MAC Listened: Old Favorites Are Back

Summary

Gloss Angeles Podcast Summary
Episode: "MAC Listened: Old Favorites Are Back"
Release Date: February 19, 2025

Hosted by Kirbie Johnson and Sara Tan

In this engaging episode of Gloss Angeles, co-hosts Kirbie Johnson and Sara Tan delve into a vibrant mix of nostalgia, industry insights, and beauty trends. From the enduring legacy of 90s boy bands to the resurgence of iconic makeup brands, the episode offers a comprehensive exploration of what's making waves in the beauty and pop culture landscape. Below is a detailed breakdown of the key discussions and highlights from the episode.

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1. NSYNC vs. Backstreet Boys: A Nostalgic Rivalry

Timestamp: 00:48 – 03:35

Kirbie and Sara kick off the episode by reminiscing about the golden era of boy bands, specifically focusing on the ongoing discussions surrounding NSYNC and the Backstreet Boys. Sara expresses frustration over the lack of an NSYNC reunion, stating, “We're sick and tired of this shit” (00:54). They discuss the backstory of NSYNC's monumental success in 2000, with Sara highlighting, “NSYNC was the first band ever to sell 2 million records in a week” (01:09).

Kirbie shares disappointment upon hearing that the Backstreet Boys are not paving the way for a possible NSYNC reunion, despite initial hopes for 2025. The conversation touches on Justin Timberlake’s solo career and his ongoing tour in South America, with Kirbie noting, “Justin Timberlake's on his merry way through South America... still doing well” (01:25).

2. Speculating on the NSYNC Biopic: Casting Choices and Challenges

Timestamp: 05:27 – 11:37

The hosts transition into a spirited discussion about the anticipated NSYNC biopic. They brainstorm potential actors who could embody the group members, diving deep into character fit and star power. Sara hypothesizes casting options for Justin Timberlake, suggesting "Jack Harlow or Joshua Bassett" (06:20).

She continues, “Timothee Chalamet as J.C. Chazay” (10:14), imagining him in a complex role dealing with schizophrenia, adding, “Imagine Timothee Chalamet wrapped in a straight jacket… that’s gonna be a whole part of the biopic” (10:22). Kirbie expresses excitement over these casting ideas, emphasizing the importance of accurate representation.

They also discuss potential actors for other NSYNC members, such as Gabriel LaBelle for Chris and Lucas Gage for Lance Bass, while critiquing options like Jacob Elordi for Joey Fatone, ultimately seeking actors who can capture the essence without overpowering the characters.

3. Celebrating Casting Updates: Reese Witherspoon as Elle Woods

Timestamp: 11:55 – 14:42

Shifting gears, the hosts share exciting news about Reese Witherspoon being cast as Elle Woods in the upcoming Legally Blonde reboot. Kirbie enthusiastically recounts, “I loved all that. That was great” (12:03), and narrates a heartwarming story where Reese Witherspoon personally informed an actress that she had secured the role without an audition, saying, “I'm just here to tell you that you don't need to audition for anything anymore because you got the part” (12:04).

Sara adds her insights on the casting process, mentioning potential candidates like Elise Bell for Dolly Parton roles and discussing the importance of authentic representation in biopics. The conversation underscores the significance of casting that honors the original characters while bringing fresh talent into the spotlight.

4. MAC Cosmetics: A Revival of Classic Trends

Timestamp: 22:54 – 33:21

The episode revisits MAC Cosmetics, celebrating their strategic campaigns and product launches that have reignited the brand’s presence in the beauty industry. Kirbie and Sara discuss MAC’s recent campaigns featuring celebrities like Julia Fox and Odell Beckham Jr., highlighting the brand’s innovative approach to timeless products. Sara remarks, “MAC has always had their Viva Glam campaign, and that's something that's been very steadfast for them” (26:46).

They explore MAC’s collaboration with Luar Fashion during Fashion Week, unveiling a coveted $295 makeup bag that has sold out rapidly. Sara shares her admiration, “This is a cute little tote... I would not be able to live without this bag” (27:13), emphasizing the practicality and stylish design that appeals to beauty enthusiasts.

Additionally, the hosts analyze MAC’s introduction of new nude shades and the strategic naming conventions, such as differentiating between “Cool Spice” and the original “Spice” to avoid consumer confusion. Sara concludes, “I think Mac is back in a big way. Back in the conversation, at the very least” (30:36), indicating MAC’s successful repositioning in the market.

5. Product Spotlight: Odell’s Volumizing Foam

Timestamp: 17:24 – 22:56

Kirbie and Sara delve into a detailed review of Odell’s newly launched volumizing foam, part of their haircare line. They discuss the product’s key features, including its ability to provide eight hours of volume, heat protection up to 450 degrees, and humidity resistance without leaving a sticky residue. Kirbie shares her excitement, “I love this product... it has amaranth, which supports hair thickness and bounce” (17:24).

Sara elaborates on the ingredients, noting the inclusion of rice protein and a vegan thermal shield. They highlight real user feedback, with Sara stating, “90% said that they would recommend the brand to a friend after testing the volumizing foam” (20:19). The discussion also covers constructive criticism, such as the need for more volume for certain hair types and minor concerns about hair crunchiness.

The hosts emphasize the importance of honest reviews and how Gloss Angeles Confidential ensures authentic feedback by guiding testers on proper usage. Kirbie concludes the segment by encouraging listeners to try the product, available at multiple retailers and online platforms.

6. Nostalgia Segment: Obsessive Compulsive Cosmetics' Legacy

Timestamp: 33:21 – 40:12

In a heartfelt segment, Sara introduces a throwback to Obsessive Compulsive Cosmetics, a beloved brand that revolutionized the lipstick market with its innovative Liptar product. She reminisces, “They changed the game... it really was the first ever vegan and cruelty-free beauty line” (34:16). Sara nostalgically describes the unique application method using a paintbrush and the wide array of vibrant, long-lasting shades.

