279: Fins & Flippers

Summary

Good Job, Brain! – Episode 279: Fins & Flippers (November 21, 2024)

Host: Karen Chu
Guests: Bill & Danny (Escape This Podcast)
Theme: Trivia and wordplay stemming from “Fins & Flippers,” with segments ranging from quiz shows to deep dives on swimwear history, pinball, and aquatic animal trivia.

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into the many meanings of “fins” and “flippers,” featuring a lively banter-filled trivia session, fascinating history lessons, and creative quizzes that hop from coin denominations to swimwear, pinball machines, and famous aquatic creatures. Special guests Bill and Danny from Escape This Podcast add their comedic expertise and broad trivia knowledge, making the show a fast-paced, funny, and cerebral ride for trivia enthusiasts.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Opening: Trivial Pursuit Showdown (00:16–09:20)

• Karen, Bill, and Danny warm up with both American and Australian Trivial Pursuit cards, demonstrating their trivia chops and rapport.
• Notable Questions:
  • Geography: Trafalgar Square’s lions.
  • Pop Culture: Janis Joplin at Woodstock.
  • History: Reagan appointing Sandra Day O’Connor.
• Quote:
  • “Their massive backs have endured thousands of butts.” – Karen (02:42)

2. Segment One: “Fins or Flippers”—Demonym or Denomination? (11:03–28:23)

An original nine-question quiz by Bill. Players must deduce if a given word is a currency or a demonym (what you call people from a place). The quiz is rife with clever fakery and curveballs:

Key Quiz Highlights:

• Vincentian: Person from St. Vincent, not a Portuguese coin.

• Stater: Ancient Greek coin, not an American demonym.

• Daric: Gold coin from Darius I, not a Daria resident.

• Edo: Demonym from Nigeria, not a Japanese coin.

• Gay Header: Resident of Gay Head, MA, not a misprinted penny.

• Argentius: Roman coin, not a defunct Argentinian term.

• Running Joke: They keep second-guessing themselves.

• Quote:

  • “All my instincts want to say coin, which means I feel I must say... demonym.” – Danny (25:24)

• Fun Facts:

  • French Canada once used playing cards as currency (27:23)
  • Malay peninsula used animal-shaped tin currency, including crocodiles and tortoises (27:45)

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3. Segment Two: Pinball Machines & American Morality (28:23–38:29)

Karen shares the surprising legal history of the pinball machine, linking pinball “flippers” to historical panics and legal battles in the US.

Historical Highlights:

• Pinball was banned in major US cities, considered a game of chance and thus gambling.
• In 1942, NYC’s Mayor LaGuardia famously oversaw the destruction of pinball machines.
• Ban didn’t lift until 1976 after Roger Sharpe’s legendary “Babe Ruth” demonstration – predicting and making a specific shot during a city council hearing.
• Quote:
  • “What is up with people just having like… I'm watching children have fun. We have to put a stop to this.” – Bill (29:35)

Pinball Trivia:

• Earliest pinballs didn’t have flippers; games resembled pachinko.
• Unique machines: “Orbiter 1” (3D playfield), “Joust” (2-player).
• Licensing issues: Marilyn Monroe likeness replaced by "Lola" in the game Taxi.

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4. Segment Three: The Evolution of Swimwear (41:21–54:58)

Danny takes listeners through the historical evolution of what people wore for swimming—from ancient nudity to heavy Victorian garb to the modern bikini.

Progression Highlights:

• Ancient Greece/Rome: Swimming often done nude or with simple loincloths, banded tops for women.
• 13th–15th centuries: Church bans, gender segregation, winter meant no bathing.
• Victorian era: Modesty led to full-body, multi-layered costumes.
  • Quote:
    • “It was not unusual that 12 yards of material were required to construct this garment.” – Danny (48:27)
• Bathing Machines: Mobile changing huts that ferried bathers straight into the water for modesty (49:09).
• Early 1900s: Emergence of structured, practical suits; Annette Kellerman’s court case established the one-piece for women.
• 1920s–40s: Swimsuit pageants (Miss America), lessening restrictions, rayon and zippers introduced.
• WWII: Material shortages encourage skimpier suits, eventually leading to less regulation and the bikini.
• 1950s–70s: Experiments in paper and topless suits; separation into topless/nudist beaches.

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5. Final Segment: “Famous Fins” Quiz (56:16–66:40)

A grab bag aquatic-themed quiz asks about whales, selkies, AFL mascots, and mermaid goats.

Selected Questions & Answers:

• The terrible dogfish in Pinocchio is called Monstro in Disney’s version (56:56).
• “Cheep Cheeps” live in the Mushroom Kingdom (Mario) (58:04).
• In “Through the Looking Glass,” chapter 4 features the Walrus and the Carpenter poem (60:10).
• Selkies turn into seals (60:56).
• AFL bird teams: Swans, Crows, Magpies, Hawks, Eagles (62:05).
• The goat mermaid is Capricorn (64:16).
  • Quote:
    • “All those star signs are real wet. And that's just a wet goat.” – Bill (64:21)
• The psychic World Cup-predicting octopus was Paul (65:19).
• The Jaws theme’s iconic instrument is the tuba (66:40).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On being a trivia nut:
  • “Every room in my house has a stack [of Trivial Pursuit cards].” – Karen (06:11)
• On game show methodology:
  • “I have to George Costanza this. Just do the opposite.” – Bill (22:26)
• Nostalgia and exasperation:
  • “Karen, how often in the show do you just get tired of people existing? Come on, let people swim.” – Bill (51:42)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:16–09:20: Trivial Pursuit Warm-up (American and Australian questions)
• 11:03–28:23: "Fins or Flippers" demonym/currency quiz feat. bonus currency history
• 28:23–38:29: Pinball machines, US court cases, and weird machines
• 41:21–54:58: Swimwear history from antiquity to the modern era
• 56:16–66:40: Aquatic animal & "famous fins" quiz (Mario, selkies, AFL, Jaws, etc.)

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Tone & Style

Upbeat, witty, self-deprecating humor through friendly rivalry, good-natured jabs, and delight in the absurdity of both trivia questions and history. The hosts encourage listeners to “play along” and own their trivia hits and misses.

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Closing

• Plugs for Escape This Podcast: Audio escape rooms and murder mystery podcast, plus involvement in the “Rise of the Golden Idol” game sequel.
• Encouragement to visit GoodJobBrain.com and Airwave Media for more trivia nutrition.
• “Hope you learned stuff about bathing suits, about currency, about demonyms, about pinball machines and famous aquatic animals.” – Karen (69:49)

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Summary in a Nutshell

A rollicking episode filled with playful knowledge battles, fascinating historical rabbit holes, and a joy for obscure facts—all in the context of “fins” and “flippers,” whether you’re building a better bathing suit, playing illegal pinball in your candy store, or betting on extinct coinage. The Good Job, Brain! crew and guests deliver a trivia feast for the brain with warmth and wit.

Transcript

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You're listening to an Airwave Media podcast.

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Hello, great grinning grapplers who graze on griddle cakes and Pinot grigio. Welcome to Kajab Brain, your weekly quiz show and offbeat trivia podcast. This is episode 279. And. And of course, I'm your humble host, Karen. And we are your unusual and uncanny underclassman ungulates. Unusual, yes, because we have a few special guests joining us today for today's jolly fun time. Please, everybody welcome again Bill and Danny from Escape this podcast, our thunder from down under. Say hi, guys.

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Hello.

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Hello. Hello.

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I'm. I'm Bill.

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Not only are we here, we've kicked out Chris and Colin.

