Barb’s 82nd Birthday Bash

Summary

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Good Guys – "Barb’s 82nd Birthday Bash"

Podcast: Good Guys (Dear Media)
Hosts: Josh Peck & Ben Soffer (Len)
Release Date: June 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and food-filled episode, Josh and Ben (Len) dive into their favorite summer traditions, spotlighting July 4th festivities and, most notably, Josh's mother Barb's epic 82nd birthday party. The conversation meanders through hilarious family stories, party etiquette, signature dishes, parenting, social norms, sober living, car obsessions, neighborly dilemmas, and absurd news stories — all delivered in their trademark fast, affectionate, and irreverent style.

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Key Topics & Discussion Highlights

1. Fourth of July Traditions and Food

• Both hosts share their deep love for July 4th, preferring holidays without the stress of presents.

  • Ben: "I love a holiday without presents—even though, you know, the present could be a good sale."
  • Josh discusses yearly parties at his in-laws, complete with a "giant slingshot" for water balloons, Asian noodle salad, and signature family dips. Josh provides a vivid, mouth-watering recount of the festive spread.
  • Josh (04:06): "Imagine a beautiful peanut sesame oil type lo mein type noodle dish. But serve cold. Fresh...veggies that haven’t been cooked to death..."
  • Ben describes his ideal BBQ: Mexican street corn, elote, cowboy caviar, and his "elite" hotdog topping combo.
  • Ben (07:38): "Potato bun, hot dog, diced onion, coleslaw, diced pickles, and Russian—elite, elite. I know it sounds crazy."

• Hot take on fireworks:

  • Ben (08:41): "If you film fireworks, you don’t deserve to have a phone. What are you nuts? Fireworks are an experience for you...in the present moment. Nobody ever was shown a video of fireworks and said, 'Oh my God, that’s amazing,' because they don’t give a shit."

• Conversation drifts to living in the moment and not obsessively filming every special event.

2. Barb’s 82nd Birthday Party: The Main Event

(Starts at 14:11)

• Josh recounts his trip to Florida for his mother Barb’s 82nd birthday bash:

  • Classic Barb request: Carvel ice cream cake ("because she knows what’s up").
  • Josh (14:43): "But my mom, who is the classic of all classic, what did she want for her cake but a Carvel ice cream cake because she knows what's up."
  • Hilarious mishap: Barb insists on the cake coming out too early; two hours later, it’s "melted into the table."
  • Quick thinking: Switch to a Costco cheesecake mid-party.

• Food highlights:

  • Orders from Gold Belly: authentic East Coast Jewish deli fare.
  • East Coast Sloppy Joes: triple-decker sandwiches with roast beef, turkey, coleslaw, Russian dressing.
  • Barb's "special guest": She surprises everyone by ordering kishka (Jewish comfort food of seasoned potato mixture stuffed in cow intestines).
    • Josh (19:13): "Guess who the secret guest is...I ordered kishka."

• Atmosphere:

  • Partying among Florida's senior set, with introductions to staff and lots of proud Jewish family energy.

3. Attitudes Toward Parties, Aging, and Sober Living

(Starts at 21:14, revisited throughout)

• Josh discusses hesitation around throwing parties for his upcoming 40th:

  • Prefers intimate vacations over big gatherings, noting that parties often prevent meaningful time with dear friends.
  • Reflection on being present and the challenges/joys of experiencing parties as a sober person.
    • Josh (32:53): "If you've got 50 or 60 of the people I love most in one room, I would be devastated that I didn't get enough time with you."
    • Josh (34:04): "Where I won’t have fun is at a place where it’s incredibly packed and it’s so loud that I can’t do this right..."
    • Discussion of replacing traditional party "fun" with meaningful conversations and quality time.

• Len discusses his love for big, loud parties, live music, and gathering tons of friends.

4. Car Chat: Favorite Rides & Family Car Talk

(23:05, 24:21)

• Both hosts share enthusiasm for large, luxury SUVs and road trips.
  • Len recently drove a GMC Yukon Denali and loved it; Josh dreams of a Ford Expedition for his growing family.
  • Josh expresses his taste for "high trim" vehicles and tells stories about friends’ Escalades.
    • Josh (24:24): “The Escalade IQ...it’s sick.”

5. Culinary Deep Dives & Product Shoutouts

(25:30, 26:39)

• Len’s passionate endorsement of Diamond Crystal kosher salt ("the best salt on the market").
• Riff on seasoning food and the importance of cooking "with your hands, seasoning as you go."
• Shoutout to "Fiber Plus" by Momentous, with typical gut health banter and digestive humor.
  • Len (28:43): "Sorry if you're triggered. Duties. Duties. It's great for...It's so great for your stomach, let me tell you."

6. RV Life & Road Trip Fantasies

(29:17)

• Josh shares his RV experience with John Stamos — fun but ultimately unnecessary when hotels are an option.
• Len fantasizes about an RV road trip inspired by the Robin Williams movie "RV."
• Josh jokes about how his life would be "way more fun if he did drugs," prompting musings on "van life" and wild road trip possibilities.

7. Male Grooming, Masculinity, and ‘Icks’

(37:28, 39:04)

• Discussion of “icks” for women, notably men running with backpacks, and ideal masculine aesthetics.

  • Josh: "The most masculine thing you can have is like a really high end duffel bag..."
  • Both hosts agree on the importance of a personal scent; design preferences for bags (never a crossbody!), and details on preferred colognes.
    • Josh (40:16): "A man should have a scent. A man should always have cash. And they should always be on top."
    • Shares his longtime favorites: Yves Saint Laurent’s L'Homme Nuit and Jo Malone fragrances.

• Playful riff on the band Creed, integrating lyrics to joke about colognes.

8. Absurd & Weird News Segment

(37:21, 45:52)

• Hilarious “What Are You Nuts?” coverage, including:
  • A woman who spent $50,000 to "marry herself" after being cheated on (commented as "throwing a party for yourself").
  • Rising teen creatine use replacing steroid use, plus the problem of "toxic gym culture" and "looksmaxing."
  • The dangers of drinking too many hard seltzers (fake "Jersey Medical Center" syndrome, called "Me tummy hurts from too many trulys").

9. Listener Mailbag: Neighbor & Friendship Dilemmas

(51:24, 52:13)

• Neighbor sees all their parties from an apartment above and wants invites; how to handle this?

  • Ben: "I think you have to set the tone for being unbothered by it. If you’re unbothered by them and their thoughts...they will have to adopt that feeling."
  • Discussion of party etiquette, neighborly obligations, and FOMO as adults.
  • The evolution of social anxieties around invitations; being excluded from important events as an adult.

• Another listener mails in about a father-in-law who puts his dirty suitcase inside a baby's crib, prompting classic "What are you nuts?" exasperation and inventive crib redesign banter.

