Patrick Ta Beauty, Hair Color Litigation Chaos and More TikTok Drama

Summary

Gloss Angeles Podcast Episode Summary

Episode Title: Patrick Ta Beauty, Hair Color Litigation Chaos and More TikTok Drama
Release Date: December 18, 2024
Hosts: Kirbie Johnson and Sara Tan
Description: In this episode of Gloss Angeles, Kirbie Johnson and Sara Tan delve into personal reflections on burnout, dissect recent TikTok controversies in the beauty industry, and explore broader issues affecting beauty creators today.

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Personal Reflections on Burnout and Career Uncertainty

The episode opens with Kirbie sharing her recent feelings of burnout and uncertainty about her career path. She mentions a heartfelt Instagram story that resonated with many followers, highlighting a collective struggle within their community.

Kirbie [00:49]: "I posted on my Instagram story last week about how I was feeling so burnt out and that I feel that I don't know what I'm doing in my life. Do I want to forge ahead in this career that I have?"

Sara echoes these sentiments, discussing the universal nature of year-end fatigue and the challenges of maintaining momentum amidst personal exhaustion.

Sara [01:33]: "I feel like we are all burnt out. We all don't know what we want."

The Pressure of Social Media and Algorithm Dependence

Kirbie and Sara delve into the pressures exerted by social media platforms like TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube. They discuss how the relentless push for content creation and algorithmic favoritism can exacerbate feelings of inadequacy and burnout.

Kirbie [09:30]: "We're also slaves to the algorithm, right? If I don't post for a certain amount of time, then the people that normally encourage you, if you're going viral, you want to keep posting so that people see more of your stuff."

Sara adds that the unpredictable nature of these algorithms often leads to frustration and a diminished sense of control over one's online presence.

Sara [10:32]: "There's no rhyme or strategy. It makes no sense."

Exploring Astrological Influences on Personal Well-being

The conversation briefly touches on astrological perspectives related to burnout. Kirbie references Aliza Kelly's insights on planetary retrogrades affecting mental clarity and life decisions.

Kirbie [07:46]: "Apparently astrologically, a lot of things are going on. A lot of planets are retrograde."

Patrick Ta Beauty Controversy: Creator Compensation Issues

A significant portion of the episode focuses on the controversy surrounding Patrick Ta Beauty and alleged non-payment to beauty influencer Ivana Sunshine. Kirbie explains how Ivana publicly criticized the brand for not compensating black creators, leading to widespread discussion on TikTok.

Kirbie [22:16]: "There's a beauty influencer, she has about 400,000 followers on TikTok. She claimed that she was not compensated by Patrick Ta Beauty for promoting his beauty products this past spring."

Sara and Kirbie analyze Patrick Ta's response, which included multiple apologies and attempts to rectify the situation, though skepticism remains about the company's internal processes.

Kirbie [24:07]: "It's clear she probably got these in PR... they have no idea. They have no idea."

The hosts emphasize the broader issue of delayed payments in the beauty industry, criticizing standard net 60 or net 90 payment terms as unsustainable for creators.

Kirbie [27:21]: "I'm not waiting four or five months to get a payment for something I did. It should be illegal."

Hair Color Litigation: The Goldie and Lindsay Drama

Transitioning from beauty product controversies, Kirbie and Sara discuss another TikTok drama involving hairstylist Goldie and her client Lindsay. The conflict arose when Goldie allegedly failed to deliver the desired cool-toned blonde hair, leading Lindsay to destroy the styled products and accuse Goldie of incompetence.

Sara [32:15]: "She specifically asked for cool toned. And Goldie, the hairstylist, did as she said and asked, but the client felt that it was too cool and it looked gray and was very dissatisfied."

The discussion highlights the escalation of personal disputes into public spectacles on social media, questioning the necessity and impact of such actions on the individuals involved.

Kirbie [37:13]: "This did not warrant a six-part series. I understand that likes and views are exciting, but we cannot keep going this direction."

Personal Anecdotes: Bad Hair Experiences

Both hosts share their own experiences with unsatisfactory hair treatments, reinforcing the notion that mistakes happen and advocating for private resolutions rather than public confrontations.

Kirbie [40:07]: "I walked out of that salon with red hair. I need this. And they were like, do you wanna talk to your colorist? I said yes... but then I told her no. Because you said, I am so out of it."

Closing Thoughts: The Need for Community Support and Realistic Expectations

In wrapping up, Kirbie and Sara encourage listeners to step back from social media pressures, prioritize self-care, and foster supportive communities. They advocate for realistic success metrics beyond follower counts and emphasize the importance of valuing personal well-being over online validation.

Sara [16:29]: "If TikTok goes away, I'm sticking to reels. Reels and YouTube shorts. That's where I'm going."

Kirbie [16:23]: "Leave your phone in the other room for a little bit."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Kirbie [00:49]: "I posted on my Instagram story last week about how I was feeling so burnt out and that I feel that I don't know what I'm doing in my life."

• Sara [10:32]: "There's no rhyme or strategy. It makes no sense."

• Kirbie [27:21]: "I'm not waiting four or five months to get a payment for something I did. It should be illegal."

• Kirbie [37:13]: "This did not warrant a six-part series. We cannot keep going this direction."

• Sara [16:29]: "If TikTok goes away, I'm sticking to reels. Reels and YouTube shorts."

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Conclusion

In this episode, Kirbie Johnson and Sara Tan offer a candid exploration of the intersection between personal well-being and the demanding nature of the beauty industry's social media landscape. Through personal anecdotes and critical analysis of recent TikTok dramas, they shed light on systemic issues facing creators and advocate for a healthier, more sustainable approach to career and life balance.

