Beauty and the Epstein Files: Access and Accountability

Summary

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Gloss Angeles: "Beauty and the Epstein Files: Access and Accountability"

Hosts: Kirbie Johnson & Sara Tan
Date: February 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode sees Kirbie and Sara deliver their signature blend of sharp commentary at the crossroads of beauty, pop culture, and accountability. They kick things off with deep dives into product launches from Mary Phillips and the impending return of Marc Jacobs Beauty, then pivot to a significant and fraught discussion: beauty industry figures implicated in the Jeffrey Epstein files. The hosts don't shy away from tough questions around complicity, access, and ethical boundaries—especially as they touch on the recent revelations about Peter Thomas Roth’s correspondence with Epstein. Through it all, they maintain their forthright, conversational tone, interweaving industry expertise with a call for transparency and accountability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mary Phillips’ Le Skin Weightless Serum Foundation Launch

Timestamps: [01:19]–[10:44]

• Product Impressions:

  • Both hosts rave about the new Le Skin Weightless Serum Foundation by Mary Phillips, calling it “so good” and praising its light texture, buildable coverage, and chic packaging.

    “When I put it on, I can’t even feel like I put it on... it totally just feels like your skin, but better.” —Kirbie [02:21]

  • They note its unique sweet scent, speculate the presence of coconut, and stress it doesn’t break them out.

• Formula & Application:

  • The product is a true foundation (not a skin tint), serum-like and very lightweight:

    “It’s not a skin tint. It is a foundation. The formula is serum.” —Sarah [03:22]

  • Applied with the accompanying brush (or similar), it gives a skin-like, luminous finish.

• Shade Range & Launch Critique:

  • Praises for the 35-shade even distribution, and reflection on the overall brand rollout.
  • Honest commentary on industry insider insights—acknowledging launch logistics were rushed, especially compared to expectations set by Mary Phillips' reputation.

    “A lot of the comments mimicked the same sentiment that they were expecting more from Mary Phillips and this brand. I can’t say I disagree.” —Sarah [06:19]

  • The hosts share that key products were missing at launch, attributing issues to shipping delays, pressure from Sephora’s makeup artist initiative, and execution missteps.

    “It was just like you said, the execution of the actual launch in Sephora...” —Kirbie [07:25]

  • They express regret that the underpainting palette isn’t refillable and discuss the absence of new palette shades.

• Social Media & Brand Direction:

  • Notable shift in social presence, improved campaigns with new CEO Anna Beals.
  • The foundation and underpainting palette are designed to work seamlessly together—a point for future product strategy.

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2. Marc Jacobs Beauty Revival

Timestamps: [10:44]–[13:53]

• Excitement Over Return:

  • Marc Jacobs Beauty’s return is teased at his NYFW show.
  • Hosts reminisce about cult favorites (Velvet Noir mascara, Omega bronzer, eyeshadow palettes), and discuss the high-impact branding of announcing the relaunch through runway beauty.

    “If you’re gonna launch your brand or relaunch your brand... the makeup for this show is literally the perfect way to do it.” —Sarah [11:32]

• Nostalgia & Anticipation:

  • Personal anecdotes about holding onto discontinued products linger, reflecting on their long-standing impact.
  • Curiosity about whether old formulas and packaging will remain or shift under new licensing with Coty.

• Market Questions:

  • Open speculation: Will the brand return to Sephora? Who’s heading the relaunch team? Listeners invited to DM with insider intel.

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3. The Epstein Files & Beauty Industry Accountability

Timestamps: [13:53]–[24:01]

• Why Cover This Story?

  • Sara underscores the show’s commitment to discussing hard topics, including where beauty overlaps with larger cultural issues.

    “If you didn’t want to hear about politics on this podcast, you should have stopped listening a long time ago.” —Sarah [14:05]

• Peter Thomas Roth's Correspondence with Jeffrey Epstein:

  • Review of documents showing Roth’s contact with Epstein spanning 2004–2018.
  • Kirbie and Sara clarify being "in the Epstein Files" does NOT mean involvement in crimes, but highlight troubling interactions.

