Jenny Low Chang // 535

Summary

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Going West: True Crime

Episode 535: Jenny Lo Chang
Release Date: September 5, 2025
Hosts: Daphne Woolsoncroft & Heath Merryman (Dark West Productions)

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into the haunting and brutal unsolved murder of Jenny Lo Chang, a promising 19-year-old biology student at San Francisco State University in 1977. Daphne and Heath reconstruct Jenny’s life, the circumstances of her disappearance, and the shocking details of her murder on campus. They examine the investigation, the chilling presence of a key suspect, and why the case remains unsolved nearly 50 years later. The hosts also address how campus safety, the context of 1970s San Francisco, and rampant rumors contributed to community reactions and enduring family grief.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Background: Jenny Lo Chang

• Family & Early Life:

  • Born February 5, 1958, in Los Angeles to Chinese immigrant parents. One of six children.
  • Moved to attend San Francisco State University partly due to her father’s connection to the city.

• College Experience:

  • Studious, on the Dean’s List for three out of four semesters.
  • Majoring in biology, aspiring to become a dentist.
  • Known for being quiet, practical (made her own clothes), and responsible. Not involved in drinking, drugs, or partying.
  • Maintained a long-distance relationship with a boyfriend in Long Beach, CA.

"She was quiet, hardly anyone knew her. She didn't smoke or drink and wasn't a party person. She studied all the time."
— Friend, Lynn Hilliard [07:29]

Timeline of the Crime

• Disappearance:

  • Last seen by roommate Ann Thorson on Sunday, September 11, 1977, around 6:00 pm, headed to the basement library.
  • No witnesses reported seeing her en route; her low profile and small circle meant few clues.
  • By 6:00 am, Ann realized Jenny hadn’t come home and immediately reported her missing.

• Discovery:

  • At 11:00 pm the previous night, the library closed. Next morning, psychology professor Robert Suchek found Jenny’s body in a locked fourth-floor faculty reading room.
  • The body was identified by her roommate and friend Pearl Yee.

"At first Robert was so stunned by what he saw that he actually thought maybe some of the students were playing a prank on him... But when he realized with horror what had occurred... he called campus police immediately."
— Teeth [11:51]

Details of the Crime Scene

• Access:

  • The reading room was accessible only by key or key card, circulated to hundreds of staff and faculty. A master key had gone missing a month prior to the crime, widening the suspect pool.

• Condition:

  • Jenny was found nude, beaten, stabbed between 18 and 30 times with a small knife, and sexually assaulted.
  • Her clothing and belongings were neatly arranged by the door, yet the struggle had scattered furniture and thrown her sandals across the room.
  • Seminal fluid was found; the attack likely occurred between 7-11 pm.

"She had been brutally beaten, stabbed and sexually assaulted... Broken furniture lay scattered throughout the room, likely from her attempt to injure her captor after he trapped her and cornered her in that room."
— Teeth [20:19]

Campus Reactions and Institutional Responses

• Safety Concerns:

  • The first murder on the San Francisco State campus led to nighttime security increases, always-on hallway lighting, escort programs, and the "clumping system" (fluorescent poles for group walking).

• Student Criticism:

  • Students quickly blamed lax security, inadequate lighting, and unregulated access for enabling the tragedy.

"It shouldn't take somebody getting murdered for you to tighten shit up around here."
— Daphne [15:31]

The Investigation

• Leads & Challenges:

  • Over a thousand possible suspects due to widespread key distribution.
  • Notable homicide detectives David Toschi (Zodiac case) and Jack Cleary (Zebra Murders) led the investigation.
  • No romantic or personal enemies and no evidence Jenny did anything but go straight to the library.

• Crime Scene Specifics:

  • Locked room and vanished master key complicated narrowing down suspects.
  • Seminal fluid present but unclear if tested or stored for future DNA analysis.

• Suspect: Floyd McCoy

  • 23-year-old university library guard, on duty in the basement the night Jenny was killed.
  • Fired mysteriously one week after her murder.
  • Previously attacked another woman (escort) in July 1977, involving luring her to the 4th floor and attempting assault at gunpoint.
  • Later convicted in Nevada for sexual assaults while employed as a fire inspector, using his position for access.

“He finds jobs where he can be in power. That way he can just abuse it and take advantage of women.”
— Teeth [42:29]

• Evidence and Missed Opportunities:
  • McCoy never officially charged for Jenny’s murder due to lack of direct evidence.
  • Reports of a missing newspaper issue about McCoy’s earlier attack; hosts speculate he may have removed it.
  • Family and journalists (like Ellen Chen) have revived interest over the years, but advances like genealogical DNA haven’t, to public knowledge, been applied.

Alternative Theories

• Serial Killers:

  • Consideration of Zodiac, Golden State Killer, Rodney Alcala, due to SF’s 1970s context, but none fit the profile (access, MO, etc.) or had direct connections to Jenny.

• Gang Rumors:

  • Some speculated, based only on her ethnicity, possible Chinatown gang crossfire, but police and hosts dismiss this as baseless and grounded in racial stereotyping.

“Just because she's Chinese doesn't mean she's caught up with Chinatown gangs. Like, that's... yeah, guys.”
— Daphne [47:25]

Lasting Impact and Legacy

• Family’s Grief:

  • Jenny’s family, especially her brother Eddie, never received closure. Both parents died without answers.

• Campus Memorials:

  • A tree planted in her honor later fell, but a permanent plaque and the Jenny Lo Chang Memorial Scholarship remain at the university.

“The scholarship was meant for a student who will use their education and degree to, quote, advance the position of women. The Jenny Lo Chang Memorial Scholarship remains at SFSU today.”
— Daphne [56:09]

• Calls for Justice:
  • As recent as 2017, renewed calls for DNA testing were made. Floyd McCoy died in 2002 without confession, and legendary detective David Toschi passed away in 2018, but even he indicated there was a key person of interest, just insufficient evidence.

