Zelensky ready to join summit with Trump and Putin if invited

Summary

Global News Podcast – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Zelensky Ready to Join Summit With Trump and Putin if Invited
Date: October 20, 2025
Host: Nick Miles, BBC World Service

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Episode Overview

This episode features fast-moving international events, with a primary focus on the ongoing Ukraine conflict and US diplomatic moves involving Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Volodymyr Zelensky. Other key stories include developments in Gaza, a breakthrough in vision-restoring technology in the UK, Myanmar’s crackdown on scam centers, record-high gold prices and their effects in India, progress battling Ebola in the DRC, and a look at Russian cybercrime groups.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ukraine Conflict: Diplomacy and Tensions

• Trump’s Proposed 'Peace' Solution (02:11–03:02)

  • Donald Trump publicly suggests that the best way to resolve the war is by freezing the battle lines—essentially, leaving Russian-occupied areas as they are.
  • Trump reportedly delivered a similar message directly to Zelensky at their recent White House meeting.

  “What they should do is just stop at the lines where they are—the battle lines... Stop killing people and be done.”
  – Donald Trump paraphrased by John Sudworth (02:45–03:02)

• Zelensky’s Response and Reluctance (03:12–05:27)

  • John Sudworth, BBC Kyiv Correspondent, highlights the strain during the Trump–Zelensky meeting, noting “clear differences of opinion” on the Donbass proposal.
  • Zelensky hints at US reluctance to provide Tomahawk missiles due to fears of Russian escalation.
  • The idea of holding the summit in Hungary is viewed with skepticism by Kyiv, due to Hungary's proximity to Russian interests.
  • Despite misgivings, Zelensky signals he’s willing to attend such a summit: “He’d go to Budapest if that’s what it takes. But you get a feeling that he is saying that through gritted teeth.” (04:49–05:27)
  • European allies are wary of being sidelined in these negotiations.

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2. Ceasefire in Gaza: Fragility and Complex Diplomacy

• Update from the Front Lines (05:27–07:35)

  • Israeli military strikes in response to alleged Hamas fire, despite an ongoing ceasefire.
  • Shosh Bedrossian, Israeli Govt Spox:

    “If there is a threat to our soldiers inside... they are allowed to, of course, protect themselves.” (06:11–06:16)

• Human Toll

  • Ahmed Kamal Janina, a professor in Gaza, describes continuing loss and trauma:

    “It feels that death has become part of our daily routine and life, but we never accept it... More than 97 people have been killed since the ceasefire. I mean, what, what type of ceasefire is this?” (06:22–07:01)

• Analysis of Ceasefire's Weaknesses (07:35–10:12)

  • Jeremy Bowen, BBC International Editor:
    • Ceasefires require parallel political processes.
    • The Trump plan “lacks a great deal of detail about where it goes... that is going to be a weakness.”
    • International stabilization efforts remain unclear and months away.
    • Bowen raises the key dilemma: Both Israel and Hamas must assess whether they gain more from peace or ongoing conflict.

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3. Medical Breakthrough: Restoring Sight to the Blind

• UK Patients Regain Sight (10:11–14:11)

  • Surgeons at London’s Moorfields Eye Hospital use a microchip implant to enable blind patients to read again.

  • Sheila Irvine, blind for 30 years, reads again for the first time:

    “I could have cried when I looked because I haven’t seen letters for so long... it was overwhelming.”
    – Sheila Irvine, patient (11:41–11:58)

  • Out of 32 implant recipients, 27 regained meaningful central vision.

  • Mahi Mukit, consultant surgeon:

    “This is the first treatment demonstrated to give patients meaningful vision... I think what you’ll find is, it is life-changing.” (13:11–13:27)

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4. Myanmar Scam Compound Raid: More Optics than Impact

• Military Seizes KK Park (17:10–19:57)

  • The junta announces a raid on KK Park, a notorious scam/trafficking center.

  • Jonathan Head, BBC Bangkok:

    • The “operation” serves to please China, their biggest supporter.
    • Raids only net a fraction of operatives, and scam centers continue to function as a vital economic sector.

