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Hello and welcome to Global Sanctuary for Elephants podcast. Global Rumblings Global Sanctuary for Elephants, or GSE for short, is a non profit organization with a mission to create vast safe spaces for captive elephants where they are able to heal fish physically and emotionally, often from very traumatic pasts. I'm your host, Nadia Mazzarati and I'll be taking you to the lush jungle of the Mato Grosso region in Central Brazil, home of GEC's initial project, Elephant Sanctuary Brazil, where four Mizu and circus elephants from across South America live their best lives. Hello everybody. Welcome back to the Global Rumblings podcast and thank you for joining us again this week for a new and exciting episode as we continue to learn more about Baby the sanctu latest resident. In our last podcast we talked about Baby's past before she came to sanctuary and today Scott will be sharing some hopefully fun and behind the scenes stories from the three day relocation road trip. But of course we'll also be catching up on Baby to find out how she's doing during her first days and weeks at the sanctuary. So let's say hi to Kat and Scott. Hi you two.
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B
Hey Nadia.
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C
Hey Nadia, how are you doing?
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I'm fine, but my sense of time is a little bit askew because we bumped up the last episode. Simply didn't want to wait another week to share Baby's story with you and now sort of. Yeah, just a reminder for everybody to subscribe and follow the podcast if you are enjoying it. Because although we do release every three weeks, sometimes we surprise you. So if you subscribe and follow us, you'll never miss another episode.
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C
So I need to do that so I don't miss the next episode because my, my sense of timing is always askew. Where are we? What day of the week it is? What time zone are we in?
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A
There's a book in Germany called. It's a book about philosophy and it means who am I and and how many am I? So maybe that is a an interesting title for you.
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C
How many am I? Thank goodness. Only one I think.
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A
Okay, so last week we talked about Baby's past. Not last week, in our last episode we talked about Baby's past prior to Sanctuary and today. Yes, the a three day road trip set off on the 18th of June, caught everyone off guard and took three days to relocate her from the Beto Cajaro World, an amusement park in Brazil. So you had already said that the crate was already at the amusement park because she was actually destined to go to a different zoo and they were already crate Training her. So maybe we can pick up from there and you can then, yeah, take us back along memory lane and on this long and very tiring road trip.
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C
Well, first off, you know, we've done several trips where we don't have a lot of notice or we don't have a lot of time once we go to the zoo. So we only have three to five days sometimes. And so it's not uncommon for us to go and, you know, assimilate an elephant very quickly, because all of the
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B
girls in Brazil that have come from Brazil, it's always been the three to five days. Let's go.
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C
They adapt very quickly. And normally you take advantage of the curiosity of the crate before it gets too old, before the day excitement of the new toy wears down. And normally they. They. They're curious, they want to go in right away.
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B
They found nothing exciting in their lives for 30, 40, 50 years. I mean, it's literally like the first new toy they've had in decades. So they see it and they're like, I don't even know what it is, but I need to find out.
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C
But normally that process is entirely on us. And in this scenario, it was not entirely on us. We didn't know exactly how it was going to unfold. Uh, but we did have a video from before of her going into her other crate, which is about the same size, a little bit larger. Uh, definitely not built as well. Um, and it's basically built for elephants. It's basically just a container, a shipping container that's not really reinforced. Uh, okay. So. But she had already been closed in that crate, so it was great. She had been closing multiple times. The team was already accustomed to doing this. We didn't know what we're going to get into when we arrived. I think we talked about it in the last episode with one of her caregivers she really, really, really adored in a way that I've very rarely seen. And it really worked to our advantage, not only in the relationship, but he really wanted her to go to the Sanctuary as well.
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B
He came back to help with this. He hadn't been there at the time and came back.
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C
No. He had been helping with preparations for the other trip.
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A
Yeah.
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C
So he had been helping for her for assimilation, whichever way she was going to go, whether she was going to go to the other zoo or to the Sanctuary. But he was really happy she was going to come to the Sanctuary because the life that it provide. He was very open. There was another caregiver who was also very open and had been following and said repeatedly how much he's already learned from watching the Sanctuary Instagram page and seeing the life that we can provide. So we had a lot of collaboration and that relationship really worked to our advantage because he was able to. She had confidence, comfort to be closed in the new crate almost right away, even though again, it's a new crate, a little bit different still being closed in a small space, different ventilation, different windows, different doors, different sounds. She had a lot of fun playing with our little latches, made little automatic latches and checking it all out. But within, you know, 24 hours, she was being closed into the new crate. So she did exceedingly well. And a lot of that had to do with that relationship. He was free contact with her. So he would actually go in behind her and close the cape. Great. Behind her. So that is something that we could utilize to our advantage and her advantage
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B
as well, which is always a little scary to watch. I don't even care. She clearly loved him. But, you know, they are wild animals and things happen, they get spooked, they have a bad day, whatever it is. So always makes me a little nervous when I get the videos of some of the stuff that went on. A lot scary, A lot scary.