Transcript

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[Sarah]

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[Kirby]

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[Sarah]

Hi, Kirby. Hi, Sarah. Welcome to Los Angeles.

[Kirby]

So I posted on my Instagram story last week about how I was feeling so burnt out and that I feel that I don't know what I'm doing in my life. Do I want to forge ahead in this career that I have? Do I want to just find a.

[Sarah]

Farm which resonated with all of us.

[Kirby]

I think so many people DM me. Then I put up my feed and then even more people started commenting. And it's kind of crazy to see people that I respect and think are absolutely killing it saying the exact same thing.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Where there's.

[Sarah]

There's like something about literally obviously it being the end of the year and everyone is just like, you start to like mentally check out, but you can't because there's still so much shit to do.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And I feel like I was telling Matt, I was like, I wish we were like Europe where we all got like either the summer off where we really can just like check out for a little bit because I think it makes a huge difference. Or at the end of the year we literally get the last like two to three weeks off.

[Kirby]

I mean, it's not fair. I know in the entertainment world, especially in la, we're lucky because everybody basically closes their doors on the 20th and then we don't return till Golden Globes, essentially, which is very different from how most people operate. But I'm just here to say that if you are feeling like you have no idea what's going on, apparently astrologically there are a lot of things happening as well.

[Sarah]

When this airs, Mercury, will it still.

[Kirby]

Be in retrograde potentially? I don't know.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

I've really checked out of the Mercury in retrograde conversation, even though it really has been retrograding because I not only lost a bunch of important files I needed from a red carpet. Crazy stuff. I mean, it was from your phone. Yeah. Disappeared into thin air. Apple has no idea. I called Apple because I did the Astra Awards carpet. This is where all this is stemming from. So on not this past Sunday, but the Sunday before, I went to report from the Astro Awards.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

And this was the first time I'm being invited as Kirby vs Kirby for this brand or publisher or whatever. So I was very excited. And John Chu was going to be there and honored, and I really, really, really wanted to interview him. But then I saw a bunch of other people that I thought would be interesting. So I. When you're on a carpet, you interview everyone. Yeah, yeah. So I ended up interviewing 10 people I since have recounted the last one being John Chu. He was so kind. He interviewed with everyone. He went to everybody on the press line, which is unheard of, and gave me five minutes, which was great. And then after that, I was so excited. I have two phones. I have my phone I record on and then my phone that I'm holding my questions on and the phone that I was recording on, I was using it. It was my 13 because that's what my mic can connect to. Buy a new mic. Immediately afterwards, I sent the video from my 13, airdropped it to myself. Thank God I did this, even though I didn't would technically not have to, because I share.

[Sarah]

It's on a cloud.

[Kirby]

The cloud? Yes, on both phones, get home, have the video, edit it, and I publish two different parts of the interview. There's still like two or more questions I want to publish. So the next day, Monday, I'm sitting on my couch, getting ready to edit it, and I'm like, where is this video? I see the videos that I uploaded to TikTok and my Instagram, but where is this full interview? And then I realize none of the interviews are on either of my phones. What? I could not tell you what happened to them. So then I call Apple. They share my screen. It's like, crazy how they can share your screen.

[Sarah]

You're like, remotely. Are you doing this?

[Kirby]

No, I'm like. Are you, like, seeing all the weird shit I'm Googling? They share my screen. They're looking. They look in the cloud. I've already looked in the cloud. They double check the cloud gone.

[Sarah]

And it's not in your recently deleted.

[Kirby]

Like, not hidden, not recently deleted. The only way I found the John Chu interview was because under utilities and the new Photos app, when you scroll, there's something that says imports. And because I had airdropped it to myself, it was imported. Okay, thank God. Otherwise I would have completely lost it.

[Sarah]

What happened to everything else.

[Kirby]

They have no idea. They have no idea. And I had to go to technical support and be basically siphoned through three or four people to get to this top person that said, okay, we actually now have to, like, take this to a tech person that works on this stuff. Cause we've never seen this happen before. I'm an anomaly, apparently. And so they. They told me that they may be reaching out to, like.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Figure out what happened.

[Kirby]

Correct. So that happens. And then I had ordered this really cute pair. I mean, this is so trivial in comparison to things, but I ordered this really cute pair of sports sparkle jeans, which I've been having this whole sparkle jeans conversation from the 90s on my Instagram stories. I ordered them from Maje. They had a communication error because instead of putting my address as the ship to. They put my address as the pickup from. So on Monday, a FedEx guy shows up to my apartment going, hey, I'm here for a pickup. And I go, for what? And they go, for Maje. And I go, this is not a retail store. I'm a human being. And they're like, no, look. And so Maje, when they were putting in my address, switched the addresses. So then I had to call Maje and be like, are you guys actually sending me these? Or did I just pay y'all an obscene amount of money for this for no reason? And then they were like, oh, oh, we actually can't find this order now. No, but it was money taken.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

All that to say communication.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Crazy interesting. That actually has happened to me before, but I don't. That's probably what the issue was. I've, like, gotten UPS to come to the house, and they're like, we're here to pick up something. And I'm like, I don't have any.

[Kirby]

Yeah, it's because they have put input things in the wrong. Yeah.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

So all of that to say that happens, but I was very thrilled to be on that carpet. It was a milestone. Just as me doing my thing and then interviewing John Chu, which I was very excited about. And then the next day, I had a phone call, which I was really excited about. This phone call. I thought it would be like a. It was a career call about something I was really excited about potentially. And it didn't go the way I thought it was gonna go. And I was just like, what am I doing? Like, when is the rat race over? Why am I still, like, trying to claw my way? Like, what am I even trying to achieve anymore?

