298: The Clothes Off Our Backs

Summary

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Good Job, Brain!

Episode 298: The Clothes Off Our Backs
Original Release Date: October 14, 2025
Hosts: Karen, Colin, Chris
Special Guest: Julio Trujillo (Denver Trivia League, The Chase & Jeopardy! alumnus)

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Episode Overview

This week, the Good Job, Brain! team takes on the wide world of clothing and fashion, blending their signature brand of trivia and offbeat fun. With quizzes galore, dazzling historical tidbits, and special guest trivia master Julio Trujillo, the episode explores everything from Met Gala showstoppers and classic fashion brands to obsolete textile jobs, famous occupational surnames, and iconic hats. Listeners are treated to a whirlwind of fascinating fashion facts seasoned with plenty of laughs and memorable banter.

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Key Episodes Segments & Discussion Highlights

1. Special Guest Arrival & General Trivial Pursuit Pop-Quiz

Timestamps: 00:38–11:43

• Julio Trujillo makes a surprise visit, buzzing in for a lightning round of Trivial Pursuit drawn from oddball editions like R&R Singles, 80s, 90s, Baby Boomer, and Pop Culture.
• Quips about quiz master pet peeves and the dangers of AI-powered bad trivia answers:
  • Julio: “They're finding AI answers that aren't correct ... I just put this into chat GPT, they said, blah, blah, blah.” (14:24)
  • Chris: “We kind of... There's an unspoken rule where the quizmaster is always right.” (14:51)
• Julio’s sweater-vests on Jeopardy! and The Chase spark the segue into a themed clothing episode.

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2. Met Gala Fashion Quiz

Timestamps: 18:09–26:15

• Chris leads a dazzling quiz on legendary, viral, or controversial Met Gala outfits, blending fashion trivia with pop culture.
  • Memorable questions include:
    • Cher’s 1974 feather dress (20:10)
    • Stella McCartney & Liv Tyler’s “rock royalty” tanks (21:22)
    • Kim Kardashian’s “couch” floral maternity look (21:55)
    • Rihanna’s pearl-encrusted pope ensemble (23:01)
    • Katy Perry’s chandelier+cheeseburger costumes (23:33)
    • Jared Leto with a replica of his own head (24:26)
    • AOC’s “Tax The Rich” dress (25:01)
  • Karen: “The press was mean because she was so pregnant. They’d be like, ‘Oh, she looks like a couch.’ But she looks great.” (21:59)

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3. Lightning Round: Fashion Brands with Animals in Their Logos

Timestamps: 26:36–31:07

• Karen’s zippy brand logo quiz challenges players to name the animal represented in fashion logos.
  • Sample Q&A:
    • Hermès – Horse (27:36)
    • Lacoste – Crocodile (28:00)
    • Abercrombie & Fitch – Moose (28:34)
    • Swarovski – Swan (29:01)
    • Roots – Beaver (29:17)
    • Mark Ecko – Rhino (29:38)
    • Hollister – Seagull (30:35)
    • Emporio Armani – Eagle (31:02)

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4. Find-the-Connection Quiz: Shirts

Timestamps: 31:22–35:24

• Julio delivers a “find the connection” round, each answer referencing a common shirt style.
  1. Oxford – Oldest university, classic shirt
  2. Trapeze – Circus act, trapeze shirt
  3. Jersey – British Crown dependency, jersey shirt
  4. Western – Film genre, western shirt
  5. Henley – Eagles singer, Henley shirt
  6. Polo – Equestrian sport, polo shirt
  7. T (Tesla) – The letter “T,” T-shirt
• Karen identifies the theme: “Shirts! Oxford shirt, polo shirt, Henley, trapeze…” (35:24)
• Julio explains the less-known “trapeze shirt”: “Very loose up top and then they kind of tight on the bottom.” (35:40)

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5. Offbeat Fashion Segment: The Leg o’ Mutton Sleeve

Timestamps: 38:39–41:22

• Karen shares FB group banter about sleeve terminology, notably the "leg o' mutton" sleeve (39:51), sparking a group-penned comedic novella riff:
  • Dramatic Recap: “Cynthia, that’s a lovely design. What do you call it? ... ‘Leg o’ mutton.’” (40:54)

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6. Obsolete Fashion Occupations: Pee, Pluck, and Peril

Timestamps: 41:30–56:21

• Colin dives into the hazardous, sometimes stomach-turning history of fashion-adjacent jobs:
  • Fuller, Tucker, Walker: Medieval workers cleaned and shrank wool, often by trampling it in vats of urine. “The main substance they used for fulling is not water ... it was good old pee, good old urine.” (42:54)
  • Woad Dyer: Produced blue dye from the woad plant, involving urine fermentation and toxic chemicals (44:56).
  • Doffer & Mule Scavenger: Child labor in the industrial revolution—kids quickly changed bobbins & scavenged scraps from dangerous spinning machinery. “You would have the doffers, who would be kids anywhere from 8 to 12 years old ... It was dangerous work ... You’re watching out for yourself.” (51:04)
  • Pointer: Sharpened needles and pins, risking “pointer’s rot” (fatal metal dust lung disease) and frequent injuries. “The average life expectancy of a pointer was only 35.” (55:29)
• Chris: “Lots of walking through pee.” (56:21)
• Karen: “Next time you meet someone whose last name is Walker, have fun facts about how you got your name.” (56:25)

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7. “Help, I’m Wearing Too Many Hats!” Iconic Hat Quiz

Timestamps: 57:09–69:55

• Karen leads a creative quiz: Given a hat’s technical name and description, name the character, profession, or group most associated:
  • Montera: Matador (60:36)
  • Casquette: Bicycle racer (61:31)
  • Whoopee cap: Jughead (62:54)
  • Mortar board: Graduate (63:45)
  • Bicorn: Napoleon (64:34)
  • Capotaine: Pilgrim (65:46)
  • Tyrolean hat: Yodeler, Riiiicooooola! (67:08)
  • Gimme hat: Trucker (“trucker hat”) (68:30)

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8. Julio’s Trivia League & Pub Quiz Insights

Timestamps: 70:10–71:19

• Julio plugs Denver Trivia League (find them on Instagram/Facebook), talks about music bingo pub quizzes:
  • “We have a music round always and actually do music bingoes ... You can identify the song on a bingo board.” (70:35)

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Notable Quotes & Fun Moments

• Chris (on Met Gala): “She changed into a cheeseburger costume. Looking like Mayor Mc— Okay.” (23:41)
• Karen (on hats): “You’re never going to learn this much about hats as you’re about to in this quiz!” (59:11)
• Colin: “Next time you meet someone whose last name is Walker... Great first date material.” (56:25)
• Karen (deadpan): “Hope you learned stuff today about hats, about Met Gala, about shirts, and about walking on pee.” (71:05)

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

• Lighthearted, nerdy, and fast-paced: The hosts blend breezy banter with deep dives into obscure facts.
• Interactive: Quizzes are at the forefront, encouraging listeners to play along.
• Trivia as social connection: Recurrent themes of pub trivia culture, group knowledge, and quirky historical tangents reflect the show’s community-driven ethos.
• Fashion as a lens for history: From Met Gala excess to “leg o’ mutton” sleeves, from occupational surnames to industrial labor perils, the team colorfully illustrates the hidden worlds lurking behind “the clothes off our backs.”

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Navigation by Timestamps

• 00:38 – Guest trivia & “road to 300” banter
• 14:03 – Pub trivia pet peeves & AI answer gripes
• 16:56 – Fashion/clothing theme introduction
• 18:09 – Met Gala viral & controversial outfit quiz
• 26:36 – Brand logo lightning round (animals in fashion brands)
• 31:22 – "Find the Connection": Shirts quiz
• 38:39 – “Leg o’ mutton” sleeves & FB group novella
• 41:30 – Obsolete clothing jobs & trivia (Fuller, Woad Dyer, Doffer, Pointer, etc.)
• 57:09 – “Too Many Hats” iconic hat quiz
• 70:10 – Julio on Denver Trivia League, music bingo, and pub trivia
• 71:05 – Episode wrap, shout-outs, and sign-off

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Transcript

[A]

You're listening to an Airwave Media podcast.

