DANI DYER on Confidence Struggles, Dad's Addictions & Why I Never Visited My Son's Father In Prison

Summary

Podcast Summary: Great Company with Jamie Laing

Episode: DANI DYER on Confidence Struggles, Dad's Addictions & Why I Never Visited My Son's Father In Prison
Date: October 29, 2025
Host: Jamie Laing, Jampot Productions
Guest: Dani Dyer

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Episode Overview

In this deeply personal and candid episode, Jamie Laing sits down with Dani Dyer—reality TV winner and daughter of actor Danny Dyer—to talk about her lifelong struggles with confidence, family relationships, her father’s battles with addiction, navigating fame, motherhood, and the immense pressure (and judgment) often placed on women. Dani also opens up about her ex-partner's incarceration and why she chose never to visit him in prison, as well as the realities of postnatal anxiety and loneliness. This episode is packed with relatability, laughter, and hard-earned insights on resilience and self-love.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking Down the “WAG” Stereotype

• [03:13] Dani expresses discomfort with being called a “WAG” (wife and girlfriend), sharing, “I hate that word...it’s just the way it’s said.” She and Jamie laugh over the football chants about her and her partner, Jared (West Ham).
  • Quote: “Whoever made that chant, I need…DM me…Because I want to know.” (Dani, 03:30)

2. Family & Upbringing: Growing Up Dyer

• [04:43] Dani reflects on being raised by parents who were “still teenagers,” fostering a mateship-like relationship.
  • Quote: “They were kind of like, still teenagers in a sense…so they’re like my friends.” (Dani, 04:51)
• She discusses her parents’ tumultuous but loving relationship, starting young and weathering hard times but deeply in love.
  • Quote: “You walk into a room and you just know they’re in love.” (Dani, 09:01)

3. Social Pressures and Moving to Essex

• [10:39] Moving from East London to Essex was “a massive cultural shock” with more emphasis on materialism and fitting in at school.
  • Quote: “In Essex, you had to wear Prada shoes…your skirt had to be rolled up a certain way and perfect foundation.” (Dani, 11:12)

4. Career Dreams, Nepotism, and Confidence Issues

• [13:15-16:11] Despite early acting aspirations, Dani explains why enduring rejection, online hate, and comparisons to her famous dad led her to quit pursuing acting.
  • Quote: “You’re either gonna ignore [the hate] and move on, or let them kind of win…In a sense, I just never really… I’m terrible with it. I don’t have this thick skin thing.” (Dani, 16:43)
• Opens up about her struggles with self-esteem, which began in her teens with bullying and body-image issues.
  • Quote: “I just never really had that [confidence], ever.” (Dani, 17:54)

5. Love Island, Anxiety & Mental Health

• [21:33-27:00] Jamie and Dani discuss the paradox of someone with low confidence signing up for Love Island. Dani explains it happened almost by accident after another show fell through, but she loved the experience.
• She reflects on the rapid relationships, intense public attention, her dad’s worry, and the challenge of managing her image post-show.
• Talks about the consequences of reality TV fame and the mental toll:
  • Quote: “You can come off a show like Love Island, you are so big and then all of a sudden, people can just forget about you…People just like to be mean.” (Dani, 34:03)
  • Discusses her admiration for former host Caroline Flack, emphasizing the importance of kindness and mental health support.

6. Navigating Relationships, Breakups, and Motherhood

• [48:49-59:17] Dani details her breakup with Love Island partner Jack Fincham, reuniting with a previous, “toxic” boyfriend, and unexpectedly becoming pregnant with her son, Santiago (“Santi”).
  • Quote: “Having Santi changed me as a person massively. I think I had to go through a tricky relationship to get my little boy, to change me, to move forward.” (Dani, 50:45)
• Reveals her pride in becoming fiercely protective as a single mum, even in the face of judgment and her ex’s legal troubles.
• Shares openly about a miscarriage prior to Santi and the anxiety of pregnancy after loss.
  • Quote: “When I got pregnant again, I don’t know how many scans I had…I was literally knocking at their door.” (Dani, 54:38)

7. On Her Son’s Father’s Incarceration

• [56:44-59:38] Dani’s ex-partner went to prison while she was raising their son. She discusses public backlash, being judged in the media, and her decision never to visit him:
  • Quote: “As soon as I had Santi, I knew what love was…It was like a switch. So I never went and visited him at all.” (Dani, 59:37)

8. Postnatal Anxiety & Loneliness

• [60:05-65:02] Dani speaks with honesty about postpartum anxiety, “the baby blues,” and the loneliness of new motherhood:
  • Quote: “You get sent home with this baby and you’ve got to look after the baby…My mum came and lived with me for a little while…when she left I was like, you’ve got to come back, Mum.” (Dani, 61:09)
• She gives advice to new parents to “enjoy the newborn bubble,” not to feel pressured to be perfect, and to seek help if struggling.

9. Dani’s Advice and Candid Reflections

• Postnatal depression vs. baby blues: Dani clarifies the difference, urging anyone struggling to seek help if “it carries on and you just feel really, really low.” (66:31)
• Talks about “mum guilt”—the feeling of being torn between caring for your child and wanting your own time or career.
• Practical & emotional advice for new mums and dads:
  • Quote: “Just ride the wave…If she wants to cry, let her cry. Angry, not really retaliating…Pure love and you…fall in love with your partner so much more when they do all them things.” (Dani, 69:38)

10. Her Dad’s Addiction Struggles

• [38:11-42:51] Dani recounts her father’s struggles with drugs, his stints in rehab, and how the family coped.
  • Quote: “We always say if he didn’t go rehab, he probably wouldn’t be here now…EastEnders did save him in a sense...he was in such a dark place.” (Dani, 39:16)
• She speaks openly about writing a letter to her dad while he was in rehab, although she doesn’t remember what she wrote—“maybe you’re in pain and everything you write floods out, and then it’s like you close it and never want to reopen it again.” (Dani, 43:31)

