Sarah (3:09)

Which one?

Spencer Hedges (3:10)

Yeah. Sad shoes. So good. But you know what? They've been able to master a cool tone one. I've never been able to find a cool tone lip stain on the market until theirs. And I love it. It's so good.

Sarah (3:24)

Yes.

Spencer Hedges (3:25)

Cold call.

Kirby (3:26)

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That was great.

Sarah (3:27)

Yeah, that was amazing. Yeah. Cold call. I'm wearing it right now. I wear it as a liner and like a full lip. It's really hard to formulate lip stains that actually look good on your natural lip color.

Spencer Hedges (3:39)

Yeah, a lot of them pull orange or pink, especially on me and I find that often too with clients. So I end up using it in the middle of the lip and use something like cool tone. But theirs are fantastic. I love. I love their shades and they just came out with a few more I think I saw.

Sarah (3:53)

Yeah, that's the one. Cold call is amazing. If you haven't tried it, it's the perfect, like true cool toned.

Spencer Hedges (3:59)

I want to because it looks like it leans more yellow than their other cool toned one. That's the one I usually use, so I want to try it when I order it. On the. On the TikTok shop.

Sarah (4:07)

On the TikTok shop. I was going to ask you what's your most recommended product to your clients when you see them?

Spencer Hedges (4:15)

It would be probably a cleansing balm when this ties in. What I was saying earlier about exfoliating, the thing is, is that you using a physical or chemical exfoliator is just a little, I hate to say the word aggressive. It might just be a little much for me to recommend to a client, but there's a really soft and elegant way of exfoliating your skin that's more gentle and that's with a cleansing balm. So I leave it on before I do their makeup. I leave it on for like five or ten minutes and it like softens the skin cells and then I remove it and it kind of takes away the dead skin that's sitting on top with it.

Sarah (4:46)

So you remove it with like a washcloth or something. Okay.

Spencer Hedges (4:48)

Well, I use, I like to use a formula that kind of emulsifies into a cleanser. So I'll add water to it and I'll let it emulsify, become a cleanser. It cleanses their skin without stripping it. And then I do remove it with a washcloth and that little bit of grit kind of helps take away the dead skin cells.

Sarah (5:04)

What's the cleansing balm?

Spencer Hedges (5:06)

Yeah, I like the one from Elemis.

Kirby (5:08)

Oh yes.

Spencer Hedges (5:09)

Yeah, they have a few different like scented ones, but the original is my favorite. I always go back to that one.

Sarah (5:14)

Okay. You mentioned lashes, but we can't see them because you have on sunglasses for a specific reason.

Kirby (5:20)

You're looking quite fabulous right now.

Spencer Hedges (5:23)

Oh my. I had a little, a little something done. You know what? I'm in the season of life right now where I have a two year old and I promised myself when she turns two, I'm doing something for myself and I'm getting this nip tucked, pulled and stretched every direction. I had a facelift, Spencer.

Kirby (5:41)

But you just had it.

Sarah (5:43)

And you just had it.

Spencer Hedges (5:44)

I know, like your goals. I know, it's so funny. Like it's like turning side to side right now. I feel like, like I'm like a stiff board because everything's still a little tight. But I was FaceTiming my mom yesterday. She goes, Spencer, she had stayed. She flew out to LA and stayed with me and helped me with Celine, my daughter. And she goes, you did not look like that a week ago. And your healing is like remarkable. She was worried at first. She thinks I'm crazy. I had this done last Monday. A full on deep plane, facelift, neckl lift, brow lift. I'm not ashamed of it, you know, I love it.

Kirby (6:13)

You shouldn't be.

Spencer Hedges (6:14)

I'm owning it right now. I'm like loving this part of my life where I'm just like owning it and I'm going with whatever makes me feel confident.

Sarah (6:21)

I'm so impressed with how well you have healed. This is a testament to your surgeon. Do you want to shout them out or do you want to keep it a secret?

