A (2:55)

That's a convena angle, right? Like, I have a self limiter, right? Like, when I see my accountant every year, I walk in and I do the limbo and go, how low can you go? Hello, can you go? And somewhere between 35 and 40% is where I feel comfortable, right? Like, I definitely taken the deductions that were possible, but I'm not doing anything where I'm like, terrified that I'm going to get audited. Please, God, anyone from the irs, if you.

B (3:32)

I deserve that. Getting audited. I don't have enough paperwork. I got three kids.

A (3:37)

My son's in Little League. I digress.

B (3:41)

I was going to say you're bold for saying how much, what percentage you write off. You can miss me on that.

A (3:46)

No, I pay 35, 40%. So maybe writing off, I don't know, what should I be paying in this America, 60% socialism.

B (3:56)

No, you should be paying more. We should be giving 100% of our checks. And then they tell us how we are allowed to spend our money. Josh.

A (4:04)

But you know, Ben, you and I, like, we joke, but I think we're both pretty honest, like, forthright guys. And I'm sure you have plenty of friends who are, like, figuring out how the government owes them money and they've made millions. And it's.

B (4:17)

Of course I have a friend who somehow is always living in an apartment for free. Do you have one of these friends?

A (4:25)

Totally.

B (4:25)

He's like. He's like, yeah, it's so crazy. Like, he just didn't charge me rent or the building foreclosed. Like, I've just been here for the last nine months. I'm like, again, in a different state. You told me this story. And by the way, he's. He's out. He has money. He's like, Wears a nice watch. Sure. Maybe he's. Maybe he's a little skeevy, but I love him. But he's always like, yeah, you know, I'm in Miami, beautiful new apartment, haven't paid rent. Nobody's asked me. I'm like, what do you. What do you mean nobody's asked you? Like, of course somebody's asked you. Isn't that nuts?

A (5:03)

You Mean to tell me your friend who's been taking advantage of squatters rights in multiple cities is a little skeevy,

B (5:12)

by the way, though, if you want a good, fun night out, he's your guy. He's connected. He's hooked. He knows. But yeah, a little skeevy. Little skeevy.

A (5:22)

Yeah. It's like the better the sex, the crazier the girl. It just is. It's. It's just a rule of the universe.

B (5:29)

It just is. I'm trying to think back to the initial question. What am I not doing? Because God is watching me.

A (5:37)

You couldn't be in the mafia. Why did you even say that you could? I don't see you doing anything remotely violent ever.

B (5:43)

It's just fun and familial. I don't think that I want to do it to, like, pop anyone. I think it's like running a casino and having a huge family and, like, just the delicious Italian food and a Nona. I don't know. Just like, the cultural aspect of it. I love. You know what, Josh? No, this is, again, the government. I was gonna say I'd run an illegal gambling room. No, it's Uncle Sam. I don't have anything. I think that I. I would. Okay. I wouldn't be guilty anymore. Ooh. And if I'm not guilty anymore, what would I do? That's the way to get to it. What am I guilty of that I wouldn't do? It's. I do all of it. It's so hard. It's such a hard question, Josh.

A (6:27)

Like, I don't cheat. I don't not cheat on my wife because of God. I don't do it because I love my wife. And first and foremost, I'm not willing to sit with that in my. My universe. I. I could. I could never live with myself. First and foremost, I do it because I would go nuts. And secondly, I do it because I love and respect my wife. But God has no part in that.

B (6:50)

No, he doesn't. And I'm trying to think. It's. It's amazing. Like, we. We're really. We're really self. Governed by our. Our morals and our brains. And we put up all of these, I don't know, like, obstacles, and we put. We put our. Of course God exists. But I'm now thinking very philosophically, like, I'm governed by myself. It's so interesting. I'm governed by my guilt, but I'm also governed by what is right. And maybe all of that comes from God. Maybe that's how God plays in all of this. But it's just fascinating to think about that on a daily basis. You're stressed about things because you told yourself to be stressed about them. Everything in your brain, everything going on up here, Josh, it all matters because we say it matters. Right? You know what I mean?

A (7:47)

I think people do talk about being born morally on third base because of like, Judean, Judeo, Christian values and. And a God existing and that, like these things that we think are inherent to good people are actually from like thousands of years of development. But I also just think that if there was no God, the world in which we exist today, if a. If you are to abide by the social contract, if this is a simulation or a video game, not creating massive amounts of wreckage, having people chasing after you, having to look over your shoulder constantly like equals a better life. There are certainly a small percentage of people who are successful scoundrels and seem to just fall up. I'm just not one of those guys. I think for the most part, the way we live is kind of the way to have a good life.

B (8:38)

I think so. I. I think so. I was watching everybody's raving about this dinosaur documentary with Morgan Freeman. Have you seen this dinosaur documentary?

A (8:48)

I saw the commercial.

B (8:49)

I love Morgan Freeman. He narrates anything. I'm game. He is one of those voices. He's just fantastic. I'm not a fan. I love your. The planet Earths of the world, all of those. I'm just not a fan of like cgi, AI, Dinosaurs. How the fuck do you know what that looks like? Okay. I know you have the bones of the T Rex. You're telling me you know it's pink. How do you know it's pink? How do you know that? What it ate, who it ate, Truly, that it was 300 million years ago. I just. I don't. I don't buy all of it. I buy a lot of it. I buy that we understand based on their bone structures and bone densities and we can trace it back. I get all of that, but I just don't like there's so much creative license to what a dinosaur looks like. Where was I going with this?

A (9:39)

He took a Zyrtec today.

B (9:43)

What were you saying?

A (9:44)

I don't know. But can you imagine Morgan Freeman narrating your life?

B (9:48)

Ben.

