A (2:12)

No, you don't have to apologize to.

B (2:14)

Ben, but I am.

A (2:15)

Because these people work for us and they wouldn't have the guts to tell us what I thought.

B (2:20)

But you would.

A (2:22)

But this is what I'm here for. This is what we do.

B (2:25)

We need all. All I know is something. Yeah. Yeah, you were. Were you driving? At least I Was on. Okay. At least I took the time to be at my computer in an office. I.

A (2:36)

You. Yes, I. I do drive during zooms and I tell people that I. I almost exclusively do. I don't really believe in a sit down zoom unless it requires sit down attention. And I think zoom is so overly prescribed nowadays for unnecessarily.

B (2:53)

I agree, I agree. So I'm just saying if it was a call and you zoom in, you call and drive. I eat on a call. Nobody knows I'm eating. We know. I told you because I would. No, no, no. I'm saying if it was a call.

A (3:06)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (3:08)

You see? I agree with you. Let's jump back to what you just said. Zoom is over prescribed. There's no need. You know what? I look like you need to see me with tuna in my teeth. No, you don't. Okay. If you need a picture of me, here's something, Josh, let's say we've never met before. This is. We're going to meet for the first time. Instead of hopping on Zoom, I'm going to text you the best picture of me I have so you can see what I look like and then we'll hop on a call. How does that work?

A (3:34)

Yeah, how does that sound?

B (3:35)

Good.

A (3:35)

Zoom has become the default. Do you find that, Josh G. Like any kind of call, it's just like, yeah, we'll do zoom unless otherwise instructed.

B (3:43)

Yeah. And it's a little unnecessary to me, honestly. I don't need to see your face.

A (3:47)

To get my point across, you know.

B (3:49)

No, no. I think that a lot of people do it because remote work, they want to make sure you're working. That's why zoom culture became such a thing. Like, it's very easy to like fake a phone call. Like being distracted. It's a lot harder over zoom because they track your eyes, whatever. But unnecessary. Josh, we're talent. Set up a call.

A (4:09)

Well, I just think that we need to. My friend Brian Tenenbaum, the executive from Roku, you know, the great producer of the show. No one saw that. I did. And.

B (4:20)

But Brian, I saw it. Brian, look, let's do more. What should we do with Brian? That'll be the next segment. What should we do with Brian?

A (4:27)

Brian's the best and he's known and he's right up my alley in that if you have a call with him, he will be walking. He is like a 15,000 to 30,000 step guy, much like myself, pure alpha. And he just, he can't reconcile why you wouldn't need A zoom. Unless he's trying to, like, sign a new talent or it's like a really big macher meeting.

B (4:51)

But if it's a really, really big macher meeting. Truly big macher meeting. This is in person. Okay. This is in person. Fly to me. I'll fly to you. If it's a really big macher meeting, I'm now advocating. What about. Unless there's screen sharing involved, unless we're looking at a document, unless we're looking at Excel, unless we're collaborating on some sort of a. A deck or. Or a PowerPoint presentation call. I'm done with zooms. You've convinced me. I've had tuna in my teeth for the last time. Tuna in my teeth for the last time.

A (5:26)

Jeffrey Katzenberg, who he used to work with, the former, like, you know, crazy media mogul, billionaire genius.

B (5:32)

That Quibby was Quibby, right?

A (5:35)

Well, you don't want to be.

B (5:37)

You didn't.

A (5:37)

I'm just, you know.

B (5:38)

He was Quibby, that one. He was Quibby, was he not Quibby.

A (5:42)

That's so good, by the way.

B (5:44)

Quibi was a great idea. It was so great that YouTube completely stole it and made shorts. Like it's. That's exactly what it is. Eight minute episodes. That's a YouTube short.

A (5:54)

A short is eight minutes. No, a short, I feel like, is more TikTok Instagram type a reel or a. Like a vine 60 seconds.

B (6:01)

No, but isn't YouTube shorts up to eight minutes?

A (6:04)

No.

B (6:05)

Oh, so what's. What's the YouTube eight minute called? Is that not called a short?

A (6:08)

There isn't.

B (6:10)

Oh, it's. What's the. These are just shorter videos. Yeah. Pretty cool. All right, so we should launch a product with the adjacent eight minute videos. Okay. We're looking for not too long, not too short. Right in the sweet spot. We're going to lose people's attention. Okay. Just long enough that you're not going to watch, but short enough that you're going to give it a chance.

A (6:34)

That's quibby. Okay. In hindsight, was it certainly maybe not cracking up? 60.

B (6:43)

Shorts. Yeah. YouTube shorts, eight minutes. You're like, no, YouTube shorts are 60 seconds. And you can just post a shorter video. Okay, good to know. Good to know.

A (6:53)

Was it good? We can. We can re examine. Let's re litigate Quibi, because now that all the stones have been thrown. It didn't work out. It was launched over Covid, which I'm sure maybe could have been a bigger help because people were so consuming entertainment at that time.