Kirby (6:28)

Are your friends can be mad at you?

Spencer Hedges (6:29)

Oh gosh, you know what, I already got my appointment. You know, I'm good So there is. We joke about it with my clients. You know, I work with a lot of clients that work at entertainment, and we joke about the list because there's, like, this unspoken list that kind of gets around through our group chats and people who work on camera and all that. And one of the benefits of being a makeup artist is I know everyone on that list. Every surgeon is different surgeon for different things, and they're usually not ones that are commonly known. They're mostly under the radar. Like, there's a great one in New York who's fantastic for Deep Plane right now. And I feel like I've been seeing him actually on social media lately. I think his name is Dr. Levine.

Sarah (7:04)

Yeah, Dr. Steven Levine.

Spencer Hedges (7:05)

Yes, yes. He's done a couple of my clients, and his work is fantastic. And then here on the West Coasters is Dr. John Vartanian. And. And he's very under the radar. But his deep plain neck and facelifts, I have never seen anything like it before in my life on my clients. But more than that, his incision work, his stitching. Listen, not every doctor knows how to work with a needle and thread, all right? And, like, working up close on people, I have never seen stitching like his. And I promised myself that if I were ever to get a facelift, I would go to him. And, girls, I did it. I was like, let's do it.

Kirby (7:40)

You look so incredible.

Spencer Hedges (7:42)

Thank you. He's so talented. It's. I love his work. And, yeah, I just feel so grateful to have gone through this process.

Kirby (7:48)

Yeah. I feel like, you know, you were mentioning it earlier, but, like, you obviously care a lot about when you're picking your plastic surgeon, what the work looks like before and after. But the incision work, that's not something that I've ever really thought about.

Spencer Hedges (7:59)

Yeah, it's so important because that's the first thing I notice working on people. And over the years, I know immediately, like, I can just tell by the cartilage on their nose if they had a rhinoplasty and how recent it was. Like, that's how familiar I am with the. Working on different people and then seeing the incisions around the ears, whether it was internal, external stitching, all this stuff. So I really feel like I have a pretty good judgment when it comes to who the good surgeons are. The experience that my clients have had, and maybe that's why they do keep them a lot, because the ones you see, like, going viral online, the. Like, the facial plastic surgeons are not the ones really working on people And I think that's why so many celebrities and my clients, like, just keep them close.

Sarah (8:40)

Totally. Like, there is an underground list of people.

Spencer Hedges (8:43)

1,000% the list.

Sarah (8:44)

Well, definitely a testament to your facial plastic surgeon. Incredible work. I mean, I'm truly just shocked. When I came in today, Sarah was like, okay, so Spencer's wearing glasses because he had a little procedure done. And I'm thinking, like, maybe, like, lower left. Yeah. You know, like fat grafting. And I was like, he got a facelift. And I. I'm like, you're here.

Spencer Hedges (9:06)

I know.

Sarah (9:07)

Truly.

Spencer Hedges (9:07)

I know. It's. I'm surprised myself, but, like, there's still quite a bit of swelling, no doubt, but I'm a little over a week out. It's incredible how our bodies work and how powerful they are in terms of recovery like that. It's really been a Just, like, a remarkable process. Besides the vanity part of it, I'm just amazed by our bodies.

Kirby (9:27)

You must take good care of yourself. Your body is like, it knew what to do.

Spencer Hedges (9:31)

As best I can.

Kirby (9:32)

Yeah. You know, did your doctor say that you're recovering quickly, quicker than expected or anything like that?

Spencer Hedges (9:37)

Honestly, you kind of said, like, I'm on track. And I think that kind of speaks to his work and his and his clients. He goes, I'm like, I feel like I'm recovering really quick. Like, there's not really much bruising and this and that. And then he's like, all right, well, let me give you the technical aspect of it. This is what I did. This is why I do things differently and things that I didn't quite understand. But I was like, okay, I. Yeah, I went to the right guy.

Sarah (9:58)

Totally.