[B]

Good day and good morrow. Good hearted and good willed, goodfellas and good duckins. Welcome to Good Job Rain, your weekly quiz show and offbeat trivia podcast. This is episode 298. And of course, I am your humble host, Karen. And we are your landlubbers and odd jobbers, slobbering for blabber jabber and yabber.

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I am Colin.

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And I'm Chris.

[B]

Woohoo. Just like you two. I also got back from Europe, and I am very jet lag.

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Like you just got back.

[B]

Show must go on. Road to 300, everybody. We're at 298. We're almost there.

[C]

Can taste the 300. It tastes like not knowing when to stop.

[A]

No one's told us to stop yet, Chris. I just assumed at some point in the future, someone's gonna say, okay, it's time to knock it off. Yeah.

[C]

No.

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Well, I got a surprise for you guys. These trivia cards I have. Well, without further ado, let's jump in to our first general trivia segment.

[C]

Whoa.

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Hold the show.

[C]

I thought we disabled that thing.

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It's a smart doorbel. Let me just pop over.

[A]

Hello.

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Oh, my goodness. Julio Trujillo, Denver Trivia League's own trivia master and winner of the trivia game show the Chase from 2021.

[A]

Well, you would know.

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You were there.

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Hello, Julio. It's been a long time.

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It has been. Hello. How is everyone doing?

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Good to see you.

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Yeah, good to see you too.

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I saw you in D.C. last, I believe we were taken in the. In the Quiz bowl together.

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We did very mediocrely on the Quiz Bowl. It was great. Yes.

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We were middle of the road, middle of the pack. I felt great about that.

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I know.

[A]

Yeah. We were tied for second at one very early point.

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Yes, I think so.

[C]

Yeah. At one point, we were sitting there and Karen was just like, guys, there's two people from the Chase at the table next to us. And I said, karen, there's two people from the Chase at our table. And she said, no, Chase Earth. And I'm like, oh, God, yes.

[B]

Yes, yes. Yeah, we last saw each other all at Sporkle Con a couple years ago. Julio, how have you been?

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Well, you know, I heard that you guys are about to celebrate your 300th episode, and I wanted to say hello and congratulate you on the wonderful accomplishment.

[C]

Wow, thanks.

[B]

Well, good timing. Julio, why don't you come in and join us? We're just about to do our first trivia segment.

[A]

I Assume you have a buzzer with you. I mean, as most people do just out on the street. Right? Yeah. Oh, great, great.

[D]

Of course, you know, I'm. I own a trivia company in Denver, you know, where would I be without my handy buzzer?

[B]

Wow, he's buzzer ready. Well, without further ado, let's jump into our first general trivia segment. Pop quiz, hotshot. With our friend here, Julio, who's visiting us at the Good Shot Brain House after ringing the Good Job Brain doorbell and opening the Good Job Brain door. All right, here's the surprise. Guys, look at this. Oh, I got cards up the wazoo. Usually I just pick a one random Trivial Pursuit game card, but today we're, we're switching it up. We got a lot of versions and you guys get to pick. I got Trivial pursuit pop culture, two Trivial Pursuit R&R singles, Trivial Pursuit, 90s edition, Trivial Pursuit, Totally. 80s edition, Trivial Pursue Entertainment Singles. And our favorite Trivial Pursuit Baby Boomer is.

[A]

Is R and R Rock and Roll singles. Is that.

[B]

So I spent like 10 minutes trying to look up what R and R meant and what kind of game it was. I think it's like rnr. As in like resting.

[C]

Yeah. Rest and relaxation. Yeah.

[B]

So the game itself, it's just these R and R cards and they, they live in a box that's a wedge shaped and you're supposed. There's no game board. So I think it's like you just play it on the go.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You just have R and R time.

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Sitting around the table, you know, with your friends. Okay. All right. I vote 80s.

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Chris. We got 80s for Colin. What do you want?

[C]

R and R?

[B]

R. Yeah. And then we got pop culture, 90s entertainment, singles and Baby Boomer.

[D]

I'll do. Let's do pop culture, I think.

[B]

All right, Pop culture.

[D]

All right, is.

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Here we go. Buzzers at the ready. Totally. 80s first Blue Edge TV. What? 4 foot 11 actress, played Rosie the waitress in numerous bounty ads.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Oh, man. Yeah. What is her name? It's, it's, it's.

[C]

I got nothing.

[A]

I've had her in a quiz before. I feel so sorry.

[D]

I have.

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I. I have to apologize to her. I feel, I'm not even sure enough to buzz. I feel it's Anne something. Am I close?

[B]

It is Nancy Walker.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

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Nancy Walker. Nancy Walker. The. The quick.

[D]

That's cruel.

[C]

Yeah, a quicker picker upper.

[A]

Yeah.

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Was on our cleaning episode.

[C]

Colin, I remember that quiz you asked for. 80s.

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Yeah.

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80S is what, 40 years ago? Okay, here we Go. Pink wedge. What Soprano. Did Andrew Lloyd Weber divorce his first wife to marry? Yes. Come on, Chris.

[A]

I know you know it.

[C]

Meadow Soprano.

[B]

No.

[C]

Sarah Brightman.

[B]

Sarah Brightman. Yellow edge. What? Half Croatian, half Slovene leader bit the dust in 1980 after holding Yugoslavia together for more than three decades. Oh, fighting ring. Julio.

[D]

Tito.

[A]

Is his name Tito?

[B]

It is Tito, yes. Full name.

[A]

Joseph.

[C]

Unnecessary.

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Joseph Rose. Tito. Purple wedge for music. What musical was advertised with images of the waif? Cosette posed before a fluttering flag one day. More. Oh, Chris.

[C]

Less miserable.

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Le miz. Le miserable. All right. Lime green wedge. Who voiced his last film lines in the 1988 short the Night of the Living Duck?

[C]

19.

[B]

Oh, Julio.

[C]

No.

[D]

Blank.

[B]

Mel Blanc. Mel Blanc.

[C]

I think it's a blank. I think it's blank.

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Daffy duck, Bugs Bunny, etc. Yes.

[B]

I assume it's Daffy Duck because it's Night of the Living Duck.

[A]

Safe Guest. Yeah.

[B]

All right. Last wedge in totally 80. Sports and leisure, what team won the 1987 Super bowl with a defense known as the Big Blue Blue Wrecking Crew?

[A]

Colin, Is that the New York Giants?

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Correct. Thank you. Sports guy always delivers.

[A]

Yeah, sometimes. Always.

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And then, Chris, you got R and R, right?

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, let's do it.

[B]

All right.

[D]

The mystery R R round.

[B]

Mystery R R round. Chosen by Chris. Here we go. I'm just gonna say the color of the category because I don't know what they stand for.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Blue edge. What? Oscar of Sports awards is given to the outstanding US Amateur athlete.

[A]

Whole Oscar of Sports of Sports awards.

[C]

Is given to the outstanding US Amateur Athlete.

[B]

Amateur athlete.

[C]

I don't know. I don't know. This is some sort of a pan Sports is this award.

[A]

Have you heard of this one, Karen? Have you heard of.

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No.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Interesting.

[A]

Is it the. The something ease or.

[B]

No, it's like a person's name award.

[A]

O. Okay.

[C]

Couldn't tell you.

[B]

It's the Sullivan. Sullivan Award.

[C]

Really? Huh.

[D]

All right.

[B]

A pale pink wedge. What Cajun word for a really good time names a music festival in Manchester, Tennessee?