10. Closing ‘What Are You Nuts?’ Pet Peeve

(62:05, 62:39)

• Josh’s grievance: needy app prompts for ratings and feedback every time you use them.
  • Josh: "Let me use the app. Don’t be so needy. Apps."
  • Ben: "The only thing you should be rating five stars on is this fucking podcast."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ben, on filming fireworks (08:41):
  • "If you film fireworks, you don't deserve to have a phone. What are you nuts? Fireworks are an experience for you, in the present moment."
• Josh, on signature family party food (04:06):
  • "Imagine a beautiful peanut sesame oil type lo mein type noodle dish. But serve cold. Fresh...veggies that haven't been cooked to death..."
• Josh, on parties as a sober person (32:53):
  • "If you've got 50 or 60 of the people I love most in one room, I would be devastated that I didn't get enough time with you."
• Len, on party etiquette and FOMO (53:39):
  • "I no longer have FOMO for situations where nobody thought of me."
• Josh, on parenting and cribs (59:09):
  • "Either he has that worm in his brain that Bobby Kennedy has. Or he's got such a bad back, then he needed to put it on a raised surface."
• Ben, on needy apps (62:42):
  • "You've trapped me. Good job. You trapped me. Yes. How about five stars? That would be nice. Five stars would be nice in the app store."
• Both, on rating the podcast (63:29):
  • Ben: "The only thing you should be rating five stars on is this fucking podcast."
  • Josh: "That's right!"

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Time-Stamped Guide

• 00:36 – Fourth of July: food, traditions & family parties
• 04:06 – Josh’s family’s signature dishes explained
• 07:38 – Ben’s hot dog toppings & BBQ strategy
• 08:41 – Ben’s fireworks filming rant
• 09:06 – Philosophy of living in the moment (vs. phone/camera obsession)
• 14:11 – Josh’s trip to Barb’s 82nd Birthday Bash
• 16:39 – Carvel cake melting saga
• 17:33 – Gold Belly, East Coast Sloppy Joes, and ‘special guest’ kishka
• 21:14 – Turning 40, party preference vs. meaningful trips
• 23:05 – Road trip dreams and family car needs
• 24:21 – SUV/Trim talk (Denali, Suburban, Escalade, Expedition, etc.)
• 25:30 – Kosher salt and hands-on seasoning
• 28:43 – Fiber talk, gut health, and digestive humor
• 29:17 – RV adventures; road trip fantasies
• 34:04 – Parties, sobriety, and social endurance
• 37:28 – Male ‘icks’, backpack running, masculine aesthetics
• 39:04 – Scent talk (Cologne, masculinity)
• 40:16 – Grooming essentials (scents, cash, confidence)
• 45:52 – Weird news: marrying yourself, looksmaxxing, high seltzer dangers
• 51:24 – Listener mail: neighbor dilemma
• 59:09 – Listener mail: suitcase in crib, and bad crib/back design
• 62:05 – App neediness and rating pet peeve

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Episode Tone & Style

Fast-talking, playful, and full of affectionate ribbing, food raves, Jewish family warmth, and "What are you nuts?" humor. Both hosts deftly weave personal anecdotes with broader cultural observations, blending laughs and genuine insight in stories about family ties, party etiquette, modern parenting, and adulthood.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a classic example of the relaxed, conversational energy that makes Good Guys addictive: you’ll leave hungry, nostalgic for family, and with a few fresh opinions about salt, birthday party philosophy, and how not to be a terrible neighbor. Don’t forget—five stars (for the podcast, not the app)!

Transcript

[Josh]

The following podcast is a dear media production. Two Jews, both big and tall. No subject too small for the Good guys. A mother Stream premium podcast team. Make it your weekly routine. It's a Good Guys. And if you don't give us five stars. What are you nuts?

[Len]

What are you nuts? Yeah, we're the good guys.

[Josh]

They're not the great guys. We're just the good and good of the good guys. Mazda morons. Welcome back to the Good Guys podcast, Josh.

[Len]

We are coming up on my favorite holiday of the year. Okay, I know we're still. Yes, it's my favorite holiday year. No question. America's independence. Okay. I love a firework. I love a hot dog. And let me tell you, I. I live for July 4th. Do you live for July 4th?

[Josh]

I love it. It's a really. I like holidays without presents.

[Len]

Yes, yes, yes, that's good. Even though the present could be a good sale. Perhaps you're looking for a new car, Josh? They have lovely July 4th auto sale. So while it's not exactly a present, they're trying to still give you a couple of shekels off.

[Josh]

You know what I have? Look, I have an auto broker now. He's a very legitimate Armenian man named Vahe. Shout out vahe gmsla@ on Instagram. And the deals are year round. They're year round. Shout out Bahi there I.

[Len]

It's so interesting. Are they actually deals? People are like, okay, this is a Memorial Day deal. A Labor Day deal. Are they really deals, Josh? Or every day of the. Or every other day of the year, are people just getting fucked?

[Josh]

This is what's been revealed to me. If you can wait. The car you want will always have a deal. And. Or if you want a deal, you have to be. What's the world the word you have to be not agnostic about your car choice because there's always a deal going on.

[Len]

Why sure.

[Josh]

Because there's always a car that the automotive company cannot move. These cars have been sitting on the lot. They want to move them out because there's a new model coming in. So that's when we pounce. That's when we move. You want a new Mercedes GLC 300 right now. Not a sponsor. Should be. You're going to get that for between two and $400 a month with 3,000 down right now. Call Bahe. I don't know why I keep pitching Baja. I do not get any money from him.

[Len]

Wow, that's a great deal.

[Josh]

Oh, the GLC happens to be Mercedes most sold car. It Is Mercedes. What's up?

[Len]

That is a great deal. And if you come over to Good Guys Auto on the corner of Sanford. Right, right, right.

[Josh]

Yeah. Oh my God. And you know how like when they go, you know what, let me go back, let me work on the numbers and we'll try. That's when we start peppering them. While we're in the other room, all of a sudden Good Guys subs comes in. Like, let me get you a little sandwich or something while you're waiting. Oh, we just happen to have our own sub shop.

[Len]

It's right there. It's literally, that's that's what makes a great experience. You're coming, you're shopping for a car, but all of a sudden we're giving you a beautiful sandwich. Okay, food.

[Josh]

Food.

[Len]

Back to July 4th.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Len]

What are you doing? What are you doing? And what are you eating?

[Josh]

Okay. So my mother in law throws a party every year. It is my son's favorite, favorite day of the year. Why? Because we have a giant slingshot that shoots out water balloons that they shoot over their neighborhood and do not care what happens. And my in laws, my family in general are wonderful law abiding, rule following people that are as classy as classy gets. And on this one day they fucking let it lose. We had to talk this woman off the ledge last year from not calling the police on us. She's like, are you nuts? You're shooting water balloons all over the street. We're like, get over it, lady. You're only 90. So yeah, my mother in law makes a famous Asian noodle salad, but she makes it with these hearty linguine noodles. Are you staying with me here?

[Len]

I'm staying with you, but talk me through it. Talk me through it.

[Josh]

Imagine a beautiful peanut sesame oil type lo mein type noodle dish. But serve cold. Fresh. Fresh, fresh veggies that haven't been cooked to death like a typical chow mein. I'm talking fresh bell peppers. I'm talking, there's carrots, there's cabbage. It's gorgeous. Then this peanut butter sauce, beautiful, crisp, good. Then they do their famous pasta salad. Two pastas, great. The famous pasta salad. Now this. We're talking about mayo. We're talking about balmain. Oh, that's for something else. We're talking about mayo.