“He wanted me to let you know that there was a person of interest at the time, but there was insufficient evidence to proceed with that particular suspect.”
— Linda (Toschi’s daughter, quoting David Toschi) [54:22]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It feels, I mean it's not solved, but it feels like it is. Like Heath and I very much agree on this person of interest.”
  — Daphne [01:44]

• “But at some point in the evening, someone with exclusive access to a locked fourth floor reading room, room 432A, offered to bring 19 year old Jenny there for a more private studying experience.”
  — Teeth [09:53]

• “With advances in DNA testing, we can still kinda hold out hope that a perpetrator could be found, Even now, nearly 50 years later.”
  — Teeth [52:38]

• “What a mysterious case. But again, he I think you and I very much agree here.”
  — Daphne [57:34]
  “It's fucking Floyd McCoy fudgeing Floyd.”
  — Teeth [57:44]

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Important Timestamps

• Jenny’s Background & College Life: [03:19 – 08:48]
• Last Sighting & Timeline of Disappearance: [08:54 – 11:40]
• Discovery of Jenny’s Body & Crime Scene Details: [11:51 – 21:37]
• Campus and Student Reactions: [14:32 – 17:37]
• Investigation Focus / Keycard Challenges: [18:47 – 24:11]
• Campus Security Changes ("Clumping System"): [25:39 – 27:37]
• Suspect: Floyd McCoy’s Background: [34:15 – 40:51]
• Alternative Suspects & Serial Killer Theories: [43:20 – 47:46]
• Family’s Pleas & Renewed Investigations: [48:13 – 54:11]
• Episode Wrap-Up & Jenny’s Legacy: [56:09 – End]

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Recap & Tone

Throughout the episode, Daphne and Heath maintain a tone that is both empathetic and incredulous at the failures and missed opportunities of the investigation. They express frustration at institutional shortcomings and at the fact that, in their view, the likely perpetrator was never held accountable. While honoring Jenny Lo Chang’s life and promise, they emphasize the ongoing need for answers, justice, and remembrance.

“Resolution can still come for Jenny’s brothers and her sister, who very much want resolution here and deserve resolution here for Jenny’s brutal murder.”
— Daphne [57:47]

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For Listeners

Anyone with information about the murder of Jenny Lo Chang is urged to contact the anonymous tip line at 415-553-1166.

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This episode is a somber yet compelling deep-dive into campus safety, investigative hurdles, and the lingering pain of unsolved violent crime—while never losing sight of Jenny’s story as a person, not just a case.

Transcript

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[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Foreign. What is going on? True crime fans, I'm your host Teeth.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

And I'm your host, Daphne.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

And you're listening to Going West.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Hello everybody. Thank you so much for tuning in today. I stumbled upon today's case randomly online. I couldn't find any suggestions for it, which is really surprising because this is a very mysterious 1970s San Francisco case and there is still such a fascinating suspect in this one. Like it feels, I mean it's not solved, but it feels like it is. Like Heath and I very much agree on this person of interest.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Oh absolutely. And there's definitely some names that you guys will recognize in this case as well as we go along. So pay attention to that as well. But yeah, thank you guys for being here and I don't think we have anything else to say before we dive into this one. So this is episode 535 of Going West. So let's get into it.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

In September of 1977, a promising 19 year old college student in San Francisco disappeared after heading to study in her university's library. Horrifically, she was found brutally murdered the next morning in a locked faculty reading room, her belongings neatly piled nearby. With an attack on another local woman Occurring in the same area that same summer, an intriguing, disturbing suspect came into play. This is the murder of Jenny Lo changing. Jenny Lo Chang was born on February 5, 1958, to parents Suk Yu and young Hong Chang in Los Angeles, California. The daughter of Chinese immigrants. Her dad actually traveled to the U. S From Canton, China, at the young age of 9 years old, settling with his family in San Francisco before later moving south to Los Angeles. And there in la, he met and married Jenny's mom, a fellow transplant from China, where who had spent many years in California too. Jenny hailed from a large family, growing up alongside a sister named Shirley and brothers Eddie, Richard, Dennis and Philip. So six kids in this family. She graduated from Woodrow Wilson high school in 1975, which is in Northeast LA, and headed for her dad's former hometown of San Francisco for college, enrolling at San Francisco State University. And it's kind of extra devastating that this familial connection is what brought her up to San Francisco, because only a couple years after she graduated is when something would happen at this very school.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, it's like she wanted to spend time where her dad had spent time in his earlier years. And sadly, that ended up being the scenario in which her life was taken.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Well, let's talk a little bit more about her time at this college before what happened happened. So she was actually very quick to make a great impression there. She scored a position on the dean's list for three of the four semesters that she studied there. And in the late summer of 1977, she was heading into her fifth term at San Francisco State. So the beginning of her junior year. And for anybody who can't look at the photos that we posted on socials, this college is located in southwestern San Francisco. It is in the Lake Merced neighborhood. So it's a really beautiful spot near the bay. It's, like, surrounded by a lot of different nature areas.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, it's beautiful.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, it's right by Lake Merced. Of course, is in the Lake Merced neighborhood. It's by the San Francisco Zoo, etc. I imagine back in the 70s, it was even more green and lush and less residential. But I also saw it described online as, quote, it's safe, not terribly exciting.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Okay, so it's just not a super happening place, but a great place to go and study.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