Kirbie and Sara lament the brand’s abrupt closure in 2018 due to conflicts with Sephora over distribution and exclusivity agreements. Sara explains, “We have to shutter the brand... nobody's been able to nail the formula” (38:25). The discussion underscores the impact Obsessive Compulsive Cosmetics had on the beauty industry and the void its absence has created.

Sara passionately advocates for the brand’s revival, expressing her desire to see Liptar and other iconic products return to the market. She shares, “I miss Obsessive Compulsive cosmetics... I miss lip tar, I miss anti feathered” (39:53), igniting a call to action for fans and industry insiders to consider a comeback.

7. Final Thoughts and Recommendations

Timestamp: 40:33 – End

As the episode draws to a close, Kirbie briefly recommends another podcast, Side Hustle Pro, hosted by Nikayla Matthews Akome. Though it's an advertisement segment, it seamlessly ties into the episode’s theme of passion and innovation in the beauty industry.

The hosts wrap up with their signature enthusiasm, urging listeners to stay tuned for more insightful discussions on beauty trends, product reviews, and pop culture intersections in future episodes.

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Key Quotes:

• Sara Tan (00:54): "We're sick and tired of this shit."
• Sara Tan (06:20): "Joshua Bassett was in the new High School Musical TV series with Olivia Rodrigo."
• Sara Tan (10:14): "Timothee Chalamet as J.C. Chazay."
• Sara Tan (26:46): "MAC has always had their Viva Glam campaign, and that's something that's been very steadfast for them."
• Kirbie Johnson (17:24): "I love this product... it has amaranth, which supports hair thickness and bounce."
• Sara Tan (34:16): "It really was the first ever vegan and cruelty-free beauty line."
• Sara Tan (39:53): "I miss Obsessive Compulsive cosmetics... I miss lip tar, I miss anti feathered."

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Conclusion

This episode of Gloss Angeles masterfully blends nostalgia with contemporary beauty trends, offering listeners a rich tapestry of discussions that span from the legacy of 90s boy bands to the resurgence of classic makeup brands and innovative hair products. Kirbie and Sara's insightful commentary, coupled with their genuine enthusiasm, makes for an engaging and informative listen that appeals to both long-time beauty aficionados and new enthusiasts alike.

Transcript

[Kirby]

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[Sarah]

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[Kirby]

Hi, Kirby.

[Sarah]

Hi, Sarah. Welcome to Los Angeles.

[Kirby]

Sarah.

[Sarah]

Tell me why. No, tell me why.

[Kirby]

I know.

[Sarah]

Tell me why. NSync fans continue to be to suffer the lost forgotten fandom. We're sick and tired of this shit. Justin Timberlake.

[Kirby]

We're like the biggest fan base, arguably.

[Sarah]

Listen, NSYNC was the first band ever to sell 2 million records in a week in 2000.

[Kirby]

No. When I got that press release about the Backstreet Boys doing a residency at the Sphere, I got like. I, like, sighed.

[Sarah]

I'm like, yet again, something else to shove in our faces. That NSYNC won't be reuniting. We thought it was gonna be 2025. Doesn't sound like it. Justin Timberlake's on his merry way through South America, apparently on his tour, and it's still doing well through the middle of the year.

[Kirby]

Okay, listen, I feel like I know what's going on in the conversations. And like, everyone, especially besides Justin, is like, let's do this. Like, let's go. And then he's like, mm, I agree.

[Sarah]

I read that there was supposed to be an NSync biopic.

[Kirby]

Oh, right. Okay.

[Sarah]

The Hollywood Reporter did a really great story about this. There was gonna be an NSync biopic or there were discussions.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Nothing is actually happening at the moment. But part of the problem has been that all of the boys have different managers. So it comes into this thing where before they just had one manager and they all own that name.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

But now they all have five different managers. There's five different egos.

[Kirby]

Okay. But if Backstreet Boys can figure it out.

[Sarah]

But Backstreet Boys, none of the Backstreet Boys have ever had a truly successful solo career.

[Kirby]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sarah]

None of them.

[Kirby]

Yeah, none of them.

[Sarah]

And I have to give them credit. I was thinking about this. I was getting ready this morning. I was listening to their new song called hey, which y'all. If you're an NSync fan. You may drag me to absolute filth for saying this, but I have to stand in my truth. In terms of catalog, Backstreet Boys has the better catalog.

[Kirby]

Whoa.

[Sarah]

Their music. I. I'm sorry.

[Kirby]

No, I mean, I used to listen to them, too.

[Sarah]

Of course, they have banger after banger. NSYNC has great music. That means a lot to me.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

It's sentimental, and I have a lot of memories tied to it. But, like, if I'm here, I honestly, I would rather. Y'all are going to hate me for this. I would rather hear I want it that way or larger than life. Then bye, bye, bye. Or it's gonna be me. Maybe not it's gonna be me, but I'm just saying. I know, I know.

[Kirby]

But you know what? You're right. Cause my favorite NSYNC songs were never, like, the singles. They were always like, the.

[Sarah]

Just the track.

[Kirby]

Yeah. The rest of the songs.

[Sarah]

Yeah. There wasn't an NSYNC single that I was obsessed with.

[Kirby]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sarah]

I always. Except for this. I promise you.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Spanish version.

[Kirby]

The Turtlenecks Spanish version.

[Sarah]

I'm telling you right now. So I know I'm gonna get married when this man, JC Chazay, is singing this, I promise you, in Spanish.

[Kirby]

Did you hear it? Start playing.

[Sarah]

When I hear the guitar acoustic playing, I'm gonna look around and go, oh, my God, it's happening. It's happening. No.

[Kirby]

And they're like. They. They all look really good. The Backstreet Boys.

[Sarah]

No, they do. I'm sorry.

[Kirby]

They look great.

[Sarah]

I. Okay. I was a Kevin girl.

[Kirby]

I was a Kevin girl as well.