    “Being in the Epstein Files does not mean you participated, that you co-signed, that you did anything illegal or morally wrong.” —Sarah [14:22]

• Key Revelations:

  • Emails showing PTR sending Ghislaine Maxwell redacted videos, sending new skincare products, and arranging routines for women at Epstein’s residence.
  • A notably disturbing 2018 email in which PTR sends an article to Epstein about Steve Bannon’s meeting with him, complimenting Epstein’s photo despite the article’s headline implicating Epstein as a pedophile.

    “You cannot feign ignorance there. And I think that’s what a lot of people are upset about.” —Sarah [17:34]

• PTR’s Public Statement & Host Response:

  • PTR's statement claims he was unaware of Epstein’s crimes and regrets having any association.

    “When allegations surrounding Epstein’s behavior first surfaced, I was in disbelief that he could commit such heinous crimes.” —PTR statement [17:55] (read by Sarah)

  • Hosts call out inconsistencies, noting that public records and news made Epstein’s predatory behavior clear as early as 2008.

    “That was years after he had already been accused of being a pedophile... Not even accused. He pled guilty to soliciting sex from a minor in 2008.” —Sarah [18:38–18:52]

  • Unfiltered reactions:

    “This is an insult to our intelligence... This statement is clearly him just trying to save his ass at this point.” —Kirbie & Sarah [19:23–19:29]

• Industry-Wide Implications:

  • Discussion about other beauty names mentioned (e.g., Frédéric Fekkai), mostly in business contexts. Still, the pattern is concern over those who maintained relationships with Epstein after his conviction.

    “People were willing to turn a blind eye to a literal sex offender in order to receive his connections, money and power.” —Sarah [23:01]

• Demand for Action:

  • Hosts call on major retailers (Sephora, Ulta) to cut ties:

    “Sephora and Ulta, it’s time for him to go. This is enough for me.” —Sarah [23:23]

  • They passionately argue that continued partnership is unacceptable to their audience and the wider community, emphasizing the brand's reliance on female customers.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mary Phillips' Foundation:

  “It’s how you want your skin to look, especially with this, like, buildable medium coverage. But doesn’t feel heavy.” —Kirbie [03:14]

• On Industry Accountability:

  “I’m not here to say that these people participated or even knew of the disgusting crimes being committed...But the fact is, like we said, Jeffrey Epstein pled guilty and was a sex offender who served jail time. These people were corresponding with him long after.” —Sarah [22:35–23:00]

• On Ignoring Red Flags:

  “If I heard that you were a...if you became a sex offender, this podcast does not exist anymore. We are no longer doing this. Same with me.” —Sarah [19:34]

• On Industry Responsibility:

  “I think that’s why women especially are so upset right now. I’m not hearing really any men at all talk about this stuff…It’s clear that they’re willing to turn a blind eye for their own gain.” —Sarah [21:08–21:18]

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Important Timestamps

• 01:19 —Mary Phillips Foundation launch discussion
• 05:42 —Brand launch logistics & underpainting palette critique
• 10:44 —Marc Jacobs Beauty NYFW tease
• 13:53 —Transition to Epstein Files discussion
• 15:08 —Summary/clarification of evidence against Peter Thomas Roth
• 17:55 —Sarah reads PTR’s public statement
• 19:34 —Hosts' blunt assessment of industry response
• 23:23 —Hosts’ call to action for major retailers

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Tone & Style

The episode is candid, direct, and unapologetically critical when warranted, balancing deep-dive product analysis with a strong ethical stance. The hosts clearly care about beauty as an industry but push for the kind of accountability they expect—not just for themselves, but for the brands and people they cover.

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Final Thoughts

Kirbie and Sara blend industry expertise with moral clarity, challenging both their audience and the industry to reckon with difficult truths. From the excitement over new beauty launches to the sobering reality of beauty’s complicity in broader cultural failings, this episode offers both insight and an urgent call for introspection in beauty spaces.

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Transcript

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[Kirby]

Foreign. Los angeles hi, kirby.

[Sarah]

Hi, sarah.

[Kirby]

Welcome to los angeles.

[Sarah]

All right, today there is a new product coming out. Sarah and I are super excited about it. We've been testing it for a while. If you have listened to this podcast ever, we've had the founder on the podcast. We talk about her a lot. We absolutely love her brand and her products. NPH Mary Phillips brand new Less Skin Weightless Serum Foundation. Have you seen the promo for this?

