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Ep. 181.5: The Best of Hip-hop Special
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The beat is fresh and so is the trivia on the Best of Hip-hop special of Go Fact Yourself! We’ve got a boxed set of our favorite rap trivia from over the years, including some amazing MCs and DJs as experts AND contestants!
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I'm Helen Hong. And I'm J. Keith Van Stratton. And welcome to another best of edition of Go Fact yourself. The beats are solid and the flow is fresh. And that can only mean one thing. It's the best of hip hop. Yeah, we've had a lot of quizzes about hip hop on our show over the years, along with hip hop artists who joined us as experts and contestants. Jay Keith, do you listen to a lot of hip hop? I do have one channel pre programmed on my car. It is the old school hip hop that LL Cools J runs on Sirius XM and amazing. Yeah, I do enjoy hearing. I believe they call them old school jams. They don't say it like that, though. What about yourself, Ellen? They not like us. They not like us. They not like us. I'm sorry. Am I allowed to do that? I think so. But that means you have won the beef. Well, whether you're a longtime hip hop head or are still learning how to respect the meter, you'll find a lot today to learn and love. We'll start with a clip from episode 142 with comedians and actors Gina Yashore and Billy Gardell. Let's hear more about why Gina loves 1990s hip hop. That was just my era. That was when I was coming up. I was in London before. I'd go out nightclubbing. I'd watch MTV Cribs religiously and learn all the dance moves. So my dream then became to move to America so I could be in a dance video, a hip hop video with Public Enemy and Big Daddy Kane. Gina, who are some of your favorite artists and maybe some of your favorite tracks from that time. Public Enemy, Fight the Power. I used to love De La Soul. Okay, Queen Latifah, another favorite. Yeah, you got some fellow fans here. Missy Elliot. You know, I can go on and on. Gina. There's a great sense of nostalgia looking back at hip hop from the 1990s, but some hip hop hits from the 90s already included their own nostalgia. Take a particular song that became a certified gold single. It featured a wistful look back at times gone by, which may seem a little odd given the artist who wrote and performed it was was at the time a teenager. Take a listen to this clip from the track and we'll ask you your questions. Back in the day Back in the days when I was young I'm not a kid anymore but some days I sit and wish I was a kid again Back in the days when I was young I'm not a kid Anymore. All right, for up to three points, what is the name of this 1990s hip hop classic? What year in the 1990s was it released? And how old was the artist Ahmad at the time? He wrote and recorded it back in the day. 97. And the age of the artist at the time? I'm gonna say 19. 19. All right, well, Helen is taking note of those answers. We have an expert on hand who can tell us for sure. Helen, who do we have tonight? Joining us tonight is an artist who earned a gold record with one of the most iconic nostalgic songs from 1990s hip hop. The song we just heard, it's Ahmad Ahad. Hey. So sometimes I sit and wish I was a kid again back in the day. Wow. Welcome. Welcome, Ahmad. I'm grateful to be here. Thank you so much. Oh, thank you so much. I have to say, I've been watching your videos this whole week. You look exactly the same as you did back in the day, if you will. Thank you. Thank you. Very youthful. Thanks. I appreciate it. Well, in addition to your work in music, you also have become a scholar, a social worker, an entrepreneur, a motivational speaker. Tell us about your day job now. It's a little bit of a detour from the hip hop you were doing. My rap career kind of stalled. And then I had to figure out I had a son, a one year old son, and I was married. And I said, what am I gonna do? I said, God, give me a sign. I was at Long Beach City College. I saw a literal sign that said, enroll now. And I was 29 at the time. This is after a whole career of music. But I enrolled at Long Beach City College. Two years later, I was valedictorian. Then I went to Stanford. One of 20 transfers accepted. Wow. Yeah. And I became. I'm a counselor, therapist, and a success coach. So, yeah, and I'm a filmmaker. That's my real thing. My day job is doing that. Very cool. Yeah. You specialize in a certain age group in your counseling work. Yeah, I'm working with high schoolers and I love them. Are the kids aware of your hip hop background or when do you slip that into the counseling session? I help run the black student union. So every year they're like, rap, Mr. Lewis. And I'm like, like, no, that's. I'm not doing that. Not for free. Yeah. Well, let's talk about back in the day. It's got this incredible hook, this great sample. You were an executive producer on the record. Tell us about where that came from. And how that song came to be. You know what? It's so funny. My friend Kendall, who most people know as Red Food from lmfao, Right. One day, you know, we were at the end of the album. I just got a deal with Giant Records. I said, I need to do one more song, man. And he was like, I have this beat. You know, this. And then he gave me this nostalgic beat, and all I could think of is, like, back in the day, you know? And I just. I'm in the room. I'm like, back in the day when I was young. And then I just wrote this hook, and the last song on the album became, like, the song of my life. I love that you were a teenager at the time. You're like, back in the day when I was drinking coconut milk. Back in the day when I was inside my diaper. Well, let's get to the reason we brought you here. Ahmad. As far as our game is concerned, you heard the question that we asked of Gina. First, we wanted to know what was the name of that gold record song that we played? Helen, what did Gina say? Gina said, back in the day. And Ahmad. That's right. That is right for a point. Very good, Gina. Next, we wanted to know, what year was that song released? Helen, what did Gina say? Gina said 1997. And Ahmad San. 1994. Very close, though. It's reasonable. You know what? It might not have made its way across the pond for three years. It's a very. It's true. We only just got the first Color Purple. Exactly. That. That might have been a biased question on my part, but I'm sorry. No point there. And then next, you want to know, at what age did Ahmad write and record that song? Helen, what did Gina say? Gina said 19, and Ahmad wrote it at 17, released it at 18. Oh, but it was so mature in its content that she thought it would be 19. Degr. Reasonable. Guest, Gina. Gina, while we have Ahmad here, anything you'd like to ask or say to him? Oh, I mean, this is amazing. Did you ever come to England to perform? I did once. Where did you perform? It was a little spot called Bagley Studios. Oh, I know. Bagley. Osco nightclub in there. Yeah, yeah. And everybody, they were like, encore, Encore. That's great. That's brilliant. Excellent. Well, I know you've got a lot going on, but, Ahmad, if people want to find out more about you and what you're up to, where can they do that? IG is best. Instagram. Just the Ahmad show. The Ahmad show. The Ahmad show. Well, thank you for improving our show today, everyone. It's Ahmad. Ahmad Ali Lewis. Ahmad. Thank you for coming, Ahmad. Hmm. We heard Gina mention Big Daddy Kane. I wonder if that name will come up again later on. We'll have to wait and see. But first, let's hear more about hip hop from the 1990s and 2000s. That was the topic for writer Yvette Dion in episode 121 when she took on comedian Sean Patton in one of our Zoom recordings. I love hip hop. It's my favorite art form. I love following it even now, even though I