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James Waterhouse
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Celia Hatton
This is the Global News podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Celia Hatton and it's 16 hours GMT on Wednesday the 4th of March. These are our main stories. The United States has sunk an Iranian warship off the coast of Sri Lanka. Iran has carried out further attacks on several countries as Israel and the US continue to strike Iranian targets. Funeral ceremonies for Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei that were due to begin today have been postponed. Also in this podcast we hear from Iranians who fled across the border to Turkey to escape the war.
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Behrong Tajdin
There is a lot of chaos in the city, a lot of missiles and attacks.
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Celia Hatton
We hear something, some collisions outside of the city.
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Behrong Tajdin
Sleeping in fear and waking up in stress.
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Celia Hatton
We're focusing on the US Israel war with Iran. In this podcast we'll have the latest on Iranian drone and missile attacks across the Gulf region. They're happening as American and Israeli airstrikes on Iran continue. We'll also be hearing from BBC Persian about the situation on the ground in Tehran. But first, the U.S. defense Secretary Pete Hegseth says a torpedo fired by a US submarine has sunk an Iranian warship in the Indian Ocean.
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In fact, yesterday in the Indian Ocean. And we'll play it on the screen there. An American submarine sunk an Iranian warship that thought it was safe in international waters. Instead, it was sunk by a torpedo. Quiet death. The first sinking of an enemy ship by a torpedo since World War II. Like in that war Back when we were still the War Department. We are fighting to win.
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Celia Hatton
BBC Verify has clarified that claim. And it's not the first sinking of an enemy ship by torpedo since World War II. The British sank an Argentinian ship in 1982, and an Indian frigate was torpedoed by a Pakistan submarine in 1971. However, if confirmed, it is the first time since 1945 that an American submarine has done this. Pete Hegseth did not name the ship during a briefing, but earlier, the Sri Lankan Navy picked up a distress call from the Iris Dana. Lucy Hawkins has been speaking to our South Asia correspondent in Mumbai, Yogata lemaye.
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Behrong Tajdin
I actually spoke to the Sri Lankan Navy spokesman a short while back and he at that time had refused to comment. He'd in fact rejected reports that it was a submarine attack on this particular ship and had said that the cause of the sinking was still under investigation. What they had said is that early this morning, the Sri Lankan Navy had received a distress call. It came from roughly just over 40 miles off the coast of Sri Lanka, off the southwestern coast of Sri Lanka, near the city of Gaul. When they responded to this particular call, they say that what the first responders saw was patches of oil floating on the water as well as some life rafts, after which they started search and rescue operations. They said that at the time, 32 people had been rescued, brought to a hospital in the city of Gaul. And when they spoke with those people, that's when they confirmed that they were on board the Iranian ship Iris Dana. They said that the search and rescue operation is still ongoing. They were hoping to find more survivors. They've seen the documentation of this particular ship, and from that documentation, they say 180 people were believed to be on board. Of course, the exact number can only be confirmed by other people who were on board this ship. And what do we know about the location of what this happened, Yegita? Was it in Sri Lankan waters or international waters? So the Sri Lankan Navy spokesman said that this, it didn't happen in their waters, but it was in their search and rescue nation and as a maritime nation, they said this is our international obligation. That's why we've launched this search and rescue operation and we will continue going on with it. Now, as far as this ship is concerned, there is an earlier post from the Indian Navy, a post from mid February, which talks about this ship being a part of an international fleet review that was hosted by India between the 15th and 25th of February. Dozens of countries were participating in this international fleet review. The US and the UK included, there is a specific post about Iris Dana. We have since contacted the spokesperson of the Indian Navy and so far there has been no comment from them to confirm whether this was a ship participating in that event. We've also been trying to find out more information about the ship itself. And from Iran's Tasnim news agency from earlier reported articles, this ship is described as a warship that carries on board lots of weapons, including anti ship missiles and torpedoes as well. So that is what we know as of now. And do you have anything more than what we've just been getting here in London, Yegeta, about the number of people killed or any of the figures?
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Celia Hatton
I mean there's some suggestion now from
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Behrong Tajdin
Sri lankan media that 80 people have been killed. So you know at the time that when I spoke to the Navy spokesman, he said that they have been able to recover some dead bodies. He was refusing to comment on the exact number at that point. We have had a number now from the secretary of the Defense Ministry saying that they have recovered about 80 bodies. I suspect that number will change. Of course at the moment we don't know how many people exactly were on board that ship as well, although the documentation says 180. Search and Rescue operations will continue as far as we are told by Sri Lanka's military. I mean Sri Lanka's position as far as this war is concerned is that it is in favor of the de escalation of the war. It is not in favor of the war. It has said that it will pay tribute and pay condolences to all lives lost in this war, including those lost on the Iranian side as well. So as far as the war is concerned, it has placed itself at the center, refusing to kind of side with any particular party.