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Yeah, who needs them? They're dead weight. They're keeping this podcast from soaring. Soaring into the skies of trivia perfection. We're the wings. Picture me and Danny as two classic Wright brothers, wooden wings attached to the body of Karen Chu.

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I imagine my face like Thomas. Thomas the train, but I have, like, airplane propeller on my nose.

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Fan art. Fan art, please.

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Fan art, yes. If anyone wants to make some fan art of Karen the plane.

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I'm so grateful to see you guys. You guys are like some of my favorite people.

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I'm so glad that's being recorded. I'm keeping that.

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We have a big show today, so without further ado, let's jump into our first general trivia segment. Pop quiz, hotshot. Here I have a random American Trivial Pursuit card. I'm going to ask some questions. Bill and Danny, you will answer them with your buzzers.

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Oh, I got a buzzer.

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See if they work. All right, I will test out my buzzer.

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Perfect.

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Excellent.

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And. And here's mine.

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Here we go. Let's answer some questions. Blue Edge for geography, in which London Square are the four 20 foot tall London Landseer lions that tourists love to climb.

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My buzz is not done yet.

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I don't think you can hear a quack over that.

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Everyone heard that quack. Come in second. Trafalgar.

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Trafalgar. Their massive backs have endured thousands of butts.

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Oh, yeah.

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I think mine may have been one of them.

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Thousands. This seems. This seems conservative.

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Yeah, Millions of butts.

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Pink wedge for pop culture. Which bluesy singer got $7,500 for her Woodstock gig? Wowing the crowd with Piece of My Heart.

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Oh, oh. Music is yours, Bill?

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I don't know. Maybe like Joan Baez. Is that she old enough to be doing Woodstock? That's bluesy though, right? That's just very folksy.

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The first letter is kind of close.

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Joan Jet. Jennifer.

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And he just stole my best guess with Jennifer. Jump jar. So would you have known this if you got this? Karen?

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Yes. Piece of my heart. It's J.J. and Janice.

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Janice.

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Yeah.

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I didn't know.

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Bluesy. Come on, take it.

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Take another little Prison my heart now, baby. Oh, yeah. Woof.

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All right. Yellow wedge.

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Don't worry about it.

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Which U. S. President nominated Sandra Day o' Connor to be the first female justice on the Supreme Court?

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Oh, no. I don't know when that would have been.

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80S.

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Okay, if it's the 80s, I'm hoping it's Reagan.

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It is.

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There you go.

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Ronald Reagan. All right, Purple wedge. What author of the bleak poem the Wasteland was a practical joker who made good use of exploding cigars and whoopee cushions?

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Who's the silliest poet?

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What author of the bleak poem the Wasteland land was a practical joker?

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I'm blanking on every name I've ever known, Bill.

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I don't know. Percy Beast shelley.

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It is T.S. elliot.

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Really? T.S.

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Elliot? What's he doing with bleak poetry?

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He's writing about cats.

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Or cats. Green wedge for Santa. Nature. What are you afraid of if you suffer from acrophobia? Danny?

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Heights.

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Correct heights. And last question here. Orange wedge. What do participants wear in The South Pole 300 Challenge? A hot sauna to frigid air. Feet that boasts a 300 degree temperature change.

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Phil? Nothing.

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It's gotta be nothing, right?

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The answer is nothing but boots, so I'll give it to you.

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Aww. Yeah, I'll give that to me too. Just so it doesn't go to Danny.

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Nothing but boots.

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Woof. Well, we've done American Trivial Pursuit. Can I ask the honor of Australian.

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Trivial Pursuit for people who are wondering whether or not we should be on this show? When Karen said, do you have an Australian Trivial Pursuit card? Danny said, oh, Bill, it's in the top drawer. And I didn't have to get up from my seat. I just opened the drawer next to my computer and I had a box of Trivial Pursuit box.

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Not the whole Trivial Pursuit box. Just cards.

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Just the cards.

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Get out and ready.

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That's the kind of life we live. In case you're gatekeeping. Who's on? Good job, brain.

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Every room in my house has a stack.

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It's just hidden somewhere. All right, all right. Here we are.

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I hope you've picked a very Australian one.

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Blue for geography. Who is Sydney's airport named after?

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Is it not Mr. Sydney?

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Oh, I'm so sorry. It's not the Lord Sydney.

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That is Sir Charles Kingsford Smith.

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It is Search Aviator Smith.

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Oh, I don't know how much people know about him outside Australia. I had to give a speech on him in year three.

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Sorry. Say, Charles Kingford Smith.

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Kingsford Smith. They get far less Australian from this point on. Bruce Willis played boxer Butch Coolidge in what film?

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That is Pulp Fiction.

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That is Pulp Fiction. Yay. All right, yellow. Yellow wedge for history. Che Guevara was killed in 1967 while attempting to lead a revolution. In which country?

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I'm bad at knowing which countries he went to and came from.

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Bicycle diaries. They were.

[C]

I'm like, I hear the quack.

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Venezuela.

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Oh, I'm so sorry. That's incorrect.

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Save us the embarrassment.

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The answer is Bolivia. Okay, purple. I think you'll get this one. I don't think you'll have it. I don't think you'll have any issue at all. In fact, I'd buzz in now if I was you. Okay, good. What symbol takes its name from the Greek for little star? What symbol takes its name from the Greek for little star?

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Asterisk.

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Asterisk. Okay, everybody ready for this great green question that no one's gonna like? Or maybe you'll love it. Maybe you'll love it. Maybe people.

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It's my favorite question.

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This will be. They'll be like, wow, can you. Do you remember that episode where they asked this question? What kind of pencil has flatter sides to prevent it from rolling? Oh, oh, oh, oh. Karen.

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Carpenter's pencil.

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It's a carpenter's pencil.

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Some sort of tradesman.

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And then finally, the orange. What is the nickname of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, home of the Indianapolis 500?

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Oh, you said all the words I know to associate with that.

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Oh, what's the speed?

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What's the nickname of the speedway track?

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God, it does have a name. And I don't know what it is.

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I didn't know they had names in 1800s. And you're just outside of London and you've got a job to do. You'd go in here. You'd go there nowadays, too, but really, you'd be doing it in the 1800s. Oh, I've got to build a bunch of row houses. Luckily, I can help by going to this place and doing my job here in 1800s London, the.

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The smoke house.

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Yeah, smokestacks.

[C]

I'm so sorry. It's the brickyard. I'll look in the brickyard. I do. They're sending all me bricks up to Birmingham. They are. And they're building lines. Miles and miles of these houses.

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Sounding like Michael Kane.

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Oh, I wish I were Michael Caine. But he's not been born yet, you see, because it's 1872.

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All right, good job, brains. Thank you. For Australian Trivial Pursuit. This week's episode, actually, Danny had the honor of picking our topic.

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It was a lot of pressure. 277 other episodes, minus the all quizzes. There are a lot of things that you've discussed.

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Really is getting harder to. To. To pinpoint a topic, but you did a great job.

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Please. Thank you.

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Share what you chose for today's episode.

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Well, last time we were on, I went very animal focused, and I was definitely thinking of that. And of course, I'm always thinking about how much you know about sharks. So I can't ask shark questions. But that put my brain into the sea. And then from sea animals, I went with a phrase that seemed like it could fit that, but also has so many other meanings that hopefully there were loads of different directions that could be taken. And I hope we have done that. And so the phrase that I came up with was fins and flippers.

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So this week, thanks to Danny, it's fins and flippers.

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Okay, I've got the first segment, and I was thinking of Finn and flipper for a while, and my brain was trying to go to weird places. My first thought was, how about a Nordic gymnastic team? They're Finnish flippers. It's a fin or a flipper. You know, perfect. And then I. And then I got stuck on, like, flippers being coins. Like, you know, you have a coin flip.

