313: Into Indigo

Summary

Good Job, Brain! – Episode 313: Into Indigo (August 13, 2026)

Episode Overview

This lively and informative episode of Good Job, Brain! delves deep into all things "Indigo"—from the color's curious legacy in science and fashion to its pop culture appearances and the indelible impact of the Indigo Girls. As always, hosts Karen, Colin, and Chris challenge each other (and listeners) to trivia quizzes and share offbeat facts, making for an episode packed with laughs, knowledge, and fun detours through music, comics, and etymology.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Animal Butt News: The Tale of Cloacal Diving

• Segment Start: [00:38]
• Colin shares a bizarre piece of recent research: remoras (suckerfish) have been observed diving into the cloaca (multi-purpose orifice) of manta rays.
  • Researchers are studying whether remoras do this to hide from predators, look for food (they sometimes eat waste), or hitchhike in spots with reduced drag.
  • Quote: “It does not look like the manta ray likes it.” – Katherine McDonald, study author, as read by Colin [03:06]
  • Animated documentation exists, showing the odd interaction.
• The hosts riff on this phenomenon, with Karen joking, “People pay a lot of money to do that,” referencing popular colonic treatments [04:07], and the group cracking up over “remora at the party” analogies [04:18].

2. Pop Quiz, Hotshot!: Trivial Pursuit Challenge

• Segment Start: [04:34]
• Karen leads the group through a series of questions from assorted Trivial Pursuit cards.
  • Memorable Questions:
    • “What’s the capital of South Africa’s Cape of Good Hope province?” – Answer: Cape Town [05:21]
    • “Who was the first U.S. president to swim three miles in the Pacific?” – Answer: John F. Kennedy [07:11]
    • "What kind of puzzle first appeared in the U.S. in 1913?" – Answer: Crossword puzzle [07:29]
    • Music questions span As I Lay Dying, Michael Jackson’s Thriller, and Amy Winehouse’s “You Know I’m No Good” [10:29].
• The segment is peppered with good-natured banter over guesses and buzzer rivalry.

3. Eggcorn Watch: “Undone Tay” Pasta

• Segment Start: [10:37]
• Chris shares a listener’s linguistic mix-up: Darren Hull’s wife referred to pasta as “undone tay” instead of “al dente.”
  • The discussion turns to how “al dente” is often misused to describe undercooked pasta, when it actually means pasta cooked to be pleasantly firm (“to the tooth”).
  • Quote: “Eggcorn” refers to a misheard word or phrase that retains logical (but incorrect) meaning.

4. Episode Theme Introduction: Indigo

• Segment Start: [12:10]
• Karen sets up the episode’s main theme: all things indigo, promising quizzes and trivia centered on the enigmatic color.

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FEATURED SEGMENTS

A. Gene Jargon: The Language of Denim & Indigo

Host: Karen
Segment Start: [13:46]

• Blue Jeans & Indigo Dye: Indigo’s most significant modern use is coloring denim for blue jeans.
• Canadian Tuxedo Origin Story:
  • The "Canadian tuxedo" term arose from American singer Bing Crosby being denied entry to a fancy Vancouver hotel for wearing denim. Levi’s later gifted him a denim tuxedo jacket in response [15:41].
  • Quote: “Levi’s…created a custom denim tuxedo jacket for Bing Crosby…” – Karen [16:57]
• Fabric Vocab:
  • "Sanforized" means pre-shrunk—so jeans won’t shrink drastically after buying [18:05].
  • "Chambray" is a lighter, breathier fabric than denim, used in navy uniforms and the root of the term "blue collar" [19:26].
  • "Honeycombs," "whiskers," and "stacks" refer to specific wear/fade patterns on jeans [21:06].
  • JNCO Jeans: Graffiti-inspired jeans brand of the ‘90s, targeted at youth and subcultures [22:13].
  • "Big E” Levis: Refers to old Levi’s jeans (1930–1971) with a capital ‘E’ on the label, a collectible indicator [24:30].
• Fun Fact: Collectors prize "Big E" jeans for their vintage American-made denim and quality.

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B. What Even Is Indigo? Color Science, Rainbows, and Newton’s Eccentricities

Host: Chris
Segment Start: [25:56]

• The Rainbow Conundrum:
  • Most people struggle to define “indigo” among ROYGBIV colors.
  • Name comes from Greek “indikos,” meaning “from India”—the main source of indigo dye for centuries [26:23].
• Newton’s Rainbow:
  • Isaac Newton, in "Opticks" (1704), arbitrarily decided there should be seven spectral colors to match the musical scale—so he added orange and indigo [28:30].
  • Quote: "A careful reading of Newton's work...indicates that the color he called indigo, we would normally call blue. And his blue is what we would call cyan.” – Chris [30:39]
  • Modern confusion: “Indigo” in Newton’s time meant blue; what we call “blue” he would assign to cyan.
• Web Indigo Mishap:
  • In web design, “indigo” is defined as a shade of purple due to arbitrary early color mapping by programmers using Crayola crayons as references—leading to "web indigo" being off-base [35:37].
  • Quote: "It has no system to it whatsoever. It’s maddening." – Chris [36:31]
• Etymology Sidebar:
  • The word "orange" also once meant “reddish brown,” only becoming its own color as the fruit became well-known [33:11].
  • Redheads were "red" before "orange" was widespread.
• Famous Dissent:
  • Isaac Asimov’s quote: “It has never seemed to me that indigo is worth the dignity of being considered a separate color. To my eyes, it seems merely deep blue.” [34:56]
• Summary Judgment:
  • Most experts (and the hosts) view “indigo” as largely arbitrary in the rainbow.

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C. Indigo in Pop Culture: The Nightcrawler Quiz

Host: Colin
Segment Start: [42:17]

• Fiction’s Indigo Icon:
  • Only widely recognized "indigo" character: Marvel’s Nightcrawler from the X-Men, noted for his blue/indigo fur.
  • Quiz covers both comic book trivia and broader “nightcrawler” concepts.
    • Powers: Nightcrawler’s core ability is teleportation ("bamf" sound effect) [45:02].
    • Animal Kingdom: A nightcrawler is also a term for annelid worms popular as fishing bait [45:54].
    • Portrayals: Alan Cumming played Nightcrawler in X2 (2003) and will reprise the role in "Avengers Doomsday" [46:40].
    • Pop Culture: The 2014 film Nightcrawler starred Jake Gyllenhaal [47:29].
    • Origin: Nightcrawler is German (Kurt Wagner) [48:39].
    • Errol Flynn Reference: Nightcrawler compares himself to Robin Hood [49:13].
    • Cryptid Fun: The Fresno Nightcrawler—reported as a “walking pair of pants” cryptid seen on home security footage [50:08].
      • Quote: “It just looks like a floppy pair of pants just walking by itself.” – Colin [50:58]
• Comic Relief: The hosts laugh at the “cryptid” video’s silliness and the hosts’ ongoing love for comic trivia.