A (9:49)

Benjamin. Benjamin got a bagel this morning. He went with the scallion cream cheese.

B (9:57)

Just you two, a great Freeman.

A (9:59)

And God bless.

B (10:01)

It's very. You're gonna listen back and you're gonna be more impressed. You're gonna be more impressed with yourself.

A (10:07)

I just think of another movie you probably haven't seen. Have you ever seen Shawshank Redemption?

B (10:11)

Of course I have.

A (10:12)

Okay.

B (10:13)

And it is fantastic.

A (10:14)

Good to hear.

B (10:15)

Fantastic. One of his best. He's so.

A (10:19)

And Andy Du Frame.

B (10:23)

Very good. Very good.

A (10:26)

Well, we have a frickin all star five star guest today. Ben, do you want to tell the people?

B (10:32)

Josh, for as few movies as I've seen, I've seen all of his. Okay.

A (10:40)

Like.

B (10:40)

Like all of his. Maybe you've heard of Big Fat Liar.

A (10:44)

Sure have.

B (10:45)

Maybe you've heard of Agent Cody Banks. One, two, maybe three. I'm not sure. Maybe you've heard of Malcolm in the frickin Middle. Yeah, we have. We have Frankie Muniz. And now he's a NASCAR driver. And I can't wait to talk to him about that. What? The ultimate pivot. By the way, Josh, we should be NASCAR drivers. You know what it is? Nascar. You gotta love to drive. We love driving.

A (11:09)

Totally.

B (11:10)

And you, and you get. You can whore yourself out to every sponsor in the world. Your car has 200 placements. Frankie has a sponsor on the windshield. He's a sponsor on the right door. He's a sponsor on the right door. Handle on the hood, on the trunk, on the windshield wiper. This is our dream. That's probably why he did it. I'm excited to ask him. Probably for the sponsors or the need for speed. But yeah, we got Frankie Muniz.

A (11:36)

Ooh, this would be dope, right? If fast food companies wanted to have more of an integration into nascar. The pit stops look like a drive through.

B (11:44)

Yes. I love it. Isn't that sick? Yeah. You pull up to a McDonald's, you get a McFlurry and a tire change.

A (11:52)

Yeah. They're like, here's your McFlurry. You just hear,

B (11:57)

this is genius.

A (11:59)

I love it.

B (12:00)

I hope NASCAR's listening because that was a genius idea. I'm all. I'm all in.

A (12:04)

You bring out the marketing side of me, Ben.

B (12:07)

And Josh, perhaps my brain is a little bit tired because yesterday I was up for 22 straight hours. I have. I haven't done that in quite some time. I Woke up at 4, I went to New York City, I got in back here to Florida at 2am and your boy's brain is just like a little sleepy. I don't know. I don't know. The city, Josh, the hustle and bustle. I don't know if I need it. I don't know. I don't know.

A (12:36)

You're preaching, baby.

B (12:38)

I don't know. I got back here, I just went, wow, that was. That was a lot, a lot. Quickly. Even though God blessed me with beautiful weather, 67 degrees. But. So, yeah, if I forget anything, I won't forget anything about Frankie. I won't forget anything about Big Fat Liar. And I'm hungry like the wolf. This episode of the Good Guys podcast is brought to you by our friends at Caraway. Folks, we love Caraway here at the Good Guys Podcast. And let me tell you, I don't think I spoke about this. Sure. Claudia and I did a couple of months in Florida. It was absolutely fantastic. Let me tell you, I needed new pans in this kitchen, okay? I needed new stuff. Not to say that my sister in law doesn't have wonderful stuff. She does. I needed new stuff. And I ordered the caraway goods, okay? Everything. Soup to nuts, knives. We got cutting boards, we got pans, we got pots, we got everything. And let me tell you, not only was it beautiful, but it was so wonderful. Easy to use, easy to put away, easy to clean. Caraway is it? It's absolutely fantastic. I love their butcher blocks, thick, premium wooden surfaces. You should see this wood crafted with walnut and maple wood. This is high quality wood, okay? And for the Tupperware, oh my God, have you seen their Tupperware? We're talking glass lids made with premium tempered glass for clean cooking with a view. This is the future, folks. Caraway. This is not what your mom was using, okay? Not the. Maybe your mom was using something great. I didn't mean to throw your mom under the bus. I'm just saying that this stuff is absolutely fantastic. We're talking easy cooking, okay? Because they're ceramic, which is naturally slick, which means that minimal oil or butter still creates slide off the pan, eggs and easy cleaning. Oh, is it easy? Okay. And well loved. Caraway is loved by over 2 million homes. And over 150,000 people have rated it 5 stars about their Caraway kitchen. And now it's time to try it for yourself, folks. Caraway's cookware set is a favorite for a reason. It can save up to $230 versus buying the items individually. Plus, if you visit CarawayHome.com GoodTen you can take an additional 10% off your next purchase. This deal is exclusive for our listeners, so visit carawayhome.com goodten or use code good10 at checkout. Caraway Non Toxic Cookware Made Modern. This episode of the Good Guys podcast is brought to you by our friends At Nutrafol, folks, people think that hair thinning is all about genetics. They blame their mom, they blame their dad, they blame everybody. But there are environmental factors. Did you know that? Stress, okay, maybe stress is hurting your hair. Maybe from being a parent, maybe from working too hard. You shouldn't be working so hard, okay? Maybe eating junk food. It's your nutrition. Well, folks, I'm here to tell you that that all plays a factor. I'm also here to tell you that Nutrafol is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand. With over 1 million people seeing thicker 20 stronger, faster, growing hair with less. Shedding your hair, folks, is never just about your hair, okay? And Nutrafol knows that. That's why Nutrafol takes a whole body approach to hair health. Addressing the problems inside to help your hair grow on the outside. Supporting your lifestyle. Not just your hairstyle, folks. It's physician formulated with drug free ingredients. Nutrafol's hair growth supplements are clinically tested to multi target key root causes of thin thinning, including stress, nutrition and lifestyle. That's what we need, folks. That's what we need. So take the first step towards visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month subscription and free shipping. When you go to nutrafol.com and enter the promo code goodguys. That's nutrafol.com spelled n u t r a f o l dot com. Promo code goodguys. That's Nutrafol.com, promo code goodguys.