Spencer Hedges (9:58)

So shout out to Dr. John Foranian if he's watching, and I hope he gets all the praise that he deserves, because his work and my experience was incredible. But the experiences my clients have had with them were incredible, too.

Sarah (10:09)

Totally. Was there anything that happened prior to your facelift that made you decide, okay, it's time now?

Spencer Hedges (10:16)

Well, I have been wanting to do it for a while. Right. And there's obviously the stigma that comes with plastic surgery and to be. I've never spoken about plastic surgery. And the reason being is, one, I don't want it to be my story, so to speak. I don't know. Uh, but also, too, I don't want to normalize it, because at the end of the day, I'm in a particular position now where I understand that I can have influence on someone. And especially now having a daughter, I want to be mindful of how my words are perceived by listeners. And I never want to normalize plastic surgery. I don't want to normalize Botox, fillers, lasers, because there is weight to all of that. And you have to be so thoughtful before you do something that is a permanent fix. And I hate even hate to say the word fix, but an adjustment, I should say, right? So I think it just got to the point, as I said before having a child, that I wanted it. And I just age, my genetics, everything was just going. Gravity was doing its thing. Right. I promised myself when she turned 2, I was going to call up Dr. John Bertini and just go for it. I'm just going to go for it. Working on camera, you all understand, like we see things that most people wouldn't. And I found filming that lighting needed a little bit more attention. I needed a little bit more fill light. I needed a little bit more this and that. So I went for it.

Sarah (11:31)

Yeah, I. And we discussed this prior to recording, but does anybody need these things? No, absolutely not. We live in a specific we and I'm talking specifically like the three of us are people that work in the beauty industry or work on camera. It's relative to what you do or how our peers 100%. So, um, that's kind of like how we approach things too. We want to offer people perspectives if they are looking for these things. But we never want to be like, you have to do these things. So we absolutely love your POV on it.

Kirby (12:00)

Yeah.

Spencer Hedges (12:01)

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Sarah (12:02)

Okay, let's move on. You moved to LA at 16. That is young. And did you just start working immediately?

Spencer Hedges (12:10)

Oh, gosh, no. I wish it was that easy. It's not as glamorous. And I'm sure you all met with such incredible people and guests. I'm. I'm sure there's a similarity in Stories where when I first moved, it was not glamorous and I was roughing and toughen it for a little while. When I was 15, I was unusually ambitious as a child and I knew I had wanted to move out to California and pursue a career in entertainment. I didn't know what aspect or what corner of entertainment, but I knew I wanted to be around creatives and production and lighting and the, you know, the art form of it. So I had become homeschooled. I got my GED at 16. I packed my bags, moved out of home from Florida and moved to California.

Sarah (12:49)

Wow.

Spencer Hedges (12:50)

And then. Yeah, back to your question. I didn't know I was not working. I didn't have any work experience. I didn't have any money, any education. I had nothing. And let me tell you, when you're young and you're broke, you get real creative real quick. And that's when I landed in makeup. I said, you know, I have this passion for beauty, and in cosmetics, at the time, I didn't understand, I didn't realize that you could build, you can make money from being a makeup artist. Because up until that point, just being where I was from, like being a makeup artist, you were working behind a counter in a mall, and that was the only lane you could work in. And while there was nothing wrong with that, and it was fabulous, at that time, I was a completely different person than I am now. I was so nervous, I couldn't approach anyone, let alone work in sales. Forget it. So when I had realized at the time that Instagram was blowing up, right, YouTube, I figured, you know, I could leverage this. I don't have to, you know, do the black and white way of being a makeup artist that as we knew it, I could work on clients, I could create content. So when I realized that there was just so much reach in social media and the change that I can make in people's lives and recognizing their own beauty, that's when I went for it. I didn't know what I was doing, by the way. Like, I did like it. Honestly, makeup kind of just happened by mistake. But when I realized that there was something there special, that's when I went all in. And it happened quick. Week after that. Wow, things happened quick.

