Dani Dyer: Having Children Changed Me | GREAT MOMENTS

Summary

Great Company with Jamie Laing

Episode: Dani Dyer: Having Children Changed Me | GREAT MOMENTS

Release Date: May 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this special "Great Moments" episode, Jamie Laing revisits a moving and candid conversation with TV personality Dani Dyer, focusing on how motherhood transformed her life. Dani opens up about leaving a difficult relationship, navigating single parenthood, coping with miscarriage, and battling postpartum loneliness and anxiety. She offers inspiration and solidarity to other women, with honest reflections on personal growth and the complexities of being a mum — all while keeping the conversation upbeat, accessible, and deeply relatable.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Public Persona and Football Chants

• [02:41-03:22]
  • Jamie teases Dani about being labeled a "WAG" (wives and girlfriends of footballers), which Dani dislikes:
    • “I just think it’s the way it’s said. Like, ‘she’s a wag’...” – Dani Dyer [02:44]
  • Hilarious moment when Dani describes her son Santi singing football chants about his own mum (“Santi Bowen’s on fire, and he’s kissing Dani Dyer”), while Dani’s dad finds it amusing too.

2. Relationship History & Returning to an Ex

• [03:31-05:29]
  • Dani discusses breaking up with Jack, reuniting with a previous boyfriend, and having her son, Santi.
  • On why she went back:
    • "I think I went back there because he was someone that I knew...that familiarity..." – Dani Dyer [04:36]
  • She reflects with no regrets, believing every decision, good or bad, shaped her:
    • “Having Santi changed me as a person massively. So I’m so glad I had my Sant... I had to go through a tricky relationship to get my little boy to change me, to move forward.” – Dani Dyer [05:14]

3. How Motherhood Transformed Dani

• [05:29-06:32]
  • Motherhood triggered a shift from living in the present to considering the future:
    • “Once I had Santi...I was like, right, I’m an adult now...Every decision I make is for my little boy now.” – Dani Dyer [06:05-06:17]
  • She gained clarity on responsibility and providing a non-toxic environment for her son.

4. Unplanned Pregnancy, Miscarriage, and Family Response

• [06:35-09:08]
  • Reveals that Santi wasn’t planned, shares her experience of an early miscarriage:
    • “Before I got pregnant with Santi, I got pregnant and then that didn’t work out... Then I wanted a baby then, because that didn’t work out.” – Dani Dyer [06:51-07:04]
  • Honest about nerves in telling her parents:
    • “They knew that relationship...was never gonna work...Now I’m a parent, I totally get it.” – Dani Dyer [07:57-08:38]
  • Reflects on karma and sympathizes now with what she put her parents through.

5. Pregnancy After Loss & Postpartum Anxiety

• [09:06-09:57]
  • Describes the anxiety after miscarriage and becoming “obsessed” with scans for reassurance:
    • “I don’t know how many scans I had...I just thought, I need to see him one more time.” – Dani Dyer [09:08-09:19]

6. Navigating Co-Parenting and Guilt

• [10:00-11:08]
  • Dani is now civil with Santi’s dad, aiming for stability for her son. She discusses guilt over Santi not having the “classic” two-parent scenario:
    • “I always feel guilty for Santi and I probably do overcompensate... It’s me and Santi against the world.” – Dani Dyer [10:44-11:08]
  • Jamie connects this to his own childhood experiences.

7. Ex-Partner’s Imprisonment & Public Scrutiny

• [11:29-14:19]
  • Openly addresses her ex-partner’s imprisonment for fraud/scamming, and difficulty handling public blame:
    • “I genuinely felt like I had done it and committed it...people just automatically think you’re, like, condoning that you’re accepting it.” – Dani Dyer [12:05–13:12]
  • Refused to visit him in prison, feeling her love for her son eclipsed everything else:
    • “As soon as I had Santi, I knew what love was...It was like a switch for me.” – Dani Dyer [14:05–14:19]
  • Found empowerment in moving on and putting her child first.