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Celia Hatton
Yoga to Lamaya in Mumbai. Let's move on now to hostilities in Lebanon. Israeli forces are stepping up their attacks against the Iranian backed group Hezbollah. We're going to hear from both sides of the border. First, John Donnison, who's in northern Israel.
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John Donnison
We've come up to the small Israeli town of Matula. It's about as far north as you can get. You can see the border wall just a few hundred meters away. And in fact if you look just in the distance you can see the ruins of a Lebanese village which was destroyed in the war between Hezbollah and Israel what, 18 months ago. Now Hezbollah, the Shia militia group based in Lebanon, is religiously, financially and ideologically tied to Iran. And given those ties it was almost inevitable that, that they were going to get involved in this conflict, it started with Hezbollah firing missiles towards Israeli cities. Israel responded with airstrikes on Beirut and in the south. And now they've gone in on the ground to try and push Hezbollah back. We've heard the sound of explosions in the distance. Could have been airstrikes, could have been tank shelling just as we arrived here this morning. Now, in the past, Hezbollah was able to launch attacks on towns like Metula from just a few hundred meters away. Israel is determined that will not happen again. And in the past, when the war in Gaza started, these villages in Israel, they had to be evacuated. Some 60,000 people living in the north of Israel had to leave their homes for well over a year. And the Israelis are determined that that will not happen again.
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Celia Hatton
That was John Donison in northern Israel. Now to the Lebanese capital, Beirut, where our correspondent Wira Davies has been to the site of one Israeli attack.
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Weira Davies
This is the scene of one of the latest Israeli airstrikes. It's a hotel called the Comfort Hotel, but it was also housing several families. This isn't an attack in the southern suburbs of Beirut. That's areas that are considered to be Hezbollah strongholds. This is an eastern suburb called Hasmiyeh. What has happened here, according to the owner, is that at about 4 o' clock in the morning, missiles came through the roof and exploded, as we can see, on about the first and second floors of this hotel. The owner and her family say they were so worried about the prospect of an attack that they were staying elsewhere with relatives when this happened. But a young woman who lives in a hotel, the receptionist was on the first floor. She is very, very badly injured, according to the owner, and she's being treated at a nearby hospital. In the last hour, we've heard the sound of another airstrike in the southern suburbs, and Israel seems to be expanding its military operations. Remember last night as well that four people were reportedly killed in Israeli airstrikes way over in the Beqar Valley. So this Israeli military operation, whether it's against Hezbollah, whether it's against other militant organizations, isn't just confined to Beirut and the southern border areas. Much more of the country of the capital now seems to being attacked by Israel. We're not sure what the target was here, whether a Hezbollah operative had fled from other parts and they were staying here with their family. But what is clear, according to the owner here, and it's just her opinion, is that she blames Hezbollah as much as she blames Israel for what is happening now. She blames Hezbollah for bringing the war to Lebanon. Hezbollah and Israel, in the eyes and views of many Lebanese, share equal blame for what is happening now. But one thing is clear. There seems to be no immediate end to this conflict. Indeed, the Israeli military operation appears to be expanding.
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Celia Hatton
Weira Davies in Beirut. Iranian missile and drone attacks have been continuing across the Gulf region, with Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates reporting the use of air defenses. Our correspondent Barbara Plett Asher is in Qatar and gave us this update.
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Barbara Plett Asher
One of the most recent strikes was on again, an oil refining facility in Saudi Arabia which had been hit before. It was a drone attack. So that's one of the more recent significant strikes. There was also a hit on the Al Udeid military base here in Qatar overnight. This is the biggest US Military base in the region. And the Qatari said two missiles came in, they shot one down, but one of them struck the base and there was no casualties. But we didn't get any more information about that. There was also a strike on the US Consulate in Dubai that was a drone and it hit the parking lot, it seems, and burst into flames. So there's been a fire there, but again, no casualties. And we have a list given recently from the various countries in the region about what they've been dealing with today. The United Arab Emirates says It has intercepted three ballistic missiles today, so far, Wednesday, and 129 drones, which means that the Iranians are really firing a lot of drones at the United Arab Emirates. The Qataris also said they'd intercepted six drones, and the Kuwaitis said they had intercepted a wave of projectiles in their airspace. So missiles and drones keep coming.
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Celia Hatton
Okay, so a whole spread of military activity. Are you seeing a hardening of attitudes against Iran in the region?
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Barbara Plett Asher
Well, certainly the Arab countries are very angry and concerned because of the regular onslaught of missiles and drones, of course, from a security point of view, but also because economic infrastructure has begun to be targeted. It's not just the US Military bases, but you have civilian infrastructure as well as energy infrastructure, the oil refinery, which has now been hit twice in Saudi Arabia. There were also liquid natural gas plants hit here in Qatar a couple of days ago, production stopping. So they're seeing the impact not just on security, which is big, but also on the economy. And it's believed that Iran's strategy is exactly that, to disrupt the regional economy, to sow chaos so that the Arab governments begin to put more pressure on the US to stop the airstrikes.
