Good For You Podcast with Whitney Cummings | EP 310

Summary

Good For You Podcast with Whitney Cummings | EP 310

Date: October 12, 2025
Host: Whitney Cummings
Guest/Co-host: Pat

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Brief Overview

In this lively solo-driven episode, Whitney Cummings dives into the evolving world of social media influencers—defending their role, challenging boomer criticisms, and exploring why so many young people are drawn to this new career path. The discussion is hilarious, sharp, and rife with classic Whitney tangents covering generational divides, personal anecdotes, gender biases, and even media moguls and Middle Eastern comedy controversies. Pat joins in as sparring partner and sounding board, adding color and side banter throughout.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Why Do Adults Care What Teenagers Want to Be?

• Main Rant: Whitney questions why adults get so bothered by the aspiring influencer generation. She calls out the absurdity of shaming teenagers for not wanting traditional jobs.
  • “70% of young people would like to be influencers when they grow up. Firstly, that's not enough. It's a low number, and we need to get it up now... What could a teenager you've never met, what do you want them to do?” (01:24)
• Critique of Traditional Job Paths: Whitney lampoons the idea that jobs like doctor or teacher are better or more noble, explaining the drawbacks and debt associated with them.
  • “Doctor. You want them to pay $400,000 that nobody has to have a job that'll be replaced by pixels in like 20 minutes?” (02:38)
  • Teachers as “going to war for no money... get pink eye. Godspeed.” (03:24)
• Bigger Point: Rather than shaming, Whitney pushes for acceptance: let young people monetize whatever they can online because that’s where the future is.

2. Skill Demonstration and “Patriotic” Content Creation

• If kids have real skills, why not broadcast them? Whitney encourages all skilled youth—artisans, craftspeople, even those who do makeup tutorials—to share content and prove that younger generations aren’t “useless.”
  • “If you are a young one who puts makeup on in your bathroom. Also way harder than it looks... It’s actually a skill.” (06:12)
• Defending “Silly” TikTok Trends: The viral trend videos often mocked by adults actually require work, and Whitney recommends trying them before judging.
  • “Before you make fun of your teenage daughter who is doing that, you try to do it and then check yourself before you wreck yourself...” (06:12)

3. Generational Hypocrisy and Boomer Frustration

• Whitney calls out Boomers’ complaints about “useless” youth, pointing out their own economic advantages and the shifting landscape.
  • “The boomers just going on and on about these young people are useless. Saying it from their new condo in Miami they can only afford because they sold the house they lived in for 30 years.” (07:07)
• Influencers as Digital Warriors: There's a patriotic framing—America’s digital presence on TikTok as a kind of “storefront.”

4. Tangent: Larry Ellison and Media Power

• Media Ownership and “Nepo Babies”: There's a long, humorous detour into Larry Ellison’s biography, his daughter’s role with A24, and the power of wealthy families to control narratives.
  • “His daughter makes A24. Every now and then, the spawn wants so badly to not be lumped in with their own ancestry that they make something so amazing...” (08:50)
• Aunt-raised Kids & Superhero Origin Stories: Whitney draws parallels to her own upbringing and the creativity it breeds.
  • “I am a child raised by my aunt. . . . If you don't think an entire private school in Virginia wasn't convinced that my dad was invisible because he, like, had a invisible . . . like ghost dad.” (09:09)

5. The Realities and Talents of Influencers

• “Influencer” is framed as a blue-collar, gig-economy job not new in history—town gossip, street preachers, market barkers, QVC hosts, and even costumed characters on Hollywood Blvd.
  • “The word influencer...That job has always existed, okay? Influencer. It was used to be called the town gossip. Used to be called hobo. The person standing on a box yelling Bible verses at you.” (25:37)
• Most influencer content isn’t just “girls bouncing around”—it’s businesses, skills, trades, and a modern version of working from home.
  • “It's not all women that are influencing, by the way... It's a lot of business. It's a lot of business. Women making money in ways that don't involve a creepy male boss. It's basically Shark Tank.” (27:42)

6. Gendered Critiques and Internalized Misogyny

• The cultural backlash against influencers is, at its core, a gendered one.
  • “If you hate influencers, it means you hate women. It is like internalized women, social media. This is our thing.” (33:30)
  • Comparisons between “male” and “female” influencer equivalents (e.g., indie bands, DJs), and the latent disgust in society about women having influence.
  • “You're disgusted by the idea of women having influence over people, which I. I get that. If you're a parent, if you have a daughter and you're like, I don't want them to be influenced by... have them be influenced by other girls in their twenties. That is better.” (34:30)
• Men profit from influencer economies, whether via product creation or as podcast hosts—only women's influence gets broad criticism.
  • “The number of male podcasters making millions of dol off stuff women have just inherently known for 2000 years...” (37:23)

7. Influencer Aspirations as Sane Survival

• Whitney argues that the desire for “easy money” is rational: Hard work has been devalued or automated; being an influencer is practical and adaptable.
  • “It’s okay to want to be an influencer. I would like to take the shame off it. It’s called riding the horse in the direction it’s going.” (24:53)
• The “unnecessary” nature of most influencer content is not a bug—it’s a feature. Whitney proposes, tongue-in-cheek, that thriving in unnecessary pursuits is all humanity has left.
  • “The only business left is doing something that doesn't need to be done. Guilty pleasure. Making a guilty pleasure. ... Being unnecessary is the only thing left.” (39:08)

8. Tangent: Tech, AI, and the Future of Work

• AI “hot girl” deepfakes and digital puppets on TikTok: Whitney and Pat joke about AI’s pervasiveness and the inevitable blending (and replacement) of influencer identities.
  • Pat: “There’s a lot of incels masquerading as hot chicks on TikTok these days.” (30:30)
    Whitney: “On your TikTok, Pat. On your TikTok...” (30:36)
• Human creators’ unique appeal vs. robots/AI: Viewers will always want messy human process and personality.