[Sarah]

It's the dark hair, light eyes. We both love JC And Kevin. And by the way, Kevin. Still fine.

[Kirby]

But arguably, Kevin was the most handsome one.

[Sarah]

He is the most. He's the hottest man.

[Kirby]

I never. Nick Carter. No. Sorry. Not for me.

[Sarah]

Oh.

[Kirby]

See? Not for me. Okay.

[Sarah]

So when I worked at Popsugar, he had a reality show with his wife, and he came in to do an interview. And, I mean, I got it. I got it.

[Kirby]

Okay, Okay.

[Sarah]

I got it. Like, when I was younger, I definitely leaned towards Nick. Like, I loved Nick. Then I grew into Kevin.

[Kirby]

You know why? It's because it's like the.

[Sarah]

Like the baby face.

[Kirby]

The baby face. And he was closer to our age.

[Sarah]

It was like. That's why so many girls love Justin, because he was, like, the most attainable.

[Kirby]

Totally.

[Sarah]

Like, Joey was a grown man.

[Kirby]

Yeah. Joey was a dad.

[Sarah]

But you know what? I saw this video, so it was AJ oh, bye. Love, aj. And by the way, if you still so fit, AJ and Joey, they put on a good show.

[Kirby]

I went to their concert last year, remember?

[Sarah]

But it's like, you realize as you get older that Joey Fatone, there was a reason why the moms were, like, salivating over him. Because he was, like, a man. He had a goatee, red hair. He was constantly sticking his tongue out.

[Kirby]

You're like, who was rooting for Chris?

[Sarah]

There is a contingent of women that loved Chris.

[Kirby]

Who.

[Sarah]

Okay, this is really taking it back. But when I was. I can't remember.

[Kirby]

I died. No.

[Sarah]

I was seeing fan sites as a seventh grader. I'm not kidding. Like, those random fan sites.

[Kirby]

Totally.

[Sarah]

I became pen pals with a girl named Courtney, and Chris was her guy. She loved Chris.

[Kirby]

Interesting. Okay.

[Sarah]

And we would write letters to each other.

[Kirby]

Maybe it was when he had his little, like, braids or whatever.

[Sarah]

So problematic of the pineapple braids. Yes. I mean, this. This. These were the times.

[Kirby]

Yeah, the times.

[Sarah]

These were the times. I think that he looks back and is probably like, what? But Chris. NSYNC would not exist without Chris, actually. Oh, my God. I wrote this down. Can I. Can I read you something? So when I was learning about this NSync biopic, I'm like, okay, who is gonna play who?

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Like, who would be, like, a contender for all of this? Oh, my God, I hope I can find it. It was. This is from Joey's birthday on January 28th.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

So I must have been reading about this around that time. My initial thoughts as Justin. Okay, I'm gonna go in order of the letters and in sync.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Jack Harlow or Joshua Bassett. Do you know Joshua Bassett?

[Kirby]

Let me see. Josh.

[Sarah]

Joshua Bassett was in the new High School Musical TV series with Olivia Rodrigo. He was the epicenter of the drama between her and Sabrina Carpenter.

[Kirby]

Okay. Yes, yes, yes.

[Sarah]

He can sing. He has curly hair. I think that he could nail a Justin Timberlake.

[Kirby]

I feel like Jack Harlow's too old now.

[Sarah]

He is. But I also think that Justin Timberlake is, like, Jack Harlow is who Justin Timberlake wished he was.

[Kirby]

Okay. Yeah. Like that. In his career.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Kirby]

Rapper.

[Sarah]

And I know that they're, like, kind of friendly. And I could see Jack Harlow being a really smooth Justin Timberlake.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Maybe later years.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Okay, I'm gonna go with. Okay. So for Chris Gabriel, Gabriel LaBelle. He was in the Steven Spielberg biopic, and he was also in the Saturday Night Live movie playing Lorne Michaels. Okay. He could do it.

[Kirby]

Yeah. Okay.

[Sarah]

He could do it for Joe Locke from Heartstopper or Agatha all along. Do you know any of these people? They're children, but they have to be, okay.

[Kirby]

Yeah, no, they have to be.

[Sarah]

And then I put a note. Editor's note. Chris started the group, so I think it would be smart to have a potential biopic with him as the narrator. So it has to be a really strong actor. And Gabriel has the gravitas. He's been in, like, Oscar contenders. And Joe, people just love him.

[Kirby]

You guys, she's really thought about.

[Sarah]

I have thought about this. Okay, Spencer House.

[Kirby]

I'm literally Googling everyone that you're saying, okay?

[Sarah]

And to be honest, I cannot remember what Spencer who? Spencer House is.

[Kirby]

Okay? He was born in 1992. He's from Texas. He's from. He was in a movie called Space Force. Teenage bounty hunter Hunter.

[Sarah]

Will you show me his picture? I can't even remember. Yes. Okay. This is the guy from Tell me Lies. Okay. He's one of the actors in Tell me Lies. Spencer House or Jacob Elordi as Joey Fatone. Don't tell me. Do not tell me. There's going to be a whole storyline about Joey being able to get it. Picture Jacob Elordi with a goatee and red hair. He could be Joey.

[Kirby]

No, Jacob Elordi's too handsome.

[Sarah]

He could be. He could be. Joey was handsome.

[Kirby]

No, I'm not saying that. Joey was not handsome.

[Sarah]

A hot man. No, this is like, too.

[Kirby]

You know, it's like too handsome.

[Sarah]

Let him pack on a few pounds just a little. Like, he needs to fill out. Not like he needs to gain a ton of weight, but he needs to fill out his face a little bit with a goatee and red hair. He could get Joey.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Or this guy, Spencer House.

[Kirby]

Okay, okay, okay. What about, like a Noah Centineo? Cause he can pack. He can pack the pounds and, like.

[Sarah]

He'S still, like, he could pass his Italian, I think.

[Kirby]

Oh, my God. Isn't he Italian? Centineo.