Kirby (14:13)

Well, you obviously were very talented. Your aesthetic in your videos, like, it's. We said this, it's very cinematic. It's high def. It's different than, you know what, especially when you started doing it different from what was popular. Like, it was very, like, lo fi videos and filming on your phone. Why did you decide to make your videos this way?

Spencer Hedges (14:33)

Well, first, you know, I just. Being an artist alone wasn't fulfilling a part of me that I was really craving, which was kind of diving in and dabbling into the production, which I expressed in the beginning was what I truly had a passion for, was entertainment in that regard. So creating this beautiful cinematic work, it allowed me to kind of tickle that part of my brain and to be able to combine these two worlds that I had such a passion for and create more of an atmosphere and a world for my viewers. I kind of wanted to go against what I was watching and what was trending at the time. You know, there was a lot and still is in beauty. There's just a lot of noise. Everything's very fast paced and it's busy. And I just kind of wanted to go the opposite way and stay true to my personality and just slow things down a little bit and. And enjoy the art form of it and create a really safe space for my viewers.

Sarah (15:24)

That was the thing I picked up on immediately, which is not special to me. I think everyone that listens to you knows, like, you have a very calming presence. And when I wanted to go through and read some of the comments on your videos before you came, just to see, you know, what people were saying, of course they're asking you all kinds of questions, but then they're also saying, oh, my show's on. I can relax. Yeah, I can just chill out. And you have a very soothing cadence to the way you speak and how you put a brush to your face. Where does this calmness come from?

Spencer Hedges (15:59)

Oh, probably from, as silly as it sounds, from my severe anxiety, you know, I disassociate a lot and I could. That could be a whole other podcast, you know, talk for another time. But I am very anxious. And especially being a creative, my mind is all over the place. And I've just found over the years that, like, I have to soothe myself and it's just kind of become a part of my personality to be very calm because otherwise I'm just incredibly anxious. And then if I get to that point where I allow my mind to become so anxious, I go into a manic episode. I'm bipolar. I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder many years ago, and so I've just found that this helps me just stay grounded and in terms of work, and it allows me to communicate and translate my message as effectively as possible. Because when I'm all over the place, when I'm in work mode, behind the scenes, it's a whole different Spencer, you know.

Sarah (16:52)

Good for you, though, Spencer, that you got diagnosed. Was that hard?

Spencer Hedges (16:56)

No, it was confusing at first. I had gotten a mental health help since a very young age, and it was brought up a couple times. But, you know, when I'm 10 years old, 12 years old, doctors were so quick to put, you know, a title on what I was going through. So I kind of just let that go in one ear and out the other. And I think my parents were very prone to that as well. And I suppose when I had. Shortly after I had moved out to LA, I think I was 17 when I was officially diagnosed and I was accepting of it, that I became educated on it, I think I. I know for sure in the beginning, I misunderstood bipolar disorder. I'm like, I don't have bipolar disorders. Why does every doctor keep on suggesting that I don't go from this personality to this personality? It's not like that at all. At all. And I go through. Still through episodes that, you know, they don't turn off and on. They. They last for days, weeks mostly, sometimes months. Anyway.

Sarah (17:53)

No, we love hearing about this.

Spencer Hedges (17:56)

I'm never talking about that. That's kind of.

Kirby (17:58)

Oh, thank you.

Spencer Hedges (17:58)

I don't think I've ever said that out loud, so I don't think I have the right wording for it quite yet.

Kirby (18:01)

It's okay.

Sarah (18:02)

I said it. You were speaking beautifully. And I think that it's really helpful, too, because to your point, I think people that maybe are diagnosed with bipolar disorder or are told that do think, wait, I'm not this person, and then this person. But that's how it's been stigmatized. You know, I. I have to say, I'm just so impressed with you because you're able to bring calmness to other people now.