A (16:34)

I can't take any more of Ben singing. Frankie, get on here. Frankie, I'm so glad to have you on the show. It's an honor. Our first question is, are Ben and I over the weight limit for NASCAR drivers? Would we be disqualified immediately?

C (16:50)

I would, I would say not for nascar. You guys are good. Formula one, maybe close.

A (16:55)

Is there really a weight limit?

C (16:56)

Not a weight limit. It just, you know when you meet most of F1 guys because like every single pound is like they're all tiny, right? They're like I'm five, four one three five pounds. I'm like average size for like a F1 guy. Some of them are bigger, but you know, for the most part they're just like, like jockeys, you know what I mean? Just a lot smaller. Just, you know, for sure. NASCAR, the cars are heavy, right? Like they're, you know, 3200 pounds. So like, you know, 50 pounds, 100 pounds doesn't make that big of a Difference. I mean, it does still, but not, not as much as like the Formula one stuff.

B (17:28)

Gosh, what an excellent car question. I had no idea. We need to start a fat racing league. Okay. Yeah, we need to figure out what the. Maybe it's bigger cars. Okay, so you said 3, 200 pounds for NASCAR, so we need like a 10,000 pound something where if you just have like a 600 pound whale that's driving the car, maybe it's like bus races or something. Oh, I.

C (17:49)

They do, they, they do those. They do those. So, you know, you guys are all set for the bus racing.

B (17:55)

Good. By the way, if you think we're fat now, you should have seen us before.

A (17:59)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Frankie knew me

B (18:04)

when you are.

A (18:04)

And be honest here, Frankie, no one's listening. When you are a race car driver, does it kill you to drive on these normal streets? Like, are you upset if you had to drive a Mazda?

C (18:18)

No, I'll say this. I actually found once I started racing that I drive fairly slow and like no risk on the, on the road, to me, there's, there's no reason, right? Because even if I'm on the freeway, right, I'm like, oh, go 110 miles an hour. Well, that's first gear in my NASCAR, you know, I mean, like that's, that's like pit lane speed, you know what I mean? So there's no, there's nothing that you can compare it to to. So I know all I'm going to do is either get hurt or get in trouble, you know, I mean, get arrested or something. So I don't know, I find myself like driving more like a, like a, like a grandma than, than, than I used to on the streets. Now that I race. Cause every week I get to go 200 miles an hour and, you know, hit people with a race car and you know, so, yeah, I don't, I don't know. It's quite the opposite, I think.

B (19:07)

So, Frankie, how did we get into nascar? How did we get here? Okay, because I'm sure our listeners are like, frankie Muniz is here and we're only talking about nascar. Hell yeah. Okay. Like, I fucking love it. So what, what, like, what had to happen? Like, were you always a fan of nascar? How did this happen? And how great are the sponsors?

C (19:26)

Yeah, I mean, I was always a, a racing fan, right? But like, when I think back of being a kid or even a teenager and when I was doing the show and stuff like that, like saying you want to be a race car driver was like saying you want to be an astronaut, right? Like, how do you do that? Like, how do you become a race car driver? But I actually can thank Brian Cranston for me becoming a race car driver, as odd as that sounds. He did the pro celebrity race that they used to do in Long beach for years, and he came back on set that next, like that next day after, after the race, and he was like, it was the most incredible thing. If they ever ask you, you have to do it. So the next year they asked me. I was 18 and I did it and I, I ended up, I won the race. And that feeling was incredible, like magical. And a pro team approached me and was like, hey, we'd like to just give you a test for fun, right? Not thinking that I was gonna have a career in it, but like, oh, we'll put you in the real race car. You know, you can, you can just drive around and have fun. But by the end of the test, I was faster than their, like their pro driver. So they signed me to a two year development deal and the next thing I knew, I was a professional race car driver. So that was 2004, 2005. I raced until 2009. I got pretty badly hurt and, and I did no racing up until my son was born in 2021. And I had this weird, like, I was holding him in a hospital and I was like, who's my son going to grow up thinking I am, right? Everything I've done is in my past. Like, I used to do this. I used to be an actor. I used to, you know, race cars. And I felt like I had unfinished business in the racing world. And I was like, all right, I want to go back. I want to, I want to give it a shot. I want to dive in 100% because I want to. I want him to see me working for something that's really hard. But I want to go NASCAR racing. I used to race open wheel cars like, like Formula One style, IndyCar style cars. And now NASCAR is like, I say it's like comparing Olympic diving and Olympic swimming. Like, sure, they, you know, they're way different sports, way different athletes, but like, just everything that you feel is different and, But I love it. I love racing NASCAR so much, I wish I did it 20 years ago. It's hard, but it's. It is the most insane thing I've ever done. And I don't know, I, I'm. I love it.

B (21:37)

That's so great. Wow.

A (21:39)

You know, it's a non starter for me. What's that it's no air conditioning. There isn't.

B (21:44)

Right.

C (21:44)

It's. No, it's br. It's. It's actually brutal. Hot. I mean, we just. We just raced in St. Pete, Florida,

A (21:51)

for anyone who knows geography. Florida. Okay.