[Sarah]

Is that Italian? Isn't it? I. I don't want to get into that territory. I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, maybe.

[Kirby]

Maybe.

[Sarah]

Nova Centinegao.

[Kirby]

Spanish.

[Sarah]

I'm gonna say he's giving. He's giving. Like Latin.

[Kirby]

Okay, so then he's frequent in it in Italy. Okay.

[Sarah]

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[Kirby]

We can put him there.

[Sarah]

You're a.

[Kirby]

Maybe.

[Sarah]

Laugh your ass off at this.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Okay. Do you have any guesses as who Lance Bass could be?

[Kirby]

No, I don't, because I don't know these children who Barry Keegan.

[Sarah]

No, it could work. It could work. Or Lucas Gage.

[Kirby]

Oh, Lucas Gage.

[Sarah]

Lucas Gage could be an excellent Lance Bass.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

Yes. Okay.

[Sarah]

Don't tell me that's not great. Okay. And then you're actually going to die when you hear who I'm suggesting to you.

[Kirby]

Lucas Gage would be great. Okay. Who?

[Sarah]

Okay, look up Thomas Doherty. So Thomas Great was in Tell Me Lies. He was also in the reboot of Gossip Girl.

[Kirby]

Gossip Girl, Yes. Okay. I remember his face.

[Sarah]

His face. He has the dark hair, blue eyes. I think he can sing, potentially.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

Or. And really hear me out on this, everybody, please. Timothee Chalamet as J.C. chazay.

[Kirby]

Okay, I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that. It works.

[Sarah]

It works.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And he can. If he can be Bob Dylan, he can figure out Jason. Can you imagine?

[Kirby]

That's, like, more his wheelhouse.

[Sarah]

Imagine imag. Okay. This is actually the reason why I picked him. Imagine Timothee Chalamet wrapped in a straight jacket.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Being on the COVID of the Schizophrenic album.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

That's gonna be a whole part of the biopic, too. Like, why did Justin rise when JC had schizophrenic like, Timothy would nail.

[Kirby]

Yeah. And he'd obviously be the star.

[Sarah]

He would nail a D, I, D, A, s. All day long I dream about sex. Or all day, whatever. All day I dream about sex. That song. Yeah. Or blowing me up with her love.

[Kirby]

Oh, my gosh.

[Sarah]

Can you imagine him, like, pretending to do, like, the marching band thing? It would work.

[Kirby]

And humping the stage.

[Sarah]

We gotta figure out who's gonna play Lou Perlman. Obviously, Britney Spears is gonna be involved.

[Kirby]

In there, and that's gonna be.

[Sarah]

But it has to be just, like, a really minor key. It can't be, like, a whole thing where she's, like, an integral part of the biopic. So I'm. Cause we have to save the best choices for Britney's actual biopic, which I think is Olivia Holt.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

That's my front runner right now.

[Kirby]

Okay. Is that happening?

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

But I don't know if she's actually doing it. I know that the biopic's happening. I think that Britney in NSYNC biopic should be Addison Rae, because, like, people have been wanting that, but she's like, I wouldn't really fully do it.

[Kirby]

Yeah. And she's gonna be, like, a minor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She'd do really well there. Have you seen. By the way, I loved all that. That was great.

[Sarah]

Thank you.

[Kirby]

Have you seen the Elle Woods. That Reese Witherspoon just cast Elle Woods.

[Sarah]

No. They finally cast her.

[Kirby]

Yeah. And she looks so much like Elle Woods. Like, Reese Witherspoon. It's really, really cute. Hold on, I'm gonna show you. And Reese Witherspoon, like, surprised her in person, and she was like, you know, she made her, like. She drew it out a little bit, and she was like, I'm just here to tell you that you don't need to audition for anything anymore because you got the part. She, like, starts crying.

[Sarah]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kirby]

Stop.

[Sarah]

Okay, hold on. Let me see this. Oh, I didn't watch this. I didn't know what this was. Oh, my God. She is Elle.

[Kirby]

She's so cute.

[Sarah]

Oh, I saw this girl's video. Oh, my God.

[Kirby]

Good for her. So cute.

[Sarah]

How freaking cute. She looks just like Elle Wis.

[Kirby]

I know. It's crazy.

[Sarah]

It's like a baby Reese, but, like, not.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Oh, my God. Good for her. I'm so happy for her. That is so cute.

[Kirby]

And then they included, like, Reese talking about how, like, during the casting process, she was like. It was really weird to see, like, so many me's from back then.

[Sarah]

Totally.

[Kirby]

I was like, that's so crazy.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Yes. I think that this open casting call thing is great.

[Kirby]

Yeah, it's a great idea.

[Sarah]

They're doing it with Dolly right now. And there is this girl who is. There's two girls that I'm really gunning for. One, her name is Elise Bell. She's a Broadway type. I think she's been on Broadway. Forgive me, listeners, If I'm not 100% on that. But incredible voice. And she sings exactly like Dolly. Like, I'm like, if you are not casting her, what are you doing? And then there's this woman who literally impersonates Dolly from the uk and she also sounds a lot like her, but she's older.

[Kirby]

Older. Okay. Okay.

[Sarah]

So they've already. They have, like, two in. They have two younger dollies that they're testing out, and then they have these 15 other dollies potentially.

[Kirby]

And does Dolly have a part? Does she have a say?

[Sarah]

Yes. Like, she's basically helping to pick.

[Kirby]

Oh, my God.

[Sarah]

But that's what they need to do with Britney. Britney will not be a part of, like, any of that, unfortunately. And good for her. That's her own thing. But they have. I feel like they do need to go either if Olivia Holt doesn't get it. They need to do, like, total unknown.

[Kirby]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think so, too. I don't some. Cause I Feel like if it's too big of a name and too big of a personality, then it's like, that's all you see when you're watching the movie.