B (7:09)

If it failed During COVID it was the worst idea ever. Just saying. Because that means it would have failed so much harder in non Covid. Like a new platform where people could consume. You know what their problem was? You couldn't create on it. Right. There was nothing to create. These were all programs that were sort of shown at you like a Netflix. Right. There wasn't a creator element to Quibi, was there?

A (7:36)

No. What. What was the theory behind Quibi was that because people are living on their phone so much, what if you made the content that's native to Netflix, all these other streamers, but you made it native to the format of a phone?

B (7:51)

Right.

A (7:51)

I don't know. What's the ratio? 16 by 9? No, you mean.

B (7:55)

You mean. So Quibi was 100% vertical.

A (7:57)

100% vertical. And it was. Yeah, this idea that if you're going to be watching it on the subway and in transit and you can't really sit down for the full viewing experience, maybe you make something that's just tighter and more native to the way people are viewing it. And they did a huge. They got a huge amount of money and they took some big swings for narratives and they had huge actors in these basically Quibi shows.

B (8:22)

Yeah, Chrissy Teigen is Judge Judy. That's the one. I remember.

A (8:26)

They had that for sure.

B (8:27)

Yeah. Yeah. That seemed like a terrible idea. Like, why. Why was Chrissy Teigen Judge Judy? Why wasn't Judge Judy Judge Judy?

A (8:35)

But for Quibi, everyone had. Everyone had basically any idea that had been rejected by the town. Quibi was like, we'll take it. It's true. Like, Kevin Hart was like, you know, I thought of this idea once while I was wakeboarding in Saint Tropez, and I really haven't thought about it. And it's just like three words. They were like, kevin, say less. We're in.

B (9:01)

Do you think. Do you think it's because there was no creator element? Like, when I think of literally what I just said about YouTube shorts, you could put shorter videos on Netflix and still watch it. Like. Like what? I don't understand what the point of Quibi was if they're like, if there wasn't a creator element. Like, you could post your own eight minutes to a Quibby for people to see. Like, it. Like, I don't think it was the point.

A (9:29)

It wasn't creator forward. It was taking every streaming platform and taking curated content that was well financed, well developed, like the traditional Hollywood pipeline, but creating it for a vertical and making it. I think they were like 8 to 10 minute bite size episode. Quick bite Quibi. But I wonder it. Yeah, it's a really. Because here's the thing, right? I've heard people say I've been rewatching the Sopranos on Instagram reels, or I'm rewatching Break, because someone will literally cut up the clips and they're already there and they get sucked into the episode because it's so damn good no matter what format. And they're like, I'm. I'm already here. I think that was the idea. If it's good enough, people will get sucked in and they'll be glad that it's so easy.

B (10:16)

Interesting. Yeah, I could never. I mean, you talk about screen time. It's just too close. Just too much. I don't know. I like a tv. I guess that's failed. I like a TV and I hate vertical. Sorry. Like, I know we use it, it's fine. But like, really good film can't be vertical. There's just not enough room.

A (10:36)

It's so funny because during, like the Quibi sort of ramp up in 2018, 2019, it was when I was shooting some vlogs with David Dobrik, and I remember that Quibi was courting David. Like, I had never seen, like, the amount of flowers and packages showing up at his house from Quibi. And ready Nickelodeon. I'm like, wow, guys, you might be missing the demographic here. David's a little bit edgier than the Nickelodeon audience. And I just remember, like, seeing all these things show up from Nickelodeon and I was like, I hate this company. It was like, never, never have they sent me or Drake or anyone else in that lexicon anything ever.

B (11:19)

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B (13:58)

Speaking of Nickelodeon and your favorite place in the world, Canada, I read recently that Nickelodeon Canada is shutting down. Thoughts? Thoughts. As a Canadian adjacent and a former Nickelodeon man, I think Canada is my.

A (14:12)

I think Canadian is my end game. Who cares?

B (14:16)

Yeah, I agree, right? By the way, it was so funny. The headline was Nickelodeon Shutting Down Forever. And so of course I read it and then it's like only in Canada. I'm like, fudge you. Okay, enough of this clickbait bullshit. You don't even make any money on Instagram. If I have to scroll to the Caption, right? At least you could have buried it in an article. But the fact that you made me stop, scroll, open the caption just to read that it was only Canada. No good. No good. And it wasn't even an account that I followed the suggested no good. I'm out on Instagram suggested.

A (14:47)

There's a couple things that. Oh yeah, Instagram suggested. This is like a Jehovah's Witness at your door.

B (14:54)

Like, yes, we. We literally have. I'll send you some of the videos later. Me, Brian, Kelly, Claudia and Taylor. Taylor Strecker and her wife, Taylor Donahue, have this chat where Brian has poisoned, poisoned our algorithm. Poisoned. Because he will find just like the worst videos you've ever seen. Like, truly, we're not talking thousand pound sisters, we're talking like 10,000 pound sisters, like eating the sand on the beach. He'll send it to us once. And that's all. That's my whole algorithm. So literally every single video back and forth is just more grotesque than the next Instagram's. Instagram suggested polls from videos that people sent you, regardless if you care about it or not. And a lot of it just is, at least for me. Overweight porn. What does that say about me? Overweight porn.