[Len]

Ra.

[Josh]

Talking about olives. We're talking about pimentos. Heard of them. Salt and pepper. Okay, and then we're going to chill that down. Okay, Two different cold pasta salads. Then we're doing the dip, the o' Brien family famous dip. Okay. This is cream cheese. This is mayo. This is celery. This is Balmain seasoning. Is that right, Belmond?

[Len]

Sure, sure. I don't.

[Josh]

I don't think Balmain is couture.

[Len]

I think Balmain is a couture, but I'm down. But Balmain seasoning, maybe. What could be with a b. Bur. No, I don't know.

[Josh]

This is. You know what if my wife hears this? These are the things that upset her. Let's call her, okay?

[Len]

This is important. Ask her what the real seasoning is. What is it?

[Josh]

Okay. She's with us. I can already. She's going to be. Let's. I'll be able to tell from her. Hi. If she's upset or not.

[Len]

Huh?

[Josh]

Hey. Hey, hey. You're live on the podcast. Really quick. Just wondering. The famous Spurbeck family dip. This is. The seasoning is Balman.

[Len]

Balman. Gotcha. Thank you.

[Josh]

Balmain is a couture company, in case you were wondering. Oh, yeah, I. I'm well aware. Thank you. Bye. She's not gonna be pleased.

[Len]

And she answered the phone. She was in great mood and now you ruined her day. Okay, I gotta try Beaumont. I don't even. I've never even heard of it.

[Josh]

It's wonderful seasoning. And. And then you're doing that, of course, with the elite of all Fritos. The Frito scoop, A heartier Frito, a bigger surface area Frito and the best. And then you're doing dogs. You're doing barbecue chicken. A crapload. You're doing fun little desse. And just like a lot of different dips. You're doing a seven layer dip. You're. I mean, but those are the staples you.

[Len]

Josh, that sounds absolutely wonderful. I'm doing something similar. I'm making probably either a Mexican street corn, or we're taking it, cutting it off and making it into like one of those street corn, like niblets. You know, you can keep it on the. On the cob or chop it or cut it off and make it into like a beautiful street corn. I love that. Elote. Exactly. Cowboy caviar. Huge fan. Love it Big again. Fritos scoops be fantastic. Sometimes we use just regular Tostitos. And then we're just big barbecuers. We're talking about a beautiful barbecue chicken on the grill. We're talking about burnt hot dogs. My family loves a burned dog. I like them just before burned. But my God, taking a potato bun with a hot dog, I go a little crazy. My sister in law, Jackie, Huge hot dog fan. She loves Dijon mustard and sauerkraut for me. You're going to call me crazy. I know you're going to call me crazy. It's okay. I'm fine with being crazy. I go potato bun, hot dog, diced onion, coleslaw, diced pickles, and Russian elite. Elite. And I know it sounds crazy.

[Josh]

I'm willing to try it.

[Len]

Elite. Okay. And if you want a little acid, you could still throw in a little yellow mustard or Dijon elite. Okay. I love a burger. Boy, do I love a burger. I love barbecues in general. We're gonna be by a pool, okay? We're gonna be in the beautiful Hamptons, and let me tell you, buy a pool, dog in hand, a Skinny spritz society. My whole family there. And then we're gonna watch some gorgeous fireworks. I love fireworks, Josh. I love them. I do. I think that if. And I'm just going to jump right now to my. What are you nuts? I'm not going to do it later. Josh, if you film fireworks, you don't deserve to have a phone.

[Josh]

That's right.

[Len]

What are you nuts? Fireworks are an experience for you.

[Josh]

You.

[Len]

In the present moment, nobody ever was shown a video of fireworks and said, oh, my God, that's amazing, because they don't give a shit. You're never going to go back and look at your fireworks, right? You won't even give a shit. It's in the moment. Be present with your fireworks. What are you, nuts?

[Josh]

I couldn't agree with you more. I think filming in general, like you were at the insane Nick game the other day, where they came back from 29 points down at the half. How many people were filming every second? And not just living in the mom.

[Len]

Everyone. And I'm so fortunate that I was with my videographer. Uh, Claudia was filming a lot for. She launched an amazing Patreon vlog. Like vlogging. The whole day, she was filming. I didn't have my phone out once. Not once. Because what am I supposed. I. I'm there to live it. If I want to film it, I can watch it on tv. Like, what's the. What's the difference? Somebody else is going to film it. In the age of phones, somebody got the shot, right? Somebody got it. If it's a fan, they're going to post it on Twitter. If it's the broadcast, they're going to get it. You don't need it. It's like when we were. We had a birthday party for Ruby, and my mom loves pictures. I mean, everybody loves pictures, but my mom's always like, make sure we get this. Make sure we get that. And I looked at my mom, I'm like, I promise you, there's a professional photographer here. You're gonna get the best pictures ever. We don't need to take them on your phone. Whatever we're gonna take on your phone is gonna pale in comparison. And, boy, was I right. These pictures came out gorgeous. But, yeah, just live in the moment. Enjoy the moment. Somebody's going to take a picture for you. If you have good friends and family around you, you're going to get a picture.

[Josh]

Now, when you told your the beautiful Ava this, did she submit? Did she go, yes, I trust you, my son?

[Len]

She did. She did, right?

[Josh]

Because God bless my mother, I would have heard, you know, I get so little. Nice.

[Len]

That stuff.

[Josh]

Yeah. Okay. You know, I asked so little of you. You know, I have such little. I have such little joy. And here you go, you know, the cleanup crews here cleaning up my joy,

[Len]

you know, such little joy.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Len]

Oh, my.

[Josh]

What do I ask? You know?

[Len]

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[Josh]

I actually made a 24 hour day trip to the great Florida where my mother lives for her 82nd birthday. God bless her and Happy Birthday Yom.

[Len]

Who let it Sama. Did you listen to the Stevie Wonder version or the regular?

[Josh]

So it was a wonderful time. We just sang a regular song over a Costco cheesecake. Of course. Because my mom, who is the classic of all classic, what did she want for her cake but a Carvel ice cream cake because she knows what's up.

[Len]

Elite. Elite. That's what it is. And and by the way, the best part about it is no other cake is it appropriate to keep.

[Josh]

Right?

[Len]

There's no other cake that is appropriate to keep. You get a full blown cake. You put that cake in your fridge, fat ass. How fucking fat are you kept your sheet cake in the fridge, fatty. Okay? An ice cream cake, Josh, you can keep that and not be called fat and you can eat it every single day for the Next, one day or week, depending on how quickly you eat it. That delicious, yummy cake with the Oreo crumble and the marshmallowy. Oh, I love Carvel. So good. Are there any Carvels in Los Angeles?

[Josh]

There is. There's one Carvel on Santa Monica Boulevard. Shout out. But I'm a huge fan of the Carvel enterprise. I love a Carvalanche. Delish I and their whale thing. But the one, you know, the. The one Ain't no. What's the phrase? Like, ain't no stains in my game.

[Len]

Sure, sure. That's a phrase. Ain't no. Ain't no stains in my game.

