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Ukraine defiant on the 4th anniversary of Russia's invasion
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President Zelensky praises the Ukrainian people as the Russia war enters its fifth year
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This is the Global News podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Janak Jalil at 16 hours GMT on Tuesday 24th February. These are our main stories. As Ukrainians mark the 4th anniversary of Russia's full scale invasion. President Zelensky delivers a defiant address. Western leaders visit Kyiv to show their support. Reports say senior figures in the US military are deeply concerned that President Trump may start another long drawn out conflict in the Middle East. And China imposes restrictions on dual use exports to 20 major Japanese companies. Also in this podcast, the first baby born in Britain to a mother who received a womb transplant from a dead donor.
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I received that phone call and we ultimately then had to go to Oxford
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and have the transplant.
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Following that, then of course embryo transfer and little boy.
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Ukrainians are marking the fourth anniversary of what has become Europe's biggest bloodiest conflict since the Second World War. In ceremonies in Kyiv and across the country, Fierce Ukrainian resistance and hundreds of billions of dollars in Western military aid have prevented Russia from achieving what it thought would be an easy victory. This is how the start of the invasion was reported on the BBC.
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Russia has launched a large scale military assault on the country. Ukrainian politicians are describing it as an invasion.
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Explosions have been heard across Ukraine in cities including the capital Kyiv in the last hour.
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Ukraine can fight and we will fight. Our parliament had the extraordinary meeting. We provided a martial law in Ukraine and we will fight for our land that is our country and we will definitely win.
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In an address to mark the anniversary, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, vowed that his country would never yield to Russian aggression.
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Today marks exactly four years since Putin took Kyiv in three days. And that really says a lot about our resistance, about how Ukraine has been fighting all this time. Behind these words are millions of our people. Behind these words are great courage, very hard work, endurance, and the long road that Ukraine has been traveling since 24th of February.
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In those four years, hundreds of thousands have been killed and millions of Ukrainians have been forced to flee their homes. A correspondent, Paul Adams, is in a place of great significance for Ukrainians.
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This is Bucha. Listeners may recall in the immediate weeks after the full scale invasion that this is where Russian troops came. They landed at an air base nearby. Four years ago today, they occupied this town for a few weeks before they were repulsed by the Ukrainian military. And in the immediate aftermath of that, the world was horrified to see if images of civilians who were shot and their bodies left in the street, and then the uncovering of a mass grave just a few weeks later. No one quite knows how many people were killed here, but it was probably many hundreds. I'm at a cemetery just on the edge of Bucha where people have come this morning to commemorate the soldiers who died both in those few weeks, but also in the four long years since. And as I walk up and down the row of headstones here, each one with the face of a soldier I can see, you know, dates from 2022 onwards. And there are many, many places like this. You are constantly struck by the sheer human cost of what has happened here over the last four years.
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And, Paul, we heard President Zelenskyy say that this is the fourth anniversary of the Russian president taking Kyiv in three days. Those words are a reminder. Ukraine, despite all its suffering, has defied the odds.
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Yes, it has. I mean, who would have thought it? There was an assessment that the country would fall, that Kyiv would fall within a matter of days. The government of President Zelenskyy would be removed and it would all be over. Of course, President Zelenskyy famously decided to stay. He said what he needed was ammunition, not a ride out of town. And the country rallied around him and around their own sense of identity. And they have continued to fight ever since. They have found it difficult, always believing that they were not getting quite enough support from their Western allies. But the fight continues. Russia's progress in the east is glacial, of course. Ukrainians right across the country continue to experience the drones and missiles that Russia fires and has fired throughout the winter in an attempt to turn the lights off and plunge people into the darkness and the cold. We're emerging from that winter now. And once again, Ukrainians feel that they have weathered the storm.
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But under President Trump, that ammunition is getting harder for Ukraine to obtain. How long can this war go on for, realistically, given the US Pressure on President Zelensky to agree to a deal with Russia?