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D. Lilith Fair in the Movies Quiz: Indigo Girls and Women Rockers on Soundtracks

Host: Karen
Segment Start: [53:41]

• Lilith Fair Background:
  • Founded by Sarah McLachlan in reaction to music industry sexism—intended to elevate female artists collectively [54:43].
• Quiz Structure:
  • Hosts must match Lilith Fair-associated songs to famous movie scenes.
  • Sample questions:
    • Indigo Girls’ “Closer to Fine” (performed as a cover): Featured in Barbie (2024) [56:09].
    • Emmylou Harris: Used in “Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?” (2000) [58:13].
    • Sheryl Crow’s Bond Song: “Tomorrow Never Dies” (1997) [59:23].
    • Pat Benatar: Pajama party in “13 Going on 30” (2004) [61:32].
    • Sarah McLachlan’s “When She Loved Me”: Heart-wrenching scene from “Toy Story 2” (1999) [62:23].
    • The Cardigans: Featured in “Romeo + Juliet” (1996) [64:36].
  • Memorable moment: All hosts audibly react to the emotional weight of Sarah McLachlan’s song in Toy Story 2.
  • Quote: “I’m about to cry.” – Karen [62:23]
• Trivia Takeaways:
  • The richness and influence of 90s female artists, and the surprising ways iconic songs resurface in new contexts.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Newton inventing the spectrum name: “He’s like, oh, these colors, they’re like an apparition. Like a specter...I’ll call this the spectrum.” – Chris [28:30]
• On color confusion for kids: “Some kid probably says... which is ‘what’s indigo?’” – Chris [26:21]
• On web indigo: “When you say color this indigo ... it does not color it indigo. It colors it something that is obviously just straight purple.” – Chris [35:45]
• On Bing Crosby’s denim snub: “So it was the Canadian tuxedo for this Canadian hotel.” – Karen [17:05]
• On the Fresno Nightcrawler cryptid: “It looks like balloon animals with hollow eyes.” – Karen [51:03]
• Eggcorn Watch Highlight: “I like the eggcorn so much that I refuse to tell her that the term is al dente.” – Chris [11:02]

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Important Timestamps

• [00:38] – Animal Butt News: Remoras and manta rays
• [04:34] – Pop Quiz, Hotshot!
• [10:37] – Eggcorn Watch: "Undone tay" pasta
• [12:10] – Introduction to Indigo Episode Theme
• [13:46] – Gene Jargon: Denim & Indigo Quiz
• [25:56] – What is Indigo?: Rainbow & Color Science
• [42:17] – Indigo in Pop Culture: Nightcrawler Quiz
• [53:41] – Lilith Fair in the Movies: Soundtrack Quiz
• [66:21] – Show close & episode wrap-up

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Final Thoughts

This episode manages to make an offbeat color like indigo a launching point for wide-ranging trivia—spanning biology, etymology, music, fashion history, science, and pop culture, all tied together by the hosts’ infectious camaraderie and humor. Standout moments include the Canadian tuxedo’s origins, the confusion over indigo in rainbows and web design, the enthusiastic Nightcrawler quiz, and the beautiful intersection of music and movies via Lilith Fair’s legacy.

Listeners come away with:

• A much greater appreciation (and perhaps skepticism) for the role of indigo in science and culture.
• Practical trivia about jeans, music, and comics.
• A strong dose of nostalgia and laughter.

Good Job, Brains!

Transcript

[Colin]

You're listening to an Airwave Media podcast.

[Karen]

Hello, Megahertz and megawatt megastars and megatrons listening to Megalomaniac by Incubus. Welcome to Good Job Brain, your weekly quiz show and offbeat trivia podcast. This is episode 313. And of course, I'm your humble host, Karen. And we are your weekly Wikipedia wielding weevils.

[Colin]

I am Colin.

[Chris]

And I'm Chris.

[Karen]

I heard that we have some animal butt news. Animal butt update.

[Colin]

This came across my feed. Had to share it with you and the world. Quoting here an article from Scientific American headline, suckerfish are hiding in manta ray's butthole. Butthole in quotes. New study reveals.

[Chris]

Awesome.

[Colin]

Yeah, I mean, you got my attention already. Yeah. So suckerfish hiding in manta ray's butthole. New study reveals the practice of cloacal diving. Cloacal diving, also in quotes, could help remoras hide from predators. Could also be a feeding strategy or help the fish hitchhike. All right, all of this information. Haven't even gotten to the article yet. This is an article by Jackie Flynn Mogenson on Scientific American. Has a fantastic. It's an animated image. Okay, so it's an animated gif at the top of this article, and it is of a manta ray just sort of floating along. And there's a remora here kind of just hovering right. Right by the cloica, you know, and then just diving right in. And you can see the manta ray kind of just like flinch, you know? I mean, I would too. Yeah, yeah. He's like, oh, what you doing there, buddy? Yeah, what's going on back there? So, yes, this is new. This is new research. And indeed, remoras. So this is a fish that are not. Not parasitic necessarily, but they. They live alongside and yeah, they're feeder fish. And they suction themselves onto rays as well as sharks and dol. Dolphins, other things like that. They've known this behavior. Researchers are now studying in detail this cloacal diving, as they call it, where.

[Karen]

So they were sensationalizing the diving aspect.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Karen]

Is diving. It's like Scrooge McDuck diving into the. The swimming pool of coins. This fish, which is not Remora's. They're not that skinny or slim.

[Colin]

They. No, it's like a fish. It's like. It's like a fish fish. Yeah, yeah.

[Karen]

Leaping in with very good aim.

[Colin]

You're going to need to do with a little force here. Right. The. The cloaca, as, as you may know, is the. The. Let's Say the all. The all purpose opening that many animals have that they use for waste as well as reproduction. This is the article. Quote, it does not look like the manta ray likes it, says Katherine McDonald, who is the senior study author and marine biologist at University of Miami. Right. And indeed, it does not look like the manta ray likes it. The point of this study is beyond just documenting it. And. And I mean thoroughly documenting it. There are photos with arrows. There's video like, this is. This is a thing. It's not just some. Some remora with a fetish that they found. No, it's. They found the remorse.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Right.

[Colin]

So they're trying to figure out. Right. Is it that they're hiding from predators, it's safe in there. Is it that they're looking for food? Because, you know, it's a little gross here, but remoras do often eat a diet that includes scraps and feces and waste and stuff like that. Right. Or it might just be that they're. They're hitchhiking for a spot with, quote, reduced drag. They write in the study.

[Karen]

Yeah. Free. Free colonic.

[Chris]

Wow.

[Karen]

In a way.

[Chris]

Yeah. Right?

[Colin]

Mm.

[Karen]

People pay a lot of money to do that.

[Colin]

It's like the doctor Fish, right? It's. It's the new kind of doctor Fish. Yeah, exactly.

[Chris]

What's the matter with that guy? Oh, he's got a remora in his Clovaca.

[Colin]

Party was going great. Yeah. And then Dave came in. You know, he's such a remora in the click at the party. Yeah.

[Karen]

Oh, my face. Oh. Okay. Well, let's move on. Time for our first general trivia segment. Ah, pop quiz, hotshot. Here I have two random Trivial Pursuit cards from the box. You guys have your barnyard buzzers. Listeners, let's answer some questions here. I have. My cards are from trivial pursuit genus 2 and trivial pursuit music singles. So let's start with Trivial Pursuit, genus two. Here we go. Buzzers at the ready. Blue wedge for geography. What's the capital of South Africa's Cape of Good Hope province?

[Chris]

Wow. Capital of a province.

[Colin]

Capital of the province.

[Karen]

Colin.

[Colin]

Johannesburg.

[Karen]

Incorrect. Cape Town.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Karen]

Pink wedge for entertainment. What comic actor? Oh, no. This is kind of mean. Okay, what comic actor did Joan Rivers say gave Susan Anton quote hickeys on her knees?

[Colin]

All right. Comic Joan Rivers era. All right, who. All right, so we're going back a ways. If Joan.

[Chris]

I don't know. I don't know. Who. I don't know. Who have, I don't know dated Susan Anton? Because I don't Know who Susan Anton

[Karen]

is on her knees? This is like.