[Josh]

Ain't no stain in my game. And game is my code word for underwear. Underwear.

[Len]

Same thing.

[Josh]

So my mom gets a beautiful Carvel cake, which is a 10 out of 10. But then as the party starts, she goes to the woman who was helping her set up for the party, she goes, take out the cake. I go, ma, people aren't here yet. It's an ice cream cake. She goes, it's not good.

[Len]

Hard, by the way. She's right.

[Josh]

Right. But two hours later.

[Len]

That's a problem. That's a problem.

[Josh]

It has melted into the table.

[Len]

Yes.

[Josh]

And this lovely aid woman who was helping her, like, takes me over to the side. She goes, that cake is finished. She's like, I feel terrible. I said, get out the Costco cheesecake and start singing Row.

[Len]

Oh, my God.

[Josh]

But, God, does my mom know how to throw a party? She had the wonderful gold belly. Shout out. We love gold belly. I keep trying to do a partnership with them. They have no interest. But I. My mom ordered an east coast sloppy Joes from, like, New Jersey. You know? You know this east coast sloppy Joes.

[Len]

No, but. Sounds unbelievable.

[Josh]

So instead of the typical, you know, like, you know, chopped meat or like hamburger meat and like kind of a tomatoey barbecuey sauce on, like, a bun. Right? That's a. That's how most people know sloppy Joe.

[Len]

That's how I know sloppy jizz.

[Josh]

So the New Jersey. New York version of it, and it's clearly more of a. Specific to maybe Jerseyites, is it's like a club sandwich on white bread. Right. So it's. There's like roast beef, turkey, then you'd love this. Roast beef, turkey, coleslaw on a triple decker sandwich and then just doused in Russian and.

[Len]

Oh, and. Okay. And they call that. Yeah, I. I mean, that's a fantastic, fantastic sandwich.

[Josh]

But it's not. There's a sandwich.

[Len]

No, we call it. I Think an East Sider. It might be the name that's really. That's turkey coleslaw. Russian. No, that. That's. It's elite. I've never heard that called a sloppy joe, though. But that's an unbelievable sandwich. Unbelievable.

[Josh]

So she gets trays of this.

[Len]

Yes.

[Josh]

There's trays of beautiful dip rugala that she got from Gold Belly. Beautiful Jewish dessert. And then. And this one was the one fringe one that I was like, damn, mom, you really know how to get real specific with this order. Because obviously, who was there but. But a bunch of old Jews. She goes, guess who the secret guest is. Who am I? She goes, I ordered kishka.

[Len]

Where did she order the kishka from? I have no idea. And I love that she positioned it

[Josh]

as a special guest.

[Len]

I was like, okay,

[Josh]

Who are to wear. Kishka is a Jewish peasant food of cow intestines, spices mixed with potato flour.

[Len]

And it's pretty fantastic. I'm not gonna lie. I'm all in on all of it. Maybe it's just because it's how I was.

[Josh]

It's so raised.

[Len]

It's so good.

[Josh]

And usually gravy on top, right?

[Len]

Yes. Delish.

[Josh]

It's delish. So that was a special guest, but we had the best time. God bless her. At 82, she's as wonderful and, you know, crushing it as always. And it was, you know, very nice to see her. And so Shout out. It was. It was a bab special.

[Len]

Oh, I have to. I haven't met her. I have to. I have to. I have to. I don't know when. Just putting it out there. I'm available.

[Josh]

It'll come, it'll happen. I. I'm trying to think of was there any more ism. You know, she likes to. She lives at a beautiful senior independent living, so she likes to introduce me to the staff. And. And she, you know, she was like. And, you know, you find it kind of is like a slow sort of line of people that help her in the most beautiful senior way. She goes, this is Ro. He brings my WI Fi in. I go, I think WI Fi is everywhere, You know.

[Len]

Oh, my God. But, yeah, that is so good. Are you taking any trips this summer? Like, do you guys have anything planned?

[Josh]

So I'm trying to think of, you know, we don't. But the thing about it is that I am turning 40 in November, and so I keep wanting to maybe go for a couple of days to my favorite place, Vancouver, with my wife and kids. And. But during the school year, it's Tough, right? Because you really, in public school especially, you're only allowed a certain amount of absences before, like, the superintendent calls you. And so I'm thinking, like, maybe we should just go up there. Like, I mean, Vancouver's way more beautiful in July than it is November. Like, yeah, we just go up for a couple of days. I don't know. We'd like to. Max is in mad camps. I'm going to be working a lot, so we'll see.

[Len]

And you really don't want to throw a birthday party?

[Josh]

No.

[Len]

1,000%. For 40. For 40. You don't want a birthday party?

[Josh]

No.

[Len]

Okay, then your wishes will be respected. What?

[Josh]

You. You working behind the scenes?

[Len]

I'm just saying if you really don't want a birthday party, then you don't have a birthday party. But I'm just saying birthday parties are really fun, especially when they're for real birthdays. I get it. You don't want a 39th birthday party. Okay? You probably don't even want a 35th. You want a 30th. You want a 40th. You want a 50th. You want a 60th, a 65th. Because we're celebrating being able to take all of these government benefits. Like, these are 40s. A beautiful birthday. Just think about it. But regardless, I like the trip, the Vancouver trip. It's wonderful. Do you guys ever do any road trips? Are we roadies?

[Josh]

Road. We need to. We need to get a big Ford Expedition or something. I think that's going to be our next car. So we can really. Because now that we have three kids, three car seats, like, if we had a proper people mover, I think that would be a game changer.

[Len]

I'm so happy you brought this up. I just. For maybe a month ago, I got a GMC Denali Yukon.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Len]

For two weeks. This Denali. Fantastic. Oh, yeah, Fantastic. I loved it. I guess it's very similar, if not the same to a Suburban, but there was something about Denali. I felt Italian. It was white. It was. It was amazing. I loved it. Such a great big car. Has some good pickup. Nothing. I am absolutely spoiled by this. M M Class 7 Series X7. Nothing. Nothing feels as good as stepping on that pedal and revving. Maybe you can get. Can you get a V8 in one of these?

[Josh]

I would bet you Your Denali's a V8.

[Len]

It didn't have the same pickup, but let me tell you, was a beautiful, beautiful, spacious car. Huge. I loved it.

[Josh]

Yeah, it's all those. You're Talking about the GMC Yukon Denali, the highest end trim package of their Yukon series. We're talking about the Chevrolet Suburban High country, the highest end packaging. We're talking about the Ford Expedition Platinum, the highest of trims. I love cars. I love a high trim.

[Len]

And an Escalade. Thoughts on an Escalade?

[Josh]

Sick. The Escalade iq. I had it for two weeks. They let me drive it. It's sick.

[Len]

Sick. I think. I know. It's such a. I know. It's such a pretty penny. I think you need one.

[Josh]

It is such a pretty penny. The great my east. My west Coast, Ben Len, my best friend, has it. It's gorgeous. I'm so happy for him. He deserves it. The only thing that killed me was when he. He bought it, he was like, yeah, bro, but she needs new shoes. I said, what the did you just say?