    “They want to look good to China, look good to the rest of the world... But I suspect [the scam centers] will survive.” (19:32–19:57)

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5. Gold Prices Soar: India Reacts During Diwali

• Record Highs Influence Tradition & Markets (19:57–23:53)
  • Gold hits $4,300/oz, straining Indian buyers during traditional wedding/festival shopping season.
  • Shoppers cut back or shift to platinum and silver; jewelers offer creative resale/exchange deals.
  • Shopper:

    “Earlier I was buying... more than 10, 15 grams. This time I purchased for platinum, which is comparatively cheaper.” (21:25–21:33)

  • Surge in “digital gold” (gold ETFs) as an alternative investment.
  • Gold imports threaten to widen India’s trade deficit and fuel inflation.

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6. Ebola in DRC: Fast, Effective Response but High Fatality

• Containment Success Story (23:53–28:28)
  • Last Ebola patient discharged in Bulape.
  • Dr. Patrick Otim, WHO:

    “Strong leadership from the Ministry of Health... community collaboration... resources mobilized... all this helped us get to the point where we are now.” (24:35–26:34)

  • 64% case fatality rate, attributed to late detection, weak local capacity, and hesitation among patients.

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7. Cybercrime Spotlight: Russian ‘Evil Corp’ Syndicate

• New BBC Podcast Explores Russian Hackers (28:28–31:40)
  • Cyber Hack: Evil Core investigates the family-run Russian gang behind major cyberattacks.
  • Joe Tidy, BBC Cyber Correspondent:

    “They showed a real playboy lifestyle in Moscow with Lamborghinis and pet lions... only affordable if you are at the top of a very large cybercrime syndicate.” (30:20–30:52)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Donbass “peace”:

  “They should stop right now at the battle lines, go home, stop killing people and be done.”
  – Donald Trump via John Sudworth (02:56–03:02)

• Zelensky’s Summit Invitation:

  “He’d go to Budapest if that’s what it takes. But you get a feeling that he is saying that through gritted teeth.”
  – John Sudworth (04:49–05:27)

• Gaza Ceasefire:

  “What type of peace are politicians talking about when you have more than 97 people being killed and more than 290 people are injured?... It is fragile.”
  – Ahmed Kamal Janina (06:45–07:01)

• UK Vision Surgery Patient:

  “I could have cried when I looked because I haven’t seen letters for so long... it was overwhelming.”
  – Sheila Irvine (11:45–11:58)

• Myanmar Scam Raids:

  “I suspect [the scam centers] will survive.”
  – Jonathan Head (19:57)

• On Russian Cybercrime:

  “What you’ve got here is a kind of cybercrime gang that is also a family-run business.”
  – Joe Tidy (31:35–31:40)

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Key Timestamps

• Ukraine–Trump–Putin diplomacy: 02:11–05:27
• Gaza ceasefire update & analysis: 05:27–10:12
• Vision-chip medical breakthrough: 10:11–14:11
• Myanmar scam centers: 17:10–19:57
• India gold market reactions: 19:57–23:53
• Ebola in DRC & response: 23:53–28:28
• Russian cybercrime syndicate: 28:28–31:40

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Tone & Language

• The episode maintains the BBC’s factual, analytical, and globally aware tone, frequently using direct statements from correspondents, interviewees, and affected individuals.
• Moments of hope (medical breakthroughs, Ebola containment) are balanced with deep concern and at times skepticism (Ukraine negotiations, Gaza ceasefire, scam center raids, cybercrime impunity).

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Conclusion

This episode offers listeners a panoramic view of global affairs, connecting high-level diplomacy and geopolitics with stories of personal resilience and technological progress. The Ukraine war and shifting US postures dominate the episode, but the inclusion of insights into humanitarian crises, technological hope, and organized crime presents a nuanced, up-to-the-minute global picture that is both urgent and multidimensional.

Transcript

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[Divina Gupta]

My budget this time was low. Earlier I was buying, you know, gold, more than 10, 15 grams. This time I purchased for platinum, which is comparatively cheaper.

[Nick Miles]

But first, last week Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelenskyy appeared to come back from his third visit to the White House this year empty handed. No Tomahawk missiles were forthcoming from Donald Trump, but there was no indication that Mr. Trump had suggested ways of ending the conflict that were totally unacceptable to Kyiv. Now, though, speaking to reporters on Air Force One, Donald Trump has said the best way to resolve the war would be to cut up the country's Donbass region in the West. As things are now, that would leave most of it under Russian control.

[John Sudworth]

What they should do is just stop at the Lines where they are the battle lines.

[Nick Miles]

You have a battle line right now.

[John Sudworth]

The rest is very tough to negotiate. If you're going to say you take this, we take that.

[Nick Miles]

You know, there's so many different permutations.