You're not like downtown, but you're also not far from downtown. So I feel like it's actually probably a pretty nice place to be. It is a little bit tucked away, but that also makes it A little bit safer, which is good to know just based on what is to come. But anyway, so Jenny was majoring in biology with aspirations of becoming a dentist. And she very much kept her head down in school. Like, she studied hard. Hard. She mostly kept to herself because she kind of viewed her college experience as a conduit to her future career and not necessarily an opportunity to date or party. She was just trying to do college the way that college is supposed to be.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, the way it was actually intended to be.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. But outside of her studies, she did enjoy jogging, and she had recently taken up self defense classes. A friend of hers named Lynn Hilliard recalled, quote, she was quiet, hardly anyone knew her. She didn't smoke or drink and wasn't a party person. She studied all the time. Another friend and fellow student named Pearl Yee echoed, she was very smart. So she excelled in school. She was very at peace and calm and together. Pearl also described her as practical, adding that she saved money by sewing her own clothes. Now, Jenny mentioned to a few friends that she had a boyfriend down in Long beach, and that is in the South Bay, just south of Los Angeles. And apparently they were in a committed long distance relationship. So Jenny had no interest in dating up in San Francisco. You know, she had her few friends, and she really didn't reach outside of that small circle to fit in or to go out. She was happy with how she lived. And again, she was never known to smoke, drink, or take drugs. She was a very good, kind of responsible gal. And she was 19. Anyway. She was still very young.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. So it's not like she's gonna go out to the bars and drink anyway.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Unless she had a fake id, which she did not.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Right. Doesn't seem like a Jenny thing to do.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Absolutely not.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Well, the last time Jenny was seen alive was on the evening of Sunday, September 11, 1977, when she was headed out for a nighttime study session. Jenny's roommate, Ann Thors Thorson. Wow, that's a hard name to say. Anne Thorson claimed that Jenny left their Merced hall Dorm room around 6pm telling Ann that she was headed to the basement of the library building. But investigators weren't able to find anybody who saw her after Anne saw her leaving, despite the fact that she would have had to walk all across campus. So whether people were just kind of like, not paying attention or she just kind of blended in or something else mysterious is going on here, we really can't be sure about that.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

I mean, as we know, a lot of people didn't know Her. So she probably, again, she kept her head down. She probably just minded her own business and walked and nobody noticed.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

She had a small circle of friends and she kept to that small circle.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

But that's important to note that there's very few witnesses in this case.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Exactly. But at some point in the evening, someone with exclusive access to a locked fourth floor reading room, room 432A, offered to bring 19 year old Jenny there for a more private studying experience.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Okay, so an exclusive locked room, which probably would have been very enticing to her, even on a potentially already quiet Sunday.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. I mean, what an offer, right?

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, she wants a more quiet place to focus on her work.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

So this particular room was a private faculty reading room inside the J. Paul Leonard library. And it had typewriters in that room.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

As well, so the faculty could use the typewriter. So that would also be something that could be enticing to Jenny is she would have access to a typewriter if she wanted to work on her paper.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Right. And actually later found among her books and personal effects was an unfinished essay which led investigators to believe that perhaps she had been lured to the fourth floor with the promise of being able to use one of these typewriters. But sadly, Jenny would never leave that room. The basement library closed for the day at 11pm and at 6am, Jenny's roommate Ann awoke to find that Jenny hadn't come home. Which was completely unlike Jenny, who was a responsible homebody with a regimented schedule and would not want to stay out all night for any reason, especially on a school night. And this was so worrisome and out of the ordinary that ann actually reported 19 year old Jenny missing early that morning. So she's like, this is like so far out of the realm of what Jenny would do. I just have to report her missing because she would never do this.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

And she has nowhere to go. It's not like she has a boyfriend in the area whose room she could have stayed at. There's no reason for her to not sleep in her bedroom. And she couldn't have slept at the library because they closed at 11 like you just said.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Very true. Now, a few hours later, a psychology professor named Robert Suchek entered the reading room with his faculty card. Now, at first Robert was so stunned by what he saw that he actually thought maybe some of the students were like playing a prank on him. Especially with it being September, they're slowly approaching, you know, Halloween time. So he's kind of thinking, what am I looking at here? But when he realized with horror what had occurred in that room. He called campus police immediately because inside that reading room was the dead body of a student. And we'll dive into the details of how she was found in a minute here, but let's quickly talk about the shock of this news. So Ann, her roommate, was completely in shock about all of this, but agreed to identify Jenny's body at the coroner's office so that her autopsy could begin as soon as possible. Jenny's friend Pearl also viewed the body and remembers. In my mind, I remember saying, it's not you. It's not you. Let it be a mistake. But it was very clear that it was her. Meanwhile, back in Los Angeles, Jenny's family was being notified of the devastating news as well. Her brother Eddie remembered. My father told me when I came home from school, it was a horrible piece of information. My mother was crying. My father said that she was stabbed to death. The entire campus was shocked, saddened, and just gripped in fear. Not only that one of their own was taken, but that it happened so violently on their campus. Jenny was the first murder ever to take place on this campus. To support the fears of the students, the campus housing director and campus police chief announced that they would add a second nighttime security manager to kind of curb any future potential crime. As they tried to figure out exactly who was responsible for this, they also announced that hallway lights would now be left on 24 hours a day. But students quickly came forward to blame misconduct on the part of the university, saying that the lighting in the dorms and the parking areas was just too dim and inconsistent and that the custodial staff was too large and mostly unknown to the students. Also that strangers would often sneak onto campus and use the bathrooms there, which I find very strange that you've got all this security and these people roaming around and that they would allow these people who don't go to school there to use the bathrooms.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Well, I think that's part of the problem, is that the students are saying the security isn't tight enough, that random people are allowed. You know, it's not like they're like, hey, where's your student ID or whatever. This is also the 70s. But even I remember when I was in high school, security was kind of an issue, and I graduated in 2013. And, like, I remember that being discussed as a problem, that they needed to have people by the entrances and exits of the school to check to make sure that strangers weren't coming on campus. And that was almost 40 years after this. So I guess I could see why you Know, you have to staff all these people to do that. And maybe they thought that they didn't need to.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. And maybe that just wasn't like a huge part of their budget because they're doing the best that they can with what they've got. But, you know, at this point, students are saying it's just not enough.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

But that's what's kind of interesting is that suddenly they're like, oh, we'll do this, this, this, and this. It's like they didn't suddenly get a bigger budget.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Why didn't you shared? Why didn't you just do that in the first place?