9. International Comedy and “Sellout” Discourse

• Whitney addresses criticisms of her performing in the Middle East, specifically Saudi Arabia—the difference between people and governments, and the hypocrisy of allegations by comics and fans.
  • “...when I went to Dubai... I explained how I went to the Middle east and learned how toxically ignorant I was about the Middle east and how the biggest takeaway was how to separate the people that live in a country from the government.” (45:24)
• Calls for critics to “Google Live Nation” and realize everyone in entertainment touches “dirty money.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Influencer Critique:
  “Every question you ask me is rhetorical.” — Whitney (00:55)

• On Job Advice to Youth:
  “Go to war for no money. ... put on this bulletproof vest, go learn how to defend yourself and you'll make $10,000 a year to at the very least get pink eye. Godspeed.” — Whitney (03:26)

• On Gendered Criticism:
  “If you hate influencers, it means you hate women.” — Whitney (33:30)

• On Male Podcasters:
  “The number of male podcasters making millions of dol off stuff women have just inherently known for 2,000 years...” — Whitney (37:23)

• On Social Media Therapy:
  “I've learned more about narcissists from TikTok... I want you to show me someone who has the same thing as me, and then they can talk about it, overshare about it on social media...” — Whitney (17:38)

• On Algorithmic Joy:
  “I cleaned up my algorithm a little bit and I just don't think they're all bad people. What's wrong with people wanting easy money? ... My algorithm is just never been better, I think instead of saying someone, how are you? It's like, how's your algorithm?” — Whitney (39:08, 40:40)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:55 – Comedy about rhetorical questions and beginning the influencer rant
• 01:24 – Main influencer discussion launches: “70% of young people want to be influencers...”
• 02:38 – Satirical debunking of “proper” careers for youth
• 06:12 – Defending TikTok trends and social media skills
• 07:07 – Boomer hypocrisy and the economic landscape
• 08:50 – Larry Ellison, “Nepo Baby,” and Whitney’s own “aunt origin story”
• 25:37 – The “influencer” role through history and society
• 27:42 – Influencer work as legitimate business and “Shark Tank,” gender bias
• 33:30 – Internalized misogyny in influencer criticism
• 34:30 – The reality of women’s empowerment via influencing
• 37:23 – Male podcasters profiting from “influencer” economy
• 39:08 – Easy money, the “unnecessary” job market, algorithmic well-being
• 40:40 – “How’s your algorithm?” as a social barometer
• 45:24 – Performing in the Middle East, government vs. people discourse

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Tone and Style

The episode is classic Whitney: rapid-fire, highly satirical, shamelessly honest, and deeply personal, mixing sociological insight with laugh-out-loud jokes and sudden segues into the bizarre (e.g., AI TikTok personalities, haunted Airbnbs, and the politics of neck cream). Pat’s dry banter and one-liners buoy the conversation, giving the rant a conversational rhythm.

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Summary

Whitney Cummings pulls no punches in a sprawling, funny, and insightful defense of social media influencers. She argues that criticism of young people’s career choices is rooted in outdated thinking and latent sexism, that being an influencer is a logical (and occasionally patriotic) path in today’s world, and the work itself is often harder, more creative, and more legitimate than skeptics realize. The podcast is peppered with anecdotes about her own life, perspectives on media power and nepotism, and biting commentary on gendered double standards in entertainment. Whitney offers a rallying cry for acceptance, adaptability, and the celebration of evolving forms of achievement—delivered, as always, with a wit as sharp as ever.

Transcript

[Whitney Cummings]

All right, welcome to the program, y'. All. For realsies. Let's go. I do feel like half of our show is just getting ready for the show. Last week we had Grace o' Malley on the podcast. That was a delight. That was a nice. You know.

[Pat]

And you were in New York.

[Whitney Cummings]

I had to. I was in New York.

[Pat]

It was not your new set?

[Whitney Cummings]

No, my. No. No, I'm not in Charlie Sheen's therapist office in Tarzana. No, I'm not wearing. We are into very regal chairs. I asked to not have those, but they were there.

[Pat]

Yeah, I saw the text. You said, nope, just regular chairs, please. And then when I saw the footage, I was like, they didn't listen.

[Whitney Cummings]

No one. I mean, you see. You see, I only communicate clearly to people who don't listen. You listen. Which is why I can't make me shut down. I'm like, you should know me by now, Pat. When you ask me a question, the anger that comes up, that's like, you know the answer to this. Like, you know me better than I do at this point.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

How dare you every. To me. Every question you ask me is rhetorical. Okay, let's get to the show. I am so excited for the next hour of being so deeply correct. I just want you to know that every. We've done how many episodes? 305? 10 that I have. There's always a little glimmer of like, is that a crazy take? You're gonna change your mind about that later. It's fine. You're an entertainer. Just, like, say it. As long as it's the stream. I. I just want you to know that this is a TED Talk. Frankly, this episode should just be in the museum of knowledge, Permanent knowledge. That's how correct I am. So 70% of young people would like to be influencers when they grow up. Firstly, that's not enough. It's a low number, and we need to get it up now. To all of you who are coming at me, like, 70% of young people want to be influencers. It is takes every ounce of self control in my body to be like, what do you want them to be? What? What could a teenager you've never met, what do you want them to do? What do you want them to do? Where do you want their bodies to be? All you people who are so annoyed at teenagers and what they want to do for a living, why do you care? Why are you talking about what teenagers want to do for a living? Why you're bummed that they're not going to go into your line of work. Why you want them to come work at your office? Hmm? Work in the mailroom? You're bummed they're not gonna be at the reception desk in your office after they graduate? Bummed you can't get that 21 year old to scoop the ice cream in your ice cream shop. Why do you care? Cause it is when you think influence, you think girls, right? And these men being like, you mean they're gonna make funny money from home and not come answer phones? And. And my auto body shop where we turn the AC off on purpose so that everyone has to take off their top layer. What do you want teenagers to do? What is a job that would be good? I'm not even kidding. What is a job that would make you happy for all of these 70% of young people? Name one. Let's go, doctor. You want them to pay $400,000 that nobody has to have a job that'll be replaced by pixels in like 20 minutes?