[Kirby]

So good.

[Sarah]

Get on top. I'm telling you, when I said yearning was going to be big for 2026, we're. We're there. We are there also.

[Kirby]

Just again, Mary Phillips is just such a beautiful woman.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

She.

[Sarah]

She's so beautiful and so nice.

[Kirby]

So nice. Everything about the brand is so beautiful and hot and sexy and just, it's just, it makes you want to wear it all.

[Sarah]

I love the brown just packaging with.

[Kirby]

The little red accent. So chic.

[Sarah]

So chic.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

So le Skin Weightless Serum Foundation. What is it? Mary describes this as a buildable medium coverage that looks like skin. I fully agree with this totally.

[Kirby]

I messaged her after wearing it for a couple days and I was like, I feel like when I put it on, I can't even feel like I put it on. You know what I mean? Like, it totally just feels like your skin, but better, of course.

[Sarah]

I have a question.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Does it smell sweet to you? There is a coconut. Yes. There is this.

[Kirby]

What is it?

[Sarah]

I don't know what the fragrance is, but when I put it on, at first I thought, oh, what is this from this product? No, it has a hint of sweetness to it that I like.

[Kirby]

I was like, there can't be like coconut oil in this. But it's something, like, very sweet, like you said. And I enjoy it.

[Sarah]

But I totally enjoy it. I've never had a foundation smell. I know.

[Kirby]

I was going to ask for the ingredients, but I just haven't had time. And it's not like it bothers my skin anyways, because I haven't, you know, broken out or anything. My skin loves it.

[Sarah]

My skin loves it.

[Kirby]

It's just. It's how you want your skin to look, especially with this, like, buildable medium coverage. But doesn't feel heavy.

[Sarah]

No, not at all. Also, they talk about how this particular skin. It's not a skin tint. It is a foundation. It's a foundation. The formula is serum.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yes.

[Sarah]

So that's why we keep thinking it's a tint. Because it's so thin.

[Kirby]

Exactly. And when you apply it with the brush that comes with it, or. I don't know. It's probably sold separately.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Kirby]

But it's very light and fluffy. So it's like you're painting on your skin. You feel like an artist.

[Sarah]

It truly is an artist's product, both the brush and this foundation. But she talks about how this will keep your skin looking luminous all day. And I think that's a blessing and a curse, because as someone with combination skin, I constantly have to powder my face all day long. And to really set it, use a ton of setting spray with this. I have noticed I had to do that, but not that I look oily. It's like my skin is continuously being radiant. No, truly. And I hate the word radiant, because it's like, do I want to be radiant? That's the song. The sun is radiant. But, like, I'm a human being. I said it with powder, but I find throughout the day that I do. If I really want, like, matte and, you know, my cheek zone, I have to. Yeah, No, I said it, too.

[Kirby]

Just because I don't want to look super shiny all over. Not that it makes you look shiny, but like you said, it's like, it's very glowy.

[Sarah]

Yeah, but shades are you.

[Kirby]

I am Shade. Medium 150N.

[Sarah]

What are you? No, you're not.

[Kirby]

That's what I am.

[Sarah]

Your medium 150N.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

What are you? I was like, there's no way I'm G50.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

And C60.

[Kirby]

I'm almost 100% sure I looked at it before.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

Does it say medium or whatever? And yours? What?

[Sarah]

Oh, does yours say medium?

[Kirby]

Mine says medium 150N.

[Sarah]

Oh. I didn't see the. The top of it. That Says the medium. Okay. So I don't know what that is, but mine. You said 150N.

[Kirby]

Yeah, so.

[Sarah]

So I have. That's so interesting because usually we're the same. We're very close.

[Kirby]

Which is why this product is amazing, because the shade range is so large.

[Sarah]

So they have 35 shades. And I think the spread is great, considering it's not just a couple of shades for deep dark and a couple of shades for fair. It's a very even spread of all of the different categories of skin tone.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Which is normal at this point.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

I did want to talk, though, about the brand in general. Yeah. You and I have been hype about this brand because obviously we love Mary. We love her technique. We've known her for so long, we got to play with the brand before it actually launched. And we love the lipsticky, the lip liners, everything.