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

We just got a question about the tulio.

[D]

It's a. No, no, no.

[C]

Not that ancient word for a really good time. Is it. Is it a hootenanny?

[B]

Oh, you're close.

[C]

Oh, really? Okay.

[B]

It is Bonnaroo.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

All right, I get it. I get it.

[A]

I did not know that was a Cajun word.

[D]

I guess that's Bond, like, good.

[C]

It has Bond. Exactly. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I can see it. I can see it. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Yellow edge. What kind of gummy candy is called pastel fiskar in Stockholm.

[D]

Oh. Oh, Julio, that'd be a Swedish fish, I think, right?

[A]

Swedish fish.

[B]

Our favorite type of candy is from Sweden. Purple wedge. What cartoon characters? Kraft Mac and cheese dinner was 2002's biggest seller.

[C]

Oh. Oh, 2002. Jeez. So, I mean, yeah, they do a lot of these Kraft Mac and Cheese that are sponsored. I'm gonna guess SpongeBob SquarePants.

[B]

Yes, they still.

[C]

They still have it.

[B]

Yeah, the memes man.

[A]

He's also a good shape for a Mac and cheese, you know what I mean? Like, he's just got little. All the nooks and crannies, a rectangle.

[D]

And then Patrick is like a nice.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, Good surface area.

[B]

Next question. Green wedge. What? Steel Titan once owned Skibo Castle in Scotland where Madonna said, I do. Colin.

[A]

I mean, I just hear Steel Titan. I'm gonna guess Andrew Carnegie.

[B]

Yes, it is Carnegie.

[C]

All right, all right.

[A]

If it was like the other Steel Titan, you know, great, I'll. I'll take that chance.

[B]

But okay, the other Steel Titan.

[A]

Exactly, exactly.

[B]

Well, it was on a learnedly question today.

[A]

Oh, well, you tell me then, Karen. Who was the other steel titan?

[B]

J.P. morgan.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

All right.

[B]

He's. He. He merged all of the steel together, so he's not really a. A steel person. He's the finance person.

[C]

Why would he merge all of his steel together?

[B]

All right, last question on this mysterious R R singles Trivial Pursuit game. Last wedge, orange wedge. What is the world's largest hotel chain with 4, 000 hotels in 80 countries?

[C]

Oh, boy.

[B]

I don't know if this is true or not anymore.

[C]

Right, right, right. Well, I mean, you know, we got to go based on.

[D]

All right.

[C]

Card.

[B]

Go for it.

[A]

Is it. Was it Hilton?

[B]

Incorrect.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Chris Marriott.

[B]

Incorrect.

[D]

Ooh, I'll guess. Is it Best Western?

[B]

It is Best Western.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

At one time it was Best Western. So our last card. Julio's pick. This is pop culture, too. We love pop culture. Here we go. Last card, blue edge for TV. What is Dr. Turk's first name on scrubs?

[C]

Oh, man, I'm gonna get in trouble.

[D]

Is it Chris?

[B]

It's Christopher. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Correct. Pink wedge for fad. What food chain switching to all machine made goods served its last hand twisted cruller in 2003. Whoa, Chris.

[C]

I mean, I guess Dunkin Donuts.

[B]

It's dunkin. Dunkin Donuts.

[A]

So 2002, you could have gotten some Spongebob Mac and Cheese and followed that.

[C]

Up with a hand twisted Dunkin Donut.

[B]

Yellow Edge for Buzz, who threatened legal action in 2002 after a hot sauce label pictured her with ice skates in one hand and a hubcap in the other? Chris.

[C]

Tanya Harding.

[A]

Has to be.

[B]

It is Tanya Harding. Purple for music. What metal band lost much of its luster after getting 300, 000 fans kicked off? Napster.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[D]

Julio, that was Metallica.

[B]

Metallica lost its luster.

[A]

Yeah. Little tip there.

[B]

Oh, I see. Green retro movie. What film introduced the yarmulke wearing action hero Mordecai Jefferson Carver?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

It's alliterative.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What film introduced the yarmulke wearing action hero Mordecai Jefferson Carver.

[C]

I know, I know. I've heard of this, but I. I cannot recall it.

[B]

AKA the Hebrew hammer.

[C]

Hebrew.

[A]

Hebrew hammer.

[B]

Hammer.

[D]

Yep, of course.

[B]

All right, last question. Card Sports and Games. Who was the first golfer to win 50 PGA Tour titles by the age of 30? Colin.

[A]

50. By the age of 30. Tiger Woods.

[B]

Correct. RNR singles. All right.

[A]

Okay. Some good. I feel rested. I feel relaxed. Feel loose.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

These R and R cards are designed for this. I don't want to play the board game.

[A]

No, it's. It's very smart. I mean, it's funny.

[C]

I don't want to play Trivial Pursuit.

[A]

I want to have fun in a very real way. It's kind of the germ of. Good job, brain. Right.

[B]

Well, Julio, you are a trivia master. The Denver Trivia League. In your opinion, as quizmaster, what are some of your pet peeves at pub trivia? What don't you appreciate what's not your favorite? Oh, gosh, give us the tea.

[D]

There definitely are the people that like to argue. And now with A.I.

[C]

Oh, no, no.

[D]

They're finding A.I. answers that aren't correct.

[C]

Right.

[D]

But, like, they'll be like, I just put this into chat. Gbt, they said, blah, blah, blah.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[D]

Well, that's not really correct because I think when people Google now, it's. The AI comes really quickly.

[C]

That's what comes up first, right?

[D]

Yeah, exactly. That's not even necessarily right. That's kind of annoying.

[B]

Oh, I never thought about that. It's like.

[C]

Well, that wasn't a problem. When.

[B]

We kind of. There's an unspoken rule where the quizmaster is always right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Whatever the quizmaster says, that's what counts on the points.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

Even if they're wrong. Well, we had the thing once where the answer was melanin. And then the quiz master is like. And it's melanin. She's Like. Or melatonin.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Those are two different things.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's not quite the actually. It's more the. Hey, hold on. It's. Don't also accept this other answer.

[C]

Right. This other wrong answer.

[B]

Well, what's your favorite part of pub trivia, then? As a quizmaster, Julio, to me, I think the community.

[D]

I really love seeing, like, the regulars. And we do a lot of actually, fundraisers for our trivia. So we had, like, you donate $5 to a nonprofit that we have every month, and you get two bonus ones. Cool.

[B]

Well, the other thing that you might not know about Julio is, well, he was on Jeopardy, and he was on the chase. And this leads to this week's topic. Coincidentally, I had a feeling that you were gonna show up at our house. And so I was thinking about this. When Julio was on Jeopardy, the wardrobe people put him in a sweater vest.

[D]

A gray sweater vest.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Dapper sweater vest, because, you know, sweater vest equals smart people. And so when it was time for us to do the chase, to film the chase, the wardrobe department was not happy with what Julio brought and then gave him a gray sweater vest to wear on the chase. So he's on both shows where the wardrobe people was like, you know what? You need a gray sweater vest.

[D]

It's true. Yes.

[B]

So that inspired this week's topic. I thought we could talk about clothes, Fun facts, trivia, quizzes about fashion. So this week, we're giving you the clothes off our backs.

[C]

I don't know if we've talked about it. Have we talked about this yet on the show? The fact that the entire the nation's children have been taken over by K pop demon hunters.

[A]

Yes, it's taken over. My family, oh, gosh.

[C]

Went to a school fundraiser the other night. They were like food trucks. And, you know, you buy everything. You buy a dollar goes to the education foundation or whatever. They're like, oh, we're gonna set up karaoke, you know, for the kids. And they set up a little karaoke area. And the first, like, 90 minutes of this event is just different subsets and groups of kids just doing K pop.

[A]

Right, right. You heard soda pop 12 times.