[Pat]

Cool.

[Whitney Cummings]

Hey, stop trying to influence. How about you be in debt forever to tell people they have a disease that you gave them with the medicine you prescribed? What do you want them to. You want them to be a lawyer? You want a kid to be like a professional psychopath? Name a job. Name a job that has integrity. Teacher. Be a teacher. Okay, what? That's like saying like, hey, go to war for no money. Here, put on this bulletproof vest, go learn how to defend yourself and you'll make $10,000 a year to at the very least get pink eye. Godspeed. Like, is that your suggestion? What do you want them to do? What? What else in a. Is a 21 year old in a capitalist society supposed to do besides talk about the things they like and talk about how many mental illnesses they have? You want them to sit in a building shaped like a prison made by the same people who designs prison? Google it, please. And then they are going to what? Memorize a bunch of stuff that may or may not be true and then become a teacher who passes on the same weird gossip? Listen to me. These youngins need to do whatever they have to do to keep their head above water. Not that we will have any water in 20 years, but whatever you have to do to keep your head above the sand in bodies is what. We're actually gonna be out of sand as well. China is using all the sand to make glass. So anyway, so do whatever you have to do to keep your head above the bodies. And fire. Those will not run out. That will be aplenty. Kids are Taught things in school these days. Mostly that they have add. That's the only thing they learn. Every teacher tells them that they have ADD because. Because they're refusing to be held captive. Learning any language but Mandarin at this point. Or. Oh, no, you know what? Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. You're right. Sorry. You're right. They learn about going to the moon. It's worth it. They learned that Christopher Columbus discovered America. You're right, you're right, you're right. Like, what are we doing? Oh, also, side note, where are we at with McGraw Hill, the textbook makers who made our textbooks, remember being owned by Ghislaine Maxwell's dad? Let me know if I'm wrong. Hope I am. Also, if kids do have a skill, say they go back to trade school, they can weld, they can plumb, they can chop trees and make bird houses out of birdhouses. Great. They can woodwork, they can be useful. Don't we want them projecting it to the world? Film it. Film it. It's actually your patriotic responsibility to film and broadcast it around the world. I know that I would actually. It would pretty much solve most of my problems if I were to see kids with skills doing things. Doing things. Besides telling celebrities on Twitter that they're busted or having ritual sacrifices of their mom's beanie babies by their new tea moolah. Boo Boos. If you're in your 20s and you have a real business or skill, stream is truly your responsibility at this point. Okay. You do a vegan taxidermy business. Hustle. Great. You make emotional support puppets. I don't care. You shoot videos where you jump in one outfit and then you land and you're in a different outfit.

[Pat]

Those are fun.

[Whitney Cummings]

That's hard to do.

[Pat]

Yeah, you gotta put a mark on the floor.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's actually very hard to do. Honestly, before you make fun of your teenage daughter who is doing that, you try to do it and then check yourself before you wreck yourself and your Achilles trying to do that. All right. If you are a young one who puts makeup on in your bathroom. Also way harder than it looks. I'm like, I was always like, this is so dumb. And then I tried to do it. Cuz I'm like, look at me, I'm young. I'm going to do like my makeup routine. Try to put makeup on for a phone camera without looking like a sad Hooters girl with a lazy eye. I dare you. Okay. I am never able to look into the camera. Every time I do it, it just looks like a ad for Bell's palsy suppository. It's. It's actually a skill. So look, if you're a youngin with a skill, I think you should be truly legally required to film it, post it, so the boomers stop saying that you're useless. That's it. Because I can't. I can't just. The boomers just going on and on about these young people are useless. Saying it from their new condo in Miami. They can only afford because they sold the house they lived in for 30 years. They made. They're like, well, we've you boomers made money not being able to afford to move. Then they tell people in their 20s you have no skills. Okay, sorry. We didn't all work at Philip Morris for 40 years. So we need influencers. We need them to show China that we're not a game. Okay? We need to stop making it this corny thing so that serious people will do it. Okay? We're in a digital war. It's all about projection. Cold war, Russia, cardboard tanks. Smart. Okay? This is our cardboard tanks, okay? Russia. We beat them in hockey. Great. Now we need to show them we have some people in their 20s who can actually read. We need to show em that, you know, some of our young people don't have dilated pupils. Even if you need a filter to undilate them, do it. Okay? TikTok is basically our storefront of our country. All right? You know, it was just bought by Oracle. Larry Ellison people are talking about. Larry Ellison did just buy TikTok. And you know, people are like this real. But this guy's fascinating to me. As you know, he was a very early investor in Theranos. So this is the guy to get behind in. In 2012. He donated. I'm fascinated by this guy. He donated to both Republican and Democratic politicians. What a power to have so much money. You're just gonna cancel it out? He donated to a super PAC supporting Marco Rubio in 2016. This guy's a riddle wrapped in a rhyme, isn't he? Yeah, like I don't. He also in 2021, offered Netanyahu a post working at his company, Oracle, so. Well, look, we had a good run.

[Pat]

Here's the mail room.

[Whitney Cummings]

To be fair, did you know that Larry Ellison's daughter started a 24? Megan Ellison. So his daughter makes a 24. We're back. Every now and then, the spawn wants so badly to not be lumped in with their own ancestry that they go the. They make something so amazing, they have to so that their Google search Results aren't like nepo baby off 23 on me money. Like they have to go to push the results down. So, you know, side note, when I was in my Larry Ellison wormhole today, I found out he contracted pneumonia at the age of nine months old. And his mother gave him to his aunt and uncle for adoption. First of all, that's not adoption. That's called a family secret. There's no papers, there's no company. That was not adoption. Okay? I don't know what PR person was like, no, he was put up for adoption. That's not what that is. That's basically a fourth term abortion. I now know why I'm fascinated by this guy. Because I've always kind of been fascinated by. I don't know why. And who cares, right? This is also what happened to yours truly. Do not underestimate kids who were given away to their aunts because their parents had truly nine months to prepare for the child, but they were still blindsided that they were gonna have to provide, like, food and water. I am a child raised by my aunt. And let me just be very clear. It's really all you need to know about me. We're feral being raised by an aunt who didn't have kids. We had to make up such insane lies to the kids at school for why we didn't live with our parents that there is truly no corner of our imagination we cannot access. There is no lie that we can't sell. If you don't think an entire private school in Virginia wasn't convinced that my dad was invisible because he, like, had a invisible, like, like ghost dad.