[Chris]

It's a short person. Comic actor.

[Colin]

We get it.

[Chris]

And they're short.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Karen]

British.

[Colin]

Okay. I. I was. I was already gonna guess someone British.

[Chris]

Oh, oh, okay.

[Colin]

Dudley Moore.

[Karen]

Dudley.

[Chris]

Yeah. That's funny because I don't. I'm so disconnected. Like, I don't equate him with, like, being short, you know, But. Okay.

[Karen]

All right. Yellow edge history. Who Was the first U.S. president to swim three miles in the Pacific?

[Chris]

Wow. Okay.

[Colin]

Okay. The first U.S. the wording of this

[Karen]

is strange because it's like. Is it the first US President to swim in the Pacific? Or were there presidents before him that only swam one mile or two miles?

[Colin]

Yeah. Or waited in the Pacific.

[Chris]

Were they. Were they. Were they, like, sitting president or just anybody?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Karen]

Chris.

[Chris]

Ronald Reagan. No, before.

[Colin]

That's a.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

That's.

[Karen]

That's.

[Colin]

That's a good guess, huh? Yeah.

[Karen]

Oh, that is. You know what? Reagan is a good guess. It's from California.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's Governor of California. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Chris]

Colin, you want to throw one out there is.

[Colin]

Is it a 20th century president?

[Karen]

Yes.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Karen]

Colin.

[Colin]

John F. Kennedy.

[Karen]

JFK. Wow. On a roll with your guesses. Brown wedge. What kind of puzzle first appeared in the US in the New York world on December 21, 1913?

[Colin]

Chris, thanks.

[Chris]

A crossword puzzle.

[Karen]

Crossword puzzle. Green wedge. For science in nature. Which.

[Chris]

Oh, boy, here we go.

[Karen]

Which horse has more teeth? The male or female?

[Chris]

50.

[Colin]

50.

[Karen]

Go for it.

[Colin]

Male.

[Karen]

Chris.

[Chris]

Man, I don't know. That's ridiculous. They got different amounts. All right, I guess I'll. I guess I'll go female because Colin said male.

[Colin]

Yeah. Let's have some conflict here.

[Karen]

All right, the answer is the male.

[Chris]

Okay. Wow.

[Karen]

Last question on this card. Sports and Leisure. Orange wedge. Where does baseball's umpire in chief stand?

[Chris]

Ooh. Huh?

[Karen]

Lot of refs and umpires.

[Chris]

A lot of them out there. The.

[Karen]

I guess there's a head. There's a head. One.

[Chris]

I don't know. Behind home plate.

[Karen]

Behind home plate. Verbatim.

[Colin]

Did not overthink it. Don't overthink it.

[Karen]

Yeah. All right, next card here, Trivial pursuit music singles bluet for bands. What Metal Death Band released the 2007 album An Ocean Between Us.

[Colin]

What metal.

[Chris]

What? Death.

[Colin]

Metal death band. Okay. 2007 is a well known band. Is it like a. Like you've heard of them?

[Karen]

I've never heard of them.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Karen]

I am not okay in that scene. It is As I Lay Dying.

[Chris]

Oh, okay.

[Colin]

I've. I've seen that name Before Yellow Edge,

[Karen]

what Michael Jackson album won three Grammy awards and celebrated its 25th anniversary in 2008?

[Chris]

Oh, Chris, that's got to be Thriller.

[Karen]

Thriller. Thriller.

[Chris]

Because that's 83.

[Colin]

Yeah, right.

[Karen]

Purple wedge. What type of drums are typically used by thrash and heavy metal drummers to create extreme and intense beats?

[Chris]

Really,

[Karen]

Colin?

[Colin]

Are they looking for, like, the kick drum, bass drum?

[Karen]

Is that what, the double bass drum?

[Colin]

Oh, the double. Okay, all right. Oh, sure.

[Karen]

Green wedge. What rap artist wrote songs for other singers like Aaliyah before breaking out with her debut album the Rain? Parenthesis. Supa Dupa Fly.

[Colin]

Yeah. Isn't that Missy Elliott? Oh, sorry. I can't stand the rain.

[Karen]

Yes, Missy Elliot.

[Colin]

Forgot to buzz. My bad.

[Karen]

Misdemeanor Elliot. Last question in pop quiz, hotshot. What Amy Winehouse song warns you that she's going to do you wrong? Chris, just go for it.

[Chris]

No. Wow. Okay. Warns you that she's going to do you wrong. Is that you know that I'm no good.

[Karen]

You know I'm no good.

[Chris]

Okay, all right. Okay, great.

[Colin]

Great song.

[Karen]

Good job, everybody. Good job. Brains.

[Chris]

I have some more ado before we. Before we are done with the ado, we have another eggcorn. Watch. This one comes from Good Job Brain Facebook group member Darren Hull, who posted this in the Good Job Brain Lobe Trotters Facebook group. Darren writes, my wife recently told me that her pasta was a bit undone. Tay.

[Colin]

Undone.

[Chris]

He said. I like the egg corn so much that I refuse to tell her that the term is al dente. Now, what's interesting now, first of all, I agree, I love it. It's a wonderful egg corn. It's a little al dente. Now, what's funny is, of course, al dente, meaning, you know, to the teeth in Italian. The idea behind al dente is that is how you should be cooking pasta. You're supposed to cook it so it still has some kind of a bite. You've still got to go through it with the teeth. You don't want to mush where it just falls apart in your mouth. You want to have a little bit of resistance. But I think that people. People sort of trying to be polite when the pasta is, like, undercooked and bad. It's like, oh, it's a bit al dente, don't you think? You know, like. But now al dente has undergone this sort of linguistic shift where people think it means that the pasta is underdone. Oh, it's still al dente. You have to cook it more. Basically, yeah. I'm going to start using andante, I think. Thank you. Thank you, Darren. And Darren's wife, she doesn't know. I know who's probably listening to this episode, like, slapping him, going like, you told them that.

[Karen]

All right, today's episode. Oh, boy. This week, our topic is Indigo. Tricky there. So I'm. I'm excited to see what you guys came up with. We've prepared quizzes and segments all around Indigo. So this week, we're in to Indigo.

[Chris]

So last weekend, I was at the floor flea market. I ran into a pair of co workers who I had not seen in a decade, and they just happened to be at this flea market, and they were like, hey, Chris, what's up? And I'm like, oh, you know, just looking for video games as I usually am. And I'm like, what's up with you guys? And they said to me, we are going to an indigo dye party. They were going to a party where everybody gets together and they have a big batch of indigo dye. And. And they're like, we're looking for white stuff at the flea market that we can bring to the indigo die party. Again, this was literally just days ago. And I'm like, wow. After not having had to think about Indigo for, let's be honest, my whole life, it just came up just as we were prepping to do the Indigo episode of Good Job Brain. If that is not an incredible coincidence, I do not know what is.

[Colin]

It's the universe talking to you.

[Karen]

Well, of course, on an episode about Indigo, we cannot not talk about blue jeans.

[Colin]

Yeah, right.

[Karen]

Mentioned indigo dye. Denim manufacturing is by far the dominant industrial use for indigo dye worldwide.

[Chris]

Worldwide.

[Karen]

In honor of that, I here have a quiz I call Gene Jargon. Yeah, not. Not a DC comic book character. Gene. Ms. Jean Jargon.

[Colin]

Sassy reporter Gene Jargon.