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

So I've Taken that as a sign. That and everybody else saying, we're all burnt out. We all don't know what we want. Apparently, the millennial midlife crisis is everybody wants to move to a farm. Yeah, Everyone. I want baby pigs and baby Chihuahuas, and I don't even want to, like, have them for food or for any reason. I mean, I wouldn't eat a Chihuahua, but, like, I wouldn't eat a pig either. Like, if their pigs were my pets, I would not be eating them.

[Sarah]

Yeah, no, If I had. If I live on a farm, I'd be a vegetarian.

[Kirby]

Yeah, same.

[Sarah]

Yeah. It's just some. You can't.

[Kirby]

The cows are gonna be living. Yeah, they'll be there from milk and. Yeah.

[Sarah]

And that's it.

[Kirby]

Eggs.

[Sarah]

Friends.

[Kirby]

Yeah, friends.

[Sarah]

Friends.

[Kirby]

Farm animals are our friends. That's the deal.

[Sarah]

And then I was talking to you about this, but micro retirements are also trending, especially among millen.

[Kirby]

What does that look like?

[Sarah]

Basically, where you take time off in the middle of your career because you just need a break. Because when was the last time you actually had a break? Like, vacations aside, which are for most Americans, maybe a week at most. Which I think for a lot of us, when you take a vacation and it's a week, it takes you a few days to actually, like, log off fully, and then you're, like, in it for a day or two, and then you have to, like, get back on the plane. So it's like you're not ever really checking out completely. So, like, these micro retirements are trending, and there's this whole conversation around it where everyone is, like, actually, that sounds great.

[Kirby]

That does sound great. But is that realistic? Yeah. Children, if you have bills to pay. I mean.

[Sarah]

Exactly.

[Kirby]

I mean, it's a nepo, baby. 100%, like, wealth.

[Sarah]

Yes. It's like you are coming from a place of privilege. Or even if you have, like, an employer that, like, would actually support that, where it's like, yeah, your job is safe for three months, but no one can guarantee that.

[Kirby]

And Refinery have sabbaticals.

[Sarah]

They used to. Not anymore. I think a lot of companies offered sabbaticals and then, like, stopped offering it. Like Facebook had. Has it. Had it. My friend took, you know, a full month off. Refinery used to have it. They no longer do. I think that those are great. I think people should, like, companies should definitely put that back into practice. But it's just. I think there's obviously this larger conversation around us being so burnt. And I think it's especially hard if you're like, really ambitious. And you're like, if I take a week off, a month off, like, look at all these opportunities that I'm gonna miss, which is, like, such a fucked up thing to think about.

[Kirby]

We're also slaves to the algorithm, Right? Because if I don't post for a certain amount of time, then the people that normally they encourage you, if you're going viral, you want to keep posting so that people see more of your stuff. So. But then I don't know if I believe that, because I posted that thing about being burnt out, and I had so much engagement and shares and all of those things, and it got viewed by a ton of people. But then the next thing I posted, which I guess is going to be a slow burn, but I was at Kathy Hilton's Christmas party, and Lisa Barlow started singing Away in a Manger, which we've heard her sing before, and also last Christmas. And I recorded it and uploaded it. And like, when I uploaded it, it got like 100 likes in an hour, which is, like, not even close to being good for me.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

And then one comment, and now I'm starting to see. It's like people are starting to share it. Okay, so it's a slow burn, but I'm like, But then was this not served? That's the thing. It's like they tell you something and it's actually. They're gaslighting you. I just want to be completely honest. TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, they're all gaslighting you in terms of what works. Because, yeah, it doesn't.

[Sarah]

There's no rhyme or. There's no rhyme or strategy.

[Kirby]

No. Yeah.

[Sarah]

It makes no sense.

[Kirby]

No.

[Sarah]

Which is why we all should just not live. Not, like, be a slave to it.

[Kirby]

If I could not be on social media, I would literally. I aspire to be Jennifer Lawrence, successful, works when she wants to, has a family, and then does not even have an Instagram.

[Sarah]

I know.

[Kirby]

That is my dream.

[Sarah]

All my best friends, they are not on social media. They don't know what the hell I'm doing. They're like, you know, have no Instagram, haven't had it for years. And I'm just like, I'm so jealous of you.

[Kirby]

I'm so jealous. My friend Molly, who I have known since college, her birthday is in December. And I was laughing because I'm like, you're literally one of the only friends I will call or, like, send a voice note to, to say Happy Birthday. Not intentionally, but because I always just remember your birthday. And she responded and was Like, I don't know if you have TikTok. And I started laughing because I go, girl, you don't know if I have TikTok. I'm mu dang on TikTok. Like, this is crazy.

[Sarah]

Oh, my gosh, that's so funny.

[Kirby]

No. So it's so funny how when you're removed, you're just like, who knows?

[Sarah]

My friend Mia spells TikTok T, I, C, K, T, O. And I'm like, can you at least get the spelling right so you don't seem.

[Kirby]

So she's delivering babies.

[Sarah]

She's delivering babies. She's saving lives. It's fine.

[Kirby]

She's got bigger fish to fry.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

But anyways, if you're burnt out, apparently astrologically, Aliza Kelly has said that a lot of things are going on. It's like, obviously the end of the year is a big part of it, but a lot of planets are retrograde. A lot of Mars is retrograde apparently, as well. And that's making you, like, really think through what you want in life. And then Sarah and I's little Capricorns, apparently, because Pluto Left Capricorn After 15 years, our lives are supposed to improve and we're supposed to make a fuck ton of money. So when is that happening? I was expecting a lotto when maybe.

[Sarah]

It'S a slow burn, too. Okay. But you also, I think, like, all of us too. It's just when we get to the end of the year, we're like, oh, my God, where am I going? What am I doing with my life? But, like, have you really sat and, like, reflected on, like, this entire year, especially for you? Like, so much has happened, so much has changed, and you've accomplished so much.