[John Sudworth]

So what I say is they should stop right now at the battle lines, go home, stop killing people, and be done.

[Nick Miles]

We're also learning that Mr. Trump said a similar thing directly to Mr. Zelensky at their meeting last week. John Sudworth is our correspondent in Kyiv.

[John Sudworth]

Some of the reporting in some of the international coverage suggests that, in fact, that meeting was even more strained and testy than previously understood. Reports of raised voices. For example, we've now been given President Zelenskyy's first sort of full readout of how he felt it went since arriving back here in Kyiv. He's a little more guarded. Obviously, he needs to be careful about being seen to be too critical of Washington. But there's no doubt that from his remarks, there were clear differences of opinion on the Donbass suggestion. I think when you look into the words Mr. Zelenskyy is using, that he is concerned that the US side were pushing some of Russia's talking points over their sort of claims of sovereignty over the Donbas. A clear difference of opinion about the choice of Hungary for this upcoming summit that Donald Trump is now planning with Vladimir Putin. Mr. Zelenskyy believes Hungary is far too close to the Russian position. And on that question of Tomahawks, Nick, Mr. Zelenskyy said that he felt that the US President had decided not to grant them because he was worried about escalation. You know, this idea of retaliation apparently being raised in that Trump Putin phone call that took place while the Ukrainian delegation was on its way to the US Mr. Zelensky making very clear that he believes those threats from Russia should be read not as a sign of strength, but as a sign of weakness.

[Nick Miles]

But we also heard from Mr. Zelensky just a while back that he is prepared to go to any meeting at which Donald Trump and President Putin may be in Hungary.

[John Sudworth]

He said that all along, and he said it again. He'd go to Budapest if that's what it takes. But you get a feeling that he is saying that through gritted teeth. He clearly does not think that's an appropriate venue. There are concerns in Europe that Ukraine's European allies may even be excluded from that meeting. So a lot still to be discussed ahead of it. You know, the real feeling is, I think that Ukraine is having to recalibrate. They really did feel just A few days ago, you know, just a few hours before that White House meeting that things were beginning to go their way. You know, what a difference a short transatlantic flight makes.

[Nick Miles]

John Sudworth, Donald Trump's special envoy Steve Witkoff and his son in law Jared Kushner are in Israel at the moment as the fragile ceasefire in Gaza faces its biggest challenge yet. On Sunday, Israel's military said it carried out a wave of strikes in southern Gaza. This is what the Israeli government spokeswoman Shosh Bedrossian said about those attacks.

[Fergus Walsh]

The IDF announced terrorists fired an anti.

[Nick Miles]

Tank missile and gunfire towards our troops operating in the area of Rafah to dismantle terrorist infrastructure, all in accordance with the ceasefire agreement. Now, in response, the IDF began striking.

[Fergus Walsh]

In the area to eliminate the threat.

[Nick Miles]

In terms of any airstrikes inside of the Gaza Strip.

[Fergus Walsh]

We are currently in a ceasefire, like.

[Nick Miles]

We continue to say, but if there is a threat to our soldiers inside.

[Fergus Walsh]

Of the Gaza Strip, they are allowed to, of course, protect themselves and do what is needed to do.

[Nick Miles]

Hamas denied knowledge of the incident in Rafah and accused Israel of fabricating pretexts to resume the war. Ahmed Kamal Janina is a professor at Al Aqsa University in Gaza City in the north of the strip. The since the war began, 43 members of his extended family have been killed. He told the BBC how he's coping with the loss and the prospect of the ceasefire crumbling. It is difficult to process it and honestly, I mean, it feels that death has become part of our daily routine and life, but we never accept it. I mean, we just continue living with the memories of those loved ones and for the hope that each tragedy will be the last. But when you have up to last night, I was reading the News. More than 97 people have been killed since the ceasefire. I mean, what, what type of ceasefire is this? I mean, it is fragile. And what type of peace politicians are talking about when you have more than 97 people being killed and more than 290 people are injured. Last 24 hours were extremely stressful. Our international editor Jeremy Bowen told my colleague Nick Robinson what he makes of the current status of the ceasefire.