8. Loneliness, Anxiety, and Motherhood

• [14:36-16:27]
  • Dani highlights the stigma around discussing postpartum mental health and loneliness:
    • “Women should understand women...When I did this documentary, I just really wanted women to come together and sort of see their stories.” – Dani Dyer [14:52–15:19]
  • The conversation explores practical realities: feeling isolated, losing freedom, baby blues, and needing support.
    • “You don’t have that thing of just being able to get up and go... your freedom goes... baby blues can last a few weeks, it’s not like a day thing.” – Dani Dyer [16:27–17:14]

9. Mum Guilt and Partners

• [17:14-18:16]
  • Dani and Sophie talk about mum guilt:
    • “You feel bad for leaving your child, but then you’re at home and you want a night out and you feel bad that you want a night out...” – Sophie [17:24]
    • Dani emphasizes how it’s even harder when your partner returns to work and their life seems to carry on while yours has changed drastically, adding levity with examples of early motherhood discomforts.

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Memorable Quotes

• On motherhood changing everything:
  “Every decision I make is for my little boy now, and I want to give him the best future ever.” – Dani Dyer [06:17]

• On going back to an ex:
  “I think I went back there because he was someone I knew...But I don’t regret anything because it got me my little boy.” – Dani Dyer [04:36–05:14]

• On miscarriage and coping:
  “When I got pregnant again, I don’t know how many scans I had...I just thought I need to see him one more time.” – Dani Dyer [09:10]

• On facing public criticism:
  “I genuinely felt like I had done it and committed it...I just really loved the wrong person.” – Dani Dyer [12:05–13:12]

• On not visiting her ex in prison:
  “As soon as I had Santi, I knew what love was...It was like a switch for me.” – Dani Dyer [14:19]

• On motherhood anxiety and community:
  “I just really wanted women to just sort of come together and sort of see their stories...Not every pregnancy is successful, and when you have a baby, you’re like, oh my God, what do I do?” – Dani Dyer [14:52–15:19]

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• 00:00–01:24: Ads/intro (skipped)
• 02:41–03:22: Football chants, Dani’s public image
• 03:31–05:29: Relationship history, returning to an ex, having Santi
• 05:29–06:32: How motherhood changed Dani’s priorities and future
• 06:35–07:09: Pregnancy and miscarriage, decision to have Santi
• 07:19–09:08: Family reactions, parental empathy
• 09:06–09:57: Pregnancy anxiety after miscarriage
• 10:00–11:08: Co-parenting, guilt, “me and Santi against the world”
• 11:29–14:19: Ex-partner’s imprisonment, public scrutiny, moving on
• 14:36–16:27: Postpartum loneliness and anxiety, call for female solidarity
• 17:14–18:16: Mum guilt, partners, and the realities of early motherhood

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Tone & Language

The conversation is warm, informal, supportive, and honest, blending humor with heart. Dani is frank about mistakes and challenges but resolutely positive about the lessons motherhood brought her.

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Summary Takeaways

• Motherhood can be both transforming and daunting — it sharpened Dani’s sense of responsibility and self-worth, providing the strength to move on from a painful relationship.
• Women supporting each other is essential, especially when society can be judgmental about relationship choices or struggles with postpartum emotions.
• Postpartum loneliness and mental health concerns are real, and need to be discussed more openly.
• Forgiveness and self-acceptance are crucial: Dani’s journey shows that past errors can lead to meaningful growth and happiness, especially when focused through the love for one’s child.

This episode is essential listening for anyone navigating motherhood, tough relationships, or public scrutiny — and for all who appreciate heartfelt conversations about resilience and growth.