A (15:44)

Perfect. More. More. More to learn, honest.

B (15:47)

Honestly, maybe it's a perfect algorithm.

A (15:49)

So in closing of the. The Jeffrey Katzenberg of it all, I heard that he would take meetings and he would schedule like three breakfasts and three lunches, and they would all be meeting. So he would have like a 7am, a 9am and a 1030. And at each one he would eat a little something. You know, maybe he'd start with like coffee and some fruit, and then he'd have like some eggs. And then at the third one, I don't know, a Danish. Because he felt like people were more relaxed if the meeting was over food and there was something to focus on and he wanted to put people at ease. What do you think of that?

B (16:25)

I think that that's definitely a good tactic. It's a less serious meeting. If it's over food, you can be a little bit less. You can pull down your guard. Right. That said, is he having that meeting at the same restaurant with three different people back to back to back? Like he's sitting at a table. No, he's meeting people. Because I hate when people do that. There's nothing worse than a person that perceives themselves to be very important. They invite you to lunch somewhere and you watch somebody get up from their table and you sit down at their Seat. Have you ever had that? Like, I, I hate that. Like, that is like the polar opposite. It's like you care, you care so little that you can't dedicate just, just one lunch, one lunch to me. I can't get a lunch. Otherwise we don't have to meet in person. Yeah, I think eating is disarming for sure. And delicious. And you're probably gonna pick it up. Like, I go to lunch with Jeffrey Katzenstein. I know he's picking it up.

A (17:25)

Stop semiticing his name.

B (17:27)

What did I say?

A (17:28)

Katzenstein.

B (17:29)

Sorry.

A (17:33)

If I go to lunch with Jeffrey Katzenjo.

B (17:38)

That's funny. That's funny. Freudian slip.

A (17:42)

I, yeah. You know, as an adult, I think I've now really blocked out a lot of my late teens and early twenties for good reason. But I, I, I, I had so many meetings where you'd go in and, and you would be meeting for a part and you would literally show up at the Chateau Marmont, which if the director wanted to have a meeting there, it meant they were either a douchebag or douchebag adjacent. And you would just show up there and you would see the other actor who you see all the time beating you out for parts, having the meeting before you, and then you're 40ft away and their knees slapping, joking around, having their good old laughs. Literally the directors define. And then they leave and you literally just have to walk up and be like, hello. Like, let's now recreate this conversation that you've just had a dozen times before this. And it's the worst.

B (18:45)

No good. That's terrible. That's absolutely terrible. Is there any, is there any, like, trying to think of how to phrase this, like, in terms of the order when you go in for an audition, are they giving you a time to show up? Or it's like, show up between these times. And if you go first, do you think you have a better chance of getting a part than if you go last or if you go last? Like, is there any psychology around that?

A (19:10)

I love. I mean, I think this is Actor Inside baseball, but I love talking about it because this is all we think about. Yes, there is a time. Yes, it's important because in theory, like, the days are really stacked. It's like a doctor working at a clinic, right? Like, they want to give you more time, but they really need to get you in and out in 15 minutes if they're going to see as many people. And if you think about a well financed movie or television show, like, it's not crazy to see I don't know if you're doing a week of auditions, like 30 people a day, 40 people. So I mean, in a 10 hour day, that means you need to literally knock out four people an hour. And they're probably trying to get six to eight. So it's, it's a wild process. I don't know if first or last is better. I've certainly, I've had it both ways. I've been the guy who went in first and they were like, so great. And for days are like so great, so great. And then you just know someone randomly came in at 4 o' clock on a Thursday and was a little better. And so great goes to. Yeah, we're, you know, we're, we're gonna go in a different direction.

B (20:17)

I just think like recency bias is such a thing. Like if I heard something from you last week that was really, really smart, I've forgotten about it this week. Once you tell me something even smarter, like, whatever, maybe it's just me. Whatever I heard most recently is what I'm gonna go with. So if I was a casting agent, if the last person on the last day was amazing and blew my socks off, it's theirs. Stinks, but it's theirs. That's just the way my brain works. Hopefully not every casting agent is as scatterbrained as me. And hopefully they just take great notes and go back and are diligent about the process, but couldn't be me.

A (20:55)

I find I shank callbacks and screen tests. Like, I'm great in a first audition. And then when they're like, they do like you. It's like when you get. Have you ever. I'm one of those guys who gets a strike in bowling in the next frame. Double gutter.

B (21:11)

No, by the way, I'm sorry, I'm big turkey. I go full turkey. I'm strike, strike, strike. But then I will have those. I won't get a spare for five frames. No idea. We got to work on that. You should be better the second time because you should be looser. Like your guards down, you know, they like you. Like all the pressure is now off. Or maybe you need the pressure. Maybe that's what it is. You thrive under pressure. And when there's less pressure. Wow. Very interesting.

