Big Guys, Bigger Thoughts: Is God Fat?

Summary

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Good Guys – “Big Guys, Bigger Thoughts: Is God Fat?”

Hosts: Josh Peck & Ben Soffer
Date: April 2, 2026
Podcast: Dear Media

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Episode Overview

In this characteristically irreverent and genuine episode, Josh and Ben riff on the idea of God’s physicality—namely, “Is God fat?”—as a tongue-in-cheek entry point to a sprawling, honest discussion of body image, plastic surgery, societal norms, gender, and self-improvement. As always, their humor and self-deprecation underpins deeper questions about self-acceptance, relationships, and what motivates attraction. Along the way, they share stories from their own struggles and delve into surprising insights about gender dynamics and body perception, all in their signature, freewheeling style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Theoretical God: Is God Fat?

• (00:03–01:31)
  • Ben opens by asking Josh what he’d want “the big man upstairs” to say to him in heaven.
  • They riff humorously: “Imagine there’s just like a 600 pound man in the sky. ...God’s definitely fat.” (Ben, 00:17)
  • “God’s Fat”—the concept evolves into a running gag about band names and children’s books.

Personal Body Image & Obesity Journeys

• (01:31–06:13)
  • The hosts segue into an honest talk about weight, compulsive eating, and how both have used medical or surgical means to manage their health.
  • Ben reflects on his weight gain and loss: “Without Ozempic, I do wonder in my older years how big I would have gotten.” (Ben, 02:22)
  • Josh shares about his own weight loss and potential for surgery: “Book me for a sleeve in a year full of ro company I’m in.” (Josh, 03:27)
  • They discuss the phenomenon of “dad weight” and plastic surgery fascination (“I love going under the knife. It’s Wonderful.” —Ben, 03:31).

Plastic Surgery, Insecurities, and Social Standards

• (04:00–13:27)
  • Josh and Ben talk about facial and body aging, specifically necks and skin, referencing Nora Ephron’s “I Hate My Neck.”
  • Ben describes how obesity shows in the neck and face, and how, post-weight loss, his favorite feature is now his jawline.
  • Self-deprecating humor: “Just because you don’t chiseled out of mashed potatoes. What’s the base?” (Josh, 05:09)
  • They celebrate their improved self-images but remain candid about ongoing insecurities and the appeal of surgical fixes.

The Social Meaning of Surgery & Scars

• (09:04–14:55)
  • Josh shares transparently about chest surgery to remove excess skin: “...it’s been the one thing because as you know, I’ve worked so hard in the gym... but I have looked at myself at 39 and gone shit.” (Josh, 09:35)
  • The complexity of wanting surgery for self-image but balancing family and recovery time is discussed.
  • Ben affirms: “Anybody that wants to get elective surgery to make themselves feel better, they should do it.” (Ben, 11:47)
  • They riff on possible tattoos to hide surgical scars, with elaborate, comedic brainstorming about hooks, anchors, fishing scenes, and pop culture references.

Gender, Attraction, and What Women Want

• (15:10–28:48)
  • The conversation shifts to how men and women perceive physical traits, with a focus on whether women really value muscles and body fitness as men do.
  • “I don’t have a lust for any of my friends’ wives... but I would be very curious and would want. ...Yeah, let me see.” (Josh, 19:24)
  • Ben theorizes: “Women probably want to see women naked more than men... and men naked, I think we want to see men naked less than women want to see women naked.” (Ben, 20:29)
  • They agree women factor in context—character, work ethic, and resource-providing capability—much more than just looks alone.
  • “I think girls need more context,” says Ben (21:55); Josh expands, “Women want a man who’s in shape and that being in shape is a byproduct of something they are doing in service of the relationship...” (23:12)
  • They reflect on their own experiences and relationships, noting that men typically don’t consider a woman’s earning power in the same way.

Hotel Buffet Grifting & Wild TikTok Trends

• (33:37–36:45)
  • An article about non-guests sneaking into hotel buffets sparks a tangent about hospitality, security, and the ethics (and appeal) of buffet thievery.
  • Wild biology trends: Josh brings up a viral TikTok calling coconut oil a “natural” lubricant. They discuss health risks and the prevalence of such trends in frank, comedic terms.

Pizza Toppings and Masculinity

• (37:19–40:43)
  • The hosts riff on social media trends about “meat” as a red flag on pizza. Ben: “I think women are meat lovers. Maybe they...I’ve never heard of it as like you eat too much meat.”
  • Josh’s culinary boundaries: “I think that barbecue chicken pizza—that ain’t pizza.” (38:45)

Audience Mail: STI Disclosures in Dating

• (41:04–45:44)
  • Listener writes in, asking how to disclose an STD to a new partner.
  • The hosts agree: disclosure before intimacy is a must, and honesty is the best approach.
  • Ben: “If you have an STD, you have to tell people,” (41:49) and “The way to do it is exactly how she emailed us...You just put the ball in their court.” (43:09)
  • Josh shares a personal anecdote on the ethics of “knowing” and consent.