Transcript

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[Jamie Lang]

Hello everyone, I'm Jamie Lang and this is Great moments. Hey guys, welcome back to another great moment. Sassy, thank you so much for coming back. If you're new, these are our little snippets from our shows in the past, from our catalog. And today I'm sharing a moment from my conversation with the amazing Danny Dyer. Now, Danny is honestly an absolute ray of sunshine and I loved speaking to her. In this great moment, she shares how becoming a mum changed her life and gave her the push to leave a relationship that wasn't right. It's amazing. She also talks about the real emotions that come with being a new mum. The tough, the good and everything in between, and why it's so important for women to support each other through it. Now, if you enjoy this, you'll love Danny's full episode in Great Company. You'll find it in the show notes. Just go and click on it. It'll take you to the whole episode. And there are so many more shows that you May not have seen, so go and check them out. Also, while I got you here, I just want to mention one thing. Mine is Sophie's podcast. Newly Parents is back.

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[Jamie Lang]

It went from newlyweds to newlyweds to nearly parents, and now it's Newly Parents. And it's full of all the hilarious things that you've probably seen on the Internet. And our show, if you listened to it before, we're gonna leave a link to it in our show description so you can click on that as well. Okay, Here we go. Enjoy this amazing episode with Danny Dyer on Great Moments. You're a wag, though, now.

[Sophie]

I hate that word.

[Jamie Lang]

Okay, well, I don't understand why.

[Danny Dyer]

Cause it's just wives and girlfriends. I just think it's the way it's said. Like, she's a wag.

[Jamie Lang]

Okay, well, you. Jared plays football for West Ham.

[Danny Dyer]

Yeah.

[Jamie Lang]

What are some of the chants that the fans.

[Danny Dyer]

Oh, what? Whoever made that chance chant. I need. They need to DM me and let me know who it is, because I want to know.

[Jamie Lang]

What is the chant?

[Sophie]

Birmingham Fire.

[Danny Dyer]

And he's shagging Danny Dyer. Do you know? My little boy says, kissing Danny. He sings it in the back of my car sometimes. Santi Bowen's on fire, and he's kissing Danny Dyer.

[Sophie]

I was like, that's your mother you're speaking about.

[Danny Dyer]

I can't even ground him. He's just.

[Jamie Lang]

And he's shagging Daddy Dyer.

[Danny Dyer]

My dad sings it. He thinks it's brilliant. Thinks it's brilliant.

[Sophie]

He says. He starts to chant off sometimes. I'm like, yeah, all right, mate.

[Jamie Lang]

So you break up with Jack.

[Danny Dyer]

Yes.

[Jamie Lang]

And then you have your son.

[Danny Dyer]

Yes.

[Jamie Lang]

Santiago.

[Sophie]

Little Santa. Oh, he's lovely. He's so naughty, though. He's really got me.

[Jamie Lang]

How old. How old is he?

[Sophie]

He's five in January.

[Jamie Lang]

Really?

[Sophie]

And he loves to cuddle me, but he also loves to wind me up. Oh, yeah. Very cheeky.

[Jamie Lang]

And this was with your partner who was before Love island, the one that was just hell.

[Sophie]

So, realistically, when I.

[Danny Dyer]

It's really. I always speak openly before Love Island. He never really wanted to settle down with me. He was a massive player. Just massive. And then when I come off Love island, and obviously me and Jack split up, we sort of reunited again. And realistically, that should have not been, like, I shouldn't have gone back there. You know what I mean?

[Jamie Lang]

Why did you go back? Because people talking again. The advice is that I want to give the advice. So Lucy or another Danny or Tom are sitting there thinking, okay, I'm in the same situation. There's someone who I let go, but now they're knocking on the door, should I go back to them? Shouldn't I go back to them? I'm confused. What do I do?

[Danny Dyer]

I mean, I think it depends what situation you're in, because some people go back to their exes and it is the most successful relationship. Do you know what I mean? Like, and it really works for them. But I think, like my friend said, I think I went back there because he was someone that I knew and someone that you wanted.

[Jamie Lang]

Familiarity.