don't know a lot of the younger rappers. But 1990s and 2000s is my sweet spot. Yvette. One of the top hip hop albums of the 1990s was 3 Years, 5 Months, and 2 Days in the Life of which spent 76 weeks on the Billboard 200 chart and yielded three top 10 singles. The group behind it also had another Billboard 100 single with a song that appeared on a soundtrack for a Spike Lee biopic, a song that Lee had asked the band's co founder to write and for which Lee directed the music video for up to three points. Who is the group behind all of these hits? For what Spike Lee movie did they provide a song? And who is that group's co founder who also serves as its rapper, producer, and songwriter? I'm going to say the group is Public Enemy. Okay. I'm going to say the co founder is Chuck D. And the movie. Why am I blanking on this movie? It's a biopic. First. It's a biopic. Ooh. I'm going to say it has to be Malcolm X. All right, well, Helen is taking note of those answers. We have an expert on hand who can tell us for sure. Helen, who do we have tonight? Joining us tonight is a rapper, producer, musician, and songwriter who won two Grammy awards with the seminal hip hop group Arrested Development. It's Speech. Hello? Speech. Are you there? Yo, what's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? Wow. How y' all doing? Oh, my gosh, it's you. Yes. I wanted to join in and rock with y' all today. Well, thank you so much for joining us. Speech. It's an amazing honor. My goodness. This album, three years, five months and two days in the life of last year, celebrated its 30 year anniversary. That just blows my mind. What did you do to mark the anniversary? It blows my mind, too. We Did a partial tour of all of Europe. We went throughout, you know, Greece and France and London and all throughout Europe. It's been amazing. We did more shows in Europe last year to celebrate this than I've ever done in Europe in any one year ever. So incredible. Oh, very cool. Those three hits that we refer to are People Every Day, Mr. Wendell and Tennessee. The album went quadruple platinum. My God. What was that year like for you? It was uncanny. It was just like a lot of stuff squashed into a small amount of time, you know what I mean? Because it was our first album. We're all young, you know, we won a ton of awards that year too. So it's just like making music, touring that music, meeting tons of new industry and non industry people, winning awards, making money for the first time in our life. Yeah. Now, the title of that record referred to how long it took to get a record contract. Facts. Yeah. Which actually doesn't seem like that long. I know. Three years, five months. I'm like, it took me way longer to do a comedy special than that. Yeah, well, I mean, truth is too, you know, I did other groups prior to that, so I only counted the rest of Developments Journey. Oh, okay. You're already in the business and working your connections, trying to make it happen for much longer. It's often pointed out that what you guys were doing was a contrast to gangster rap, but you actually liked gangsta rap. You just wanted to do something different. Yeah, so for me, it never was a contrast. It was to add to the narrative. Because for quite a while, our narrative as black people was only becoming that. And that's not the truth of our people. So I wanted to add more narrative to the conversation. And that's exactly what we did. I know that in Tennessee you used a sample of a Prince song, and you said that 99% of the songs that you ever created have been influenced by Prince and his sensibility. But the sample that you used, I was surprised to read that you actually didn't have his permission to use that in Tennessee. No. You know, back in the early 90s, it wasn't very concrete how sample law works. You know, hip hop was relatively new. It only been around for 10, 15 years. And. And so we used to think that if you sampled less than two seconds, you didn't have to get permission. If you sampled no melody, you didn't have to get permission. Well, in my case, it was less than one. Well, maybe one second. And it was not a melody. So it was just one of those things where I didn't think it was necessary. And so how did he find out about it? And how did you find out that he found out about it? He found out because it was a hit. It got to number one on the hip hop charts. And he was like, wait a minute, that. That guy sounds familiar. Exactly. And then I'm sure people told him about it as well. And then it got number six on the pop charts. And so the moment it went down to number seven, I got a call from. From Paisley park, and they was like, yo, Prince wants to talk to you. He's, you know, you owe him some money for this sample. And it was for the word Tennessee. That was it. Just that word? Yeah. Just one word? Yeah, yeah. That was from Alphabet Street, I think. Yeah. From Alphabet Street. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna take my backseat and drive to Tennessee yeah. Tennessee, yeah. But he ended up being cool about it. He. He could have given you a lot harder time than he did. At the time, I thought he was exorbitant. Like, he charged me a hundred thousand dollars for that word. And that's a lot of money for a sample. I mean, just anyone would tell you that. But the truth is, he could have asked for writing credits. He could have asked for publishing, which in the music industry is even more important. So to be honest, as time went on, I got it. Like, he actually did us a favor. Yeah, that's great. Let's talk about what you've been up to more recently. Arrested Development has a newer record out, and you've got some hip hop legends on there. Tell us what the record's called and who you have guesting on it. Yeah, it's called for the F in Love. It's our brand new record we put out featuring Big Daddy Kane, Master Ace, Moni Love, Bumpy Knuckles. I mean, so many dope, dope, dope artists. D1. I'm really proud of this record. It's just our love for hip hop, and it shows. This record, Boom Bap is fantastic, and we've gotten incredible, incredible reviews on this record. One of the coolest things that you've gotten to do over the years, I would imagine, is sharing a stage with Nelson Mandela. That's something that not a lot of people can say that they did. Tell us how that happened and what that experience was like for you. It is absolutely life changing, and it's something that I always remember as a highlight in my life. We donate money whenever we can to causes that we believe in. We donated money to the National Homeless Coalition. We donated money to the anc. So when we went to South Africa, we got a chance to meet with Nelson Mandela. We did a performance celebrating the lives of some children that were murdered there, and we got a chance to meet him, and it was just absolutely amazing. We shot a dope music video while we were there. It was just incredible time. And meeting him was a highlight in my life. Do you get time alone with Nelson Mandela or when you're in that kind of a situation, is it just being shoved from one place to another on stage? I got a chance to do a speech with him, so I opened up his speech. I did a speech, then we talked for a moment. Then he did his speech, which, of course, was a close of speech. He had just became president of the country, too, so it was amazing time. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. You know, a lot of times people don't like to say, you know, when they were an opener, who were they opened for. But in this case, I think that's. I think that's pretty legit. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty legit. Yeah. Yeah. Last thing I want to ask you about, we, of course, are all familiar with the TV show called Arrested Development, and I understand that there was a bit of a legal matter with that. Yeah. So, I mean, basically, you know, obviously, we're called Arrested Development. We had trademarked our name back in 92, 91, and we were just watching TV. I was actually watching the super bowl, and some sports commentators were saying, and coming up next is Arrested Development. And I'm like, what? You know, saying, like, we're not booked for the super bowl this year. Exactly. Yeah. So they were. So then the sports commentators were saying, oh, is that the group? Everyone was confused, including us. Long story short, we had to go to court because they had took the name Arrested Development. And. Yeah, and how trademarks work is that you can't use names commercially that somebody else has already trademarked commercially and especially in certain fields. And so TV shows do soundtracks, they do CDs and all types of different videos, of course, and we do the same. So, yeah, we had to go to court. We settled out of court, and things worked out. But, yeah. All right, well, let's get to the reason we brought you here as far as our game is concerned. You heard the question that we asked of Yvette first. We wanted to know who was the group behind all of those hits from that 1990s album, three years, five months and two days in the Life of Helen. What did Yvette say? Yvette said Public Enemy and Speech. It Is Arrested Development. Yes. No. A very reasonable guess, but not quite correct there. No point there for Yvette. Next, we want to know, for what Spike Lee movie did that group provide a song? Helen, what did Yvette say? Yvette said Malcolm X. And Speech. It's X. Yes, indeed. Spike Lee. That is correct. The song, of course, is called Revolution, which also was a top 100 hit for y' all in the same year as you had all those three singles from the album Facts. Oh, man. All right. And then finally wanted to know who is that group's co founder, who also served as its rapper, producer and songwriter? Yvette was all in on Public Enemies. So, Helen, what did she say? Yvette said check. And Speech. It is Speech. And let me say, by the way, Chuck D, he actually helped us get that soundtrack for the Malcolm X movie. Yeah. Because Spike Lee wanted Public Enemy to do that. And they had some. Some stuff going on that they couldn't do it. And so Chuck D mentioned Arrested Development. And so we ended up doing it. We're very, very grateful for that. And Chuck, I didn't even know that back then. Cause Spike and I had a relationship back then. But Chuck D actually told me later. He said, yo, man, I actually told him this, you know, so that was dope. That is. So you're sort of. You're sort of in the right direction. Yvette, I want to salute you on that. Thanks. Well, Yvette, while we have Speech here, is there anything you'd like to say or ask of our expert? I just want to say thank you so much for being here. I am shell shocked. Talk about an expert. Yeah. Well done. Well done. Well, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Much appreciated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That album is. Is. It's amazing. It's amazing. And it's an honor to get to talk. I hope to create things as good as that album, man. I really appreciate that. We all do. Thank you for that, man. Appreciate it. I think I still have the CD somewhere in my mom's basement. Dope. Dope. Well, now you got to pull it out. You got to rock it again. Thanks. It's been such a delight and honor that you've joined us. If people want to find out what you and Arrested Development are up to, where can they do that? They should go to arresteddevelopmentmusic.com and on IG, I'm known as Speech. Awesome. Well, you have underscored our show with excellence today. Thanks for joining us. Speech, everybody. Thanks, y'. All. We spoke to speech in 2023. And later that year, Arrested Development released the song Hip Hop Saves Lives featuring Chuck D and Grandmaster Kaz. Bring on the break. We'll be back with more of the Best of Hip Hop special on Go Fact Yourself right after this. Welcome back to Go Fact Yourself's Best of Hip Hop special. I'm Helen Hong. And I'm J. Keith Van Straten. So far in this episode, we've heard a lot about rap in the 1990s. But now let's get regional. In episode 167, solo show maven Sarah Jones took on writer Phil Rosenthal. Let's hear from Sarah as we quiz her about East Coast 90s hip hop. I cut my teeth as a performer first at the Nuyorican Poets Cafe in New York City for people who know that place and rappers would just pop up. Like, I did a show one time with, like, Jay Z was in my audience. Wow. I mean, that's why you met Rasheed. Hip hop. I mean, that's the language we speak. You know what I'm saying? I do know what you're saying. Yes. No, I understand. It's like a tick. Yeah, I mean, I'm working on that. All right, great. Well, it sounds like you didn't just enjoy this music. It actually influenced your art as well. It really did. Wonderful. Yeah. Sarah, two of the great artists of the era collaborated for one of the great tracks of the era with a song that was not only a top 10 rap single, but was also a top 40 hit on the pop charts. Take a listen to a bit of the song, and we will ask you your questions. I talk too much but keep my real feelings hidden. But what about that pimpin ain't easy stuff? Oh, I was just kidding. Cause if we unite, baby, I'd do you right. Well, I hope you met that mushy stuff you told Barry White, because I think I know you well enough to be understood. That is a duet with a rapper known by the nickname King Asiatic, Nobody's Equal, and a DJ best known for her work with Salt and Pepa. For up to three points, what is the name of the song and who were the two artists heard performing it? That's Big Daddy Kane. Okay. And the DJ best known for Salt N Pepa, that's Spinderella. Okay. And then a guess at the name of the song. Well, I have a Gen Z character who's, like, obsessed with the past. Okay. I studied this in ethnomusicology. I'm gonna go with all my love is all I have All Right. Helen is taking note of your answers. We have an expert on hand who can tell us for sure. In fact, we have two. Helen, who do we have tonight? Joining us tonight via Zoom are two Grammy winning rappers and producers who we just heard on that track. It's Big Daddy Kane and Spinderella. W. What is happening right now? What is happening? Can I just have Big Daddy Kane and Spinderella here in our presence? I think we do. Let's say hello. Hello, Kane. Hello, Spin. I'm dead. Hey. Hello. You guys. You don't understand. I'm not gonna make it through this at all. Like, it's the cane. You'll do great. The B, I, G, D, A, double D, Y, K, A, N, E. And Spinderella. Okay. You're, like, amazing. I love you, Spinderella. My goodness, just looking at some of your credits, it's amazing what you two have in common. Both of you have songs on Rolling Stone's list of the best songs of all time. Both of you won Grammys in the 1990s for best rap performance by a duo or group. And Kane, some of your most memorable hits in the 90s include I get the Job Done, Smooth Operator, and Groove with it, and Spin. You had hits in the 90s with let's Talk about Sex, what a Man, and Shoop, two legends of hip hop. Yeah. Well, this is not your first time seeing each other since 1974. Tell us about how you've stayed in touch over the years. I got a call, but Ken could tell the story the best. Yes. No. 1993. I reached out and said the concept about the song, and you agreed. And you came in the studio with your stomach poking out so big because you was pregnant at the time. Yeah. And you came in and did your thing. So amazingly. I mean, it was a beautiful night. Yeah, it was wonderful. Well, going back, I'm curious. I'll start with you, Spin. When did you first realize that rapping was something you were actually good at? You know, of course, I started out DJing. Sure. And then Herbie, our