A (21:39)

I don't know, I don't know what the. I remember once I got incredibly close to something that was like, turned out to be one of the biggest shows. And I've talked about it before and my first audition was they were literally like, you know, when you're going for a screen test, you start to get these calls from, like, the showrunner or even the casting. When. When you can tell that you're in the pole position. Is that the correct term? When you're like, first up. Like, there's already a hierarchy before the test?

B (22:12)

I have no idea, but it sounds good. Pole position. First position.

A (22:16)

First position's different, but yeah, like, basically, yeah, there's already.

B (22:20)

You're slotted. You're slotted. You're. You're looking good.

A (22:24)

You. So there's already like this hierarchy. When you walk into a screen test and you're going in front of the network, right. And. And if you're the guy that the team, the creative team wants, what they might surround you with is a bunch of schmos because they want to make you look even better. And so that it's just a clear choice, the network goes, are you kidding me? Of course. Him. And they're like, we know.

B (22:46)

Interesting. Yeah. And I've been a schmo. Interesting.

A (22:51)

I've been the schmo.

B (22:53)

So fascinating. Such a game. Cat and mouse game. Wow. I also hate. Just because you brought it up, there's nothing worse than somebody on a team telling you that they want you or they think you'd be great when they have no decision making power. It's like the radiologists telling you what's wrong with you after they've seen your mri when they're not qualified to tell you what's wrong and they just create these, like, crazy fears and the doctor tells you you're fine. Weird analogy, I know, but. Yeah. I just feel like people who don't have decision making power should no longer tell you that they think you're great for a part because it only gets hopes up. No. Like, how many times does that happen to you? I think you're great, Josh. You're in the running. Sorry. No. Because it wasn't that person's choice.

A (23:38)

It's all, you know what I like.

B (23:40)

I think you're great for every part. It's not my choice.

A (23:43)

God bless you. I, you know, 25 years of doing it, I've really made my piece with it. Is that when I get an audition, I feel like I've done the work in which I can really figure out what my take is on this thing and do the best version of it the way I think it should be done.

B (24:01)

Here.

A (24:01)

You. You are paying me. You're not really paying me, but you're paying for this space.

B (24:06)

Right?

A (24:06)

So I'm coming in on your Dollar. You've rented a office. You're, you know, you're here, and you want to find the right guy in theory. And so my job is to come in and be like, listen, I worked hard. I interpreted the writing. Here's my opinion on how this should be done. And then it's up to you to be, like, close. But try this or that or, no, it's not right. We want Miles Teller. And I'll be like, why am I here?

B (24:30)

Just offer it to Miles. Oh, my God. Why am I here?

A (24:37)

Like, oh, man. I can't say his name, but I saw this fuck. And not Miles Teller, this other kid who I go up against for roles at this audition the other week. And I was, like, driving in, and I'm like, I'm about to book this, and I saw his face, and I'm like, no, I'm not. And I didn't get it. And I don't know if he got it. I don't even want to look like.

B (24:58)

There's gotta be, like, a way to sabotage, though. Like, if, you know you're going up against somebody, is there ever just the thought, like, I don't know, like, send them a. Send them a doordash, a little salmonella or, like, something, you know, like, you know that you're, like, in the running. Like, is there, I don't know, trying to think what else you could do, Like. Like, fleece the valet guy to lose his car or, like, something to make him late.

A (25:23)

Maybe you get. You can. Maybe you can do a phone app that can beam to their phone. Like a natural emergency. You know those emergency alerts? Like, he's about to go in to do his callback, and he goes, oh, my God, the second tower was hit.

B (25:40)

Yeah. No, it's not good. We need to book more roles. We need to book more roles. A little shaky. That one might be a little shaky. We. We need to book more roles. You're walking in, all of a sudden, you send an AMBER Alert that you just kidnapped his sister. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Your mother's in the hospital.

A (26:01)

Yeah.

B (26:01)

Leave now. Yeah. Like, I love it.

A (26:03)

Like, oh, my God, Trump. Pardon, Diddy. Like, we got the fuck out of here.

B (26:12)

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A (29:45)

You think Trump's going to pardon Diddy or Ghislaine Max?

B (29:49)

No, I'm positive he's not. I take all. I get all of my news from 50 Cent's Instagram, and 50 Cent doesn't think that's going to happen. And 50 Cent is P. Diddy's number one enemy. So, yeah, I don't know. I think I trust 50 Cent. He doesn't talk about things that he doesn't know.

A (30:06)

50 Cent is the man.

B (30:08)

The man. He's so successful across everything he's ever touched. Okay, you think about music. Unbelievable. Vitamin water.

A (30:16)

Unreal.

B (30:17)

Vitamin water.

A (30:19)

Unreal.

B (30:20)

And then he just, like. He's just like a master brander. Like, he, like, picks all these fights just so that he can promote his alcohol. He'll, like, write like. Like, Diddy's a loser. Hashtag, whatever. The name of his current whiskey is, like, Le Meducci, La Roma or whatever. And it's like, that has nothing to do with you talking about Diddy, but you got eyeballs on it. Now all of a sudden, you're driving them to your whiskey. I love him. I love him. I would love to have him on the podcast if Curtis is interested. You Think people call him Curtis.