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Memorable Quotes

• Ben: “God’s definitely fat.” (00:17)
• Josh: “Book me for a sleeve in a year full of ro company I’m in.” (03:27)
• Josh on aging and surgery: “…I have looked at myself at 39 and gone, shit… It bums me out on a pretty regular basis.” (09:35)
• Ben: “Anybody that wants to get elective surgery to make themselves feel better, they should do it.” (11:47)
• Josh: “If my wife didn’t care and they didn’t care, I would 100% be like, yeah, let me see.” (19:24)
• Ben: “I think women probably want to see women naked more than men… and men naked, I think we want to see men naked less than women want to see women naked.” (20:29)
• Josh: “I think guys are in shape for each other.” (21:00)
• Ben: “In general, I think that men just don’t evaluate full packages…they are just so unbelievably shallow.” (24:41)
• Josh: “People, especially women, look for an ability in which to procure resource.” (25:59)
• Ben (on STDs): “If you have an STD, I think you have to tell people that you’re gonna [sleep with].” (41:49)

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Notable Sections & Timestamps

• Opening: Is God Fat? (00:03–01:31)
• Body Image & Weight Loss Journeys: (01:31–06:13)
• Plastic Surgery, Scars, and Self-Image: (09:04–14:55)
• Attraction, Gender Norms & Social Context: (15:10–28:48)
• Strange News Bits (Buffet Grifting, TikTok Lube Advice): (33:37–36:45)
• Pizza Topping Masculinity: (37:19–40:43)
• Audience Q&A: STI Disclosure: (41:04–45:44)
• What Are You Nuts? (Pet Peeves): (45:47–50:57)
  • Ben’s gripe: ultra-revealing athletic wear in public (with parents, no less).
  • Josh’s gripe: People filming at the gym and feeling entitled to clear shots.

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Tone & Style

The episode flows with Good Guys’ signature blend—self-deprecating honesty, open confession, raucous humor, and surprising depth. Josh and Ben alternate between playful banter and reflective sincerity, underscoring that even as they mock their own bodies, neuroses, and social conventions, they’re always working toward a more honest, accepting relationship with themselves and others.

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Summary Takeaway

What starts as a joke about a “fat God” becomes a real exploration of why we strive for certain bodies, how much of our image is dictated by culture and gender, and when (and how) it’s okay to seek external fixes for internal discomfort. That, wrapped in pizza metaphors, buffet heists, and debates about the ethics of nakedness and TikTok, is classic Good Guys: laughter and introspection in equal measure.

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Transcript

[Josh]

Mazda Morons. Welcome back to the Good Guys podcast.

[Ben]

Josh, you go to heaven, you get the pleasure of meeting the big man upstairs. What do you want him to say to you?

[Josh]

God.

[Ben]

God. Not. Well, yeah. What, what other big man is there? Imagine there's just like a 600 pound man in the sky. That's the big man. He's morbidly obese and he's just like. He might be right. God's definitely fat.

[Josh]

That's great. That's like, that's like chicken soup for the soul, right?

[Ben]

God's Fat. I think so.

[Josh]

Isn't that a Judy Bloom book? God, where are you?

[Ben]

I, I haven't seen that Judy Bloom book, God's Fat. But like I want to write that. That's a great children's book.

[Josh]

There's a band called God Smack and I think it'd be funnier if it was called God's Fat God.

[Ben]

God's Fat. By the way, that's our band. God's Fat is a sick name for a band.

[Josh]

Did you take a Zyrtec this morning?

[Ben]

No, I'm. By the way, I'm clear as a whistle. Ok. I just can't follow a script. I just, I'm just too improvy, you know.

[Josh]

Two Jews, both big and tall, no subject too small. For the good Guys, a mother Stream premium podcast team. Make it your weekly routine. It's a Good Guys. And if you don't give us five stars. What are you nuts?

[Ben]

What are you nuts? Yeah, we're the good guys.

[Josh]

They're not the great guys. We're just.

[Ben]

No, I'm feeling great. I'm feeling great. I'm feeling firing. I'm ready. But yeah, Josh, I don't know. Why did he give us. Why did God choose to give us the things that he chose to give us? It's very interesting, it's very interesting question. If you think God is all knowing, all powerful, then yeah, the little, the little quirks we got to deal with, including compulsive eating for both of us. Why God? Why?

[Josh]

It's really on the, the totem pole, if I can say that. On the totem pole of, of, of ailments, it's really. The version we have is pretty mid.

[Ben]

Definitely, definitely. By comparison for sure.

[Josh]

Right?

[Ben]

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean actually without Ozempic, I do wonder in my older years how big I would have gotten.

[Josh]

I wonder.

[Ben]

I'm just saying I was £290 and I think I've sent you this picture before. My dad loves to say that when my mom got pregnant. My dad got pregnant, too. My dad gained like a hundred pounds while my mom was pregnant. And if I'm just like sitting in the house, rubbing my wife's feet, eating pints of Haagen Dazs, I'm ballooning. Like, maybe I become 350, I don't know. And then once you're 350, four becomes fun. Right. And then all of a sudden you're £600. You need Dr. Nazardin. And I don't know. I think OIC changed my life.

[Josh]

Well, I think you would have gotten gastric bypass.

[Ben]

That's fair. That's fair. Definitely Very, very pro going under the knife. I might still. Why not? Yeah.

[Josh]

Book me for a sleeve in a year full of ro company I'm in.

[Ben]

I'm in. Why not? It's fantastic. I love going under the knife. It's Wonderful. I follow Dr. Diamond on Instagram, Josh, since we've had him on the show.

[Josh]

Wonderful. Jason Diamond.

[Ben]

He showed a before and after of this woman's neck was like, holy shit, that is a gorgeous. You took. She was beautiful before mid-60s woman, but you took. She looks 40. This Dr. Diamond, this knife work. He's like a Japanese man in a sushi restaurant. It's fantastic.

[Josh]

Yeah. And the sushi is milfs I. Nora Ephron, the great genius writer, director behind movies like Sleepless in Seattle and you've Got Mail and Private Benjamin. She had a whole. I think it was an essay, maybe a book called I hate my neck. And it was just. It was just all about. It is. The neck is such a telltale of age, isn't is?