[Karen]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Karen]

Interesting terms. Vocab industry slang around denim and fashion. Starting with this one. What is the term you use for an outfit that is head to toe in jeans? So, like. And a jeans bottom column. What do you call it? Different people call different things.

[Colin]

All right, first, with apologies to our northern neighbors, I was taught that this was called a Canadian tuxedo.

[Karen]

Yeah, Canadian tuxedo. Also Texas tuxedo. Ah, nice alliteration there. Double denim. I hear this more. Which is denim on denim. There's a denim Dan, which is based on a super Troopers character. A lot of different names for, like, a. Like a full denim outfit, but yes, Canadian tuxedo is. Is by far the most popular. Why do you think people call it Canadian tuxedo? Like what, what is the imagery of it?

[Colin]

I think it's meant to be, you know, a mocking, condescending, maybe view of, oh, that's what they think is fancy up in Canada, they got so much. It's just denim. It's not like a real tuxedo.

[Karen]

I don't know, Canadian tuxedo, Texas tuxedo. It really gives off. Oh, it's like rustic.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Karen]

The origin of the term Canadian tuxedo is so excited. Opposite.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Karen]

American singer, crooner, actor, entertainer, Bing Crosby. Bing Crosby had something to do with Canadian tuxedo. Was very fond of wearing jeans and being comfortable. And so he was on vacation in Canada on a hunting trip. Him and his probably also famous friends, they tried to check into a hotel in Vancouver. And the Vancouver hotel was very, very, very fancy. And I guess the person who was checking them in didn't recognize that it was Bing Crosby. And because they were wearing denim and looking casual, the desk clerk wouldn't give them a room.

[Colin]

Huh.

[Chris]

Wouldn't.

[Karen]

Wouldn't check them in. Being like, what you're wearing is not up to our dress code. You know, we're a very high class hotel. Turns out, oh, it's Bing Crosby. Whoops, sorry, sir. Checked him in. And this funny story got to Levi's. And so Levi's, in a kind of a snarky, petty move, created a custom denim tuxedo jacket for Bing Crosby.

[Chris]

Mm.

[Karen]

Thanks for being a fan. Next time you check in this hotel, why don't you just wear this on top as well? Like, you know, full blazer, lapel, you know?

[Colin]

Okay.

[Karen]

And it's like, hopefully they won't give you any trouble anymore. And so it was the Canadian tuxedo for this Canadian hotel.

[Colin]

Wow, I've never heard that story. That's amazing.

[Karen]

It turns out Canada was too fancy. All right, next question. When you buy a San Friese pair of jeans, San Ferrized, that means it has already gone through the mechanical process of what?

[Colin]

Right,

[Karen]

Colin?

[Colin]

I believe it's. It's like a heat treatment or a pressing something like that with it. With. Am I. Am I anywhere close to it? To the fibers? Oh, why? It's to make it more durable. Right. Or water repellent or longer lasting, Something like that.

[Karen]

The process you're describing is accurate, but there's a reason why.

[Colin]

Why they do it.

[Karen]

Most places process the denim before they get made into a garment.

[Colin]

Why?

[Karen]

Well, San friese is a fancy term or the mechanical term for basically saying it's pre shrunk. It's Pre shrunk mechanically so that when you get your pair of jeans and you throw it in the washer and dryer, it's not going to shrink. And now it's like, for a doll, important.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And they will often say on the label, right. Pre shrunk or pre shrunk.

[Karen]

And I think most clothes we buy went through the sanferizing process, named after a Mr. Sanfer who invented this process. So it's more true to size.

[Colin]

Got it. Got it.

[Karen]

It's funny because I'm sure this used to be a big problem maybe 50 or 100 years ago, but now it's like a lot of. A lot of the fabrics are pre treated so that they won't shrink in the wash anymore. Or at least they'll shrink like 1% to 3%, not 30%.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah. A little more predictable.

[Karen]

All right, next question. What fabric looks similar to denim, but it's more lightweight and it breathes better? The US Navy officially authorized it as part of their utility uniforms in 1913, and then it made its way to industrial era workwear and eventually contributed to the expression blue collar.

[Chris]

What fabric is this?

[Karen]

Looks similar to denim, but it looks similar to denim. Feels more lightweight. It feels thinner. You know, denim's pretty thick.

[Colin]

Yeah. Is it also made of cotton?

[Karen]

Is also made of cotton. It's weaved in a different way. Has a very.

[Colin]

I know. We're gonna know it.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Karen]

If you're a Seinfeld fan, you might say, sleep tight mates in your quilted chambray night shirt.

[Chris]

Oh, wow. No, I don't know that.

[Karen]

When you're out buying a denim shirt, most of the time it's chambray because it's lighter. It's not. You're not wearing, like, big, thick jeans on your body. It's chambray. And yes, chambray then became part of the Navy uniform. When you seen old pictures of Navy guys, they're in light blue shirts.

[Colin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Karen]

And then the blue shirts of blue collar workers. That's where blue collar came from.

[Colin]

I mean, I. I knew they were blue.

[Karen]

They're blue because it's easier to hide sweat stains. Grime versus a white shirt. All right, next question. Honeycombs, whiskers, and stacks are all terms for what usually found on a pair of worn jeans. Honeycombs, whiskers, and stacks are all names of what. What happens usually found on a pair of worn jeans.

[Colin]

Colin, Is it like the distress lines? Like the. You know, where the white stress lines of the wear and the fading?

[Karen]

It is the fade whiskers.

[Colin]

I.

[Karen]

Most people know whisker is like on your upper thigh, you know, because you sit down, the fabric punches and you'll get, like these lines. Yeah. The crease lines across your thigh are whiskers. Honeycombs is the pattern behind the knees. So if your jeans get creased and it fades away, distresses it. Does it in a. Like, it almost looks like an accordion.

[Colin]

Okay, Yeah, I can picture that.

[Karen]

Right, right, right. And then stacks are what happens at the. The ankle part, like the. The bottom part of your jeans above. So they all have names for, like, wear patterns.

[Colin]

I love that. Just. There's a taxonomy for just like. Just these different types, like, all on your lower body. You can have. Yeah. The different types of the. The fade patterns.

[Chris]

That's great.

[Karen]

All right, next question. In this Gene jargon quiz. Moroccan French brothers Haim Riva and Jacques Riva hit it big in the 90s with what jeans brand inspired by graffiti culture?

[Chris]

Hmm. Chris, is that jnko's?

[Karen]

It's Janko.

[Colin]

Gotta be.

[Karen]

I had.

[Colin]

You must have had some jankos.

[Karen]

Maybe 10 pairs.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, 10. Oh, my goodness. Whoa.

[Karen]

Oh, yeah. All the different widths, the openings. Jankos, yes. Notorious 90s, where Janco pronounced Janco J, N, C, O. The founders were actually pretty private and maybe mysterious. They didn't really give out interviews and. And so they never elaborated what Janco stood for. Jnc.

[Colin]

I was hoping to find out.

[Karen]

I assumed it was jeans company. Some say it's an acronym for Judge none choose one. Some people say it means journey of the chosen ones.

[Colin]

I just imagine all just like the skater teens, like, trading the theories and what it stands for. It's fantastic. Do they still sell and produce the Janco jeans?

[Karen]

Jancos are still available to buy. I'm unsure what is the corporate ownership history or what's happening on a corporate level. You can still buy Jancos and they're still big jeans. It's funny, it was jeans that were first targeted towards teenagers. It's not like. So it's not adult jeans and it's not little kitty jeans. This is like subculture jeans for teenagers, young adults. We haven't seen jeans this big with such wide openings. It just was really practical for skateboarders, especially rollerbladers, because you can wear knee pads underneath and then they're big enough to accommodate rollerblades.