A (30:48)

I think we should.

B (30:50)

We should write Curtis.

A (30:51)

Mr. Curtis. Kurt.

B (30:54)

Before we.

A (30:54)

Dirt. Sorry, dirt.

B (30:56)

McCurd is good. Before we transition. I know it's a little bit dated, but I haven't been able to ask you your opinions on this Sydney Sweeney drama.

A (31:03)

It's a. I guess when it comes out it will be. But yeah, I'd love to talk about it.

B (31:08)

Tell me just be just. Because I'm sure that everybody has seen it by now, but is it American Eagle? Is that the brand?

A (31:14)

Believe so, yeah. Yeah.

B (31:15)

American Eagle did a campaign with Sydney Sweeney, who's very. Who's just generally regarded as a very good looking woman and wrote that like the tagline was, she has great genes. Right.

A (31:29)

J E have great genes.

B (31:31)

J E A N S. And obviously a play on words to she has great genes because she's beautiful. And people. First of all, people were furious. I don't know if they were actually furious or this is one of those like loud minorities that are furious. And then people said that it was like anti Semitic or something and like Aryan adjacent. Talking about how somebody has good clean genes. And all I have to say is what are you fucking nuts? This is a genius marketing campaign. Genius. And the fact that it went so, it went so viral because people are so dumb. Right? Because people pointed out that like the, the jeans versus jeans. That's why it was posted everywhere. I don't know. I thought the marketing campaign was amazing and I'm sure it will lift the entire brand because I don't remember the last time I heard American Eagle. And believe me, people are buying American Eagle jeans.

A (32:25)

Yeah. This is like if Billabong popped off.

B (32:28)

Yeah. Literally, it's nuts. Literally, it's nuts. And it's amazing. It, it probably it will crush for them. I just thought it was so interesting and it's like people don't have anything better to do and get upset over this.

A (32:41)

But here's the truth, right? Trump didn't release the Epstein files and we're already forgetting. You think they're gonna remember this?

B (32:53)

By the way? Nobody is forgetting. Every single. If you open up the comment section on Instagram, every single comment is, okay, cool, where are the files? And I'm like, can you. I actually, I want them to forget. I'm like, can you shut the fuck up? And then it will circle back around when something can get released. Like, we need to release them, of course. But like saying on Instagram, okay, cool. Like under Ina Garten posts a recipe. Okay, cool, release the file. I doesn't have the files.

A (33:22)

So you think.

B (33:24)

By the way, you think.

A (33:25)

Can you imagine?

B (33:26)

My God. No, I can't.

A (33:28)

I just baked the files into these triple Dutch chocolate brownies.

B (33:33)

How easy? How easy is that? Oh, my God.

A (33:40)

I've got my own Jeffrey at home.

B (33:43)

She. She uses the files as, like, parchment paper. And you just see us, like, see the files under a nice apple crisp, you see the end of a name that you can't make out the beginning.

A (33:54)

And right here next to Bill Gates is this cupcake I made called Dutch Vanilla Swirl.

B (34:00)

How easy is that?

A (34:03)

I. Yeah, I think if they did plan it with American Eagle, it is a brilliant marketing tactic. They've already put out a response and didn't apologize. And worse, I think it's just going to keep it moving and make the. The ad spend quadruple what they would have spent.

B (34:21)

It's such a good ad. It's such a good double entendre. I'm such a huge fan and, like, we've gotten away from bold marketing because everybody is so scared. And, like, I miss bold marketing. I think I sent you this. I don't know if you opened it, but the Chili's. The old Chili's commercial audio. Did I send that to you? I want my baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back ribs. Did I send you that?

A (34:44)

No.

B (34:45)

Okay, I'm gonna send it to you. It's one of the greatest things I've ever seen. And I don't know why I'm drawing a parallel here, but, like, we just don't hear jingles like that anymore. We don't push the envelope. We don't do anything. We're just boring. It's just boring. Everything is so boring.

A (35:00)

I see. I. Mark Maron, who I'm the biggest fan of, just had his new special come out on hbo, and he just said, you know, everyone's screaming about, oh, you know, we're losing free speech. No, we're not. There's just consequence. And people go, yeah, that's the part I don't like. Like, no one got thrown in jail for anything they ever said, ever. It's just that for a while, people were hypersensitive to it, and there was. There was pushback on it, but I don't think it's so boring.

B (35:28)

You don't think ads are boring?

A (35:30)

I think in general, like, I guess it felt like you were saying something more of, like, the bigger. Because I feel like we debate about this sometimes, and I just think in general, like, yeah, it definitely went into, like, a super Safe saccharine zone for a couple of years. But I think it's coming back in a great way.