[Len]

He's like, he got new wheels.

[Josh]

He needed new wheels. He's like, the wheels just ain't it. Now, I will say that the wheels he put on it are absolutely sick. If you're Suge Knight. No, but don't ever call them shoes. Oh, my God.

[Len]

I would say my car needs new booties.

[Josh]

My car needs new sandals.

[Len]

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[Josh]

Okay?

[Len]

A sprinkling of salt and pepper. You're going to put it into the pan. Let me tell you, folks, you can season as you go. You're going to try it Maybe you want a little bit more salt. Maybe you want a little bit more pepper. If we just put in a tablespoon. How. No, no, we need to season as we go. Okay. Same thing for pastas, same thing for stews. Really? For soups. My God. For soup, put in a pinch taste no good. Pinch more taste good. Chili. Diamond Crystal Salt company. Is it the salt? The flakes are beautiful. They're the, the, the crystals, excuse me, are beautiful and flaky and fantastic. Great. You don't have to use a measuring cup. No, nothing. Just a little salt bait, pinch. Let me tell you, it's fantastic. Diamond Crystal Salt company Available really everywhere. Target, Albertsons, Whole Foods, Kroger, you name it. This episode of the Good Guys podcast is brought to you by our friends at Momentous. Folks, you know we love Momentous here at the Good Guys podcast. They're creatine, my dad's favorite. Let me tell you, their products are all fantastic. And when I heard, okay, when I heard they had this new beautiful product called Fiber plus, let me tell you, I was excited because we all need more fiber. Fiber is the key. Fiber keeps you feeling full, longer. Fiber is it. Fiber helps with those big beautiful. Sorry if you're triggered. Duties. Duties. It's great for. Oh my God. It's so great for your stomach, let me tell you. And fiber isn't new, it's not trendy, but it might be one of the most important and overlooked parts of your health. Nearly 95% of people aren't getting enough fiber. Modern diets and busy lifestyles make it really hard to get enough consistently because they strip it away. Freaking. I don't even know who to blame. That's why Momentous launched Fiber Plus, a triple action formula combining soluble and insoluble fiber with prebiotic resistant starch to support gut health and digestion. And let me tell you, it helps your body absorb nutrients, better stabilize your blood sugar and improve recovery. Most fiber products haven't evolved. Single source and full of gut disrupting additives. Momentous took a different approach with Fiber plus, combining three types of fiber helping close a major modern nutrition gap. Folks, support your health and overall performance with Momentous Fiber Plus. And get 35% off your your entire first order. I love a good code at livemomentous.com promo code good guys. That's L I V E M O M E N T o u s livemomentous.com promo code good guys for 35% off your first order. Live momentous.com promo code good guys I want to get an RV. I want to get an RV. Josh, what do you think about that for me?

[Josh]

You know, I went RVing with John Stamos for his 50s.

[Len]

You did? Oh, should we do that for your 40th? Get an RV?

[Josh]

No. RV. First of all, you needed. You need. He was smart enough to do it right. And get us a driver who. Who we were friends with, who. Who was from the transport department of our TV show. So he's like a professional driver and handle it. But, you know, the whole thing was not. It was just. Wasn't necessary. Like, I think we would have had as much fun. It was cool going to a camp. The first night we went to a campsite and slept in the. Which was, like, kind of cool and fun. But the next time we went to a hotel, like, I think we could have had just as much fun going to San Francisco in a beautiful Ford Expedition Platinum.

[Len]

Yeah, I guess, like, the. The benefit of the RV is kind of lost when you can afford hotels. Like, what. What's the. Like, what's. What's the purpose? Like, the purpose is sleeping in it.

[Josh]

RV people. It's the RV park.

[Len]

Sure. It's the community. Okay. The rv. The RV community. Okay. I. I respect that. I just always, since seeing the critically acclaimed RV with Robin Williams, I've always wanted to be in an rv. I don't know, Just seems fun. Fun. Just like sleeping on the road, traveling up through Arizona, getting into California, Vegas, California. I don't know. I just, like, west coast RV trip seems fun. Maybe I start in New Mexico.

[Josh]

You know, I'll say the. The thing about myself that I know you've wanted to say for a long time, but you hold yourself back. Like, my life would be way more fun if I did drugs. And

[Len]

it's always top of mind.

[Josh]

Like, I always, like when I see, like, train trips or, like, even, like, when I. You know, on Tick Tock, I'll.

[Len]

I'll.

[Josh]

My algorithm will be like those people with those insane sprinter vans, right? And they, like, have it beautifully built out with a bed in the back and, like, a tv, and it's so cool. And I'm like, fuck if I, like, could do that with, like, a. Like, a hard 7. Girlfriend and Vicodin in a Walmart parking lot. Like, that sounds awesome. Smoke a blunt and just. Yeah. With my seven Me and my son My seven.

[Len]

That's a great song.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Len]

Great country song. Me and my seven yeah. She brings me to heaven.

[Josh]

Yeah. Or, you know, you have a threesome with, like, two 3.5s. You know, that's.

[Len]

Yeah. By the way, that's more than a seven. That brings it up to an eight. Yeah.

[Josh]

You round up and tell. Now tell me what you think. And. And I know that sometimes I need to do better. Like, I think the reason I don't like a party is I love what Sebastian Maniscalco said of, like, if I could go to Cabo with, like, for three days, but all my friends have kids. Right. Like, and so it's really hard to get everyone there. But, like, if I could go with Len and his wife Michelle, and you and Claude and do that for three days, like, that I would be really into because we'd really get to bro down and enjoy and, like, enjoy each other, and the girls would have a great time. And my issue with parties is I'm so alcoholic that if you flew in and a few other friends came, and I've got like 50 or 60 of the people I love most in one room, I would be devastated that I didn't get enough time with you.

[Len]

I understand.

[Josh]

That's the thing is, like, when I'm with people, I really want to enjoy them and parties feels like you never get enough time with everyone and you sort of wind up kind of cornering off with a couple people for the majority. What do you think?

[Len]

I think you've brought up something in the beginning of that that I've never really thought of as somebody that's been sober for 17 years, have you found a way to enjoy a party, or is it not easy for you to enjoy parties? Because I'm not a. A sober person by any means, but I. I do drink significantly less than I once did just because I think my. My life's like, my. My. The stage of life that I'm in. And, like, I can go to a party and not drink at all. And I. It's different fun. Like that old version of fun where you want to stay out until 4 in the morning. Sure. Now it's truncated to two hours, but I can still have a different version of fun. Can you have fun?

[Josh]

Yeah, I can. I can certainly have fun within the way I have fun. Like, within the way I navigate it. Right.

[Len]

Yes.

[Josh]

I'm probably gonna let myself vape. I'm probably gonna let myself bum a siggy.

[Len]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And, yeah, I can get around when I don't. If I can find my. My ways in. Where I won't have fun is at a place where it's incredibly packed and it's so loud that I can't do this right. Like when you and I go to the great. What's it called? What? Method. Live method. When we go to the Great Live Method in New York and we spend an hour schmitzing and going to the Cold Plunge, and then maybe we get a bite after. Like, to me, that is like peak living.