Spencer Hedges (18:24)

Yeah, it's a privilege. It really is, because. And that's really what my content. I try for it to be all about. It's. I know I talk about, you know, snatching the face, pinching the nose, and long lashes and now facelifts. Oh, my gosh. But there really is. I don't really care about a lot of stuff at the end of the day. I just want to create a safe space for viewers, and it's just. I want to create an escape for people with everything happening in the world right now and politics and. And just, you know, life. You know, you're just, like, trying to make it by right. If I can just give someone, you know, 10 minutes at the end of the day where they can just decompress, watch makeup. Whether they like makeup or not, whether they intend on contouring and. And doing a smokey eye or not, it doesn't matter. I just want to give them a safe place, compress, and enjoy the art form.

Sarah (19:14)

I also feel like it's a great advertisement for yourself as a makeup artist with your client.

Kirby (19:20)

Totally. That's what I'm going to say. If I were a celebrity or someone who had a crazy schedule and I was looking for a makeup artist, I would 1000% want to work with you.

Spencer Hedges (19:30)

That's a really good point. Yeah, I. I think that's something I would probably bring up to any artist who is asking for advice. It goes beyond technique. It goes beyond the products you use, but more so the service you bring and, and the energy you exude. Because working in that industry, as you may know, it's very hectic. There's a lot of people involved and quickly there can become too many chefs in one kitchen. And I think that's why I've had so many, specifically my entertainment based clients, my celebrity clientele rebook me so often and we've been so loyal to each other is because I do bring a calmness to set and I'm extremely private. Like I've never, I've maybe once or twice, but I've never shared who my clientele are. One, because I've never wanted to be boxed in as someone's, you know, so and so is makeup artist. I always wanted to identify as my own brand. But two, I just, I always wanted my clients to believe that. Listen, I'm not doing this for cloud. I'm not looking to be, you know, I just want to be provide a fabulous service to you. Right. And bring calmness in the storm.

Sarah (20:34)

I totally agree with Sarah. I'd be like, no. Yeah, get Spencer in here. I need to completely decompressed for an hour. No speak to me.

Kirby (20:42)

It's like meditative.

Spencer Hedges (20:44)

It's.

Sarah (20:44)

Yeah. Yes. Okay. So Spencer, you mentioned that growing up Cuban American beauty was quote unquote, loud and unapologetic. How does your heritage influence your personal beauty pov?

Spencer Hedges (20:55)

Well, I'll tell you, I can't start this answer without immediately discuss, you know, talking about my grandmother. You know, that's really where it all started growing up. She's Cuban and she really laid out the formula for me of beauty. So specifically with the, the Cuban culture, there's a huge emotional tie to beauty. Yes. It's loud, it's vibrant, it's celebratory in a way. It's polished even when life isn't so polished. And it's been fascinating over the years, as we discussed earlier, having master classes around the world, being able to observe how beauty takes up conversation in these different cultures and what it means and just to seeing how it's interpreted differently. It's been so such a privilege and it's been beautiful and I've been, I feel like really lucky to have experienced that at a young age. And looking back at it now, even though I'm not like that old, I know I look like I'm two minutes old with my face, but I'm 33, you know, but really I, I traveled at a young age and just seeing how beauty is interpreted like in the Middle East. Like, it's very structured, a lot of detail work, sharp and, and dramatic and gorgeous in that way in a lot of different parts of Asia, you know, it's focused skin is. It's more skin focused, you know, embracing more minimalism. And in the Cuban culture, it's more maximalism. And so it's. It's been really a beautiful thing to be. Be able to see all that. And then also at the end of the day, not to mention that realizing beauty itself is just an international language. Right. No matter how many different ways it's interpreted, it all makes us feel a certain way. And that is incredible.

Kirby (22:35)

So you have taught them these master classes, like you said, around the world. Dubai, London, Asia, Paris. Obviously, like you mentioned, there's different, you know, goals for each demographic. But is there a through line? Is there something like that everyone wants to learn from you or one thing that everyone wants from makeup?