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Well, yes, there is definitely American pressure and it seems to be driven in part by a sense that the White House wants this to be dealt with before the run up to the midterm elections later this year. But despite that, the flow of weapons remains what it has been all along. The Ukrainians will tell you it's not enough and it doesn't arrive quickly enough, but it enables the Ukrainians to stay in the fight. But this obviously all lends urgency to the peace talks which are continuing. But as one Ukrainian negotiator put it to me just a couple of days ago, what's missing is a political decision and a phone call from the Kremlin from Vladimir Putin saying enough is enough.
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Paul Adams in Bucha. Well, in a show of support, senior European leaders and officials have come to Kyiv where they praise the Ukrainians resistance. In a video call, the British prime minister, Keir Starmer promised to stand by the people of Ukraine for as long as it takes.
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Whatever Putin tells himself and his people, Russia is not winning. And we must shift the narrative into that place with greater force and determination. And just to underscore that point, in the last year Russia has suffered half a million casualties to gain and Occupy less than 1% extra of Ukrainian territory. That is not a country that four years into a conflict is winning.
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With more on the visits and pledges of support by Ukraine's Western allies, here's our correspondent in Kyiv, Abdul Jalil Abdurazulov.
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A number of European leaders have arrived and at the meeting of the Coalition of Willing, there were a number of speeches reiterating support for Ukraine and reiterating specific pledges that they made in the past. Kirsten mentioned about the importance of air defense systems for Ukraine because Ukrainian cities have been hammered by Russian airstrikes recently and mostly they were targeting energy facilities and power plants and substations. And therefore they there's a massive energy crisis now in Ukraine because of these attacks. Earlier, President Zelensky just complained that their Patriot systems simply had no missiles to intercept those Russian ballistic weapons. And therefore Ukraine says that they need more interceptors in order to stop those attacks.
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And until President Trump came to power, it was the US that was the biggest backer in Ukraine's war against Russia. So it's striking but perhaps not surprising that no senior official from the Trump administration is there in Kyiv today.
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Yes, it has been already raised by journalists asking President's press office whether anybody from the US Will be attending and what it means, the fact that they are not in Kyiv. They haven't given any specific response to this question. However, Kyiv maintains the position that US Is crucial to achieve a peace deal, and the US Is involved directly in the peace talks. And therefore, Kyiv says that without U.S. support, without the pressure that the U.S. can apply, it will be incredibly hard to achieve a peace deal.
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But there have also been complaints in Ukraine that the US Is supplying more pressure on Kyiv than it is on Moscow.
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Kyiv is now trying to be very diplomatic. They don't directly criticize President Trump or his administration because they already had a very negative experience back in the US when there was a span between President Zelenskyy and President Trump. And therefore they learned the lesson that in order to win over, they cannot antagonize President Trump by criticizing his actions and therefore by choosing carefully the words, by saying praises to President Trump for all these actions, Ukraine hopes that President Trump can be convinced to provide greater support for Ukraine.
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Abdul Jalil Abdurasulov in Kyiv. Well, on this fourth anniversary, the Kremlin spokesman, Dmitry Peskov admitted that the war in Ukraine had changed Russia and that President Putin had not reached all his goals in what he's still calling a special military operation.
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Yes, it is true, all the goals of the special military operation have not yet been achieved. Many goals have already been reached, but the main one, to ensure security for people who lived and continue to live in eastern and southern Ukraine and who were in fatal danger, has not been achieved. So, yes, not all the goals have been reached yet, which is why the special military operation continues.
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Western officials say that over the past three months, Russia has lost more troops than it's been able to recruit. And over the past four years, it's estimated that well over a million Russian troops have been killed or wounded. Staggering losses, even for a country as big as Russia. Few people there have dared to speak out publicly against the conflict after the initial protests were crushed. But over the past year, four Russian soldiers have worked in secret with the BBC for a documentary called the Zero Inside Russia's War. Here's an interview with one of them. A former Russian army medical officer called Dima Anna Foster asked him how he ended up serving in the Russian army.