[Colin]

I mean, you could have two legs in one side of them. Yeah, you can. Yeah.

[Karen]

All right, last question here in this Gene jargon quiz. This is a fun one, kind of a Like a lateral thinking puzzle. So denim heads and vintage fashion fans have been on the hunt for the coveted and elusive Big E jeans. Big E, the letter E jeans. Using your skill of deduction and your experience in appraising collectibles, take a guess. What do you think are what people call big E?

[Colin]

Okay, I have a guess.

[Chris]

I have a guess. I have a guess.

[Karen]

Chris.

[Chris]

I think it's like the word Levi's is spelled with a capital E versus A versus a small E. And that indicates like the earlier Levi's genes.

[Karen]

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. That's it. That's it. From the years 1930 to 1971. The Levi's pocket tab spells Levi's, all caps, L E, V, I apostrophe S. Big.

[Chris]

Got it.

[Karen]

And then after 1971, they changed it to, to title case. So big L and then. Yeah, lowercase. And so it helps people to really date old jeans. And it's like, well, why do you want old jeans? People collect them because they want the, the vintage American made denim. Because now Levi's, a lot of the modern jeans are not made in America. Also, it came from older manufacturing methods that, that people say it's better or more premium, higher quality denim. You know, there's like production details that people are looking out for and then also just kind of the, the nostalgia of like this historical Levi's area. Yeah, but yeah, finding a pair of Biggie jeans is a big deal. Big.

[Chris]

Interesting, interesting. Okay, now I know what to look for.

[Colin]

Yeah, go raid your grandpa's drawers, see what you can find in there.

[Chris]

Yeah, I will not be raiding my grandpa's drawers.

[Karen]

All right, good job, Brains.

[Chris]

So I would like to talk about what I think might be a universal sort of experience, whether we remember it or not. You go to kindergarten and you sit down and the teacher is like, okay, today we're going to learn the colors of the rainbow. And they are red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet. And some kid probably says, but all the other kids are thinking, which is, what's indigo?

[Colin]

What's indigo?

[Karen]

What the heck?

[Chris]

And the teacher is like, well, you know, it's this color here and it's sort of, it's like between the blue and the purple, it's like, really? That's a color. Okay, so the name, so indigo, the word comes from the Greek indicos, which means Indian, as in from India, as in that's where they got their indigo dye from. That's was from India. So it's, it's. They called it indigo as In Indian. As in like Indian parentheses dye. Right. It's. It was a blue dye made from. Not an indigo dye. Blue. We call them blue jeans, call them indigo jeans, call them Levi's. Indigo jeans, call them blue jeans because it's blue. So what is indigo? Why is indigo here? What is it doing? Wherefore art thou indigo? It's the I in Roy T. Biv. It makes the acronym easier to say. But, like, does it exist as a separate concept? What is the deal? Well, turns out this all goes back to Isaac Newton. So I was going back and looking and yeah, we talked about Isaac Newton in the rainbow on episode, I think 32 or something like that. Long, long time ago. So Isaac Newton, this is all explained in his 1704 book, which is called Optics with a K. Oh, A Treatise of the Reflections, Refractions, Inflections and Colors of Light. This was his. His. His book in which Sir Isaac Newton documented his groundbreaking research into how does light work. Colors experiments with prisms where he showed that white light contains all the colors and you can refract them and then you can put them all back into a prism and, you know, create white light again. And Isaac Newton was the one who took the prism, passed the light through it, shown a, you know, kind of a rainbow on his wall, and he's like, oh, these colors, they're like an apparition. They're like a. They're like a specter. Yeah, I'll call this the spectrum.

[Karen]

The spectrum. I am going to rip my face off.

[Chris]

Yes, yes.

[Colin]

Specter.

[Chris]

It was a specter.

[Karen]

Wait, did you know already know this, Colin? No, I am today. Today.

[Colin]

I have heard this. I have heard this before.

[Karen]

Oh, my God. But now it's like we use the term spectrum. Completely devoid of this. Ghost.

[Colin]

It means second.

[Chris]

Second level on a line or that, you know. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He called it like, oh, these are the spectral colors. This is this the spectrum. Because it. Because it's sort of like this ghostly apparition that he caused to appear on his. On his wall, this rainbow. And so this is where Sir Isaac Newton was like, I'm gonna name all the colors that I see in here now. Actually, there's a lot. There's a lot of colors in there. I think that there's some. There's some question as to whether there's a. There's an infinite number of colors in the rainbow or whether it's actually finite because everything is a certain wavelength and it's. But there's a lot. At first he was Like, I see red, yellow, green, blue and violet. And then he was like, I think actually there should be seven, because the musical scale has seven notes. Do, re, mi, magical number. Seven is the magic number.

[Karen]

A little haphazard.

[Chris]

So I think that there should be seven. So what he jammed in there was orange and indigo. So here's. This is from a book called Introduction to Light by Gary Waldman. And Gary Waldman pointed out. Well, first of all, he says Newton named seven colors in the spectrum. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. More commonly today, we only speak of six major divisions, leaving out indigo. A careful reading of Newton's work is. Indicates that the color he called indigo, we would normally call blue. And his blue is what we would call cyan.

[Karen]

Cyan.

[Chris]

Because if you look at the big color spectrum, you see this big old band of cyan in the middle there. And nobody talk. Nobody talks about cyan. Why aren't the teachers telling us about cyan? Why isn't it Roy G. Bakov? You know, it's like nobody's talking about the cyan because that is what historians believe. Looking at. If you. If you start looking at this book that Newton wrote, it becomes clear that when he's talking about blue, blue, blue, blue, blue. He's talking about the cyan in the middle. That's what he's going, blue. So then he's like, well, what's between cyan and purple? He calls that indigo because it looks like the color of indigo dye, which is blue, or what we would call blue today.

[Karen]

Got it.

[Chris]

So really, it's just blue. Now, the funny thing is, again, if you. I'm not suggesting you do this right now, but if you go and you look at, like, rainbow clip art on the Internet, there's so much in there of people trying to figure out, like, what indigo is.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah. How do they push their 7?

[Chris]

Because they make blue, like what we would call, like royal blue, like blue jeans blue. And then they've got like, violet on this end, and they're trying to figure out what could possibly go between them. And they don't really know. Oh, the other thing, by the way, brief tangent. So, yeah, initially he. He used the colors that a lot of people refer to was that you got your red, yellow, green, blue, and then violet. And. And the two that. He's like, okay, I need two more. Okay, let's go with orange. Which was a fairly new concept at

[Colin]

that time in English at that point,

[Chris]

they didn't actually really have a word, orange, until they started importing naranja yeah, from Spain, which had again, had only been maybe a couple hundred years ago. But the funny thing is they're importing this fruit from Spain. Right. They're not growing it in English speaking territories. They have to import the fruit. And by the time that it gets there, it's not. Doesn't look like fresh orange. It's actually reddish brown. Right. Because they're using it for like marmalades and stuff. So originally when they're like, what is this? Well, it's, it's, you know, it's not anha. You know, it's like, oh, orange. Okay, fine. They used orange to mean like brown brown. Like my cow is orange because it's like brown and a little bit red.

[Colin]

These are the oranges we know because

[Chris]

it's the color of what, the only oranges that they had.

[Karen]

Yeah.