[Pat]

Like how?

[Whitney Cummings]

Like ghost dad? Also, in China, they did make the invisibility blanket thing. Is that real?

[Pat]

I hope so.

[Whitney Cummings]

Okay, can you look up China invisibility blanket?

[Pat]

It's probably just somebody draping a green screen over there.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah, yeah. My ex is getting married soon. I wanna attend. So get me one of those adopted kids. Not that being, you know, dropped off at your aunt's house is being adoption. But, you know, in general, adopted kids, they have a lot to prove. Okay, before you go up against someone, first make sure they're not adopted. You know who's adopted? Steve Jobs is adopted. Simone Biles and Apted Lance Armstrong. This guy was carrying bags of blood in his jock strap up a mountain.

[Pat]

And then he would ride his bike in races too.

[Whitney Cummings]

This guy. And then had a testicle removed and then went, you know what? I haven't won the biggest contest in the world in a couple years. I just gotta Knock that out. This weekend. One ball. It's gonna be even more comfortable to bike. Bike seat fits even better.

[Pat]

I had too much testosterone.

[Whitney Cummings]

Exactly. Who else is adopted? Jeff Bezos. Adopted. Colin Kaepernick. Ray Liotta. Need I say more? J.C. chazzet. Andy Dick. Adopted. Andy Dick will go down in history books as the man. You think that Rose McGowan, who started the MeToo movement, is gonna be in books?

[Pat]

He caused it.

[Whitney Cummings]