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They tell me if I don't go to the army, I will go to the jail. It's very simple. In Russia, it's very simple.
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When you joined the fighting, what about the other soldiers? Did they feel the same way as you?
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But too many people, too many people like me, nobody really understands we are fighting for what? With who? For who? Just for Putin, you know, not for motherland. You didn't want to be involved in
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what's known as a meat storm. It's a word that some people might not have heard before. What did it mean to you?
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It's a song. Without artillery, without support from commanders, it's a one way assault. But 5% people can stay on the enemy territory and it's begin again, again, again. This is how Russian army take territory.
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And you didn't want to do that. And you wouldn't tell your men to do that either.
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I have medals for medicine. I have medicine experience and I was beaten officer. That's why I can't say them. I don't do this. I can do something different, but it's about me. Because just a regular soldier can't. Because if his decline the order, he will die in next few minutes. He will be shot, he will be dead.
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Commander Jaskillo, you saw in some cases when people said no, they were shot or they had their cash cards taken away from them and you thought that
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was just happening where you were, but
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it was happening more widely to other soldiers in the Russian army. How does that make you feel about the country that you were fighting for?
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What I feel about my country now, I think Russia is not Russia anymore.
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Dima, a former Russian army medical officer. For the first time here in the uk, a baby has been born to a mother who received a womb transplant from a dead donor. The boy is called Hugo. His mother, Grace Bell, says that after years of believing that she would never have a baby, Hugo was simply a miracle. It's been a long journey, if I'm honest.
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Now, 16 years ago, I was told
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that I could never carry my own baby.
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And that was final.
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There was nothing in the world that
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could have solved that. I was diagnosed with something called MRKH
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syndrome, which meant my uterus was in two halves. So all this time it was always surrogacy or adoption.
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Me and Steve actually decided to go
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down, initially down the route of surrogacy.
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We created our own embryos.
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And then I got the phone call from Boom Transfer uk and that was just such an unbelievable moment for me
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to get that phone call I got put on the waiting list because of
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course I have a deceased donor. We were waiting for a donor, a match with myself, and then one June day I received that phone call and
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we ultimately then had to go to
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Oxford and have the transplant.
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Following that, then of course embryo transfer
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and little boy womb transplants normally come from close relatives who've already had their own families or from deceased donors. More than a hundred have been performed around the world with more than 70 healthy babies born as a result. Isabel Kiaroga is a consultant surgeon and she carried out Grace Bell's womb transplant. Anna Foster asked her why, when heart and kidney transplants are so common, there are still relatively few womb transplants. So with uterus transplant is not a life saving operation, but it is a life creating operation. It was in 2014 when the first transplant was done. Uterus transplant was done successfully in Sweden. So it does take a very, very long time for, for everything to fall into place, for the research to be done safely and to translate it onto, onto the human setting. And how complex is it as a procedure? Oh, unfortunately, I remember some years ago talking to the Swedish surgeons and they said, oh, you know, it's like a, like a kidney transplant, like a living donor kidney transplant. Well, there's nothing like it. The vessels are extremely small, very, very small and, and it's very delicate and sensitive operation. So it's just about connecting the vessels. So the, the organ gets the blood supply from the rec and then my colleague, Professor Smith does the gynecological bed that joined in the vagina. Yeah. And obviously the pregnancy, when it happens, has to be monitored very carefully. What are some of the complications of a pregnancy in a donated womb? Well, yes, this is a high risk pregnancy. Of course, they are immunosuppressed. They had to manage their immune system and they could develop any infections. This is the same for any other transplant, but of course we don't, especially with this transplant, we don't want to let the baby be born naturally. So they have to be born by cesarean section. So the pregnancy has to be very, very closely managed. Surgeon Isabel Kiaroga. Still to come in this podcast, Florence prepares to restore one of its most famous landmarks, Giotto's bell tower.