[Sarah]

People are like, sydney Sweeney. I'm like, are y'all on crack? Have you. They have to actually look a little bit.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Or the prosthetics have to be so good.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

It has to be like, Lily James and Pam and Tommy.

[Kirby]

Yeah. Yeah. But I think you're right for, like, a Britney Spears biopic. Like, it needs to be someone.

[Sarah]

A complete unknown.

[Kirby]

If you will.

[Sarah]

If you will.

[Kirby]

Yeah. So if you get invited to the Sphere, will you go?

[Sarah]

Yes. I'm also trying to get tickets. Like, this is the thing. Like, I'm upset for myself and any NSync fan for the fact that we have to suffer through more Backstreet Boys announcements and Justin Timberlake never seemingly going off tour.

[Kirby]

Yes. Yeah.

[Sarah]

Which. Jt, I mean, please, this is. You need image rehab. This is, like, the best thing you could do. I just. This man is a glutton for punishment. I do not understand it.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

I love him dearly, but, like, I need to study his brain as to why he behaves in this fashion.

[Kirby]

I mean, his ego is just getting out of control.

[Sarah]

I mean, I've maybe a ban. Out of control anyways. Maybe one day we'll get an NSYNC reunion before they're all 50.

[Kirby]

Chris is 50. I need to be able to, like, move and dance, so the sooner the better.

[Sarah]

Like, next year, JC is gonna be 50.

[Kirby]

Yeah, that's fine. They're still hot. They could still get it, so it's okay.

[Sarah]

And, like, we're approaching our 40s, so they need to get it together and with the swiftness.

[Kirby]

Okay. I feel like 2025 is the year of volume.

[Sarah]

Pump up the volume.

[Kirby]

Like, all of a sudden, everyone's like, let's go. Volume in my hair.

[Sarah]

I want big, fat hair.

[Kirby]

I know. I mean, I always have, so I welcome it.

[Sarah]

I'm from Texas, so, like, closer to God. That's the hair. And, you know, the conversation around thin hair has been, like, very prominent on social media. People talking about, like, hair shedding, hair thinning, like, alopecia, postpartum hair loss, like, all of these different things. So if you like volumizing products, we've been seeing a lot of them just in general, like, volumizing, thickening, things like that for our Glamgellinos, who test products for us in our Slack group, which you can join through our link in our bios or on our show notes, they have been testing this new product that officially launched. Yeah, it's launched already and it's available. It is Odell's volumizing foam. And if you're like Odell, that rings a bell. Odell also. Yeah, we love rhymes. Odell activated with us last year on a scalp and body scrub that our listeners tested as well and loved. And so they were like, let's come back for round two. They gifted everybody the volumizing foam, which offers eight hours of volume heat protection up to 450 degrees and humidity protection to help minimize flyaways with zero sticky residue or crunch. Sarah and I have talked about how usually if you're putting something in your hair, it's going to act as a heat protector of sorts. This claim, though, has been actually tested to withstand up to 450 degrees.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Which is great.

[Kirby]

I love, like, I know that we have tried, you know, volumizing sprays. Obviously there's powders, things like that. I love a foam. Like, I've always been like a mousse girl. And so I think that for me, like, it, it really. I really feel like it's. I'm able to get it all over, you know, the roots of my hair. So I love this product. So it has amaranth, which supports hair thickness and bounce, rice protein, which helps volumize and boost shine. And then to Kirby's point, it has a heat protectant thanks to a vegan thermal shield, which helps prevent heat damage up to 450 degrees, which, if you're actually using that much heat in your hair, that's crazy.

[Sarah]

But you know what, some of these, these tools, they automatically go there. And so you're not adjusting it really? I mean, totally. I am not looking at my T3 curling iron.

[Kirby]

Do you go to the highest level?

[Sarah]

I don't go to the highest one, but I also don't know what the highest thing on is. I'm sure it's not 500. I'm sure maybe 450 is the highest.

[Kirby]

I think I go to, like the second or third level, which is probably pretty high.

[Sarah]

I go to four, so I'm really up there. So I definitely need to protect.

[Kirby]

You see the steam coming off. Wait.

[Sarah]

Do you know what thermal shields or heat protectants are usually made of? I'm interested in this. Vegan.

[Kirby]

Yeah. No, I don't know. Actually. That's a good question.

[Sarah]

We should reach out. But this is also made without SLS or sles. Sulfates, formaldehyde, phthalates, parabens, dyes, synthetic fragrances. If that is something you guys are super worried about. Of course Sarah and I have our own thoughts on those things. But we also like to announce it, as a lot of people in our testing group do ask, is this made without fragrance? Is it made without parabens? Things like that. All right, so if you are curious about the volumizing foam, as with every Glos Angeles Confidential seating, when the product launches, you can go and actually search for Gloss Angeles Confidential in the reviews and you will see authentic, verified, real people reviews so you know that they're from an actual person. And if you don't know about this program, we don't tell people what they have to say. Yeah, we don't say this has to be a glowing review. It really has to be based on their own personal experience. The only thing we do is we walk them through exactly how to use the product, what the claims are so they can test against it properly, and then how to leave a review that is fair and constructive if it didn't work for them.

[Kirby]

Exactly.

[Sarah]

So here's some stats and a few reviews that we'll read. 50% of our testers had never tried Odell before, but 86% of them said that they would purchase an Odell product in the future having tried this. And 90% said that they would recommend the brand to a friend after testing the volumizing foam.

[Kirby]

That's great.

[Sarah]

So they got a lot of fans from this.

[Kirby]

Yeah, for sure. So some of the reviews are great product at an amazing price. I did love it that it minimized flyaways and it smelled great. Someone said they want to bring it to their salon. They said they enjoyed the experience of receiving this sort of mini PR kit. They thought it was very thoughtful. And then this other tester said that she had participated in the scalp scrub, which made her an Odell fan already. So now she's calling herself an Adele loyalist, which we love. And she's also buying more of their products.