11. Strictly Come Dancing & Recent Setbacks

• [73:00-75:46] Dani describes joining Strictly Come Dancing, only to suffer a foot fracture and be forced to withdraw. She and Jamie bond over the disappointment and lack of control over sudden setbacks.
  • Quote: “That day, he [the physio] was like, just go home…And then the Tuesday morning, the phone call…it was like someone had died. I know that sounds dramatic, but…” (Dani, 74:44)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "You’re either gonna ignore [the hate] and move on...Or let them win...I don’t have this thick skin thing.” – Dani ([16:43])
• “Having Santi changed me as a person massively.” – Dani ([50:48])
• “As soon as I had Santi, I knew what love was. It was like a switch…So I never went and visited him [in prison] at all.” – Dani ([59:37])
• “Do you know what’s amazing about you is I can see it in your whole demeanor…15, 16…you have the mentality to realize you want to cry…but you also have to stay strong.” – Jamie ([44:06])
• “Just ride the wave...If she wants to cry, let her cry…Stock up the fridge, do the night feeds, run her a nice bath.” – Dani ([69:38])
• “He always needs the biggest of everything…My dad.” – Dani, talking about her dad’s quirks ([36:25])

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Important Timestamps

• [03:13] – “WAG” label & football chants
• [04:43] – Growing up with young parents
• [11:12] – Materialism/culture shock in Essex schools
• [13:15-16:11] – Acting dreams, confidence, “nepo baby”/online hate
• [17:54-19:09] – Teenage bullying, nose job, self-esteem
• [21:33-27:00] – Love Island journey, rapid fame, mentor reflections
• [34:03-35:52] – Reality TV’s mental health impact, Caroline Flack
• [38:11-43:31] – Dad’s addiction, rehab, family resilience
• [48:49-52:23] – Motherhood, miscarriage, unplanned pregnancy
• [54:24-59:38] – Relationship with son’s father, prison, and choosing not to visit
• [60:05-65:02] – Postnatal anxiety, motherhood advice
• [66:31] – Baby blues vs. postnatal depression
• [69:38] – Partner advice during postpartum
• [73:00-75:46] – Strictly Come Dancing injury and emotional fallout
• [76:18-78:44] – Quickfire questions: motivation, compliments, best/worst habits, guilty pleasures

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Tone and Style

This episode is a mix of lighthearted banter, emotional honesty, and practical advice. Dani is open, vulnerable, self-deprecating, and relatable, with Jamie offering warmth, empathy, and humor throughout.

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Concluding Advice

• Let yourself be imperfect, especially as a new parent.
• Don’t feel pressured to “bounce back” or let social media dictate your journey.
• Seek connection—whether with family, friends, or professionals—if struggling with anxiety or loneliness.
• Ignore unkind comments and recognize that even those who seem outwardly confident struggle with self-doubt.

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For the full experience and to hear Dani’s warmth and wit, listen to the episode.

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[Interviewer (James English)]

My name is Jamie Lang and this is great company. Hi guys. Welcome back to Great Company. Very, very excited for this episode with Danny D. It is just amazing for so many reasons. Now before we start the show. I just want to ask one favor, which is if you haven't subscribed to our channel yet, please do. It does us wonders. It's completely for free. And I will love you free forever. That's the only thing I'll ever ask. Okay, here we go. Enjoy this episode of Great Company. I Cannot Wait with Danny Dyer.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Hi, I'm Danny Dyer, and I'm in Great Company.

[Interviewer (James English)]

You're a wag there now.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I hate that word.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Okay, well, I don't understand why.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Cuz it's just wives and girlfriends. I just think it's the way it's said.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, she's a wag.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Okay, well, you. You. Jared plays football for West Ham.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What are some of the chants that the fans.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Oh, what?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Whoever made that chant chant, I need.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

They need to DM me and let.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Me know who it is. Because I want to know.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What is the chant?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Bowen's on fire and he's shagging Danny.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

D' you know, my little boy says, kissing Danny. He sings it in the back of my car sometimes. Sant. He. Bowen's on fire and he's kissing Danny Dyer.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I'm like, that's your mother you're speaking about. I can't even ground him.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

He's too smart.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And he's shaggy. Daddy. Dia.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Shaggy. No, no, no.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

My dad sings it. He thinks it's brilliant. Thinks it's brilliant.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

He says. He starts to chant off sometimes.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I'm like, yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Wait, so you live close to your dad?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

My mom and my dad, yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

How close do you live to them?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Seven minutes away.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Seven minutes?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Driving or walking?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Driving, yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Walking. It's a bit dangerous where we are.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Do you think you'll ever move away? Too far away from your parents?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I don't know. If we had to, I would. But I do like having them around because obviously Jared's family is so far away. Like, so far away from us. So they're my only little comfort blanket. So I like having them near me.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I've always been very near. I was 20 minutes before, and that felt far.

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[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah. It's ridiculous.

[Interviewer (James English)]

How close are you to your family?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

So close, I think.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Cause they had me so young. Like, they were 18 when they had me, my mum and dad.

[Interviewer (James English)]

That is crazy.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah. They were babies. Like, babies.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So I think that's why they've sort of brought me up. I mean, they were kind of like, still teenagers in a sense. You know what I mean? Like, so they're like my friends.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Really.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. It's great.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But explain that to Me. So what does it mean? Because I. I find this with. When I married Sophie. Right.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

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I.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What? I sort of didn't. When you marry someone, you forget that you're marrying the whole family as well. You think you're just marrying that same person. And I got very lucky. I married like, into, like, her family, which are amazing. But she's very like. She's. My parents are my parents. I definitely see them as parents.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And I. I probably wouldn't. I can now, but I. I wouldn't, like, smoke around my parents. I wouldn't swear around my parents. And I would. Yeah. I had this sort of relationship that. Where Sophie. They're like mates.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yes.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But also parents. But also like mates. And I found that, like, it was like this really close. I'm close with my family. Yeah. Yeah. But it's a different sort of closeness when you feel like you're mates with them.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

So you have that.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah, very. Don't get.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

See, my mum was always a lot stricter than my dad. So, like. And it used to annoy me when I was a teenager. Cause I was always first home. They used to always. Always had to be the first one in and they'd always catch me. Cause obviously at 14, 15, you want to go over the fields and drink.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