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I also thought of that.

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I thought about going through different ways of, like, predicting things or betting on things or gambling games. And then in the end, the two ideas sort of merged. I. I had fin, but as a fin, and I had flipper, like a coin. And so I present to you my nine question quiz. Is this a coin or a countryman? Is it a demonym or a denomination? Is it a fin or a flipper?

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I get it.

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Oh, boy. I assume this will be teamwork and not gloves in 100%.

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This is a teamwork quiz. I have nine possible currencies or demonyms. A demonym is a word that describes people from a particular place. So fin would be a demonym for people from Finland. Sydney Cider is a demonym for people from Sydney. Oh.

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So what is it for Seattle?

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Seattle.

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Nice.

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Yeah. It's not as cool as, like, Liverpudlian.

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Liverpudlian.

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Novocastrian.

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Novocastrian. People from Newcastle.

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Nova. Castrian.

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Yeah. They get so fancy. Right?

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All Right. Number one, you are working together and you can get the quality of these questions from this first option.

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I'm scared.

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Vincentian. Vincentian. Is it a Portuguese coin featuring a depiction of Vincent of Saragossa, patron saint of Lisbon? Or a person who lives on the island of St. Vincent, which was named after Vincent of Saragossa?

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Oh, boy. If. If St. Vincent is like super old, like 1600 years old, then I totally believe that they would have named their currency after him. There are a couple of currencies named after people. Not many, but there are a couple out there. Do they still have, oh, extinct currencies? I assume you have no opposition to using those in this quiz, Bill, A.

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Lot of these currencies and demonyms are from lists of extinct countries and currencies.

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Well, if you're from St. Vincent, you probably would say saint. The saint would be in there. Maybe the name of the country.

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What do people from St. Louis call themselves?

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Saint Lunatics.

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Oh, well, that's not helpful at all. I'm happy to go with currency then, I think Currency. Let's just be bold. Where? Right.

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I feel like there was a lot of details.

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You think this is a Portuguese coin featuring a depiction of Vincent of Saragossa, the patron saint of Lisbon? I'm so sorry. This is a person who lives on the island of St. Vincent. It's a demonym.

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Okay.

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Why don't they build him the St.

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Christopher Columbus, the first European to reach the island, named it after St Vincent of Saragossa, whose feast day was the day that Columbus saw the island of St. Vincent. He just looked at whose feast day it was and he named it like that.

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That's how they named Dominica.

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Yeah, just like cuz it was Sunday.

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It's Sunday.

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It's Sunday.

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I think Christmas island got the same deal, didn't it?

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It's Christmas. All right, question two. What is a stator? S T A T E R stator. Is it an ancient Greek coin made from electrum and minted in the 8th century BC? Or is it an archaic name for someone from the US popularized in periodicals of the early 1800s.

[B]

That stater.

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They were states by then, weren't they? A couple of them. I like the idea of it being the demonym. I. My instincts want to say that it's the American.

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Doesn't seem like a Greek word.

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I've been doing Greek on Duolingo for a couple of years now. I have not come across this one.

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All right, let's go, Finn. Let's go. Demonym.

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Let's do it.

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Are you going deminym?

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Yep.

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I'm so sorry. The earliest known stamped stater is an electron turtle coin. It's got a turtle on it, struck at Aegina. That dates to about 650 BC. Before that they were ingots rather than coins and they were also sometimes silver instead of electric. I'm so sorry. You're over twos?

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No.

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Okay, but don't worry, we have a third question that you could get right. What do you think of Daric? D A R I C. Daric, Is this a person from the short lived kingdom of Daria from 1282 to 1302? Or an Achaemenid gold coin with a depiction of King Darius I.

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Flipper coin. Coin flipper.

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The kingdom of Daria does not exist. I made it up. Darius the first introduced a new thick gold coin which had a standard weight of 8.4 grams, equal to the value of 20 silver coins.

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Wow.

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They stopped using these coins after Alexander's the great's invasion in 330 BC where they were mostly melted down and recoined as coins of Alexander.

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Sure, we're on the board.

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Hey, you got it. You got a point. This is good. Next question. Edo. Edo, sure.

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Okay.

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Is this a large elliptoid coin that was issued In Japan in 1603 or a demonym for those who live in Edo? A state in South South Nigeria.

[B]

Oh, what is south not.

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Yeah, not south.

[A]

No, I got that. All right, so obviously you're here. Edo.

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This is a red herring.

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You think Japan. But Bill knows that we would know that.

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Yes.

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So you reckon we should go for the fin? South South Nigeria.

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Yeah, South South Nigeria.

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If you've made up South South Nigeria.

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Now look, I do want to tell you that Japan famously has had for a long time, specifically ovular coins, oval coins.

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Okay.

[C]

And Edo became the capital of Japan in 1603.

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Yeah.

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And they issued no coins, especially not to people who lived in Edo in South South Nigeria. It's a demonym.

[A]

Hey.

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What a roller coaster ride.

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South south is one of these six. It's one of the six geopolitical zones of Nigeria. Comprises six states. Akwa, Ibom, Bayelsa, Cross River Delta, Edo and rivers.

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Nice.

[C]

All right, you ready for the next question?

[A]

Yeah. We're back to 50. 50. We can still do this.

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How are you doing at home, everybody? What's your score? How many of these have you got as currency?

[A]

Do you get expressed by 50 50s as we do?

[C]

What is a gay header? Is a gay header. A resident of gay head Massachusetts.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Or one of a series of misprinted one penny coins from 1948. Ooh.

[B]

Oh, interesting. Why would it be misprinted?

[A]

It made the person on it too happy. Because I've got that strong image in my head. I definitely want to go the currency. I want to go flippa for this one.

[B]

Yeah. I think coin. I like the. I like the misprint part.

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Wonderful.

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I don't like that.

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Aquinnah is a town located on the western end of Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts that from 1870 to 1997 was called gay Head. It was incorporated as Gay Head. And a gay header is a resident.

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Of Gay Head, Massachusetts.

[C]

It was a descriptive name referring to the brilliant colours of the cliffs.

[B]

I was hoping that, like, we can hear the story of the. The misprint.

[C]

No. So I'm so sorry. There's been no misprint. All coins have been printed perfectly.

[A]

Oh, whatever.

[C]

Well, next question. You'll be fine. Don't even worry about it. You'll get it straight away. This is Argentius. That's argent, E, U, S. Argentius.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[C]

Is this a coin produced by the Roman Empire during Diocletian coinage reform, or is it a demonym used to describe the Argentinian people that is found only in the 1826 Constitution?

[B]

Oh, interesting.

[A]

Oh, boy.

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But I like the idea that it was, like, a temporary name.

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I can repeat the choices. Is it a coin produced by the Roman Empire during Diocletian coinage reform, or a demonym used to describe the Argentinian people that is found only in the 1826 Constitution?

[A]

Problem is, I want to tell myself to be confident and just go, yep, I know this. Let's lock this in. But I hate that person at Trivia who does that when they really don't.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And they convince the rest of the team that it must be true.

[B]

Peeing in the pool. That's what we call.

[A]

If I were going to be that person, I would say, you can't fool me, Bill. I know that Diocletian hated coin reform and he actually preserved the current form.

[C]

Ah, I'm gonna need a guess here. It's a very simple question.

[B]

I like the demonym. I like how it was kind of frozen in time for that one moment.

[A]

We're going.

[C]

Finn, you're going for the demonym. Argentina. The Constitution of Argentina was written in 1826. Sure. And it refers to them as Argentinians because the Argentius is a coin produced in the Roman Empire during the Diocletian coinage reform.

[A]

Whatever.

[C]

These are all flips.