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Well, that is literally the problem. You know, that's what the students are saying. Like, hey, it shouldn't take somebody getting murdered for you to like, tighten shit up around here. So Carmen Visaya, who is a friend of Jenny's, had known her since they started freshman year together and remembered Jenny's aspirations of becoming a dentist, especially after getting her own braces removed the prior semester. Carmen remembered, quote, she was the type that would always talk to you when you had problems. She would always tease you in a good natured way to keep your spirits up. She was the one who was telling me what classes to take. Now, Carmen last saw her on the afternoon of her murder at around 4:30pm Remember, Heath told us that she left her dorm at 6pm, so this was shortly before when they were both eating an early dinner. Carmen remembered that Jenny would normally study in the second floor library, but that she set her sights on the basement library that Sunday evening in particular because the second floor library was closing early. Now, that Sunday night, the top four floors of the library were closed and locked at 5pm, but a library in the basement was kept open until 11pm, as we know, which is likely where Jenny was headed until someone intercepted her journey and offered to take her to the private study area. An investigation into her murder began immediately. And actually, get this. Jenny's murder investigation was helmed by David Toski, who is known in San Francisco for his investigation of the Zodiac killer from a decade earlier. I'm sure even if you don't really know the case or you've seen the movie Zodiac, you will know who David Toschi is.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yes, you know Toski. Come on, guys.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

That's Mark Ruffalo.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, it is.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

And then also alongside David was Jack Cleary, who is remembered for his work on the zebra murders. So at the the helm of the investigation are two investigators.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Two investigators who were behind major cases. So you Would hope that that would make a huge difference. Right. Well, it was a tough investigation from the jump because aside from her boyfriend in Long beach, so nearly seven hours south of San Francisco, by the way, Jenny had no known romantic history on campus or in the city of San Francisco. That was not her thing.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Right. So this is the first thing that police are trying to look at. They're like, is there any romantic connection to where somebody would want to hurt her?

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

That's like the best first place to look. Like a scorned lover type situation. It often is that or like a weird friend. But again, she didn't have a big circle. It was really small and tight, really consisting only of girls that were very similar to her. And so it was, it was tough because they also didn't believe that Jenny had gone anywhere else before the library, just based on how she was dressed and the fact that she was still carrying all of her books and her schoolwork with her. So it's not like she went to the store and there was a creep there who followed her back to school. There's no, like, they have nothing to go off of really.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Right.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Except for the fact, of course, that the crime was committed in a locked room that you needed a key card for, which we're going to talk about a lot today. And then of course, Jenny was known for her sweet, very soft spoken nature. And nobody that police interviewed could fathom anybody wanting to hurt her. She was not an enemy collector. So detectives were quick, like I said, to point out that she could not have accessed that room by herself because the library was closed and locked and only those in possession of a key or a key card were able to access it. So whoever had brought her there was most likely the person who took her life. Though Jenny's murder may have been an impulsive crime of opportunity, the crime scene left behind wreaked the of overkill and revenge. And whether that be, I want to say it now, revenge against Jenny or women, we can't say just yet.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Well, let's talk about the crime scene a little bit here just to show you guys how horrific of a discovery this really would have been. Now, 19 year old Jenny Low Chang was found nude on the floor of this reading room. She had been brutally beaten, stabbed and sexually assaulted. And seminal fluid was found on her body, indicating that the motive behind the crime may have been sexual. Obviously I say may, may have been because it's, it's not clear whether or not this was the true motive.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, like maybe that was just. This sounds so morbid but like a bonus, right?

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Like just an opportunity.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Even though it does feel like probably was the motivation.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

I mean, I think it was. But anyway, so she sustained at least 18, but as many as 30 stab wounds to her chest and abdomen from a small knife. In addition to her stab wounds, a heavy metal trash can found near her body had been used to beat her, though Jenny fought back valiantly. Broken furniture lay scattered throughout the room, likely from her attempt to injure her captor after he trapped her and cornered her in that room. And eerily, her clothes and schoolwork had been neatly piled by the door, though the sandals she had been wearing had been flung about 15ft from her body during the struggle. Her autopsy concluded that the murder had likely taken place between 7pm and 11pm so at least an hour after she left her dorm, after someone with exclusive access to that locked fourth floor reading room seemingly offered her entry.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

And it's really awful because this clearly was incredibly brutal, but there was nobody around to hear it. There was nobody else there to witness it. So we can imagine that she was probably quietly studying when nobody was around. And then somebody said, hey, do you want to write your paper on one of the typewriters in the private faculty room? And she said, oh, sure. And then they took her in there and knew that nobody was gonna come in, and they attacked her.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, it's. It's. It seems like a place that feels very random for a murder, because you would assume, you know, like a library, there's probably a lot of people in there studying, but there's so many levels to this library and so many different rooms to lock yourself in that I feel like nobody. Nobody really would hear a thing.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

And it's Sunday, so I wish we knew really how many people were in there anyway, which is part of why I think the typewriter angle was so important here. But that's another reason why as well. It feels like it was a crime of opportunity. It's not like somebody knew that Jenny was in the library and that that's where they could kill her, especially because of that, the. The need for the key card. So in. In my head, mostly based on what we know that's to come, I would not be surprised if somebody saw her and decided to lure her there, just like you worded it earlier.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I absolutely agree. Well, within two days of the murder, police had compiled A list of 400 names to sift through in hopes of just identifying a possible suspect. Though they admitted that they had few concrete leads, they did have some ideas. Now, unfortunately, Over a thousand keycards and keys had been distributed over campus before her murder. So it was going to be incredibly difficult to track down every single person who had access to one of these keys or keycards. The university acknowledged that about 200 school personnel had keys and another 1200 faculty and administrators had keycards as well. So they're looking through a shit ton of people trying to figure out how they can narrow down all these people that have access to this room.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

And that doesn't even include, like, the infinite number of people who could have stolen or borrowed a car discreetly from someone, which is possible. I actually recently finished a thriller novel. It's fiction, but still where the killer got around discreetly by using somebody else's borrowed card. So, I mean, who knows?