[Ben]

Yeah. It's also a telltale of obesity. Like, if you're really fat, it comes into your neck like. And that's where. And it comes into your face like, that's when you remember when I had that photo that I always say I looked like Rosie o'. Donnell. Like, big rosy cheeks, big, big neck. Not the current Rosie the Rosy pre. Oic Rosie. That was Rosie and Josh. It came straight into my neck. And now the best part of me, the thing I'm most proud of, is my chiseled jaw. You also have a chiseled jaw, Josh.

[Josh]

I would call us chiseled, Ben.

[Ben]

I. I think we're chiseled, Josh.

[Josh]

Just because you don't chiseled out of mashed potatoes. What's the base? I think,

[Ben]

I think, I think this is pretty chiseled. I'm not going to lie. Maybe I have shallow Hal syndrome. You do chiseled. I think we're chiseled, dude. I think we're chiseled. And God's fat. I think we're chiseled. And God's fat. Are you noticing that I'm wearing different sneakers? Have you noticed this New Balance of the shit. Oh, my God. Shout out dsw. They sent me this pair of New Balances. This is the most comfortable shoe I've ever worn in my entire life. I feel like I'm walking on a cloud. And while my Air Force ones are just like a part of my personality, and I love them, they are so structurally uncomfortable. These are a dream, these New Balances. They're like foam. They feel like the tongue is made of foam.

[Josh]

New Balance has. I don't know who their designer is, but they have had such a renaissance over the last five years to go from dad shoe to absolute hypebeast. And the only thing they're doing wrong is their social influencing reach out because haven't heard from you. But yeah, and you're totally. And that Hoka girl. Boy, did she leave me on red, this girl.

[Ben]

In her defense, I think you left her on red for a week and then it was it. That was gone. She's gone.

[Josh]

She followed up. I followed up with her. Nothing.

[Ben]

She's gone. Sorry. So Hook is dead, by the way. The fact that DSW had to be the one to send me these New Balances means that, yeah, New Balance isn't doing it right. New Balance. Send Josh a pair of shoes. Send them to him. I have them. I don't need this.

[Josh]

Yes, you need a couple 990s. Okay.

[Ben]

Okay.

[Josh]

You know, they do these numbers, 993, 990. You know, how do I know?

[Ben]

How do I know? How do I know what kind of shoe this is? Is there a. This is.

[Josh]

It's a gum bottom. So it's probably a tennis shoe or

[Ben]

like the court line.

[Josh]

That's right. It's a tennis shoe.

[Ben]

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[Josh]

When you talked about the plastic surgery on the neck, and I know I've talked about this before, but I'm being serious and, and I really have zero regrets except this. When I was 21, I had some surgery because I had extra skin around my midsection and chest from losing 100 pounds with no Ozempic. Okay, no che.

[Ben]

We're. We're very proud of you. We're very proud of you.

[Josh]

I do.

[Ben]

Very proud.

[Josh]

I do it now, but not then.

[Ben]

We're very proud of you.

[Josh]

And they basically, what was sort of relayed to me from two different doctors because I had a bit of a revision a year later was like, look, the chest of it all is a tough one because to really do it in a nuanced way and to hide the scar, you're never going to get full flat chest. But if you do want full flat chest, the scars are pretty invasive. They look like hooks, basically. So they go down from your nipple. It looks like you got a breast lift. You know, you're in your 40s, you got a breast lift, and your husband just got a promotion, you know, and they basically said, if you're really sort of gauging one or the other, people tend to say, I'd rather have it a little less flat and no scar than flat and these pretty aggressive scars. So I did that. And it's been the one thing because as you know, I've worked so hard in the gym and I feel really proud of where I'm at. But I have looked at myself at 39 and gone shit. And the great Terry Dubrow said, I bet you you'll do it because just naturally, as even the best bodies fall as you age. He's like, what wasn't was only slightly annoying. In your 20s will become more annoying just because that's how skin in your body works. So here I am now. It was funny. My wife was like, you're going to be 40 in November. What should we do? Part of me wanted to say, can I just get plastic surgery and you give me a week to recover? Like, I kind of like, I'd rather have that than a party. But I also then go because I don't want to give up being able to lift the bait. You know, my kids are at prime lifting up. The reason I haven't done it for the last seven years, since Max was born is because I, I wrestle, I move with my kids and basically, if we're being honest, for three to six months, you really shouldn't lift anything heavy from the chest area if you want everything to heal nicely. So I'm a little, I know this is a little self centered, a little me, me, me, but what do you think? I don't know what to do. I, I feel like I deserve it and it bums me out on, on a pretty regular basis.

[Ben]

So then you should do it. Like anybody that wants to get elective surgery to make themselves feel better, they should do it. That said, how often over 40 are you without your shirt?

[Josh]

Well, here's the thing. Never, right? Because I never want to go.

[Ben]

I mean, if you, but if you, but if you, like, if you weren't like that, like let's say you were comfortable without your shirt, how often are you in a position to take off your shirt?

[Josh]

But I also am an actor and so there are many times where there will be a love scene, there will be a change clothing scene. Like my job actually requires me to take my shirt off at times and most of the time I have to have a talk with the director. I just did that for the beautiful, amazing OGX Paige and I did that commercial and I needed to be shirtless for kind of the storyline of the commercial. And God bless the OGX team who were like, don't worry, we'll make you look great, blah, blah, blah. But I definitely was insecure about it.

[Ben]

For me, the only comparative point that I have is, you know, I had that neck into skull surgery. I have a gnarly scar on the back of my head, and for a while, I made sure that my haircuts were borderline moldy, so it would totally cover it. And now I don't. I just wear it out. I really just don't care. It's sort of the same sick. You should. Not the same. It's not the same thing, but it's also, like, stretch marks. Like, when I was at my biggest. Like, I had monster stretch marks on the sides of my hips. I just, like, didn't. I don't know. I just, like, I. If you. If you care, if it means something to you, then you should 100% get it done.