[Kirby]

There was a product that. The underpainting palette.

[Sarah]

Yes. There's a product that was supposed to come out and then didn't come out, and now it's not out.

[Kirby]

Yeah. I've been using it ever since. I hope it comes out one day.

[Sarah]

Same fingers crossed. But the lipstick lesbians made this video saying that they were underwhelmed with the brand. So they have these videos where they go into a Sephora, Ulta, whatever, and then they just talk about a product in front of them or brand in front of them.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Sarah]

And a lot of the comments mimicked the same sentiment that they were expecting more from Mary Phillips and this brand. I can't say I disagree.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Okay.

[Sarah]

But I wanted to give some context here.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Because I made this comment in the thread and a lot of people seem to be like, you know what? This makes sense. The launch, I feel, was rushed.

[Kirby]

I mean. Yeah, I agree.

[Sarah]

Clearly, we had the experience of that, of being told, these are the products that are launching. And then a big part, in our opinion, did not launch.

[Kirby]

Yes. I think that it was. It felt rushed, but also because Mary had been planning this launch for a long time, but I think they didn't realize how many setbacks there were going to be because of shipping issues and delays. So I think that's why they were up to these, like, deadlines where it's like, we have to launch, but we don't have it.

[Sarah]

Yes. And we know that that's to be true for a portion of it.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Right.

[Sarah]

I think the other part of it that was rushed was Sephora wanted her to be a part of that big makeup artist push.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

And you can't be A part of that push if your brand hasn't launched yet.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Sarah]

I think the same way with Hung.

[Kirby]

Yes. Right. So it's not like the formulations were rushed or, like, you know, that they, like, were making these products overnight or anything like that. It was just like you said, the execution of the actual launch in Sephora Y.

[Sarah]

And I said that I felt that this brand would have been better served if it launched now.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And it launched with the underpainting palette and then saved this foundation for a little bit later in the year. Also, she had told us that they are adding two of the underpainting palettes, one for more fair people and one for deeper people, but those still have not come out interesting, which, again, I attribute to the shipping and all of that stuff. But in my opinion, I don't think you can launch any complexion without having a full skew of of shades.

[Kirby]

No.

[Sarah]

You and I love this palette. We are obsessed with this palette.

[Kirby]

I need a new one.

[Sarah]

I need a new one. I think it was a mistake that these are not refillable. I know. I'm already completely gone with my contour in my light palette.

[Kirby]

I literally just want that contour in a separate little tin.

[Sarah]

Yep.

[Kirby]

For me to bring wherever I go, especially when I travel.

[Sarah]

Same. And I want to be able to pop it in the palette.

[Kirby]

Yep.

[Sarah]

Because I love you. Even the brightening and highlighting shades. Totally. So gorgeous on my skin. The formula for me especially. You and I are both 39 years old. Just an absolutely incredible formula for us.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

It looks like skin.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

It doesn't accentuate anything that we don't want accentuated. But that's one thing that I kept thinking, why did they launch these palettes when they weren't fully there yet? And, yeah, if you go into Sephora's, I've been to the one at the Grove and the one at Century City. Every time I've gone, her gondola is barren. There's an entire row that has nothing there, which I'm guessing is probably going to be for this foundation. Okay. But there's not. The lipsiggies aren't fully stocked ever. I do think they rush this in a way that doesn't make a lot of sense, which is a bummer because she deserved a really great rollout.

[Kirby]

Totally.

[Sarah]

And also, I remember I had makeup artist friends being like, what is this Social? Like, they're doing nothing on Social. So weird.

[Kirby]

I think we were saying, too. We were like, we want to see Mary using the products on herself and on her clients. Because that's the magic of her and her technique.

[Sarah]

Yes. If you've noticed, though, I feel like her socials have completely changed. They're really going for it. They have this whole campaign for this particular foundation, and they now have a new CEO. Anna Beals.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Who comes from way. Who I think is really going to turn things around.