Spencer Hedges (22:57)

I would say complexion. I mean, across the board. I mean, who doesn't want to have quote, unquote, perfect skin? And of course, that's a much more simplified way of putting it, but everyone, whether it be, you know, more of a matte finish, dewy finish, somewhere in between, everyone just wants beautiful skin.

Sarah (23:15)

Yeah.

Spencer Hedges (23:15)

So that's what I've noticed across the board is kind of the. The baseline.

Sarah (23:20)

What are your tips for beautiful skin?

Spencer Hedges (23:22)

Exfoliating, of course, and utilizing different formulas of setting sprays. Well, first becoming familiar with the difference of a setting spray and a fixing spray and how they can obtain different goals, but integrating both of them into the final complexion results. So what I mean by that is using a setting spray, something that has a glycerin. I think I was talking earlier about like powder melt from one size favorite because it truly melts the powders in any powders you use. I always tell clients, don't be afraid of powders, but learn how to work with them and not against them. And use a setting spray that's going to melt that in, create that dewy finish, and then lock it in with a fixing spray. Something that has that, you know, alcohol component that's really going to lock it into place all day.

Sarah (24:05)

Got it.

Kirby (24:05)

Do you have a favorite fixing spray?

Spencer Hedges (24:07)

Gosh, it sounds like an ad for one size at this point. But they, you know, they dominate the setting spray and fixing spray category. I feel like, performance wise, they're until dawn. It doesn't get better than that. I mean, it smells a little crazy. Yes. But I think that stuff works.

Kirby (24:23)

It works totally. That's what I love about Patrick Starr, you know, in a crowded market, he was like, this is what I'm doing.

Spencer Hedges (24:29)

Yeah.

Kirby (24:30)

And I'm going to make the best version of this for my fans and for people in makeup. I mean, it's truly so good. You're not the only one that says that. So.

Spencer Hedges (24:38)

And on that note, you know, when you. When you mentioned that, I think that's why I love one size so much. And not just Patrick behind it, but the whole everyone behind the brand because they are so thoughtful of their consumer. I know quite a few people behind that brand, and I will say this. They. They love their products, they love their employees, but they're obsessed with their customers. Obsessed. And they celebrate them. And at a point where there's so many beauty brands right now having a knockout product, a viral product, a good product is not good enough. I want to know what. Who's in these rooms, who's ha. Who has a seat at the table, who's really making the decisions, and who's a part of those conversations. And one size, I think they're at the top of the list for me. I love that brand. They celebrate their customers so well.

Sarah (25:26)

And yeah, the team behind the brand is really, really great. Very strong veterans. They get it. We'll just go on the record, we love powder melt. I'm obsessed because I'm a powder foundation girl, too. I really love it. I'm oily, so it really helps me out. And just I feel like it makes me look like I have a filter on. But everyone always asks me, like, oh, how do you wear powder when, like, you know, you're 39 years old and you're getting lines, increases and stuff like that. And I'm like, powder melt, babes. Like, I can still look glowy. I don't look completely matte or flat. You can have that glow with the powder melt. And also just like, using the right products in addition to the foundation.

Spencer Hedges (26:06)

Yes, completely. It's not like a one off thing. Like, it's all like one little dance. Right. And you have different people a part of that choreography that make it happen. You know, I've had clients who similar, you know, will use powders, but they're so afraid of it because they've also paired it with, you know, Estee Lauder double wear and, you know, an oil control primer. And then until dawn. And she's like, oh, my gosh, you got to add something in there in the mix that's going to add hydration.

Kirby (26:32)

Yeah.

Spencer Hedges (26:33)

Also, you look crazy.

Sarah (26:34)

100% I do la Mer, and then I do my powder foundation, and then I do a little glowy moment, and then my powder. Powder melt, and it's great.

Spencer Hedges (26:40)

Can I ask what you're using for? For powder?

Sarah (26:43)

Yes. Okay. So I use this. It's. They don't sell it here. It's from Shiseido.

