In episode 238, Coffey talks with Joseph Fuller about how skills-based hiring is reshaping recruiting, workforce development, and talent strategy in the age of AI.

They discuss defining skills-based hiring beyond degree proxies; redesigning recruiting and applicant tracking systems; training hiring managers to reduce bias and risk aversion; using AI, simulations, and assessments to evaluate real skills; improving onboarding for nontraditional hires; addressing automation’s impact on entry-level roles; balancing degrees, credentials, and experiential learning; and elevating social and learning skills as core capabilities in the future workforce.

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About our Guest:

Joseph Fuller is Professor of Management Practice at the Harvard Business School and one of the nation’s leading authorities on the future of work. He co-leads the Managing the Future of Work Project at Harvard Business School. He creates research of direct relevance to decision makers in business and government, including the impact of technology and demographic changes on the workforce, the rise of the gig economy, global talent flows, and the emergence of the care economy. The Managing the Future of Work podcast that he co-hosts has been downloaded over 2 million times. He also co-leads the Harvard Project on the Workforce, a collaboration between the Harvard schools of business, government and education. It focuses on issues related to lower skilled workers, including career pathways and the causes of income polarization and occupational segregation.

Prior to joining the faculty, he was a founder, first employee and long-time CEO of the global strategy consulting firm Monitor Group, now Monitor-Deloitte.

Joe is a widely published author. His work has appeared in the Harvard Business Review, the Sloan Management Review, the Wall Street Journal, the Financial Times, the Washington Post and the New York Times.

Joe is a magna cum laude graduate of Harvard College and of Harvard Business School. He is a director of Aera Technology, Hakluyt and Company and Helios Consulting, Chairman of the Board of Trustees of Western Governors University and a Senior Visiting Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

Joseph Fuller can be reached at

https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/profile.aspx?facId=123284

Additional Resources:

Charter Workplace Summit 2025: AI and entry-level workers

The Future of Work Series: The Effects of AI on Talent Management and Workforce Development - Video | OpenAI Forum

MINDWORKS Season 4 Transcripts – Aptima Season 4 transcript under the title “AI and the Future of Work”

About Mike Coffey:

Mike Coffey is an entrepreneur, licensed private investigator, business strategist, HR consultant, and registered yoga teacher.

In 1999, he founded Imperative, a background investigations and due diligence firm helping risk-averse clients make well-informed decisions about the people they involve in their business.

Imperative delivers in-depth employment background investigations, know-your-customer and anti-money laundering compliance, and due diligence investigations to more than 300 risk-averse corporate clients across the US, and, through its PFC Caregiver & Household Screening brand, many more private estates, family offices, and personal service agencies.

Imperative has been named a Best Places to Work, the Texas Association of Business’ small business of the year, and is accredited by the Professional Background Screening Association.

Mike shares his insight from 25+ years of HR-entrepreneurship on the Good Morning, HR podcast, where each week he talks to business leaders about bringing people together to create value for customers, shareholders, and community.

Mike has been recognized as an Entrepreneur of Excellence by FW, Inc. and has twice been recognized as the North Texas HR Professional of the Year.

Mike serves as a board member of a number of organizations, including the Texas State Council, where he serves Texas’ 31 SHRM chapters as State Director-Elect; Workforce Solutions for Tarrant County; the Texas Association of Business; and the Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce, where he is chair of the Talent Committee.

Mike is a certified Senior Professional in Human Resources (SPHR) through the HR Certification Institute and a SHRM Senior Certified Professional (SHRM-SCP). He is also a Yoga Alliance registered yoga teacher (RYT-200) and teaches multiple times each week.

Mike and his very patient wife of 28 years are empty nesters in Fort Worth.

Learning Objectives:

Understand what differentiates skills-based hiring from traditional credential-based recruiting
Identify practical changes employers must make to hiring processes, interviews, and ATS systems
Evaluate when college degrees add value and when alternative signals of capability are more effective

Redefining “Qualified” in the Future of Work with Joseph Fuller