B (35:48)

I think traditional media, which is what I meant, I think like actual advertisements have gotten so unbelievably boring and that we just don't push the envelope the way that we once did. And I think that we've gotten rid of just like fun and color and like everything is just so bleak. Like even on all redesigns, like the one that's popping into my head is Jaguar. Like they got canceled for it, which is hilarious. But like they took like an iconic, beautiful brand and they made it so minimalist. Like Chili's, for example. I used that example. They went from I want my baby back ribs to something so boring. Like, I just, like, I don't know, I just think that like it's, it's safe. It's, it's, it's much easier to be safe than it is to go and push the envelope and do something fun and funny. And I just feel like traditional media doesn't do that anymore. I wasn't commenting on like creators or celebrities or any or cancel culture. I do think that they've started to play it safe as a result too, because it's not worth getting canceled over. And I think the, the pendulum has shifted back a little bit. I think we're in like a post cancel culture era that's a little bit more enjoyable. But yeah, I, I don't disagree with you.

A (36:57)

Yeah, I think in general most of these, because you'll see these comedians that will start to hang their hat on. Like I'm the anti woke comedian and I'm like, how boring. Like, just be funny, like, and be smart. I've never seen anyone canceled for something that's actually funny ever.

B (37:14)

Ever. Yeah, the, yeah, the, like the true gold standard of this is Shane Gillis. Like whether you like him or not, I think he is hysterical. But whether you like him or not, he said so many things that could be cancelable, but he's just too funny to be canceled. Like he was canceled by snl, right? And became like literally the biggest comedian in the world because he's so funny. He gets invited to the ESPYs and is so funny and they're writing about how terribly controversial his jokes are about the wnba, but they're in the same breath saying how funny they are. So yeah, only really, only really not funny jokes truly get canceled now. Like, if it wasn't funny, then that's on you.

A (37:57)

Totally.

B (37:59)

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A (42:06)

Should we get to a story? We should.

B (42:08)

God, so much upfront banter. We had so much to say this morning.

A (42:12)

Wow, we clearly did well. Did you know that birth control pills for men that temporarily stop sperm without hormones passes safety trial?

B (42:22)

Woo. Let's go, Josh G. Let's get it. Let's do it, bros. Yeah. I'm out. You can't make me take it.

A (42:38)

Men might finally get a chance to bench their swimmers. A first of its kind, male birth control pill just cleared its first human safety test, raising hopes that it could soon open the door to a new era of contraception. Can I get in these trials or what?

B (42:57)

All right. That's cool. But yeah, I have no interest. If Paige went to you and said, I want you to take this semen reducing pill. Would you do it?

A (43:05)

I would just get a vasectomy.

B (43:07)

Yeah.

A (43:09)

And instead of taking medicine every day, I'd rather just.

B (43:11)

I. I completely agree. Yeah. So what. So what's the purpose of this if.

A (43:17)

You'Re not married with kids?

B (43:19)

Got it. But if you don't want. If you don't. Yeah, I guess so. But couldn't you. Can't you reverse a vasectomy? Like, why don't you just get a vasectomy for like, a couple of years until you meet the right person to reverse it?

A (43:30)

You're tripping.

B (43:32)

You're wild.

A (43:33)

You can't do that. Well, I'm going through. I'm going through cougar puberty. How it's better and worse than my teen years. That's wild. 2025 has seen Max pivot. Back to HBO Max and Gen Z rebrands. Extended lease. What?

B (43:51)

New York Post.

A (43:53)

Get it together. The hormonal roller coaster known as menopause is getting a flashy revamp. Move over for jj. Cougar puberty is clawing its way into Suburban Dictionary. Just don't try to say it 10 times fast. The hysterical new expression wasn't concocted in a boardroom by a group of suits looking a hawk. Leopard styled hand fans. Wow. This article sucks. Thanks. Okay, let's chat. CPT it. They've rebranded menopause as cougar puberty.

B (44:31)

Okay.

A (44:31)

Done.

B (44:33)

Done. I like it.

A (44:35)

New York.

B (44:36)

I love the. I love the term cougar. It's fantastic.

A (44:40)

Cougs, right? Yeah.

B (44:43)

How old do you have to be to be a cougar? Only women can be cougars, right? What's the male form of a cougar predator. Whoa. Okay, cool. Very co.

A (45:01)

My wife pulled a humiliating prank at our wedding. Now I want to punch everyone in the face. He went under the bride's dress and couldn't get over what happened next. A groom's big day turned into doomsday after his new wife and a few friends pulled a trashy trick that destroyed his trust in the marriage and left him humiliated. Wife says I need to get over it, but I can't. Obsessing over a prank that ruined my wedding experience and left me furious, the newlywed explained that the wedding planner convinced his bride and buddies to blindfold him for the garter belt toss. It's a risque, controversial tradition during which the groom sexily removes an article of the bride's undergarments with his hands, tongue, or teeth and throws it to a group of unmarried Men for sport. But this guy's garter ordeal wasn't all fun and games. Sitting in the chair in place of my wife, my groomsman was in shorts with the garter around his thigh. He whined, my wife behind him and was talking to me. As they walked me over to keep.

B (45:58)

Me.

A (46:02)

On their instructions, I got down on my knees and began reaching for what I thought were my wife's legs. Once I found the leg, I found the garter and began pulling it down. But at that moment, I heard my wife saying, with your mouth. With your mouth. He had no clue they'd swapped his sweetheart for a dude.