[A]

I take my first instinct and. And I am going to argue heavily against it next time. I am bad at this.

[C]

The real joy of this was writing the fake.

[B]

Fake answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Ekwele. Ekwele. That's E, Q, W, E, L. Ekwele. Is this a member of the Ekwele tribe whose traditional lands comprise Southwest Chad and Northern Cameroon, or the currency of Equatorial guinea from 1975 to 1985?

[B]

Oh, I wish I was confident enough to know if Chad does border. Cameroon. Cameroon looks like a macaroon.

[A]

Pretty. They're pretty dang close to each other. I. I'm not good at knowing which ones border which one specifically, but Cameroon is in, like, the dip, sort of.

[B]

Chad is.

[A]

Chad is in the upper middle. So it's believable.

[B]

It's believable.

[A]

However, because of this, I must argue strongly in favor of Equatorial Guinea.

[B]

Wait, which one's the fin? Which one's the flip? Which one's the coin? Which one's.

[C]

It is. It is a demonym. If it is a member of the tribe, like the Equale tribe from Chad and Cameroon.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

It's a flipper. If it is the currency of Equatorial Guinea.

[A]

Yes. Well, I have no convictions whatsoever by virtue of the previous answers. I must fight for equatorial guineas coinage to see how my luck holds.

[B]

I agree. Danny, let's take. Let's do currency flipper.

[C]

You think that the country Equatorial guinea just went. We'll just go with equal and make that the currency.

[A]

I don't, but I do now.

[C]

Yeah, it was nominally divided into 100 centimos, but they didn't issue any subdivisions of the currency. And all denominations depicted the first president, Francisco Macias Gueva. On the obverse and allegorical motifs of the reverse. It is a currency. It is a flipper.

[A]

I have to. George Costanza this. Just do the opposite.

[C]

You gotta just do the opposite. There's only two left. You're getting. You're getting.

[B]

Good job writing the other answer because you knew that we're good. Enough trivia that we would know.

[C]

I thought you might know where Chad and Cameroon are. They do touch. And. And also you might know that fun fact that, like, all the colonial divisions don't make any sense compared to tribal divisions that most people are like, well, I'm not from this country. I'm from this tribe, this area. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's the north part of Kenya and the south part of Tanzania. That's where I'm from. All right, well, let's see how you Feel for this one, then. Bim.

[B]

Bim.

[C]

Bim.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

B I M. Bim. Is it an 1860s term for a person from Barbados or a British coin from the Age of Sale? That is equivalent to 4 pence. You get 4 bims for your work today.

[A]

All right. What do your instincts tell you?

[B]

Bim kind of feels like either a bad word or a cute word.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Does it stand for something? Maybe.

[A]

As soon as he said it, I thought, that sounds like a coin, which means, I have to go Barbados now. I have to go the demonym.

[B]

It sounds like a little coin.

[A]

I know every fiber of my being says coin, but every fiber of my being has been wrong every time.

[B]

Okay, okay. You're right. Let's. Let's. George Costanza. Yeah. Let's go with the opposite of what we think. I think it's a coin, but we're gonna go with demonym.

[C]

Demonym. You're correct. It's from the 1860s. Origin unknown.

[A]

This is messed up.

[C]

But it is perhaps from the Igbo term bem, which means my home or my household or people, because presumably a lot of the people who were placed in Barbados were Nigerian. Igbo. Bem. Bem became bim. And no one was ever paid anything. On a British ship, if they asked for their pay, they'd be keelhauled. All right, final question. You're four out of eight. So this will determine Pass. Fail. Oh, no, this is the ninth. This is the ninth question. You've got to get this one right to win. If you get it wrong, we end the episode. Here we go. Sucre.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Sucre.

[C]

S U, C R E. Sucre.

[A]

Oh, I don't like this.

[B]

Is it.

[C]

Is it an Ecuadorian currency named after Latin American political leader Antonio Jose de Sucre? Or does it describe somebody from the city of Sucre named after Latin American political leader Antonio Jose de Sucre?

[B]

Not French for sugar. I always thought it was that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Is it an Ecuadorian currency or somebody from Sucre?

[A]

Sucre, Bolivia, I assume.

[B]

Yes. We're dealing with two countries. So you're saying if it's the currency, it's.

[C]

It's Ecuador.

[B]

Ecuador. If it's the person, it's the capital city, Bolivia.

[A]

All my instincts want to say coin, which means I feel I must say all my instinct says you want to go demonym. Oh, okay. So this is the first time that we've had anti instincts from each other. It is also strange that the demonym would be just the same as the name of the city. That's an unusual one, which still makes it a fair pick.

[C]

I'm gonna need an answer here, guys. We're on a tight schedule.

[A]

I think we have an internal coup and our teams separate at this point. Ooh.

[C]

And we see who's right.

[A]

And then one of us has to win.

[B]

But we're choosing to go the opposite of our gut feeling. Yep. So I'll choose currency and Danny chooses.

[A]

I'll choose definite.

[C]

Well, look, I can tell you something about the currency.

[A]

Oh, no. It's going to be both, isn't it?

[B]

Both.

[A]

That would be nice.

[C]

I was thinking about that. It's not. One of you is a loser. Thanks. There are 100 centavos to a decimo. There are 10 decimos to a Sucre. It is the currency. Well, it was before the year 2000. It was the currency of Ecuador.

[A]

Amazing work.

[C]

It was replaced by the United States dollar due to a financial crisis.

[A]

Your instincts were wronger than mine, so the opposing worked better for you.

[C]

People at Sucre, Danny, are sucrinsa.

[A]

Ooh, that's nice. I like that.

[C]

I don't know how much there's a. They hit the E at the end.

[A]

Well, there you go.

[C]

That's my quiz. I have a couple of fun little currency facts as I was looking through old currencies to see what sounded even slightly like it could have been a demonymous, such as, did you know that in New France, the French colonies of Canada, the. For a while in the 17th century, they were running out of currency. And so they started printing new fiat currency on playing cards on, like, they would just stamp and seal playing cards to give them out to people. And that would be official currency of New France.

[B]

I love.

[C]

They would have to put it. They'd have to write a denomination on it. They'd put a seal, a serial number, they'd sign it, and they would emboss a fleur de lis. And they'd be like, great, that's money now, I guess. And they just did it on playing cards. Cool. And then another fun one. Tin animal money. Oh. Which was a form of currency believed to have been used by royal courts in the Malay peninsula from the 15th to the 18th centuries. Often it was crocodiles, but they also had little tin tortoises, elephants, fish, crickets, beetles, chickens, goats, sheep, cow. And they just. They just traded little tin animals with each other as money.

[A]

What the Beanie Baby people expected.

[C]

Yeah. This is the Beanie Baby world that everyone wanted in the 90s. So there we are. Fins or flippers? Demenims or coins. Brutal. You had fun with the ridiculous quiz that I think Karen won. And Danny. Yes.

[A]

Good job. I liked learning how bad my instincts were.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

Woo.

[B]

All right, so when Danny suggested the topic of fins and flippers, my first thought was something that our friend of the show, our good friend, old friend Steve, he collects something that's very unusual. So when I heard about flippers, I thought of pinball machines.

[A]

Ooh, that's a hard thing to collect.

[B]

It is a hard thing to collect. One of his projects is he's restoring an old Jurassic park pinball where the T. Rex head is worn out. So he's 3D printing a new head.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

It's really hard to imagine at one point in America in the 1930s and 40s that pinball machines were treated like a crime epidemic. Pinball machines were made out to be extremely dangerous of the devil.

[C]

You got trouble, my friends. You got trouble right here.

[A]

That's what I'm picturing.