[Len]

Agreed.

[Josh]

Because the conversation we're going to have in the schmitz is probably better and more raw than anywhere else we would have a conversation.

[Len]

It's 10 times better. But so for a party, I'm just thinking, if you were to have a party, thoughts on. You get a performer. Is that a party that you're interested in? Where even more.

[Josh]

Because you don't like that we're watching,

[Len]

but we're watching together. Something really fun. It doesn't do it for you. Okay, I understand.

[Josh]

It would have to be a knockout, like something I couldn't afford or like the people who are. This is the other thing that kills me, is when you couldn't pull strings

[Len]

and get the Beach Boys.

[Josh]

Oh, my God. That's not a string. I don't know. I. Yeah, I. I don't know. You could.

[Len]

You could.

[Josh]

I'd have to ask their tour manager, my mom, Barbara, if they were available or they were going to be at the. The dining hall with her. Shout out the Beach Boy. Shout out my glove. Yeah. I don't know. I think it would be cool to experience something like that, but I'd rather have it be, like, really corny. Like a terrible magician.

[Len]

I understand. For me, like, my dream party is I invite 100 people I love and force them to listen to an hour of All American Rejects. Like, you've done that, but I haven't done that. Live, actual All American Rejects. Like, that's what I want. I want to wait until their. Their stock's probably still a little bit too high. I want it to drop a little. I want to grab them for 50 grand when I can afford it and have everybody come and listen to an hour of dirty little secrets and move along. I live for that shit. And I live for me and you. Sweaty together, hugging, dancing. Like I. It's not conversation, but knowing that everybody around me is having fun is a present to me. I don't. I don't know why that is, but I love that. I love it. I did. I don't remember what birthday it was. I rented a back room at Second Avenue, Delhi. This is a great birthday party.

[Josh]

That was your 32nd.

[Len]

32nd. I invited, like, 30 friends. We drank and we ate pastrami like, that's, that was a great birthday. So fun. But yeah, the Cabo piece, a couple couples going away. Sounds really, really fun. Really fun.

[Josh]

Drilling and should we get to a weird story?

[Len]

Yeah, please. What's. What weird is going on in the world?

[Josh]

Well, a comedian claims women's biggest icks and turnoffs stem from one thing men usually do. It has them running for the hills. Some of the biggest icks that turn off women all involve one thing men do. Runs with their backpack. Bouncing, chasing a ping pong ball, anything. Running seems to be a moment where men show their un. Fuckability. Comedian Jared Freed told the Post. Wow. Shout out.

[Len]

Jared, I, I honestly, you're so right with the backpack. Running with a backpack on, it's tough. It's tough. Backpacks in general, there's so much sweat that pools between the backpack and my back. I really can't wear them on nice stays. I could wear them in the cold, but I, I have a backpack. I use it actively. I love my backpack. I don't know if people are looking at me and thinking, my God, he's less when he runs in his backpack. But yeah, that makes sense to me.

[Josh]

Josh, they're doing it.

[Len]

They are. Right? Yeah, that makes sense. But that makes sense.

[Josh]

Tell me this because, like, I'm not willing. I think the most masculine thing you can have is like a really high end duffel bag. Like a beautiful without, like not super monogrammed, but like an understated Louis Vuitton duffel bag. Maison Veneta. Something like super, super nice. Like that's masculine and cool. What else? Like I'm not, I'm not carrying a fucking briefcase or an attache. I'm not wearing a messenger bag. I'm definitely not wearing a crossbody. Get. Get with. Fuck you. Crossbody.

[Len]

Fuck you.

[Josh]

Never.

[Len]

No, no. Super gay. I wonder. You were in person with Sebastian Maniscalco last month. What did he, what did he smell like?

[Josh]

I don't think he smelled like anything.

[Len]

I just, I, I look at him and I really do think he probably has that gorgeous duffel for sure. Always so clean. Takes care of business. And I would have thought that he would have smelled really good. I think that's another thing with just like a really masculine man. Has a great, great smell. Great smell. They also have a perfectly fitted button down. This is not like schlubby me. I bought it at Ralph Lauren off the rack. It almost seems custom tight, but not too tight. Fitted, tucked in belt smells great. Duffel jacket, that's peak. That's peak. Josh. Yeah.

[Josh]

Handkerchief.

[Len]

Do you wear a. Could you wear a scent ever?

[Josh]

Always. Every day.

[Len]

Always. You do? What do you wear?

[Josh]

There's a couple men. Bottom lines, I think a man should have a scent. I think a man should always have cash.

[Len]

Yes.

[Josh]

And I think they should always be on top. I. I wear too.

[Len]

You should always be ready to take it in the ass.

[Josh]

And if they're going to be a bottom, they should stay quiet about it. I like I. For my whole life, I wore Yves Saint Laurent, l' Homme Nui. So, like the black cap, one beautiful scent. Still wear it to this day. But now I also wear. Use two different Jo Malone scents that I kind of swap in and out. A Scarlet Poppy, my rap name. And also Oud and Begamo. I like that one, too. Shout out to them.

[Len]

I've never been able to get into scents. I've bought them. I always wanted to be a guy that wore Creed. I smelled guys that were. Creed told me that, and I was just like, I want to be a Creed wearer. I'm not. It's just not me. I can't. I can't. I can't pull it off. And every scent that I've gotten, it just like, it doesn't smell like me. Do you get? Do you understand what I'm saying? Like, it smells like that guy, that peak, masculine, that guy, and he's awesome for him. Me. I smell like me. I don't know what me smells like. So I'd love to eventually find a scent that smells like me, but I fear that that might be tuna fish. So it could be.

[Josh]

That'd be kind of hot. I just imagine you putting on Creed, and you just all of a sudden hear like, let's go there.

[Len]

Let's make our mistakes. Come on, let's go there.

[Josh]

Lay down the sand.

[Len]

By the way, that's a commercial, right? Yeah, that's a commercial. Creed. Give him credit and go hire Creed and lay down the scent. And. And take and take and take and take me higher. That's it.

[Josh]

Can the scent take me higher?

[Len]

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[Josh]

Yes. Why I spent $50,000 to marry myself after being cheated on by Jerky Bonnie Lockett's had a bit of bum luck and love. After enduring back to back infidelity and romantic relationships that left her depressed and nearly suicidal, the model who has run a lucrative OnlyFans account for six years, decided to make one last commitment to herself. Instead of wallowing in self pity, she got into a $20,000 designer wedding dress and said I do to the woman staring back at her in the mirror. I made the biggest commitment that anyone can make to myself. Lockett, 38, an England native who lives in Ibiza, said to the Post and said marry me wedding. Said marry me at her wedding on Friday, May 30. It was one of the best days of my life. She had handwritten vows and a $27,000 pear shaped 3 carat yellow diamond ring to slip onto her own hand. Clearly a lab diamond. Cheaped out on yourself. Did we Bunny Logan.

[Len]

What was the Post doing in Ibiza? That's what I want to know.

[Josh]

I know she looks like Corinna.

[Len]

Okay, good for her. I mean I feel like that's like that's like the only fans archetype. Are we gonna be friends with her? Never mind.