[Jeremy Bowen]

I've been looking and thinking a little bit about, you know, based on other wars that I may have seen in different times over the years, what makes a ceasefire work. And one thing that I think people, you know, if you look at what diplomats have said about that sort of thing, is that as well as actually saying, all right, now we stop shooting at each other, there has to be a political process going in Parallel. So there's forward movement in all of this. But, you know, it's been clear from the very outset, outset that the Trump plan, far from being the best thing in three millennia in the region, which is what he said, because it lacks a great deal of detail about where it goes on after this first phase of the ceasefire itself, that is going to be a weakness because if you don't have that forward movement, then things like this happen. And the thing, Nick, about ceasefires is they never start smoothly. There are always violations. And to get through those violations, to stop the whole thing falling apart, you need that, that, that structure around it.

[Nick Miles]

A structure which would involve Arab nations.

[John Sudworth]

Coming in to police and inverted commas.

[Nick Miles]

Which they may, they may be a bit wary of doing now.

[Jeremy Bowen]

Well, I don't think they want to send their troops into an active war zone. I mean, that's the whole thing. Peacekeeping isn't peace enforcement. And one thing that a ceasefire does require is an effective monitoring mechanism. And the Americans have sent over a headquarters group that set itself up actually in Israel, but in the absence of having any kind of boots on the ground there, and there's meant to be this international stabilization force, but it's not even clear which nations are going to contribute troops and how many and when they might get there. So that frankly, at best is probably even months away. So what happens in the, in the interim? Well, what's happened is that Hamas have come out, they have shown that they are back, they never went away, they survived. And I think another thing about what makes a ceasefire work or not is whether or not the two, the parties involved, the belligerents, think that they can get more from a ceasefire or from continuing the war. And it could be that after two years of Israel saying they're going to wipe Hamas off the face of the planet, and now they're actually able to put their fighters on the streets again, while at the same time there is pressure, not least inside the Israeli cabinet, saying, wait a minute, what on earth are we doing? The war isn't finished, we need to finish the job here. That's one of the big conundrue that the Witkoff Kushner team are going to have to try and sort out when they arrive.

[Nick Miles]

Jeremy Bowen Israel has now begun putting physical markers along the yellow line, which marks the new position Israeli forces agreed to withdraw to under this ceasefire agreement. This comes after the IDF opened fire on Gazans who crossed the line in a medical breakthrough. Doctors have been able to help some blind patients see again thanks to a microchip implanted at the back of the eye. The results of an international trial published in the New England Journal of Medicine have been described as astounding by a surgeon at London Moorfields Eye Hospital who gave the implant to five patients. Our medical editor, Fergus Walsh, has spoken exclusively to one of the patients on the trial here in the uk.

[Fergus Walsh]

Is it left now? Yeah, it says now.

[Sheila Irvine]

Sheila Irvine began losing her sight more than 30 years ago and now relies on a white cane to help her slowly make her way along a corridor at Moorfields eye Hospital. She's 70 and registered blind due to a progressive condition called dry Age Related Macular degeneration, or amd.

[Nick Miles]

That's okay, Sheila. So we're just going to be reading this text.

[Sheila Irvine]

But everything changes for Sheila when she puts on a special pair of glasses.

[Fergus Walsh]

Let's rock. Samantha looked across at her husband.

[Sheila Irvine]

She can read again for the first time in years.

[Fergus Walsh]

Freshly showered. Amazing. One happy bunny. I could have cried when I looked because I haven't seen letters for so long. And then I lit up the word and it was overwhelming.

[Sheila Irvine]

It's really made a tangible difference to your life.

[Fergus Walsh]

A big difference entirely. I read the post, read books, do crosswords.

[Sheila Irvine]

Tidukyo, did you ever imagine that you'd be able to read a book again?

[Jeremy Bowen]

Never.

[Sheila Irvine]

So how is it possible? A tiny microchip as thin as a human hair was inserted under the retina of her left eye.

[Nick Miles]

Okay, can you just come forward? We're just going to have a look at your eye.

[Sheila Irvine]

Her glasses have a camera which sends a video feed of the printed page to the microchip via an infrared beam.

[Nick Miles]

Look at the back of the eye, at the retina.

[Sheila Irvine]

The image is relayed to a computer and fed back to the chip in a way that her brain can interpret. So Sheila can read again.

[Nick Miles]

The chip's in an excellent position.

[Sheila Irvine]

Sheila was part of an international trial whose results have been published in the New England Journal of medicine. Of 32 blind patients given the implant, 27 were able to read again using their central vision. Results which have astounded Sheila's surgeon, Mahi Mukit from Moorfields Eye Hospital in London.