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. So clearly the police have too many possibilities here, especially since there was no clear suspect in her personal life at all. So as police worked at this impossible task, the university continued their attempts at lessening the fears of its students and curtailing the amount of bad publicity. The university's president, Dr. Paul F. Romberg, issued a statement saying, while crime such as this occurs daily in urban settings, the circumstances surrounding the crime on our campus have caused me to initiate an immediate and thorough review of all security arrangements for San Francisco State University. He announced the advent of a telephone escort program for anybody needing someone to walk with them at night. And Dr. Romberg added, we encourage night faculty to talk to their students and urge them to proceed to parking areas and. And bus stops in groups after night classes.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

The problem is that this action, which, of course, I see that they're trying really hard, but this doesn't account for the perpetrator potentially being a security officer.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yes. And that is something that we are going to talk about. Romberg then concluded with, quote, the university community joins me in deploring the tragic and senseless murder of Jenny Changing. And I have conveyed my deepest sympathies to her parents.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

So the campus also implemented what they called a clumping system.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

This is such a. Like, this is so weird, honestly, but go ahead.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

So, no, I agree, because it's like, well, hold on. Basically, guys, the clumping program meant that there would be polls across campus that were painted a bright fluorescent color, and students could meet at the polls to walk back to their dorms together in clumps. Which was, you know, an interesting idea to keep the nearly 1500 students spread between three buildings on campus safer. But it's also like. Like, how long is someone gonna stand there waiting for, Like, I'm at the pole. It's been 20 minutes at the pole.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I just think it's kind of a silly idea. Like, we painted these poles fluorescent colors so you guys can see them. And if you see somebody standing over there, just go ahead and walk with that person. It's like, you could do that without the fluorescent poles, I guess. I don't know.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Anyway, they're. They're trying.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

I mean, they are definitely trying, but.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Well, a handful of students would also be employed by the university and armed with walkie talkies, working with campus police to walk the campus and just support any. Or report, Sorry, any suspicious activity.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

And, I mean, I think this makes a lot more sense, like, people having the ability to contact one another in case they see something that makes sense.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Well, it's also nice because they put free telephones around campus so that anybody could call into the campus office and alert office admin when they were leaving or when they would be home. So that if somebody failed to conclude their route, there would be somebody out looking for them who knew the path that they were planning on taking. Like, they're. They're trying a lot of different ideas out here, but it's also kind of scary because they don't know who did this. So they're saying, oh, in case this happens again, we'll at least know where you were going. And it's like, that is cold comfort, y'.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

All. Yeah. On top of that, it's like, with this whole clumping idea, how do you know you're not gonna get clumped in with a killer?

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Well, yeah, it's exactly like I said with the security staff, like, because they don't know who it is, it's hard to know exactly what measures actually will help.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

But obviously, they have to trust their security staff. You know, that's the only thing that.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

They can really do, and they have to do something. And it seems like they at least aren't. Aren't just being like, oh, well, this was a horrible tragedy, and we don't know what happened, so just forget about it. They're saying, we are trying to do better for you guys. Well, back in Los Angeles, Jenny's family held her memorial service and burial at the Forest Lawn Memorial park in Glendale, California. After they brought her body home to them that same day, San Francisco State University officials announced a potentially crucial finding that they had determined that a master key that would have opened all the locked doors on campus had been missing since August 10th. But whether it had been innocently lost or deliberately stolen a month earlier, they could not determine.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

So, yeah, Daph, you may have been onto something there.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Which is, you know, it's great that they discovered this, but it just makes the pool truly so much bigger. And also, was the stolen key the one. It really just brings more questions because we. It's not like they said, oh, this key, it belongs to this person. And they said their friend acted weird that night. They don't even know who that key belongs to.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. And again, this is, you know, the 1970s. So it's not like you're gonna have. You're not going to be able to scan, and it's going to be able to tell who is going into that room. It's just going to scan and open the door. Because back when I was going to college, while I went to community college, but we still even had, like, if you use your card to scan in somewhere, like, it would tell you, like, who is trying to open that door. It would say. It would say my name, you know, so that's something that is probably a lot more prevalent on campuses today, but not so much back in the 1970s.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. I'm also kind of almost shocked they even had key cards in that. In that way.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

I kind of was shocked as well, to be honest.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

So naturally, they're super different. But a few days after Jenny's burial, a memorial was held for her on campus as well so that local students could mourn her. And actually, more than 200 peers, friends, and faculty showed up to her dorm to plant a tree in her honor. And multiple speeches were made to memorialize her. Dr. Paul F Romberg again spoke in her honor, saying, children do leave home and are called upon to face the world. In many ways, she was a model student. But Jenny is gone. Her life was savagely taken. I call on each of you to make her life a shining example. A reverend who spoke in her honor echoed quote, let us be good to one another in memory of Jenny.

