Good One Podcast

Episode: "The Death of the Middle Class Comedian (with Chris Gethard)"

Date: January 8, 2026
Host: Jesse David Fox
Guest: Chris Gethard

Episode Overview

This episode of Good One dives into how technological change and industry consolidation are destroying the path for “middle class comedians”—artists who could make a sustainable but unspectacular living in comedy. Jesse David Fox and Chris Gethard (veteran comic, DIY stalwart, and host of Beautiful Anonymous) dissect why those opportunities have evaporated, how comedians are squeezed by big tech and streaming, and what might come next for artists hoping to make a living in the new creator economy. They provide a frank, passionate, and occasionally hopeful conversation for comedians and artists navigating a landscape that's increasingly stacked against them.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Disappearing Middle Class of Comedy

• Gethard’s Career Trajectory

  • Background: Not a household name but “objectively successful” — countless TV credits, took The Chris Gethard Show from UCB to cable.
  • After years of hard work, opportunities dwindled quietly, not abruptly. Less work, less money:

    “Nothing drastic happened. There just was less work. Essentially it's… the reverse of the frog boiling in water.” (02:17)

• How Tech Platforms & Industry Consolidation Are to Blame

  • Big platforms (Netflix, YouTube, etc.) dangle hope but don’t deliver
    • Netflix specials: “Some of these platforms, you will find people who have actually lost money putting a special up on platforms that the public regards as the biggest platforms in the world.” (07:00)
    • DIY on YouTube is a myth: "YouTube is Google... one of the biggest corporations in the entire world. That's cosplay as DIY." (10:30)
  • Platform manipulation wipes out sustainable jobs:
    • “We all know what musicians deal with right now and envies it? …They don’t make anything per stream. We’re headed the same way." (05:24)

• The "Road to Nowhere"

  • The constant promise that the next milestone (a special, a viral clip) will “break you out”—rarely does
    • “You're building a road to nowhere, and maybe at the end of it, they'll be the thing that will push you through. … Just continue building a road to nowhere.” (07:31)

Reflections on the Past: What Was Lost

• There Was a Middle

  • 2010s: Web platforms (CollegeHumor, Funny or Die), cable jobs, writing rooms—provided a ladder that’s now kicked away.
    • “There used to be a very clear-cut middle, middle-class job… your Internet supported platform… that would then go try to do branded content or ad sales... This was CollegeHumor, Above Average, The Onion News Network, Funny or Die.” (14:47)

• Facebook’s Fake Metrics & Algorithmic Ruin

  • “Documented fact that they were saying, you're getting huge numbers on Facebook now… but no one's watching the show. …Came out that they were cooking the books. … And it wiped out this idea that, hey, there's a first step…” (15:13)

• Importance of Scenes and Community

  • Second alternative comedy boom: actual local communities, organic audiences, mentoring, apprenticeship
    • “There were versions of this that was able to create organic audiences, organic fan bases built out of, in many ways, a sort of second wave of alternative comedy.” (18:30)

The Gig Economy Comedian: Modern Realities

• False Promise of Independence and DIY

  • "You can either go through the Netflix route… or YouTube, you put up the money." Both are controlled by corporations who set the terms and extract value.
  • "Google is not the DIY pathway... It's cosplay as DIY." (10:30)

• Algorithmic Life: Hustle and Burnout

  • Comedians told to post constantly for the algorithm, spend thousands on production, act as their own editors and marketers.
  • “You aren't allowed to ever slow down or stop or this all might go away.” (88:21)
  • “You can make a little bit of money along the way. I think that that was the beginning of social media platform manipulation of comedy as an art form.” (17:23)

• Performative Self-Branding & Risk

  • Pressure to go viral by any means—including crowd baiting and thirst traps.
    • “How many artists… have posted thirst traps on Social because it's good for their career? …it's unhealthy and up. And I don't think it's leading to the crowds we want.” (25:17)
  • Virality doesn't translate to sustainable ticket sales: "People who want to consume it 45 to 90 seconds at a time on their phone, don't want to go out and sit through a thing for an hour..." (25:17)

The System is Rigged—And Getting Worse

• The "Kill Tony" Phenomenon as Symptom

  • Lack of access and opportunity sends desperate comics to extremes:

    "I have met comics who… have driven from New Jersey to Texas to put their name in a bucket, to stand in an outdoor pen… to do one minute… and just batting average wise, it's almost definitely gonna end with someone you admire mocking you…” (36:49)

  • “The mystique that show holds as the only way in is representative of how few ways there are in. And that's bad.” (38:24)

• Algorithm is the Company Store

  • Artists “paid” in engagement, but no real equity, no job security.