He ended it. He ended it. He ended it because. Well, it was once. The movement was getting a little ratty. It was a little ratchet, right? And a bunch of women came out against Andy Dick and was like, yeah, on a movie set. He, like, grabbed my face and, like, licked my face. And they called him out, and he was like, yeah, I'm crazy. I do. I did that. I was on drugs. Yes. That was me for sure. And everyone's like, what? And then it was just. That was it. It's the end of Labyrinth when she says, you have no power over me. And it's like, oh, everything dissolves. Like, that was it. Thank you, quints, for sponsoring this episode. Cooler days call for layers that last. And Quint is my go to for elevated basics that don't. Don't blow your budget. They're $50. Mangolian. Mongolian cashmere is unreal. Like, you can't stop touching it. Soft. It's not even your coworker's fault. He won't stop hugging you. HR Is going to be like, but look at this cashmere sweater, Jim. 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I will get every last horse figurine on ebay if it kills me. Because you know what won't drive me down a gravel road saying see you soon and never come back? A horse figurine. Now back to influencers. Just little right term. Not all influencers are just like idiots putting on eyelashes, like singing K pop, like with their like, butt out. It's not there's. A lot of very legitimate therapists. I will tell you on TikTok, and very illegitimate therapists in Los Angeles in offices, Personal trainers. What? Why were we ever paying personal trainers 200? Why was I paying some weirdo who's, like, trying to spot me while I'm doing Kegels? Like, why is that? I don't think that's the one on his. Now they film you also. When you get a trainer, they're like, we're gonna. They're filming you. You're on, like, his ig live. Like, trainers want to film your workouts now. I'm like, I didn't sign up to be in your weird reality show where you shoot me from the same angle as my birth video. Why am I paying you? Like, I find. I'm gonna say it. I find TikTok helpful. I said it. I've learned a lot. I follow a girl who tells you why certain things are in fashion and, like, why. How corsets were invented. It was. Yes, of course, corsets. The main point was to make sure women were in as much pain as possible and make them look as thin as possible. And probably to make sure they didn't become moms, if you know. If you know what I mean. But also, it was to save them from random stabbings, because men would just walk around with swords back then. There have been times in history that are worse than this one, and TikTok reminds me of that. What bigger service can an app deliver you at this point? All right, you know makeup. I was watching this thing on TikTok. Makeup was used to hide skin sores and scars. That's why it was invented, like leprosy and lead poisoning. Yet makeup was also made of lead. You see, every generation had to deal with a level of cognitive dissonance that are making the aliens rethink coming to study us at all. That's truly. They're, like, hovering, and they're like, ah. What? They drink fluoride. Like, huh. The thing that goes on their teeth. The point is, they wore makeup to conceal their litany of illnesses, whereas now we just use it to conceal and exacerbate our mental illnesses. I'm learning a lot. I have learned more about narcissists from TikTok because here's why it's so genius. It's the best way to learn, because you'll see the therapist talk about a mental condition, and then you'll scroll and you'll see it. The idea that we're going to therapy in person. What are we doing? I just. I want you to show me someone who has the same thing as me, and then they can talk about it, overshare about it on social media, then solve their own problems so that they're the ones whose insurance company jacks up their prices. And I don't have to go through my insurance company and have my data sent to the Chinese government to use in a future trial custody case. Like, you do it. You do it. I'll get the benefits. This is. What's wrong with that? Okay? We should be so happy about the fact that other people are oversharing on social media for our benefit so that we don't have to do it ourselves. If you are mad at influencers, you're doing social media wrong. I just realized, have you not seen the three black dudes roller skating? It solved most of my problems. There are so many things on TikTok, truly, that are more helpful than any therapist that I. In terms of, like, crippling depression. Do you know about condors? I follow a condor and a vulture, and it is a real will they, won't they? I will tell you what. There is a guy. The guy. There's a guy who hangs out with hyenas. He's in the herd, okay? This man is, first of all, when you see a man gallivanting, horsing around with hyenas, yet we humans, we can't figure out how to be on a plane together for two hours. Like, it really puts things in perspective. This guy will absolutely be ripped to shreds as soon as the hyena feces he rubbed all over himself wears off. And, you know, his CK1 spills. It doesn't. The point is they lick them in the face. Y' all are on TikTok. I'm over here on Lick Tock. Okay? I'm a mom now. The puns are never gonna stop. I watch football games on TikTok in tiny snippets as it's designed to be consumed. That way, I can replay and replay and replay because the football just could go. It's just like, guys, you're already onto the next play. I'm like, I need a second. Well, I also can't watch a game in real time because I can't find one to save my life. Fubo. You know what? Your name's not gonna throw me off. You're sick. Discomp. How much money? I have a question. How much money do you need to just make it work? I'll pay it. You tell. Try me. Try me, try me. Football is truly, like, the only thing I kind of have left to watch. So I go to Fubo, and it's like, fubo. Plus. I'm like, was I on Minus this whole time? What is this? What? You know what? Yes, whatever turns on the game. The one that the. You know what I'm doing. You know what? You know, it's noon on Saturday. You know, I'm trying to find this. You know, can you. Okay, so you're telling me that when I'm on Instagram and I am with a friend and go, oh, I think it looks like it might rain. And then within 30 seconds later, within 30 seconds, Instagram markets me umbrellas. But Fubo, you truly are expecting me to believe that you don't know that I'm standing at my screen having a full panic attack, trying to get the game on. Surely you can hear my child's cries in the background as I ignore him to try and remember if my password had an exclamation mark in it or not. You know, just say, you know what? If you guys aren't ready, just say it. If you're in over your head, Fubu, just be like, you know what? Ah, we're scrambling. The computers are down. You know how it is. Just. Just. We don't know. Your guess is as good as ours. We. We don't know. Just don't pretend like you have it together. Just be like, guys, turns out we're a scam. We just work here. We took some money. We thought we were a real business. It turns out we're not. We've all been there. Go to ESPN. Just say that. Just go to ESPN. But then you go to ESPN, it's like ESPN Sports 2. What? Huh? HBO Go. Got it. HBO Max. Huh? HBO Go. HBO no Go. Where do I go, you guys, You've burned me too many times, okay? This is why people are influencing and they just want. They want to hear a stranger on TikTok tell them how the game went. They're like, I got Fubo. We're all like, tell us everything you got in. You got past the wall. And I'm like, you just give me the highlights of the game. You are a celebrity to me if you are a bigger celebrity to me than Truly anyone if you figured out how to watch the game. Okay, I just started going to game in person. It was, frankly, cheaper and faster. Watching the Eagles is truly one of the only joys I have left. And I'm not even talking about the football team. That's. That's a toxic Relationship that is also, weirdly, life affirming because you never. I was like, daddy, Daddy, I'm talking about eagles. Do you know about the live eagle camera? They're just protecting their nest. They're gone most of the time, but I am on the edge of my seat influencers. I'm just. I don't know. I cleaned up my algorithm a little bit and I just don't think they're all bad people. What's wrong with people want easy money? You don't get. Why would you blame people for wanting easy money? The idea of hard work is over. That broke once we started getting our gym equipment delivered. That broke. We won't walk to get stuff to exercise with. We have someone else bring us our exercise equipment because we are not going to exercise to get our exercise. We get books about hard work and grit delivered to our homes. Just. You know what? Don't just look at the Amazon driver that's delivering you the book. That's. That's hard work. That's great. It's truly right there. No need for the book. Just watch the guy pissing in a Fanta bottle to make sure that you get your book on how to work hard.

[Pat]

All of the parking spaces at the gym should be on the far side of the parking lot.

[Whitney Cummings]

So true. No. How about this? Run to the gym. You don't even need a membership. Run to the gym. Run home. Handled. The only time we do hard things now is when we are tricked by something that promises to be easy. Like how postmates now takes longer because you have to track the person and you have to give them like 12 codes. And then you, you know, you get some like, half eaten poke bowl and then you have to, like, go to urgent care and like, get that The. The parasite out. People love doordash and postmates. I'm convinced because it's like a video game. When you're on a break from playing your video game. Now you get to play a video game. Like, is the driver gonna find my item? Am I, Am I gonna see? Am I gonna see in time if the store's out of the Logan Paul energy drink? Or can I choose a replacement in time? Or else he might just make the call himself and bring me the Charlie d' Amelio Kim Kardashian energy drink collab. Because he's correct on who I am. And that will hold up a mirror. I'm not ready for that. And that'll be like, what? I wanted a refund. I can't afford to pay $3 for an energy drink I don't want. I just spent $18 having someone else's father bring it to me. It's okay. It's okay to want to be an influencer. I would like to take the shame off it. It's called riding the horse in the direction it's going. If you can make stuff, chairs, tables, art, you will be replaced by robots. But you know it will not be replaced. Needing to watch a human make the products a robot can make slower and weird. That is not replaceable by robots.

[Pat]

Once the robots know how to do everything, they're going to stop explaining how they're doing it.