[Danny Dyer]

Yeah, that familiarity of like. And I mean, you just. I was again, at 21 and I was a bit like, oh, that didn't work out with Jack. So kind of know him. Like, it's not. We'll probably just have a bit of fun or. Do you know what I mean? It's not going to be anything. And obviously I don't regret anything. I don't. I always say now, like, I never regret anything because I think every decision you make, good or bad, leads you to the path you're meant to go on. And having Santi changed me as a person massively. So I'm so glad I had my Sant. So I think I had to go through a kind of tricky relationship to get my little boy to change me, to move forward. Wow. That's how I look at that relationship now, because it got. It changed me. It really did.

[Jamie Lang]

How did it change you?

[Danny Dyer]

Because I think I was always looking for the fire. I never really looked at my future. I was always very present. And I would do things that my friends was always like. You never really think about.

[Sophie]

Like, my best friend Kayleigh, she's like. I think I drove her mad because she was always so sensible that I

[Danny Dyer]

was the naughty little mate.

[Sophie]

Do you know what I mean?

[Danny Dyer]

She's the sensible one, always in relationships.

[Sophie]

And I'd ring her up and go, okay, look what I've done now.

[Danny Dyer]

And do you know what I mean? She needed a bit of that, though. So I think when I got went back to that relationship, I think I was just still going through that kind of. And I mean, I was, who am I?

[Jamie Lang]

What am I?

[Danny Dyer]

What am I doing? And I didn't really think. But, yeah, I think it changed me because I kind of really. Once I had Santi, I was like, right, I'm an adult now and I've

[Sophie]

got to look after a child.

[Danny Dyer]

So all these stupid little things that I'm doing and being like, just not. I can't explain what I Mean, But I just think I never really thought about anything. So when I had my little boy, I was like, every decision I make is for my little boy now, and I want to give him the best future ever.

[Sophie]

Wow.

[Danny Dyer]

I can't be giving him a toxic environment.

[Jamie Lang]

Were you? Maybe. Did you plan Santi?

[Danny Dyer]

No. No, I don't. Because just before. Just before Santi, I got pregnant and then that didn't work out. And then I got pregnant. Literally, I think. So the first.

[Sophie]

Right.

[Danny Dyer]

So before I got pregnant with Santi, I got pregnant and then that didn't work out. But then I wanted a baby then, because that didn't work out. Wow. Because I was like, well, I want a baby.

[Sophie]

So this month, I'm going to be not careful.

[Danny Dyer]

Do you know what I mean? Because I. Because it didn't work out. Because I think that happens with people. They either really want to have a baby or then they don't want to have a baby for a little while. And I think for me, I was like, no, I'm having a baby. And my mum and dad were fuming at the time, so I think we kind of.

[Jamie Lang]

What did they say? How did. So you. Yeah, you fall pregnant.

[Danny Dyer]

Yeah, you.

[Jamie Lang]

I reckon you tell your mum first.

[Danny Dyer]

You always tell your mum.

[Sophie]

You always tell your mum. I think.

[Danny Dyer]

I think I always.

[Sophie]

As soon as I get the line on my pregnancy test, they're like, you ring your mum or your best friend. Do you know what I mean? Like, straight away, like, the wee still in the toilet, you're like, mom, Sophie.

[Jamie Lang]

When Sophie honestly showed it to me, and I was like, oh, my God. And then on the phone, and I was like, yeah. Whoa. Is this like. I thought we were meant to, like,

[Sophie]

that was the best feeling ever.

[Jamie Lang]

It's an amazing feeling. But. So you then phone your mum, nervous to tell your mum?

[Danny Dyer]

Yeah, I was nervous to tell my mum. And to be honest, they were. So. They was happy for me with the baby. Like, they were so happy that I was. They knew kind of what I went through. Do you know what I mean? So there was, like, when obviously I got pregnant with Santi, they was, like, happy for me for that, but they was. Obviously, they knew that relationship that I was in was never gonna work. So I think for them, they was, like, knowing that, right, she's gonna have this baby, but she's probably not gonna be with this person. And they obviously didn't want that for me. And I get it now, because now I'm a parent, I totally get it. And I've said sorry to him so

[Sophie]

many times, I'm like, I'm so sorry what I put you through.