[Kirby]

Totally. That was a really smart move. Agreed. I have to say, to your point of everything that you're saying, it would have been amazing if they would have launched this foundation with the palette because it goes so well with each other. Because, remember when we had her on, she was talking about the palette, and we were like, what foundation could you use with this? Especially when you're underpainting. Like, this is the perfect formula because you can literally just go brush it on, and it just blends in really beautifully. I also love this product because you can touch up later in the day and just put it on top, and it just. It's seamless.

[Sarah]

Totally. The texture of the underpainting is perfect for the formula of this foundation.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

This is such a pair, obviously.

[Sarah]

Yeah. They're meant to go together. So congrats to Mary. If you are looking for a new foundation. It's absolutely fabulous.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

And it's a true foundation. It's not a skin tint.

[Kirby]

Exactly.

[Sarah]

Or a BB cream or whatever. Yeah. Balmy. Yeah. We do love the IT cosmetics, but this is a very different product.

[Kirby]

Totally different.

[Sarah]

Gird your loins. This is so exciting. I am unwell. I really wish I was at this particular show. I know. You should have been there, and I'm not a fashion show girly. Okay. But Marc Jacobs teased the return of Marc Jacobs beauty. We thought we were getting it last year. Yeah. We did not.

[Kirby]

And then we were like, are we ever gonna get it?

[Sarah]

Yep. What's going on? So, as you know, Marc Jacobs Beauty ended their licensing deal after 10 years with Kendo. What? 2022. This was a really crazy announcement. It was even announced. Yeah. It was just someone saying that it's going away, and then people dming you the brand, telling me that it wasn't going away.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Very, very odd. But during Marc Jacobs New York Fashion Week show, which he now does ahead of actual fashion week, he announced Marc Jacobs Beauty as the beauty partner for the show, which. What a flex. Absolutely love such a flex. And if you're gonna launch your brand or relaunch your brand and make that announcement, the makeup for this show is literally the perfect way to do it.

[Kirby]

It's so good.

[Sarah]

I am looking at some kohl eyeliners, baby, that I cannot wait to get on my under eye. I still have same.

[Kirby]

I still have.

[Sarah]

I don't use them, but.

[Kirby]

I don't use them, but I cannot part with them. I even have the liquid ones still, of course. All the palettes, eyeshadow palettes.

[Sarah]

Velvet Noir mascara. Takes everything in me not to try to scrape it out of my engraved. Oh, my gosh.

[Kirby]

Yeah, we have ones with our name, right? Yes, yes, yes. Engraved tube. The Omega bronzer.

[Sarah]

Omega bronzer, tantalize.

[Kirby]

I remember I was like, omega.

[Sarah]

The cherry palette. Oh, it's a collector's item.

[Kirby]

It really is.

[Sarah]

But these visuals, I mean, from these, like, juicy kind of pink lips that it looks like maybe a balmy gloss.

[Kirby]

Yeah. Like a tinted lipstick type of balm.

[Sarah]

Then there's this deep red.

[Kirby]

Ooh, that one looks so good.

[Sarah]

The skin is highlighted and juicy. You've got this beautiful pastel blue. You had yellow. I mean, I cannot wait. I am very curious to see, will the packaging be the same and will they bring back the cult favorites, or will he have had to completely change everything since he's now with Cody?

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Totally.

[Sarah]

I hope he truly has the capability to keep stuff because.

[Kirby]

Yeah, I wonder who's on the team. Like, who is heading this? I mean, I'm sure that it's gotta be someone in the circle.

[Sarah]

We're all ears. We're all ears.

[Kirby]

Slide into our DMs if you know.

[Sarah]

Just absolutely love Marc Jacobs. And I know this brand was very important to me. Velvet Noir was my number one mascara ever. So I cannot wait to see, and I just am dying to know when it'll be back and where will it be. In Sephora?

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

We don't know.

[Kirby]

We don't know. I can't wait.

[Sarah]

We got some big news. So that was a tease. This is news. I did not think we'd be talking about the Epstein Files on this podcast, but here we are.

[Kirby]

And again, beauty in politics.

[Sarah]

Yeah. If you didn't want to hear about politics on this podcast, you should have stopped listening a long time ago. So Peter Thomas Roth, who is a founder and the eponymous owner of his own skincare line, is in the Epstein Files. I want to be very clear that being in the Epstein Files does not mean you participated, that you co signed that you did anything illegal.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Or morally wrong.