A bottle of Glenn's.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I said, oh, I weren't arming anyone.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

We used to have Glenn's and a bottle of Boost and just swigging it backwards and forwards. And then I used to watch a trailer of a film and then tell them the film that I've definitely not watched.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And they'd always catch me and they would ground me. So they would. And my phone was taken off me every night until I was 16. Like, I used to try and swap.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Sims and put SIM into another phone and they'd still catch me.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So they were strict. But as I've got older, I've always told them everything. Which did always shoot me in the foot a little bit growing up.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

But, yeah, we are real close.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What was it like growing up in the household. In the Dyer household?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

You know, it was great. I had a really good upbringing. Like, a really good upbringing. Obviously, I always remember, like, obviously my mum and dad weren't together for the first few years of my life. And then they would sort of. It's funny because I used to know.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

On a Friday night when my dad.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Was staying or not.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Cause I'd be like, you staying over tonight, dad? And now I kind of get it. It makes me feel really sick, but because he Used to, like, what were.

[Interviewer (James English)]

They doing, do you think?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I don't want to go into that. But he used to always read me.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Like every Friday night he'd come over.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And read, like, me, the Roald Dahl books.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

He was so great at the actors. You ever read the book the Twits?

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah, I loved it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I loved that. So he was always over on a Friday night. So.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah, the first few years they was.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Very off and on. But I had a great child.

[Interviewer (James English)]

You can remember that as well? I can remember that. What age you at that point?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Maybe like four or five.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Really?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I can remember little segments of them.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, I always remember he bought me.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

A dressing up box and I had all the, like, fancy dress outfits in it.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

My mum's like, she's not having that. And she left it outside. This is when we lived in Canning Town. She left it outside and then when he walked away, she went, you can have it, darling. And then she brought in the fancy dress box. Honestly, they were so toxic at a young age.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

But they've been together since they were 14, my mum and dad.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

So they have been through it all.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Together, do you know what I mean?

[Interviewer (James English)]

But that's. But you. But what does that do as a young kid when you see your parents, like fighting with each other and having arguments? Because they're so. They're young, right?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And when you. They always say having a. And I'm going to talk about this with you, but they say having a child is like having a crisis in a relationship.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It throws up everything.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I mean, from feeling lonely to feeling anxious to not knowing what to do, to having sleepless nights, to having arguments. And when you're 18, 19 years old, you don't even know who you are. So then throwing that crisis into a relationship is a nightmare.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And I think my mum as well was like, my dad has always been an amazing dad. Like, he is phenomenal and so is my mum. But obviously my dad, I don't think was ever ready to have a baby so young. Do you know what I mean? Whereas my mum, we'd go everywhere with her.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, I'd literally go everywhere with my mum.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And it'd be like, even if you.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Went to a pub, you know what I mean? You put the two chairs together, I'd have a nap on the chair. Do you know what I mean? Like, it was. I was so close.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Like, we did everything together, do you know? And as we grew up, I think with my dad, he was always working a lot, you know, he Was sort of trying to make it out and trying to obviously become an actor. And he's obviously smashed it now. But, yeah, there was years of obviously when they weren't together. But I always remember them being together, like.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Cause they wasn't, but they was.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Do you know what I mean? But they're a couple that could never not be together. Explain that to me. They just love each other so much. Like, you walk into a room and you just know they're in love.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And I love that these days you always catch them kissing, cuddling. And like, when I was young, I'm like, that's so gross.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

But growing up now, I'm like, no, I like that.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I love her. In love they are.

[Interviewer (James English)]

There's a. I always think I got told something by someone about relationships, which is where if you can see yourself spending 10,000 hours with that person, you want to go forget what they look like. Forget all these different things. Like, can you spend 10,000 hours with that person? If you look at your parents, I mean, it's well over that.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Oh, my God.

[Interviewer (James English)]

14 years old to being now 14.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

It's incredible the journey they've had.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

But, yeah, you can just see in a room that they're meant to be.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But when you're growing up and your parents aren't, Taylor, what does that make you? Does that make you feel a certain way? Because were you. Did you have to grow up quicker in a way?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I think so, because I was an only child as well for a long time, obviously. My sister's 18, so I was like 11 when she was born. So it was really me and my mum for a very, very long time. And obviously my mum took ages to get pregnant with my sister. It just took her a very long time. So then when my sister come along, it was a massive adjustment then for me because obviously there was a new baby in the house. But I think, have I grown up quicker? I don't know. But I do think, you know, with my mum and dad, we've always been very close. No matter what. I've always been able to tell my mum everything, tell my dad everything.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Sometimes I tell my mum things of my dad, other things, because my dad's more. A little bit softer than my mum. She's a little bit more stricter.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Were you a popular kid?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I don't. Was I?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

So when I started, so I was.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

In school, we lived in Canning Town and I went to a school there. It was like in East London. So we moved from East London to Essex and I was 12 and that was a jump.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, I know it's only half hour.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Up the road, but it was a massive cultural shock.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Why? Because.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Because in East London, I can't expect. No one really had anything. So, like, no, you know, you turn up in your Primark pumps and your Primark bags. No one battered an eyelid. And you moved to Essex and it was very like. We had to wear Prada shoes.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

So we started school.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Get out of here.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah, so you started the school and.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I mean, they banned it when my sister started that school, which I'm really happy about. So, yeah, you go in and you have to wear Prada shoes.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And at the time it was Paul's.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Boutique bags and your skirt had to be rolled up a certain way and perfect foundation. It was a massive jump.