[Whitney Cummings]

Robots will like be building a thing and I'll go, that was too fast. I would like it to be built slow and explained to me. When a robot makes, you know, a giant table in two seconds, I'm going, I would like to see the human make it so that when the robot throws it at me at 250 miles an hour, I'll know how much time I have before my skull gets crushed into the wall. Also, the word influencer, it's like the word. It's like the word is so patronizing. That job has always existed, okay? Influencer. It was used to be called the town gossip. Used to be called hobo. The person standing on a box yelling Bible verses at you. The plum guy at the farmer's market, right? Everyone goes and sees the nut butter guy who tells you which nut butter is best for your family. By the way, influencers been influenced. We used to call them the town drunk or the town kook who would approach you in the park in like three jackets and be like, watch out for that porcupine. And you're like, okay, all right, Angie. And you think she's nuts. And then 10 years later you realize she was talking about your mom. And that was a metaphor for family enmeshment. You're like, gah. Why didn't I listen to Angie? The people who stand outside bars, three dollar drinks come inside. That's an influencer. Why do you hate those people? It's a blue collar job ultimately, right? So on Hollywood Boulevard, the people who dress up as superheroes, those were the OG Influencers before Anime Con and Snapchat Filters were homeless people in crusty Shrek costumes taking photos with AS who thought he was an American green arrow. He just assumed that all of our superheroes are also fat. Before the term influencer, there was some rickety stripper dressed up as Wonder Woman on Hollywood Boulevard because everyone wondered if she really were a Woman. It's hard to tell with the LA smog. We've always been influencers. If you are seen by anyone at your job, that's what you're doing. If 10 people see you at the kiosk at the mall and you're famous in that town, you're the ear piercer guy. Tanglewood Mall. Everyone knows about you because they'll tell their daughters to stay away from the ear piercing kiosk. Okay? Because the guy. Not the piercings. Get as many as you want. Just not from Leo.

[Pat]

Not the guy who got fired from Spencer Gifts.

[Whitney Cummings]

Spencer's Gifts. It's not all women that are influencing, by the way. People just think it's all like, TikTok. Girls being like, look at me dancing. TikTok is a lot of people with amazing skill who can finally make more money. It's QVC, right? 30 years ago, if you had a skill or a product, would you be like, don't put yourself tanner on qvc. No, just keep. What, selling it out of the back of your car? If you had the opportunity to do that. Yeah, that self tanner might have been the one Rachel Dolezal used, but still. Sale. A sale's a sale. It's Etsy Live. It's not just girls bouncing around. And if that's your algorithm, you're a creepy. It's a lot of business. It's a lot of business. Women making money in ways that don't involve a creepy male boss. It's basically Shark Tank. It's Shark Tank without having, like, to watch the host be disrespectful because they don't know what anyone needs, so. Yeah, but who would use that? I mean, what, you need help changing your kids diapers? So you're gonna invent this? Yeah. Not everyone has seven nannies, homeboy. Yes, Some people see their kids, they don't know. They're like charcoal toothpaste. Who would need that? You know who needs that? Justin Trudeau needs it to put it on his face. Halloween is coming up. It's fine. It's fine. It's basically working from home. Honestly. Actually, influencers may be the only people who still actually go to work. They go on their runs to film their run. They go to the club, always at work, always out. But at least they're not. I mean, they're the only people that are going out and keeping this economy afloat. They're renting boats. If you want to cancel influencers, do you know how many. How many semen will be out of a job if you're coming for influencers. You're coming for semen. Do you want kids to go back to working at the mall? Is that what you want? I just want to work at the mall when I grow up. You want them to be president, like a psychopath. I want to be the president. That person's. I want to be an astronaut. To where to wear. You want to be an astronaut? You mean he'll have his phone bugged for the rest of his life? What? What do you want? Your cat? We worked at the mall. Is that what you want? You want your daughter in booty shorts selling Skechers to sketchy men at Journeys? What do you want if I have a teenage daughter at this point, I'm like, you're. I know you're gonna twerk. I'd rather be in your room than at the club. How does Ramon still work there? I mean, that guy was creepy when I was 16. What, you made bracelets? You wanna sell them? Great. I'd rather it be on social media than at a stall in the outdoor flea market in San Diego, where you'll be between Burning man guy and Coachella guy, both of whom sell beaded condoms and dreamcatchers made out of their ex girlfriend's hair. You know what? Fire up the app. Also influencers. I think it's also this. When you hear influencers, you think female. It's basically saying, look, when I grow up, I want to be a woman. And people are like, gross.

[Pat]

There's a lot of incels masquerading as hot chicks on TikTok these days.

[Whitney Cummings]

On your TikTok bat. On your TikTok, it's.

[Pat]

It's a flooding the market business model. AI technology is crazy. It's very low lift.

[Whitney Cummings]

Oh, so they merge with a computer.

[Pat]

They have the camera in their room, and it's just straight up replacing them with a photorealistic hottie.

[Whitney Cummings]

I thought you meant real guys in wigs. You're saying cartoon puppet. It's a puppet there.

[Pat]

It's a digital puppet. But there's going to be more of.

[Whitney Cummings]

Those, by the way. I'm. That. I mean, with the amount of lighting and makeup I have on, that's what you're looking at truly right now.

[Pat]

You haven't been here in months.

[Whitney Cummings]

I mean. Oh, no. Oh, no. Whitney Foley's, like, still stuck in Virginia. We got an Airbnb in between. Yeah. Richmond and Norfolk. And it was a Christian culture that was on the river and it had, like, you know, where you baptize people, like in a river you know, and it was very like, I have bad airbnb luck in a way that is truly, like, I've never seen anything like it.

[Pat]

You. You didn't stay. I thought something like that would.

[Whitney Cummings]

We went for, like, an hour. No. Trust me. I was in heaven.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

But my cousin Grace started crying. She was just like, I can't do this. Like, she. Like, it was usually. It smells in it. Like, she was really. I'm like, dude, what are you talking about? The one good thing that came from COVID was we can't smell anymore, so we can stay in old haunted houses. Thank you to GoPure for sponsoring this episode. We do all the work on our faces, but what about our necks? Hmm? That's where Gopure's Tighten and lift neck cream comes in. And yes, yes, yes. I look at me, they're going for the throat. They're going. They're going. Okay, so here's the thing about necks, dude. Skin on your neck is thinner, you know, and it's more delicate than your face skin. So it's like, as the air gets colder and drier in the fall, it needs extra care. Okay? GoPure's targeted formula helps firm, smooth, and rejuvenate. It becomes the MVP of your skincare routine in four to eight weeks. And you get to put it on like this. It's so, like, glamorous.