[B]

Seedy degradation of morals. I'm thinking more like guys and dolls. You know, with the, with the prohibition, for a long time they were deemed illegal and were banned in major cities, like until the 70s.

[C]

What is, what is up with people just having like, I'm watching children have fun.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

We have to put a stop to this.

[B]

Mini golf was like that too. Yeah. Anything that's like kids are having fun. Oh.

[A]

That'S not how I used to have fun.

[B]

So I want to share two landmark but also just hilarious pinball machine court cases or. Or court hearings in America. This first case is what kind of set the war against pinball in motion. So 1935, Jacob Marowski, he's a stationary and a candy store owner in the Bronx, and he had a pinball machine in his store. In his candy store. And he was charged with running a gambling operation by the police.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because the police said that pinball was a game of chance.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

It was essentially illegal gambling. It's important for me to describe what pinball machines look like at this time.

[A]

Yeah, I know. They've changed a little bit in the 30s and 40s.

[B]

Not Jurassic park with a T. Rex.

[C]

Wouldn't that be great?

[B]

Led the lights, you know, the flippers and the multiball, whatever. In fact, most of most of the machines didn't even have flippers. Flippers didn't even come in until like 20 years later. So what were these machines? They're just like coin operated pachinko machines where you have like a spring loaded ball launcher that you pull down and Then a metal ball then goes flying up to the top of the game board. And the board has all these pins, like patterns of pins and nails, right? So then the ball would bounce around. You'll get rewarded, a prize, or maybe nothing if. Depending on where the balls land. So Jacob Marowski, the store owner, he was determined to show the court that pinball was a game of skill. So in order to prove it, he asked the judge if he could assemble a super team of expert pinball players. And he called upon three men, quote, known to their friends as successful shooters. So imagine you got these hotshot gamers essentially, in the courtroom, ready to show the police and the judge and. And a jury how it's done. They're getting. They stroll in, they're like, we're the experts. We're gonna do it.

[A]

Most gamers don't even get to dream of that day when the feds come in asking for their advice, stroll in.

[B]

Show them how it's done. Except they didn't, and they failed miserably. We don't know anything about these three dudes. Yeah, sure, maybe their friend is like, oh, yeah, this guy's really good. But. But who knows? We don't know. So the New York Times printed this news article, and it says with quotes, pin game experts fail in court test. And Jacob Rowski was found guilty.

[C]

I mean, it sounds like he was.

[B]

Guilty, I'm just saying, for having a gambling room. So this whole, like, is it chance, is it skill? Argument went on and on. Is it gambling? Is it not? City officials, police departments in different cities, they all couldn't agree until finally Mayor LaGuardia, who might sound familiar, one of the New York City airports is named after him. So Mayor LaGuardia finally put a ban in place. And this is 1942, in New York City. They banned all pinball machines. And then all these other big cities followed. To LA did it. Chicago did it. Like, these people were really angry and at pinball machines, you know, they were, like, raiding warehouses, confiscating machines and throwing in the ocean. Let them sink to their deaths.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

Like I said earlier, a lot of cities didn't unban the pinball machines well into the 70s. And. And why the 70s? Because there was a second landmark court event that happened in 1976. The American association of New York started lobbying to overturn the pinball ban. And they wanted to prove again that the pinball is a game of skill, or it has become a game of skill, because by this point, gone are the days of those old machines. Now we have flippers, now we have tracks, now we have lights, now we have electricity. And so a man, Roger Sharpe, he's a pinball enthusiast, expert, researcher, author, was asked to play pinball in front of the entire city council to demonstrate that. Now this game is a skill game. He played the machine called Bank Shot. And he didn't just play, he narrated, you know, like a twitch streamer.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

He was like explaining what he's doing, his strategies, showing kind of the controls of the, of the different parts, the flippers, you know, the launcher. And what really, what really sealed the deal was he was able to. We call it Babe Ruthing.

[C]

Yeah. He's calling the shots.

[B]

He's like, all right, just with a ball launcher, I'm going to make the ball go there. And he did it. Thanks to this moment, and thanks to him, pinball was no longer considered gambling. And so the big cities started to lift the band. Quick, closer to the segment. I did ask my friend Steve to share some wacky pinball machines.

[C]

Oh, lovely.

[B]

So there's a game called Orbiter 1. It's a space themed pinball machine that has not a flat surface but a textured board surface.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

It curves, it has valleys and hills and it's like 3D. It's meant to be the surface of Mars. It's extremely trippy to play because the balls don't move as you think they would move.

[C]

Yeah. Tracking the straight lines. They'll be diving and turning.

[A]

That's so cool.

[B]

Spin. There is Joust, which is a two player pinball machine. It looks like a table. One person on one end, the other person on the other end.

[C]

When I was a kid, there was a game, it was like a board game which was like that, where it was four players. Right. And you'd each have flippers, like pinball flippers. And then. And, and I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Between all four people, it's like Anti Hungry Hungry Hippos. Because between all four people it came up in like a little hill, right? Yeah, like a little mound. And you would be trying to knock balls away and they'd go up the hill and then roll into somebody else's area. And at the end, when all the balls were like in your catchment areas, whoever had the least won. So you're just protecting your catchment by knocking the balls towards the other people and it would go up the hill, down into theirs and anyone they missed.

[B]

What is Anti Hungry Hungry Hippos?

[C]

It's just Anti Hungry Hungry Hippos. And it was four Player pinball.

[A]

Yours was four player?

[C]

I think so.

[A]

I had a two player version of this because it was essentially like soccer.

[C]

Yeah. No, this was a four player. It was like a tower and there was a mesh net over the tower so the balls didn't fly out of the kids faces.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And you would just knock them up the hill. It was so cool. I have no idea what it was called.

[A]

Mine was meant to be like two player sort of soccer against each other. You had little flippers. We always lost the ball. Also we would use Mentos instead because.

[B]

Oh my gosh, that's amazing because then it's like the physics is all completely.

[C]

Different then you're playing on Mentos difficulty. Now.

[A]

The other thing that I have never really known about pinball, anytime you go into a pub or a bar or something, they've got a pinball there. It is always branded. It's always going to be, oh, this is friends themed pinball or something like that. How shady is the pinball street versus how endorsed officially?

[C]

How much of this is real IP or just someone stuck Chandler's face?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So Steve shared this story about one of the collector pinballs is a game called Taxi. The goal of the game is you have to pick up five passengers to get them all lit up. Right. So there's Gorby, Pinbot, Dracula, Santa.

[C]

Alright, I know who I was expecting. But true.

[B]

The fifth character is Marilyn. And guess what? The Marilyn in this game sure looks a lot like Marilyn Monroe. Oh. There were legal problems with using the likeness of Marilyn Monroe, so they had to change Marilyn into Lola.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Which is the same character but with brown hair. But some of the Maryland machines were already out. I think they probably have to pay a hefty price for licensing and I think the licensing brings people in. If you go to an American casino, it's insane. Like the slot machines, Ghostbusters, the Ellen Show, Willy Wonka. You know, all of them are like pretty much branded.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back.

[C]

Hey.

[B]

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[C]

You're listening to Good Job Brain. Smooth Puzzle Smart trivia. Good Job Brain.

[B]

Hey yo, I always do that. I always do that.

[C]

Hello, hello, hello. Welcome back to the episode.

[B]

This week we got Bill and Danny from Escape this podcast and we're talking about things that are fins and flippers. Danny of our next segment.

[A]

All right. I didn't give it a fancy name. I feel terrible. We'll have to roll with it and people can send in their nominations. First of all, Karen, what do you call the things that you put on your feet to make you swim faster when you paddle? Oh, like the big thing that look like big duck feet.