[Interviewer (James English)]

That's pressure.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

It was pressure.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And I remember crying to my mum, going, you've got to get me out this school.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Mom, she was like, just give it it. Give it to the end of the summer, see how you get along and if not, I will take you back.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

To your old school.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Because that was just do it bags. And I could wear trousers and it was so different. It can. In town to.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah, that is so funny that, like geographically, not even that far. It's a completely different change.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Completely different. Because the. In East London. No, it wasn't really. It's not really about money or status or anything, but Essex is quite like that, I think, personally.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah, but I think you're probably right.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, the first six months was really hard, but then, you know, you lead your way up.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But that's almost hard as well for. For your parents. Because with your kids, right, you want them to stay as naive as possible, you want them to stay young and you don't want them to be obsessed with materialistic things.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

No, but it is like. People probably hate me saying it, but I do think Essex is very materialistic.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I think the world is materialistic.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

It's become a lot more like that.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Who was your first boyfriend at school?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

My first boyfriend. I was trying to think about my first boyfriends the other day. I don't know why.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

My first. I'm trying to think of my proper one.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Well, who's your first kiss?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Right.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

He was called Charlie.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Okay.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

He was called Charlie. It was my first kiss and we was on. He had like a little brick wall.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And I remember we.

[Interviewer (James English)]

He had a little brick wall that carried around with him.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

It was outside his house, he had a brick wall and I was drinking a Capri Sun.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And he took the capri sun out of my mouth and kissed me.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Absolute stud.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah. It was my first. He was my first proper, I would say. I mean, we were so young. Like, very, very young. But I really did adore him, actually.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Were you doing drama at school?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I love drama. Like, I really did. There was a part of my life where I really wanted to do acting. Like, I loved it.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, that's the only A star I got, actually. Gcse, we never made it to A levels, but that's okay. Gcse, A, I will always hold that.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Really.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I worked hard for that. A star. I made sure as well to the teacher because she'd put out groups who was going to be doing, obviously, the GCSE drama.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And I said to you, you better give me a good group. You bet.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Because there's some kids in here that have took this for fun and it ain't fun, okay? This is hardcore. And I did get all the good ones and we smashed it.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Why didn't you take acting further?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I never. I just don't think I had enough confidence. I lack so much confidence.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I. I'm terrible for it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I just didn't have that. And I always thought I'm not really good with rejection. So it was like, you'd go for auditions and it'd be, no, no, no, no. And I felt like, I can't stop crying.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

This is just not good for me. This is not good for me at all.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And my dad used to be like, you just have to keep going, keep going. For him, he even wanted to do acting or be an artist because he loves to draw, but he just kept pushing and pushing, whereas me, I just didn't. I never thought I was going to be good enough at it. So in the end I just was like, I'm just going to stop.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It told me you feel like you lack confidence.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Oh, massively. I've always been. I've always been the sort of person if, like, if something's really good is happening, then I'm like, oh, something bad's going to happen.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And that's what I would now.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

But, you know, like, that whole thing of, like. Yeah, I just lacked confidence, especially in my teenage years. So I think when it was, like being 16, I remember when I left, to be fair, started college and I went to this little college and it was like musical theater, and I wanted to do musical theater. And then it didn't really. It was. No one really ended up doing musical theater, to be honest. We was out and doing God knows what. Do you know what I mean? So, and then I did get. It was random. Cause my dad was filming a show and it was Vendetta, A movie.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And the girl was pregnant and she's meant to be dragged out of a car and. Cause she was pregnant. I was like, we can't use her. And my dad was like, oh, my daughter might do it. Then he rung me, was like, do you want to fill in this next week? I was like, absolutely. And I did it and I loved it. And then I did another film called.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

We Still Kill the Old Way.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And I loved that.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, they were like British gangster, you know, that kind of movie thing.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And I did love it. Like, I enjoyed it so much. But then I think I was always going to be compared to my dad and I can't bear that. Always, always going to be. I'll get it all. Nepo baby, all that sort of stuff. And I found it really hard. Like, I did a little stint on EastEnders, like I did during COVID There was like, an Eastender and the woman was pregnant and my dad had to do, like, a scene with her. And during COVID I wasn't allowed to be, like, close with anyone. So my dad was like, do you want to do it, babe? I was like, go on, then. And again, I loved it.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

But I've had so many hate comments. I was like, I just can't put myself through it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And it was always, yeah, yeah, my nightmare.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But the first thing I want to say, that's not being a nightmare. That's like. It's understandable that. That it's hard because having, you know, Danny Dyer seen it, like.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

As your dad, who is sort of an icon in the. In the British, like, film industry.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It is hard because anyone. Whatever you do, you're gonna be compared.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And whatever you do, people are gonna say it's because of your surname and whatever you do. But. And if you lack the confidence then, which you're saying you do, it's quite hard to push through that.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yes.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Because you don't really want to deal with those comments. Just like, I don't care. I'd rather just not do that. To have to face up to that.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. Think you're either gonna ignore them and move on from it or let them kind of win. And in a sense, I just never really. I can't. I'm terrible with it. I'm so bad. I know you meant to have this whole thick skin thing, but I don't have it.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I'm like, yeah, but good on you for saying that. Because so many people right now listening and watching will be agreeing with you so much.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

When do you remember that confidence started to drop? What age was it?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I would say probably them, sort of teenagery age, you know, like when you're in, like, secondary school and stuff.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But why? What happened?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I don't know. I really can't put my finger on why I'm like it. Look, I remember at school when I was. What was it called in year, I think I was like year seven, year eight at the time. And this boy always used to pick.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

On me for my nose. I did have a nose job, actually, but I did, I loved it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Best thing I've ever done.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Everyone has a nose job says that. They're like, it's the best thing I've ever done.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Best thing I've ever done.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And don't worry, a lot of people have had nose jobs as well. I would go for a nose job.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Honestly, you don't need a nose job. Maybe I would. I loved it. But in school, he always used to call me cab at night. It was so horrible to me, like, bullied me for my nose. I remember thinking, I'm getting a nose job. I was like 12.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And no, I don't know, I just think you're either confident or you're not. And I've just never really had that, ever. But I think, yeah, when it got to. When I was about 16, 17, maybe 17, I did, obviously, them films and then I did Vendetta and then I did We Still Kill the Old Way, and then kind of turned 18, I was still auditioning and nothing ever really was happening. And then obviously, a few years later, that's when I went on Love Island. So, you know.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But it's one of those things, right, which is where you're 18 years old and you've done a few films and it is that thing, what your dad said, where you have to keep doing it, keep going. You have to keep going. Because I imagine, you know, your dad as well, would have been the same position where he had some films, then didn't have some films, and he had to keep pushing for it. And that's that resilience that you have to keep doing to patience.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And I have zero patience, really.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Zero. Cause I remember then I was training as a. I was a dental nurse. So I did dental nursing in between. Cause my mum was. I was like, you gotta get a job done, you know, come on, got your National Insurance number, let's get you working. And I loved being a dental nurse. That was fun. So I had something to keep me going, but I think where I just lacked it and thought there's so many people out there that want to be an actor. I just never really pushed through it. Never really. I just sort of left it a bit.