producer, creator, mentor, basically had this idea of bringing me on, you know, a track. And one track became two tracks, two tracks became 15 tracks. So I started rapping, you know, just to kind of fill in the space. And it turned out pretty good for me. So it was just a. A talent that I wasn't pursuing, but I just had. And Kane, you are one of the most influential rappers of all time. People of all different generations credit you for being one of the originators of that kind of Lyrical flow. A similar question. How did you first realize, like, hey, I think I got something here? I guess once I started going out on the road with Biz Markey and realizing that there was an audience that was receptive, what I was doing, I should say, well, you both had success before the 1990s and after the 1990s, but what were the 1990s like for you as an observer? It seemed like that was the time when hip hop was really crossing over into the mainstream. Was that your experience as well? Spin? Yeah, with salt and pepper. We kind of helped that along when we first came out with Push it and let's Talk About Sex came out, and then what a Man. And we found ourselves in different places, and we found, you know, that other people wanted to enjoy the music as well. So in the 90s itself, there's nothing like it. To see the trends coming back and to see all of that, like, coming full circle and people loving the 90s, I get it. I was there. And Kane, I don't know if you heard that Sarah mentioned that she had an interaction with a young Jay Z. You also interacted with a young Jay Z a lot. Tell us how you got to know Jay Z and actually kind of became a mentor to him. It was actually back in the late 80s. I was asked to do a mixtape with an artist by the name of Jazz O. When I came to the place, Jazz asked me, can his man get on mic and rhyme on a mixtape as well? And I said, sure. And after I left, the gentleman I was riding with, he said, well, listen, we're trying to get a new deal for Jazz, so we was hoping that you would possibly be willing to work with him. And I said, honestly, I kind of like the other kid better. I mean, is it possible I can, you know, work with him? And the other kid happened to be Jay Z. Wow, that's incredible. Cain, I know you've got a couple projects that people are gonna be able to experience pretty soon. There's a book and a documentary. Tell us about those. Well, the documentary is called Paragraphs I Manifest. Fest is talking about the importance of lyricism in hip hop. And we feature a lot of amazing artists such as some of the pioneers like Grandmaster Kaz, Melly Mel Jay Z, J. Cole, and even some of the battle rappers like Goods the Animal and Averb, talking about the importance of lyricists. And the book. The book won't be coming until next year, but it's called Just Rhyming with Biz, and it's me talking about you Know, just basically meeting someone in a shopping center in Brooklyn, asking them for a battle. And after winning the battle, that person looked at me and offered me a career, asked me to get down with them. And it tells our whole legacy together of everything I've been through and what I've seen ever since Biz put me on. And that, of course, was Biz Markie. Yes, indeed. And Spin, tell us what you're up to now. One, of course, I'm still rocking parties. I also produce a comedy show called Spinderella's Comedy Jam. Wonderful. Next city is gonna be in Houston, and basically it's a comedy show, and then the next day, it's a vinyl party. Very cool. Well, let's get to the reason we brought both of you here as far as our game is concerned. You heard the question that we asked of Sarah. We played that song and we first wanted to know what was the name of that track? Helen, what did Sarah say? Sarah said, all my love is all I have. And Spin and Kane. Mm. Mm. That was. Sorry, what is the name of the song? Spin. The name of the song is very special. Very. I think you know that. Yours truly, Big Daddy Kane. Yeah, absolutely. Next we want to know who were the two artists heard performing it? Helen, what was the first answer that Sarah gave? Sarah said? Big Daddy Kane. And Kane. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That is a point for Sarah and Helen, what was the other answer that Sarah gave? Sarah said Spinderella. And Spin. You're right. You're right. Big thumbs up from Spin. Another point for Sarah. Sarah, while we have these two legends here with us, anything you'd like to ask or say to them, I'm going to try to get both of you on my podcast because I'm trying to bring brilliant legends like you to talk about where we are in the country right now. So tell your reps. Excellent. Well, Kane and Spin, it's been such a treat to have you both. Kane, where can people find you and what you're up to? Well, on social media, you can find me on official Big Daddy Kane. All right. And Spin, I am DJ Spinderella on all platforms. You sure are. Well, what a treat to have you join us, Big Daddy Kane and Spinderella, thank you so much. Have a great night. Both of our experts from this segment have been busy. Big Daddy Kane was on tour for all of August this year, and DJ Spinderella was just inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame along with Salt and Peppa. Well deserved. Well, so far, we've heard quizzes where the topic was hip hop. But episode 87, with comedians Sean Devlin and Allison Libby went in another direction. They joined us over Zoom and in the middle of the pandemic. Sean's area of expertise was the career of Will Smith. When he started on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, that was right at the age where that was my favorite show. So that was really well timed. And then I think I really liked when he turned into an action star, which I'm not sure anyone expected. Right. But he did very effectively. Sean. We've asked about Will Smith's movie, TV and merchandising career, but of course, he's also had great success in the music business business, though he didn't do it alone. In 1988, Smith and another artist won the first ever Grammy for best rap performance for a single from their album, which went triple platinum, selling over 3 million copies for up to 3 points. What was the name of that album? What was the Grammy winning single? And who also got that Grammy win with Will Smith? His collaborator was DJ Gen Z. Gen. Okay. I think the single was Summertime. Okay. What was the name of that? 1988 sold over 3 million copies. Wanna say the Fresh Prince? Called the Fresh Prince. Okay. Helen is taking note of those answers. We have an expert on hand who can tell us for sure. Helen, who do we have tonight? Joining us tonight is an actor, producer, and hip hop pioneer whose many accomplishments include winning multiple Grammys while working with Will Smith. It's the magnificent DJ Jazzy Jeff. What? Hello, DJ Jazzy Jeff. There you go. What? This is incredible. How you doing, Sean? Wow. This is incredible. Oh, my God. I'm fangirling. I'm fangirling. Yeah. I'm speechless. Thank you so much for joining us, Jeff. Absolutely. You got into DJing at a very early age. Were you about 10 years old when you started doing that for people? I was 10 years old. I went to a block party in Philadelphia. I was mesmerized by the DJs control of the records he played and how people enjoyed it. I remember looking, saying, I want to do that. I want to make people happy through music, for sure. And you actually won some competitions early on? Yeah, won a couple world championships. I retired very early from that. Once Will and I kind of got together and we started making music and traveling around the globe. That became my focus. Well, let's talk about the work that you did with Will. You won that first Grammy for rap, as we mentioned, and that wasn't an entirely happy experience. We were upset, I guess, about how The