[B]

I think we call them flippers.

[A]

Yeah, I. Yeah, we call them as well. But apparently that is when you Google it. It was actually quite hard to google and it kept saying suggesting swim fins as the thing to include, which I had never heard before. So I started out on this rabbit hole trying to learn a bit more about swimming additions. And maybe some people already know this. One of the big early flippers guys was Ben Franklin. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Really?

[C]

He's a flipper man too?

[A]

Very much so.

[B]

This guy's doing everything invented Postmaster General flying a kite in a thunderstorm.

[A]

I will come back to Ben Franklin for sure.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

There was one other bit of fun how the inventor of the modern flippers, he sold them during wartime because they were really useful for dismantling underwater mines. But then after the war was over, no one was really interested. They went, well, this couldn't be used for fun. This was a serious military tool. What would we want with them now? So it took a while for them to become an interesting thing. But after a bit of this, I realized I had some more Route 1 questions. I needed to go back a bit. What back then were people wearing while they were swimming? What were swimsuits like? Because, Karen, way back in the beginning days of this show, I went back so I was pretty sure this had happened. You talked a bit about the origins of the bikini, but I wanted to go a little bit before that. Do you have any idea, like how far back can you go with what people were wearing?

[C]

I can picture people on the beach next to those big boxes where they have just gotten changed.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Wearing horizontally red and white striped, full one piece kind of things that go down below their knees and they're tight fitting. And then the women had the same thing, but it had a skirt built in. That's exactly where I'm picturing.

[A]

Let's go back even further from that. Let's go ancient at the start.

[C]

Oh, what are you picturing there? Naked. Ancient people were always naked.

[A]

They loved it. Right.

[B]

I think it depends on culture, but.

[C]

Yeah, Greece, every culture's the same.

[B]

They all love being naked.

[A]

Yeah. Let's talk about this. So back in the ancient days, talking Greek and Rome, a little bit of Egypt, others around there, swimming wasn't really a competitive sport exactly. It wasn't like at the ancient Olympics. To a lot of cultures, it was still considered healthy and kind of an important part of being a warrior. So you could do it for leisure. You could splash around a bit or you could seriously train. There were rivers like ancient Rome. You could swim in the Tiber and there were bath houses to splash around in. Julius Caesar was regarded as being a pretty strong swimmer.

[B]

They said splasher, A really strong splasher. I was like, oh, okay, that's nice.

[A]

A lot of our proof for how swimming went down back then, especially about what they wore, is from the artwork that we're finding. We see all of the paintings on vases and things like that. Were they naked on those? Absolutely. A lot of the time. Okay, but not necessarily.

[B]

But it's cold.

[C]

It's cold in the water.

[A]

Oh, it could be. So sometimes it was for modesty. Sometimes they had modesty back then.

[C]

Crazy wild. Who'd have thunk it?

[A]

But also for practicality, you would see some loincloth style things going around and you'll see a lot of the women wearing things quite like bikinis. So it took us a couple of thousand years to get back, but what we ended up with was a bit of a recreation. The women had bottoms on that looked sort of like briefs or like modern underwear things. And bandeau tops. Just the strapless wear tops, bandos. Then after that, got a bit of skipping forward to do to the. The 13th to 15th centuries. The teenies. The teen centuries, Yep.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

This is when the church started becoming quite unhappy with a lot of indoor bathing and swimming. Gender segregation was already often a thing, but it varied a lot. In Turkey at this point, there was a lot of naked swimming going on and it wasn't separated by sex or by status. So you could have. You could have young women bathing with clergymen. Oh, goodness. And so it turned out the church did not want that to keep going on. They banned indoor swimming and bathing, so you had to be outdoors. And as you mentioned, the cold, what do you think that meant people did in winter?

[C]

I would say not swim.

[A]

They did not swim or bathe at all for the entirety of winter. And then we had a plague as time went on. Yeah, this frowning upon swimming, it kept spreading.

[B]

And.

[A]

And throughout these teeny centuries, nudity became much more scandalous. Some people believe that the only hobbies that you should have were the ones that expanded your mind, not those disgusting outdoor activities. But then some upperclassmen still considered it a noble skill, so they uniquely were allowed to keep doing it. There are a lot of mixed messages when it comes to swimming throughout history, I've found.

[C]

Sorry, are you implying that the historical church could have some hypocrisy in it?

[A]

Slowly, the rich people, they started winning and swimming became. It started to get its reputation back as more of a fun, healthy pursuit. And one of the famous figures who had a very big hand in this, good old Benjamin Franklin, Benny Franks, he was a swimming teacher. He wrote a treatise on it, that man, he said that it was not only clean and good for your Health. But it was also the mark of a hero because you could save someone from drowning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it looks like after that was when the more structured swimming pool experience started forming. And like in America, pools were built in all the major cities. Separate areas for laps or for just chilling. Still very much separated by sex. They, they weren't that, they weren't that wild. Interestingly, we. One of the things that changed about swimsuits at this point was don't wear anything that clings to your body too much so that you can't see the shape of your body. So they had to wear huge heavy clothes.

[C]

So just like swimming in a big nightgown.

[A]

Oh, I've got some descriptions. I can skip ahead. So this is 1800s, I'll give you this quote. Full length sleeves and ankle length pantalettes covered by a twin layered ruffled skirt. Accessories included a wide brimmed straw hat, bathing shoes of canvas and black stockings. It was not unusual that 12 yards of material were required to construct this garment.

[B]

What's the point of swimming? You're like.

[A]

One would think. Yeah. And so, yeah, if someone decided to go swimming in the ocean, these clothes were a real pain. So often they would just do a furtive look around and go, no one's watching me. I'll just strip down and be naked again. Remember the good old naked days. But what happened then? Peeping toms started going to the beach and just. We had real people hiding in bushes spying on people who were stripping down.

[C]

Peeping toms ruin everything.

[A]

So people wanted to swim in the sea, but they didn't want people to see them naked. But they still really wanted to be naked. So people. Bill, at the start you mentioned something about little boxes to get changed in.

[C]

Yeah, like on the, like on Brighton.

[B]

Be Brighton. Yes, that's exactly what I think of.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It says. Not quite that, but around this point. Enter the bathing machine. Now it looks sort of like an outhouse or a porta potty, but on wheels. And if you were rich, your coachman would steer it down to the beach with his horse with you inside, all the way into the ocean. And then once it was submerged enough, you opened the door and you were instantly in the ocean, covered up by enough water that nobody could see your.

[C]

Naked because you still didn't want to be, you still didn't want to wear the, any kind of bathing out. So you wanted to be naked. So you had to get something that got you all the way into the water. So you are underwater and therefore unseen. That's Hilarious.

[A]

Karen, I don't know if you remember this point that came from your episode on the bikini. Do you remember what measurement they said could determine whether something was a true bikini or not?

[B]

It was if it slipped through a wedding ring.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

Absolutely. That's so scandalous.

[B]

It's good marketing.

[A]

There was one Englishman in the early 1800s, J. Frost, who advocated that people should wear a light calico suit. Easy enough to swim in, but it would still preserve your modesty. And he wanted it to be so light that it could be carried within your handkerchief.

[B]

Whoa.

[C]

Oh, that's pretty light.