[Interviewer (James English)]

How's your confidence now?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I'm up and down, I think, like, I mean, I'm so happy where I'm at. Do you know what I mean? Like, currently I'm in a really good place. But I think you know what this industry is like. You have your good and your bad. But I mean, as a person, I will all. I think that's just who I am. I don't think.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I think I could have therapy every single day.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I would just always lack it. That is my most.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Would it take an anxious thing?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, definitely. I've always. I think my anxiety. I think now it's good. Cause people speak about anxiety so much. But when I was like real. When I was again the teenage years, 18, 19, I went for a terrible breakup. Like that was my first proper boyfriend. And I think that's when I understanded what anxiety was. Do you know what I mean? Like, I was like, oh my God, this is bad. Then I went to the doctors and they give me like anxiety medication.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

But that made me feel so much worse.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Really?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. Because when you take. I didn't realize when you take something like an antidepressant or an anti anxiety med, it actually makes you feel worse.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Before you feel better.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Wow.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. So a lot of people that take it, you think you're gonna wake up and feel like amazing and skipping. But it takes a long time for you to.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It takes a couple weeks to even work and it. Do you remember what they gave you?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Sertraline.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Sertraline.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So they gave me Sertraline. Yeah. And. Cause my mum was like. Cause I was so low. I couldn't believe how bad heartache felt.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I was like, I'd rather break my arm. Cause it's so painful. You're like, how am I gonna go on? How will I ever love again? It was so painful. Cause the other side. I loved him so much. But now looking back, I'm like, I definitely didn't.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And you went on these antidepressants to help you through them.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

How long did you stay on them for?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I think I was on them for like a good year. A good year. I was on for. Yeah. And I did feel better, to be fair. You just feel a bit lighter.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Because I know people in my family that have had to. They've Gone through a little bit of troubles. And I've said to them, like, if you can have things to help you, like, help yourself. And, you know, and it has completely changed and transformed their lives. And it really did help me. But then what I'd done was I was on them and then just stopped.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Taking them and then make you feel really crap. Like you have to wean yourself off them. Like, y' all just woke up one day and was like, yeah, I'm fine. I'm happy. And then I had, like, a month of just feeling really sick and disgusted.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And. Yeah, but I do think I'm really glad I did it because it did really get me out of that. Just that not wanting to leave the house and feeling really rubbish, not wanting to go to work. You know, that whole tunnel of, like, just sobbing, listening to Adele over and over, you know?

[Interviewer (James English)]

But you had this struggling with your confidence, but then you decided to go and do Love on.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah, I know.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Because that feels like a juxtaposition. That feels like something that, like, counters each other because you're going, you're exposing. You're putting yourself on screen, which is typically all about the way that you look. Because the first kind of scene is like, am I gonna date that person? Am I gonna date that person? And so normally, someone with lacking confidence wouldn't go and do that.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

No, I know, but I wasn't. Love island was never really meant to happen. So before Love Island, I basically. My dad did Celebrity Juice, and we knew a producer there called Lizzie.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Great. Yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And she basically said that there was a show on in. Going on in the January called Survival of the Fittest. And I was like, it's a new show, new format. Boys against girls. Like challenges, you know, that sort of stuff. Now realizing it was a bit of a love show, but it was more like boys against girls. Who's the fittest? Right. So I was like, do you want to do it? Blah, blah, blah. Come for. Come and have a little meeting. And I was like, yeah, that sounds pretty fun. Like, why not? So, obviously, went for the meetings, went to South Africa, and then ended up doing the show. However, the show didn't go great because.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Within 24 hours, I dislocated my shoulder.

[Interviewer (James English)]

This is like a common theme.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

24 hours. I don't know why. I don't know why this has happened to me.

[Interviewer (James English)]

These injuries.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

This is hell. So within 24 hours.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And it was really annoying because that week. Remember the book the Secret? Yeah, I read the book the Secret, and I was, like, looking at the Mountains and finding myself.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It's all about manifesting, all about you. If you speak it, you. It can happen.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, right. So, yeah, dislocating my shoulder of 24 hours. And then I remember being in the hotel room. But it's the same producers of Love island and Lewis come and sat with me and I adore Lewis. And he was like, oh, it's fine, we've got Love island in the summer. And I was like, I am not doing Love Island, Lewis.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

He was like, yeah, I'm gonna sling by now. He's like, we're gonna get you on Love Island. And I was like, not gonna happen.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And got to say, April.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And he contacted me again, Lewis, and was like, come and meet me. Come and meet me for a little bit of lunch and stuff, like. So I met him and he was like, what? Come on, why don't you want to come on Love Island? And I was like, because my date in history is a disaster. And I was on and off of someone at this point as well. Very on and off for like a year, Just toxic.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And this is this fire that we.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Thought this is the fire we wanted. And then he was like, but what have you got to lose? Like, just have a go. Spoke to my mum. My mum was like, oh, yeah, go on Love Island. What else are you gonna do this summer?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

What else are you gonna do?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Like, my mum was all for it. Me nan went, oh, they've got their water bottles.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And they, oh, get us the waters.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I mean, my mum and nan were.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Very like, go and do it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I just thought, why not? Why not? Because I sort of left my dental nursing job at this point and I was working in a pub and I was a bit just lost. I didn't really know what I was doing. I got to a certain. I was 21 and I just didn't know. Tricky age, tricky age. And I just didn't really know where I fit or what I wanted to do really. So I thought, well, why not? Then, like, let's have a go. And then there we go. We entered the Love island villa.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Did you enjoy it?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Loved it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I loved.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Was amazing. Your. That series was incredible.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Oh, it was so great.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And people, they still are, but they fell in love with you immediately.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Oh, j.

