Grace in Focus Podcast Summary

Episode Title: What Is the Difference Between Cleansing and Forgiveness?
Date: February 18, 2026
Hosts: Bob Wilkin and Ken Yates
Duration: Approx. 13 minutes

Episode Overview

In this episode, Bob Wilkin and Ken Yates tackle a subtle but significant theological distinction: the difference between “cleansing” and “forgiveness” as presented in Scripture, particularly in the context of 1 John 1:9. Challenging the common evangelical assumption that these terms are interchangeable, the hosts explore scriptural passages, practical illustrations, and theological implications of making this distinction—especially for those interested in the doctrines of justification, sanctification, and assurance of salvation within Free Grace Theology.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Common Understandings and Assumptions

• Evangelical Assumption: Wilkin and Yates begin by noting that most pastors and theologians treat forgiveness and cleansing as synonyms, often because the distinction is not emphasized or taught (01:21–01:36).
  • Quote (Ken Yates, 01:31): “Most theologians and pastors would say there is no difference. And that's certainly what we were taught.”

2. Scriptural Basis for Distinction

• 1 John 1:9 as Key Text: Yates points out that this verse clearly mentions both, suggesting different aspects:
  • Quote (Ken Yates, 01:36): “If we confess our sins, he forgives us for those sins and he cleanses us from all unrighteousness, which is more than the sins we confess, because obviously we're not aware of every sin we commit. So there's a difference...”
• Amplifying with 1 John 1:7: Cleansing is linked to “walking in the light” and the blood of Jesus perpetually cleansing us, even apart from explicit confession (01:38–02:14).
  • Quote (Bob Wilkin, 02:11): “Notice he doesn't say if you confess those.”
• Condition for Effectiveness: Both forgiveness and cleansing are contingent upon “walking in the light” rather than remaining in spiritual darkness (02:14–02:39).

3. The Analogy of Jesus Washing the Disciples’ Feet (John 13)

• Application to Fellowship and Cleansing: Jesus tells Peter, “If I do not wash you, you have no part with me,” referencing the need for ongoing cleansing as a condition of fellowship.
• No Mention of Forgiveness in John 13: Forgiveness, in contrast, is not explicitly referenced until after the resurrection (John 20), possibly connecting it to church discipline (03:22–03:53).
• Evangelical Conflation: Many see the foot-washing as a picture of forgiveness and thus treat cleansing and forgiveness as synonymous (03:53–04:29).

4. Cleansing: Permanent and Ongoing

• Washing of Regeneration (Titus 3): Suggestion that cleansing occurs once and for all at the moment of spiritual rebirth (“permanent cleansing”), but ongoing “foot-washing” is necessary for daily walk and fellowship (04:34–05:06).
  • Quote (Ken Yates, 04:41): “He talks about the washing of regeneration. Well, that means that the moment we're born again, we're cleansed, we're washed... But then there's a need for ongoing cleansing, like for our feet in the foot washing incident.”

5. Forgiveness vs. Cleansing – Further Scriptural Illustrations

• Mark 1 Contrasts:
  • Leper cleansed, told to offer a sacrifice for “cleansing” (not forgiveness).
  • Paralytic told, “Your sins are forgiven.”
  • Hosts propose that cleansing impacts status (especially visible/relational status in community), while forgiveness pertains more directly to sin and guilt before God (05:55–06:01).
  • Quote (Bob Wilkin, 06:01): “The cleansing there is more of a—maybe I would use the word ‘status.’”

6. Practical Implications: What Needs What?

• Forgiveness Connected to Confessed Sins: Only those sins of which we are aware and confess do we explicitly receive forgiveness for (06:24–07:21).
  • Quote (Bob Wilkin, 07:21): “I don't need forgiveness of every one of my sins. What I need is cleansing from all of my sins.”
• Cleansing as Covering “Unaware” Sins: Cleansing includes not just what we confess, but all unrighteousness—including sins we’re unaware of (07:21–07:37).

7. Zane Hodges’ “White Suit” Illustration (08:11–09:10)

• Summary: A man in a white suit can see the dirt in front (his confessed sins), but there is also hidden dirt on the back (unconfessed/unaware sins). Confession “cleans” the whole suit—both what’s seen and what’s unseen.
  • Quote (Ken Yates, 08:37): “When I look down and see the spots that I can see, I confess or acknowledge those, and instantly my suit is white. Not just on the front, but on the back, too.”

8. Implications for the Believer’s Walk

• Fellowship and Witness: Cleansing ensures we are fit to represent God to the world; forgiveness restores fellowship for known/transgressed sins, but cleansing keeps us in a fit state before God (11:00–12:14).
  • Quote (Ken Yates, 11:37): “You don't want to send your children to school with spots all over their clothes and with dirty faces... Well, we represent God on earth. ... In order to do that, we need to be cleansed people.”

9. Summary and Tentativeness

• Terminological Precision: It may be “too literal” for some, but the hosts advocate for maintaining the biblical distinction, even if evangelical tradition conflates the terms (10:27–10:45).
• Ongoing Reflection: The conversation is positioned as open-ended to provoke listener contemplation (12:31–12:55).
  • Quote (Ken Yates, 12:31): “This is good stuff, Ken. ... We're not just staying in the areas where, you know, this is well established theology. This is stuff you need to pray about.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On common evangelical assumptions:
  “Most theologians and pastors would say there is no difference. And that's certainly what we were taught.”
  — Ken Yates (01:31)

• On the core distinction from 1 John 1:9:
  “If we confess our sins, he forgives us for those sins and he cleanses us from all unrighteousness, which is more than the sins we confess, because obviously we're not aware of every sin we commit.”
  — Ken Yates (01:36)

• On the practical ‘white suit’ illustration:
  “When I look down and see the spots that I can see, I confess or acknowledge those, and instantly my suit is white. Not just on the front, but on the back, too. All the ones I can't see are cleansed, too.”
  — Ken Yates (08:37)

• On how cleansing affects our status and witness:
  “We represent God on earth... In order to do that, we need to be cleansed people. If we're cleansed people, then we can let our light shine.”
  — Ken Yates (11:37)

• On practical application:
  “If we're cleansed people of the sins we're not aware of and we're forgiven of the ones we confess, we walk in the light.”
  — Bob Wilkin (12:06)

Important Timestamps

• Distinction Introduced: 01:36 (1 John 1:9 discussion)
• Spiritual “light and darkness” condition: 02:14
• Foot-washing in John 13 as ongoing cleansing: 03:09–03:53
• Titus 3 and regeneration cleansing: 04:34–05:06
• Mark 1 — Example of leper (cleansing) vs. paralytic (forgiveness): 05:36–06:01
• Are we forgiven for sins we’re unaware of?: 06:24–07:21
• ‘White suit’ illustration from Zane Hodges: 08:11–09:10
• Cleansing as essential to witness: 11:37
• Final application and reflective close: 12:31–12:55

Takeaway

Wilkin and Yates challenge listeners to rethink well-worn assumptions about “forgiveness” and “cleansing,” urging a scriptural precision that shapes how believers understand their walk with God, confession, and their ongoing relationship with Him. Forgiveness is associated with confessed, known sins; cleansing encompasses all unrighteousness (even that which we are unaware of) and ensures our suitability to represent God. The conversation is nuanced and left somewhat open for personal study, reflection, and prayer.