[Chris]

So this starts shifting once they a start getting the oranges shipped more expeditiously and start planting citrus trees like in England. Orange. Now by the, by the time of Sir Isaac Newton writing it down, it had shifted again not that long ago to meaning like the color between red and yellow.

[Colin]

Right.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah, that's orange. So very similar to indigo was named after a thing. Right.

[Colin]

And up until that time, my understanding is that anything that we called orange would have been called red. Right. Which is why like a redhead that wasn't literally red, it was more orange. But that was red to them, right?

[Chris]

It was red.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Chris]

Yeah. It was all just various shades of shoe morning and new term looked particularly orange. They'd be like, oh, the red sun. You know, so you always hear about the red sun, but not the orange sun and. Yeah, exactly. But also it's like, well, what did they call carrots? Well, carrots weren't really orange yet. Like their carrots were yellow. What did they call pumpkins? They didn't have pumpkins yet. So it's like only around the 1700s you start actually seeing a, like actual orange, like things that they have to start describing, like popping up. But Newton did have orange at hand to. To name that. So basically, yeah, he was like, yes. Seven notes, musical scale. Seven. Magic number. Yeah, let's go seven. So we go poop, poop. And he just sort of sticks those in there and like that's why they're in there. There's another famous Isaac who wrote about science. That's Isaac Asimov, who said in his book Eyes on the Universe, A History of the Telescope, he writes, it is customary to list indigo as a color lying between blue and violet. But it has never seemed to me that indigo is worth the dignity of being considered a separate color. To my eyes, it seems merely deep blue. So I'm right there with you. Isaac Asimov as indigo hater. Yeah, get rid of it. Now, there's another thing about indigo. There's this question of, well, indigo exists. It's a thing we're all taught about it. It's in the mnemonic. It's supposedly just as important a color in the rainbow as yellow, even though nobody can really tell you where it is. But we all have it in our brains. There's this phenomenon known as web indigo, as in like World Wide Web indigo. You two are both designers.

[Colin]

Don't get me started going back.

[Chris]

No, no, no. I mean, you know, tell me, like, when you are writing like HTML and you say color this indigo.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chris]

It does not color it indigo. It colors it something that is obviously just straight purple.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah. The history of indigo and web colors goes way back and has for almost from the beginning pushed way more toward the purple end than what. Than what an indigo quote should be.

[Chris]

So basically it goes back to the X window system, which is the graphical user interface that was developed at MIT in the 80s for like, Unix computer systems. Very early graphical user interface. And it had a list of colors that were sort of defined as. These are the colors of this early GUI with keywords. Keywords. And they all had. The numerical definitions of the color were then attached to fanciful color names.

[Colin]

Right.

[Chris]

Which were named by computer programmers who had no actual training whatsoever in color theory. And there's no standards in terms of how computer monitors display colors. And it's all open source, so people are just adding stuff. And if something gets added to the open source project and it sort of sticks, then it sticks. And then it's like, well, now it's the standard, so we can't back off of it. There was one programmer who added, who was like, I'm kind of sick of a lot of these colors that are in X11 and I'm gonna add a bunch. And so he did the extremely scientific method of looking at his monitor, getting a box of Crayolas and holding the Crayola up and going, yeah, okay. And then putting in like, that's why we have like. Like if you go to Google, like right now and you, you, you go into Google Docs and you're like picking colors, like one of them is cornflower blue. And it's just a holdover from this guy just like getting out a box of Crayolas and Saying, okay, this will be cornflower blue, this will be goldenrod. Like, that's why all those colors are in there, because they're just adding them all in and it's like a mishmash. It has no system to it whatsoever. It's maddening. But X window system became so broadly used in web browsers that when it came time to develop css, like the style sheets, standards that are like, still used for web design, they're like, well, all the browsers are already using all these colors. So for compatibility purposes, we'll just keep going with this. So all these color names are in there. And one of these colors that was just arbitrarily assigned a name was they called basically the shade of straight up purple. They just called it indigo. It's not. Whatever, whatever indigo is, it's definitely not that. So it's just like this parade of weird, arbitrary. I mean, it goes back to Isaac Newton kind of throwing it in there, but really when he did it, he actually was describing two different things. As Lou, she shifts in the consciousness of what blue means. It's like everything moves over a little bit and everything gets crammed all together. And now you've got blue, which is where. What. Which is really what he meant by indigo. And then you've got violet. And then people are trying to figure out what the middle of those things are.

[Colin]

That was always the best answer I ever got from a teacher was like, ah, it's between. It's between blue and purple is. Nobody knows.

[Chris]

Nobody can answer this question. If you're stop bothering me thinking that the color of blue jeans in the rainbow is blue, then you, you, you can't really answer the question anymore. Yeah, the answer is shut up. Just. Just write it down, kid. The only thing that I would tag on Isaac Newton is the idea of like looking at the rainbow going, yeah, I would say seven. Yeah, I'm seeing about, say the same. Exactly seven colors. And, and really thinking like, oh, it's gotta be, because I bet you it's related to the seven notes in the musical scale. Yeah.

[Karen]

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[Chris]

You're listening to good job brain smooth puzzles, smart trivia. Good job brain.

[Karen]

And we're back. This week we're talking about the mysterious color that is indigo.

[Colin]

You know I am into indigo. A couple episodes ago, you guys will recall we talked about green and green things. I asked you a trivia question where you had to name a beloved green character. And indeed, there are plenty of green characters that easily come to mind. From Kermit the Frog to Yoda Incredible Hulk to of course Shrek Himself. So when we agreed to cover Indigo for this week's topic, I was determined to incorporate one of my favorite fictional characters of all time. And the only one that I knew for sure is canonically indigo in color. I am talking about the Marvel comic book character, Nightcrawler. One of my favorite, favorite members of the X Men, Nightcrawler was introduced as a member of the X Men way back in 1975.

[Karen]

Oh, wow.

[Colin]

Yeah, as part of the so called new X Men. At that time, they were trying to sort of make over the title. He is like the other X Men, a mutant superhero. And he has been in many iterations of the X Men franchise. Comics, tv, movies, video games, you name it. Now, a little bit about Nightcrawler. I don't want you to worry if you've never read or seen an X Men. There will be something in this quiz for you, I promise.

[Karen]

And X Man.

[Colin]

And X Man. Nightcrawler. Maybe just to jog your memory, maybe, maybe it's in the punch bowl. Has a rather demonic or devilish appearance. He's got pointed ears, he's got fangs, yellow eyes. He's got a long prehensile, you know, devilish tail. Yes. And most importantly for our purposes today, he is indigo, indigo skin and he is covered in a. In a velvety indigo fur. Yeah. Very cool character. Cool character. So I've got some questions here for you. In a quiz, we'll do this buzzer style. Some are in fact about Nightcrawler. Some are more loosely wide view, let's say, of the Nightcrawler concept, maybe, or even just the word Nightcrawler. So there will be something in this quiz for everyone, I hope. Get your buzzers ready. Karen may have a small advantage over you, Chris, but I don't know, I associate you as more of an X Men fan than Chris. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll find out. Get your buzzers ready. What is Nightcrawler's primary superpower, Karen?

[Karen]

Teleportation.

[Colin]

Yeah, teleportation. Teleportation, yes. He can pop out, pop in another place. There's a signature sound effect even in the comics. His bamf sound, which I was bam. B A M F. Yes. It's like over many years that they've been super consistent. That's, that's the sound Nightcrawler makes when he teleports.

[Chris]

Is bam.