[Nick Miles]

This is the first treatment that's been demonstrated to effectively give patients meaningful vision that they can use in their daily life, such as reading, writing. So I think this is a major advance and I think what you'll find with patients, that it is life changing.

[Sheila Irvine]

Sheila's progress has stunned staff at Moorfield and it's easy to see why when she's in front of an eye chart.

[Divina Gupta]

Let'S see what you can read from the chart.

[Fergus Walsh]

Okay, well, I'll try.

[Sheila Irvine]

Without her glasses, Sheila cannot read even the largest letters. With them, she manages line after line V. Very good. K and is able to read even the smallest line of letters on the eye chart to her delight and that of the clinical team.

[Divina Gupta]

Very impressive. Very good.

[Nick Miles]

Very good.

[Sheila Irvine]

The technology is not yet licensed, but offers hope to thousands of patients with Sheila's form of dry AMD that report.

[Nick Miles]

By Fergus Walsh coming up.

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Next to Myanmar, where the military regime says it's taken over one of the most notorious scam centers in near the Thai border. The compound called KK park has been linked to human trafficking, online fraud and money laundering for the past five years. These sites are also known as Internet sweatshops where thousands of people are lured in with the promise of well paid jobs and then forced to run elaborate fraud schemes online. I asked our correspondent Jonathan Head in Bangkok what they'd done and why.

[Jonathan Head]

This isn't quite what it seems. It's actually quite unusual for the military hunter to give details of its operations. It very rarely does. And in this case I think they want to zero in the attention on having taken over this very notorious compound. But actually it's part of a much bigger operation. The military at the moment is much stronger than it used to be. It's done very well with conscription, it's got tens of thousands more soldiers, it's got a lot of new Chinese technology and it's adjusted its tactics. Remember, it's been losing ground to the insurgents across the country for the last year and a half, two years. That's changing. It's planning an election in December. It wants to gain as much ground as possible to give some kind of legitimacy. Remember, large parts of the country it still doesn't control. So it's launched these military operations along key trade routes up to the border to China and to the border with Thailand. That's the operation in which they happen to have taken over this scam center. Now we don't know what they've done with it. The number of people they said they found there is quite small. KK park is massive. There are five compounds, probably up to 20,000 people working there at any one time. They say they found 2,000. Our sources tell us the only people they actually took out were actually mostly local Burmese and a small number of Chinese. And we think it's possible China is their biggest backer and China wants them to take action against these scam centers. It's possible they did target some Chinese individuals to get them and whisk them out so they can go back to China to face trial. And that may be what this is about. Remember, there are dozens more scam centers still operating right along that border run by militia groups which are allied to the military. So this is not an operation to crush scam centers. It's much more like a piece of an operation that the military wants us to focus on because they want to look good to China, look good to.

[Nick Miles]

China, possibly look good to the rest of the world. Will it make a difference?

[Jonathan Head]

Briefly, I think the image of the Myanmar hunter is probably a lost cause for much of the world. I don't think it'll affect their image much, but it does show there is this persistent Chinese pressure and that the military will need to be seen at least to be trying to clamp down on these scam centers. But they're the only viable economy there, and there's so much money being made out of them, I suspect they will survive.

[Nick Miles]

Jonathan Head Late last week, the price of gold hit a record high of more than $4,300 an ounce as investors look for safe places to put their money amid concerns about economic and political uncertainty all the way around the world. India is one of the world's largest gold markets, and it traditionally sees high sales during the Hindu festival of Diwali, which begins today. So how are people and businesses reacting to the high prices? Divina Gupta reports from Delhi.

[Joe Tidy]

Good morning.

[Fergus Walsh]

I'm at a jewelry store, and around me there are shelves with intricate pieces, and it's packed with customers because it's a festive season and traditionally families buy gold for weddings and for good luck at this time. But the price jump globally for gold is hard to miss. So are customers ready to pay more or cutting back? We've come up for a shopping for the wedding of our daughter, you know, coming up next month. We have to think of the price ultimately, you know, but we have no option, you know, so some things have to be compromised. So what are you compromising on? We may not go for that heavy, you know, because nowadays kids don't want to wear very heavy jewelry. Also, I'm looking for some discounts around making charges, which is typically over and above the gold value. For today.

[Jeremy Bowen]

I bought a ring for my wife.

[Divina Gupta]

Her birthday is coming. You can understand the price has changed. So my budget this Time was low. Earlier I was buying, you know, gold, more than 10, 15 grams. This time I purchased for platinum, which is comparatively cheaper.