[Kirby]

There are a lot of people whose names were mentioned. Obama, Jon Stewart. I was listening to a podcast, and there was a reporter who was like, I was so happy to be mentioned Because I was listed as a threat.

[Sarah]

Yes. So there are specific instances where people are mentioned. It doesn't mean they were on the island. Right. Correspondence doesn't equal criminal.

[Kirby]

No. Okay.

[Sarah]

And I will also say there is no proof that Peter Thomas Roth did anything illegal as well. For legal purposes. Want to be very clear about that.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

But he reached out to Jeffrey Epstein between 2004 and 2018. We have since learned that Jeffrey Epstein was Peter Thomas Roth's professor. Dalton and PTR met him when he was 17 years old, and he kept up with him even after leaving Dalton. The emails range from sending Ghislaine Maxwell redacted videos, and I have to assume that the video is of Peter Thomas Roth, but we can't see what it is.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Sarah]

And it's a back and forth between him and Ghislaine to an email he sent to Maxwell in 2007 saying that he and his, I believe, ex wife felt that Jeffrey Epstein was being made an example of during his arrest for soliciting sex from a minor, and that he knew he did nothing wrong and that he would be their friend forever. Okay. What a way to just dig your feet in.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Then there's emails from Jeffrey Epstein in 2017 confirming that Peter Thomas Roth was going to visit his apartment to show, quote, the girls how to use his skincare creams. There's emails that I've reviewed in which PTR is sending tracking numbers for gift bags. He's sending new products along with his favorite magazines that he's mentioned in giving the impression that Jeffrey Epstein heavily invested with in Peter Thomas Roth's brand. Okay. Which would make sense. Jeffrey Epstein was a financier, very well connected, had a lot of power and connections. And in a lot of these emails, you see him setting people up with people that have a lot of money.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Sarah]

All right. But there is one email from Peter Thomas Roth in 2018. He sends a link to a Page Six article about Jeffrey Epstein to Jeffrey Epstein. And the article is about Steve Bannon, where the first line states, quote, steve Bannon shared a secret meeting with reviled billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein at the financier's notorious Upper east side mansion. And then the response to sending that link was PTR saying it was a great picture of Jeffrey. This is where I have and take issue. You're sending a photo to a guy saying he looks great.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

And.

[Sarah]

And the article you're sending is not only his association with Steve Bannon, but then within the first line, it says that he is a pedophile. And talks about his notorious mansion on the Upper east side.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Sarah]

You cannot feign ignorance there.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Right.

[Sarah]

And I think that's what a lot of people are upset about. Sure. This doesn't prove he did any wrongdoing, but everyone's turning a blind eye to what? Get money to have power and connections. This is PTR's statement. And then I would love to hear your point of view.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

He said, jeffrey Epstein was my physics teacher when I was 17, in the 12th grade at the Dalton School. We stayed in touch casually in the nearly five decades that followed. I visited Epstein's Manhattan residence once to show him some skincare products that I shipped to him at his request and left after a brief meeting in his dining room. I was never present with him for any activity that was inappropriate, never attended any of his parties, never flew on his plane, and never traveled to the island. When allegations surrounding Epstein's behavior first surfaced, I was in disbelief that he could commit such heinous crimes. I was gravely mistaken. I'm horrified by the crimes he committed and the lasting impact they have had on his victims. And I deeply regret maintaining any association with him after leaving the Dalton School. Thoughts? I mean, how can you say that.

[Kirby]

When allegations surrounding Epstein's behavior first service. I was in disbelief that he could commit such heinous crimes. And then go back to this email where he says, it was a great picture. Like, that was years after he had already been accused of being a pedophile.

[Sarah]

That is exactly the point. Not even accused. He pled guilty to soliciting sex from a minor in 2008. He went to jail.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

And on top of that was a registered sex offender.

[Kirby]

Right. Right. So it's not like I was in disbelief he could commit such heinous crimes. No, this. You were actually just.

[Sarah]

I was mistaken. Maybe you're common sense and moral compass were gravely mistaken. This is.

[Kirby]

You're lying.

[Sarah]

This is crazy. This is a. This is an insult to our intelligence. Yeah, this is the statement. This is.