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[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Now after Jenny's memorial, the case did slow down, though detectives insisted that they remained vigilant in their quest for finding justice for Jenny. Then on October 28, 1977, so about six weeks after she was murdered, the case saw its first and only break. An arrest was made of a library guard for the university library guard. Now, get this. This guard's name was Floyd McCoy, who was only 23 years old at this time. And weirdly, he does share the same name as the infamous airline hijacker of the 1970s, who is believed to be the true identity behind the still unsolved mystery of airline hijacker DB Cooper. But it definitely is a different guy. You. Would you love DB Cooper? I love the DB Cooper story, but, yeah, not. Not the same Floyd McCoy that they thought was DB Cooper. Now, the type of flagrant violence against women that had been inflicted upon Jenny seemed to match Floyd McCoy's approach towards women due to something that he did shortly before Jenny's murder. Which I will get into here in a sec. But first, Floyd was confirmed to be working for the university at the time of Jenny's death and was even on duty in the basement library on the evening of Jenny's murder.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

And Jenny would have been in the basement library before going to that fourth floor with the locked room.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Exactly. Now, it's conceivable that Jenny entered the basement library to work and that he targeted her, offering to bring her upstairs, and then killed her before quickly returning back to his post. And get this. He was fired just over a week after her death on September 19. But the university did not announce why he was terminated. Though later it was revealed that he had left a shift unexpectedly, claiming that he hadn't been feeling well. Well, on October 28, 1977, Floyd was finally arrested, but not for Jenny's murder. He was arrested in connection with a different unsolved case from back in July. So that story goes. On July 24th of that same year, 1977, a woman who wanted to remain anonymous in the press described to police that she had been advertising herself as an escort in the Burke Berkeley Barb, which was an underground newspaper, and that she had made a date with a man who asked to meet her on the fourth floor of the SFSU library.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

The fourth floor of the San Francisco State University.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

And somebody's using this, obviously, to procure a date with an escort, which is insane to think about.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

They're trying to meet an escort in the very place that Jenny would be murdered two months later, when. What are the odds?

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, it seems like this is all kind of lining up. So she traveled to this school that we can't even be sure that she attended. And when she arrived, she didn't see anybody when she eventually left, she noticed a man on the first floor whom she later identified as Floyd McCoy. Now, after leaving, the suitor who had stood her up, called her back and tried to arrange a liaison for the following day, this time at a home they planned to meet in front of, 23 Collingwood street which is just down the road from Floyd's apartment, which is located on 27 Collingwood Street.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

It's fucking Floyd.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, right, exactly. But when she arrived, Floyd pulled a gun on her and attempted to force her inside the home. But thankfully, she did break free and reported it to police the following day on July 26, 1977. And then three months later, 23 year old Floyd McCoy was arrested. He agreed to be photographed by police for the investigation, and the woman plucked Floyd's picture from among eight images, confirming that he was her attacker. While being questioned prior to his arrest, he broke down in tears and proclaimed his innocence.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, right. Cannot officially, cannot trust this guy.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, he seems like a huge piece of shit. Well, he was held on $20,000 bail and spent just about a year in jail. So it's obviously no shock that multiple former peers of Jenny's have brought forward claims that they believe Floyd is responsible. Same, but without concrete evidence here, he was not arrested for the crime of killing Jenny.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Well, this guy's fuckery continues because after serving time again, just about a year for the attempted sexual assault of that woman In July of 1977, Floyd left California for Reno, Nevada and continued his reign of terror against women. In 1982, 28ish year old Floyd was employed as a fire inspector for the Reno Fire Department. And he apparently attempted to use his clearance as a fire inspector to force his way into the homes of unsuspecting women. And because of his uniform, the women trusted him and allowed him access to their home. But once he was inside, he would force the women into the bathroom and sexually assault them. In one incident, for example, it was a 55 year old woman. And after he left, the woman called police and reported what she had been through. And she was actually able to offer up not only a description, but his surname because it had been on clear display on his name badge.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

So this fucking idiot wasn't even trying to cover his name when he was committing these sexual assaults.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

I'm shaking my head, dumbass. I mean, thankfully, but whoa, bro. So in court proceedings, Floyd accused the woman of lying, alleging that they had been dating and that the woman was merely a spurned lover who was retaliating against him because he had broken things off. Yeah, it's always everybody else. It's never Floyd.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. And it's like, oh, so I. I had broken things off with this woman, so she wanted to attack me and I sexually assaulted her. Like, what?

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

No, he's saying, like, she's making it up entirely.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

No, no, I get that. But it's like he's making himself out to be the. The victim in the situation. He's making himself. The guy that is. Is scorned by the situation.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, he's saying, she's lying. I didn't assault her. She's just mad because I broke up with her. This is a 55 year old woman. You're 28. It's like, okay, maybe, but it's just he. He's never admitting to anything. He's. He's. Like you said he broke down into tears after he attacked that woman and said that she was lying. Like, he's not the guy that takes responsibility. And I wish so badly we knew more about his childhood because I. He did that his whole life.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. And I'd love to know even more about Floyd and his adventures through life because I'm sure that there was probably a lot more victims than what is known.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

I know we really don't know much about him. Like, I couldn't even find an obituary after he passed. Sorry. He did pass. Not to spoil. We'll get there later. But I couldn't find, like anything on this guy. There's one picture of him. It's like an old grainy newspaper clipping image. That's why I'm saying, I so wish we knew more. Cause also to the dismay of the victim and all of us, two separate trials ended in a hung jury and Floyd McCoy went free. The victim later filed a lawsuit against the city of Reno and the Reno Fire Department, saying that they had hired a man who was a safety threat and then failed to hold him accountable. Like, this is two positions of power that he has abused in just a handful of years.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