B (46:20)

Oh my God. That is nasty and so funny. Wow. I love that. Excellent. That's an excellent prank. And it means that she's funny, she's fun. That's great. I love it. I'm all in.

A (46:34)

I just don't know how he didn't know immediately by just starting to touch the leg that it wasn't his wife.

B (46:40)

I mean, we got to see a.

A (46:42)

Picture of his wife.

B (46:43)

I don't know.

A (46:43)

True that.

B (46:44)

I don't know. We got to, we got to know. I don't know. Maybe she's a big grizzly bear.

A (46:48)

Yeah.

B (46:48)

But who knows? Yeah, I would assume that his wife's leg is probably smaller and less hairy than his male friends.

A (46:57)

Hopefully.

B (46:58)

I don't know. Each their own. No clue.

A (47:01)

Should we get to a speak pipe?

B (47:03)

Sure.

A (47:03)

If you want to leave us a message, get some advice, go to speakpipe.com goodguys don't give us your woody nuts'. They're not great. And keep it brief. Brevity's key. Let's hear from Anonymous.

C (47:15)

Hi, Ben and Josh Moron here. Love you guys so much. You make me giggle every day. You make me so happy listening to you guys go back and forth. So just thank you for all you do. Quick question. I just started my GLP1 journey about three weeks ago. I'm feeling good, I'm feeling hopeful, I'm excited for this journey, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, what's your advice for kind of handling friends who have judgment towards these so called, you know, miracle drugs? I think it's going to be helpful to a lot of people. Some people don't agree with it, but how do you kind of. I'm just trying to get a gauge of like how to bring it up in conversation. If people ask like, what are you doing? What do you like? Do I owe it to anybody or is it just something where I just got to stay in my lane and kind of Just like tune out all the outside noise and focus on myself. Just wondering how you guys kind of dealt with it or like how it was when you started or things. Any, any, any advice that you have and ready to get skinty and.

A (48:13)

All right, honey, I've, I've had enough.

B (48:17)

Wrap it up. Okay, first of all, congrats on your journey, Josh. I really hope that, like, in 20 years there isn't a class action against GLP1s because we're screwed. We've. We've gotten so many people to start taking GLPs. No, it's pretty, they're, they're pretty amazing. I think it depends on the type of person that you are. I am a self deprecating person by nature, so I've always leaned into it that way. Like somebody will ask me like, or like, say, like, oh, you look skinny. I'm like, oh, yeah. Like it's the shot. Like I'm, I'm very upfront about it. I don't know, it's just. That's what I do. Maybe it's a defense mechanism. I wouldn't lie because eventually it will come out and you don't want it to seem like you're ashamed of it because you're not. So I wouldn't lie.

A (49:04)

What if people were critical about it to you? I think that's what she's asking too.

B (49:09)

It's not their business. It's your body. People should let you do what you think is right. I would also have the proper data behind it for when somebody says to you, it's for diabetics. Shut up. Okay? Shut up. Increased supply, new meds, not necessarily for diabetics. So I'd like you have those facts. But yeah, if you're really on it and you go to dinner, people are gonna know you're on it because you're not going to eat anything. Like, I can spot nozempic user from a mile away. We'll go to dinner and they'll have half their appetizer. I'm like, are you, are you ill? No. You're on Ozempic?

A (49:47)

Yeah. I think it's nothing to be ashamed of. And it'll only become the norm as long as some crazy side effects don't pop out over the next couple decades. And yeah, it's no one's business.

B (50:00)

It's no one's business. That's the, that's the, the spark notes. Remember Spark notes?

A (50:05)

Sure.

B (50:06)

God.

A (50:07)

Do you know what Cliff Notes were.

B (50:09)

Sure, yeah. You know how many books I didn't read? Because those existed.

A (50:14)

By the way, you could probably write a spark notes for every book written and get the gist.

B (50:21)

Yeah. By the way, chat is probably a walking spark notes. I wonder if you write give me a full summary of just a random book. They can give it to you in six seconds for sure. Wow, technology. These kids are so lucky.

A (50:36)

My friend Tony does this and I think it's great when someone. I've learned it's a stoic virtue that you don't have to have an opinion on everything. Especially when you feel slighted or people are being nosy about something they have no business talking to you about. Like GLP1. But my friend Tony does this. He goes. If there's something I could tell he doesn't like, he just goes like this and then he just moves on. If you can take the air out of something. Yeah, it's pretty powerful.

B (51:06)

Agreed. Agreed. So don't get emotional or defensive. I totally agree with you. Very powerful.

A (51:13)

Next one's from Gracie.