[Pat]

It'll soften up all those calluses.

[Whitney Cummings]

Do you know what I mean? I was saying that from Pat after we've been emailing or texting for seven days straight about a demo reel that's never going to air. You know, I actually have to put the neck cream on all the time, so if Pat tries to choke me, he'll just slide right off.

[Pat]

Yeah, I'm looking into some wide receiver.

[Whitney Cummings]

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[Pat]

It's. Yeah, being in an indie band is.

[Whitney Cummings]

Probably similar, but it's like, listen to the mix I made. And you're like, ugh, why are you forcing me to listen to you? I feel like that's. Who would ever pay to listen to a guy play his favorite songs, you know what I'm saying? Most of the men I know still have a football in the back of their car. Like, just one day could still. It ain't over.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

Enough players are going to get injured that I'm going to. They're going to need me. I got my cleats, I got my jersey. Right. It's because it's girls. You're disgusted by the idea of women having influence over people, which I. I get that. If you're a parent, if you have a daughter and you're like, I don't want them to be influenced by. Have them be influenced by other girls in their twenties. That is better. Because if they're not, do you want her to be influenced by some dude in his 40s that she's dating because you won't let her build her her bedazzled shell business on ticked her shell company. I don't know. Those are pretty much the options. I was influenced. Do you want to know who I was influenced by? Not. It's not great. It's not great. This is what you want. You want your daughter looking up to girls who are proactively making money with shirts on. That's as good as it get. We got to just. We got to know when this is as good as it gets. Okay? What? What? You want your daughter working at a froyo place like I did? I would rather my kid be live streaming his monster truck collection, being like, I make custom hubcaps out of recycled GI Joes or whatever, than working at some money laundering scheme where he just spends all day at Starbucks watching someone put their card on the thing and it not tap. Why doesn't that work? Why are we all bad magicians all of a sudden with our credit cards now. It's never worked. See, this is. This is why I'm really not worried about robots taking over. We can't even figure out how to get a credit card, the tap on the card to work. Here's the other thing. When we say influencer, we think like someone who's just like, hey, guys, but here's this hotel. That's not going to be the majority of influencers, and it certainly isn't now. Like, 3% of people have the charisma for that or the traumatic childhood. That's bad enough to be able to pull off faking that they care that much. Most people have no charisma and will not succeed at that at all. So you don't have to worry about that. You know what annoys me the most about this is this is something that I was made in a lab to be annoyed about, and I'm not. Something weird happens when you go from being the most negative to the most positive per. It's a lonely place. No one has responded to me being like, what's the problem? Like, what do you. Do you know, how. Why does no one understand how they sound when they're like, why do people want to be influencers? I mean, like, look at these people trying to live their dream. Oh, look at these people who are liked and like, why don't they just want to slave away at a corporate job who won't even give them an ergonomic chair? Monsters. Why don't they want to make $9 an hour? What a bunch of shallow pigs. Why can't people have easy dreams? Now? Look, the meteor seems to be coming, or at least the news is one. The psyop that's covering up what's actually happening, which is probably way worse than me to wrap. It's because it's girls. Male podcasters. No one cares when it's a guy. The number of male podcasters making millions of dol off stuff women have just inherently known for 2000 years. Deep breaths. You mean the thing women have been doing in the woods while giving birth alone for 2,000 years? Like, what are you talking about?

[Pat]

Don't eat pizza every night.

[Whitney Cummings]

What? This is also my favorite. The fasting. That's anorexia. That's our thing. That's our thing. Just $80 million. Spotify. Deal. Sleep at night. Cool. If a woman said it'd be like, nag, bummer, micro eating, buzz kill. It really is saying. I mean, who would trust a woman's Opinion. That's really what you're saying when you're saying they want to be influencers. Like, gah. Like, you don't have to date them. You can just follow them. You could skip. You know what? This is it. I don't know if people know this consciously, but this is what you don't understand women. We figured it. We've always done this. We've always done this. You're just mad because finally gossip and selling stuff nobody needs is gonna be the only job left. And we figured out how to do it. Nobody needs big, strong men anymore. We have 3D printers. See, women. We have experience in doing things that's never needed to be done. Cause you guys just had to keep us busy, okay? You left us alone and we figured out all these businesses that are now the only thing left. The only business left is doing something that doesn't need to be done. Guilty pleasure. Making a guilty pleasure. You to give people to cope with. What's. That's the. That's where. That's where the money is. Being unnecessary is the only thing left. Nothing I have ever done is necessary. I don't think I've ever done a necessary thing truly in my life, except maybe having my wisdom teeth taken out. But I. That's truly what influencing is. It's just being. You don't need to see this. You don't need to watch this. And here it is, okay? Doing things nobody needs to do and buying things nobody needs to buy to manage the terror of this, like, meaninglessness of our existence. Get in on the ground floor. Stop complaining about influencers when especially really successful men complain about influencing. You guys make the toxic stuff that the influencers are selling. You guys have free sales girls for your weird products that you make for women when you know nothing about our bodies. Who else is going to sell? You sell your scented tampons because your uterus stinks. You a bunch of men in a room being like, we gotta put some perfume on that thing.

[Pat]

Who's got the balls to talk to the ladies about this one? Nobody. All right, Print it.

[Whitney Cummings]

What, dude? Like, who else we got? Who's gonna sell our deodorant that smells like a fruit that doesn't even exist? Influencers save rich people so much money because they sell their stuff without being paid by a company. Most influencers don't really get paid. It's all fake. Because most of influencing economy is about getting followers with the promise of getting something down the line. A brand deal, a podcast, which may probably not happen. People would probably rather get paid in attention than money at this point. Because when you get paid in attention, at least you have some proof that you are real. Because the bots have told you. If the. If bots can tell you gave you a thumbs up. That's kind of the only thread we can hang by at this point. So, you know, I'm pro influencer. I'm proud of them. I'm rooting for them. My algorithm is just never been better, I think instead of saying someone, how are you? It's like, how's your algorithm? Like, how's your algorithm?