C (21:55)

Yeah. Florida.

A (21:56)

Yeah.

C (21:57)

It was only like 75 degrees out, but inside the race car, it's like 160. And like, I. I burned 4, 400 calories during the race. My heart. Average heart rate was like 172 for like 3 hours and 10 minutes. And it is like, you get out and it's as if you jumped in a pool. You're just drenched in sweat and it's. It's not very comfortable, but, you know, it's what you got to do. So you. You fight through it.

B (22:19)

Josh, first of all, how did you know that there's no air conditioning in a race car? Josh knows a little about everything. It's unbelievable. I don't know how the hell you knew that. 160 degrees, Frankie. The second it hits. The second it hits 90, I'm sitting in the air conditioning.

C (22:34)

100 and yeah, I wear these, like, booties on my feet that are basically what, like an astronaut would wear, right? Like heat shield booties. Because like, otherwise your feet literally will melt to the. Like, to the. To the bottom of the car. Like, it's that hot just from the engine and, you know, all the components and stuff like that. So. And then it's all just metal in there, so, like, the heat just kind of radiates. You know, it doesn't. It doesn't dissipate at all.

B (22:59)

Oh, my God.

A (23:00)

And I know everything is weight sensitive, right? But, like, have they toyed with ideas? Cause it's an unbelievable survival sport, right? Have they toyed with ideas of, like, maybe pre. Having an IV setup where you're gaining, like, fluids and vitamins and calories? Because I bet it would make you an even better driver.

B (23:19)

Or. Josh. A cooling peptide. A cooling peptide. We have to call Dr. Conover. Okay, this is genius.

A (23:26)

This is genius.

C (23:27)

I haven't thought of that. But, like, I'll start prepping hydration wise. Like, if I'm. We normally race Friday nights, on Tuesday, I start prepping hydration wise, like, you know, making sure I'm taking in the right amount of liquid and. And, you know, because I can't explain to you how exhausting it is and, like, how just thirsty you are and just hot it is, but you. You gotta do that prep to. To be able to make it through, but, hey, maybe someone will Come up with something better than that eventually. I don't know. Or air conditioning in the cars.

A (23:57)

Yeah, something like a. Or. Or an ice. Like a. A ice bodysuit. A cooling surgeons.

C (24:02)

Well, we do. We do. Some of us have, like, I have a cooling suit. So, like, it's like a shirt that plugs into, like, a little mini unit, like, in it, and it passes water through it, but, like, it doesn't. People go, oh, it must be so much more comfortable. And it is. It's better. But Instead of being 160, I'm 125. Like, body temperature, you know what I mean? Like, it cools you a little bit, but it's not. And a lot of the times they fail. And then. Then you're just have, like, boiling water. It's actually worse. You know what I mean? Like, you're hotter, but. But you. You do try to make yourself as comfortable as possible, because, you know, when you get tired physically, then you start making like, you know, and then, like, mental, like, mentally you get tired. I mean, if you're hot, you're thinking of that. Like, then you start making mistakes. And, you know, a mistake in a race car, 200 miles an hour is usually pretty big, like, pretty catastrophic. So you don't want that.

B (24:53)

Is it. And is it directly related to how hot it is outside? So if you were racing somewhere cooler temperatures, does it still get up to that 160? If we put this in Antarctica, like, how hot?

C (25:05)

We're.

B (25:06)

We're starting at 32 degrees. Where are we getting to? Or it's the same thing.

C (25:09)

Yeah, no, I mean, it's still hot in the car. So, like, even we raced in Atlanta just a few weeks ago, and it was pretty cold. Actually, last year in Atlanta, it was 17 degrees at the start of the race. It was freezing. But in the car, you're still like, you need the cool suit. You're still sweating, you know, because maybe it's a little better because some of the air from outside comes in. But not. Not really. But no. Like, in the summer when we race, like in Indiana, like Indianapolis, it's 100 degrees and 100% humidity. It is. It's rough. Like, it is hard. Even in St. Pete this last week, four drivers went to the hospital for heat exhaustion after the race. You know what I mean? You had, like, guys like Dario Franchitti, who's like a IndyCar champion. Like, he's, you know, he's 50 years old. Like, he's. He's raced everything. He got out and was like, that was the hardest thing I've ever done in, like, physically, because, like, inside the trucks are just so hot.

B (25:56)

But.

C (25:56)

Yeah.

A (25:56)

Do you. Frankie, can we ask a couple acting questions? Is that cool?

C (26:01)

Please? Yeah.

A (26:02)

Okay, so I know.

C (26:04)

I refuse, even though Malcolm's coming.

A (26:07)

Ben's your biggest fan, so. Ben, take it away.

B (26:09)

I am. As am I.

A (26:11)

As am I.

B (26:12)

What's hilarious is Josh has made fun of me for years. So is my wife. So is everybody. For seeing no movies. I've seen no movies. I somehow saw all of yours.

A (26:20)

So nice.

C (26:22)

I love it.

B (26:22)

It's really great. But what do people come up to on the street? Foremost, I guess, would be a first place to start. Like when they, when they see you. What are they?

C (26:31)

Definitely. Definitely Malcolm. Definitely Malcolm. Yeah. And then I would say after that, I get a lot of Cody Banks.

B (26:37)

Yeah.

C (26:37)

And then, and then Big Fat Liar after that. But no more Malcolm than anything, for sure.

B (26:41)

So Big Fat Liar, I think was just like in, in my Zeitgeist. It was the greatest movie. I watched it 100 times with my sister. And to this day, when I hear Hungry like the Wolf, my brain goes straight to that Paul Giamatti and Paul Giamatti and Amanda. So I guess just like, are you still in touch with, with Paul? Do you think of that time fondly? Like, I know some people are not. Like, I think it was amazing. Like, I think that you're in those movies.