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C
But she also looking at her behavior, I mean, she would do like rumbling and roaring at him, calling him and so excited, following him everywhere he went. So, you know, it was, you know, even though they're in scary positions, you could see there's a difference in that relationship that, that is unique, you know, very nice for her and of course, very helpful for the crate transport. So she assimilated, assimilated into the crate very easily. She was nice and calm and easy. The crate arrival actually did our crate arriving there put the team more at ease because they immediately saw again what detail we put into what a real
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B
elephant transport crate should look like.
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C
Yeah, they didn't, they said they didn't even real how substantially different the crate would be until it arrived and they started looking at all the scenarios. And even something like that goes to build trust for what our organization does. You know, our team is highly detailed in these considerations and the crate has a lot of really unique features to it. Structurally, it is very, very well built. And again, those little things make a difference right away when you are introducing yourself to a new organization or to
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B
a company, especially because so many of these places think that anything that has to do with animal rights are just a bunch of like hipp ish, you know, we don't actually know what we're doing. We just want to save all the animals of the world. And the merit that the organization has is just not something that's generally seen or accepted in these types of scenarios. So when you can go into a facility and immediately start showing your knowledge with like things like even he mentioned the last time with her poop doesn't smell right, you know, or seeing the crate and seeing that you, you know, if we need to, we can drop this door and safely do an injection from the back and all of those things, people start to realize that we're not just a bunch of whatevers that don't know what we're doing.
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C
And I think there's a lot of, a lot of sanctuaries get a bad rap because of that, because there's this perception of activists wanting to save the world. And many times we are, but we're doing so in a way that is taking consideration for what truly those animals need, all aspects of it. You know, this isn't just some hair brain idea of let's save elephants. This is built on many, many years, many decades of experience.
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B
Yeah.
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And we have talked about your, your crate and they were specially designed by you. And also, I can't remember in which podcast, but one podcast where crate was supposed to be used and it wasn't very stable. Something sort of dropped off. I remember Kat saying. So, yes, your crates are purpose built. They have lots and lots of features. So yeah, that's great that they immediately saw the difference between, well, just a container, an oversea container.
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C
And it's beautiful. Very proud of the container and it worked really, really well. So it was actually too big for her. She made it a little bit difficult on the road because it's made for boys. As we mentioned before, the girls crates are being modified a little bit. And so we have used the boy crate. It's a little bit longer, a little bit wider. So normally we would access in the road, we would access the side doors and you could see the elephant pretty well. But when you open up the side door, the little front, the lateral door at the front feeding door, we actually couldn't see her unless you stuck your head into the crate.
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B
Because it was big enough that she could go all the way to the back versus the way the other crates are, that there's not enough space that she could disappear to the back.
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I have to send some photos. I can get Bob to put a few photos into the video edition.
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C
Yeah, we can definitely do that because a different perspective than we normally have. And so we ended up using the front Doors a lot more than we normally would during the transform. She did right? She did great. Transport was fine. We had a little hiccup on the loading day. She went in the crate. Everything is fine. We had already been talking to the crane crew. They had already. They're the ones that put the crate in place. The crane cannot get very close because of structures, trees and power lines. So the crane was positioned and as we already know with Baby from the videos before, she sways a lot of. And she was swaying a whole lot in the crate. So as soon as the crate came off the ground, it was basically almost touching the buildings on both sides. Oh my God. Which were scheduled to be torn down. So the joke was, hey, they can just pay us our demolition fee later if she starts rocking too much. But it was on the edge of what the crane could do. So they actually had to reposition the crane. Unfortunately, with that type of crane system, it takes almost an hour and a half to reposition the crane because they actually. You have to pack everything up, remove the counterweights, move it all back into place. I mean, relocate it, add the counterweights again, put it back in place, and then also wait for the. The computer to reconfigure based on the. The positioning and the weight.