[Colin]

Just such a great onomatopoeia. You can just, you can just hear it. And yeah, I was very happy when they, they. I felt like they got that sound effect right in the movies. Yeah. He has other superpowers. He's super agile, you know, like a spider man or something like that. He can more or less disappear in the dark.

[Karen]

Oh.

[Colin]

In the real world, what type of animal is a nightcrawler, Chris?

[Chris]

It's an annelid. It's a worm.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's a worm. I see it. Yeah, it's a big old worm. Yeah, it's an earthworm in particular. Yeah, Especially. Especially in. In the context of fishing.

[Chris]

We used to go looking for nightcrawlers as. As bait.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah. It's sort of a catch. All term for a variety of different, you know, beefy earthworms.

[Karen]

Got it, Got it.

[Colin]

In the hit 2003 movie X2, the second of the X Men films, Nightcrawler was first portrayed by this award winning Scottish actor and TV host, Karen.

[Karen]

I'm gonna get this right because you guys roasted me last time. It is Alan Cumming.

[Colin]

No S. You got it. No s. 5 time Emmy Award winner, 2 time Tony Award winner, host of the Traitors. In my opinion, a great nightcrawler. I thought he did a really good job there. Yes. And I said first portrayed because it was announced that Alan Cumming will be reprising his role as Nightcrawler in Avengers Doomsday coming out later this year.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

All right, we'll stick with the movies here. The acclaimed 2014 film Nightcrawler did not feature any superheroes, but it did feature an unstable hustler in the LA local news scene, portrayed by what Hollywood actor, Karen.

[Karen]

Jake Gyllenhaal.

[Colin]

You got it. I will not make you spell it, but you got it. Jake Gyllenhaal. As I mentioned earlier, Nightcrawler was part of the new X Men team introduced in the mid-70s. And part of what Marvel wanted to do was have the X Men become more of a multinational team. And indeed, that's why, you know, some of the members added on, like Wolverine, who is Canadian. Of course, they added Storm, who was from Kenya, Colossus from the Soviet Union, et cetera, et cetera. Right, right.

[Karen]

What? Wow.

[Colin]

What country is Nightcrawler from? What country is Nightcrawler meant to represent? I have studiously avoided telling you his name.

[Chris]

Right, right, right. Interesting, interesting.

[Karen]

He's European.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Karen]

And he also speaks Latin. But then I. I wonder if that's just because he's like an old soul,

[Colin]

you know, I mean, he's Catholic. Yes. In the storyline, so the Latin connection would make sense.

[Karen]

You know what? I'm just gonna. I'm gonna guess.

[Colin]

Take a guess.

[Karen]

France.

[Colin]

You're close. He's. He is from. Born in Germany. He is German, yes. And his. His civilian name is Kurt. Kurt Wagner if you're American or Kurt Wagner. Right, if you're German. Kurt. In the comic books, Nightcrawler has a strong sense of flair and adventure and likes to compare himself to the actor Errol Flynn. What was Errol Flynn's most famous movie role, Chris?

[Chris]

Was it Robin Hood?

[Colin]

It was Robin Hood. You got it. Okay, and last one. All right, get a little weird on this one with me, guys. Here. A crypted. A cryptid. All right, so you know, like Bigfoot, Nessie, right. Known as the Nightcrawler, described as a pair of walking legs with no torso, has been alleged to exist in this California central valley city famous for their raisins.

[Karen]

Oh, famous for their raisins.

[Colin]

Yes. The raisin capital of the country.

[Chris]

Really?

[Karen]

But wouldn't the raisin capital be also the grape? No, but Central Valley. So they're.

[Colin]

Use your guys. California knowledge.

[Karen]

What counts as central home to the

[Colin]

sun made Razor Cooperative. Fresno. Yes, the Fresno Nightcrawler. In the tradition of other great regional cryptids like the Jersey Devil. Yeah, the. The Fresno Nightcrawler. I will share a link with you guys here. Our listeners can Google this one. First reported, or at least evidence maybe first surfaced in 2007, some appropriately creepy nighttime footage. The. The image in the article here is AI generated, I believe. But if you click into the article, you'll see some video it is reported to be. And if you watch the video, there's no better way to describe it. It just. It kind of looks like a. Like a floppy pair of pants just walking by itself.

[Karen]

Balloon animals. It looks like balloon animals with hollow eyes.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Karen]

Silly. This is so silly.

[Colin]

They do. They look very kind of cute and silly. At least how they've been interpreted by a number of artists. Yeah, there's been more than one reported sighting. And yeah, I mean, it can best be described.

[Karen]

A pair of pants.

[Colin]

A pair of pants. Like a pair of pants came to life.

[Karen]

Walking pair of pants.

[Colin]

Very, very Susan.

[Karen]

You know, in my head, it was so much scarier than this.

[Colin]

All right, good job, guys. Thank you for, as always, indulging my comic nerd side and giving me the chance to be like, oh, actually, he's Indigo. I know an Indigo character.

[Chris]

Nice.

[Karen]

I want to know, Colin, when you first saw his appearance in X2. Like, were you just like, oh, my God, this is so awesome. Or were you hating on it?

[Colin]

He was a little bit creepy, but he's supposed to be sweet and charming at the same time in the movie and in the comics and in all of his appearances. That that is sort of one of the through lines is that he's very good at charming the ladies and he's does imagine himself sort of as this swashbuckler type. And no, I think they did a good job. And again, not to harp on it, but I think they nailed the sound effect of the. The bamf of him teleporting, you know, in and out and. Yeah, so well, well done to them.

[Karen]

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[Colin]

Indigo Girls.

[Karen]

The amazing singer songwriters duo. Indigo Girls. Just fantastic. I grew up with an older Gen X sister who was just in that sweet spot of kind of college music. And she introduced me to Indigo Girls. And so this got me thinking. Indigo Girls were part of in the 90s, the Lilith Fair festival.

[Colin]

You're taking me back, Karen.

[Karen]

If you were not alive or if you were too young, I was too young for Lilith Fair. This is like, again, my sister was the sweet spot. She was like, in college. LILITH Fair. Sarah McLachlan. Just a quick rundown. Lilith Fair was a music festival started by Sarah McLachlan, another singer songwriter, and she was unhappy with the Music industry, as at that time, radio stations and concert promoters wouldn't promote multiple women in a row or back to back.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Karen]

There should always be only one in her mind. It's like, okay, well, what if all the women gather together for a show, for a festival so that the radio stations would then have to collectively advertise all of us. Promote all of us.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Karen]

And so here I have made a quiz called Lilith Faire in the Movies. So I have a music quiz where I'm gonna play music that was featured or used in famous movies, and it's music and songs all by artists that were part of the Lilith Fair festival. I'm going to tell you who the artist is, and then I'm going to tell you the year of the movie. I'm going to let you listen to a clip of a song. Sometimes it's the song in the movie, so you'll hear, like, other movie sounds, and you have to identify the movie. How does that sound?

[Colin]

Okay. All right, all right. So you're giving us. So you're giving us artists. We're giving you movies.

[Karen]

Yes.

[Colin]

All right, all right.

[Karen]

Lilith there in the movies. This is a music quiz. Let's. While you guys work together.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Karen]

Why don't you guys work together?

[Chris]

Sure.

[Colin]

Can't make us do worse.

[Karen]

Since our theme is Indigo, let's start with Indigo Girls. What you're gonna hear in the clip is actually not performed by them. It's a cover. This movie is from 2024.

[Colin]

Okay. All right.

[Chris]

Okay. All right, all right.

[Karen]

Let's hear the clip. Identify this movie. And the less I seek my swords from sun to feel a little closer I am defined Closer I am to find. Big blockbuster.