C (27:10)

No, I.

B (27:11)

Like, how do you feel about it today?

C (27:13)

I think back to those days and, like, that was like the ultimate, right? Especially like, filming that movie, like, on the Universe a lot. Getting to run around, you know, literally with old, like, the total freedom on that lot. Like, we had a blast. You know, I unfortunately am not in touch with Paul or, or Amanda just because I'm really bad at communication. But, but, but no, I mean, I look back and really, my career in general, and like, I'm. I'm proud that I have really good memories of all of it. You know what I mean? Like, I don't have a lot of crazy, negative stories. You know what I mean? Like, obviously there's ups and downs in everything that you do in, in the industry and stuff like that. But, like, no, I, I, I think I, I had a, A really good time. And, you know, I've been thinking about a lot lately because I've been being asked questions about, like, my career, you know, back then and how I used to, like, pick what I wanted to do. And I honestly would read, you know, maybe 50 scripts that I would get to choose From. For the hiatus that we had for Malcolm, like, to film. And. And I always just picked, like, what I thought was gonna be the most fun. You know, I mean, I was a kid, and, you know, my agents and managers were like, no, I really think you should do this Martin Scorsese movie. And I'm like, no, no, Big fat liar, bro. Like, you know, Frankie's like, what the.

A (28:25)

Is it Departed? Yeah, I'm trying to do.

C (28:29)

I ain't reading that. Three hour.

B (28:30)

I want to play James Bond. Like, yeah, exactly.

C (28:34)

You know, get the girl, save the world. Hell, yeah.

A (28:37)

Are you kidding? That's amazing. I have a question. You brought him up earlier, but knowing now, like, that, Bryan Cranston has really become one of our greatest actors on set. On a random day on Malcolm in the Middle, were there any hints or did he give anything, any energy where you were like, oh, you are destined to be one of our greats one day?

C (28:58)

Oh, a million percent. I. I always say that. Well, a little backstory. When Hal, his character, was originally written in the pilot, and if you hear Linwood, the creator, talk about it, he's like, hal was an afterthought. Like, he was not supposed to be really a main character. He'd be there. He was going to be like the hapless dad that kind of didn't really do much. And they ended up casting Brian the morning of the first day of shooting because they were like, they. They were so worried about all, like, you know, Malcolm and. And Jane as. As Lois and the other boys, and. And they really didn't know what. How it was going to be. And they put Brian in kind of last minute. He made that show. But more than that, when I always say, like, I looked up to him as a mentor for multiple reasons, ages. He's a really great guy, nice guy, but it didn't matter if he was off camera. It didn't matter, you know, how long we were shooting. You know. You know, when you film something for a long time, or eventually you're like,

B (30:00)

all right, we're good.

C (30:01)

You know, we got it. You know, and they'll go, one more shot. Brian never. Like, he gave a million percent every single time. And. And, you know, even you'd read the scripts, right? And you go, like, I don't really understand that. And when Brian would do it, like, it came to life. And you see that especially, I mean, not in all of his acting, but, like, in this reboot, there's a pretty intense arc that. That hit that Hal goes through. And, like, only he could do it. Like, only he could make it make sense, you know what I mean? And, and pull it off, so it's pretty cool.

A (30:34)

Wow, that's awesome. And don't let, don't listen to any of our previous clips. I love reboots. I'm a big reboot guy, a huge fan. I've been in five.

B (30:43)

Proud of all of them.

C (30:45)

I love them.

A (30:46)

I don't know about Ben. I love them.

B (30:48)

I love them too. And you do love them. I think the only reboot you don't love is Scrubs, I think.

A (30:53)

No, I love that one. That one of my faves. That's okay. So you there. You had an amazing tweet the other day, Frankie, and if I may, I'd like to possibly, perhaps quote it to you.

C (31:06)

I get in trouble with my, with, with my tweets, you know, because they're

B (31:10)

just such quick thoughts. We weren't meant to be able to go from brain to fingers this fast. But, yeah, this was a great tweet.

C (31:16)

I don't know why. Like, I'm pretty quiet about certain things, but, like, I say the shit that I shouldn't say online.

A (31:22)

Well, you did say. God, I hate hear actors talk. Do I sound like such a tool when I talk?

C (31:30)

Yeah, I know. Well, I don't live in Los Angeles, okay? I, I, I moved to Arizona in 2008, so I'm not really around, like, the industry, per se, right? So I was staying in this hotel. Like, I'm here in LA right now, you know, doing a bunch of stuff for the Malcolm release and stuff like that. And I was, I went to the, the restaurant downstairs in the hotel, and this guy sat kind of next to me, and he was talking to the bartender, and it turns out he's some actor on, I don't know, let's call it CSI or whatever. And, And I just couldn't. I was like, there's no way people actually talk like that and have these conversations and think that people care that much about. Oh, how you finished. You just finished rapping and now. Oh, yeah. It just was so pretentious. And I was like, oh, my God, shut up. Yeah, nobody cares.

B (32:18)

No one cares.

C (32:19)

You know what I mean?

B (32:20)

Yes.

C (32:20)

Yeah, my wife. My wife is amazing, right? She's super supportive. Everything I do, my racing, my act, whatever it is. But she reminded me the other day, she goes, you know, I don't know why actors get all high and mighty, right? Because back in the day, like, the Jester was the lowest of the low, you know what I mean? On the totem pole, you know. And you know, I was like, oh, thanks for reminding me that I'm nothing.

A (32:43)

Totally.