It kind of seems like this is this guy's shtick. Like, he. He finds jobs where he can be in power. That way he can just abuse it and take advantage of women.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Fully believe that. So this lawsuit read, quote, plaintiff is also informed the Reno Fire Department has prior knowledge of the defendant Floyd McCoy's propensities to be violent. And despite that knowledge and information, the defendant Reno Fire Department failed to promptly supervise said fire officer Floyd McCoy. The lawsuit also alleged that he had inflicted deep mental and emotional anguish on this woman and that she suffered from a feeling of perpetual Degradation and disgust, as well as recurring nightmares about Floyd.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Now, obviously, because we don't know exactly who took Jenny's life, it is important to kind of talk about some other possible suspects here, even though I will say a lot of these potential suspects are pretty far fetched, such as one of the many serial killers active in the area at the time and a decade where they were more rife than ever in the United States and a city that had a higher concentration than most. As we went into in our recent episode on Anne Marie Burr, serial killers are often the scapegoats for random acts of violence that remain unsolved. But in this case, 1970s San Francisco saw more than its fair share of active serial killers, including the Zebra Murders, the Zodiac Killer, the Doodler, and also the Trailside Killer. Jenny's murder doesn't quite quite fit the MO of most of these murderers. But the Zodiac is always mentioned in discourse about Jenny's case because he was active at the very same time and was a ruthless and very sadistic killer, as Jenny's murderer had been. However, the scene of the crime was not fitting of the Zodiac's typical style. There were no hints or calling cards to indicate that he had any involvement. And again, even if he was the murderer, he would have needed to obtain a key to access the fourth floor reading room.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, and it's funny, with David Toschke on the case, like, the guy would know.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, and maybe David Toschi was just thinking, hey, you know, we've got this guy already terrorizing the city that I'm, you know, and I'm on that specific case. Could it be the same dude, you know? Well, with no known ties to faculty at San Francisco State at the time. If you believe the Zodiac is Arthur Leigh Allen. Cause we do. It's unlikely that he would have been able to gain access to the room.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

It all comes back to that key card.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Well, two other California serial killers were also active at the time. And though they have no confirmed victims in San Francisco, they are believed to have more victims than investigators are aware of. Joseph d', Angelo, better known as the Golden State Killer, terrorized Central and Southern California between 1974 and 1986, claiming at least 13 victims, not to mention the dozens of rapes that he was responsible for.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, and then the other one is Rodney Alcala, the Dating Game Killer. But we won't even go into him because, again, it's just they're scapegoats that people are saying, oh, these other serial killers were active in the area or in the state at the time. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? No.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Well, and I understand why their minds are going towards serial killers, because obviously, again, this was a massive time for serial killers. Like, 1970s California was actually kind of fucking crazy.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

No. The age of the serial killer, literally. And the location.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. So I can understand why people are going there, but that doesn't mean that an isolated incident has to be, you know, a crime committed by a serial killer.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Exactly. And these are just some of the many rumors and thoughts that were swirling around Jenny's case, Understandably so, by terrified San Franciscans and Californians. But on top of what Heath is saying, some were wondering if Jenny had fallen prey to gang violence. Maybe she was caught in the crossfire of a handful of rival feuding Chinatown gangs.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

That just honestly sounds like. Like a silly movie.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I agree.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Like, come on. Jenny was like the sweetest, most responsible girl. Like, there's just no way that she would be involved in something like that.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

No. And that's what's so weird, too. But so many locals were saying, hey. Because just days before she was killed on September 4, 1997.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

1977.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Or. Sorry, yeah, 1977, sorry. A confrontation took place between two of these gangs inside a Chinese restaurant in the area in San Francisco. And so people are saying, oh, maybe it had to do with that. And it's like, just because she's Chinese doesn't mean she's caught up with Chinatown gangs. Like, that's. Yeah, guys.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

And there was. There was five victims during this altercation that happened between these gangs. But, like, I feel like the M.O. would be very, very different.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Well, yeah, they're going to come to the school and lure her into a. Yeah. Card access only room in the library and then brutally murder her.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

No, I just wonder what. What the kind of, like, leading factor of this rumor was like. Like, where did it come from Again?

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

I think it's like, the Chinese angle. I think it's just a bunch of people being like, oh, hey, she's Chinese. They're Chinese.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Oh, yeah.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Like, guys. But, you know, the. The detectives and the police were like, no, that's insane. And they did look into it, of course, as far as they could, but they did not believe at all that there was any connection here. They knew that this was a totally separate incident. Well, in the wake of the 40th anniversary of Jenny's death, one San Francisco area reporter, Ellen Chen, attempted to revive the search efforts for Jenny's killer. In 2017, a Cantonese news channel, KTSF News in San Francisco ran a story on the case reported on by Ellen Shen herself. Jenny's brother Eddie told Ellen in a phone interview, it's a sad part of our lives. I certainly would like to see closure to this, certainly before I die. So I would encourage it, and I would support it, and I would provide any cooperation to any of the authorities necessary. According to Ellen's investigative efforts, Floyd's father was employed by the police department of another city. And she believes it was possible that when Jenny's murder investigation was elevated from campus police to the San Francisco police department, his father may have used his connections to help cover for his son.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, maybe he was pulling some strings behind the scenes.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

That's a really interesting note, I feel. But regardless of whether corruption is to blame for the lack of unrest or if it's merely the lack of evidence, her family is still being left without answers. Yet they continue to believe that it likely was Floyd. Around the same time as Ellen mounted her own investigation, A graduate student at San Francisco State University named Sergio Romero began one of his own. And while browsing through old issues of the school newspaper, Sergio discovered that one issue in particular was missing from the school's archives, which I imagine were found in the library. And get this. The missing issue is the one that announced the assault of that woman at the hands of Floyd McCoy shortly before Jenny's murder and announced the fact that he was on duty in the very basement library that she was bound for on the night of Jenny's murder and that he was fired a week later.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