[Sarah]

There is some feedback which I think is important to share. This says it did take me a little bit to find my groove with the product. I focused on the directions that said to focus at the roots. When I did that, I didn't see much, if any, lift happening. And for reference, that this person has long, fine, wavy, slash curly hair and a lot of it. But once this person focused on the length of her hair, she started seeing body and volume in her waves and curls and she fell in love with the. So it maybe takes a few tests to figure out how it works best. It seems like it's indicated obviously to be used at the root for that volume and lift. But a lot of people actually, in the responses that I was reading said I actually like it more for like body. It like, helps almost width wise versus height wise.

[Kirby]

Oh, interesting.

[Sarah]

And most of the criticisms that were received about the product were that they wanted more volume.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

And that they did feel a slight quote unquote crunch to the hair, which.

[Kirby]

I guess is like normal with a foam.

[Sarah]

With a foam or a mousse. So, yeah, I think it depends obviously on your hair type, how much hair you do have. And then, you know, because if you do have more hair, potentially it might not get as high as you want. But I also think that if you are scared of having too much volume, that this could be a good starter volume foam.

[Kirby]

Yeah, I. That's the thing that I love about Gloss Angels Confidential is the fact that I feel like brands learn something about these new products. Right. They're like, oh, actually, like, we're learning that people like to use it from, you know, root to tip. Like, I think it's. It's like almost. I mean, it is a focus group. It's a testing group. Right.

[Sarah]

So it helps with the messaging of, like, how to use the product or even on social, like. Okay, this is how it's indicated. But maybe we go a different direction and try to help people realize how many different ways you can use the product.

[Kirby]

Yes. Okay. So the Odell volumizing foam is $12. You can read all of the reviews on odellbeauty.com and you can find it at Ulta, Amazon, CVS and Target.

[Sarah]

Great price points.

[Kirby]

Yeah, I love it.

[Sarah]

We have some news. Sarah, is Mac back?

[Kirby]

Did it leave? No, it sort of did. There was a. There was. It's never left, but I feel like it was just like left out of the conversation.

[Sarah]

Okay, Great way to put it. We've talked about this before. When we were at Amazon, we mentioned, is Mac actually driving trends anymore? I don't think so.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And I stand by that. However, I'm not. I stand by that.

[Kirby]

Okay. Okay.

[Sarah]

But they have products that are tried and true.

[Kirby]

Yes, yes.

[Sarah]

And I will say this till I'm blue in the face. I will always go out and pick up a Mac Gigablack Lash Mascara.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Until the day I die. That is a mascara I will always have on my person. It will always be in my drawer. I will always have it because I know it works. So many Mac colors. Ruby Woo Stone Gray. There's so many standard. They're just the blueprint.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

For so many things. I mean, the brand's almost 40 years old. Next year it'll be 40, which is bonkers.

[Kirby]

Yeah. And I feel like if anyone has trouble finding their foundation shade, it's like.

[Sarah]

Just go to Mac, go to Mac, go to Mac, go to Mac. Get it figured out. So I don't think that they have ever been irrelevant. I just don't think that they are driving the trends they once used to with their products, like with their Fix Plus.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Sarah]

Like, they were really innovative in their product formulas for a very long time and now I think we're seeing that elsewhere. I think that they just have the staples that a lot of people are taking the blueprint and then kind of elevating off of.

[Kirby]

Yep.

[Sarah]

But they are back in the conversation, baby.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

So last year we saw this rise of the cooler tones. It's these cool tone palettes, cool tone lip products, cool tone contours, which like arguably contour should always be cool toned. And there's been influencers on TikTok specifically that focus solely on cool tones, which is really, really fascinating to me. And we love Aaron Parsons, beauty historian. She was the one that kind of got the conversation back of, okay, so Max Spice iconic lip color does not look like the original formula.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Then we get Vic Casal from Mob Beauty, who literally created those formulas and.

[Kirby]

Shared with us, like, the actual shade, like in his notebook in his little.

[Sarah]

Like lab that he wrote in 1989.

[Kirby]

So sweet.

[Sarah]

And it just spawned all of this conversation where Mob even made essentially a dupe of Vic's own product from 30 something years ago. That's M1990 lip pencil, one of my absolute favorites. I buy it. I also have that on my person at all times because it's such a great shade. But Mac said, oh, okay. If we're gonna be getting duped and people are gonna be talking about these long lost products and bringing back these certain products, then we're just gonna figure it out. So there are so many headlines around Mac that I just wanted to share a few of them with the listeners and you because there's just a ton. So this says Mac Nude's campaign included Martha Stewart, Julia Fox, Odell Beckham Jr. And Tiffany New York Pollard stripping down with the tagline I only wear. Mac, did you see this?

[Kirby]

Yes, yes, yes. Julia Fox was like basically naked on.

[Sarah]

The subway, totally nude on the subway, probably with like a merkin and some pasties or something. And I thought it was really smart. It reminded me a lot of the PETA ads. It's almost akin to, like, a Got Milk ad with the signature mustache. I think this is something that they can keep up for decades moving forward. You know, Mac has always had their Viva Glam campaign, and that's something that's been very steadfast for them. And their products are steadfast. But I think this is, like, a really fresh, relevant take on the brand that we can continue to see throughout the future.

[Kirby]

Yes, yes.

[Sarah]

Then they did something really fun on social. They leaked their nudes, quote, unquote. So they launched, I believe, 28 new nude shades in a variety of different tones and things like that. And initially, it was. They posted on Close Friends, and it was like, we're leaking our nudes, and everyone was like, what the hell is going on here? And it was a really smart way to just drum up excitement.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

And also kind of tease to people, like, some stuff is coming back.

[Kirby]

Yep.

[Sarah]

We're going to have some of your favorites come back. They launched this makeup bag during Fashion Week, which I am so absolutely jealous of anyone that got this bag. I believe they gifted it to a few people, and you could buy it, but you cannot. It's sold out, and for good reason. It's a $295 bag that was in a collaboration with the fashion brand Luar. And you open up. It's a cute little tote, and you open it up, and there are pockets for all of your products. Cute on the sides.