C (32:43)

But, but no, I, I just, I don't know, I, I, and then the, the, the bar, the waitress was like, yeah, you talk about like her auditions and her self tapes and how hard it is and I was like, bro, like be a roofer. Not that I am. You know what I mean? I race cars and I'm an actor,

B (33:00)

but I love that.

A (33:01)

No, I try to have that mentality too because to me it's like I, the best version of being an actor and telling stories is that you give that roofer a reprieve from his hard day. At the end of the day he comes home and he watches your movie or your show and he goes, I can forget about all the other BS and just enjoy this for an hour.

C (33:22)

Yeah.

A (33:22)

And that's valuable. But I agree with you, man. The level of pretension is just, I don't know where you're staying. But like this is why I don't go to the Chateau Marmont. I don't get invited. But I, I can't stand it. It's like this self importance and now we're in award show season and it's just the height. So.

C (33:42)

Shout out.

A (33:43)

I'm moving to Arizona too.

B (33:44)

I'm, I was going to say you, you made such a great move. It sounds like you really just. Mic dropped your entire acting career, moved to Arizona and just said like I did it, I'm done. I can focus on racing. And that's just awesome. Like I feel like people spend a little too much time. I always think of Shaquille o' Neal on the Suns and I'm like, you didn't need to play for the Suns. You could have retired a later.

C (34:09)

No, you know, I, I try to think that now that I've like removed, you know, it's been 20 years or whatever, right? Since, since Malcolm ended and when I started racing and it was more that I wanted to, I wasn't specifically saying like, hey, I don't want to act anymore. I want to leave this business or I want to, I don't want to live in la. I just, I really wanted to try the racing like and to compete against people who, that's their lives and that's all they do and that's all they know and they're putting in, you know, 15 hours a day prepping. You can't just show up and half, like do it halfway. So I knew if I was going to try It, I was like, I've got to commit myself to it. And the only way to do that is to not be the words, not distracted, but you know, like doing other things. Right? Because even being an actor, if you want to do well and do good for the project, you've got to commit yourself to it. You've got to put in the time, the prep and all that. So it was a little bit of the fact that I just really wanted to focus on the racing. But I also, like, I, I started working when I was 8 and if you added up all the days off until I was 20 when the show ended, like maybe I had 40 days off in those 12 years. So like, I was also good to like, just be like, I'm cool with not doing anything for right now. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I'm very fortunate and was in a position to where I could kind of step away for a minute. But you know, I was never saying, like, oh, I'm anti acting. I don't want to act. Like to this day, like I would, I would love to do another show. I'd love to continue to act.

A (35:34)

You're like, how about the Scorsese movie?

B (35:36)

Now?

C (35:38)

Yeah, give it to me now. Yeah, but, but no, like, but same thing. Like I'm, I'm, I'm back racing and I'm racing full time in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck series and the GT4America championship. And like, I'm just busy, you know what I mean? But I'm, I, I, I want to, my personality is when I do something, like, I do it fully, like I don't have hobbies, you know what I mean? I want to be the best that I could be in whatever it is I'm doing. I don't want to look back and go, like, I could have tried harder, I could have done this, you know, I could have done that. So anyway, but my move to Arizona was, I wasn't a huge fan of living in Los Angeles. Like it was just very busy and it's hard to in my head do little things, like the simple things to where I found myself not doing them. And I, on a whim moved to Arizona. And I say it saved my life. And not because like of that LA was toxic to me. It's just that I started enjoying doing little things. I go mountain biking all the time and I like going to the grocery store because it's easy because there's parking and it's free and not the valet, you know, and it's just things like that but, but no, I, I, I'll say this. Like, when I finished the Malcolm reboot, when we finished filming, I had such an amazing time. Like, it was so fun to get to be the character again and be with everybody again and get the opportunity to, to, you know, knowing that the impact that the show had on millions of people all over the world, like, to get to go back into that world is so kind of surreal. But it was the first time when I finished filming that I was so happy to actually have the label of actor next to my name. You know what I mean? Because I've always been like, oh, I act, but I also do these things. And I'm this, I'm this, you know, I do a bunch of different things, but I was like, no, I'm an actor. Like, that was awesome. And, and I, I hope people love it. And so that was kind of a cool, cool experience to go through.

B (37:19)

How old did you say your son was?

C (37:21)

He, he just, he's about to turn five next week. He turns five.

B (37:24)

Amazing. And you mentioned that you want him to know you as the NASCAR driver. Josh and I talk all the time.

C (37:31)

No, like, please, not even as an. I want him to see me. I don't want him to like, grow up and be like, how do we have this nice house? You know what I mean? Like, I want him to see me actually, like, working really, really hard, currently.

B (37:44)

Yeah, I understand. But so you'll still show him your old stuff? Like, I know he'll love your old stuff. Like, not in like a, not like a narcissistic way. I think he'll, he'll love it. Like, Josh will watch some of his old stuff with his kids and they, they, they, they get a kick out of it. Like, have you shown him any of the movies or. Not yet.

C (38:01)

I, you know, he knows me as a race car driver. Right. He knows me as being interviewed, you know, next to the race car. He'll have an in car camera and see me driving. He's seen me on tv.

A (38:13)

Frankie, I respect. I wish my kids knew me as a samurai. They know me as this funny daddy fucking. What does your dad do? I don't know. Fudgeing, improv? Like,

C (38:25)

I don, no, but he's, he's definitely seeing, you know, like, people coming up to me always and like, calling me Malcolm or you like, you know, like, talking about roles I played. So he's seen pictures of me, like, you know, posters and, and stuff like that. But like, I don't think he fully understands it. Right. Like, doesn't doesn't get it yet. You know, I, I, I am excited for him to get older, to see what he thinks of like, you know, Cody Banks or something like that. I don't know, like maybe he'll think it's really lame. You know what I mean? That that's bad. But, or maybe I'll be cool to him. I don't know. You know, we'll see.