C (51:17)

Hi, good guys. Recent more on here. I started listening a few months ago after discovering the toast. I love you guys so much. Anyways, I am 24 and I moved to Nashville last year and reconnected with a one of my cousin's good friends from high school who identifies as a gay male. And we just instantly became very close friends, hit it off, did everything together. He touched on a couple times that he was maybe struggling a little bit with his sexuality and had dated girls in the past, but as far as I knew, he was actively pursuing med and was identifying as gay male. So anyways, about six months into the relationship, he sends me a text saying, what would you think about going on a date with me? And at first I was like, this has got to be a joke, right? Like, there's no way. Well, with further investigation, no, he was very interested in me and this just shocked me so bad and I'm so confused about it because, you know, he can identify as whatever he wants. I love him, but like, I feel like this is really turned the friendship on its head. I. I don't know how to approach it. I don't know how to go about it because I'm not interested in him that way. I never thought about him that way. And I'm kind of struggling with whether or not our friendship is kind of tainted or over with or how should I approach it. Anyways, I would love you guys thoughts. Thank you so much.

B (52:41)

This guy is sneaky. Living in the year 3000. Yeah, you can take off your shirt in front of me. I'm gay. Meanwhile, he's not fucking.

A (52:51)

Dude, for you, babe.

B (52:55)

Oh, you. You have something that you need inspected. I'm fine. I'm gay.

A (53:01)

Just over here on Grindr.

B (53:04)

Yeah, don't worry about it. I'm gay. No issues. Just give me all your old underwear. I'll donate it to Goodwill. I'm gay.

A (53:11)

How long do you think it'll take for the meme of me going just here on Grindr to overtake the Internet and haunt me for life?

B (53:21)

It's good. It's good. All virality is good. All right, so your friend. Your friend was never gay. You don't. Can you really say that you've been played? Yeah. Josh, you can't just, like, unless so tough. Unless this person was always bi or maybe just, like, developed. You can't just randomly develop sexual feelings.

A (53:46)

Sure you can.

B (53:47)

You think so?

A (53:48)

People come out way later in life after being in marriages with kids.

B (53:52)

No, but he already came out. He's gay. This is the equivalent, Josh, of you coming to me and asking me to go on a date.

A (54:01)

Right, but what if I. Right.

B (54:02)

And that happens, even if it's okay? That was actually a bad example, because he's gone back. It's the equivalent of somebody who came out as gay. I guess they could go back. All right. I guess it's possible. But it's really hard for her. I. I sympathize with her that it's definitely very tough on the relationship. Like, this person that you felt was completely platonic, that you treated like a brother or a sister. It's like your sister coming and saying that they have feelings for you. It's just like. It would give me the willies for a minute, for sure.

A (54:33)

Well, I think there's nothing to be done, because it will. Either the relationship will either fall away or you guys will face this. I don't think there's anything like you have to do on your side. And from what I know, being, you know, like, we've had the great Ian Finance on the podcast Comedian who's Spy and Is. You can really fall in love with a person. And there are just some people who, you know, gender isn't the leading sort of driver for attraction. It's. It really comes down to the person, and that can be male or female or however they present. So I would say give him the benefit of the doubt, but if you're not interested in him, that's really what takes precedence.

B (55:15)

I agree with you. You can fall in love with a person for sure.

A (55:18)

What are you nuts?

B (55:20)

Yeah. We should.

A (55:21)

Okay. Our what are you nuts? Moment of the week are gripes with people, places and things both big and small. Whatever is sticking in your Cara. Yesterday, my son comes up to me and he goes, hey, dad. And I go, yeah. He goes, I, I, I'm like. He's like, I dropped a pair of socks down the toilet. I'm like, thank you for coming to me. Thank you for not hiding this also. What are you nuts? He was like, I just. And I'm like, did you just want to see what happens? And he goes, no, I just had him in my hand and now they're, they're down the pipe. So to my son, Max, I love you. And I say, what are you nuts? Socks. I, I own.

B (56:07)

He flushed them.

A (56:09)

A pair of socks. Yes. And they're rolled up for sure. And pipes are still working. But I don't want to even imagine what will happen one day. That's gonna cost me thousands.

B (56:19)

Yeah. Yeah, that's tough. What are you nuts? Bad. My Woody and nuts is. Did you know that BJ's was like Costco? They're basically the same place.

A (56:29)

Sam's Club, BJ's.

B (56:31)

So I guess I was ordering on Instacart and I cooked a beautiful taco feast last night. And I ordered some stuff from Bee Gees and I just added Carolina white rice. I just added white rice. It didn't say the size, but I assumed, Josh, he had white rice. I just thought it was a regular pack of rice. Even if it was like a BJ's Costco size rice, right? What is that, 3 pounds? Like? It's bigger, right? Josh? The bag that showed up at my door was a 25 pound bag of white rice. 25 pounds? What are you nuts? Who needs this amount of rice? And it's in the same exact material as a smaller bag where you have to cut open the side and you have no way of sealing it. Nobody's eating 25 pounds worth of rice in one sitting. Have it be like resealable at a minimum. Now I just have like this open thing of rice. I know it's going to spill all over the floor. What are you nuts? £25. Too many pounds.

A (57:31)

Take us home.

B (57:31)

You know what else is too many pounds, Josh? I don't know. You know what else is a what are you nuts? Not giving us five stars. Listen to us. Wherever you get your podcasts, watch us on YouTube, share our clips Instagram and TikTok Mondays and Thursdays, folks. We will see you next time.

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