[Danny Dyer]

Yeah. You know, like, you know when you're a teenager and you're really mean to them?

[Sophie]

And I look back and I'm like,

[Danny Dyer]

God, I've got so much karma coming.

[Sophie]

But, yeah, I just feel like I

[Danny Dyer]

get what they were saying now, because I was like, you're not gonna. You're probably not gonna be with him. Why are you having a baby? So stupid.

[Jamie Lang]

Do you know what a baby does? It looks good.

[Danny Dyer]

Yeah. Like, what are you doing? And I was like, I'm fine. I can do what I want, and all that sort of stuff. So I think we had a little bit of that. But obviously, as we progressed, I was. They were so happy because that was their little grandson or granddaughter. You know what I mean? So they ended up putting their emotions at bay and then just sort of getting me through my pregnancy.

[Jamie Lang]

The pregnancy before, was it a miscarriage?

[Danny Dyer]

Yeah, it was a miscarriage, but it was. It was. It was a very early miscarriage. But I think it just. When I got pregnant again, I mean, I don't know how many scans I had. I was up there all the time. I was literally knocking at the door

[Sophie]

like, can you check again? Can you check again? They're like, daddy, come on. I'd have a portfolio of Santi. Honestly, you weren't even born, and he's got a whole. Literally, I just thought, I need to see him one more time.

[Jamie Lang]

No one talks about that. No one talks about the anxiety that you feel, because all you want to have is a healthy, happy baby. Everything else is a bonus.

[Danny Dyer]

Absolutely.

[Jamie Lang]

And it's so scary.

[Danny Dyer]

Pregnancy is so scary. So scary. Because it is like you're looking. You're growing a baby. Like, it's a miracle in a sense, isn't it? Like, looking after them and making sure you're doing the right things. And don't eat this, don't eat that. It was scary for me.

[Jamie Lang]

What's your relationship like with Santi's dad now?

[Danny Dyer]

With. I would say we're very civil. And I will always be really civil to him because obviously that's Santi's dad. Do you know what I mean? Like, there's got to be times, you know, with Santi in school plays and his birthdays, and I would never want Santi to feel uncomfortable, like, Santi's never gonna know his mum and dad being together, which I kind of. I actually prefer that more because he's never gonna know what he's missing. In that sense. Because you always feel guilty. I always, always. I always feel so. Because, you know, like, when Jared walks through the door and the twins are like, daddy, Daddy. I fear that Santi is. He. Does he feel. I know he doesn't because he's 4, but, like, does he feel that that's not his daddy? I always have them feelings. But it's good because one of my twins, Santi, calls Jared jj.

[Sophie]

And Summer keeps calling Jared jj. He was calling him jj. I'm like, that's Daddy.

[Danny Dyer]

So, yeah, I do. I always feel guilty for Santi and I probably do overcompensate with Santi a little bit. Like, I molly coddle him a lot because I'm like, it's me and Santi against the world. Because I think there was a time where it was me and him against the world and we was on our own together. So I just, you know, if Sandy

[Sophie]

goes, I'm going to.

[Jamie Lang]

But Danny, the. You know, it's. It's also. It's a little bit like your own relationship with your mum. Yeah, in a little bit. And, you know, especially if you're, you know, your dad maybe was coming on the Friday, but it was like you and your mum, young. It's like, we're against the world here and that's an amazing thing. But your. Your ex partner went to prison, right?

[Danny Dyer]

He did. And that was a really hard time, I think, for me as well. Like, we sort of got together and it was like.

[Jamie Lang]

It's a lot.