[Josh]

I just need to figure out a response for once. I have anchor scars on my chest for when people go, congratulations. When was your female to male surgery?

[Ben]

No one will say that to you, but you. You may be bullying your. You can say that and I'm going to rock it. Nobody will ever say that to you.

[Josh]

They're going to see the scar and they're going to be like, the voice, the scar, and the attraction to men. It all drags.

[Ben]

They will not ever bring it up. But it also could be an opportunity for you to get some sicko tattoos.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. What tattoo should I get other than the Star of David and Hotikva in English?

[Ben]

I mean, if they're. If. I mean, if they're hooks, Josh, you could, like, take the. Those like Moana. You could just be a Moana super fan and take his Maui's big hook. You just do two big hooks. Or you could become a die hard fisherman. You could do two big fishing hooks. You turn it into bait. You turn into bait.

[Josh]

You're going to turn.

[Ben]

Okay, turn into an anchor. An anchor. Two anchors. I'm just saying.

[Josh]

Maybe Scorpion from Mortal Kombat. You know how he shoots the cable out of his hand. Get over here and.

[Ben]

But it's just.

[Josh]

It's scorpion here. And then the cable is my massive hook scar.

[Ben]

Or you could have somebody. You could have two fishermen up on your breasts that are fishing with the hooks below.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ben]

You see their. Their line, their liner go around your breasts and hit the hook at the bottom and then towards your belly. You have just like a blue ocean and you have a couple of fish, and all of a sudden, your chest has become a fisherman's dream.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Ben]

From the boat at the neck. Boat and fisherman hook, ocean fish. And it goes all the way down, Josh. It keeps going down in your Body. Oh, my God.

[Josh]

Yeah. You get to my kneecaps and it's the core of the earth.

[Ben]

It's just black.

[Josh]

It's molten. I just can't believe that my poor father in law, that my wife is gonna have to tell him when he goes, oh, what are we doing? For Josh's 40th birth, she'll have to say a double mastectomy. Shit. I'm sorry, Ken. I'm sorry, Will. Your other son in law is the man you got all man with, Will. And you got a funny, duddy, performing arts freak with me.

[Ben]

I'm very excited for you to do it. I think based on this conversation, it's an absolute must. And because you'll never know. You'll never know if you'll feel better with it when it's done. I hope you do. I think you will.

[Josh]

I know.

[Ben]

I think you will. I think you will.

[Josh]

Some.

[Ben]

Like, sometimes you build it up in your head, like, if I only had this. And then you get it, and it's like, did I really need it? But you won't know until you do it, so I would definitely do it. Speaking of doing something like that, I was with a guy yesterday who said, a new friend, he said that his wife is getting her breasts done. And then the other and the other.

[Josh]

The same breath is my thing.

[Ben]

Well, it's the same. That would be really funny. You should get implants maybe.

[Josh]

No, Paige and I go together. She gets her, you know, she gets her little mommy makeover, and I get my daddy makeover, by the way.

[Ben]

Wonderful. I'm in for a daddy makeover. To my right breast is always bigger than my left. Maybe they could just suck a little of the fat out. But he, yes, his wife wants a mommy makeover, as you said. And then the other guy that I was with said, yeah, there's this. This girl that I know that did a full reveal for all of our friends. And I was like, wow, what a. What a friend that is. She got her breasts done and showed it to a group of 15 guys and 15 girls like it was a gender reveal.

[Josh]

Wow.

[Ben]

Have you ever made anything top topless?

[Josh]

Huh?

[Ben]

What a. We're in the wrong group of friends. It's crazy. Isn't that crazy?

[Josh]

Well, I told you I had a dear friend whose wife was under the knife getting a full mommy makeover, and he pretty proudly told me he's like, go to the plastic surgeon's Instagram story right now. And it was his wife, obviously her face obscured, and he had permission to put it on his social. But it was her from the neck down. I saw everything and befores and afters.

[Ben]

Yeah, I mean, these are. This is a unique breed of guy, I guess. I don't know. I. I'm like, what. What is the purpose of him showing that to you? The same way that I would say, like, what is the purpose of her showing it to the husbands and wives? I get it. Like, showing it to your friends. For sure, you're proud of it. Like, Like. But I don't know, it's just, like, such a strange thing. Like, are you trying to, like, turn on your friend's husbands? Like, what's the point? Are you or is your friend trying to, like, get you to say that his wife's tits look fucking awesome? Like, does he get off on that comment? What. El.

[Josh]

What else.

[Ben]

What is the other. What's the reason?

[Josh]

I'm. Super intro. I. I would say this, and I think I'm being honest. I don't have a lust for any of my friends.

[Ben]

Wife.

[Josh]

Wives. I don't. Like, I'm really not interested. And I. I have some friends where I can esthetically go, like, wow, you know, she's a beautiful person. Like, they're a beautiful couple. And, boy, look at him. No.

[Ben]

And why is he so ugly? That's. That's. That's definitely something that always crosses my mind. That's like, holy crap, you're with him. Very judgy of me, but that goes through my brain immediately.

[Josh]

I get it. I. No, I. I do understand that. But I. I don't lust for any friends. Wives. And yet I would be very curious and would want. If my wife didn't care and they didn't care, I would 100% be like, yeah, let me see.

[Ben]

Like, obviously. But that's human nature.

[Josh]

I would want to.