[C]

Oh, yeah. No, literally, Regina and I are looking at each other like this is the third time they've done soda pop since we have been here. I think they put a moratorium on it because there was a point at which there were. After a certain point of the night, there were no more K pop songs at all. And everything prior to that had been only K Pop Demon Hunter.

[A]

Chris, I am not exaggerating just to interject here when I tell you that as I left the house to come record this podcast in my back shed, my daughter and wife were literally doing home karaoke to K Pop Demon Hunter song.

[B]

Which song?

[C]

You can't even get away from it.

[A]

It take down as I walked out the door. Yes.

[C]

Incredible. When you mentioned the. The topic. And there's that line in K Pop Demon Hunters, that quick cutaway gag where they say that one of them. Oh, who could show up to the Met Gala wearing a sleeping bag. And they cut to her at the Met Gala wearing a sleeping bag, you know, dress. So the Met Gala is. Is actually technically, if want to get technical, is called the. The Costume Institute benefit for the. The Metropolitan Museum of Art. They have their Costume Institute. It's one of those things where it's like everybody who wants to be seen is seen there. Work with fashion designers, things like that, to put together very, very elaborate, very, very beautiful outfits that, you know, of course, are endlessly scrutinized and photographed on the. On the red carpet. Right.

[B]

Each year there's a theme because it goes along with the exhibition.

[C]

And also it's organized by the fashion magazine Vogue. I worked for Conde Nast for a while. I was never invited, but, you know, that's neither here nor there.

[B]

You're technically co workers with Anna Wintour.

[C]

I was, yeah, yeah, yeah. She became the sort of editorial director across everything. So I dialed into like a conference call with. With her at one point, but she's.

[D]

Retiring this year, I believe, actually.

[A]

Yeah, I saw that. Passing the torch.

[C]

I have a quiz about Met Gala outfits that either went viral or were controversial or were particularly standout.

[B]

Interesting or what?

[A]

All right, I like it.

[C]

Question number one. This is a buzz in quiz, so get those buzzers ready. All right. Fresh off the release of her song Dark lady, this singer appeared to be wearing nothing but a few strategically placed feathers in 1974.

[D]

Julio, the dark lady has to be Cher.

[C]

It is Cher and it is, in fact Cher. It was a clever quote unquote naked illusion dress designed by Cher's friend Bob Mack.

[A]

Bob Mac.

[C]

Yes. All right. These two daughters of famous musicians, one an actress, one a fashion designer, showed up the 1999 Met Gala in modified Hanes tank tops reading rock royalty.

[A]

Colin, Karen, Maybe we can tag team this. Are these the McCartney daughters? Stella McCartney. And I don't know who the other.

[C]

One would be, so I'll. Sorry, I may have been a little bit vague. They are daughters of famous musicians.

[A]

I see.

[C]

They're not siblings.

[A]

Gotcha, gotcha. Okay, gotcha.

[C]

They are friends.

[A]

Okay, all right.

[C]

One of them is a well known actress. The other one is a fashion designer and they were very popular in 1999. One of them is indeed Stella McCartney.

[A]

Oh, all right.

[C]

The other.

[B]

Who's Stella's friend? Oh, Liv Tyler.

[C]

Was Liv Tyler. There you go. McCartney had acquired those Hanes tank tops. The morning of the Met Gala, spent the day putting together the outfit. So DIY in 2013. She wore a three floral print dress with built in gloves, attending the gala while pregnant with her daughter, North. Karen.

[B]

This was mean. She was so pregnant. This is Kim Kardashian.

[C]

It was Kim Kardashian. I was not mean. I was.

[B]

No, no, I'm sorry. The press was mean because she was so pregnant. They'd be like, oh, she looks like a couch.

[A]

That's mean.

[B]

But she looks great.

[C]

I just found the built in gloves. The funniest thing about the whole thing. That was cool.

[B]

That's true. How do you go to the bathroom?

[C]

I don't know. Not sure. She was 57 years old and had just released the album Rebel Heart when she turned up at the Met Gala in a Givenchy outfit with cutouts for her breasts. Karen.

[B]

That is Madonna.

[C]

That is Madonna. That is Madonna. Her butt was out too. I just want to be clear that her butt was also out. You know, just want to be fair. In 2018, the same year that she starred as Leslie Nine Ball Jordan in Ocean's Eight, she caused a religious controversy at the Met Gala when she dressed as a pearl encrusted pope. Taryn.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

As Rihanna.

[C]

Yes, it's Rihanna.

[B]

Rihanna.

[C]

Rihanna.

[B]

I believe she had the pope hat.

[C]

Had the pope hat? Yeah, she had the pope hat.

[B]

The theme was religion. Religious. Yeah, it was Catholicism.

[C]

It was. It was so. It was not. It was not entirely. Somehow. It wasn't Sia who showed up at the Met Gala dressed as a chandelier, but this American Idol judge.

[B]

There's so many.

[A]

Oh, goodness.

[B]

There's four.

[A]

Would it be Katy Perry?

[C]

It would be Katy Perry. It would be Katy Perry. Who would do such a thing?

[A]

Was literally dressed like a chandelier.

[C]

She walked the red carpet dressed as a chandelier. Like. Like a character out of the live action. Beauty and the Beast changed then. She changed because she just walked the red carpet as a chandelier. But for be. For being inside the party, she. She changed into a cheeseburger costume.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Looking like Mayor mc. Okay.

[B]

It's funny because I was like, oh, she can't sit down as a chandelier.

[C]

She couldn't sit down as the cheeseburger either. It wasn't his outfit that turned heads at the 2019 Met Gala, but the fact that this Oscar winner was carrying a replica of his own head down the red carpet. Oh, Karen.

[B]

The always weird Jared Leto.

[A]

Jared Leto, that's right.

[C]

Always can be counted on to be weird carrying a replica. A very, very realistic and creepy replica of his own head down the red carpet. Good for him. In 2021, Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio Cortez walked the red carpet wearing a dress emblazoned with this three word message. Oh, not Karen. Let's go with Julian.

[A]

Let's let our guests all together.

[D]

I don't know. It's tax the rich.

[C]

It was tax the rich.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Karen's running away with it. I need to, you know, let somebody else jump in here. Yes. Often described as the queen of pop rap, this musical artist very appropriately donned feline facial features for the 2023 gala. Colin was first.

[A]

Is that Doja cat?

[C]

That is Doja cat. Nicely spotted.

[B]

Woo.

[C]

Yes. And finally, this boundary pushing fashion forward rapper turned up wearing silver body paint, 5,000 tiny crystals and very little else at the 2023 Met Gala.

[B]

2023.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Boundary pushing.

[C]

Yeah. Silver body paint, 5,000 individually applied little tiny crystals and not much else.

[D]

Nicki. Nicki Minaj.

[C]

Not Nicki Minaj.

[B]

Lil Nas X. Lil Nas X. Lil Nas X.

[C]

Phenomenal Met Gala costuming for Lil Nas X. Yes, there we go. That is my fashion.

[A]

Very nice.

[C]

But of course, you notice that every question had some kind of little hint as to. As to who that person was. Because I realized, I think very quickly that if the. If the quiz was simply like, who wore this?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's not gonna fly.

[B]

Good job, Chris.

[C]

Thanks. Thanks. I tried.

[B]

Well, I have a quick quiz. I have a quick lightning round quiz. Are we. Are we up for a lightning round? Yeah, just a small one. Just a little amuse bouche. All right, here. Lightning round. I have a list of famous fashion brands. Could be clothes, could be accessories. Last season, Colin, you had a quiz titled Famous people with animals in their names.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So here I have a lightning round of famous brands with animals in their logo.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I will give you the brand and you have to buzz in and tell me what is the animal in their logo? Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It gets. It's gonna get harder.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yep, I believe it.

[B]

All right, here we go. Hermes.

[A]

Colin, is it a Fox?