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Celia Hatton
Barbara Pled Asher in Doha. Still to come in this podcast, if
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James Waterhouse
the Iranian state apparatus was to collapse further then that may well force people's hands.
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Celia Hatton
We hear from our correspondent close to Turkey's border with Iran.
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Celia Hatton
This is the Global News podcast turning to the situation inside Iran. The Iranian Red Crescent says nearly 800 people have been killed in the offensive, although one human rights organization is putting that number at more than a thousand. Let's get some more human stories now. We want to bring you a clearer picture of how Iran's population are coping with the conflict. These people Spoke after crossing into neighboring Turkey.
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Behrong Tajdin
I'm coming from Tehran and there is a lot of chaos in the city, a lot of missiles and attacks from US and Israel. I'm not into the politics, but I know it's a lot of, it brings just a lot of sadness to people.
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Celia Hatton
We hear something, some pollutions outside of the city but not inside of the city. Sleeping in fear and waking up in stress. So situation is a little bit awful. I got more from Behrong Tajdin from BBC Persian.
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Behrong Tajdin
It's the fifth day of Internet blackout, which means getting accurate up to date information directly from people is extremely difficult. It's not impossible because some people have access to the Internet somehow through Starlink or other means. What we are hearing is that for example the capital Tehran, which is a very busy city of over 10 million people, is very, very quiet and almost deserted at night especially. Most shops are closed or many shops are closed, markets are closed and there are just few places that you can get essentials. And people are stockpiling at home which is a legacy of Iran, Iraq war back in the 1980s. I clearly remember those days, you know, and you hear the stories and yeah, there is a sense of fear amongst many people because when you hear that 1097 civilians have been killed including 181 children in just over four days. This is not a pinpoint operation, you know, there are civilians being killed and people are rightly scared because when a police station is attacked, sometimes its neighbor to a block of flats, you know, and there's inevitably some civilian casualties as we have seen and it's been confirmed by human rights activists in the U.S.
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Celia Hatton
i mean we're seeing video images of destruction in Tehran. Some of those images available on the BBC news website. What do you make of it when you see those images?
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Behrong Tajdin
I try not to, you know, because we have to report on what's happening because every time the Israel military or the American military attack a target, they have a reason for that. But again, for example, when you target police stations, yes, those police stations have been used as a way of suppressing protests and you know, taking people there. But if you also catch a threat thief, you will need a police station to take them there. So it's a mixed picture.
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Celia Hatton
We understand, Barang, that funeral ceremonies for the Supreme Leader were due to start today, but they've been postponed. Do we know why?
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Behrong Tajdin
They say because of logistics and preparations. Because again, if you assume just 10% of the Iranian population completely support the regime, that's 9 million people and half of Them at least would want to attend this ceremony. And the state, the Islamic Republic, wants everyone to see that. So many people are pouring in, completely ignoring the fact that those who don't want to go there. So that's the reason why this has been postponed for now, because it's going to be huge logistic operation.
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Celia Hatton
Barang Tajdin. And we have more from BBC Persian on our YouTube channel. Search for BBC News on YouTube and you'll find Global News Podcast in the podcast section. There's a new story available every weekday. A few minutes ago, we heard the voices of Iranians who just left the country and crossed into Turkey. And there are concerns that if the war continues, much larger numbers of people might flee abroad. Correspondent James Waterhouse is in the Turkish city of Van. So what's he been seeing there?
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James Waterhouse
It's not as simple as those being pro regime and staying and those being anti regime in Iran and leaving, voicing their support for this extraordinary bombing campaign by Israel and the US as you can imagine, it's a bit more nuanced. Yes, you have those who did move back to Iran to take part in those demonstrations in the new year, who described in vivid detail, seeing how those protests were shut down so brutally by the security services and how they quietly held hope for this regime to bring some kind of meaningful change. We met others who were returning to Iran out of concern for their families. And many talk about the fear they're experiencing with those particular airstrikes. And so I think at the moment the border is open. Van, where I am in eastern Turkey, is popular among Iranians. And there are some societal pressures here in terms of how the Iranians can integrate here, how easy it is to get jobs. And of course, now you have that extra security dimension where you have a aerial bombardments happening across the border, but also reports of the US Looking to arm Kurdish militia groups as well. So there is a lot going on. And of course, you look for whatever symptom you can when it's so hard to get access to Iran itself.
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Celia Hatton
You mentioned that the border is open for now where you are. I mean, are there wider concerns that there might be a large number of Iranians trying to cross out of Iran if the war grinds on?