[Ben]

Like, you would want to know just like I would. I want to see everybody in the world naked. It's not lust. It's just. It's just being human. Like, you. You walk down the street, you're curious about everyone. Everyone that you see.

[Josh]

Right?

[Ben]

It's not a. And. And sometimes I'll catch myself. I'm like, ben, are you sick? You want to see this bus driver naked? And it's like, I'm just curious. Like, it's not anything more than that. So, yeah, if it was up to me, I would see everybody naked. That said, if it was up to her, she's the one who's. And her husband is the one who's advertising it to you. Yeah, that's that's very different. That's very different. I agree with you that it's a normal thing for you to be curious as to what somebody looks like naked without having lustful feelings. That's just a curious. It's just a curiosity that I think everyone has. Men and women, I think women probably more than men. Women probably want to see women naked more than men or as much as men and men naked. I think we want to see men naked less than women want to see women naked.

[Josh]

But men are gay in the most aesthetic way. Right? Like men, muscles are for men. I. I think, I think there.

[Ben]

I agree with that.

[Josh]

There's a small contingency of women who have a muscle guy fetish. Right. Where it's like, you wouldn't say a small contingency of. Men love breasts and butts. Right. You would assume that's the majority. Right. It's like, it's. It's an erogenous zone for. Well, for women it's neurot. But like, it's just something that primordially, like, men look at. But I don't think that muscular men, like a ripped dude, is something that women look at in the. In the vast majority and go like, oh, yeah, you know? So I think guys are in shape for each other because all I get all day at Equinox is guys being like, oh, dude, looking good, bro. Or like.

[Ben]

And I say it totally. No, it's interesting. I wonder if. Is there any body type? I think that. I think that women in general can acknowledge a fit guy.

[Josh]

Sure.

[Ben]

When he's. When he's naked, for sure. Like, they'd say, oh, wow, he's in great shape. I agree that maybe it's not their cup of tea, but they can say that. I wonder if there's like. I wonder what the body type is, if there is one at all that a girl would be excited to see without context. Like, I think for a girl, it's so much more who he is, what he does, what's his character like that forms a sexiness to a guy. Does that make sense? Versus guys are. Are different in that nature. I think that if a guy sees a girl naked, he can just appreciate that she's hot. Right. Versus, I don't know if the same is. Is true in the other direction. I think girls need more context.

[Josh]

Yeah. I think my theory is. And we need to have a woman here. I want to have the great.

[Ben]

Why, no thanks.

[Josh]

We're gonna have the great Thomas here who's going to be like, we had the great kid David here, who was our single dude friend who was sort of telling us the landscape of dating

[Ben]

out there in the world.

[Josh]

And the wonderful Amanda Thomas, dear family friend of the o' Brien Pecks. She has to come in. She's done a bunch of dear media pods before and she's hysterical and so fun and I think would have good insight. But my theory is women want a man who's in shape and that being in shape is a byproduct of something they are doing in service of the relationship as so if they're in good shape from chopping wood and collecting meat, great, right? Like, sure, yeah. That serviced our needs. And you're in if, if he's in good shape from surfing, from, you know, being, you know, having a landscaping job, like something that's a little bit more, you know, construction, a blue collar, tough, you know, salt of the earth job. I think that's like the highest, right? Because they're good. Their good physique is a byproduct of hard work. Instead of being in perfect shape because they were self focused for 90 minutes, that's going to take the attention off of them. I think that's my theory, of course.

[Ben]

And then you also layer in everything else. Like is he funny, is he rich, is he like. All of these things play into attractiveness for men. I don't think the same applies to women. But I think that if you were to look at a ripped guy and tell two different stories exactly as you just said, in one scenario he is, uh, he surfs on the side, uh, it's his hobby. But he runs a great business, is a really nice guy, has never cheated and wants to start a big beautiful family. And then you show the exact same guy and he's ripped because he has his Crunch membership and is like, you know what I mean? It's just, it's just different. But that's, that is, and I'm definitely not stereotyping that that's women in a nutshell for sure. It's a, it's a full package as it should be. I think we're too vain. It should be more of a full package for us as a, as a sex in general. I don't think that men in general, I'm not talking about us, I think we're a little bit different, but not that different. Like in general, I think that men just don't evaluate full packages. I think they evaluate full packages later in life. I think once they're married, they appreciate full packages. I think that when they're looking for suitors. And I see this with my single friends now. They are just so unbelievably shallow. And it's like you have to look at more than what you're seeing on Instagram or in a dating app. It is just not going to serve you for more than one fucking minute, you idiot. But that's guys.

[Josh]

Yeah, well, I think that people, and especially women, look for an ability in which to procure resource. Right? And that's having a good job and having the byproduct of that be good benefits and a good income. Like, I think that's really important. And I don't know if that's always as important to men. And you're right. I think other things. I don't know how you are. Like the first time you dated Claudia and every sort of milestone that you hit on your way to getting married. Did you ever consider or think about, is she going to be able to provide for us?

[Ben]

No, we were too young. But that's the, that's the difference. I'm saying I wouldn't anyways.

[Josh]

But you got married. You got. So you were ready to commit for a lifetime. So it must. And if it didn't cross your mind, I think that's telling.

[Ben]

Yeah. No, I mean, again, we met at 2018. 2018. And I mentioned that because like we met. We met when nothing mattered but

[Josh]

school

[Ben]

and having fun and like nothing. Nothing was so serious and. But. But then. Yeah. No, I mean, you. When you love someone and you have that real connection like that. No, you want to do everything in your power for them. Like it's not. Is that what you're asking?

[Josh]

No, what I'm saying is like, I don't think you got married.

[Ben]

Right.