    “You make stuff for the algorithm, you keep shoveling it in... It's the closest entertainment I've seen [to] the company store for coal miners.” (85:00)

• Impending AI Disruption

  • Platforms poised to replace creators with AI, further commodifying and devaluing art:

    “In the next two years… the algorithms will all change… AI things that can… do what these platforms are designed to do, which is sell stuff, will take over and fill a lot of this.” (42:00)

• Media Consolidation and Limited Outlets

  • Pitching a TV show now: “I only pitched it to five places… next year, apparently, it will be four.” (54:06)

Actionable Advice & Possible Solutions

Rebuilding: “The Goal is to Live Realistically”

• Build and Own Your Direct Audience

  • Collect email addresses:

    “Have it all point back to your mailing list, get those email addresses. Because Elon Musk can't buy your email list.” (47:49)

• Physical Media and Alternative Distribution

  • Comics should create zines, books, merch, tangible creative artifacts—products fans can support and hold.
    • “What happens with physical media… maybe you start to find the other people who are interested in things like this through the actual hand to hand transference of physical media.” (48:49)

• Scene-Creation & Collectives

  • Pursue collectives for mutual support—benefits, group-buying power, shared audience.
    • “If your collective gets big enough, you might be able to purchase into a healthcare plan that's cheaper than you could individually. Things like this start to really get my gears turning.” (70:02)

• Transparency About Privilege

  • Be honest if you come from money or have a safety net:

    “If you are privileged and you are wealthy and you're in the arts, you have every right… but I will just say be honest about it because if you occupy that space, someone else can't occupy it.” (66:55)

• Embrace the Day Job

  • “After I lost my health insurance in 2021, I have a day job now and I don't feel like it messes with my ego to say that I helped a nonprofit start an arts program and they give my family health insurance.” (63:17)
  • Decouple art from financial pressure to survive—most sustainable paths will require supplemental income.

Building Community Off Tech Platforms

• Return to Physical and Local Community

  • Local shows, scenes, collectives, and newsletters (even mailed newsletters) can outlast the whims of tech.

• Avoid Overcalculating “Brand” and Politics

  • "The question is not what should my worldview be? It's what is my worldview and how do I make the jokes that either connect with the other people of that worldview, or… explain that worldview to people who don't currently get it." (76:39)

• Unionization and Labor Action

  • “Entertainment is tied to unions and should be more. It's another whole aspect of YouTube… that's Google… and the fact that for some reason Google never has to have any conversations about worker protections… that's insane.” (85:27)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the System Working Against Artists

  “We are being tricked into feeding a system that is going to do to us what Spotify did to musicians.”
  — Chris Gethard (05:24)

• On Platform Illusion of Community

  “They've bastardized idea of community and they say you're creating community. Yes. But all of them are built on a sort of a radical individualism that made it so there. There is fewer communities.”
  — Jesse David Fox (31:41)

• On False DIY & Artist Exploitation

  “YouTube... it's cosplay as DIY.”
  — Chris Gethard (10:30)

• On Surviving As Resistance

  “One of the most radical things you can do in this environment is survive, refuse to disappear.”
  — Chris Gethard (81:07)

• Reality Check for Artists

  “If I can have objectively the amount of work I've had over the years and lose my insurance and be this scared for my ability to provide for my family, what's it like for people who… haven't had all those things?”
  — Chris Gethard (57:30)

• Advice for Sustainable Living

  “Never adjust your standard of living based on one success.”
  — Chris Gethard (66:55)

Timestamps of Important Segments

• 02:47 – Chris Gethard’s broad thesis: artists are being squeezed by corporate interests
• 05:24 – The risk of following the “Spotify for musicians” model for comedians
• 07:00–08:00 – The financial realities of Netflix and “DIY” specials
• 14:47–17:45 – What was lost when the middle class of comedy jobs disappeared
• 25:17 – Virality not translating to real-world audience growth or ticket sales
• 36:49 – The “Kill Tony” phenomenon as symbol of desperation and lack of access
• 42:00–43:47 – Looming threat of AI and total control by tech platforms
• 47:49 – Actionable advice: mailing lists and direct connection with fans
• 54:06 – Media consolidation, shrinking number of outlets for comedy
• 66:55–68:15 – Being honest about privilege; not glamorizing or cosplaying “starving artist”
• 81:07 – Surviving as an act of resistance and inspiration

Concluding Thoughts

• On Hope:

  • Meaningful, lasting impact comes from inspiring and being inspired by those who come after you—even if mainstream success doesn’t follow.

    “When you meet other artists who have made art you like and you find out that they gave a shit or on any level were inspired by what you made, it is its own fulfillment.” (90:14)

• On Spite:

  • Use anger at the system constructively—to fuel persistence and community building, not withdrawal.

    “If you can get mad enough to quit and choose not to quit, that is the way that those of us feeling that way will all start to… finally find each other. And that will be the beginnings of a different scene.” (74:27)

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