Spencer Hedges (26:48)

Okay.

Sarah (26:49)

It's a SPF powder. It does not have the best shade range, I'll be honest. But, like, let's be real. But there is a shade called medium ochre.

Spencer Hedges (27:00)

Yes. They used to have that shade in their liquid lineup.

Sarah (27:03)

Okay. So this. I just. It. Whether I'm running an errand or I want to look really fabulous for an event, I'll put it all over my face. It covers my melasma. It just blurs my pores perfectly. And then I'll go in and I'll do maybe, like, a cream blush. I'll do a little of, like, this Prada highlight to, like, add a little bit of glow here and there. And then I spray the powder melt after, give it a couple of minutes, and then I'll go in with a setting spray with. That has alcohol in it. Yeah, yeah.

Kirby (27:33)

What do you like to use? Powder foundation.

Spencer Hedges (27:35)

I like the makeup forever. If I'm looking for coverage, I love Mac. You can't go wrong there. But normally, like, right now, and most times, I'm using the one size, the boucle silk. I've been using that for a while because it's a little. It has less coverage than what I'm used to, but I'm enjoying it right now.

Sarah (27:50)

Is that the one that's being reformulated?

Spencer Hedges (27:52)

No, that's the original. I think they turn up the base. Oh, my gosh. That is my ride or die, though. Turn up the base fantasy, because they got the rosy tones right. You know, brands miss the mark on that a lot. And I'm, you know, I'm speaking up for the rosy undertone. Girlies and boys out there, we need more rosy undertones.

Sarah (28:12)

No, I agree. I think everything's leaning so orange and yellow now. Everything's warm. It's very weird.

Spencer Hedges (28:17)

It's very odd. Yeah. Yeah.

Sarah (28:19)

Okay, Spencer, so you've shared a little bit of your journey about becoming a father to your daughter, Celine. How has the process of IVF and the reality of fatherhood changed your why in life? Has it changed your outlook on how you operate your beauty business? Has it changed your outlook on yourself?

Spencer Hedges (28:36)

Yes, yes, and yes to all of it. Ivf. First of all, like, I get the goosebumps Thinking about it because I just feel so grateful to live in a time that it's available. And not just that, but I had an incredible support system. My surrogate was my sister in law and that was. I will literally start crying. Oh, you know, it was the greatest gift ever, having her carrying my child because we had talked about it for so many years. I'm such a crybaby. I'm sorry.

Sarah (29:04)

No, no, please.

Spencer Hedges (29:07)

So being able to experience this in this lifetime, being a father, oh my gosh. And having again the resources to do it. So now how does it play a part in my life now that now that she's two and she's into dresses and dinosaurs and causing chaos, she's introduced chaos into my life in the best possible way. And I'm in a part of my life where I'm thinking about what's next. And I've always, I've been a very detail oriented person. I love a plan and I always follow through with a plan and I love structure and I'm very disciplined. I have to be because otherwise I go into those episodes. So I've always planned to have build my family and then to build my business. And that's kind of like where I'm at right now. And every decision I have to make I have with her in mind. And even before she was here, like I've tried to be thoughtful of her. And even from like we're Talking about my YouTube channel from the very beginning, every video, if you watch back at the end of the video, I say, and there we have it. Kids. I never was. When I said kids, I wasn't referring to the viewers, I was referring to my kids that I knew one day I'd be watching this. And it gave me peace of mind, like filming. Cuz I would get so nervous. I'm like, Spencer, just act like you're filming a video for your kids. And that's why I do all this. Anyway. I work so hard so I can have a family. So I try to be very mindful and thoughtful and I'm excited to grow a business too. Now I want to go on to those next steps. And I wanted to have a daughter or you know, a child and a family first so I could build a business from the ground up with them, not just pass down a finished product. And I want, you know, my kids to see hands on the blood, sweat and tears that I put into growing a business and stressing that no matter what, your customer comes first, your community comes first. Because I feel like that gets watered Down. Nowadays, with so many businesses, customers always come first. And I want to show by example, if so long as you put your customers first, you're disciplined, you worked hard, and you do things with, you know, morals, everything will fall into place.