[Josh]

You took it all the way. And so I think if you felt like Claudia would never be able to contribute financially, that all of her wonderful qualities would be worth committing to and you would accept that, right? Yeah, but I don't think. I don't think the same. It goes in reverse.

[Ben]

No way. But that's. That's exactly what I'm right.

[Josh]

I'm just exactly what I was strengthening. Your point. You're.

[Ben]

You're right. 100%. No girls immediately. I mean, there's a rare girl.

[Josh]

Like not every girl, but I would say a majority.

[Ben]

There's a rare. There's a rare breed of girls that isn't that way. But honestly, the smart ones are that way. Your husband should provide for you. He shouldn't be a jerk off like he.

[Josh]

Unless.

[Ben]

Unless you're very comfortable with a certain life. Like, I'm not saying that he has to make a million dollars a year. He does have to have. He should have work ethic. Like, and that work ethic can be shown in anything. It doesn't matter what the job is. But if you're like, I don't think a woman should intentionally marry someone lazy. Right. Like, I think it's not it.

[Josh]

Agreed. But I don't think that's always synonymous. And that's the thing. Right. Like, I know a lot of strong, badass women where if the husband match them in their level of intensity and work, it wouldn't work.

[Ben]

Right. Of course.

[Josh]

And so if my. And sometimes it can be a little bit of a point of friction between Paige and I, understandably, is that unfortunately my schedule as it pertains to work takes precedence. Right. Like, there's a world in which I could just leave in two weeks from now because I get a job and we sort of rally the troops. And she knows that and I have to be respectful and conscientious of her. But I think if both of those things were at play, where her work could take her away in two weeks for a month, two months, three months, it would really be too challenging.

[Ben]

Yeah. No, I mean, that's why what you do works. But it also, it, it would be too challenging because you're great parents who care about your children. Like, again, there are plenty of couples who have two very, very active parents who are very, very comfortable taking their means, putting it towards full time help and not caring about if parents are in the picture or not. Which is sad. But it's, it's the dynamic. It's the full picture. It's the full picture.

[Josh]

Do you think we'll get desensitized the right. Like, to an extent. As far as physicality, physical norms have gone. Right. Like, I think if someone where's, you know, something with. I'm not going to ask this. I'll ask it another time.

[Ben]

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[Josh]

Should we get to some weird news?

[Ben]

Yeah. By the way, for what it's worth, that was a wonderful, deep conversation. And weird news is great, but we should do more of that. That was. We'll see if anybody likes it.

[Josh]

You're very nervous. You get nervous about when we talk deeply. I think the people love it.

[Ben]

Then great.

[Josh]

Well, it sounds like we got caught, Ben, because hotel buffet crashers caught on camera loading up plates, walking out without pain. We're sorry, Mar.

[Ben]

I'm so sorry. That's so funny.

[Josh]

Accompanied breakfast buffet may be a favorite perk in many hotel chains nationwide. But these days, not everyone in the buffet line a paying guest. Viral videos making the round show buffet crashers strolling into hotel dining rooms, piling up plates with food and heading on out, no payment in sight. The buffet configurations can make it difficult for hotels to monitor who belongs in the breakfast area, says a Connecticut based hospitality expert. Because most complimentary breakfasts are in smaller limited service properties, they usually don't have the personal resources to aggressively police or where breakfast patrons are truly guests of the hotel.

[Ben]

So people are coming in off the street and using the Hampton Inn buffet. Correct.

[Josh]

I think it happens in New York a lot in the city.

[Ben]

Yeah. So I mean, you don't have. There's a desk attendant, like, I think that you should be making sure that I guess actually you can just. A hotel. I've never even thought about that. Even the nicest hotel. You can just walk into a hotel, there's nobody asking you, do you have a room? What are you up to? Why are you here? Fascinating. We should be stealing from buffets more often. I've never thought of it. There's nothing they can do about it. There's nothing they can do. And if you happen to need a meal and you're listening to this podcast, this is a wonderful tip.

[Josh]

Well, did you know that this TikTok trend that can wreck your vagina and weaken condoms can happen within minutes. Are you compromising your undercarriage? TikTok influencers are Raving about what they say is an ideal natural lubricant. But experts warn that can it can actually wreak havoc on your microbiome. And if you're trying to avoid pregnancy and STDs, beware. It can make condoms less effective too. Coconut oil has long been lauded for its full body benefits, from a healthy alternative to butter to a helpful cure for hangovers. But the pros say coconut in the cooch is a no go, folks.

[Ben]

That makes sense. Who's putting coconut oil in their cooch?

[Josh]

I think it's very popular.

[Ben]

Really?

[Josh]

I think for a natural lubricant.

[Ben]

Got it. Okay. Wow, wow, wow. Okay.

[Josh]

Whoa. I'm so glad I'm married.

[Ben]

Holy smokes. If you're hearing this. Be careful out there, man. Be careful.

[Josh]

It's so bad for your cholesterol too.

[Ben]

Not good. There are plenty of natural. Don't these companies, they make like nice lubricants that aren't like your. Your crazy stuff. They make natural lubricants.

[Josh]

I don't want to judge, but I also sometimes go, why? Why you need all that?

[Ben]

Sure. No. Yeah. I mean, maybe that's a whole. That's a whole nother story. Why do you need all that Is a whole nother story that she's certainly asking her husband. I'm not judging.

[Josh]

I'm not judging. Let have fun, enjoy yourself. I know a story of a man who used to travel with one and that's just a funny thing to have at the club.

[Ben]

Yeah, that is strange. That is strange.