[Fergus Walsh]

So clearly many people here are trying to adjust their budget as the jewelry is definitely costing more this year. And just to give you an idea, I'm holding a gold necklace which has a beautiful traditional design. This would have cost around $5,000 last year, but now it's 50, 50% more expensive. It's a similar story for many pieces here. And that's why big jewelry brands are now finding creative ways to draw customers in. The idea is not to increase prices but to unlock the access for consumers. Shalini Gupta is the regional head of Tanishq, a jewellery brand owned by the Tata Group in Delhi. So we are doing a gold exchange, the kind of gold exchange we've never done before, that anything above 9 carat consumers can come and exchange with no deduction. And the amount of sale that is coming on the back of gold exchange has also gone up for us from last year. But some shoppers are switching to alternatives like silver.

[Divina Gupta]

So this is the coin that we are doing for the baby boy, Amit.

[Fergus Walsh]

Jeweler Shobhit Varma in Delhi who's rolling out new gifting options like silver coins to tap into the shift.

[Divina Gupta]

Silver will be a part of every jewelry store. Now earlier it wasn't like that. So we are seeing the changing trend. Silver is definitely increasing market share away from the showrooms.

[Fergus Walsh]

There are also investors who are betting big on digital gold through exchange traded funds or ETFs. According to the World Gold Council, gold ETFs in India saw their biggest ever investments in September. These are essentially stocks backed by physical gold. One of them is Akshay Khatri in Delhi.

[Nick Miles]

Why did I choose to invest in digital gold? Specifically, it's because it's easy to invest. You can invest at the push of a button, you can redeem at the push of a button. I don't have to worry about security, I don't have to worry about storing things in lockers. I don't have to worry about purity or being potentially, you know, having to buy something, check the make and manufacture of certain point of gold.

[Fergus Walsh]

But here's the catch. India imports billions of dollars worth of gold every year. And experts warn because of gold prices going up, India's import bill is set to rise as well. And this in turn could widen the trade deficit and push up inflation, potentially dimming the shine on the world's fastest growing major economy.

[Nick Miles]

Davina Gupta in Delhi on Sunday, the last Patient was discharged from an Ebola treatment facility in rural Bulape in the Democratic Republic of Congo. If no more cases are reported for six weeks, the most recent outbreak will be declared over. The first case was detected on the 4th of September, and since then 53 confirmed cases as well as 11 suspected cases have been reported. Dr. Patrick Otim from the World Health Organization in Kananga in the DRC is traveling to Bulapi. He's program area manager for the emergency response in the WHO Regional Office for Africa. He told Catherine Bjorohanga how this outbreak is being brought under control.

[Divina Gupta]

This outbreak, which was declared six weeks ago, has been contained quite fast and there have been a number of factors that we can consider. I think the top of the list has been a very strong leadership from the Ministry of Health, which has been facilitative of the response interventions both at the national and the provincial level. And then we've had a very good level of collaboration from the community who have really facilitated interventions. They have welcomed vaccination proactively, requested for teams to come to their area and carry out investigation. The third issue has been that we also had resources being mobilized by different partners. There has been very good level of collaboration from the international community and even donors that have helped us to be able to move quickly. You remember, we had challenges with accessing the area and the UN mission. Monusco was able to give us a helicopter to establish an air bridge. So this mobilization across all agencies and government institutions helped us to be able to access and overcome challenges. We have been able to implement a comprehensive range of public health interventions, from contact tracing to safe and dignified burial, community engagement and risk communication and vaccination. So far, we have vaccinated over 35,000 people within Bulape and the neighboring health zones. And we've been able to follow over 3,000 contacts since this started. And then lastly is the availability of countermeasures. As you know, we have approved vaccine for disease strain of the Ebola virus, the Ebola Zaire. So we're able to deploy the vaccine quickly. We also have therapeutics that we were using for managing the cases. And we were able to decentralize testing using the GeneXpert platform so that we could have results available within short time of six hours as opposed to taking samples to Kinshasa. So all this package of interventions really helped us to get to the point where we are now.

[Fergus Walsh]

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I understand that the death toll in this particular outbreak was for 45 people, perhaps higher than you might expect considering all those advances in terms of Ebola vaccines and treatments. I met the last Ebola outbreak in the DRC back in 2022. Only saw one confirmed case. So what happened this time around?