[Josh]

No, you can say that we are,

[Len]

but you could say that only fans archetype.

[Josh]

Yeah. She crashes it.

[Len]

By the way. You want to throw a party for yourself? I just spoke about how much I love parties. Great. That's what you did. You threw yourself a birthday party. I've been amazing one. I love it.

[Josh]

Right?

[Len]

Right. Self care. I'm all in. I'm all in. Josh. I'm all in.

[Josh]

It's fine. Okay, what's the next one? Teen steroid use is down the concerning booster they're using instead. Steroid use is down among teenagers, but experts warn that young people are replacing it with a potentially dangerous booster. Researchers from the University of Michigan found that while anabolic steroid use among teens has significantly decreased over the past two decades, creatine use is surging. I did this study. Given the rise in social media trends that glorify toxic gym culture, along with the rise in looks maxers, said study author Philip Velez. Looks maxing is when young men take extreme measures to improve their appearance. What the hell? They're going after creatine. I think that's better than wind stroll.

[Len]

100%. And did you see, like, you know I love AG1. I know you love AG1. Did you see their new product, Josh, when they're launching Ag Pro with fucking 5 milligrams of creatine in it?

[Josh]

Wow. I like that rebrand. I like it.

[Len]

Is. Is that fucking amazing?

[Josh]

That's hot.

[Len]

Everything ag1 plus creatine. Yeah. I don't know what you're doing coming after creatine. The great Bruce Offer takes creatine. And let me tell you, he loves it. He's also hitting the gym three days a week, though. This man is. This man is my idol.

[Josh]

What an absolute unit he's become.

[Len]

A unit. He really has.

[Josh]

Well, did you know that there's a new disorder linked to drinking too much hard seltzer? It's called being a. No beware. Too many high noons could leave you highly hospitalized over consumption of any alcohol is bad for your health. But researchers at Hackensack Meridian Jersey Shore University Medical Center.

[Len]

I'm gonna trust that. I'm gonna trust Hackensack Jersey Medical. Please, please. It's worse than University of Phoenix, Hackensack Jersey Medical.

[Josh]

All right, well, it's. They're saying that it's specifically to blame for a new condition called mihandro vakaranjati.

[Len]

I don't even know me wanting to suck your.

[Josh]

It's gone. Me tummy hurts from too many trulies.

[Len]

This whole thing is made up. Hackensack Medical. A new disease called me tummy hurts. From seltzers?

[Josh]

Yeah, I don't know. It says brought on by excessive fluid intake from low solute drinks like hard seltzers. This condition, I guess it's. That's low salt.

[Len]

Just saying.

[Josh]

Slow salt.

[Len]

So what does it hurt? What is it? What does it do?

[Josh]

Can cause serious health issues such as headaches, nausea, confusion, seizures and even coma. Hyponatremia. Oh, hyponatremia. Yeah. That just means that you drink too much water and that it messes up your electrolyte levels because it didn't have salt in it. And so things get wonky in your body.

[Len]

That, that, that makes sense because you would never drink. It's interesting. You would never opt to drink ten High Noons. Sorry. You would never opt to drink ten sparkling waters.

[Josh]

Right.

[Len]

But you drink ten High Noons. Hypothetically speaking, if you're looking a party.

[Josh]

So.

[Len]

Yeah, that makes sense. That is what happens when you party hard. Okay? So party responsibly. And perhaps if. If you were drinking a beautiful spritz Society. It's A little bit more of an elevated experience instead of crushing. New nurse.

[Josh]

I just imagine you go into the hospital and they're like, get him some pretzels.

[Len]

Yeah, I'm the first person giving you a challah. First person. Soak up that Alec. Josh, should we do a moron mail?

[Josh]

Yeah, moron mail.

[Len]

Okay folks, goodguys podcast1mail.com right in. These have been fantastic. There's a great one right after. I think they wrote in after hours Sebastian Maniscalco episode. Why did my phone just go back to 1980? How is that possible? Josh, photos from 1980. There's nothing from 1980.

[Josh]

True.

[Len]

Okay. Yeah, good guys, podcast [e-mail]. write us in. They've been fantastic. This is from Naomi. Me and my husband have a couple's friend who lives across the street in apartment buildings. They live higher up so they can see onto our balcony when we have any social events, they'll mention they see people over if they're not invited. What do we say? It's really uncomfortable. We love them but we don't want them at all of our events. And no, we can't just move because we own our apartment.

[Josh]

Gotta suck it up.

[Len]

That can you do? That's really. That really sucks though. Does that happen in suburbia? Like you have a backyard? I guess most of the time your backyard is in the back of your house. So like your neighbors like strolling by, but I guess they would hear the music. I think you have to invite your neighbors if you're going to have a party. I guess you just have to invite your neighbors. They have to be at every function, right? No, no, they don't. Okay, tell me, tell me neighborly etiquette.

[Josh]

Especially speaking from the great Claudia, would she ever want that to be true?

[Len]

No, no. The party. No, for sure not no. But also like we don't. We like, we like small, tight get togethers for a reason. So yes, you're right in this case. Just because they have a couple people over doesn't mean that they need to invite their neighbor.

[Josh]

I think you have to set the tone for being unbothered by it. If you're unbothered by them and their thoughts or feelings about it, then slowly but surely they will have to adopt that feeling. I think it's living in that middle ground of like, oh, I want to people, please. But I don't want them to come to every party, which is totally reasonable.

[Len]

At what age do you wake up and not send that text? I'm not sending that text. If I'M not invited to something. I am not asking you why I wasn't invited. Perhaps at one point in my life I was sending that text. I would never send that text today, ever. At what point are you sending that text still?

[Josh]

Never.

[Len]

At what point in your life do you think you stop sending that? Is it when you have kids? Like, like what? What is it? Like, I don't, I don't want the confrontation. I don't, I, I don't want to be somewhere that I wasn't, that nobody wanted me at. Like I no longer have FOMO for situations where nobody thought of me.

[Josh]

Yeah, I think people are more inclined to invite their daily people to things. Even. I, I have a dear friend I worked with for, you know, I, I worked with almost 20 years ago and we really kept up over the years. But like we would see each other maybe once or twice a year and we would talk three or four times a year. But it was like a beloved great friend and he turned 50 and I didn't get invited to his party and I was like really disappointed. But again I was like, yeah, but I'm not in his life on a day to day. So I just kind of accepted it. So I think that's when I made my peace with like. I get it.

[Len]

Yeah, that one does sound particular. That, that one's a little bit different than what I was saying. That one sounds. If it's like a close personal friend, I would probably take some light offense. And if I wanted to continue a relationship just because this is how I am, I would need to lightly confront it and then we can move on. Like I would, if I wanted to continue the relationship, I would say, look, you know, I was surprised that I wasn't invited because I would have loved to have celebrated you. Like, is there a reason you didn't? And I would talk through it and move on, but I was more talking

[Josh]

about, what do you think the answer is going to be? Let's keep talking about that.