[B]

Incorrect news.

[A]

Off to A tough start. Yeah. I'm struggling.

[D]

A horse.

[B]

It is a horse.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Thank you.

[C]

Of course.

[A]

Thank you, Julio.

[C]

Of course.

[B]

Horse carriage.

[C]

Oh, oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Coach is also horse and carriage. A lot of kind of leather goods in that direction. All right, Lacoste. Coolio.

[D]

I don't know if it's an alligator or crocodile, but one of those two.

[B]

Okay, you have to choose one.

[D]

Alligator.

[A]

Crocodile. It is the crocodile, Right, because that was. That was his name, his nickname, right?

[B]

Yeah. Named after the tennis player, Lacoste. His nickname was the crocodile in French. All right, next brand, Abercrombie and Fitch.

[C]

Oh, wait, no, I didn't buzz in. That wasn't me.

[A]

I'm just gonna say it is.

[B]

All right, Colin, is it a bird?

[A]

Is it. Is it, like, a bird of some kind?

[B]

It is a moose.

[A]

Oh, man. Okay. No, I thought.

[D]

It's not a moose.

[C]

I thought that were those antlers. Yeah, that was his mighty wingspan.

[A]

Not close.

[B]

How do you explain the four legs?

[C]

It's a goosebird. Yeah, it's a boost.

[B]

Okay, next brand, Swarovski.

[A]

Oh, Colin, this one I do know. It is a bird. I believe it's a swan, right? Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Don'T everybody buzz in at once. Roots.

[A]

Oh, grand roots. Colin, is it a. A beaver?

[B]

It is a beaver.

[A]

Because they're Canadian.

[B]

Canadian.

[D]

Appropriate for y'.

[A]

All.

[D]

You guys love your beavers.

[C]

I know we do.

[B]

Next, one, graffiti artist turned fashion designer, Mark Echo.

[A]

Oh, yeah, Julio.

[D]

It's a rhinoceros. Rhinoceros.

[B]

Yes. Rhinoceros. Good job. Bag brand. Dooney and Bork. Dooney and Burke.

[A]

Colin, is that a duck?

[B]

It's a duck.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's a duck.

[A]

I'm on the bird beat over here, guys. Don't you worry.

[B]

You know your birds. All right, Golfer. Also turned fashion clothing person, Greg Norman.

[C]

Oh, oh, oh, Colin.

[A]

It must be a shark, because that's his nickname.

[B]

Right?

[C]

I was gonna say that. I was gonna say that. I didn't say it.

[B]

All right, next brand, Hollister. Oh, Ultra California.

[A]

Cool. I see a lot of Hollister shirts around the po. The Bay Area. What is the animal?

[D]

I'm gonna guess like a seal. No.

[B]

It is a seagull. It is a seagull.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[D]

See, you aren't supposed to be on the bird beat. Kong.

[A]

I'm slipping. I'm totally slipping.

[B]

Right, last one here, Emporio Armani. Oh, can you picture it? An animal in between those two words in a stylized little stripey. Julio.

[D]

A snake.

[B]

It is an eagle. It is a Regal eagle.

[C]

Oh, I can. Yeah. Now I can kind of see it.

[B]

Kind of made out of stripes. There we go.

[A]

That was fun. I like that a lot.

[B]

Lightning round.

[D]

Well, hey, guys, I'm actually glad I'm visiting because by coincidence, I have a quiz for you.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

How fortuitous.

[D]

So, part of my quiz is I do a round called a Find the Connection. So there's a hidden theme to this round.

[A]

Okay, maybe.

[D]

Maybe it'd be better to write it because it would help you at the end.

[A]

Yeah, let's do it.

[D]

Question number one. Founded in the 8th century, what is the oldest university in the English speaking world?

[B]

English speaking world.

[D]

Yes. There's a couple Italians. Ones that are older, apparently.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Flip that coin, Karen.

[B]

Oh, no.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, I mean, Colin and Chris.

[D]

Got it.

[A]

It's Oxford.

[D]

Not Oxford, not Cambridge. That is the other one that you probably think of.

[A]

But.

[D]

Sorry. Flying, dance and swinging are a few varieties of what Circus act that has performers doing tricks on metal bars attached to the ceiling by a rope. All right, y' all got a trapeze? Trapeze. Okay, now you should be thinking the connection. What's.

[B]

I already got it, guys.

[D]

Oh, really? Wow.

[A]

Oh, Carries.

[D]

Confident.

[A]

I gotta work harder. Think harder, Colin.

[D]

This British Crown dependency is an island off the coast of Normandy and is about 3,500 miles from the shore of the new version.

[B]

I know.

[C]

Wow. Say it again.

[D]

This British Crown dependency is an island off the coast of Normandy and is about 3, 500 miles from the shore of the new version.

[C]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Give me a game going.

[A]

Okay. All right.

[C]

All right.

[D]

Karen knows what I think.

[A]

Karen. Right away.

[C]

Karen has got it. Yeah.

[D]

Jersey is correct. Jersey. Karen and Colin got it. All right, here's our next question. The American Film Institute defines what film genre as embodying the spirit, the struggle and the demise of the new frontier.

[B]

All right, answers up.

[D]

Y' all got it. It's Western. Western. Good job. After the Eagles broke up in 1980, which drummer and singer of that band had his own solo hits with Boys of Summer? And all she wants to do is dance.

[B]

Theme is helping.

[A]

Yes, it is.

[C]

Right, right, right.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I got there.

[D]

Maybe.

[C]

Yeah, I'm not sure.

[A]

Maybe a little behind Taryn, but I think.

[C]

Give me another 15 seconds.

[D]

Don Henley. Don Henley.

[A]

Don Henley.

[D]

All right, here's our next question. Believed to be the oldest teen sport. What game played on horseback has its origins in ancient Persia? All right.

[B]

Polo.

[C]

Polo.

[B]

Polo.

[A]

Polo.

[D]

Polo. This would be the last One. Maybe we'll help you with the theme. So pay attention. What is the symbol for the Tesla? The SI unit for magnetic flux density.

[B]

Oh, say it again.

[D]

What is the symbol for the Tesla? The SI unit for magnetic flux density?

[A]

The sim. Like the. Like the unit symbol, Right?

[D]

The unit symbol.

[B]

Yes. Oh, okay.

[A]

Well, okay.

[B]

Oh, I don't know how that ties into the theme.

[A]

I think you do.

[B]

I mean, is it.

[D]

Or.

[A]

I'm not gonna be totally wrong, but if it fits the theme.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, answers. It's the letter T. The letter T.

[D]

Our last question. What do the previous answers have in common?

[B]

Shirts.

[D]

For all types of shirts. Yes.

[B]

Oxford shirt, polo.

[A]

A Henley trapeze western shirt. What is. What is a trapeze shirt? That's the only one that I just.

[D]

Figured out from context actually is very loose up top and then they kind of tight on the bottom.

[A]

Ah.

[D]

Yeah. It's actually similar to what the trapeze artists often wears. Like, kind of like that. You have to tuck it in.

[A]

I like it. That's good.

[B]

Thanks, Julio, for the quiz.

[D]

Yeah, no problem. Thanks for playing with me.

[A]

That was fun. I love a good theme with a quiz.

[B]

That's such a good punk quiz round.

[A]

It is.

[D]

I think so. Yeah.

[B]

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[C]

You're listening to Good Job Brain. Smooth Puzzles, Smart trivia. Good Job Brain.

[B]

And we're back. This week. We're talking about clothes. We're talking about fashion. I just want to share this. I don't know if anybody else thinks this is funny, but I, I lost it. So in the Good Job Brain Lobe Trotters, our Good Job Brain listener fan group on Facebook. You know, I would share like funny trivia things. And one of the things I shared recently was there's a diagram that shows all the possible sleeves out there. Like what all the sleeve types are called.