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B
And just for clarification, when he says the crane was at its limit, not weight wise. No, it was just the distance because of the angle and the cantilever and
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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B
Just so people don't think we're. We are using a crane, almost not pick up an elephant on the crate.
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C
No, if it was. If the, if the crate was 2 meters closer, it would have been no issue at all. And again, not from a weight perspective. Just a little bit of balance on the, on the crane and the physics of. Yeah, so with that, the other thing is her movement negatively impacted that. So if she had just been still, it would have been no problem. And they actually measured it based on an excess of calculation. When they were putting the crate in place, they had the same position. They said, weight wise, no problem. The crate. The computers are all saying, no problem, the crane can have this capacity. But what was happening is when she would sway, it would just create a little bit of a pendulum and that would cause a disturbance on the crane. So with that, I had to reposition took a little bit longer. During this time, the backstory is we're still waiting to make sure that the judicial action is not going to get stopped. So we were actually waiting until the last second, hoping that there Was actually judge released something, I think at 10:30 that morning. We were planning to leave at about, hopefully by noon. And right around 10:30 after the judge released whatever he released, saying that everything was good. There was a window for not the amusement park, but the zoo that we talked about re entering and the process and trying to put a stop on the relocation. So we were kind of against the clock a little bit and we just said, you know what? We can't make this go any faster. We just have to breathe through it. She's doing great. She's nice and calm. The care team was awesome. They were really accommodating throughout the whole thing. And then eventually we were getting ready to go. We then had to move the crate out into the parking lot on a small truck and then lift it up again, put it on the big truck, and then get ready to go. So, yeah, another movement of the crane. So all of that was. The logistics of that were not easy.
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B
Inside a lot of these zoos and amusement parks, there's no. I mean, people have been to zoos. The roads are tiny. You know, there's no way to navigate a big truck that you can put those crates on a lot of times. So you have to just put them on a smaller truck that would not be safe to drive on the roads with turns and angles and so on and so forth. So you have to put them on a tiny truck, get them out of there, and then shift them over to a truck that's much safer to drive on the highways with.
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C
And add this is the negative side of having an excessively built elephant crate is a little bit heavier than the others. It's about 4,000 pounds heavier than the others. But it is built for males. And what you want to build is for the worst case scenario. And if you have somebody that gets agitated or frustrated, you don't want things bending and breaking on the road, you know, so that compromise or a little bit logistical challenge. But she did great. The team did great. We hit the road and we actually drove through that first night entirely because of when we left. And she did really, really well throughout all of it. She was a little bit tired.
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B
The teams are always set up so that we can drive through the night whether it happens or not. So there's always two truck drivers. There's always two van drivers. You know, it's set up in case that actually has to happen. And it's not necessarily because of our own schedule, but if we have an elephant that is less comfortable when you do stop, because that does happen. You know, they're all individuals. You know, the older girls generally like to stop at night so they can rest. But if you get somebody who's agitated and somebody who doesn't want, who doesn't seem to calm down when it stops and you have the reverse that they seem to get antsy or anxious. You want to have the ability to drive through the night. So it's always set up that we can, but I think it's the first time we have.
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C
First time we have. Yeah, it actually worked really well. I think this was also. I think we talked before Matthias's first elephant road trip. So he was. It was.
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A
He's your vet. For people who don't know.
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C
Yeah, Matisse is our vet. He's our longest standing caregiver as well. He's in there over six years now and he's done a lot with. Worked with a bunch of different elephants now in many different scenarios. But this is his first ride along road trip. He's joined us virtually as many people have, but it's definitely a different scenario, you know, so he was worried a few times and he's like, this is normal, you know, she didn't drink exceedingly well the first day, that's all normal. They don't eat well the first day, that's all normal. It depends on the individual. You know, I think we talked about with poaching, Gizamina Giza started strong and ended a little weak. Pocha started a little weak and ended strong, or vice versa. I don't remember which way it was, but that happens, you know, sometimes they, they do really well. And I'd rather have them have the first day a little bit off and be stronger on the second and third day than the other way. But she did great. I think starting the second day, halfway through the second day, she started drinking better, drinking more Gatorade, a little frustrated. She definitely let us know that she didn't want us just hanging out, doing things. And with those front doors being all the way open, she was hitting the gate a couple of times at us and a little bit irritated towards us. But again, understandable. New scenario. Haven't been on the road a long time. They don't really. She doesn't really know us and we're fine with them expressing that, expressing that emotion, even if it is negative, because it's at least not bottled up. You know, she's not hiding within, she's letting us know what she's feeling. And we just tried to listen and adapt. And again, overall, she did really well the Second night was late night.