[Len]

I think that the answer to that probably would be either. I didn't think you would come. I didn't think that was something that you enjoyed. I think is a classic answer. I, I forgot. I'm so sorry. Like that was a miss on my part or, you know, it was a really tight list. I only invited. Which is a really hard thing to hear, but it was a really tight list. And while I love you, you know, it was like 30 people that I see every day. Wives or friends. I don't know, some, some reason that you were just Outside the line would be what I would expect to hear.

[Josh]

Oh, that's a rough one. Because I think more likely than not, it's. It's two things. It's either people forgot, because. Which I think is a good thing to. There's a saying. Don't confuse malevolence with stupidity.

[Len]

Totally.

[Josh]

You know, it's usually that people were dumb and forgot. Like, you'll. You'll be a happier. You'll live in a brighter world. If you just assume people gaffed and weren't thinking, then people are plotting against you, which they're almost always not correct. But, you know, which is probably that. But the other reality which is always going to be in my head is like, I know I wasn't invited because, like, we're actually not. Like, I just don't like the people that wouldn't. Who wouldn't invite me. I think in my head I would go, yeah, I've always thought there's a chance we're not as close as I thought. And the people that I know I'm close with, like, there would never be a question that I wouldn't be invited.

[Len]

You know, it's funny. I have. I have a friend that I really do love. I maybe see him once a year. We. But, like, when we're together, like, it's. It's really strong. And I would love to be invited to this person's wedding. I don't know if I will be. And I think that it is what it is because, again, we don't hang out that often. But I'm now thinking through it. If I wasn't invited to his wedding, I wouldn't say anything, but it would dep. But it would definitely make me realize, okay, maybe he doesn't think of. Of me as fondly as maybe I think of him.

[Josh]

But you're good too. Like, you invite. Like, I'm like, I do think of not inviting.

[Len]

I. I invite, but I also. Weddings are hard. I had a wedding. Yeah, Like, I met you after. Like, I met so many people after I got married. No, but. So the wedding part is hard because it's not a reciprocal event. Like, it's not. If you don't invite me to your wedding, it's like, okay, I didn't invite you to mine. It sucks because I didn't know you then.

[Josh]

But.

[Len]

But yeah, like, people love to, I think, keep scores with weddings. Want to do one more?

[Josh]

Sure.

[Len]

I said that the other one had something to do with the Sebastian Maniscalco episode. This one actually does. That one had nothing to do with it. I don't know what I was talking. Hey, good guys. I have a friend whose father in law came to visit when their baby was about six weeks old. He arrived, went upstairs to get settled, came back down, held the baby, played with the baby and greeted everyone. A little later, my friend went upstairs and discovered his suitcase sitting inside the baby's crib. Not next to the crib, not near the crib. Open and inside the crib. And to make it even better, he had just flown in. So the suitcase had been through the airport and baggage claim before being placed where the newborn sleeps. This is probably more of a. What are you nuts? But we've been. But we've been fired up from it. I still had to share. Love the pod. You guys are hilarious. Thanks. This made me think of Sebastian's. This is worse. But this made me think of Sebastian's friend who came to stay, who put his suitcase on Sebastian's bed instead of using the luggage rack. This is way worse. And I don't even understand it. It's psychotic.

[Josh]

The only thing that can defend this is two things. Either he has that worm in his brain that Bobby Kennedy has. You're gonna say that. Or he's got such a bad back, then he needed to put it on a raised surface. But as someone who's gotten back pain from picking up my dear Meyer for the last 11 months, navigating a. A crib is rough. Like, it's a bad. It's a bad. What's the word? Like access point for your back. It's. It. You don't have good back health. Picking up a kid out of a crib. Was it on the top of the crib? Like balance on the bars or on the mattress?

[Len]

The way that they wrote it, they didn't say on the mattress. I have to assume that it was balanced on the bars. That would make a lot more sense.

[Josh]

That's not so bad. I mean, it's not ideal.

[Len]

I like that you said, I like that you called that out. That makes more sense to me because I was thinking to myself, it's not even convenient. Like, I just lowered, by the way. You want to talk about bad for your back? I'm sure you've had to lower a crib with an allen wrench. Jesus fucking Christ. This is my 13th reason. And this is also my second. What are you, nuts? For the day? Okay. A crib should not use an Allen wrench. I'm here with my fingers. It's terrible. It's awful. My God, my back Was killing me. But yeah. Josh, cribs are not meant for anyone. Anyone. They're there. They're improperly built. I don't. I don't know the access point. It should be like. What about this, Josh? A higher crib, eye level, but it opens up like a dog crate.

[Josh]

Barnyard door.

[Len]

Barnyard door. Thoughts?

[Josh]

I like that. I even like an old style western saloon door.

[Len]

Love that, love that, love that.

[Josh]

The problem is, is that they don't want to have accoutrement. They want. They don't want to have hardware where the kid can grab saloon door.

[Len]

I just had a vision of the crib literally looks like a barn. And you just open it up, the baby's in there with a bunch of hay and chicken coop and. Yeah, that's sick.

[Josh]

Pottery Barn, kids.

[Len]

I'm just saying, why don't. Why don't people. More people? We could put a kid in a spaceship, make the crib look like a spaceship. I feel like we do that with beds. Oh, they do.

[Josh]

Okay, well, it's not cribs. It's like the next step. The next step.

[Len]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Or a toddler.

[Len]

Yeah. What about for the infant, Josh? I guess they can't enjoy it, but you can.

[Josh]

They can enjoy it. And I think they are just trying to make those. Whatever they can do to make it. Not death traps. And what research has shown is that it's literally a mattress. A breathable sheet, a breathable mattress and a, you know, a standard crib. Like, that's your best chance of your kid not getting, you know, sids in the middle of the night.

[Len]

Correct.

[Josh]

Yeah. I think the father in law has worm in his brain. Okay. Yes. Now let's get to Woody Nuts. Our what are you nuts? Moment of the week are gripes with people, places and things both big and tall. Whatever is sticking in. Yo, Kara. Hey now. Okay, this is really interesting and I. Apps are needy. What are you nuts? I'll use an app. It's a wonderful time all of a sudden. Are you enjoying me? Are you enjoying the app?

[Len]

Do you like me? Yes.

[Josh]

Okay, now I'm in a trap. You've trapped me. Good job. You trapped me. Yes. How about five stars? That would be nice. Five stars would be nice in the app store. Take a moment. Would you like me so much or God forbid. No, I don't like you. What's wrong? What I do? Can you give me a summary? You want a survey? Let's do a survey. What are you nuts? Just let me use the app. Don't be so needy. Apps.

[Len]

If you're using the app, you love it. I hate that. I always hate that. And I'm always nervous, by the way, if I click something that it's going to take me out of the app.

[Josh]

That's right.

[Len]

So I don't click anything. I'm nervous. I'm using your app. Do I like it? Yeah. Otherwise I wouldn't be fucking using it, bro.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Len]

The only thing you should be rating five stars on is this fucking podcast.

[Josh]

That's right.

[Len]

Otherwise, what are you, nuts? Listen to us wherever you at your podcast. Watch us on YouTube. Watch us on Spotify. Spotify. The video on Spotify is fantastic. It's fantastic. Creed, can you take me higher? Monday and Thursdays, folks. We'll see ya next time. Next time, Next time.