[D]

Like cap or.

[B]

Yeah, we might know a cap sleeve or like a bell sleeve. That one, one style. I'm going to describe it on air is this. Imagine like an old timey Mary Poppins character where the top of the shoulder sleeves are puffy and it's long sleeves and it gets tight to the wrist.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know, so it's like billowy shoulder and it kind of tapers and then it's tight on the wrist.

[A]

Like an old school marm or something.

[B]

Yes, exactly. That's like a governess. Apparently this style is called leg o mutton. Like.

[A]

Oh, like a lamb. Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

It does look like a drumstick or like a haunch of a meat, but it's like a lady's arm and so Good Job Brain listener Michelle comments. She goes, I can't imagine a less appealing description Than leg o mutton. And I have to award James here the best commenter of the year. In our group, James wrote a little, a little snippet of a novella. I'm gonna do a dramatic reading. This is his comment. Cynthia, that's a lovely design. What do you call it? Her mind went blank. All of the names she'd been considering blown glass. Spaghetti squash in a shopping bag, Thick to thin. They had all disappeared. She thought of the cold gammon sandwich waiting for her in the ice box and before she could stop herself she blurted out, lego mutton.

[A]

No, that's great. And well read. And well read too, I might add.

[B]

Karen. Such a glimpse of what a novel went blank.

[A]

Yeah, that's great.

[C]

That's great.

[B]

Oh my God. Just spaghetti squash and shopping bag. It's so good.

[A]

I like thick to thin. Thick to thin, yeah, that's the name that you write down. But you know, it's just because there's no bad ideas in brainstorming like you leave it on the whiteboard. Thick to thin. Just so you don't have to write it down again later.

[B]

Oh, my God, I'm crying. Colin, enough Lego mutton talk. What are you cooking for us?

[A]

You know, one of the topics we love to talk about on the show is obsolete jobs. And Karen. I was in fact already working on a piece for the show on obsolete jobs that was sort of related. That was sort of related to occupation names. It was kind of a spiritual successor. You may recall we talked about on the show a while ago about occupation names, talked about all the classics, like Cooper, you know which A Cooper is somebody who makes barrels and. That's right, exactly. A glover, a Slater, you know, somebody who specializes in putting slate on rudes later among the many Slaters. That's right. So I decided I'm going to reshape this piece I was working on. You gave me some focus. I brought it into. Into a piece about fabric and cloth and fashion industry related occupations. Not occupation names, but just about obsolete occupations and jobs related to this world. So I've got a four or five here. We will start with an occupational name. Do you guys remember, I think we talked about this long ago, the surname and the occupation of Fuller, F U, L L E R. Do you remember? Do you know what was or is a Fuller? What is something to do with hats? No, it's. It's more. It's more raw, even. A Fuller was someone who prepared wool in the process of making final wool, the raw elements into what you could wear. Fulling was basically A very early step in the wool process where you're taking the first step of processed wool and you're cleaning it, you're getting the oil, the dirt, the lanolin, you know, fancy name for sheep sweat. Like just any debris out of the wool fibers, fuling way, way, way back involved working and beating the fibers as you clean it. So not only cleans it, it also shrinks the wool fibers and it makes them more tightly bound, increases the water resistance, all kinds of good things that you want. When you're making wool for clothing going back to ancient times, the main substance they used for fulling is not water. And in copious amounts was not water, was good old pee, good old urine. That's right, that's right. And by old urine, I am being literal, stale urine was preferred for this task. You, you, because you really needed the concentrated goodness and the ammonia and the other that P brought to the process. And there were many small and large scale versions of, of fulling. But a Fuller was somebody whose job was to. To beat work, massage, sometimes literally walk on in a literal vat of urine, walk on the wool to prepare it for the process. It was not always urine. To be clear that there was a lot of water based fulling treatments where you're agitating. The main thing past the cleaning was to agitate the wool fibers. Right. So you could get that with just water. They did eventually bring into the process they discovered Fuller's Earth. We've talked about this on the show.

[B]

Yes, that's related.

[A]

That's right. That's why it was called Fuller's Earth, because it was, it's a clay like substance. Most of us today, if we encounter fuller's earth at all, it's in the form of cat litter, you know, similar like a bentonite or something like that. But it's very good at absorbing the oil and the dirt from wool in particular. The job, of course, eventually became largely extinct. The job of a human working as a fuller, whether you're beating it with your hands in water or stepping on it in tubs of urine. And of course, through the industrial revolution. These days, fulling in the modern sense is done by machine. The process of falling was also known, I learned just for this segment, also known as walking. As I mentioned, you would literally walk on the wall. Tucking was another name for this process as well. These processes give us two more surnames, Tucker and Walker. Yes, Tucker and Walker most likely descended from the occupation name of the someone who was doing tucking as well as walking. Right. Moving right along. I learned about another extinct occupation called the wode dyer. Woad. W o a d. Yeah, it's a woading. It is a plant. That's right. And you know, prior, prior to the invention of artificial dyes, if you wanted to dye your fabric blue, you would very likely use some indigo dye. Yeah, that's right. And you might be thinking, ah yes, indigo, which comes from the indigo plant, which it does. Karen, you of course have talked about the murex genus of sea snail, also purple. That's right. A source of indigo. The murex snails, they produce a mixture actually of indigo and a related more red compound which combine to create, as you say, what we call Tyrian purple. But before, true indigo was exported from India primarily and other places for hundreds of years in Europe. If you wanted to make something blue, you would need to get your hands on some woad. It is a plant, is a flowering plant. The only catch is that with woad you get a lot less indigo per plant, kind of per plant unit. It's not as efficient as with true indigo and it is much more intensive process. It turns out that being a woad dyer was not a particularly enviable job. I'll let you know. Again, it does involve some urine. We can't seem to escape urine. I don't, I did not set out to seek urine related tasks. So right, you got your woad. You know, if you're living in medieval times and you, you are, you need some blue. You'd grow your woad, you'd harvest it, you would break it up into small pieces and you would basically need to start fermenting the, the wo product, okay, is a multi step process, as it turns out, urine quite good at accelerating the fermentation process of these little, you know, bits of woad. And it smelled terrible because you've got these giant vats with pee and stuff in them. Once you get past the urine fermentation, you need to use some other chemicals with varying degrees of danger to get the indigo from essentially just being a pigment state into a soluble state where you can actually use it to penetrate wool or other fibers and change the color. So this was, it was dirty, smelly blue, hard caustic work. In the 1600s, however, Indigo, true indigo, as they say, from the indigo plant, began to be imported into the European continent, which effectively killed large scale woad dyeing as an industry. They didn't need it. It was not nearly, it was not nearly as efficient. They didn't need it. And then of course we have artificial dyes which most Most clothing and textiles these days use artificial dyes.

[B]

So I'm looking this up because I'm like, how, how blue is it? It's pretty blue. It's pretty blue, yeah.