[Kirby]

This statement is clearly him just trying to save his ass at this point.

[Sarah]

Like close up shop, dude. This is a man that has a company that primarily has a female customer with men. Women, women, women. You're screwed, dude. I'm sorry. I'm not willing to pretend that this isn't completely insane. I'm sorry. If I heard that you were a. If you got. If you became a sex offender. This podcast does not exist anymore. We are no longer doing this. Same with me. You would do the same thing to me if we found out anyone we were working with was a sex offender. Goodbye.

[Kirby]

Totally.

[Sarah]

We're done. If he's not happening. Right.

[Kirby]

If he had any common sense, he would have parted ways long ago.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Right.

[Kirby]

And like, take your money back. I don't. And maybe then we could have, look, you know, forgiven him. I mean, not forgiven him, but just looked past it. But he like doubled down. He said friends forever.

[Sarah]

Yes. And then he said it was a great picture. Okay, so I have to be very clear about this. When he said they would be friends forever, that was before Jeffrey pled guilty. Right.

[Kirby]

Okay, totally.

[Sarah]

So perhaps maybe then he said, oh shit, we gotta turn things around. That's me giving a benefit of the doubt that I don't think exists, to be completely honest. But no, then the. The good picture thing is over 10 years later, and when he pled guilty to soliciting a minor with sex or for sex, that wasn't just an under the radar thing that was only reported in Palm Beach.

[Kirby]

No.

[Sarah]

Every huge publication had a headline about this. I found them all.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

And I've linked them all into my newsletter. Right. It is crazy. And I think that's why women especially are so upset right now. I'm not hearing really any men at all talk about this stuff. There are exceptions. But the women are wondering, where is the conversation from these powerful men? Why aren't they saying anything about this? Why aren't they doing. It's clear that they're willing to turn a blind eye for their own gain. I will also say that there are other beauty people that I found within the Epstein files. One being Frederick Fokey, the hair stylist and founder. I'm not sure his brand exists anymore. And in there he's mentioned or his name is mentioned over 1100 times. Mostly a mix of salon receipts and appointments. But there is also actual correspondence between him and Jeffrey Epstein. I outline it all in my newsletter. Again, no proof of wrongdoing, but some emails in which Frederick okay. Is asking Jeffrey Epstein to use his apartments with little to no notice. There is a party in which Jeffrey Epstein asks if Vichai would like Prince Andrew to attend and Vicai says yes. To be completely clear, no allegations had been made against Prince Andrew at that point. But it was also a guest list in which, like there was a guest list which, you know, Vicai was on it. Donald Trump was on it. They asked Donald Trump to be removed. There's a lot going on there. If you want to see more details about that. I do have them all outlined in my newsletter. I guess my point Is this. I'm not here to say that these people participated or even knew of the disgusting crimes being committed while they were having these earlier conversations. But the fact is, like we said, Jeffrey Epstein pled guilty and was a sex offender who served jail time. These people were corresponding with him long after they continued to keep speaking to him.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Sarah]

People were willing to turn a blind eye to a literal sex offender in order to receive his connections, money and power. And we know this because there is an email between the former CFO of Peter Thomas Roth sending someone from Jeffrey Epstein's team financial documents to review, like profits and loss and all that stuff. The pro forma, if you will. So what. What are we doing? Okay, also, at this point, too, can I just say. Sorry to interrupt. Sephora and Ulta, it's time for him to go. This is. This is enough for me.

[Kirby]

I mean, they're just gonna lose money, right? I mean, it's just gonna sit on the shelf, in my opinion. Also, we've seen pictures of his Manhattan residence.

[Sarah]

I'm sorry, if you're going in there.

[Kirby]

For a meeting and you're looking around at the art and everything, I'm. I'm turning around. I'm leaving.

[Sarah]

It is so gross in there. His residences in general have been more widely reported on. Yes. Than any other residence, I think.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Outside of Buckingham Palace. Okay.

[Kirby]

It is creepy.

[Sarah]

Guys, I would love to hear from you guys and gals, I'd love to hear from you. What do you think about this? What do you think Sephora and Ulta should do about carrying this brand? Are we going too hard on Peter Thomas Roth? I don't think so, but let us know.

[Kirby]

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