[Kirby]

I have done that when I'm starting to feel a little insecure or upset about it. But I think that the part of me is that I have been working towards a certain goal for so long and that goal hasn't happened. So that has been what's been, like, making me feel insecure or making me feel less than. I think I've had some amazing moments this year.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

But I also too, one thing I need to realize is maybe this is like my own pep talk. I see people on social media and I see. I just see their videos. I don't go to their pages. And then when I do go to their page, I'm like, I have more followers than them or, like, I don't have that many less followers than them. Or they. They don't have as many followers as I thought. They have.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Kirby]

But they're still, like, absolutely thriving and killing it in terms of, you know, content creation and stuff like that. So I'm like, I need to very much, like, change my perspective of what success is.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kirby]

Because I'm like, oh, I don't have a million followers. Like, I don't have this. I don't whatever. And it's like, I never even used to care about that stuff.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Kirby]

But since it's now, like, insidiously in.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

My job, like, I'm like, I want to host a TV show. They're like, well, then you need to start a YouTube show, and then you need to promote it on YouTube. You know, you need to do all these things. Like, you can't just. Like, you don't just get TV shows anymore.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Like, TV hosts don't exist anymore. Like, they're all celebrities. I was gonna say they're all from Modern Family or. Yeah.

[Sarah]

Oh, my God. I was watching the preview for the one like, what is it, Deal or no Deal? And it was like, joe Manganiello is the host. And I was like, since when are you a TV host?

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

Don't you have movies to be in?

[Kirby]

Rob Lowe apparently has a breakout hit game show on a network right now.

[Sarah]

Oh, great.

[Kirby]

Rob Lowe.

[Sarah]

Oh, that's right. With his son.

[Kirby]

Do they. No, no, no. This is a game show, not the show on Netflix.

[Sarah]

Oh, there's a different show.

[Kirby]

I'm like, does Rob Lowe really need the network money? Rob Lowe's been famous for a real long time. Before long, JLO is gonna be hosting a TV game show.

[Sarah]

I wonder, like, does that really draw viewers when a celebrity is hosting?

[Kirby]

Probably it might be. Otherwise, they're doing it. But I miss the days where we had the Ryan Seacrest and, you know, like, the Regis. You know, we had those, like, the. Now all we have is, like, the Today show and the Good Morning Americas in terms of, like, people we've known for a long time, you know?

[Sarah]

Have you watched the show on Netflix? I've only watched one episode. Is it called Is that Cake?

[Kirby]

Oh, with Mikey. Yes.

[Sarah]

And also isn't. Oh, wait, no, no, no, no. Yes, with Mikey. Sorry. With Mikey. He's the host. I was like, do you need to be doing this? But also, it's funny and it's great.

[Kirby]

But, like, Mikey from I.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Kirby]

I'm blanking on his last name.

[Sarah]

Mikey from Saturday Night Live. Yes, yes.

[Kirby]

So funny.

[Sarah]

So funny.

[Kirby]

So funny.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

And I agree. When I first saw him as the host, I'm like, does this really matter. And then I'm like, I'm glad he's the host.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah. It's funny. It's funny. He makes it funny. But again, it's like, wow. Okay, so. So then, yeah, to your point, you gotta be a celebrity.

[Kirby]

I know, it's crazy.

[Sarah]

So anyways, well, you're a celebrity. Me.

[Kirby]

Oh, wow.

[Sarah]

And so many people.

[Kirby]

And my mother. My mother never lets me forget it. So thank you, Sarah Tan. And my mother. But all that to say if you're feeling burnt out, if you're feeling you're not alone. Less than literally. I think everybody I know is going through something, feeling that way. So maybe this is a good time to just step back, be grateful.

[Sarah]

Should we all log off together for.

[Kirby]

A little bit, Drink some mulled wine.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

My favorite drink of the holiday season.

[Sarah]

Oh, leave your phone in the other room.

[Kirby]

Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah.

[Sarah]

Honestly, if it's not in the room with me, I don't go same looking for it.

[Kirby]

Same.

[Sarah]

So just leave it in the other room for a little bit.

[Kirby]

I agree.

[Sarah]

Let's just drink some mulled wine. Catch up on some cheesy hot Frosty, anyone?

[Kirby]

Did you watch it? I didn't. I didn't.

[Sarah]

Okay, okay. It's okay. I didn't watch the Lindsey one. Is it really good?

[Kirby]

Oh, my God, it's great. I started crying. I didn't cry. I didn't cry. But I have a huge crush on Ian Harding. And I thought that all the budget that they put towards Lindsey's Netflix deal went to this movie. It was really well written. It was really sentimental and sweet. I can understand why people would cry.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

She's great in it.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

And have we talked about Lindsay's makeover?

[Sarah]

No, I wanted to talk about it, but I just. Her doctor in Dubai, like, posted about it, and of course I clicked on this E. News headline that was like, she reveals all that she does to Lindsay Lohan. It's like, not that she doesn't tell anything, because obviously she can't.

[Kirby]

And she's a dermatologist.

[Sarah]

She's a dermatologist? Yeah, she's a dermatologist. But no, we have not discussed the glow up.

[Kirby]

So I saw a photo from a dermatologist, actually an esthetician, where it wasn't Lindsey, but it was a client where she showed the before. And it was like she had a lot of dark spots on her face and her skin was really dry. And then, like, within six weeks, she took her from that to this completely illuminated, clear, bouncy skin.

[Sarah]

I mean, like, historically, she has freckles.