[Divina Gupta]

Yeah, thank you. So in the entire period we have been responding, we have recorded 53 confirmed cases. Out of the 53, 34 died. We also recorded 11 probable cases. Those are cases that died before were collected, but confirmed cases were linked to them. So that brings the number to 45 as you have said. Now there have been three issues largely responsible for the high fatality that we have seen. The first one is that the outbreak was detected a little bit late. As you can see that there were 11 people that had already died before even samples could be taken. So the late detection meant that a number of the people were already sick by the time we got them and they got to the facility late. And when patient presents very late with Ebola, it's usually very difficult to save them. The second issue was then that by the time of detection we had very limited capacity in Bulape to manage these kinds of infection and the level of severity that some of the patients had. So we struggled against time to be able to set up a comprehensive treatment facility to bring in the required expertise so that we can be able to effectively manage. And then lastly was also that there were some really fear among the population, some of the population in presenting to the treatment facility. So some did come in very late and it was very, very difficult to be able to reverse the cause of the disease. So unfortunately, despite all the efforts, we have had 64% case fatality in this response compared to the others that we had before.

[Nick Miles]

That was Dr. Patrick Otim from the WHO. The BBC World Service is launching a new podcast series about the Russian gangs dominating global cybercri called Cyber Hack Evil Core. And it looks at never before told stories about a hacking spree which has lasted for more than 15 years. It's co hosted by our Europe correspondent Sarah Rainsford and our cyber correspondent Joe Tidy. Joe told Catherine Bjorahanger more about this gang.

[Joe Tidy]

Well, Evil Corps have been around for a long time. As you say they are sort of like the, the OGs of Russian cybercrime. And it dates right back to sort of 20, well 2007, 2008 time when they began doing some really innovative and interesting things in cybercrime. They were carrying out what we call banking Trojan attacks. So they were stealing money directly from tens of victims around the world, potentially even hundreds of victims around the world. Stealing small amounts in some cases, but in some cases, obviously enough to really cause a lot of harm to the victims and organizations they were taking money from. And then we saw this sort of evolution of Evil Court as they went through and they changed their tactics and in the end they became what is now one of the largest ransomware gangs in the world, carrying out the type of attacks that we've seen this year, really where they're stealing millions from companies and extorting them by putting in malware into their systems and scrambling their computer networks and also stealing data as well. And there's been various law enforcement activities against them, trying to track these guys down, trying to get them arrested. But of course they are in Russia, we think, and that is potentially the reason why they are in some ways protected.

[Fergus Walsh]

And you're focusing on EVA Corp in this podcast. But Joe, you've reported a lot on hacking groups over the years, have even spoken to hackers. What makes Evil Corp stand out, would you say?

[Joe Tidy]

For me, Evil Corps, they, they have been an obsession of law enforcement for a long time and also an obsession of mine as well, because I think, as I say, they are one of the original Russian cybercrime gangs. And when in 2019, Maxim Jakubets, who is the alleged leader of this suspected gang, he was sanctioned and indict by the US what was fascinating was they didn't just say this is the man behind the gang, they also released his Instagram and VK posts and they showed a real kind of playboy lifestyle in Moscow with Lamborghinis and pet lions and all sorts of luxuries that you know, you can only afford if you are at the top of a very large cybercrime syndicate. I actually went to Russia to try and find Maxim Jacob and some of the other alleged Evil Corps members in the at the end of 2021 and I got, got as close as anyone has. I found Maxim Jacobett's father and interviewed him for, for a BBC World Service documentary. And little did I know, of course, at the time that this man was, who was claiming innocence for his son, was also allegedly, according to National Crime Agency, a part of the group as well. So it was in 2024 that he himself, Victor Jacobec, was accused of being part of the syndicate. Not only that, but other members of the, the family of Jacobec. So I think what, what you've got here is a kind of cybercrime gang that is also a family run business.

[Nick Miles]

Joe Tidy. And that's all from us for now, but there will be a new edition of the Global News Podcast. Later, if you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcastbc.co.uk. you can also find us on X@BBC World Service. Use the hashtag globalnewspod. This edition was mixed by Johnny Baker, and the producers were Peter Goffin and Oliver Burlow. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Nick Marles, and until next time, goodbye. Hello, it's Ray Winstone. I'm here to tell you about my podcast on BBC Radio 4, History's Toughest Heroes. I got stories about the pioneers, the rebels, the outcome. That car should define tough. And that was the first time that.

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