[Danny Dyer]

It was a lot. Do you know what I mean? And do you know what it is as well? I think for me, I never really thought about what he was doing or. I don't know. I don't know. Was I a little bit naive? I don't know. I just wasn't really ever paying attention when I should have.

[Jamie Lang]

No, you shouldn't, by the way. Take no accountability.

[Danny Dyer]

It was a hard time because I

[Jamie Lang]

think for me, you're young and you're.

[Danny Dyer]

You don't think. Do you know what I mean?

[Jamie Lang]

Also, look, you're pregnant looking up.

[Danny Dyer]

And I think for me as well, then obviously going through the pregnancy and then it was all leaked to the press and then people really were hating on me. Like, they were the stuff I was getting and I never really. Then when he went to prison, obviously everyone sort of blamed me and I was a bit like, I felt like I'd done the crime. Like, I genuinely felt like I had done it and committed it. Cause people, you know, the press were accusing me and there Was a lot. A lot going on. And I remember sitting there, and I was like, I don't know how to comment on this. I don't know what to say, because anything I say is going to be manipulated or twisted, and I just love the wrong person. Do you know what I mean? And. And I didn't want to ever say anything that was gonna. Santi was gonna see when he was older or I didn't want to go on YouTube and start crying. It's just not my. I just didn't know what to do. So I just stayed silent. And I stayed silent about it for years. I didn't speak about it for a very long time. Like, I think only the past year now that I can actually see speak.

[Jamie Lang]

Almost like PTSD thing.

[Danny Dyer]

Yeah. Because I just didn't want to speak about it.

[Jamie Lang]

So worried what people are going to say. You don't want to bring up all those comments again and everything.

[Danny Dyer]

And I totally get it. Like, I totally get it. And I. Now and again, now I get the odd comment. But, I mean.

[Jamie Lang]

But you know what? It's not your decision.

[Danny Dyer]

Yeah, it wasn't my.

[Jamie Lang]

But you do know that.

[Danny Dyer]

Yeah, no, I know. Yeah. But I think it's. When you get with someone, people just automatically think that you're, like, condoning that you're accepting it, and, you know, you're with it. And I think for me, it was like, I just really loved the wrong person and just didn't really think about what he was doing. Do you know what I mean? Because I loved him. And I was like, you know, when

[Sophie]

the person is so wrong for you, but you're like, no, but I want

[Danny Dyer]

to be with him.

[Sophie]

I want to prove everyone wrong.

[Jamie Lang]

And you see the best. My friends wrong and my family wrong, 100%. And when you're in that. In love, you're blinded by everything.

[Danny Dyer]

And I was. I totally agree that Love is blind, 100%. I think him going to prison was, like, the worst time of my life, but the best time of my life. And the fact that I was like, this is my time now. I had my little boy. And I was like this because he

[Jamie Lang]

went away for scamming people, right?

[Danny Dyer]

Yes.

[Jamie Lang]

And did you ever visit him in prison?

[Danny Dyer]

No.

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You didn't?

[Danny Dyer]

No. I never, ever wanted to. I think for me, because we was never right for one another. And as soon as I had Santi, I knew what love was. I had my little boy, and I was like, I love this little boy so much. And I. It's really weird. It was like, A switch for me.

[Jamie Lang]

Really?

[Danny Dyer]

Yeah, it was like a switch. And I was like, he's my baby. And no. So I never. I never went and visited him at all.

[Jamie Lang]

The strength of a mother. You become a lioness.

[Danny Dyer]

Yeah, you are.

[Sophie]

I've been looking after your little cubs,

[Jamie Lang]

you know what I mean?

[Danny Dyer]

And that's how I was.

[Jamie Lang]

Do you know what's been really brave about you as well, Danny, is that you've spoken about the loneliness, the anxiety, the emotions that you feel during pregnancy and after pregnancy.

[Danny Dyer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Lang]

And you did a documentary about it.

[Danny Dyer]

Yes, I did.