[Josh]

And he knows who he is. And I know, I know. And you're a dirty dog. Well, women view beloved pizza topping as a major red flag in men. It's selfish meatheads. Listen up. As if dating in this tech obsessed era wasn't difficult enough, women on social media have decided that those who favor meat as a pizza topping are walking red flags. I personally think that if you can't reduce your meat intake, then you're selfish. What do you mean? You can't just have a veggie burger once in a while? Do you not just give an F? Women hate meat lovers. Apparently.

[Ben]

I don't know who they spoke to. Like I guess some do, but like to generalize that women hate meat lovers. I think women are meat lovers. Maybe they. Maybe they only as vegans, I think. I don't know. That's interesting. I guess I've never heard of it as like you eat too much meat. Have you heard that before?

[Josh]

I do.

[Ben]

They ask.

[Josh]

I think a meat lover's pizza Is aggressively male.

[Ben]

I agree. I agree. Meat lovers pizza.

[Josh]

First of all, it's too heavy for the slice.

[Ben]

I agree. No, that's fork and knife. That's fork. That's fork and knife pizza territory. Sorry. Dividing it. Meat lovers pizza. A complete. What are you nuts? What are you trying to prove?

[Josh]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna do one up. Ya. I think that barbecue chicken pizza. That ain't pizza.

[Ben]

I agree with you. It's not pizza. We need a different name for it. We need a different name. What's pizza? Cheese, cheese, sauce. It's funny. Is a vegetable slice even really pizza?

[Josh]

Yes.

[Ben]

You think so? Like the classic. Like. I'm not talking your. I think a ricotta spinach, that's pizza. You think that slice. That's just like onions and peppers on pizza is pizza.

[Josh]

Bell peppers, onions, black olives is acceptable. That's like a classic slice. I think a white slice. To your point. I don't know about this spinach. A white slice is a classic New York pizza slice. It's in the window. And a pepperoni and a sausage. I think that's it. And a mushroom.

[Ben]

What about a pasta slice?

[Josh]

What about a pasta slice? No.

[Ben]

And that's in every. I'm just saying that's probably in every single New York pizza place. Is that one pasta slice. What about an eggplant slice?

[Josh]

No, but that wasn't in the window when we were kids.

[Ben]

Now it's in there. People love a. Love a pasta slice. It's not in like the primo joints. It's definitely in a raise. Raise has that penny slice. I agree with you. It's too much. It's very heavy. Very heavy. Yeah. The white slice, the margarita people love. Now a fresh mozzarella and a non fresh mozzarella. They love having that. I don't know why they're advertising that they have both fresh and not fresh. Just pick one. Just pick one. A fresh. A regular cheese slice, a white slice, a mushroom, a vegetable, a sausage, a pepperoni. I agree with you. Those are the slices. I don't think anything else qualifies. Certainly not meat lovers.

[Josh]

I wonder if you started trying to go to a nickname. Like you want a white slice, but you go give me one of Adolf's favorites, and then I'll have stupid

[Ben]

instead of sauce. It's just Jew blood. All right, Josh, should we do one more on mail?

[Josh]

Sure.

[Ben]

Okay. So look, it's been wonderful. No speak pipes. Good. Guys, podcast [e-mail]. keep writing, Keep writing. Keep writing. Yep. Oh, folks, this is a big one. All right. Barn burn. Are you ready for this? I'm dating someone who I really like. We haven't been intimate yet, but I don't know how to tell him that I have an std. It's totally under control and really doesn't put him at risk in any way. I barely even remember that I have it, but I want to do the right thing. What's the best way to tell him that? Not so good news. Oh, I think I. I. Again, not to be judgmental. If you have an std, you missed the boat, and you should have told

[Josh]

him immediately before they were intimate on the first date.

[Ben]

I think if you have an std, I think you have to tell people that you're. You're gonna. Yeah. Yeah. It's like being sick, Josh. It's just like, if you have a cold. I think I would. I would think it would be courteous before you make out somebody to tell them that you have a cold, but they weren't intimate, but they're going to be.

[Josh]

You don't know. Takes a couple dates, I think.

[Ben]

No. Okay. Is it something that I lead with on the first date before I ever think that I'm going to kiss the person? No, I definitely do it before I'm going to kiss them, though.

[Josh]

Absolutely. Tell them. We're just debating on when and obviously, and. And for me, when is when you want to break up? No, I'm kidding.

[Ben]

When? When. When is when they confront you. Yeah.

[Josh]

When is when your doctor leaves a voicemail.

[Ben]

Damn it, Doc.

[Josh]

I told you to just do it over email. I think it's. Look, the way to do it is exactly how she emailed us, right? You just say that straight up, like, hey, I don't even know that I have it. Most of the time. It's totally regulated, and I take medicine for it. And I want to be honest and upfront with you because it's important that I communicate this to you and that, you know, before anything physical happens between us and you just put the ball in their court.

[Ben]

Yeah, that's the. That's the only right thing to do. Got to tell them. Got to tell him.

[Josh]

Okay, I have a scenario for you.

[Ben]

Good.

[Josh]

Okay. You ready?

[Ben]

I'm nervous.

[Josh]

This happened to me.

[Ben]

Okay.

[Josh]

I was, like, in my early 20s, and I've always been one to. I'm. I've always practiced extremely safe canoodling. Thank God. Baruch Hashem. Always taking it on myself to protect myself.

[Ben]

Always.

[Josh]

And there was a girl who was sort of like, you know, had Dated a friend of ours. And. And our friend group was friends with her friend group and blah, blah, blah. Anyway, it came to our attention that she had something and. But she really liked me. And while we never did a thing, let me reiterate, we never ever did. We never even kissed.

[Ben]

Nothing.

[Josh]

But I was talking about it with my buddies because I was like, listen, I always practice safe canoodling, but I don't always say to the person before we're going to hook up, hey, do you have anything?