B (39:02)

It'll be cool. That's awesome. That's awesome. Congrats on everything. I know this isn't, it's a, it's a pivot for me. I'm sorry, I didn't know that you were a NASCAR driver until recently, but this is such a cool, it's just so cool.

A (39:16)

And be safe out there. This is an honor to have man. And I'm, I'm seriously impressed, dude. I, I feel like you are anytime when we were mention were on the show, like everyone was so excited. You're beloved and I think for good reason. Cuz you're authentic, man. You do the thing that you are passionate about and I think that resonates. So I wish you the best.

C (39:35)

Appreciate that. Thank you so much.

B (39:36)

Yes, thank you. Before we wrap, you want to plug any? I, I think we touched on everything, but everything.

C (39:43)

I mean, obviously I'm just excited for everyone to see the, the Malcolm in the Middle life is still unfair. Reboot April 10th Disney and Hulu Plus. Yeah, sorry. Hulu and Disney Plus.

B (39:52)

Hulu and Disney Plus.

A (39:53)

Not an actor.

C (39:54)

I'm just a race car.

A (39:56)

Come on. Thanks, bro.

B (39:58)

Thanks, Frankie.

C (40:00)

See you guys.

A (40:00)

Take care, Frankie.

B (40:04)

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A (45:18)

And that was Frankie Muniz. What a guy.

B (45:23)

What a guy. So fantastic. What a career. And then NASCAR stuff. He's crazy.

A (45:30)

He's nuts. He's spectac. He lived up to everything I wanted him to live up to. And then some.

B (45:37)

And then some. And, Josh, you know, maybe we should. Should we do a little more on mail?

A (45:42)

I. Indeed, yes. Let's do that, please.

B (45:44)

A little more. A little more.

A (45:46)

In the interim, while you're finding the good morning mail, I want to tell you that at the Flamingo Casino in Las Vegas, a Canadian man stole a flamingo from the Flamingo encampment. Took it home, thinking. Or, I'm sorry. He took it back to his room, thinking it was going to be his pet and he was going to repair the wing. In doing so, he also stomped on a couple flamingos to get the pet flamingo. Made a picture of him and the flamingo his lock screen on his cell phone. He has since been arrested, charged, had a $12,000 bail. And Canadians are wild, dog. Canadians be out here stealing flamingos.

B (46:28)

Holy mother of God. That's like the time I stole, even though I paid for it. Josh, did I steal this? We were in a nightclub, Las Vegas. There was a Magnum bottle of 1942, unopened. I paid for it, but I took it out of the club in my pants.

A (46:45)

Fuck, no, you didn't steal it. I didn't write a Magnum bottle of 1942 which goes retail for 350. That had to be.

B (46:54)

It was. No, it was at least two grand. At least at the time. It was one of those where you had a minimum, you had to hit it, so you ordered it. Cause you're not just giving the money back to the club. So you take it. But, yeah, I smuggled that shit out in my pants because they wouldn't let me take it out. And I felt like I was stealing, but I paid for it.

A (47:14)

Yeah, baby, yeah. You did the right thing.

B (47:17)

I paid for it. All right, back to the Flamingo.

A (47:19)

You want to talk pathetic, don't you?

B (47:21)

Don't steal live animals. Okay? Don't do it. Okay. Beautiful flamingo. And what did he do? Grab him by the neck? What a terrible story.

A (47:30)

What a loser. And also, could you imagine if we were both there? You would have stole the 1942, but I'm the idiot who would have stole the mixers. Betty, I got the cranberry. Let's go. Two fatsos running down the hallway. So good.

B (47:51)

So good. My mom literally would have stolen the napkins. When my mom leaves a place, she is. She has taken them for what they're worth. She leaves a diner, she's taking all the jelly packets.

A (48:02)

God bless you. Yeah, it's called Felada. There should be a restaurant called. This is Fada.

B (48:10)

Later.

A (48:15)

Totally, dude.

B (48:16)

Totally.

A (48:17)

Do you have a moron mail?

B (48:23)

I do. And folks, this has been the greatest transformation. Okay, speak. Pipes are gone. Rest in peace. Marshall, you can email us. Good guys. Podcast one. Goodguys podcast onemail.com. they are all anonymous. They're so much better. You can type them. We don't have to hear your voice. Sorry. Not sorry. Okay. Hi, guys. There's a woman in my office who microwaves fish for lunch, and it absolutely destroys the whole floor. The smell just sits there for the rest of the afternoon. The thing is, she seems totally unaware. Or maybe she is aware and she just doesn't care. She heats it up, sits down, and eats it like everything's normal while the rest of us are basically holding our breath. No one has said anything to her because it feels rude to tell someone what they can and can't eat for lunch. But at this point, it's becoming a whole office event every time she eats salmon. Can I say something to her? What would you guys do?

A (49:23)

Can happen.

B (49:24)

It can happen. You can't microwave salmon. You can't. You either need to eat it cold. So if you cooked it the night before, turn it into a beautiful salmon salad. Right. Or put it on top of a Greek salad. Okay. The only way to heat up salmon is in an oven. Even that leaves it lightly smelly. You cannot microwave it. You can't. You can't. So what would I do? I would tell HR to tell her. I couldn't tell her. I couldn't tell her myself. I'd hope that it's a big enough organization where I'd tell HR to tell her. I would feel very uncomfortable telling me somebody what they can and can't eat for lunch. Unless I was close with them. Then I'd be like, dude, your. Your fish stinks. But otherwise. Right?

A (50:12)

Yeah. I would just do one of these. You microwave being salmon, you know?

B (50:19)

Yeah.