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B
So she not only looks a little bit like lady, she likes to communicate through hitting the gate. A little bit like Lady.
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C
No relation to Lady. Just to be clear, we do know her lineage. Sometimes we don't always know, but we do know we do know the lineage of babies. So.
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A
So just a question, you said that her, she had a care. Caregiver that she bonded with very, very well. You said it was quite unique. Did he join you on the, on the road trip? It doesn't sound like he did.
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C
He did not. That was not, that was not part of the discussion on this trip. So sometimes you do, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't. It really depends on the individual. You know, you never know how they're going to respond. One of the downsides sometimes when you have people that actually know the elephant, as the elephant shifts, the people don'. So even if she, you know, even if she really liked him and she really found comfort with him, sometimes when they start shifting towards that more agitated behavior, the caregivers don't shift with them and that can create a dangerous situation.
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B
Again, we had that with Poch Engish Mina.
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C
Yeah, they're just assuming they're going to be status quo. But no, status quo does not, no one's status quo on the road. You know, after, you know, 24 hours of traveling, whether it be human or dog or elephant, you know, you know, 24 hours, 24 hours of on the road or 36 or 48 hours on the road, people are irritable too. You know, we give each other grace, but sometimes we don't give them the space to change and evolve.
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B
Yeah, it actually ended up being dangerous with the caregiver that came with them.
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C
But yeah, anyway, so you never really know if it's going to be a benefit or not. And seeing with her age, with her stability, you know, it was not really part of the, part of that equation, part of that discussion.
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A
So. Okay.
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C
Especially with the lawsuit and everything happened very quickly, you know, it's just a little bit different scenario than what we had with, for example, Pocho and Guimina or with all the elephants from Argentina where we had collaboration, long term collaboration with both the Buenos Aires Zoo, Buenos Aires Eco park and Mendoza Eco Park. You know, that's been a collaboration several years in the making. So we had several other caregivers came within those scenarios. I don't think we have anybody else from Brazil.
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B
We've asked and we've gotten a lot of angry, no's. Which is kind of weird, you know, especially when people are against it, which you understand, because they want their, quote unquote, their elephant to stay with them. But then when you give them the opportunity to see what it's like on the road and see the sanctuary, to put them a little bit at ease, and they still turn around and are just kind of pissy about and are like, no, I don't want to go. It's like, okay.
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C
And we do have interest from the veterinarians to come visit her.
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A
That's good.
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C
I just got a message the other day asking when I said, let's wait till she gets a little more settled, adapted with the other elephants, and then not only for a baby, but also for that vet to see that adaptation a little bit more as well. She's doing great. I mean, she already looks so much different already. And just got a video today of her walking through the pasture in the middle of the pasture. So she's. She's doing really, really well in a
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B
new area she hasn't been to yet, so.
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C
Knocking down palm trees at night.
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A
Yeah.
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C
So overall, the trip was relatively uneventful. I don't think that we had anything going that I can recall, but that's all a blur.
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B
What's the issue with the prf?
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C
Oh, yeah, we. Because of this, the late notice, the short notice, we could not get one solid PRF team. The federal Police, highway patrol, we had to switch teams. So sometimes we had to stop and wait for teams to arrive. A couple of times we also. On the last morning, we were getting ready to leave early. All was well. And then we got stopped 10 minutes out of town at the PR station because the vice president of Brazil was in town and they had to re. Navigate everything. So that was an unexpected notice in the morning. So that shut down some of the roads.
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B
Damn him.
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Yeah.
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C
Set down some of the roads, but also tied up some of the PRF that were supposed to be coming with us. So a little bit delayed, but overall things went really well. She arrived to the sanctuary with. With tremendous ease. Did the crate transfer in the. At the little village nearby. Normally do a crate transfer in the nearby city, but we came all the way to the village because of the new roads that have been put in place that went exceedingly well. Derived into the sanctuary with ease as well. Heavy crate, a little bit different crate was swaying a little bit going up and down the road. But that all worked really well. And yeah, so all was. All was in order. Pretty uneventful trip. Overall, she did great. Never. Sometimes, you know, as we. I think we've talked about poop a few times on this podcast. Always looking at fecal condition gives you an idea of what's going on. She never had any loose stools or any sort of diarrhea at all.