[Ben]

Right?

[Josh]

I just.

[Ben]

Of course, of course.

[Josh]

Okay. Of course. So I ask you, sir, I was like, so can I just do it? Because I'm practicing. Because I'm in the same position, right? What? I'm not asking. So I really don't know whether they do or don't. I'm just protecting myself regardless. So I'm like, the only difference here is I know. And my friend looked at me, said, yeah, dude, you know, he's like, so you can't.

[Ben]

And I was like, you're right, you shouldn't. But, yeah, no, it's. Look, we're talking about. There's. There's so many different levels to this. If it's something like a sexually transmitted. Like a true sexually transmitted disease, we're not talking like a herpes or anything in the mouth or whatever. Yeah, then you should. You should. You can protect yourself from it. I think it's on the person to just. If she has something she's got to tell you or you have something you got to tell her. And I think it's just. It's definitely not on the person who doesn't have it to ask if you have it, then you're a nerd.

[Josh]

But people do that all the time. They. They'll say, like, are you. Have you been tested? Yeah, That's a common question, I think.

[Ben]

Interesting. Well, the people who have it should be a little bit more forthcoming. Yeah, in my opinion, they should be a little bit more forthcoming.

[Josh]

Oh, man. Should we get to. What are you nuts?

[Ben]

Our what are you nuts? Moment of the week is our gripes with people, places and things, both big and tall. Whatever's sticking in your craw, Josh. I'll go first.

[Josh]

Great.

[Ben]

We are in a very interesting time in American Couture, where biker shorts have really become a thing. Josh. I'm sure you see it on the East Coast. You sure you see it on the West Coast? Certainly on the East Coast. And I just think these shorts are getting hiked up higher and higher and higher, and they're getting thinner and thinner. And thinner. I was at Starbucks this morning. Family friendly joint. There's this girl there, like, wearing a set. Belly button pierced. The thinnest, most hiked up biker shorts, full blown Josh, wild camel toe. I'm not looking. It's just there. Wild camel toe. She's there with her mother. Her mother's there with her, next to her. And like, what do you. What are you nuts? Like, she, like. It's. It's. It's fully. It's just the craziest. It's the craziest thing. Maybe the moment is fine with it. It's. It. It's like, literally, like her vagina is right there. Like, we've just. I don't know. I think it's a fad. Maybe I get, like, doing with your friends. If you want to. With your mother. Your mother's there. I just. It was. What are you nuts?

[Josh]

That's crazy. And now the shorts, have you seen they're constructed in which to give you a visible wedgie. Yeah.

[Ben]

Yes. That's what this was. Full wedgie, full camel camel toe, super hiked and so thin. You. You literally. You could see everything. And she's there with her. Her mom, like, very, like.

[Josh]

It must be so freeing.

[Ben]

You must feel so free, so freeing with your friends. So nuts with your mom. Sorry, you got one free with the ripe barista.

[Josh]

My Woody Nuts moment of the week is I'm seeing this trend on social media of people laughing when they're trying to record themselves at the gym and somebody walks into their frame. And my response to that is, what are you nuts? You're at a public gym, dog. First of all, let's just say don't record at the gym. Maybe just don't.

[Ben]

Just don't.

[Josh]

But if you are, I get it. Trying to be a fitness influencer for whatever reason. This ain't your place. We have invited in the public. This is a shared space not made for filming. So if I walk through doing my bicep curls with a very heavy 15, I don't care if I'm ruining your shot. I kind of like it. What are you, nuts? Get over yourself. You're at A Planet Fitness in Daytona. The shot looks terrible anyway. It's all purple around you. Get over it.

[Ben]

We also need to just make. I completely agree. What are you, nuts? We need to make it punishable by law to get people in your videos that didn't give you permission to let you be in their videos. It should be illegal. It should be fully illegal to film somebody without permission. And put it on the Internet. It's just right now, like, not in good taste. It should be illegal. Yeah, it's not. It's not right. It's not right at all. Especially with these people who have large audiences who are filming complete civilians that have no interest in being on the Internet. It's not right. And it should be illegal.

[Josh]

If I ever film at the Great Equinox, and I'll want to do, like, a little thing, first of all, I make sure it's, like, at the worst time of day as far as, like, attendance of the gym, right? Like, I'll make sure that everyone's at work, that it's pretty empty gym. And if someone is in the video that I don't want or didn't ask permission, I will have a VFX artist blur their face.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah. 100%. And I mean, it's very. It's very easy. With AI, it couldn't be easier. But these people, Josh, they don't want to blur them. They're often taking videos and photos of people that they think are funny, and they're literally, like, posting like, oh, look at this person. It's like, what do you mean, look at that person? That stranger that you just posted on the Internet.

[Josh]

That's Ben, okay? And he's trying.

[Ben]

Are you fucking crazy? Okay, yeah, I'm just trying to eat my chili cheese dog in peace and not be caught by the rabbi. Just leave me alone.

[Josh]

He's eating a hot dog on the bench.

[Ben]

Press. Just leave me alone. Folks, this episode's five stars. Otherwise. What are you, nuts? Spotify now has video. Okay, Watch us on Spotify. It's freaking sick. Also, watch us on YouTube, of course, but the Spotify. Josh. I hop in that Spotify app. I'm just. Just there.

[Josh]

It's good. Spotify is lit.

[Ben]

You turn it on mobile, all of a sudden, we're in landscape mode. Or you play it on your tv. It's absolutely fantastic. We're no longer reading reviews. We stopped doing that. But still, give us five stars, because why not Mondays and Thursdays, folks, we will see you next time.

[Josh]

We sure will.