[Pat]

Let me look at the first 10 things on your for you page.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just like, Blake Lively's back on it. What? Yeah, like what?

[Pat]

I've been getting a lot of Stephen Hawking AI videos.

[Whitney Cummings]

Me too. Is that because of you?

[Pat]

He's on the vert ramp. He's doing the lose.

[Whitney Cummings]

Have you seen these?

[Pat]

He's in an MMA fight. He's doing battlebots.

[Whitney Cummings]

That's amazing. I was proudly in the algorithm where he's on Epstein Island.

[Pat]

Oh, okay.

[Whitney Cummings]

I think that was maybe real.

[Pat]

Yeah, yeah. That was before AI.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah. He has to date young girls only. Young girls are like, really equations. You're so smart. He had a computer with him all the time. Yeah, I can be smart if I only talk through a computer. Ask me anything. I'm Stephen Hawking. Truly. Ask me anything.

[Pat]

First tell me the WI FI password. Then ask me anything.

[Whitney Cummings]

What's my computer password? Is it capital R or the lowercase?

[Pat]

Riyadh.

[Whitney Cummings]

Riyadh. This is the second podcast where I did start talking about the Riyadh Comedy Festival. I can see the thing now. Whitney Cummings addresses the festival. You know what? I don't think I need to address it. You guys have it all figured out. I think you guys got it. Yeah, you guys, I. I just. I guess I'm this weirdo. I don't operate under, you know, the idea that every government and their people are the same. But I guess that's like, you think that the people of Saudi Arabia and the Saudi government all share you. Okay, so you also believe that the Chinese government and the Chinese people are exactly the same. It's just racism. I just. I didn't. I think it took me a second. Because when people are going like, you're doing something unethical, I'm like, oh, these must be ethical people. Let me listen. And then you're like, oh, no, you're just racist. But these are also, by the way, the same people that would go like, you know, Trump's not my president. I'm nothing like our government. But other countries are. Just because you don't believe in comedy, it doesn't mean other people don't. People are like, ugh, you sell out. I love when a Nepo baby tells comics who grew up poor that they're sellouts, people whose dads have points on huge television shows. Or like, I have a backup plan, a trust fund. You're a sellout for making money. Comics have been doing rants about it, by the way. Anyone that. Any comic who has ever worked with Live Nation, which is all of them, has taken Saudi money. But keep. Keep with your little rants. A comic tried to imply that it was hypocritical that I went because I, you know, I did a special about sexual harassment and stuff like that. It was like, kind of during the Me Too movement. And it's. You know, it might be a compelling argument if it wasn't someone who was just bummed that they weren't invited, you know, because he also believes he deserves 72 virgins. Maybe it's that. Maybe it's that. As always, thank you for listening. When you get a set, Google Saudi Arabia, Live Nation, so you can be informed on the fact that anyone who has worked with Live Nation, every standup comic has taken Saudi money. Google that just so that you know what you're talking about.

[Pat]

A ticket through Live Nation or bought.

[Whitney Cummings]

A ticket through Live Nation, went to a Live Nation event. All the actors who are represented by William Morris Agency, which is all of them, if you want to send them notes, too.

[Pat]

How could you, a woman on stage, agree to perform where they don't let women on stage?

[Whitney Cummings]

It's going to.

[Pat]

You know what it is, right on that.

[Whitney Cummings]

This is statement, but regression of the highest order.

[Pat]

They don't let women on stage.

[Whitney Cummings]

No.

[Pat]

How. How could you go.

[Whitney Cummings]

How could you. How could you do this? And, you know, how could you.

[Pat]

How could you. And how could you.

[Whitney Cummings]

And also.

[Pat]

How did it work?

[Whitney Cummings]

Look, it's. It's. I'm trying to help you sound less racist. Also, if you would like to. Don't buy it. I don't want your. I don't want your blood money. I did write a chapter in my book about when I went to Dubai. Dubai. You guys would know how to pronounce. You tell me, how do you pronounce it? I'm just. I'm so ignorant. I don't know that. Which I don't. How do you go, oh, here we go. I wrote a whole chapter about what I performed in the Middle East 10, 12 years ago. You guys were mad at me then. Not sure why but I explained how I went to the Middle east and learned how to toxically ignorant I was about the Middle east and how the biggest takeaway was how to separate the people that live in a country from the government.

[Pat]

Far be it from us to have a journalist murdered.

[Whitney Cummings]

Also the same people who are like if they found out a Fox journalist was murdered they would truly throw a party. Yeah.

[Pat]

Larry Ellison bought CBS and Paramount also. Also his son. His son is. His son is going to inherit half.

[Whitney Cummings]

Of the media in the well are they? I hope they keep re airing me on. Funny you should ask. Friday nights at 8. What else am I on on CBS2 Broke Girls. Bring it back. Bring it back. Bring back. Can we the show of two females starting businesses without men being in the A storylines.

[Pat]

Did it ever come out on Blu Ray or just dvd?

[Whitney Cummings]

Pat, I think you know what. What you just said is disturbing and I want you to know that there.

[Pat]

Are collectors and probably want to.

[Whitney Cummings]

Pat said I was being disturbing this past weekend and now we're equal. You just asked me about a Blu Ray and honestly.

[Pat]

Oh, that's because you followed up with get on my level.

[Whitney Cummings]

You know who didn't ask me about Blu Rays? Any man in Saudi.

[Pat]

You followed it up with get on my level.

[Whitney Cummings]

No, I didn't. That is so funny. I should have just done a thumbs up. I wrote in my book about all of this 10 years ago. Get on my level. Get off the elephants love you.

[Pat]

Yeah, you really snuck that story by everyone by putting it in a book and printing it up and leaving it lying around.

[Whitney Cummings]

You guys go to any dentist office in Sherman Oaks SA.