So we've got this missing issue where there's just, like. There's just no record of any of that happening.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, it's. I mean, it seems, in my opinion, like, Floyd might have gotten rid of that archive. He got rid of that newspaper piece because he's like, oh, I don't want this here, because this is me. And I think this kind of could say a lot that he working as. As a library guard, working security there. He knew. He worked there for months. At the very least. He knew when people were and weren't there. He knew when the faculty room would be empty. He knew where to find people. He knew where to be secretive. And so I think about the fact that he lured that woman from the Berkeley Barb to the fourth floor of the library, specifically, I think that he knew that that room was. Was very quiet in the nighttime hours, and whether somebody happened to be there the night that he had asked that woman to meet him there, and he chickened out and decided to Change locations or what? This says everything to me.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Was it a scenario of him coming upon Jenny and saying, like, hey, like, I'm a security guard. Guess what? I know that they have typewriters in this specific room. So if you want a quiet place to do your research and your writing, I can definitely help you out with that. And then he just manipulated her, took advantage of her and killed her.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Because clearly he's violent towards women. He probably has a distaste towards women. Maybe he knew of Jenny because she studied at the library quite a bit. Maybe he didn't. Either way, I truly believe that he lured her into that room with evil intentions and that he knew no one was going to walk in.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Well, sadly, both of Jenny's parents died without seeing resolution in her case. Her brother Eddie even obtained a private investigator, hoping to shed new light on the case. But this, sadly, led nowhere. With advances in DNA testing, we can still kinda hold out hope that a perpetrator could be found, Even now, nearly 50 years later, you know, and hopefully there is still some semblance of that DNA that was taken from her clothes that could be tested today. Because obviously we've got genealogical testing, and there was seminal fluid left behind, but we don't know if it was stored properly. We don't know if it was destroyed or if it's. If it's even, you know.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, because, well, in the 70s, they really didn't know what was to come in the future.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Right.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

But like you're saying, having that evidence could make it. I mean, it would make all the difference, I think. And for anybody who might be asking themselves, we don't know if Floyd's DNA was tested against the seminal fluid that was found at the scene ever. Considering he was never an official suspect, I doubt it. Also, we don't know if they had that evidence from him because, sorry, Heath, as you're about to say, he died in 2002.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Well, if they. If they do still have some of that DNA that was left behind, I do think that they should go towards genealogical testing, because Even if Floyd McCoy is dead, they can somehow trace it to a family member and then connect it Back to Floyd McCoy.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Right. And have they done that? We just don't know.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

I don't know. But I hope that they do.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

I know. Me too.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Well, Following Ellen's report, the San Francisco Police Department vowed that they would take a second look at the evidence in the case. But there have been no developments since. In August of 2017, Ellen emailed David Toschi ahead of her upcoming report marking the 40th anniversary of Jenny's murder. And she did receive a response, but it was not from Dave Toske. It was actually from his daughter Linda instead. And it read, I'm writing to you today on behalf of my father, David Toschi. He has received your letter. Unfortunately, my father no longer gives interviews or speaks with the press. However, he does remember the Jenny Chain case very well. From the library at San Francisco State University. He wanted me to let you know that there was a person of interest at the time, but there was insufficient evidence to proceed with that particular suspect. We wish you all the best with your investigation. Thank you for reaching out and your understanding of my father's wishes and to remain out of the media. And I completely understand this because Dave Toski spent so many years working on the Zodiac case that still remains unsolved to this day. So at this point, he's retired. He just kinda wants to be left out of the limelight. So. I do get that. But just so you guys know, also, David did pass away just five months later. And it seems even David thought it was Floyd, especially due to his criminal history against women and the fact that he was on duty the night of the murder. Well, frustratingly, as Daphne mentioned, Floyd did pass away in 2002 without ever coming clean about his potential involvement in Jenny's murder or any other crimes against women.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Jenny's tree that was planted near her dorm has since fallen down, and the library was renamed, though a plaque memorializing her is still present on campus. In October of 1977, the women in Science organization at San Francisco State University established a scholarship in her name. And according to the organization at the time of its founding, the scholarship was meant for a student who will use their education and degree to, quote, advance the position of women. The Jenny Lo Chang Memorial Scholarship remains at SFSU today. If you have any information about the murder of Jenny Lo Chang, please call the anonymous tip line at 415-553-11-166. Thank you so much much, everybody, for listening to this episode of Going West.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Yes, thank you guys so much for listening to this episode. Please make sure that you share it. Also, if you want to see photos from this case, head on over to our socials. Give us a follow. We're at Instagram, @goingwest podcast. We're also on TikTok now, which is awesome. Daphne's making some really amazing videos over there.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Oh, thanks.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

And then we're also on Facebook.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

Thank you guys so much for tuning into this one. What a mysterious case. But again, he I think you and I very much agree here.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

It's fucking Floyd McCoy fudgeing Floyd.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

And we would love to hear if you guys agree. So please comment on our socials. Don't forget to share this one, especially if you live in San Francisco. It's not too late. Resolution can still come for Jenny's brothers and her sister, who very much want resolution here and deserve resolution here for Jenny's brutal murder. All right, guys, we will see you on Tuesday.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

All right guys. So for Sorry you stole my light again.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

I just know your line so well.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

You do. You do. All right guys. So for everybody out there in the.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

World, don't be a stranger.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

I should start saying don't be a stranger.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

I welcome it.

[Teeth (Podcast Host)]

Please, Sam.

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[Tide Advertiser]

Your number only at Metro 5 year guarantee on eligible plans exclusion supplies.

[State Farm Advertiser]

See website for details.

[Daphne (Podcast Host)]

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[Tide Advertiser]

Fab Metro with T Mobile in the past six months, tax, supplies.

[State Farm Advertiser]

Insurance may all seem the same on the surface. But having insurance isn't the same as having State Farm. It's like getting a granola bar with a candle in it. When you wanted a three layer birthday cake, you wouldn't settle for just any dessert on your birthday so don't settle for just any insurance. When it comes to getting the help you need, State Farm is the real deal. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.