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James Waterhouse
It's not a concern you detect. It seems the sort of Turkish authorities are controlling things for now and the numbers are manageable. And of course, Iran, like Turkey, is a big country, so it seems there are several places of refuge for people to go to inside Iran. And of course, Turkey is comparatively more expensive to Base yourself in. However, we know that can change. If the Iranian state apparatus was to collapse further and you have, you know, we're hearing people describe severe limitations on how much food they can buy. There are stockpiling in shops. There is, there are depleted stocks. If that was to continue, then that may well force people's hands. But at the moment, it does seem to be manageable, which lends itself to the broader question as to the efficacy of this bombing campaign. And it seems among the, you know, certainly from the White House, the impression you get is less and less about repression against the Iranian people and even, you know, a seismic political shift and seemingly more about, if you look at the latest lines this morning about, you know, depleting missile capabilities, air defenses, and of course, the nuclear program in Iran.
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Celia Hatton
James, what is Turkey's stance on this war?
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James Waterhouse
Turkey stance at the moment is fairly indifferent. It is looking in, I think, with interest. There are tension here, as I mentioned, with Kurdish militias on the border. They certainly have been more hostile towards Israel in recent years in terms of the political rhetoric you hear. And so I think if you look at the destabilizing effect, and this is me trying to read between the lines here, President Erdogan, I don't think, is particularly enthusiastic about this military operation is going on simply because of the, of the destabilizing effect it is clearly having on the broader region. So that kind of governmental messaging has not been as obvious as you might imagine. And, you know, you expect that to change if things were to upscale in any kind of way.
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Celia Hatton
James Waterhouse in eastern Turkey. In another development, Turkey said NATO air defenses had destroyed an Iranian ballistic missile which was heading towards Turkish airspace. The Defense Ministry in Ankara warned all parties to refrain from taking any steps that could cause the conflict to spread further. Expanding our focus a bit, there's a large Kurdish population that spans across borders from western Iran and into Iraq, Syria and Turkey. As James just mentioned, a sizable number of those Kurds are hostile to the Iranian regime, and that's something the Americans are well aware of. President Trump spoke to Kurdish leaders in Iraq by phone this week. And today there are reports that he suggested that Kurdish forces launch an insurgency to help topple Tehran's government. JR Gol from BBC Persian is following developments from Tel Aviv.
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JR Gol
What's happening, it seems to me, in the Kurdish region, which historically have grievances with the Islamic Republic of Iran and that region have almost 47 years of armed struggle experience against Islamic Revolutionary Guards and also have witnessed numerous uprising. The one, the latest one was in 2022 when Mahsajina Amini, the Kurdish woman, was killed in Tehran and then there was a mass uprising and then it spread across the country. I think at this point of time, it seems to me all the elements there, it seems to me the Kurdish fighters in the mountain are getting ready to go inside the country. In the same time, I think the American and also the Israelis are hoping by bombarding the police station Revol intelligence service, I think they are hoping to pave the way for the Kurdish people there to rise up in the same time the Kurdish fighters who are waiting and armed in the mountain to go down and enter the region.
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Celia Hatton
Is that because also there are ties still between Kurdish groups in that region and the Americans?
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JR Gol
I think so. I think historically the Kurds have been in the region, have been in contact with the U.S. don't forget during the war against ISIS in Syria, that was the Kurds in Syria who led the ground troop. They were the boots on the ground. And obviously the air power of the US lit coalition in fact resulted in the defeat of ISIS. And I think also in the war in 2003 when the US attacked Iraq, Saddam Hussein, the Kurds had a pivotal role. I think this time around also the Kurds in that region because of their experience, the networks they have inside Iran, the cells they have inside that region, I think the US and the Israelis definitely as a tool or as an asset to use them to topple the regime or at least by capturing western Iran, which many, I would say almost 50% of Iranian missile launcher are based in those Kurdish city across the border because in terms of distance they are closer to Israel.
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Celia Hatton
And there's some evidence of Iranian drone strikes hitting that region as well.
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JR Gol
What I'm hearing from inside that region, Revolutionary Guards have deployed more troops to the border area and having using drones and missiles are attacking US bases there. Also in the past 24 hours they have intensified their attacks on the bases and the headquarter of Iranian Kurdish oppositions based in Iraqi Kurdistan.
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Celia Hatton
BBC Persian's GR goal. And that's all from us for now. If you want to get in touch, you can email us@globalpodcastbc.co.uk you can also find us on X@ BBC World Service. Use the hashtag Global Newspod. And don't forget our sister podcast, the Global Story, which goes in depth and beyond the headlines on one big story. This edition of the Global News Podcast was mixed by Nick Randall and the producer was Rebecca Wood. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Celia Hatton. Until next time.
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Behrong Tajdin
Goodbye.
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