Academy was handling that. Tell us about what they did and how you dealt with it. That was very early on in hip hop and rap, and we were excited that they added a category, but we were a little bit displeased that they did not want to televise it. And at that. At that time, rap music and hip hop was probably the number two music genre in the world. And we kind of felt that it was a disrespect that they did not want to televise it, so we chose to boycott it. It turned out that everybody else boycotted, and they ended up televising it the year after that and every year since. Wow. So you affected change. Wow. Yep. That is really great. I know you got a lot of respect from the hip hop community because of that. You actually won another Grammy a few years later. So what was that Grammy experience like for you? That was amazing. It was really funny because Will didn't think we were going to win, so I ended up going to the Grammys by myself. Oh, no kidding. And he was actually in New York at a hotel watching it on television. And when they announced that we had won, he tried to race over to the theater. So I had to go on stage by myself and accept it and said, you know, my partner, he couldn't be here, but I want to accept this on behalf of DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince. So it was a great moment. I was mad that I couldn't share it with him. Fifteen minutes later, the doors swing open. He's like, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. In addition to being an actor on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, you guys, of course, also wrote the theme song. And I understand that was not something that was so difficult to write and produce once you had the concept of the show. When the whole idea of the show came, I remember Will was saying that Quincy wanted to get someone to make a song. And I looked at Will and I said, there's no way in the world that you're gonna do a TV show and we don't make the theme song. And I literally made the song in 15 minutes. He wrote it, we recorded it, and I sent it in almost as a placeholder, like, okay, we're gonna come back and rework this later. And that's the song. And the version that stayed, I never got a chance to redo it. That's the theme song. And the exact crappy mix that I did to send it as a placeholder is still on the air. Your napkin doodling is now, like, permanently embedded in all of our brains forever. Yes. Yes. And that Quincy you mentioned, of course, was Quincy Jones. And is it a little odd to you that that's probably, when you think about it, your most known piece of work, like, around the world, millions and millions of people know you from that. The Fresh Prince of Bel Air is the biggest rap song in history. Oh, wow. Yeah. Cause I was ask to tell me one that's bigger. Tell me one that more people know, and no one could come up with it. In a music career, you want that one thing that stands the test of time. I actually feel like we were blessed with three. We were blessed with not just the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. We were blessed with Summertime, which is everybody's favorite summer song as soon as it starts to get warm. And we were actually blessed with the Fresh Prince of Bel Air TV show, which became something that generations have been watching. So I can't ask for anything. Everything could be downhill from here, and I'd be okay. Sean mentioned that one of the things he admires about Will Smith's career was that he was surprised that he was this rapper and sitcom star who turned into an action star. Was that something that surprised you, and what did you think of it as it was happening at the time? Not at all. From the day that I met Will, I knew that Will was going to be an actor. Watching him do what he's doing, there is nothing that he has done or would do that would surprise me. Oh, that's really spoken as a colleague and as a friend. You can really feel the warmth that you have for each other. That's really great. Well, let's get to the reason we brought you here as far as our game is concerned. You heard the question that we asked of Sean. We wanted to know what was the name of the album from which the Grammy for Best Rap Performance single came from? Helen. What did Sean say? The Fresh Prince and Mr. Jazzy Jeff. That wasn't right. It was. I will give Sean credit that he got me right. So that's my guy. But the album title was, he's the dj, I'm the Rapper. I knew that. Oh, darn. That's all right. Just couldn't pull it. You're under pressure. By the way, that, of course, was the first double album in hip hop, briefly. What was the motivation for releasing that as a double album? We had so many songs that we didn't want to give up. And when we were sequencing, trying to pick the songs, someone in the room said, can we do a double album and everybody just kind of looked at each other and it was like, why not? And there it was. Next, we wanted to know what was the Grammy winning single from that album? Helen, what did Sean say? Sean said Summertime and DJ Jazzy Jeff. Summertime was a Grammy Award winning single, but not from that album. It would be Parents Just Don't Understand. Yes, yes. Do you mind my asking how old you were when you made that song? I think I was 22. And parents still didn't understand. Not at all. No. Not just for teenagers. All right, no point there. Finally, we wanted to know who got that grand with Will Smith. Helen, what did Sean Devlin say? Sean said DJ Jazzy Jeff. And Sean, you are absolutely right. There you go. That's the one that matters most. A point there for Sean. Oh, it's so wonderful to talk with you, Jeff. Sean, is there anything else you'd like to ask or say to our expert while we have him here? Yeah. I'm honestly still in shock that you're here right now. I don't have a question so much. I just want to give you some love and give you some flowers. You. I'm feeling a bit emotional. You guys kicked the door down on television, on music and representation now is such a big buzzword, but you were the first through the door in a really big way in a number of mediums. You did it with principles. So that protest that you boycotted that first nomination, you know, people continue to boycott, right? Like, like Jay Z boycotted when DMX wasn't nominated. And nowadays they disproportionately put black performers on stage at the Grammys in comparison to the nominations. So you really set a precedent and drew a line for everyone that's come through the door after you. But maybe most interestingly, I hope you could listen to my album. I've been doing stand up for 18 years. I absolutely will. But let me give you flowers for your comedy. If you listen to my album, you will see that the kind of joke that I love most is a rare kind of joke. It's a joke where the punchline doesn't come at the end. It's a joke where you know from the beginning what the punchline is going to be. And instead you're just tickling people because they already know what's going to happen in the end, but you're just taking them for that ride before you give that to them. I now realize that you were the first person I saw doing this kind of joke on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Every time you walked on screen, we knew, oh, he's gonna get thrown out the house. Absolutely. And it's gonna be the same clip. It's gonna be the same clip. And I swear, if you listen to my stand up, I really adhere to a same. A similar way of telling jokes. Wow. And I have no doubt that somehow you influenced that from a very early age. So thank you so much. I'm really honored to be here with you. Wow. That was some of the nicest words anyone ever said. I cannot wait to listen to this album. And that was exactly right. I felt like I was the only non actor on the show, so the only thing I could be is myself. DJ Jazzy