[A]

All right, as we move forward here a little bit, we're going to get to the early days of the industrial revolution. We've got two jobs here. I learned about that I am thankful no longer exist. Which were the doffer and the mule scavenger. It's not a mule doing scavenging. These are both humans doing these jobs. As you guys know, right? In the early days of the industrial revolution, it was free for all in a lot of ways. Unlicensed operators, no regulatory oversight, child labor. I mean, people working crazy hours. Let's talk a little bit about that. Child labor. One of the key roles for children in early textile mills and factories was a job known as the doffer D o F F E r in a giant factory industrial size spinning machine. The bobbins. Okay. Of the fibers were called doffs. And when the bobbins were full spinning, the machine had to stop and they had to replace the dos with fresh ones. So this was a job that didn't need a lot of skill per se or strength. It needed quickness. It needed dexterity. So time is money. You wanted this job done fast. So what else would you do except hire a crew of children to do this job for you? You would have the doffers, who would be kids anywhere from 8 to 12 years old. And when it was time to change the doffs, they would blow the whistle, they would call them in, they would come in as fast as they could, swipe them off, get the fresh ones on there. This was dangerous work. You're on big machines watching out for you. Very dangerous. You're watching out for yourself. There's no, there's no union. There's no one like giving you medical care, right? No. So the kids run in, they change the doffs, change the bobbins, and then they get the heck out of the way so the machine can start back up again and continue. You know, it sounds like in between these rounds of changing, they were kind of free to just hang out, goof off, do whatever, you know, in the vicinity of the mill, as long as they were there, ready to be called back to work. A related job, even more dangerous was the mule scavenger. This was the person scavenging mules. Now what mules were, were sort of the, the bits of usable but leftover material that either falls to the floor, gets caught between the machine or behind machines. That's right. And again, on an industrial scale, when you're paying children to do your labor, they decided, we can't let any bit go unused. We're going to reclaim this and put it back in the system. So. So in the brief moments when the machine is changing over or moving out of the way, these kids would come in and grab the little pieces, reach in and around machinery to get bits of fabric or fibers, I mean, you, you name it. Mangled fingers, heads bashed. I mean, you're lucky if you only get like your hair caught in the machine or something. It's just a total nightmare, a total labor nightmare for kids working as mule scavengers and doers.

[D]

Many must have died doing that job.

[A]

I read at least a report of a couple dying. And again, the factories were not under any obligation to keep records. They certainly were not looking to publicize this horrible. It is quite likely that the number of injuries or deaths is much greater than we have any record of. Yeah, terrible, terrible. Great thing that this does not exist anymore. We will close it out here with something that's maybe more fashion adjacent. I'm going to talk to you guys about pointers. If you guys have watched any Project Runway or similar fashion show for the year, there are pins and needles everywhere. You see them all the time. They're pinning up art, they're pinning things on the mannequins, whatever. Today, virtually every pin or needle you buy is made by a machine from start to finish. They make millions of them. But for thousands of years, for all of human history, basically, up until very recently, needles were made by hand and you would make them out of whatever you could. It got a little more professionalized. You had factories doing it. You know, they're made out of metal instead of bone or stone. Over time, in the early days again of the Industrial revolution, this process moved into a really weirdly dangerous, semi automated state. Okay, so you were sort of making the needles by machine, but you were largely making them by hand, especially finishing them by hand. How do you make a needle? How do you make a needle? All right, you start with. You start with a heavy gauge of wire, right? I mean, process is basically the same. You start with a heavy gauge of wire, usually steel, and you draw it down to the length that you want. So you get your wire to the thickness you want. You cut it to size. All right, how do you make it pointy?

[B]

Sharpen it?

[A]

The pointer was the person whose job it was to grind the points onto the ends of the Needles or the pins.

[B]

With what?

[A]

So they would hold the metal stock, the little pieces against a very fast spinning, grinding stone to do this. Okay, now so among the many hazards of this job of being a pointer are flying pieces of sharp metal hitting you in the face, possibly the eye part of the face, blinding you because you don't have goggles on and you are just a person holding a piece of metal against a fast spinning stone. The occasional exploding grinding wheel. This. This happened with an alarming degree of frequency. Yeah, you get too much friction or heat and speed on the wheel and it would literally just burst into pieces and send flying chunks of grinding wheel. About the absolute grimaced hazard of this job that I read about is called pointers rot.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Pointer's rot was a lung disease brought on by the prolonged inhalation of fine metal.

[D]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[A]

Grinding stone dust, debris in the air. The average life expectancy of a pointer was only 35.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

That just a few years on the job as a pointer would just, again, not intending the pun, would just wear you down. And I read also that the needles were also coated in asbestos as an anti rusting measure. They did not, of course, know that it was not good to be breathing asbestos, let alone handling it. We should all be very thankful that this is done by machines these days. And everything is nice and ventilated and clean and no one's catching bits of needle or stone to the face anymore.

[B]

We just have microplastics.

[A]

Yeah, we just have microplastics.

[B]

Traded one. One problem for another.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We did it, everybody.

[A]

All right, well, thank you for allowing me to bring you down. A bit of obsolete job history there. Fashion, clothing, textile related.

[C]

Lots of walking through pee. Yeah.

[B]

Next time you meet someone whose last name is Walker.

[C]

Like I have fun facts about how you got your name.

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[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And this segment is titled Help, I'm wearing Too many Hats. It's a bit of a. An unusual quiz. There's so many hats, so many, many, many, many different types of hats in the world. All very iconic from different cultures, from different historical times. You know, although we might recognize these hats when we see them, we might not know their official name or their technical name or their proper name. Okay? So here in this quiz, I'm going to give you the official or technical or proper name of a style of a hat. They're all very iconic. We all know them, but you just might not know the name. I'm going to give you a little bit of a description as a clue. And this is the weird thing. You have to write down who is usually or famously seen wearing this hat.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It can be a specific person. It can be maybe a general group of people.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It could be like a profession or you can be fictional characters.

[C]

All right.

[B]

Does that make sense?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

For example, if I say deerstalker, a tweed cap with ear flaps often tied up top, you would write down a famous person. Yes. Sherlock Holmes. You would write down a famous person or people wearing that iconic hat.

[A]

All right.

[C]

All right.

[B]

Technically, you could also say, like, oh, old timey British deer hunters. Which is technically correct. But, like, in the spirit of this quiz, it's the most iconic.

[D]

All right.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

All right.

[B]

So that's kind of the flavor. I mean, again, it's. This is a bit of an experiment, a bit of an unusual quiz because there. There could be a lot of acceptable answers.

[A]

Okay. All right. I look for. I look forward to some favorable judging.

[B]

Well, why don't you buy me some hash browns? You're never going to learn this much about hats as you're about to in this quiz. So many hats. So here we go. First hat is a montera. It's a fur cap with two bulbs on the side. Traditionally from Iberia. A Montera. M O N T E R A A fur cap with two bulbs on the side that's traditionally from Iberia. Everybody is putting their hands next to their heads. Fur cap with two bulbs.

[A]

It is on the side.

[B]

Princess Leia.

[A]

Like Princess Leia.

[B]

Like.

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[C]

All right.

[A]

From Syria.

[B]

Traditionally from Iberia. Who would be wearing a Montera?

[A]

Montera.

[B]

What would you be doing if you're wearing a Montera?

[A]

Are you a farmer?

[D]

For fur.

[A]

Fur.

[B]

Julio's got a good guess. Looking smug over there. Answers up. Sorry, Colin. Answers up. All right. Chris put Bjork. Colin put Don Quixote. And Julio, of course. Answer Matador.

[D]

Matador.

[A]

I was trying. Couldn't picture it, but as soon as you said matador.

[B]

Bull fighting, bull fighter. It's not very nice to the bull. Traditionally from Iberia, Spain.

[A]

And was that the traditional use of that hat was in the bullfighting culture. Okay, all right.

[B]

For, like, for the performance of it.

[A]

Okay, got it.

[B]

All right, next one is a casquette. Casquette. C, A, S, Q, U, E, T, T, E. It's an old timey cotton cap with a peaked brim that can shield eyes from the sun and the rain. Old timey cotton cap. Let's all visualize and manifest with a peaked brim cotton cap.

[A]

Sun and rain.

[B]

People don't really wear these anymore. People wear helmets now. All right.

[C]

Wait, they wear helmets now?

[A]

Oh, geez.

[D]

I don't know if I have it, but.

[B]

All right, answers up. Colin has put a bike rider. Bike riding. Julio's put fishermen, and Chris put bicyclists. It is for road cycling.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Oh, you said helmets.

[A]

The fact that it sounded very French as well. Yeah.