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A specially designed scaffolding system will be installed and lowered section by section as work progresses, so restored areas can be revealed while the tower remains open to visitors. If you're the purchasing manager at a manufacturing plant, you know, having a trusted partner makes all the difference. That's why hands down, you count on Grainger for auto reordering. With on time restocks, your team will have the cut resistant gloves they need at the start of their shift and you can end your day knowing they've got safety well in hand. Call 1-800-GRAINGER clickgrainger.com or just stop by Grainger for the ones who get it done. Dreaming of buying your first car or a new home? Knowing your FICO score is the first step in making it real. With MyFico, you can check your score for free and it won't hurt your credit. You'll get your FICO score, full credit reports and real time alerts all in one simple app. Your credit score is more than just numbers. It's the key to building the future you've been working toward. Visit myfico.com free or download the MyFico app and take the mystery out of your FICO score. This is the story of the one as an H Vac technician, he and his digital multimeter are in high demand. So when a noisy office H Vac turns out to be a failing blower motor, he doesn't break a sweat. With Grainger's easy to use website and product information, he selects the product he needs to keep everything humming right along. Call 1-800-GRAINGER clickranger.com or just stop by Grainger for the ones who get it done. We're lost. I'm gonna pull over and ask that man for directions. Hi there. We're looking to get to the campground. Well, you're gonna take a left at the old oak tree end of this here road. No, I'm just kidding. Let me get my phone out. How are you getting a signal out here? T Mobile and US Cellular decided to merge, so the network out here is huge. We're getting the same great signal as the city and saving a boatload with all the benefits. Oh, and a five year price guarantee. Okay, here's those directions.
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President Trump called it an armada whose might would bring Iran to the negotiating table. The US Military buildup in recent weeks in the Middle east is the largest since the one that preceded the war in Iraq more than 20 years ago. But given the disastrous outcome of that war and Iran's refusal to make any real concessions to the Trump administration, senior figures in the US military are reported to be deeply concerned that Mr. Trump might start another long drawn out conflict in the Middle East. Our North America correspondent Anthony Zuerka explained to Nick Robinson what's been going on.
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General Dan Kaine, it was reported in the Washington Post recently, had expressed behind closed doors concerns about the dangers that would be presented towards American forces if they engage in a long duration military, military operation directed towards Iran. He was particularly concerned, according to this report, about American munitions running low. The munitions, the kinds of munitions, Patriot missiles, Thaad missiles that are used to defend against Iranian ballistic missiles. And therefore it could become, if this takes time, if this is drawn out, it could lower the Americans defenses against the kind of missiles that Iran might launch in retaliation. Now Donald Trump himself has come out and said this is false reporting that Dan Kaine is in favor or at least not opposed to a war with Iran, that he is providing his counsel, but that both Dan Kaine and the President don't want this to become a military operation, but they're prepared to do it if Iranians don't negotiate on their ballistic missile program and their nuclear program.
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That council appears to be focused on the sheer scale of Iran and the
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power of its military to inflict damage not just on US forces in the region, but on allies in the region too. And that was one of his concerns that he expressed according to this report, that allies would not cooperate with the United States, the Arab nations in particular would not allow the bases in the region to be used by American forces to launch strikes, that they wouldn't have overflight rights to go over the, the territory of these Arab nations, making it more difficult to strike into Iran. And you have to remember Iran is 3 times the size of Iraq. It's a much bigger nation. The targets that this is an extended campaign are spread out across the country. They're more difficult to find. The ballistic missile program, it would be difficult to, to totally, to totally demolish in a, in a short term operation similar to the one that the United States had during the Iran Israel war last year where it was a one and done strike on a nuclear facility. This, it appears by all, by all indications would be a much larger, wide ranging operation. And what does that mean for opinion within the mega movement, which we know divides between a kind of JD events view of not getting over entangled and
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someone like HR McMaster who we heard
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on the program the other day saying there was a price to doing nothing in Iran, it was better that the president acted. It's interesting. Last year, before the operation that I mentioned striking the nuclear facilities, there was pretty significant opposition, or at least opposition voiced by the MAGA movement, by key members of Donald Trump's coalition, opposition to any kind of military operation targeting Iran, to the point where there were stories and reports about divisions within the White House and within the movement writ large. This time around there doesn't seem to be the same level of opposition and it may be because after those strikes last year, it was a one and done a one off sort of operation and the concerns that they had at the time of the United States getting bogged down into another protracted military campaign in the Middle east were allayed. Now whether this is going to be the same sort of thing remains to be seen, but at least the voices within the MAGA movement don't seem to have those kind of concerns.