[A]

Hmm. So swimming still gaining its popularity through the 1800s. There were laws limiting where and when you were allowed to change into your swimming clothes. Couldn't be too close to town, not between sunrise and sundown. So swimming costumes, there was a lot of variety in, like, the adaptations needed for swimming suits. It became more of a thing that companies knew that there was going to be a niche for, mainly for women. Men sort of seemed like they went straight from naked to the striped pajama thing. Yeah, they always had belts for a while on those things. But for women through the 1800s, the balancing act of practicality and modesty was a wild time. And it took decades for practicality to win. But gradually they got pants underneath their dresses. Yeah, eventually, sort of a baggy one piece suit thing with the skirt sort of built into it. Always black or navy blue because you know what happens to those light colors if they get wet. And then eventually things just sort of started shortening. Shorter sleeves, pants that hover around the knee. They also for a while included corsets because the narrow waisted look had just become so normalized. You needed it even while you were swimming.

[C]

Karen, how often in the show do you just get tired of people existing? Come on, let people swim.

[A]

All right. So we finally hit the early 1900s were getting there. And now the distinction between proper swimming and just bathing was becoming more pronounced. The difference there. And women's swimsuits began to follow this. People weren't crazy about women being athletes. Exactly. But it was still allowed. I guess the Olympics might have women or whatever, but you had some good recommendations now, like keep your shoulders free so that they can move. Don't wear a corset because we don't want to interfere with your breathing. But it was still illegal to be on the beach in your swimming bloomers without a skirt on. Not a popular law, apparently, because literally thousands of women were arrested every summer.

[B]

No way they're arresting people.

[A]

Oh, yeah, they would Measure. They would go around measuring like people's sleeve lengths and things like that. It was actually an Australian woman, Annette Kellerman, who had a very famous court case relating to this and that sort of made famous the one piece swimsuit. At the time it was sort of like a pantsed leotard situation. But she made a statement with that. Some people were opposed to it because it meant that women, well, if they had to show off their body that much, if something clung to them that much, well, what about their body image? You'd have to be in good shape for that. And that would make everyone else feel bad about themselves. Themselves, which. Okay, that was actually a relevant point.

[C]

That's fair enough.

[A]

These were all sorts of questions for a while, but then bam. 1920s hits. We got Jazz Age, we've got Bear knees, we've got scandalous movies everywhere. And also notably one national contest held in Atlantic City which was like looking at bathing beauties. It was the first ever Miss America pageant. They had the swimsuit competition and suddenly people were interested. It turned out for some weird reason, seeing all of these women in their bathing suits got a lot of attention and made them a lot of money or something, I don't know. So by the 30s we had backless, pantsless, skirtless things. Interestingly, we still had a male requirement. In some places men were required to wear a shirt to because people didn't like hairy chests. They thought that that was gross and gorilla like disgusting. But then we got the invention of rayon, the invention of zippers, all sorts of things that moved swimwear slowly towards what it is now. Oh, and then of course, World War II meant material shortages. So wearing skimpy clothing was actually great because it didn't use up as much.

[B]

Fabric for the country.

[C]

Are you swimming naked? It is my patriotic duty.

[A]

By the 40s, most places had given up on trying to have any legal restrictions anymore. In the 50s, there was a company that tried to make modified paper bathing suits that could be sold from dispenser machines. I don't know why that never caught on. And then in the 60s and 70s it actually, they pushed it even sort of almost further than what we've got now. They tried full on topless bathing suits for women.

[B]

I read about that.

[A]

Nudism was becoming more of a thing. We had all of these free movements. It was a bit too scandalous for some, so it eventually got pared back a little bit. But it did lead to things like the separation of your regular beaches versus your topless beaches and nudist areas. And all of that sort of fun. And then we've got what we've got today, all of our varying styles and that's what I got. Do you have a good name for that?

[C]

Flippa. I hardly knew her.

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[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Famous aquatic animals. Quite grab bag quiz. And yes, this is a write down. Danny versus Bill.

[A]

Right? My favorite.

[B]

Here we go. Number one. Its original Italian name translates to the terrible dog fish. But the 1940 Disney adaptation gave this villain what name? Oh, its original Italian name translates to the Terrible dogfish. But the 1940 Disney adaptation gave this villain what name?

[C]

I've got it. Maybe.

[B]

Oh, no.

[C]

I'm either wrong or right. And if I'm right.

[A]

I got nothing. I'm trying to think. Okay, Dog like canna, terrible like a dinosaur, and fish like piscian. And those three things together don't give me anything.

[C]

Tyranno canopy.

[A]

Exactly. That's where I'm at.

[C]

Put it down. Could be right.

[B]

I'll give you an extra hint. The original Italian name translates to the terrible dogfish. Because in the original Italian version it was kind of a shark creature. But in the 1940s Disney adaptation, it's more of a whaley creature.

[A]

What?

[C]

As someone who has this answer correct, I disapproved of all hints.

[B]

Is that the case?

[A]

All right, that doesn't make any sense.

[B]

That doesn't make any slaves answers up, please.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Danny put Monstro and Bill put Monstro. Correct. It is Monstro.

[A]

Okay, I guess Monstro does sound kind of terrible.

[B]

The whale in the Disney Pinocchio movie. In the original Italian book version, the written story version, the original villain was called the Terrible dog.

[A]

Okay, that makes a lot of sense.

[B]

Good job. I mean, that was kind of like a two parter. Like you had to figure out it was Pinocchio, then you have to remember what the name was.

[A]

The Disney psyched me out hard in terms of getting away from sea creatures. I went straight to Disney villains with interesting names. Maleficent. That's not it. And then I froze.

[C]

But the art. The art in Pinocchio is all beautiful, but monstro, when it appears, is just like, oh, my God. What is happening? It's so well done.

[B]

If you're not freaked out by the.

[C]

Donkey, yeah, you're freaked out by that dogfish.

[B]

Number two, in what fictional universe can you find flying fish called cheep Cheeps? Again, in what fictional universe can you find flying fish called cheep Cheeps? You're running a lot. All right, well, answers up. Oh, Danny put Mushroom Kingdom. Bill put Mario. Correct. It is the Mushroom Kingdom slash Mario universe. Good job, number three. I'm going to make it harder.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

What can you find in chapter four of through the Looking Glass?

[C]

Okay.

[B]

What can you find?

[A]

I can see it on my shelf right now.

[B]

In chapter four of through the Looking Glass.

[C]

I think I have the wrong. I have an answer that I think is the wrong answer. So I'm going to keep it up until I can think of something better. But if you're done, Danny, I'll have to show my answer.

[A]

All right, I got something. Let's find out.

[B]

Answers up. All right, Bill said a mock turtle, and Danny put walrus. It is the poem Walrus and the Carpenter.

[C]

Because Tweedledee and Tweedledum appear in the first book. They don't appear in Alice in Wonderland. They only appear in Looking Glass.

[B]

That was my follow up bonus question is who recites it? And it's Tweedledee and Tweedledum. It's like kind of a book within a book situation. Next question. The selkie is a mythical creature from Celtic and Norse mythology that can shapeshift between human and what animal? The selkie, S E L K I E. Is a mythical creature from Celtic and Norse mythology that can shapeshift between human and what animal?

[A]

I always forget which mythical animal is witch.

[B]

All right, answer.

[A]

You drawing.

[B]

Danny puts seal, Bill puts seal, and Bill drew a picture.

[A]

Not a seal.

[C]

It's a lady. She. She. They take off their skin. They take off their whole seal skin and they pile it up on the beach, and then they walk along as a sexy naked lady.

[B]

I'm so interested in this whole sub, sub genre of fairy tales where people turn into animals or vice versa by wearing the hide or the skin. And there's always stories about, oh, and then like the prince told her to, you know, told them to burn the skin while they go to sleep and Cursed forever. All right, here we go. Here's my Australian question. In the Current clubs of the AFL Australian Football League.

[C]

All right, all right.

[A]

It's the grand final today, apparently.

[B]

Oh, is it?

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Okay, good, good. Good timing.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Sydney is the only team to be named with an accord. Aquatic adjacent animal, which is swan. Sydney Swans.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

How many other bird teams are there?