Sarah (31:03)

What are the next steps for you then?

Spencer Hedges (31:04)

I'm kind of figuring that out. You know, I've been working on something for a little while now, and I think that's really going to come to fruition towards the end of the year, and I think it's going to take people by surprise. But, oh, goodness. I just been, like, running my mouth the last hour. I'm like, oh, gosh, I'm probably good. Hopefully my publicist doesn't call me up after Spencer. Facelift, Bipolar. This. That, like, is there anything else?

Sarah (31:29)

You're the perfect guest. We love to talk about all of these things.

Spencer Hedges (31:33)

And that right there is such a talent that you both have is making someone feel, like, so comfortable. I have to say that. And I. I don't know if I said it in the beginning. This is the first, like, sit down in Studio Pod podcast I've ever done. And not to say I don't usually do this stuff, but I don't because I. I just. So private and I never know what, you know, mood I'm going to be in. But you help. You both have made me feel so safe, and if I in any way give the same effect to my viewers for my channel, then I feel like I've done something right. So thank you.

Sarah (32:00)

You have.

Kirby (32:01)

We are so honored.

Sarah (32:02)

We are so honored to have you. Do we want to do. Can we do rapid fire really quick questions?

Kirby (32:07)

Okay.

Spencer Hedges (32:08)

Quick for my answers.

Sarah (32:08)

I know.

Kirby (32:09)

No, no, no, it's okay. First thing, your head.

Spencer Hedges (32:11)

Okay.

Kirby (32:11)

Okay. What's one thing you wish people would stop doing when it comes to applying their makeup?

Spencer Hedges (32:16)

Not applying their foundation onto their ears, and bringing it down to the neck and the back? Yeah, like, there's just like that stark, like, you know, transition. Bring it onto your ears, bring it to the back of the neck. If your hair's up in a pony or whatever, bring the makeup down.

Kirby (32:30)

Okay.

Sarah (32:30)

Okay. A product you think is overrated.

Spencer Hedges (32:33)

Honestly, there's so many right now. There's so many overrated products. Okay, I have the answer. Lip oils. I am so over lip oils. Give me something new to work with. I'm sorry. I know people are going to fight me on that one. There's only so many lip glosses and oils that I need.

Paige from Giggly Squad (32:48)

No, I agree.

Kirby (32:49)

I totally agree.

Sarah (32:50)

Is there an underrated brand you want to shout out.

Spencer Hedges (32:53)

I don't. I'm really obsessed with the velour lashes of lower beauty I talked about earlier because I don't really see many people using them. But the lashes are so good. Lashes are so good. And it's such an oversaturated market, especially like 10 years ago lashes. But these are really. They're good lashes. They're good.

Kirby (33:08)

Do you have a favorite creator right now?

Spencer Hedges (33:10)

Can never go wrong. Glory. I love her content. It never feels forced. I love her content.

Sarah (33:15)

Okay. And lastly, if somebody wants to pull their look together.

Spencer Hedges (33:20)

Yes.

Sarah (33:20)

What's the one product that will always do that?

Spencer Hedges (33:22)

Oh, gosh. I love how I said lip oil earlier. But honestly, a lip oil or a lip gloss. A good old lip gloss.

Sarah (33:28)

A little luminizer.

Spencer Hedges (33:29)

A little.

Kirby (33:30)

You don't need a hundred of them. You just need one good one.

Spencer Hedges (33:32)

One good one that you can throw in your purse, in your backpack pocket and your car center console. Just a good one that just doesn't let you down and goes with every outfit.

Sarah (33:39)

Amazing. Spencer, thanks for coming on. Los Angeles. We adore you. Thank you, thank you.

Spencer Hedges (33:43)

This was such a pleasure.

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