[Kirby]

So smart.

[Sarah]

I have been literally trying to think of a way to create some kind of mini thing for my makeup brushes so that I could keep them with me in, like, a clutch of some sort. Cause I actually like having some makeup brushes on me throughout the day. This. I would not be able to live without this bag.

[Kirby]

Oh, and it has a little mirror, too.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Kirby]

That's really smart. Yeah. Because, I mean, how many times has, like, a lipstick cap, like, opened up in your purse and then it's gotten all over everything? Or, like, you're like, this is really unsanitary that I'm, like, using my brush.

[Sarah]

Right now, like, my powder puffs, too, just thrown in my purse, like, with your.

[Kirby]

I mean, if you have your keys.

[Sarah]

Yeah. It's, like, disgusting. Disgusting. So I think it's pretty brilliant that they did this.

[Kirby]

Oh, it's super cute. Oh, it has the little Mac logo on the handle.

[Sarah]

Yep.

[Kirby]

Very chic.

[Sarah]

Very chic and very smart. I think that's a very smart collaboration that works for both brands.

[Kirby]

I'm surprised it sold.

[Sarah]

Oh, I am upset because I was going to buy it, like, truly. Truly. I was looking on ebay, too. I'm like, oh, my God, the prices are crazy. Then last year, they took beauty historian Aaron Parsons to the Mac archives to show off OG products, which I think is really smart, since she was really driving that conversation. And when they released their new nude line, they brought back the original Mac spice, except now it's called Cool Spice. So the spicy.

[Kirby]

So they're adding in now that it's different.

[Sarah]

So the spice they have now is warm. Warm, yeah. I don't know. I understand why they're calling this new one Cool Spice.

[Kirby]

I think it would have cost them too much to, like, change the name of their current spice to just. To Warm Spice.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Kirby]

It would be too much work, and.

[Sarah]

There'S just too much consumer confusion. If someone goes in and is like, I'm looking for warm. I'm looking for the original spice. And they're like, wait, well, the new original spice or the old original spice.

[Kirby]

They should have done, like, what Pillow Talk did, where it's like Pillow Talk, didn't they? It's like numbers.

[Sarah]

Right? So Pillow Talk has the original.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

They have medium.

[Kirby]

Yes. Or. Okay, medium. Yes.

[Sarah]

And then I don't know if they have a light.

[Kirby]

Yeah, maybe they don't. Or, like. Yeah, like, they should have just. Or even, like, the year they could have added that at the end or something to differentiate. But I do think maybe. Maybe they'll, like, get rid of this spice.

[Sarah]

1990.

[Kirby]

Yeah, it would feel.

[Sarah]

Also, it's hard because then Mob has their.

[Kirby]

Oh, right. Then that would be.

[Sarah]

So then they feel like, a little too much of a dupe of.

[Kirby]

Have you asked Vic what he feels about this?

[Sarah]

No, but I. I mean, I'm sure.

[Kirby]

He'S, like, thrilled that's his. Yeah, it was.

[Sarah]

They own it. You know, it's inevitable. It's like, what they were gonna do. So I do think Mac is back in a big way. Back in the conversation, at the very least.

[Kirby]

Back at the conversation. I'm curious to see if the younger generation is, like, catching on.

[Sarah]

No, I think they are. Like, that's why I'm even bringing this up, because I'm so.

[Kirby]

You see them talking about it.

[Sarah]

Yes. Like, they know Mac shades now. They know names of Mac product. I mean, not Gen Alpha. Like, they're not wearing grays. You know what I mean? But, like, not yet, But I would like to see some more innovation from Mac. I think the last innovation I'VE really seen for them was like, the Mac Stack mascara. I'm not a big, big fan of that mascara, but I, I, Oh. And they. Yeah. Was it Mac Stack? Yeah. Because they kept calling it, like, a dry shampoo for your lashes.

[Kirby]

And I feel like they try with the new skincare products, but I just don't, like, I don't think of Mac when I think of skincare.

[Sarah]

No. The only thing I really think of for Mac when I think of skincare is the strobe cream.

[Kirby]

Yeah. But that's not even. I don't even call that skincare.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Also interesting news is that their creative director, Drew.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Has left the building. No, he left. So he all of this. Okay.

[Kirby]

Where'd he go?

[Sarah]

We're gonna find out. We'll know by the time this goes live. Rachel Strugotts at Puck has the scoop. I was dming with her the other day. I'm like, I'm fascinated by this. So he left, and apparently what happened is he told Mac, I have another opportunity. So he's going to a different beauty brand.

[Kirby]

Who do we think it is?

[Sarah]

I have no idea. I would have to say. I, I would think it would be someone new, Like a new brand.

[Kirby]

And he is so, like, iconic. I don't wanna say punk, but he's like, you know, he's an artistic, creative, very, like, avant garde type of person. So I feel like it has to be a very fun brand.

[Sarah]

Yes. It has to be something where he can really shine and spread his wings.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Yeah. If you're not familiar, Drew Elliott is the global creative director of Mac Cosmetics. Well, he was up until this past week. Rachel reports that he told the Estee team that he had this gig, this new gig, and they essentially showed him the door, which is pretty normal in this type of circumstance. I mean, he's very high up at Mac. Apparently, Estee also got rid of their, like, trend team, and it was essentially associated. Rachel was reporting that it was the Mac team that oversaw trends and innovation, and they were all let go. But apparently that was a part. It was an Este team, and Estee was like, there was too much crossover. So we. That's what happened.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

That's the word on the street, according to Rachel Strugatz at Puck. But I'm really curious to see if.

[Kirby]

It'S, like, a new brand or an existing brand that needs the same sort of refresh.

[Sarah]

Perhaps, perhaps. And maybe, just maybe, he's going to revive a brand that I would like to speak about.

[Kirby]

Oh, I feel like you know something?