[B]

A lot of, like, old Tour de France photos. Pre helmets.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Wearing these little racing caps. A whoopee cap. Like a whoopee cushion spelled the same way. But a cap. A whoopee cap. A hat often made from a felt fedora with the brim cut into a zigzag edge and turned up. Who wears a whoopee cap. A hat often made from felt fedora with the brim cut into a zigzag edge and turned up.

[D]

Huh? Zigzag. I picture it. I picture it.

[B]

You picture it.

[A]

Wow. You got. You guys got this one. You guys are.

[D]

Huh?

[C]

I wrote down something.

[A]

I don't know, man. Okay.

[D]

Fictional character.

[A]

Oh, all right.

[B]

Leo gave you a clue.

[A]

All right, well, I got it wrong. I'll stick by my answer.

[B]

All right. Colin has put Cab Calloway, who is a very real person. Chris and Julio got it.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Jughead.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

The little sort of zigzaggy, specky cap.

[A]

Yeah, a whoopee cap. Interesting.

[B]

What we call a jughead hat.

[A]

Like, officially called crown. Kind of.

[B]

It's weird that it's a hat that's made from another hat. Usually it's associated with old timey mechanics.

[A]

It wasn't just a jughead thing. Like jughead. I mean, like, it came from somewhere outside of Archie comics. Okay.

[D]

All right.

[B]

Yeah. Next one. I'm pretty sure we've all worn one. A mortar board. A mortar board. A hat named because it looks like a mortar board.

[A]

It really does.

[B]

Used in bricklaying. Answers up. Who usually wears a mortar board? Julio says graduate. Colin put graduates. Chris says graduate. Yes. It's the graduation cap.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That doesn't really stay on your head very well. You have to use, like, A bunch of bobby pins.

[A]

What a scam. What a scam, too. It's graduation time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because graduation time, here's this one company that you have to buy it from. It's meant to last all of, like, 90 minutes.

[B]

Yeah. Next one we have the bicorn. The bicorn, a traditionally military and naval hat with two corners, unlike its sibling, the tricorn, which has three corners. I'll tell you, a tricorn is like a pirate hat.

[D]

Right.

[A]

The town crier.

[B]

Yeah. Like a American revolutionary hat. Who wears. Who famously wears a bicorn?

[A]

Okay.

[C]

What's the matter? Couldn't afford a third corn?

[A]

Yeah, well, not in today's economy.

[B]

Answers, answers. Chris wrote Napoleon, Colin wrote Napoleon, and Julio also wrote Napoleon. It is Napoleon. A lot of other famous people as well. I would have accepted Mr. Captain Crunch. He is also wearing a bicorn hat. Yes.

[A]

I think it's fair to say Napoleon.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Owns the bicorn. Yeah.

[B]

No matter what movie, what depiction, he's always wearing that dang hat. All right, next hat. The capotaine. I'm not sure how to pronounce this. Capotaine. C, A, P, O, T, A, I, N. Capotain, a hat with a tall, slightly tapered crown, often with a big old buckle in the front. The capotein, a hat with a tall, slightly tapered crown, often with a big old buckle in front. Capitan Capote.

[A]

Okay. All right. At least as far as depictions, what.

[B]

Do we call it?

[A]

Have led me to believe.

[B]

Colin put. A pilgrim. Chris put Quaker Oats guy. Julio Long John. Oh, Silver. It is the pilgrim hat. What we associate with is the pilgrim.

[A]

Right. This is going to be one of those things where it's like, one guy. Yeah.

[C]

One guy sits for a portrait with a buckle on his hat, and they're, like, white.

[A]

Yeah. Everyone thinks we have buckles everywhere.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, two more. Here we go. A Tyrolean hat. T Y R O L E A N. Tyrolean hat, traditionally made of green felt and maybe a feather decoration, hails from the Tyrol region of Europe. Tyrolean hat, traditionally made of green felt, maybe has a little feather decoration. Hails from the Tyrol Valley region of Europe.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, I can picture it.

[B]

You can? A group of people. There's some fictional characters, maybe real characters. Real people who also would wear this. A lot of acceptable answers. Let's see.

[A]

I'm going with the classic yodeler. As. As depicted.

[B]

Put Yodeler. Chris put Peter Pan.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Julio says the real.

[A]

Yes, 100%.

[B]

I would have also accepted. Captain von Trapp.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

From Sound of Music. Yes. Also known as the Alpine hat, the yodeler hat, the Swiss hat, October fest costumes, Oktoberfest dress yodeler. Okay. The last hat. Again, hats have different names, so you might know this hat as another name. It is called a gimme hat. A gimme hat, which is a regional name for a baseball cap with a mesh back and a foam front. Like, give it to me. Give me a regional name for a baseball cap with a mesh back and a foam front. Again, lots acceptable answer. Who would wear a gimme hat? What is known as a gimme hat?

[A]

I'm going to give you the alternate name that I, that I learned for this hat and hope that I'm cool.

[B]

Okay. And hopefully that person wears this hat.

[A]

Let's try it.

[B]

Oh, Crystal's thinking, I got nothing.

[C]

I have no idea.

[B]

Yeah, a baseball cap with a mesh back.

[C]

Oh, I know what you said.

[B]

Foam front.

[A]

Oh, I heard you.

[B]

Answers up Chris's blank. Colin put trucker. Julio put trucker. It is. AKA the trucker hat.

[D]

Classic trucker hat list.

[B]

This is fascinating. So a lot of regions call this gimme hat or a feed hat. Famously, in some of Stephen King's work, the gimme hat. In the 70s, this was a very popular freebie, like a promotional thing, which, I mean, it still is today, but that's when it started in the 70s. So, like, a lot of farm feed companies would give out these promotional freebies to farmers, to truckers to wear. A lot of places called it a gimme hack. It's like, give me, give me some free stuff.

[D]

I literally have one for donate to public radio. Exactly.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

With this tasty name on and everything.

[A]

Those definitely had, had a, had a comeback or a moment. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. They're also super easy to like, put a logo on there, you know, with like all the print on demand services.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's flat, it's. It's porous, it's white. Yeah, it's.

[B]

Well, because most baseball hats, you have a seam going down in the middle, whereas a trucker hat, it's pretty flat. It doesn't have a seam. And so you can print something and then you can made it out of foam. Yeah. All right, good job, guys. See a lot of hats, I told you.

[A]

Kara loves like these like, like these really deep pools, like hats sandwiches where it's like you can just go, yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Well, all right. That is our show. Julio, thank you so much for stopping by.

[D]

Thank you for Having me.

[B]

You're such an important trivia person in my life. In addition to Chris and Colin. I'm happy we can hang out again.

[A]

So glad you could join it.

[D]

Yeah, absolutely.

[B]

Where can people find you, Julio?

[D]

Yeah, they can find me on Instagram or Facebook. My company name is Denver Trivia League and yeah, follow us on those social media and come to one of our tribunes if you are in the Denver area. We have a bunch.

[B]

Do you have music quizzes? You have music quizzes in your pub?

[D]

We do, yeah. So we have a music round always and actually do music bingoes just like regular music bingo.

[B]

What's music bingo? What do you think?

[D]

So music bingo is we play short snippets of a song. You can identify the song on like a bingo board.

[A]

More kind of laid back.

[D]

If you kind of want to just hang out at a bar and kind of just listen to music and not have to be.

[B]

No, I want to. I want to be stressed out and yell at my friends at a bar. That's like the. The optimal experience.

[D]

Exactly. We have both options for.

[B]

Thank you all for joining me and thank you listeners for listening in. Hope you learned stuff today about hats, about Met Gala, about shirts and about walking on pee. You can find us on all major podcast apps and on our website, good jobbrain.com this podcast is part of Airwave Media Podcast Network. Visit airwavemedia.com to listen and subscribe to other shows like in the Test Kitchen, the Past and the Curious and Rainbow Puppy Science Lab. And we'll see you next week.

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