A (50:19)

Fish microwaving.

B (50:22)

It also will taste disgusting, by the way. That's not, like, a good way to heat fish. It's not a good way to reheat anything delicate like that. Like, it's just gonna cook it. It's so, like, easy to overcook fish. You can't do that. You just can't. It's so smelly. I made a salmon a couple of summers ago, delicious oregano. I put it in the fridge. My brother in law heated it up in the microwave for like two years. There was a running joke. Ben's salmon. Because Ben salmon was so smelly. No, it's because he heated it up in the microwave and wasn't me. It was delicious salmon the night before.

A (51:00)

I needed cold.

B (51:01)

Fine, cold salmon's actually, it's delicious. I like cold salmon.

A (51:07)

It's such a fatty fish. It really keeps.

B (51:10)

It's so fatty. So good. So many beautiful omega threes. So good for the brain.

A (51:16)

I know.

B (51:17)

So good for the brain. All right, our next moron male. Hey. Hey, guys. My wife loves to FaceTime her friends. night when we're already in bed, we'll be laying there watching tv and suddenly she's on a full time face call. A full FaceTime call. Now I'm just sitting there in the background of the conversation. Sometimes the phone even swings over to me and I'm expected to say hi when I was never a part of the call in the first place. Am I crazy for wanting her to take those calls somewhere else? No, you're not crazy. Take them somewhere else. Claudia does this all the time.

A (51:54)

I am.

B (51:54)

She does. She does this all the time.

A (51:56)

She is.

B (51:56)

Will be. We'll be watching a show. Jackie will call her. All of a sudden she's FaceTiming with Jackie. Like, weren't we. Weren't we. Weren't we just watching a show? Like, is the show over? It could last 15 minutes. I'll end up going in the other room. Paige do this?

A (52:13)

Yeah, but tell me if it's a. I don't want to make it a woman thing, but men back. But I. Let's just call it our wives thing. And I don't think they're aware of it. I think my wife. Our wives have a tendency to. They, they have an instinct to take over the bedroom bedrot. And it's like they get in bed and they think it's still our room. You might. I'm too sensitive. You might be better at this, Ben, at manning up. But I don't really feel welcome in there because like I usually put the boys to bed and at that point, you know, Paige has showered and cleaned her face and now she's in bed and she's got stuff going on. Right. She's either got her laptop, she's got a show going. There's like, it's the control center. But I. I feel like I'm entering that Energy. And if I'm not on that exact same wavelength, I don't want to just lay there. So then I wind up going downstairs.

B (53:15)

I do, I understand. We, we don't do bedtime separately because we have one child and we do it together. So what our bed. What really, what every single night looks like is we feed Ruby, we read him a book together, we put him down, and then she picks the TV show, we lay in bed. Or if she's reading, I'll read. Or if she's on her computer, I, I, she dictates. But yeah, no, I, your experience happens on like a, maybe like a weekend or something. I'm trying to think pre Ruby. Like, she'll be, she'll start a show, and all of a sudden it's season five, episode three, and she's watching it. I either got to watch it and ask her a ton of questions, or, yeah, I do my own thing, or I got to do my own thing. But, yeah, I, I just think that FaceTime calls where the other person is not a part of them should be done in private, that's all.

A (54:14)

Should we get to our. What are you nuts?

B (54:15)

We should. Our what do you notice moment of the week are gripes with people, places and things both big and tall, Rochester style. Whatever's sticking in your craw. Josh, you got one.

A (54:25)

Yes. I will say that I was nuts. The other day. I, I, my. For, for Christmas, my son got a Nintendo Switch. He loves it. Shout out, Nintendo. Shout out to the word switch. And so it was in his. He has it in a case. And, and the other day, this was like a great dad moment. I noticed that his Nintendo Switch was on the floor of the living room. And I go, Max, it's 300 gift. I said, you think it's nice that it's on the floor? And he goes, you know, he's. And he goes, well, how do you know how much it costs? Santa brought it. And I was like, you got to be so careful, dude, because you forget Santa brings the gifts, not mom and dad, so you can't even take credit for that shit.

B (55:11)

So I was like, damn.

A (55:13)

And then he goes. And I go, well, yeah, Santa brought it, but it's still, it's an expensive gift. Like, we should take care of it. He goes, okay, you're right. He goes, but how does it cost money? The elves made it. I'm like, good God, what am I, nuts? So shout out, Max.

B (55:30)

The elves bought the raw materials, Josh.

A (55:33)

Yes.

B (55:33)

Tell them to come to me. I have the answers, okay? I have the answers. I won't spoil it. The elves made it. But what do you think? Free labor? No, no, you gotta pay the elves, okay? We pay the elves. Whether we like it or not, we pay those elves. My, what are you, nuts? Moment. Josh, you're gonna crack up. Last night, I'm sitting on the airplane. Couple to my right. Insufferable couple. Insufferable. The guy, head to toe, Louis Vuitton, okay? Like, head to toe, full print. Hat, jacket, shirt, shoes. Head to toe, okay? And the flight ends, we're wrapping. He takes down his Louis Vuitton suitcase. Yeah.

A (56:16)

And?

B (56:16)

And the guy behind him goes, dude, I love your suitcase. Where's it from? He looks at him, he's like, louis Vuitton? What are you, nuts? Like, what do you mean, where is it from? Are you from this planet? Josh, it was full print. His whole body, full print. What do you mean, where is it from? Everything he's wearing is from Louis Vuitton. It's all Louis Vuitton. You don't need to see a sticker to know it's from Louis Vuitton. Where's it from? So dumb. What are you, nuts?

A (56:46)

So dumb, folks.

B (56:47)

Mondays and Thursdays, folks. We will see ya next time.