Jeff and Will Smith reunited this past June for the first time in years. They performed at the Capitol summertime ball in London to play a ton of hits, including Please say it, Helen. Yes, Jakeith, the Fresh Prince of Bel Air theme song. Ah. And if you love DJ Jazzy Jeff, we'll have even more of him coming up. Well, we'd like to take a minute, so just sit right there. The Best of Hip Hop Special is coming back on the air right after this. Welcome back to go fact yourselves. Best of Hip Hop Special. I'm Helen Hong. And I'm Jakeith Van Straten. Well, we've showcased a lot of rappers as experts in this show. Now let's hear from some rappers who joined us as contestants. Here's a bit from episode 165 with comedian Paula Poundstone and rapper open mike Eagle. Now, Mike, your album with previous industries is called Service Merchandise. It's named after the defunct company that some people might be familiar with called Service Merchandise. And there are several tracks that are named after other defunct companies like Fotomat. What do these places represent to you, youth? Yeah, they just represent old ways of doing things that we thought were important growing up. Because the group is three guys around the same age. We all grew up in Chicago ago. We're celebrating those old memories. Do you have to explain to some of your younger listeners what things like Fotomat are? Yes, and we just lie. What do you tell them? Photomatters. We just make up something different every time. Wonderful. We're gonna get your thoughts on something you might know nothing about. It is time to split some hairs with our what's the difference round. We'll have one question for each of you, each worth up to two points. If either of you gives an incorrect or incomplete answer, the other person has a chance to steal your topic. Today. Respect your elders. First up in Respect yout Elders is Mike. Mike, while they both are something you'd want to do to your elders, what's the difference between to respect someone and to honor someone? To respect or to honor? Respect is a general category of behaviors. Honoring them involves ritual somehow. There's an answer. It certainly is. All right, we have Mike's answer. We don't know yet if he's entitled. Paula, anything you'd like to change or add? I think respecting means that you believe in what they say and do. And honoring somehow involves a sword. It somehow involves a sword. All right. I wish I had said sword. Well, this segment needs an honor killing. Let's go to Helen Hong at the judges table for the facts. Here are the facts. Respect is a feeling of admiration or esteem for another person or institution. Honor is an action that demonstrates that feeling. For instance, I might feel respect for an old teacher who had a strong influence in my life. So I honor her by giving her a framed autograph photo of myself. We should all be so honored by Helen Hong. That's right. And you can show honor without feeling respect for a person. For instance, there might be an office holder whom you do not respect at all, but you will still rise when they enter a room to honor the office that they hold. But thank goodness that's just a hypothetical and nothing we'll ever have to deal with again. Helen, how did our guest do? I'm going to give one point each because, Paula, you said that respect is believing in what they say, which is generally true, and then honor. Mike, you said ritual somehow, which is an action. Yeah. One point each. Very nice. All right, up next in Respect yout Elders is Paula. Paula, your question comes from a listener. Who is it? Helen? I will let them tell you themselves because we have an in person listener question. Welcome, listener listeners. If you'd like to submit a suggestion for our what's the Difference round, go to GoFactor and click on Get Involved. Okay, take it away, listener. Thank you, Helen. Hi, everyone. I'm Bob Bowden from Los Angeles, California. Hey, Bob. Hi. And my question for what's the Difference? Is while they both might deserve your respect, what's the difference between older and elder? Bob Bowden, everybody. Thank you so much. Bob, good question. All right, Paula, you heard Bob. What is the difference between older and elderly? Older is someone who numerically is older than you, and elder is someone who's old but not necessarily numerically. Well, numerically older than you, but substantially. Substantially. For example, I am older than Mike, but I am not Mike's. Elder. Okay. And yet you want his respect. I do. Okay, well, we've got Paula's answer. We don't know yet if she's entirely correct. Mike, anything you'd to like, like to change or add? I'll just add that they're spelled different. Nice. Try to get some low hanging fruit there. Yeah. All right, well, this segment isn't getting any younger. Let's go to Helen Hong at the judges table for the facts. Here are the facts. Older can apply to people or things. Elder only applies to people. I can say that my car is older than yours, but I would not say that it is elder than yours. But I could say that I have an older brother or an elder brother. Except I don't have a brother. Well, as my sister would say, you're not missing anything. That's right. Also, older is always an adjective, but elder can be a noun. So you could say mind your elders, not mind your olders. Unless your elder's last name is older. And then you could say mind your older, elder, olders, elders. And I hope you do. Helen, how did our guest do? I don't think either one of you got that correct because you didn't get the key distinction of people versus things. Yes. I'm sorry, no points there. But let's now get to know our guests a little bit better. Well, Mike, your newest album is called Service Merchandise. It's with a group called Previous Industries, and it's something of a super group. It's you, Video Dave, and Still Rift. And the three of you go back takeaways. I went to high school with Still Rift, and I went to college with Video Dave. Wow. Well, you've coined the term art rap to describe what you do. How do you define art rap compared to other things that people might think of as. Well, you know, I find it now as a thing that I never should have said in the first place. Never, ever should have said rap. Oh, my God. It haunts me like a nightmare, this phrase. But it was meant to designate what me and some of my peers do that's different from what was going on on in mainstream rap at the time. Because at the time, mainstream rap was not weird at all. But now everybody's weird, so it doesn't make any sense anymore. You do such incredible rhyming, and I'm wondering, are you always thinking in terms of rhymes? What I used to do in my spare time was just listen to people talk, hear what they say, and I'd write down rhymes. I had notebooks just full of Rhymes. So my brain is just full of rhymes all the time, and so I just. Rhymes. You just did it. The fun for me is trying to come up with novel rhymes, like rhymes that I feel like I came up with. Well, thank you so much for bringing such fun to our show. Open mike Eagle, everybody. Thank you. Mike's newest album, Neighborhood Gods Unlimited, is available. Now we're on to episode 100, featuring the return of DJ Jazzy Jeff. This was actually our very first episode recorded with our friends at LAist, and the first Zoom episode we ever did as a live stream. Now, before Jeff had joined us as a surprise expert, and he had such a good time, he came back as a contestant competing with commentator Faith Saley. Jeff went old school and told us why he loves the early days of hip hop. I was actually around and playing music before hip hop came onto the scene. So I was one of those kids that were super excited every time a new song came out because it was a budding new culture that for the first time, I felt like somebody was making something specifically for me. Wow. Very cool, Jeff. The Rock and Roll hall of Fame inducted its first artist in 1986, but it took over 20 years until acts known for hip hop were voted in. The first group to join came from the Bronx and was inducted in 2007 with a speech from Jay Z. The second group to join came from Queens and was inducted in 2009 with a speech from an artist who just a couple weeks ago was announced as nominee for the hall this year. So for up to three points, who were the first two hip hop groups to be inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame? And what current Rock hall nominee made the induction speech for that second group? Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five and Run dmc. Okay, those are the groups. And then we're looking for what current rockhall nominee made the induction speech for that second group. Who is from Queens or perhaps who was heavily influenced by that second group group. It's not Brett Spiner, is it? I would say Q Tip from A Tribe Called Quest. Q Tip from A Tribe Called Quest. All right, Helen is taking note of your answers. We have an expert on hand who can tell us for sure. Helen, who do we have tonight? Joining us tonight is a legendary hip hop artist who's received a lifetime Grammy Award and was inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. I, a founding member of Run DMC. It's DMC. Darryl McDaniels. Hello. Darrell McDaniels. DMC. DMC in the place to be what's going on. How you doing? I'm beautiful. I am beautiful. Hello, Faith. How you doing? Hi. I'm so excited. To James Lapine and now you. My head's falling off. The collaboration we've all been waiting for. There are a lot of big smiles here in this call. It's so wonderful to have you here, Darrel. Thank you. Here's something we did not know when we booked you for this segment. You recently had worked with Jeff. Yes, Jeff. We have this song produced by one of the most incredible lyricists in the game. Yes. His name is. Most people know him as Freddy Fox. We call him Bumpy Knuckles. Bumpy Knuckles. We have a song called Me and My Microphone featuring DJ Jazzy Jeff, dmc, Ice T, and Chuck D from Public Enemy. Oh, wow. Everybody flips out about that lineup. I can't imagine why. Yes. It's the coolest thing ever. We're bringing you on to talk about the early days of hip hop and, my God, Run dmc, just the first that you guys had. I'm just gonna run through a little list here. Here's some of the first that Run DMC had in the early days of hip hop. The first rappers with gold, platinum and multi platinum album. The first rap group on snl, on mtv, on the COVID of Rolling Stone. The first to get a Grammy nomination. The first to have a top 10 album on the pop charts. They sold over 40 million records, had legendary tracks, including It's Tricky, Walk this Way, My Adidas. It's like that Christmas in Hollis. King of Rock. I could keep going, but my God, what a resume. Now, King of Rock is so interesting, talking about the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, because in the video, you guys kind of expressed, let's say, some feelings about the rock. Hal. Well, the funny thing about it is in 1985, we did a video and a song called King of Rock about Run DMC getting denied entry into the Rock Roll hall of Fame Museum. It didn't exist till 86. What? Yes. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, so you invented the Rock Hall. Yes. And then invented not getting in and then you got in. Exactly. And now everybody's mad at rappers getting into Rockwell hall of Fame. We did not know we was that prophetic. It was crazy. I do want to talk about your book a little bit more. It is a book for children. It is a picture book, which is something people might not expect. It is called Daryl's Dream. It's a book for kids about creativity and confidence and finding your voice. And I Understand, it was sort of based on your own experience of being picked on as a kid, but you were picked on for being good. When I was younger, I got teased, bullied, and picked on because, number one, I wore glasses. I was a straight A student. And the other thing was, all I did was read, collect, and draw comic books. And that being said, everything that was good about me, the world made me think, wanted me to think that I was worthless. But if y' all remember, when I started doing my hip hop records, I wasn't like, in the streets. I didn't sell drugs. I wasn't in a game. So hip hop gave me the power to let the world know. Daryl is perfect just the way he is, if y' all remember. So on my first record, I said, deez for doing it all of the time. M's for the rhymes that are on mine. C's for cool. Cool ass can be. And run with asking, why you wear glasses? I can see you know what I'm saying? And that was so powerful that I had a confidence in myself and believed in myself. And Jeff knows this. People that didn't even need glasses wanted to wear glasses. The book is to do two things. Let kids know you're perfect just the way you are. And like nerdy geeky dmc, you could become not just somebody special and have success. You could become the king or queen of whatever it is that you want to do. Wow. If I had heard that message as a kid, you know, I was very privileged in a lot of ways, but still, to have heard that message, what it would have done for me and my self esteem and self acceptance, I can only imagine what it does for kids these days. It's so great that you're putting that message out there. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Let's get to the reason that we brought you here. As far as our game is concerned. You heard the question that we asked of Jeff first. We wanted to know about the first two hip hop groups to be inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. Helen, what was the first answer that Jeff gave? Jeff said, grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5. And Daryl. He was correct. That's correct for the point. All right. There's a point there for Jeff. Next we want to know what was the second hip hop group to be inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame? Helen, what did Jeff say? Jeff said, Run DMC and Darrell. He was 100% right. But you know what ticks me off sometimes? A lot of people don't know that Grandmaster Flash in The Furries five is the first hip hop group to be inducted. That's the right order. It had to go that way. All right, so a point there for Jeff as well. And finally, we wanted to know what current Rock hall nominee made the induction speech for that second group, who we now know is Run dmc. Helen, what did Jeff say? Jeff said Q Tip from Tribe Called Quest. And Darrell. Well, he was partially right. Tribe Called Quest is also a nominee for the induction into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. But it was actually. He was just on tv. He was just on tv. He was just at the Super Bowl. It was Eminem who inducted Run DMC into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. Yes. Ah, no point there. But what did that mean to you to have Eminem be your induction giver? It gives a validation on a power and a representation. You know, Jeff, we toured Run dmc, Jazz and Jeff and the Fresh, Brisk, epmd, Eric P and Rakim and Public Enemy. And we always all gave something to each other. You know what I'm saying? We shared knowledge. We shared. The competition was us educating and inspiring each other. So for, you know, everybody says, okay, yes, Eminem maybe is the great rapper, but there's a reason he did my Rock and Rolls feet. Obviously, you and Jeff have this great history, but, Jeff, before we let Darryl go, is there anything else you'd like to ask or say to him? Listen, I'm just happy. I cannot wait for this song to come out. This is an amazing song. When Freddie Fox sent me this song and I did the scratches on it, I was just blown away. And I'm like, people are going to lose their mind when they hear this song. So the video, y', all, I can reveal this. We're going to base it on the Beatles last performance on the rooftop. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. It's going to be all of us on a rooftop, like we this group, and we're finally breaking up and hits the last performance of all of these great ones. That's great. It's going to be crazy. We can't wait for that. Of course, people can also pick up your children's book, Darryl's Dr. Wherever people get books. And you can watch your video ghetto metal on YouTube. Other than that, Darrel, if people want to find out more about you or your work, where can they do that? They could go to ww.thekingdmc.com and my Instagram is kingdmc. He is the king. He is the dmc. He is Daryl DMC McDaniels. Thanks so much for joining us on GoFact yourself. Thank you. Darryl McDaniels is staying busy beyond music. He's now on the advisory board for Music Will, a non profit music education program. And he's released a cookie brand called Coolest Cookies. Mmm. And speaking of sweets, our final segment for this episode is from episode 176 with actors Jody Sweeten and Mark Evan Jackson. Mark was quizzed on the lyrics for the classic track Knockin Boots by Candyman. Attention all listeners. That song is, first of all a bop, but also I was probably a sophomore at my very Christian college at the time. That song was, I think, one of many things that made me realize, like, I'm not sure I'm at the right school. Mark. Like many other classic soulful hits, Knockin Boots not only has other people say the performer's name, but Candyman says his own name multiple times too. He also says the name of a soul music legend who used to do the same thing for up to three points in the lyrics of Knockin Boots. What soul music godfather does Candyman name? How many times does someone else else say Candyman's name? And how many times does Candyman say his own name? James Brown. Mm. Candyman. Tell him the truth will still end up somebody else saying Candyman's name. I'm gonna guess I only know of the one. Okay. I'm gonna say one. Okay. And Candyman saying his own name. So Tone Loke is up top. I mean, I'd have to go through the entire thing. I'm gonna guess he says his own name four times. Four times. All right. Helen is taking note of those answers. We have an expert on hand who can tell us for sure. Helen, who do we have tonight? Joining us tonight from Phoenix, Arizona is a rapper and producer who co wrote and performed the number one rap hit Knockin Boots. It's Candyman. Hello, Candyman. This has been one of the most entertaining things I have ever seen in my life. Thank you. Are you saying this segment spoke to you somehow? Man, let me tell you, I'm fans of both of you guys, by the way. Thank you. That's bananas. Who I am. I'm loving it. This is among the greatest moments of my life. This is one of mine, too. I love it. This is an absolute honor. Thank you for doing this. This is simply ridiculous. No, and I thought it was too. I agree. Candyman. My goodness. Knockin Boots was a number one hit on the rap charts, a number nine hit on the pop charts, sold over 1 million copies as a Single going platinum, and it led to you having a top 40 album. Pretty impressive for Candyman. This, of course, was back in the 1990s, as about we talked. But you're still touring. In fact, you had a show last night. Yes, I did. I'm touring with Lisa. Lisa. Yes. Amazing. Oh, my God. Yeah, Lisa. Lisa is celebrating her 40th anniversary, and Knocking Boots was made in 1988, and it was underground for two years, but I got my deal with epic Records in 1990, so I'm celebrating my 35th year. Congratulations. Wow. What's it like performing that song 35 years later? What kind of reaction you did, are you getting from the audience? Well, here's the thing, as I, you know, I don't do a lot of new technology, and we get older, and because we were rock stars so early, I went from the Wild Thing tour to the Knocking Boots tour. Wow. So I lost a lot of brain cells. So the coolest thing about performing Knocking Boots is I can cheat my way through the performance because everybody knows it. Even if you forget something, you don't have to do nothing but just hold the microphone. If you ever need anybody. Yeah, he's number right now. Yeah. Well, Candy Man, I know it meant a lot to you to hear the show on the radio, but also on the countdown shows that would happen on the weekends. Tell us about that meaningful moment that you had listening to your song be a hit on a countdown show. Oh, man. Because, you know, I grew up loving all genres of music. Pop, rock. We all did. You know, we had. We were born in one of the best, best eras of music because we came from after the 60s and 70s that was still playing, and then, come on, the 80s and the 90s. So I was a fan of Casey kasem, America's top 10. You know, so hip hop was so new and underground. I didn't think there was a chance in hell that I would ever have a moment when Casey kasem, America's top 10, coming in at number nine, candyman, knocking boots. Man, I just sat there like, good God. It was a moment in time. So I'm so blessed and thankful for that moment. Well, let's get to the reason we brought you here. As far as our game is concerned. You heard the questions that we asked of Mark. First. We wanted to know in the lyrics of Knockin Boots by someone named Candyman, we wanted to know what soul music Godfather does Candyman name in the lyrics. Helen, what did Mark say? Mark said James Brown and Candyman. He is correct. He is Correct for a point. Very good. Next, you wanted to know how many times does someone else say Candyman's name? Helen, what did Mark say? Mark said one. And Candyman. Here's the thing. He said it right. He just doesn't realize what he said. He broke down the numbers as he was talking, which means the answer is. The correct answer is two. Two. I'm sorry. No point there. Well, you could give him a half point or a full point if you think that he was talking his way through it and got it right. I think he's got enough points. You gotta listen to yourself. All right. And then finally, we wanted to know, how many times does Candyman say his own name in Knockin Boots? Helen, what did Mark say? Mark said four. And Candyman. The answer is three. Oh, so close. But one off. So in totality you were right. Anyway, Math. Math is fun. Yes. So, Mark, while we have Candyman here, is there anything you want to say or ask? Should we be best friends? Probably. Yeah. Yeah. This is a legitimate honor. Thank you so much for this. Thank you for taking the time. Fan for decades. And this is legitimately cool. Thank you. Oh, man. I appreciate both of you. Yeah, it happened. Candyman. If people want to find out more about you and what you're up to, where can they do that? My Instagram is Candymanent. I have to get with the technology. That's what you can help me with. Let's talk. Be his technology friend. I'm in. Excellent. Thanks so much for being here and good luck on the rest of your tour. Candyman is. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Candyman. Wow. Wow. What better way to close us out? Helen, I have to say that was one of my very favorite segments we've ever done on the show. It was electric. And if you want to hear the full episodes we featured here, you can find them@gofactyourpod.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you so much to all of our guests and experts and thank you for supporting our show at Maximum. This best of episode was compiled and edited by Julian Burrell with assistance from Valerie Moffatt. Thanks so much for listening and I'll see you rolling down the street, smoking Indo, sipping on gin and juice. Maximum Fun. A worker owned network of artist owned shows supported directly by you.