Good One: A Podcast About Jokes – Episode Summary
Episode Title: Kevin Smith’s Dogma Confessional
Release Date: January 21, 2025
Host: Jesse David Fox
Guest: Kevin Smith
Podcast: Good One: A Podcast About Jokes by Vulture
Introduction and Context
In this episode of Good One: A Podcast About Jokes, host Jesse David Fox welcomes back filmmaker and comedian Kevin Smith. Recorded live at the Vulture Festival last fall, the conversation delves deep into Smith's iconic 1999 film, Dogma, celebrating its 25th anniversary. Although released in 1999, the episode airs in 2025, coinciding with Smith's plans to tour Dogma in theaters and engage with audiences through Q&A sessions.
Notable Quote:
Jesse David Fox [01:10]: “We were talking about Dogma, which was celebrating its 25th anniversary. It's Kevin's 1999 film about Christianity and faith and poop monsters.”
Early Struggles and Development of Dogma
Smith recounts the origins of Dogma, initially titled God, written before his breakout hit Clerks. He faced multiple drafts and challenges, particularly influenced by the groundbreaking success of Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction. Attending its first screening at Cannes profoundly impacted Smith, inspiring him to infuse his scripts with similar tonal shifts and bold content.
Notable Quote:
Kevin Smith [02:38]: “Clerks went to Cannes in 1994. Because we were there, we got invited to the first ever screening of Pulp Fiction... It changed the game.”
Casting the Legends
A significant portion of the discussion centers on casting powerhouse actors George Carlin and Alan Rickman. Smith shares the heartfelt story of convincing Carlin to join Dogma. Despite recent personal tragedies, Carlin demonstrated immense professionalism and dedication, shaping his character with profound depth.
Notable Quotes:
Kevin Smith [19:32]: “George was nothing if not a constant professional. He knew how to turn it on as well.”
Kevin Smith [32:03]: “Rickman absolutely loved Jason. He was fascinated by him. He’s like, you defined your country.”
Smith also touches on the casting hurdles with Emma Thompson, who ultimately stepped away from the project, leading to creative shifts and the eventual involvement of actress Alanis Morissette.
Filmmaking Anecdotes: Scenes and Acting
Smith reflects on specific scenes in Dogma, particularly the Mexican restaurant sequence by Bethany’s house. Despite early criticism regarding shot composition ([34:06]), Smith praises the performances of Linda Fiorentino and Alan Rickman, highlighting Rickman's improvisational skills and deep character understanding.
Notable Quote:
Kevin Smith [34:56]: “Linda and Alan are absolutely wonderful in that scene and in the entire movie.”
Relationship with Miramax and Weinstein
A candid discussion ensues about Smith's tumultuous relationship with Miramax and the infamous Harvey Weinstein. Smith details his attempts to reacquire Dogma from Weinstein, offering escalating financial bids that were ultimately rebuffed. The complexities of studio politics and personal integrity play a pivotal role in this narrative.
Notable Quote:
Kevin Smith [54:21]: “I wrote a letter... I offered 250,000 bucks for the movie. They weren’t interested.”
Touring and Future Projects
Looking ahead, Smith expresses excitement about touring Dogma across numerous cities, akin to his successful tours with other films. He envisions interactive screenings paired with engaging Q&A sessions, fostering a community of dedicated fans and new audiences alike.
Notable Quote:
Kevin Smith [60:00]: “I'm going to try to get to 100 fucking cities. I know they're not going to let me, but I'm going to try.”
Personal Stories and Interactions with Cast Members
Smith shares memorable interactions with fellow cast members, including Chris Rock, Salma Hayek, Ben Affleck, and Matt Damon. He recounts humorous and heartfelt moments, such as Rock advising him to “get a hooker” and eventual serendipitous meeting with his future wife during a Spirit Awards event.
Notable Quotes:
Kevin Smith [34:09]: “Chris Rock was working on one of the Lethal Weapons, and he’s like, ‘You should get a hooker.’ I was like, ‘Nah, that’d be weird.’”
Kevin Smith [69:09]: “I opened the door and saw her, I said, oh my God, Chris Rock sent me a hooker. So we met, and she wasn’t a hooker.”
Potential Sequel and Future Directions
In the latter part of the episode, Smith muses about the possibility of a Dogma sequel. He contemplates how his evolved perspective on faith and filmmaking could influence a continuation of the story, emphasizing originality and personal growth. While acknowledging the challenges, Smith remains optimistic about revisiting the Dogma universe.
Notable Quote:
Kevin Smith [67:26]: “The story needs somebody in their 20s to be the driver. And I don't know if that works anymore.”
Closing Remarks
As the conversation winds down, Smith reflects on the enduring legacy of Dogma and his journey in the film industry. He underscores the importance of staying true to one's vision and the joy of connecting with audiences through storytelling.
Notable Quote:
Kevin Smith [77:55]: “The only way we get a Dogma sequel made is if they're there. So count on those guys being in there as well.”
Conclusion
This episode offers an intimate glimpse into Kevin Smith's creative process, his unwavering passion for Dogma, and the intricate dynamics of filmmaking. Through candid anecdotes and profound reflections, listeners gain a deeper appreciation for the artistry and resilience behind one of Smith's most celebrated works.
Notable Quote:
Kevin Smith [78:09]: “Have a blessed day, kids. Enjoy. Go write something.”
End of Summary