[Interviewer (James English)]

They did, though, Because I think it's because, like, speaking to you now, it's so authentic and so real and people go on shows like that. There's an element of playing up to the cameras and I don't think you can really play up to the cameras. I think you have to be yourself.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. And I think, like, Love island was we Series five. I don't even know what series we were.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I can't remember.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

It was quite early on.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Series four.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Series four, we was quite early on. So, like, Love Island, I think the year before, you know, when, like, Olivia and Amber, that series came, then it got kind of big, didn't it? And then our year after obviously got bigger, but obviously we didn't know because we was just in the villa. You know what I mean? And when you're in there, I know you have cameras, but you're so easy to forget about the cameras, like. And we all just. We had a great grope. We all really got on real quickly, you know, it was.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

We had a laugh together.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But when you come out and you experience that fame, is it the fame that excites you? Or you were just like, no, this is what. I've seen this before.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I don't really think I knew what I was doing because even just before I went into the villa, my dad obviously was fuming about it. He didn't want me to do it. Was he really? Yeah, he was very anxious.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What was the conversation you had with your dad about it?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Well, I only really told him a week before that. I was. When I was going on, and he literally. We sat there and we was having. I remember the dinner. It was me. Me, my nan was there, my dad was there, and it'd been kind of leaked to the press. And I am out of order. Cause I just didn't want to tell him. And then I was like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna do Love island then. And he put his fork, the knife down, and he went outside and had a fag. And then my nan went, oh, he took that.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Well, then, like that.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And he did not speak to me.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Until literally the day I went. Was going to the villa, my dad put the suitcases in the car and he went, see you in a couple of weeks. Stole bucket.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

He was fuming with me because he's like, it's a love show. You know what I mean? You can potentially be having sex on the tv. And he knew that my. Again, dating history was a disaster. I was like, oh, you're gonna have a terrible time in there.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

You're gonna have an absolute terrible time.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It was a protective thing.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. He was worried about me. He was really worried about me. And I get it now.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I do totally get it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Because if one of my twins wanted.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

To do it, I'd probably be a bit like, oh, are you sure? So I do get it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Whereas my mum was like, oh, she's all right. She's in Spain. She's gonna have a great time.

[Interviewer (James English)]

So would you let your kids do it? Honestly, they said, yeah, I want to go. You've done it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I want them to do whatever they want to do, but I. I feel like now it's a little bit harder. I don't know how it's going to be like social media and all that by the time they're older, so if they can, like, handle it. You know what I mean? I don't know. Yeah, but. But we didn't have tick tock and all that, so when we kind of left, social media was a thing. But, like, social media really is a thing now, so I just don't know.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Do people have sex in the video? They do, yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

People have sex. I used to go sleep. I used to sleep so well in there.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, really well.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I used to put my eye mask on and be gone. But, yeah, people are having a great time and good on them.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Why not? I just knew if I would have had sex in there, then I would have literally had my bags at the door, honey, to go, I need a home. But, yeah, I used to, like, be like, oh, have a good time.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Really?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Because you dated. You dated Jack Finchen, right?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yes, I did. I did.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And I imagine he was probably like, everyone else is doing this. Yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

You know what? He was understanding. I think. I think he. He totally got it like that. I was just like. It's just. I just don't want to. I didn't have a problem with anyone else doing it, but just for my personal reasons, I was just like, my nan's watching this, and it's something you can't change. I don't. Once you've done.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Once that's. Once that's happened. Sex, Sex. I'm very liberal, whatever. But it's one of those things that, you know, once you do that.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I suppose, yeah. And it was like, as soon as you'd start kissing in bed, you'd hear the camera go.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Really?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Because sometimes you just wanna have a little kiss. And then they'd call you up to.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, the room the next day, the.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Beach out, and then be like, what happened last night, Daniel? I was like, I was just having a snog.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I weren't doing anything wrong. And I was like, Well, I was like, I was. Wasn't doing anything. Like, answer me, what was you doing? But literally, because of course, when you're.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

In a relationship, that's the Course you do when you fancy someone. You know what I mean?

[Interviewer (James English)]

But then you come out and there was like a spotlight on your relationship. And that's hard. What does that feel like?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

It was because your relationship is so fast. It's like, it's speed in there. Like, obviously we was in that eight weeks and you are, like in love with one another. You are obsessed. And then when you come up, people are like, are you getting engaged? Are you moving in together? Are you having babies? So I think you feel like you need to, like, rush and do all that to all of. Do all of that instantly. And obviously, like, as soon as we come out, we're like, looking for flats. So it was very. It's very, very quick. And in a normal relationship you would not do that.

[Interviewer (James English)]

No.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Do you know what I mean? So it was very. And I remember we would. You go on, like, you know, your morning slots and do interviews and things. Like you become a little bit of a pr. You know what I mean? Instantly. When really you need to just come out and get to know one another, but you don't do that.

[Interviewer (James English)]

That's really hard to deal with. Yeah, that's a lot to deal with. So how do you even, like, manage all of that?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I don't think. Well, I mean, that's why we probably didn't work, because it was just so quick. Like, honestly, when I was in that villa, I always say about it, I genuinely thought, I've met the one. Like, I've actually met him.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Woohoo.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Like, Jack was so lovely in that villa. Like, we bonded instantly. Like that first week of being in love. And I found it really hard. Cause I remember I was in there and you've got to talk about how you feel when you're in bed with someone. And he was really good at comforting me and be like, it's okay, Dan. Like, it's chill. Like, wow. Take it as it. Take it as it comes. And you know what I mean? I found the adjustment and I miss my family, so I found them first two weeks really difficult. But he was really good for me in there. Do you know what I mean? He never led us.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, Jared's like, you played it safe. I'm like, I didn't play it safe, actually. I really liked him. So I did. I genuinely, really did.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So, yeah. Then just when we come out, it was just.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But then there's pressure.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Spotlight.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And there's pressure right there.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Pressure.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Because I suppose when you do a show like Love island and then you come out and then you're Seen as this couple, there's a pressure to kind.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Of be a good couple.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And being. Being young and being in the industry, you're thinking, well, if we aren't this couple, then what are we?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And that means everything's gonna go.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

So we might. And a lot of people just stay together because they think that's what people want.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yes.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yes.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And I think as well for us, people really loved us. And Jack was very insecure as well. And I know it's a weird thing to say, but I used to think, why do they love. What do they love us for? What have we done? And then you start thinking, like, you need to change yourself a little bit because you're like, people love you. And then you're scared that you're going to do something wrong. And like, I can't explain what I mean, but you become a little bit.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Like, become a character of yourself. Yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And you panic, don't you? Like, just in case you meet someone and then they're not what you thought they thought you were or, you know, it becomes a little bit like that for a little while because all of a sudden you go from being no 1 and then you're out and people know you and it's scary. It's quite daunting.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What is? It sounds really odd, but you basically, because I've experienced it, you.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

You.