[Sarah]

Welcome back to Ms. Continued today. My friends, this is hard. This is a hard one for me because this brand was near and dear to my heart for so long and it abruptly shuttered in 2018. Sarah, hi. Do you remember Obsessive Compulsive Cosmetics?

[Kirby]

I do. Like, when I was looking at the doc and I saw this name, I immediately pictured the packaging of the Liptar.

[Sarah]

Okay. If you do not know or have never heard of Obsessive Compulsive Cosmetics, they changed the game. They changed the game. This brand blew up with Liptar. Liptar. Very aggressive name, very harsh name. But it really was unlike any other product on the market. It had the longevity of a lipstick with the application of a gloss.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

And I'm not talking like you had a doe foot applicator in a tube and applying. You had. It was a little paint tube with the little tiny paintbrush and you applied it to your lips. It packed a punch of pigment unlike anything else. It felt amazing. It was the first ever vegan and cruelty free beauty line.

[Kirby]

Wow.

[Sarah]

I know.

[Kirby]

Even ahead of Urban Decay. Wow.

[Sarah]

Apparently. Apparently truly vegan and cruelty free.

[Kirby]

Okay, okay.

[Sarah]

It was. I wrote in here, it was pigmented as fuck. And it was.

[Kirby]

And it came in like really fun colors.

[Sarah]

Yes. So that was the whole thing is that this lip paint, it was before any other paints, if you want to call them that on the market. And it really ushered in the brightly colored lip product era.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Like before that it was like, you know, shades that you could play with and maybe one off color from a brand. This. Not only were there so many different shades to play with, I believe 55 in total, but you could, because they were paint like products, you could mix them and create your own shade, which was amazing. And they came in a million different finishes.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

You had matte, glossy, holographic, sparkle, frost, shimmer. Whoa. So many. The list goes on. It also had peppermint oil in it. And so it smelled really good. It gave your lips a little. I remember when I. Yes. When I first got this product, I know it was called lip tar. Okay. So please do not judge me. It was called lip tar. But I remember when I first got it, I was a little baby beauty editor. I put some on my eyes. I'm a fucking idiot. And well, it's a pink.

[Kirby]

It's in a paint too.

[Sarah]

And it really made my eyes like I. I was feeling it because of the peppermint oil. Okay. So like, just make sure you read the instructions before you apply any products. Learn from Baby Kirby.

[Kirby]

Oh, my gosh.

[Sarah]

But they had shades like Grandma, which was this coral pink. Like you were a Palm beach grandma with, like this. And people were obsessed with this color. Black Dahlia, a true black and techno pagan, which it was like this electric purple shade. I mean, people were losing their minds. These were the lip colors that made people turn their heads. And they didn't just make lip tar. They made a bunch of other great products. I still have the original Loose Shimmer products.

[Kirby]

You do?

[Sarah]

Yes. They were beautiful. I mean, I definitely should not put them on my face, but I still have them.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

They also made lip pencils. And I want to call out one specifically that I think is so genius. And I think that Half Magic has kind of replicated this in a different way. So go with me here. These lip pencils, you know, they were beautiful. And they were meant to keep your lip tar from bleeding or out, you know, from around your mouth. They had one specifically called Anti Feathered. It was clear. Do you remember this?

[Kirby]

No, I don't.

[Sarah]

I was obsessed with this product. So you could use it to outline your lips.

[Kirby]

Uh huh. And it keeps it.

[Sarah]

Yes. And it didn't matter. Yes. It basically helped shape the lip without giving any color. So you didn't have to worry about trying to match some of these extremely bright shades with a lip product or alternatively use an eye pencil that maybe was not meant to be put on the lips.

[Kirby]

So wait, you said Half Magic has something similar.

[Sarah]

So Half Magic did something similar. Cause also it was kind of like a cleanup tool. Yeah, I think it's very similar to their magic flick eraser.

[Kirby]

I see what you're saying. Okay.

[Sarah]

So it's a very specific type of product that helps clean up in a way and keep things put. And you could also use this particular. It's not even a shade. It was clear, it was invisible. But you could use it on your eyes. So it would almost work as like a primer for your liner.

[Kirby]

Oh.

[Sarah]

So you could apply a wing with that. Clear. And then go over it with like a powder or some type of liquid pen or even another pencil, and it would stay put.

[Kirby]

Okay.

[Sarah]

It was brilliant.

[Kirby]

So wait, where did it go?

[Sarah]

Okay, so it was a huge drama. And actually, if you go to Vox, they have a big rundown of this.

[Kirby]

There was a lawsuit with Sephora.

[Sarah]

Yes. Yes. It was a huge deal. So the brand was established in 2004 by David Classfield, and then it abruptly shuttered. I mean, like, was removed from every website, the Instagram page. Like, everything went away in 2018. Okay. And then apparently what happened is there was some discrepancies between the agreement between Sephora and David Classfield and Obsessive Compulsive Cosmetics regarding stocking the product, promotion of the product, things of that nature and what Sephora would actually contribute to. If you guys want to read the whole dirty details of it all, it's really fascinating if you don't understand how retailer relationships work. But essentially Obsessive Compulsive Cosmetics was like, we cannot sustain this brand anymore based off of what Sephora is asking us to do in terms of exclusivity, in terms of the amount of product we have to provide and the amount of other retailers that we are turning away. So we are, we have to shutter the brand and haven't had anything even remotely similar since. Nobody's been able to nail the formula. Nobody's been able to really provide, in my opinion, my humble opinion, provide something like this that was truly innovative and different from everything else on the market.

[Kirby]

And why, I mean, I need to read the story, but why can't they bring it back and just go dtc?

[Sarah]

That is for David Classfield to answer. So, David, I'm coming to you to say I miss Obsessive Compulsive cosmetics. I miss lip tar, I miss anti feathered, I miss all the things and I would love to see a revivaled. That is my miscontinued.

[Kirby]

That's a good one.

[Sarah]

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