[Kirby]

Yes. And, like, this wasn't a picture of Lindsey, but I understood. For me, I think one of the biggest changes has been her skin.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kirby]

Her skin looks plump and hydrated. It looks more even toned. She has had freckles her whole life. And so seeing her skin look this illuminated, and obviously she has amazing makeup artists working on her, like Ash K. Holm and Christopher Buckle. But just skin wise, that dermatologist, everybody sent me that dermatologist. And I was like, yes, that's her dermatologist.

[Sarah]

Right. We all.

[Kirby]

We think she got a blepharoplasty. Let's be real. And I don't feel. I don't feel like we're out of line talking about this because a lot of people online are going give her nutritionist a raise, give her glam team a raise, and her sobriety is a big part of this. And yes, I'm sure sobriety has helped her to get to a point where she wants to focus more on herself and take care of herself and live a healthy lifestyle.

[Sarah]

She's a mom now.

[Kirby]

She's a mom.

[Sarah]

She don't have time to. Yeah, right. To be partying.

[Kirby]

All of those things contributed. But if you look at a before and after photo, it was pretty. That is not a result of sobriety. And a lot of people were like, the sobriety facelift is real. And I'm like, the sobriety facelift is not a facelift.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

It is removal of fat and volume from your face.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

That is on a facelift.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

That is not lifting anything. That's not getting rid of skin on your upper eyelid.

[Sarah]

It's like more than just like a de. Puffing, debloating situation. It's like her face is like. It's like a different shape.

[Kirby]

She looks like herself when she was 18. There is a very specific photo when I saw her on. I think it was Fallon or Colbert or something. I just had a flashback of seeing her in this really pretty kind of icy blue. Not even a gown. It was like a top that kind of had like a sweetheart neckline. And she was on a red carpet. Her hair was obviously really red at that point, and she had all her freckles. And I just thought that that looked like her. It looked like a younger version of her, which I think she looks beautiful. And I think that's not even being disputed. No, she looks amazing. But I do think it's bad when.

[Sarah]

People are just saying, oh, she didn't get anything done. It's just a lifestyle change.

[Kirby]

Just a lifestyle change.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Because we have had people in our DMs going be for real.

[Sarah]

There's that meme that has been going around that's like. It's like a view of the beach, and it's like this. And whatever Lindsay Lohan got. And I was like, yes, Immediately, that. No, literally.

[Kirby]

And I'm curious, too. I would love to know, because she looks refreshed, she looks happier, she looks youthful. And we could have a whole discussion on whether or not that's a good or bad thing, but I think that she looks great. But all that to say is when you're watching Our Little Secret, she looks different from how she looks now.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

So it's interesting to see her promoting it versus being in it.

[Sarah]

Interesting.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

Yes. And I think that's kind of why. I mean, I don't know if I were her. And she's being scrutinized. She's been scrutinized her whole life. So I really don't blame anybody. Christina Aguilera included.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

For changing our update. I don't even want to say changing. Updating their looks to feel better about themselves, because at the end of the day, people are gonna talk about their looks no matter what.

[Sarah]

Exactly.

[Kirby]

So why not just do something for you that makes you feel good and you feel like you look good and other people feel like you look good and let them talk about it that way.

[Sarah]

Exactly. Yeah. They don't owe it to anyone. And. Yeah. I mean, they both look great. Did you see the Donatella Versace Her Face update?

[Kirby]

No.

[Sarah]

So, yeah. Dr. Corey Hartman posted this video showing Donatella Versace, like, you know, a few years ago. And then she, it seems, appears, has gotten work done to update her look, as we're calling it. And she looks great. She looks really, really good. And he's saying that it's. It's never too late to, like, fix your face.

[Kirby]

Wow. I mean, how old is Donatella? I mean, that's, I guess, the truth.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

But if you talk to any plastic surgeon, they'll tell you it's better to get these done younger because it's not as drastic of a change.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Kirby]

Yeah, I think that's. It's clear. She got some work done.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kirby]

Because how drastic it is.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Okay. Well, go Lindsay Lohan.

[Sarah]

Go Lindsay Lohan.

[Kirby]

We're really. We are all rooting for you, Truly. Honestly, I think every single person on the planet is. We have some TikTok drama that we need to bring up. Wow, this made it to People magazine. Sarah, have you heard about the Patrick Ta drama?

[Sarah]

I have. I have. I've been watching on TikTok. I had no idea until you messaged me and I was like, what? But now I feel a little bit more informed. But tell us what's going on.

[Kirby]

There's a beauty influencer. She has about 400,000 followers on TikTok. Her name is Ivana Sunshine. She focuses on beauty and makeup. She claimed that she was not compensated by Patrick Ta Beauty for promoting his beauty products from this past spring. In the video, she does not name Patrick, but she is taking his blush compacts and breaking them in half and throwing them in the trash and then taking his serum foundation and squirting it into the trash and talking about how these brands are not paying black creators. And I don't think that my community, in Ivana's words, would appreciate knowing that. And so it was very clear. It was about Patrick Ta.

[Sarah]

Yeah. Oh, my God. When she was like, breaking each compact, I just was like. My hands were like, over my mouth. I was like, oh, my God.

[Kirby]

There was something about it that made me recoil in a way.

[Sarah]

People, these were like brand new compacts that had not been used that she.

[Kirby]

Was basically like, destroying and throwing in the trash. The comments were split. Some of the comments were, why break them? And why destroy them if you already have them? This is a waste. If you spent money on them, why destroy them? It was clear she probably got these in pr.

[Sarah]

Sure.

[Kirby]

She had every single one of them.

[Sarah]

Totally. Yeah. Yeah. And she's obviously trying to make a point.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Sarah]

With this video.

[Kirby]

Right. Well, then Patrick Ta himself reposted that video.

[Sarah]

Did he know he was doing that? Cause, like, sometimes I do it on accident.

