Social engineering, cyberattacks, and the fog of war - all topics covered in this interview with the VP of Security and Privacy at Google DeepMind. Hannah Fry and Four Flynn take us behind the scenes of Operation Aurora, the monumental 2009 attack on Google that forever changed the landscape of cybersecurity. They discuss the defender's dilemma, the constant battle between attackers and defenders in the digital world, and how AI can potentially help mitigate some of the most complex vulnerabilities. As Hannah said, there was just too much to fit into one episode, so keep an eye on your feed for part 2. If you’re worried about missing it, why not subscribe and turn on notifications for new episodes. Until next time!