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Anthony Zirka but the standoff with Iran is not Mr. Trump's only worry. His tariffs were ruled illegal by the US Supreme Court last week. To try to get round this, the Trump administration has brought in a new flat rate tariff of 10% on global imports. Mr. Trump has threatened to raise the new import tax even further to 15%, but has not yet done so amid concerns that US allies would be hit the hardest.
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Theo Leggett reports Uncertainty, confusion, even chaos. These are the terms being widely used to describe the impact of the latest trade decisions from the White House. Today, the United States introduced a new 10% tariff or tax on imports from around the world that was lower than the 15% rate promised by President Trump on Saturday in response to a Supreme Court ruling that declared a significant part of his existing trade agenda illegal. Analysts said businesses would be relieved that the new rate wasn't higher, but warned that the situation could change at any time.
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Theo Leggett and for more on this story, you can go onto YouTube, search for BBC News, click on the logo, then choose Pod and Global News Podcast. There's a news story available every weekday. China has imposed restrictions on dual use exports to major Japanese industrial companies, accusing them of helping to build up Japan's military capabilities. Components which have a civilian application but can also be used in military equipment, will either be blocked from sale or require specific clearance for export. It's the latest escalation in a row that was triggered last year when the Japanese prime minister angered China by saying that Tokyo could use its military to defend Taiwan against attack. More from Stephen McDonnell in Beijing.
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Japanese industrial giants including Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Subaru and the country's space agency have had restrictions imposed on what products they can import from China. Beijing has accused Japan of remilitarising and now the country's Commerce Ministry has released a list of 20 Japanese entities which are blocked from buying so called dual use technologies from China. Details of the specific products have not been released. A further 20 Japanese entities have been put on a watch list and exporting dual use items to them requires clearance. The Chinese government said the measures would not hurt normal trade with Japan.
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Stephen McDonnell Mexico, under pressure from the Trump administration to act against drug gangs, took decisive action over the weekend, arresting the leader of the Power Jalisco New Generation cartel. In the shootout, the drug lord known as El Mencho was wounded and later died. In response, his gang unleashed a wave of violence across the country, especially in the city of Guadalajara in Jalisco State. Guadalajara is also due to be a host city for the FIFA World cup in four months time. Anne Soy asked the sports journalist John Arnold, who covers football in Mexico and the U.S. how big a concern security is in Mexico.
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I think it's a huge concern. For decades now Mexico has been waging war on organized crime, the cartels. But I think that day to day people feel that. But maybe it doesn't come into things like football that often. We've had some incidents where you have had these moments. There have been matches, not frequently, but there was an incidental match where the shooting took place outside and the match was canceled because players ran off the field and people left the stadium in fear. So it does happen, but it kind of rarely touches the the kind of football world. But yeah, I mean insecurity in Mexico, it is a problem, it is real and people are dealing with it every day.
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And the current outbreak is rather severe. Do you think this was a consideration, the security in Mexico? Was it a consideration before it was considered as a host nation?