[Jamie Lang]

What. What emotions did you feel?

[Danny Dyer]

I think it's not really spoken. I mean, I think. I think it's got a lot better now. I think women are speaking about anxiety and loneliness, you know, I think women are now, because I don't think women support women. I think a lot of women like to attack women. If a woman is moaning or they're a little bit down or they're a little bit lost, you know, and they. And they speak about it, they always get someone coming, stop moaning, stop complaining. You're lucky to have a baby. You do still get quite a lot of that. And I feel like women understand, should understand women. We all have to have a period every month. We have moments when we feel a bit bloated. And the first time you're bloated, you notice a woman go, you look fat. There's still that whole concept of, like, women just don't like to support other women. And I think, for me, when I did this documentary, I just really wanted, like, women to just sort of come together and sort of see their stories and be like, you know, not every pregnancy, you know, is successful. And you have this baby and when you have a baby, you all of a sudden you're like, oh, my God, I have a baby.

[Sophie]

What do I do? Like, you get sent home with this baby and you've got to look after the baby. And I'm like, my mum come and lived with me for a little while and she left and I was like, you've got to come back, Mum. You've got to come back.

[Jamie Lang]

You're a single parent.

[Danny Dyer]

Yes.

[Jamie Lang]

And you're 22.

[Danny Dyer]

22. So that was hard. And my mum used to, like, come over and fill up my fridge and all that sort of stuff.

[Jamie Lang]

Because the dog you did is called Danida. Is this anxiety because there's a difference between anxiety and loneliness? Yes, anxiety for me. And I don't know the same thing. It's like this heightened, like, adrenaline feeling where it's just so uncomfortable. But, but loneliness is one that no one really talks about because you're so isolated as a parent.

[Danny Dyer]

So isolated because you're sort of like living on a. It's really hard to like get out of the door and like you're sort of living on a clock, you know, feed times, changing times and you know you do have that and you haven't got that thing of like just being able to get up and go and your freedom goes, you know, like if you think I'm just going to get up and walk up to the shop or and like that postpartum thing of like you don't feel great in yourself because obviously like women will get it differently. Like some of my friends didn't get it. Some I did like the baby blues, like you have really, you have them weeks where you just cry over nothing. Like literally your toast or burning or sobbing over the toast. Baby blues can last a few weeks. Like it does. It's not like a day thing, it can last a few weeks, a month, six weeks. But I think with post out depression it just carries on, carries on and then you just feel really, really low and like you can't get out of that.

[Jamie Lang]

And having to look after your kids

[Danny Dyer]

and having to look after a baby when you don't want to look after yourself, then you feel really like we have mum guilt. Honestly, mum guilt was the worst thing ever.

[Jamie Lang]

Explain that to me.

[Danny Dyer]

You just feel guilty over everything.

[Sophie]

Like it's like you go on a night out and you feel bad for leaving your child, but then you're at home and you want a night out and you feel bad that you want a night out because you should want to just be with your child. You go to work, you feel bad, you're at home, but I want to work. It's like.

[Jamie Lang]

And then, and then what happens with your partner is that you're annoyed at your partner for not feeling guilty because you're like, I'm feeling guilty. Why are you not feeling guilty about this as well?

[Danny Dyer]

Especially because like when we had the twins, me and Jared, he was like, had to go back to football, like pretty much straight away. He was in Australia, then he was in Prague and it was really annoying

[Sophie]

because obviously I couldn't go. I wanted to go and like support him and I couldn't go. But I was annoyed at myself. I was like, my twins are like two weeks old, I can't physically go.

[Danny Dyer]

So yeah, you do have that. A little bit of their life carries on and then you're like at home and you feel a bit like you're a bit wobbly, your boobs are leaking. You know, it's all a little bit unattractive for a while.

[Jamie Lang]

You're farting all over.

[Danny Dyer]

You're farting everywhere.

[Sophie]

Constipated, probably. But yeah, it's.

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