[Kirby]

Yes. And that's why that video has 7 million views now. Okay.

[Sarah]

Oh, my God.

[Kirby]

I would love to understand the psychology behind him doing that. I can only assume he thought, yes, I'm just gonna. Yeah, we need to get this girl paid. This is the thing. So. So then Patrick posts an apology and deletes it and then posts another apology. I don't know if he posted a third apology, but I know he had two apologies.

[Sarah]

Why did he delete the first one?

[Kirby]

He said, I think in the caption of the video, the second apology, that he liked the second one and felt the first one was a little too, okay, whatever. So he apologized as the face of the brand, but he said that it was the finance team. And I talked to several sources that are very familiar with the situation that let me Know that it wasn't just a finance situation, that there were several employees at that company that should have been able to get her payment to the right people to get it processed. However, some of those people quit. Some of those people got let go. Some of those people were out for a certain amount of time. And basically her invoice got lost in the ether.

[Sarah]

Got it.

[Kirby]

Nobody was keeping track of it.

[Sarah]

Do you know how long it was that she hadn't been paid?

[Kirby]

I believe I was told it was spring. So she had done. She had done a partnership with Patrick Taab Beauty in the past one at least. And then this was the second one, I believe.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

And then.

[Sarah]

So it's beyond net 60.

[Kirby]

It was beyond the payment contracted terms. Okay. I would be pissed as well.

[Sarah]

Oh, yeah.

[Kirby]

Y'all know I've been pissed.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

I have publicly announced. I've been pissed about not. Sarah and I were not paid literally for over 18 months.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Beyond beyond net six.

[Sarah]

Beyond net six, beyond net 90. Whatever the highest net is.

[Kirby]

Right. But I think this actually highlights a bigger creator issue, which is brands oftentimes come to us in a tizzy saying, we have this campaign. We actually need this video in five days.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Kirby]

Can you turn it around? They don't want to pay rush fees. They don't want to. They expect us to deliver things swiftly and quickly to align with their timelines, but when it comes down to payment, they can gouge us.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Kirby]

And I don't know anybody that can survive off of net 90 payment terms. I'm not saying that those were the payment terms for Patrick Ta Beauty, but there are huge, huge beauty companies that are telling creators that it's net 90 or nothing.

[Sarah]

Right. That's typically. Usually what it is. It's always between, like, net 45 to net 90.

[Kirby]

It should be illegal.

[Sarah]

Yeah, it really should be.

[Kirby]

It should be illegal. Especially with what they're asking of people. Typically, if we have to stay on timelines to deliver you your content, you can Pay us and net 15 to net 30 like any other normal business.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Kirby]

Especially with the billions of dollars that the beauty industry is making.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Kirby]

And I've.

[Sarah]

And especially with all the technology that exists now between Zelle and Venmo and all the things like payment should be seamless.

[Kirby]

I've personally in my career said I'm not taking any job that says net 90 or even net 60. The negotiation needs to be net 30 max, because I know they're not gonna pay on time.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

I'm not waiting four or five months to get A payment for something I did.

[Sarah]

You can't live like that, especially if you freelance 100%.

[Kirby]

Especially when 40% of my money goes to taxes. Absolutely not. So I think this highlights a bigger issue, and I don't know what the change is. I don't know. Because here's the deal. If a brand comes to you and you are just getting off the ground, and I'm not saying that's Ivana, I'm just saying in general, as a creator, if you're just getting off the ground and a brand comes to you and says, we want to pay you to do this, that's exciting because you're making money off of something that you're passionate about. But then when they say net 90, you don't really have the upper hand to say, sorry, I'm not gonna agree to that. You can try to negotiate, but I know plenty of these brands have said, Nope, it's 90 or nothing. And that is despicable. It should not be that way. We should be getting proper payment, and we shouldn't be worried about why we have to chase our invoices and where this money is. Especially, as I said, because we can say it's net 60, but I have about 10 brands right now that are net 30 that still haven't paid me yet.

[Sarah]

I know. And it's not a good feeling to have to chase people. You don't want to do that. You don't want to be annoying.

[Kirby]

No.

[Sarah]

But, like, you also have to pay your bills. You have to pay rent, mortgage, whatever it is. Yeah. It's offensive. Do I think that there was, you know, these accusations? Not specifically just from Ivana, but in the comments saying that, you know, Patrick Ta doesn't appreciate black creators. Is he racist? Like, I don't think that he is a mean person.

[Kirby]

No. And he's worked with plenty of women who are black who have gotten paid. And he has highlighted in big ways.

[Sarah]

I feel like he's always, you know, done his best to champion diversity. Obviously, you know, he himself coming from, like, immigrant parents and this and that. But, yeah, I think this was definitely, obviously internally in the company. They need to figure some shit out.

[Kirby]

Right. Especially if there's that much turnover.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

I think that's a big red flag that they need to work on. And I can see how it would get lost if that's the case. But then what's going on internally, that needs to get fixed asap, because now this has become a public problem versus an internal one.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

So I hope she's paid by now.

[Sarah]

Yeah. I'm like, she better.

[Kirby]

The last response I saw from her, and I don't know, this is going live on the 17th, but we're recording this the week before, so I don't know if she has done anything since, but the last thing I saw was that she posted a video where she was doing her makeup, and instead of giving a final response or reaction to Patrick's apology, she. She just named what she was using on her face and said, so and so pays us. So and so pays us. So and so pays us. And kind of left it at that.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

I think there's a lot of work to be done. Oh, yeah. Do I think that this is going to ruin Patrick ta beauty. I don't. I think that this is a bigger conversation, and I hope that with Ivana that she's able to feel some peace from this and gets paid. Because when you're not paid for the work you do, it is degrading. Yeah, it's degrading.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

So I understand where she's coming from for sure.