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Yeah, I definitely think that FIFA, when they were going through the host nation process, thought about kind of the security situation in Mexico. You know, I would say that all three of the host nations kind of bring their own quirks and concern. Canada may be less so, but obviously the recent immigration enforcement push in the United States and the violence that ICE has caused has been a concern for many people, especially for an event that's supposed to welcome the world. And in Mexico, I think that security was always kind of the big question mark. Infrastructure was up there, too. When I've been traveling in the Mexican host cities, a lot of people talked to me about the traffic that's going to be caused. A lack of public transportation systems, not completely, but lack of public transportation to the stadium or from the airport to the main city, main part of the city, for example. But I definitely think that FIFA probably, if you, you know, if you gave officials truth, Sarah, their biggest concern about Mexico hosting a men's World cup for the third time, a record, their biggest issue was the security and the concern. And I think that you see why, with something like the incident that we're seeing now, although there's a very clear kind of cause and effect, right, The Mexican government kills El Mencho, captures and kills the leader of this very powerful organized crime group, the cartel New Generation Jalisco. And the effect is that cartel responds with a show of force. So I think the Mexican government also knew that. And kind of considering the timing of all this around the World cup, as silly and as frivolous as it might sound, I think it is a consideration.
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How so? Because, you know, these images over the last 48 hours have been broadcast across the world. It just sends a strong message. And it's not a mess. A very positive message across the world ahead of the World Cup.
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No, not at all. And there are actually pretty credible reports from Mexican reporters who cover organized crime in the cartels in 2025 that Mexican officials actually had requested with their US partners that maybe El Mencho be left alone until after the 2026 World cup to avoid a scene like this. These scenes really recall something that happened in 2019 in Culiacan, which is in Sinaloa, where the Sinaloa cartel OPER operates. The culiacanazo, it's called kind of the battle for Culiacan, that city when the Mexican authorities tried to capture El Chapo, the famous cartel leader's son. But the response was quite similar to what we're seeing now. And Mexican officials seem to want to avoid those scenes precisely for the reason you're mentioning, the reputation. People's image of Mexico becomes cars on fire in the street and pharmacies and supermarkets being burned to the ground. We don't really know how long this will last. The reports today are that it is a kind of tense calm, but you can't wait for a football match for this to be, you know, carried out, especially one that's still months and months away.
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Sports journalist John Arnold. We end the podcast in Italy, where the city of Florence is preparing to restore one of its most famous landmarks, Giotto's bell tower, which sits beside the city's cathedral in what will be the first full restoration of the monument in more than six centuries. The tower will stay open to visitors while work is carried out. Carla Conti reports.
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In the heart of Florence's historic center, beside the majestic cathedral of Santa Maria del Fiore, stands Giotto's bell tower, a Gothic landmark faced in white, green and red marble, with delicate sculpted panels and a panoramic terrace above the city's terracotta rooftops. It is one of Florence's most recognizable monuments. The construction of the tower in 1334 was the task of Giotto, the Florentine painter and architect often credited as a pioneer of Italian Renaissance art. He died just a few years later with only the base completed. His successors, including Andrea Pisano and Francesco Talenti, finished the tower in 1359. Now, for the first time in its history, the bell tower is undergoing a full restoration. The project is expected to cost around 7 million euros, or over a million dollars, and will tackle cracks, fractures and deteriorating marble across the exterior surface. From March, a specially designed scaffolding system will be installed and lowered section by section as work progresses so restored areas can be revealed while the tower remains open to visitors. The restoration is part of a wider plan to preserve the city's historical sites and build new housing in an effort to address the impact of over tourism.
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Carla Conti and that's all from us for now. If you want to get in touch, you can always email us@globalpodcastbc.co.uk and don't forget our sister podcast, the Global Story, which goes in depth and beyond. The headlines on One Big Story, is also available wherever you get your podcasts. This edition of the Global News Podcast was mixed by Chris Ablaqua. The producers were Ariane Kochi and Oliver Burlau. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Jeanette Jalil. Until next time. Goodbye.
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