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B
Especially with stress when lifting the crates and stuff is usually when the elephants get diarrhea.
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A
Okay.
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C
And during that first, you know, getting defecated a couple of times while moving the crate. But there was no diarrhea. Everything was nice and solid. And so, yeah, I mean, just little indications that you look forward to see what's going on.
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B
Especially an elephant that we know has GI issues, has had constipation issues in the past when the. Their beverage intake goes down. And I say beverage because I am always so surprised at the amount of people that get annoyed that we give elephants Gatorade. You have people on one side that think it's cute, and then you have people on the other side that are like, it has so many chemicals. It's so bad for her. Why are you giving her that? It's like, oh, we're just trying to give them a little bit of electrolytes. On the road, it is hard to get what we want. Sometimes we actually prefer to use coconut water. But oddly enough, in so many places in Brazil, it's everywhere. And then in other places, it's harder to get. And if she doesn't want coconut water, which some of our elephants don't like, you know, you want to get something into her. It's not like we're giving her soda, but, you know, it's also. Generally can't find Pedialyte at a gas station, so we're just trying to. And we water it down so that it's not just straight Gatorade and that it allows us a different way to introduce more water. But it's hysterical looking at social media and seeing the amount of people that get annoyed at us giving elephants Gatorade.
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C
I have a question for everybody that's been on a road trip who doesn't partake in snacks and junk food on the road trip?
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B
Oh, my God. Unfortunately, that's like, what is your.
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C
What is your road trip food?
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People talk about, I never drink Coke, but I don't know why. I'm sort of really sugared up. I need. I drink Coke.
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C
Yeah, I did, too, actually. I don't drink Coke except for when I'm on the road and people are shocked that I had Coca Cola.
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B
And there are a bunch of vegans, and they're not able to eat much of anything on the road because there's nothing. So Scott was happy because he found gluten free. Somebody found him gluten free. Pringles. I mean, nobody's eating. Well, she's probably eating better than everybody else, but, but a little bit of
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C
Gatorade, you know, with a scenario like that, and sometimes it's just a little treat. Treat, you know, sometimes it's, you know, even if it's not, even if you take the electrolyte issue to the side, you give her something that she actually finds appealing. Sure. You know, that will hydrate her just a little bit. Bonus, you know, great. Especially on that first day when she's
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B
not drinking really well and constipation is a problem and colic has been a problem in the past for her. So we're being very aware of all of her intakes and output. It's not that we aren't in general, but, you know, if she's not drinking, well, yeah, she's going to get Gatorade.
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A
Interesting. I've always wondered why you do, but you've, you've, you've clarified that of course now. But yeah, I mean, I must say, when I first heard of it, I thought, well, that's quite a lot of sugar in it. But yeah, there must be, must be a reason for it. I mean, you're the expert. But yeah, it makes, it makes sense.
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C
Giant elephant. Giant, giant, giant elephant. Four bottles of Gatorade. We're not talking about excessive sugar content. E eating like sugar cane directly, which I know is unprocessed, but there's a high sugar content in sugarcane that she eats as part of. That's part of the road. If you're looking at actual sugar content. I don't know. I'd never done a comparison with Gatorade with a giant piece of sugar cane, but you get a 2 meter long piece of sugar cane, I'm pretty sure it's going to be coming pretty close to Gatorade. So, yes, we need to keep all of those things in perspective. That.
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B
But no GI issues and she did super well. So we are all happy. Gatorade or not Gatorade.
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C
Yeah.
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A
So I can't believe we're actually nearly at the end of our, of our slot. We've got about, yeah, five minutes roughly for. So she unloaded very fast. And we always already said in our last podcast that she actually unloaded at the time that your auction was sort of coming to an end. Your trunks and treasures auction, nobody was online or very few People. So hopefully soon we'll have the figures of the. Of the auction as well. And so maybe in the last minutes you can just. For people who haven't. Although unbelievable. Been following her story on, on Facebook, on Instagram and on YouTube and watching all the videos. How is she settling in? How have her first weeks at the sanctuary been? How has her health.