[Sarah]

Ugh. Okay. There was some other TikTok drama, which Kirby messaged me and said was happening, and I was like, what do you. What do you mean? And then she was like, look it up on TikTok. And I did. And then I texted her and I said, I want my brain cells back. But. But I was very invested. I watched a bunch of the videos. So maybe you've already seen this, but There is a TikTok user named Goldie. She's a hairstylist based in Florida. Correct. And she's become the center of this controversy after one of her clients accused her of turning her hair gray. Like, she wanted this bright blonde, cool toned. Cool toned. She specifically asked for cool toned. And Goldie, the hairstylist did as she said and asked, but the client felt that it was too cool and it looked gray and was very dissatisfied and started posting videos on TikTok saying how upset she was. Oh, my God. There was one comment that someone left that was like, I don't know if they were being sarcastic, but they're like, you're so brave for sharing your hair.

[Kirby]

Oh, my God. I hope that we.

[Sarah]

I hope it was sarcasm. Yeah. Because I'm like, there's no way. Oh, my God. So, Goldie, there's been a lot of back and forth, and Goldie posted a video with, like, receipts basically showing the text messages. She's also been doing this woman's hair for free.

[Kirby]

Yes. That is, I think, the biggest. What are you Doing here?

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Lindsay is off her rocker. She's off her rocker.

[Sarah]

That's the name of the client.

[Kirby]

The client's name is Lindsay.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Kirby]

She's a dental assistant.

[Sarah]

Yep.

[Kirby]

I guess in Florida.

[Sarah]

Yep.

[Kirby]

And I'm gonna be completely honest. The cool, toned hair works for her.

[Sarah]

I thought it looked great.

[Kirby]

So what happened in between this, though, is her hair was gray or whatever. Silver.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Kirby]

She goes back. Cause it's around Thanksgiving. She goes back, and then Goldie turns her hair honey blonde.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Kirby]

Instead of this bright, beachy blonde that she had been wanting.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

And that's when Lindsay lost it and then was starting to threaten her, and then all hell broke loose. So then she takes it to TikTok. Everyone's agreeing with her.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Then the hairstylist gets on and says, I have to defend myself.

[Sarah]

Yes. And it also was happening, like, the day before Thanksgiving.

[Kirby]

Yes.

[Sarah]

So Goldie had to, like, be with her family.

[Kirby]

Yes. Yes. There was all these elements to it, but Goldie posted a photo of Lindsey's hair the first time she did it, and it looked good. However, the photo was taken from the back, not from the front. And if you look at the back, it looks amazing. But when you see Lindsay posting her from the front, the roots. It's gray.

[Sarah]

It's a little gray.

[Kirby]

It's gray.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

At one point, I guess Goldie told her to put dish soap in her hair to, like, help get rid of the color, essentially for five minutes. But she dumped an entire thing of dawn dish soap on her head and left it in for like an hour or something, and it destroyed her hair. I mean, her hair is straw at this point.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

So then Goldie doesn't fix her hair. I guess she fixed her hair, but she made her hair honey blonde, which is not what she wanted. And so Manny Gutierrez. Manny Mua. Did a breakdown of this video.

[Sarah]

He did. Oh, I should have watched this video.

[Kirby]

I should have sent that to you. I almost sent it to you, but I didn't. He does an amazing breakdown of it. And I was laughing because I had watched all of these parts of these videos, but then still watched his entire video, and he made a great point. Both people were at fault.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Goldie, that was not cool toned blonde.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

It was gray. It was silver. It might have looked good from the back, but from the front, like, don't gaslight her. It did not look good.

[Sarah]

And it didn't look like the inspo pictures that she brought in.

[Kirby]

No, she. It didn't. Then she fixed it, but she didn't Give expectations to Lindsey of, okay, we cannot go blonde because your hair is straw.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

With this dish soap fiasco.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

So I have to do what I can do. As it turns out, though, the color that she gave her the second time suits her so much more. Looks great than this blonde shit she's been doing.

[Sarah]

Yeah. It looked healthy. She looked at her skin tone.

[Kirby]

It was flattering. She looked. She. It was like it took her from like a here to a here.

[Sarah]

It was like a. It was like, you know, rich girl. I hate when people call it that. But it was like a rich girl blonde. Like, it looked really like, you said, elegant on her.

[Kirby]

Yes, I even commented that. But she was fielding comments, so she would only approve comments that she liked.

[Sarah]

Oh, my God.

[Kirby]

So she did not post that. I thought, well, I did comment, girl, your hair looks yellow. But then her original hair color, she didn't approve that.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

That was me being a little spicy on the Internet. But then I'm like, you look, I understand not getting what you want, but you look so beautiful.

[Sarah]

Like, maybe she did you a favor.

[Kirby]

No. And I mean, on principle. It's like she. She didn't give me what I wanted, so whatever.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kirby]

But it did, I felt, worked out in her favor. Then she went to a different person, got it fixed, and apparently all the money that she's making off of those TikToks she's giving to the new person. But this is my thing. Did she pay the second person? Because.

[Sarah]

Right, because she wasn't paying Goldie.

[Kirby]

She wasn't paying Goldie, but allegedly she.

[Sarah]

Did she pay her for this last time or No?

[Kirby]

I guess she did.

[Sarah]

Okay.

[Kirby]

I guess. Yes. That's a great point. I think she did end up paying her. And then she asked Goldie for the money back, so then she gave the money back. Yeah, it was a whole thing. Now, apparently, Lindsay is going to file a lawsuit or it's going into litigation or. I don't even know.

[Sarah]

I don't even know.

[Kirby]

She literally said that she's not gonna make any more videos because it's now in, like, legal's hands. And I go, babes, you literally started this. You are the one that came to the Internet. Like, Goldie's allowed to defend herself. Are you going to. Are you filing a lawsuit because she made your hair silver?