[Chris]

Oh, really?

[Karen]

Hey, she's driving in a car. She's listening to Closer to. Fine. In this movie, there was a surprise stowaway in her car.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Chris]

Oh.

[Colin]

Oh.

[Karen]

Just one of the biggest movies of that year. One of the biggest movies of the year, Colin.

[Colin]

Yeah. Wasn't this the Barbie movie?

[Karen]

It is the Barbie movie.

[Chris]

That's right.

[Colin]

And Ken, like, pops up in the car, Right.

[Karen]

This song, Indigo girls wrote in 1989, and it's.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Karen]

Decades after it's made relevant again. And it's. It fits with the movie theme as well.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Karen]

All right, good job. Next movie, I'm gonna do this one. Emmylou Harris. Emmylou Harris, also a Lilith Fair performer. Here is one of her songs that she performed in a 2000 movie and movie from 2000. Here we go. Here's the movie clip. Well, you three ladies are about the prettiest. What a lilies.

[Colin]

Oh, some water. Sound. What year? You said 2000. What?

[Karen]

What?

[Colin]

What?

[Karen]

2000. Emmy Lou Harris.

[Colin]

Okay. All right. I, I, I, I think I know this. I, I guess we're supposed to be working together. Is this. Oh, brother, where art thou?

[Karen]

Oh, brother, where art thou? Yes, correct.

[Chris]

It did.

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[Chris]

It did seem familiar. I had the soundtrack to that.

[Karen]

Oh, one of the best movie soundtracks out there.

[Colin]

Oh, man. All right, so elaborate on that scene then.

[Karen]

That scene. So that movie is based on the Odyssey or Lucy, and it's described as the sirens scene. So our three characters, they stumble upon these three women kind of washing their clothes. And in the scene, they're singing this, like, very soothing song, and then they're giving them liquor to drink, and they just kind of pass out. Yep, yep, yep. Emily Lou Harris. All right, our next song is by Cheryl Crow from a movie in 1997. Here we go.

[Colin]

Okay, this sounds so familiar.

[Chris]

Okay, so is this a. Is this. Could this be the World is Not Enough?

[Colin]

It sounds so Bond.

[Chris]

Like, it does sound Bond. Like, I'm dropping 97.

[Colin]

Is it, is it a bond? Do we have. Are we.

[Karen]

It is a bond. Yes. Okay. Bond.

[Chris]

Yes. It's Pierce Brosnan. I mean, it's like right after Goldeneye. So it's like,

[Colin]

oh, geez,

[Karen]

Tomorrow Never Die.

[Chris]

Okay, okay. Yep.

[Karen]

Yes. With Pierce Brosnan and Jonathan Price as the villain. And the Bond girl was Michelle. Yo, Michelle. Yeoh. Ah. So Cheryl Crow, you know, one of. Also a lilithair performer, got to pen a Bond song.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Chris]

Nice. Nice.

[Karen]

Tomorrow Never Dies. All right, this is gonna be a hard one for you two. So I'm just gonna say that.

[Chris]

Okay, all right.

[Karen]

It's Pat Benatar. Also took the stage at Lilith Fair. One of her songs is used in a pajama party scene from a movie from 2004. So here's a song in the movie. We are Young.

[Colin]

See if we can get a little background noise. Maybe clue us in here.

[Chris]

Right,

[Colin]

okay. So no, not 2004.

[Karen]

It's a pajama party.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Y.

[Colin]

All right. So, I mean, the song would be, you know, 20 years old at that point, right?

[Karen]

Yeah. And it kind of plays into the movie because the main character lived in the 80s, who would enjoy 80s music, but somehow was brought to a more. Brought to a more modern day setting starring Jennifer Garner. This is 13.

[Colin]

Oh, 13. I'm going on 30.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Karen]

All right. Time to get sad, everyone. Time to get sad. Just like a lot of Sarah McLachlan songs. This one's from Sarah McLachlan herself, the creator of Lilyfair. No, it is not the SPCA puppy commercial song, which is Angel. It is not that. I'm not gonna do that to you, but this is a song of hers featured in a 1999 movie. 1999 movie. Here we go.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Karen]

Lonely and forgotten Ah, yes. Never thought she'd look my way and she smiled at me and held me Just like she used to do like

[Chris]

she loved me Karen, you're breaking my heart.

[Karen]

I'm about to cry.

[Chris]

Like it's so you hear it, it just. Yeah, exactly. It just makes you want to just start bawling. Famously the original song that she wrote for Toy Story 2.

[Karen]

Yes. Toy Story 2. This is played when they're explaining where Jessie the cowgirl came from. Very, very sad. Let's move on.

[Chris]

Yes, the less said about that.

[Karen]

Well, here to our last final song. This is the Cardigans who also performed at Lilith. They had a big song in a big movie in 1996. Here it is, our last clip. Honey nurse, what news, nurse? I am a witty. Give me leave.

[Chris]

Of course.

[Karen]

Bye how my bugs ache. What the drums have.

[Colin]

Okay, 96 we. I was having a hard time following that dialogue. Did you. Were you able to follow that, Chris?

[Karen]

Play it again.

[Chris]

Yeah, play it again. Nurse, what news, nurse?

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Karen]

Honey nurse, what news, nurse? I am a wee. Give me leave of white. Bye, how my buns ache what the drums have.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Karen]

This movie is from 1996. I QA this. I QA this quiz with my husband. He just heard the band Cardigans and he's like, oh, it's this movie.

[Chris]

Oh, okay.

[Karen]

He's like, that's so easy. And I was like, that's cuz we. Me and my husband are. Are.

[Colin]

Is it. Was it with it an adam Sandler movie? 96. I like in anywhere in the right ballpark.

[Karen]

I'll tell you. The source material is from 1597.

[Chris]

Okay. Yeah. It's kind of what I figured. Right. They're speaking old timey. Is this. Oh, is this the Romeo and Juliet?

[Karen]

Romeo and Juliet. Romeo plus Juliet.

[Chris]

Romeo plus Juliet. Yeah, that's right.

[Colin]

The Baz lman. Right. Leo DiCaprio. Right.

[Karen]

Clair Danes.

[Colin]

Yeah. Okay.

[Chris]

Yes.

[Karen]

The defining movie of teenagers of that era.

[Chris]

Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Karen]

Also amazing soundtrack. This one is the Cardigans. The song is loveful. Big radio hit.

[Colin]

Oh yeah.

[Karen]

Big movie hit as well. And you'll also see Paul Rudd in there, who was in the movie looking the same like he looks the same.

[Colin]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He played Paris Ageless. Wonderful.

[Karen]

That's my Lilith Fair in the movies quiz. Inspired by Indigo Girls. Indigo Girls. I try not to be stuck in the 90s, so I try to find songs that were kind of spanned different years, but, you know, they were all very 90s centric. Lilith Fair was a very 90s centric thing.

[Colin]

Can't, can't hide from it. Yeah.

[Karen]

And that's our show. Thank you all for joining me and thank you listeners for listening in. Hope you learned stuff today about claw diving, about Nightcrawler, about the random assignment of colors in our world, about Indigo Girls and Lilith Fair and about blue jeans. Indigo Jeans. You can find us on all major podcast apps and on our website, good jobbrain.com this podcast is part of Airway Media podcast network. Visit airwavemedia.com to listen and subscribe to other shows like the Historian, Table, IGN Movies, Podcast and Unspookable. And we'll see you next week.

[Chris]

Goodbye.

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