[C]

Oh, no. Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know what? I'll tell you. There are four other bird teams.

[C]

Oh, I can name them.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Can you name them?

[A]

I've got three. I've got three. Oh. Oh, of course. Got him.

[C]

Got four.

[A]

Got four.

[C]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm Right. Are you putting in. Are you putting the places?

[A]

I've put a letter for the places.

[C]

There's the three obvious ones. Lions can't fly.

[A]

You got the one that would make your family ashamed if you missed it.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got that. How. How aerial is a plane? Because we do have. We do have a team called the Bombers.

[A]

There are four distinct birds.

[C]

Hold on. Okay, I'll go through my three, and Danny can finish what the last one is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Shall we?

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I've written down the crows.

[B]

Adelaide Cross.

[C]

You're the Collingwood Magpies, obviously.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

My mother would kill me if I. If I didn't put the pies.

[B]

The pies.

[C]

And what if I put third? The Hawthorne Hawks.

[A]

Yep. Makes perfect sense.

[C]

What am I missing? What's the last one?

[A]

You need to go further away from Sydney. Further away?

[C]

We're going out to Perth. There's the dockers in Fremantle in the West Coast Eagles. Oh, the West Coast Eagles. I'm an idiot.

[B]

Good job, Danny. So we ask swans, crows, magpies. Eagles.

[A]

Love the question.

[B]

Next question. What is the more common name for what is essentially a mermaid? Goat or goat mermaid.

[C]

Obviously, like, not a real thing.

[B]

Right.

[C]

It's just a. No, there's no real animal. That's a mermaid. Goat. Right. I'm not going crazy.

[B]

Fictional. Fictional. What is the more common name for what is essentially a goat mermaid?

[C]

I know a horse mermaid.

[A]

That's the one that I think I'm stuck on.

[B]

What is a horse mermaid?

[C]

A hippocampus.

[B]

Oh, yes, yes.

[C]

I'm. I'm ready when you are, Danny.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I've just put one that I think is also a similarly named to one we've done earlier, but I think it's also a mythical creature, but I never know what it is, so I can't remember. Maybe it's this.

[C]

I can't remember root words for goats.

[B]

Okay. All right, Here we go. Oh, okay. So Danny has put Kelpie that's just a.

[C]

That's just a wet horse.

[B]

And then Bill put goto campus.

[A]

You were thinking, is it go to campus. Capricorn and that sort of thing.

[C]

Capricantus.

[B]

Capricorn. It is Capricorn.

[A]

It's just a Capricorn.

[C]

Oh, Capricorn is like a goat mermaid.

[B]

It is a goat mermaid.

[C]

It is a goat mermaid. All those star signs are real wet. And that's just a wet goat. I could have got that but instead I wrote go to campus.

[B]

And Aries is an actual.

[C]

Just a goat. Goat.

[B]

Next question. Who made a splash Predicting the 2010 World cup matches? Oh no, I need the name.

[A]

Oh no.

[B]

Who made a splash predicting ending the 2010 World cup matches?

[A]

I have no idea.

[B]

Cross the rainbow bridge. This is not a fictional.

[C]

No, this is a real.

[B]

This is a real. What was his name?

[A]

I had no idea what his name was.

[C]

I thought I had a G. I've written Gunther or Greg.

[A]

I called him Benny the Octopus.

[B]

It is Paul.

[A]

Oh, I almost went with a pay name.

[B]

Last question. Dare I say I think this is a pretty good trivia question. So one of the most famous film scores goes to John Williams's simple but a haunting theme for Jaws. For Jaws, what instrument is that iconic theme performed on?

[A]

Now I know in high school I played it on the tenor saxophone and it was not meant to be on tenor saxophone. Far.

[B]

So your classic D. What. What instrument is playing that? It's a musical instrument. Danny doesn't think it's a sex too jazzy or too sexy?

[A]

No, that is a very good question. I haven't listened to it closely enough to even be able to identify like what department of the orchestra. Huh. We got the notes, but I've got a guess. Sure. I'm not in love with my guess, but here we go.

[B]

Answers up. Danny has put cello.

[C]

I was thinking cello.

[B]

And Bill has put bassoon. Very good. Very. If it's an oboe, I'm gonna low key register instruments. It is the tuba.

[C]

No, it's a tuba.

[A]

Really?

[C]

What are you doing, John?

[A]

So we were both in. We were both in the wrong. We were in the wrong section. Yeah. Tenor saxophone would have been closer still.

[B]

I know, that's why I was like. I thought maybe you'd be close with the brass. It's so deep. Oh, bassoon is a very.

[C]

He's gonna. He's gonna call me up. Is he live? He's gonna call me up and he's gonna say yes. He's gonna say hey. God, you're so. I should have done a bassoon. Man, you're so right. I was young. I don't know what to tell you. If I was doing it now, I'd put into pursuit. Obviously.

[A]

I wonder how much, like he did a lot of very famous work 50 years ago. How much do you reckon John Williams does look back and criticize himself and think of ways he could have done better in the way that all artists do.

[B]

Could have, should have, would have.

[C]

I reckon he's. I like, he loves it. I think he looks back and he listens to like. He's like, oh man, I'm so good.

[A]

That was wonderful.

[B]

Well, that's. That's our show. Danny and Bill, please. Where can people find you? What are some of the stuff you've been working on?

[C]

Yeah, look, if you want to listen to us, have guests come on and play through audio escape rooms designed by mostly Danny, go and check out Escape this podcast. There's an episode with good job brain2 2. You can listen to them playing audio Escape and play in mini mini golf. Got mentioned on this episode. If it made the cut and if it didn't, it was. And you missed it was the best bit. So there's plenty of fun to check out. Lots of fun guests playing through escape rooms. If you're into escape rooms, you will love it. If you're not into escape rooms, it is an amazing introduction into the world of escape rooms and hearing how they play. So check out Escape this podcast. You can also check out Solve this Murder, which is a show that we do where we have murder mysteries. One of us will create a full Agatha Christie style whodunit murder mystery and the other has to be the detective and try and solve it. And if you love video games, Danny and I are part of the writing and development team for Rise of the Golden Idol. The demo is out now on Steam. You should play it and if you like it, you can go back and play the original, which we had nothing to do with, but we're huge fans of. It's. It's pretty looking really cool. It's a very good game.

[B]

So happy you guys are working on the scene.

[C]

For people who haven't played a Golden Idol game, it's detective work and murder mysteries done basically via Mad Libs. It's a lot of blank, blank to the blank in the blank and then blank to the blank. Yeah, it's really fun. We were such huge fans of the first one, so to be able to be part of the development team for the second one we really loved and so we're very proud of how it's turned out. And check it out when it comes out.

[B]

That's amazing. And no idea. I just played the first one. Oh, just played play. Because I bought it from the summer sale. I was blown away. I wouldn't say I was the best at it. I was like, I was missing some key details. There's something about. Yeah. The format and it was like so digestible. And then the art style is like so unique and so.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Yeah. The whole thing.

[A]

Instead of working on it. Something special and yeah.

[C]

Sequels sequel is coming out soon. By before the end of the year. Wow.

[A]

Good Christmas present.

[B]

Thank you guys for joining me. Thank you guys, listeners, for listening in. Hope you learned stuff about bathing suits, about currency, about demonyms, about pinball machines and famous aquatic animals. You can find us on all major podcast apps and on our website, goodjabri.com this podcast is part of Airwave Media podcast network. Visit airwavemedia.com to listen and subscribe to other shows like History of Everything, Nature Nerds and History Tea Time. And we'll see you next week.

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Bye, everybody. Thank you for having us.

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