[Sarah]

Right. Also, we've all had bad hair.

[Kirby]

I have had terrible hair situations, but I am not threatening anybody or taking it. And this is the point of us bringing this up. We have got to stop posting every single Thought in our heads.

[Sarah]

We don't. We don't need to.

[Kirby]

This did not warrant a six part series. No, I understand that likes and views are really exciting.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

And get your adrenaline going. And you wanna have a following. And I guess she already does have a following. She has 400,000 followers. But like, what is that on TikTok? It's like, nobody cares. We cannot keep going this direction.

[Sarah]

Yeah. And it wasn't even that bad.

[Kirby]

It was not.

[Sarah]

It was like an honest mistake. We've all had again, experiences like that before. You go back to the hairstylist colorist, you ask again to fix it. And then if they don't fix it the way that you like it, you learn you're not get your refunds. You get your refund. You're not gonna go back to them.

[Kirby]

You find someone else, but you don't drag them. No.

[Sarah]

And try to ruin their career.

[Kirby]

No. And listen, leave a Yelp review.

[Sarah]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Kirby]

Like a normal person.

[Sarah]

That's more effective.

[Kirby]

Leave a Yelp review.

[Sarah]

It's more sane.

[Kirby]

It's the sane option. I just am flabbergasted that this was where this went. So I'm eagerly waiting to see what kind of lawsuit is being purported from this.

[Sarah]

Well, it's made her more famous, so, like, she should be grateful.

[Kirby]

Yeah, I guess. So I will say I probably wouldn't go see Goldie to get my hair done.

[Sarah]

Yeah. No.

[Kirby]

Bless her. But maybe she specializes in brunettes.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Kirby]

But I. Based off of what I saw both times, I would also be upset that I didn't get what I asked for both times. Or at least was not put into expectation. Hey, your hair is literally straw because you put dawn dish soap on your head for an hour or whatever. We cannot go blonde.

[Sarah]

Does that ruin her career?

[Kirby]

No.

[Sarah]

No.

[Kirby]

When I first moved to LA one time, I went to a new hair place to get my hair done in West Hollywood around the holidays, I took in a picture of Nicole Richie. Blonde woman.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

I turn around in the chair, my hair is red. I'm not kidding. It was strawberry blonde.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

I paid, I left, I went home, I realized my hair was red. I looked at my reference photo, I cried. I called the salon back and I said, I'm gonna need a refund because I walked out of that salon with red hair. And that is not what I asked for. Yeah. I'm sorry, but I need this. And they were like, do you wanna talk to your colorist? And I said, yes. And I got on the phone with her and she goes, I'm so sorry. I was just completely out of it and admitted complete faults. Wow. And so she asked me to come back in. I told her no. Especially since you said, I am so out of it.

[Sarah]

Yeah. You're like, no.

[Kirby]

But then she refunded me.

[Sarah]

Okay, well, that's nice.

[Kirby]

And that was the end of it.

[Sarah]

Yeah. That was the end of it. Okay. When I wanted to go blonde, this was in Oakland. Cause I was, like, having a quarter life crisis. And I was like, I had no friends. We moved up there. And I was like, I'm gonna go blonde. I went to a stylist or colorist that I found on Yelp. Who, See, she was Asian. So I was like, okay, she's gonna be able to, like, turn me blonde. I brought in a picture of Chrissy Teigen.

[Kirby]

Wow.

[Sarah]

Orange.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Sarah]

Left. The salon, cried, called. I was like, can you please fix this? This is not what I had asked for. She attempted to fix it. Still wasn't right. I should have asked for a refund. I didn't. I didn't. Cause she tried to fix it. I never saw her again. But that was it. That was it.

[Kirby]

You leave it alone. And then you take it to Yelp if you are so fine.

[Sarah]

Yeah. And then I, like. I think I tried to fix it myself. It was fine. It grew out. Whatever. I am never gonna be blonde again because of that experience unless Clayton does my hair. But I never was like, I'm not gonna, like, drag this woman and ruin their entire livelihood. Yeah.

[Kirby]

Yeah. The whole thing is wack. The whole thing is wack. I have had professional celebrity colorists make my hair orange before.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

Who I love dearly.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Kirby]

I just will never go see them again.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

And they have since been like, I realized I didn't. And it's cuz my hair. This is my natural hair color. Bleach does not take too kindly. You have to leave it on longer than you think.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

It's not. It's not one of those things. So it will take color. Like, my eyebrows. I can only leave color on, like, 30 seconds because my eyebrows will take, like, brown dye really well. But bleach is a different story.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

And I understand wanting the perfect blonde.

[Sarah]

Right.

[Kirby]

Trust.

[Sarah]

Yep.

[Kirby]

But I think if I was gonna pick the villain here, it's definitely Lindsey. But Goldie should maybe work on some of her skills.

[Sarah]

Right? Right.

[Kirby]

And that's how I feel about it.

[Sarah]

Exactly. I agree. I think it went too far.

[Kirby]

It went way too far. They took it too freaking far.

[Sarah]

Oh, my gosh. TikTok okay, now, everyone log off.

[Kirby]

Now. Everybody literally stay off. TikTok, do not get on it, and you might not be able to ever again come January.

[Sarah]

So lemonade just.

[Kirby]

Is that what is lemonade?

[Sarah]

It's like, oh, my TikTok. It's apparently like the new.

[Kirby]

If TikTok goes away, I'm sticking to reels. Reels and YouTube shorts. That's where I'm going.

[Sarah]

Yeah, just give us one. We don't need 10. But apparently, Lemon, I don't know. Let's not talk about it until next year.

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