[Interviewer (James English)]

You basically become like a. Like a heightened up version of yourself.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yes.

[Interviewer (James English)]

So in my case, everyone used to say, oh, you're really energetic. Energetic and funny.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

So everywhere I went, I had to do that.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yes.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And if I wasn't doing that, I was worried people were going to think about it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Be let down.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah, yeah, be let down. And then I didn't really know how to act any anytime because I was like, I always have to be this upbeat and if I was silent or quiet or whatever. Oh, then that's not who he is.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yes. Yes.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And so I imagine what. That's exactly what happened with you.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Well, you had to be that. Oh, Danny, this really nice, kind, lovely person. Wherever you went, you had to just be the same person the whole time.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. And I was just so worried, like what you said, just about letting people down. And I think in our relationship we were just. I think when we come off Love Island, I think you realize you're just very different. You're very, very different.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What do you mean?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I think we both just wanted completely different things. Like in our. What. What I wanted, I've always. I always thought in my head, like, I mean, I was only 21. So I'm so young, I was so young, do you know what I mean? But like, I. I like, you know, my boyfriend coming home and cooking dinners and watching films together. And when I'm in a relationship, I'm in a relationship, you know, I really like that like tight unit thing. And I think Jack was just on a completely different page to what he.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Was suddenly famous and he's young and he's good looking.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Good looking, wants to go out and I don't blame him for that, do you know what I mean? So he just wasn't compatible on the outside world, which was a shame because when we was in the villa, you are so compatible. But I think you can be compatible with anyone in a villa because there's no outside noise, is there? It's just. And when people say that they're in that villa, they're faking it. You cannot fake it in there because you are together 24 hours a day. So, you know, like, if you don't fancy someone, you're around them, they become quite irritating, don't they? So all of us, us, like as far as we got, we all just.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Loved each other so much. It's.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

It's intense. But I don't know if that's real. I don't know.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Can I ask you a big question?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

You know, with all reality shows and I've experienced it, what happens is there feels that, you know, especially with Love island, there's a lot of mental health that comes out of it and you know, we. The awful statistics. Some people have been on the show.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Right.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Why do you think that happens?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I think it's because when you can come off a show like Love island, you are so big and then all of a sudden people can just forget about you. I think you are. And I think it can be really hard for people, do you know what I mean? Like mentally and like everyone knows you and everyone. People don't really sympathize as well, you know, like the industry we're in, a.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Lot of people hate us, do you.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Know what I mean? You do get a lot of crap talent list, this and that, you know, people just like to. People just like to be mean. So I don't know if, if you are having a real low moment and you've got people attacking you and the press are on you and you having a bit of a wobble in life and it's so advertised, then you just feel like there's no way out, do you know what I mean? Because we all make mistakes in life we all do things, but when it's advertised and you've got everyone having an opinion on you, I think that's when you can just completely do the wrong turn. You know what I mean? Like, Caroline breaks my heart because obviously Caroline was our host and I loved Ca line. She always had the sweetest soul. Like, she was amazing. And I remember she was going through a little bit of. She, I think she split up with her partner at the time. And I remember she was in the villa and she was really, really sad about it. But the way she could turn on being a host, I've never not like, she was fantastic.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Wow. So you could see her being sad.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

She would be sad and she'd have her makeup artist like sorting her face out and doing all of her hair and she'd be really sad and then the lights would come on and she would, would perform and I was like, wow. But Caroline was like again, wore a heart on her sleeve and she loved Love Island. Like Caroline loved that show so, so much. So, yeah. That was just the worst thing ever. What happened to Caroline?

[Interviewer (James English)]

When did you suddenly realize that your dad was famous?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I would say probably when I started my, my new school, when I moved to Essex because everyone in London, they just. No one really battered an eyelid. Like, no one really batting an eyelid. And then when I started that new school, then it started being like the whole daddy dies your dad thing. And I was like, oh, is he like. Because he doesn't act like that. We. You'd come home and that was it, do you know what I mean? Like, I knew he was starting to get a little bit more bigger because the house we lived in, he'd come home with the biggest sofas and the biggest tellies.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

We're living in this tiny little house. That's my dad.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

He always needs the biggest of everything, you know what I mean?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

The biggest lamb and my mum in the end.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And where are you living? You living in a small apartment?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, we had a small little two bedroom house in Custom House and so that's where we lived. We lived like my nan was the.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Other side of the road. There was a school in the middle.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

My nan was there and then we.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Was on the other. We loved that house.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So my mum's.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I wish I kept that house. We loved it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And then obviously he got like, was doing more stuff and all that. And then that's when we moved to Essex. So I think that's when I started understand it more because it was mentioned to me more. But I Didn't understand why it was being mentioned.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Is that exciting or not exciting? Are you embarrassed or what is it?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, because I was a bit like.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Why does it matter?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

You know what I mean? It's just me dad, like, wow, he's just my dad, isn't he? You know, like people have their dads and their mums. I looked at my dad as just my dad, not as an actor, you know.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah. Because that's interesting. Because fame was so attractive. Because I used to watch people on television and think, oh my God, they had the funnest time where it's exciting or this and that. But you saw it within your dad and you were just like, why does everyone even care about that?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

That's just. My dad would stop completely. Just didn't. Yeah, it was just like, can we stop talking about like, I get it. Like, because he's just not like that. He's the most simple man, loves an antique shop, you know, he's so simple. So for me, when people were on and on and on about it, it was just like, we just shut up about it. And sometimes the girls would be like, oh, your dad's wealthy. And I didn't know how to respond to that.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I'm not gonna go, yeah, or no, he isn't. Like, what do I say? Whatever I say is going to be wrong here. You know.