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B
I. Sorry, I got stuck on the how is her health question, which is impossible to answer, especially in a couple of minutes. She's doing really well. She is. You know, she's one of those elephants that's easy to fall in love with. All of the caregivers at work with her adore her. I mean, she's so. She's not emotionally fully open, you know, yet. They are working on, you know, the basics of just touch for touch sakes, which I don't think people realize that, yes, you can touch an elephant. Everybody can touch her. They touch her feet. They do that. But it's very different touching her for purpose versus touching her, just to touch her. And her caregivers are new to her. You know, it's not this. Every elephant instantly loves the new people in their lives. It's not like that with people. It's not like that with elephants. So getting them comfortable with moving forward in touching her like that and her getting comfortable with being open with them, to being touched just in an affectionate way. But she's really good. She had a lot of training at the park. We're having to adjust that training, of course, slightly different technique, asking for different things. But she's great. I mean, she's definitely more grounded in her energy. We mentioned it before she came. She had a bit of an intensity to her, and we weren't sure what that was, where that came from, how that was going to shift at sanctuary. But she's definitely settled with that.
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C
She's swaying a lot less. I mean, she used to sway a lot with a really intense, you know, leg spread apart, you know, opening up her front legs and a lot of energy into the swaying that's diminished substantially. You know, they talk about, you know, the. The caregivers are not seeing a lot of feces in the barn at night, in the morning. So, you know, she's spending most of her time outside now at night, which is great, right? Much more independent. She's still watchful. She still wants to be where people are, but she's spending more time, you know, close to where the other elephants are along the. Whether it be the. The east side of her enclosures, which is near the yard, five of the female Asian habitat. So they're seem to be watching back and forth, chatting back and forth.
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B
Footprints into the pond. Nobody's seen her in there. But when they clean the yard, there are literally footprints going into the pond. So clearly she's been in there.
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C
She loves throwing herself down on the ground for baths when you give her a hose bath. So it's also a nice little bonding time for the caregivers. And she gets nice and soft and easy, and she loves fresh dirt.
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B
So she now has new piles of fresh dirt in the habitat. Because she has dirt in the habitat. Clearly there's dirt everywhere. But she loves the really soft kind of fine dirt piles that we had in the barn. So now we've put some outside in the habitat. And she was squishing in those and laying on those and dusting herself with those. So she's a big fan.
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A
Oh, lovely. Yeah. We did link up in the other episode in the show notes. I linked up to you, Scott giving baby a hose bath. And she actually loved that. And she was like squishing her head all over. And you said, well, you had to laugh. You sort of said, you're so beautiful, beautifully. And then contorted. And she was like turning herself over. It's like, yeah, beautiful.
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B
Yeah, that's a normal thing for her. I think Barb said, her bath yesterday, she's like. It was like 10 minutes. She just really. And it's funny because as far as I knew, she was another one that they said she didn't really like baths. They.
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C
At certain times, yeah, but not frequently.
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B
And she's all about them at the sanctuary, so.
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C
And she is beautifully contorted. She bends her body in all kinds of weird ways, like, I don't know where those joints came from, but she's young and spunky.
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B
She's much more flexible than the old girls.
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A
And just briefly, before we. Before we end, is there a timeline as to when her. I don't know if quarantine is the right word, but you have left her in the. In the. She's in the male Asian habitat for some more testing. Is there a timeline on when you will then be able to release her into the female Asian habitat?
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B
That. No, we don't have any exact timeline. It just kind of depends on tests results, the time it takes to get the results, and talking to the judge after everything. So no definitive timeline. But she'll get there.
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A
She'll get there. Okay, perfect. Another reason for our listeners, if you are enjoying the podcast, to subscribe follow so you don't miss the podcast. And then of course also if you follow GSE on their various social media platforms or Elephant Sanctuary Brazil, they have of course got a Portuguese site as well. And then you will see all the updates and then you'll be yeah, one of the first to see when this quarantine time is over and then we are all eagerly awaiting but of course putting back our expectations that when she is finally released to to meet up with the other girls to see how that happens. Okay you two, thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule and sharing all the information and the updates on baby and yeah, until we meet up next time, take care.
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C
Sounds good Nadia. Take care.
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A
Bye Nadia. That's all that we have time for this week. We hope you enjoyed the podcast and if you did, don't forget to subscribe. Hit the notification bell so you never miss an episode. Another great zero cost way to support the podcast is by leaving a five star rating or a glowing review as this helps other people discover the podcast. Thank you so much for your support and until we meet up for our next episode, take care.
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B
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