[Interviewer (James English)]

You'Re. I heard in a. You wrote a letter to your dad once, didn't you? Or you said to your dad, I think your dad, your dad went through a tricky time.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yes, yes.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And. And I think he's spoken about it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Right.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And like, you know, he, I, I listened to him on a podcast where he basically said, you know, he went through a tookie time and you know, alcohol and drugs and all these things happened. And you rewrote a letter to him when he was in rehab.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. Cause he went rehab twice. And the first time he went, I think he was trading cream eggs with diatipan. So there was a woman in there obviously that was in there for overeating. Cause it was for every single thing. Overeating. And obviously his was for drug addiction and he was trading things with her. So he'd give her a cream egg, she'd give her give him something. So it's never gonn. I think he come home for a week and was like, fine and then back to normal. And I mean, he always very open about it. But then I think.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Was he open about with you as a family as well?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Not at that time with me, like my mum and dad kept it. Sort of knew my dad was going away, but I don't know if they just didn't really want to.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It's quite hard to articulate. Right.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

How do they explain to me what's going on?

[Interviewer (James English)]

And you're how old at this time?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I don't know how old I was. I was still in school.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Wow.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So I was still in secondary school. Hadn't left then. But then the second time he went in, I knew it was serious, like, because that's like, he was like. We always say if he didn't go rehabsent, he probably wouldn't be here now because he was terrible. Absolutely terrible. And obviously he always says, like, EastEnders did save him in a sense, because he was in. I think he was in such a dark place of himself and he couldn't get out of that. And then you rely on drink and drugs and then obviously, you know, he was going to EastEnders and, you know, for him, he knew he, he had to, like, sort himself out. Like, I think he said he woke up one morning, he was just like, this is it now. Like, I've got. I've gotta do something for myself. And it's the best thing you'd ever done.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I. I have very close people to me who have struggle with addiction.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And without a doubt, it's a disease.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Oh, it is. It's the worst thing ever.

[Interviewer (James English)]

The most upsetting thing in the world. It takes over your. Takes over your brain.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Absolutely.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And to watch people go through it and not understand it, it's really hard. And you just want them to get better and you want them to help themselves.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And you don't know what to say to them.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

No.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Or you don't know what to do and you almost want to shake them. Come on, what are you doing? Life is this. What's going on here?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And I think it was hard for my mum as well, because obviously my mum has always been the, like, force in the house. She's the most strongest woman I know, my mum. I think my mum, she's trying to look after us. But obviously now looking at. She was going through the hardest time of her life. You know what I mean? Like her husband, you know, is in a really bad, bad way, but she's trying to keep everything really strong and tight knit in the house. So, yeah, my dad blessed him, he. He went for a terror. It was really hard.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I don't want to. I just want to say because. And also what we talk about, it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Wasn'T so much drink though, it was just more.

[Interviewer (James English)]

No it's just the chaos.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, the chaos of it all. And he was around the wrong people, my dad. So the first time he come out and then he meets up with all the mates that he shouldn't be mates with. You know what I mean? And then the second time he had to cut, I'd say 70% of people out of his life.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What does it make you feel? Because normally what happens is, Dan, is that we talk about. We always talk about the addict or the person who's going through it. And a lot of the time we don't talk about the stories of the people who were the ones at home.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Or the family or the friends. And especially as a daughter, you know. And what does that do to you, do you think?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

It was so hard. It was really hard. Because obviously I love my dad. I've always been like a bit of a daddy's girl, you know what I mean? So when he'd ring me, it'd be really hard. Cause you'd want to cry. But then you also want to be really strong, like when they're ringing you and they give. Cause I think he could rung us, like, he could ring us like once a week. And then you'd have a little bit of a chat with him. And then you could just see like the progression of him, which was amazing because your family like your world, you know what I mean? And we was worried about him. We was worried about him. And then when he sort of come out, you don't want to do anything to upset him and you want him to. I wanted to just bubble wrap him. Cause I didn't want him to leave the outside world and then go down that terrible route again. And I think my mum was like. The second time was the time that he really had to like, up his game because obviously. And he did like the AA meetings and all that sort of stuff. But I think for him, like the first time he had a go, but the second time, I think he knew that there was no way back, he had to stick to it. And obviously you really think he wouldn't be here. Yeah, I think you do your 20% say in rehab, but it's 80 at home. Because as soon as you're in a bubble and then as soon as you come out, you've got numbers you can ring or people you can meet. So for him, his massive thing was being at home, I think. And he stayed at home. I mean, he's a hermit anyway. He loves being at home. But yeah, that's when he really. But he Says now he. He's in such a good place with himself, so he'd be an idiot to ever want to go down that route again. You know what I mean?

[Interviewer (James English)]

What was the letter you wrote him?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

See, the thing is, we spoke about this letter recently, me and my dad. And I say I must have been numb because I don't remember anything I wrote in that letter. Cause he spoke to me about the letter and he was like, do you not remember it? I was like, I don't remember a thing that I put. And he really remembers it. Wow. I just don't know. Cause I remember my mum was telling me to write letters. Cause you had to do that. But I don't remember anything. And I don't know if that's really bad that I don't remember a thing.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Of someone very close to me. I had to write them a letter.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

When they were in rehab.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And I can't remember what I wrote.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I just. It's really hard, you know, when you're like.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Maybe you're in pain and everything you write floods out, and then it's like a. You close it and then never want to reopen it again. I don't know if it's that. Like my brain's just blocked that out, but I don't, because we recently spoke about the letter and I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, the letter.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Do you think you shut it out?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Maybe? Because, I mean, it was long time ago now, 12 years ago, but. Yeah, but I knew that letter meant a lot to him because he's. He likes letters. He likes his cards on Father's Day, and he likes.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Do you know what's amazing about you is that I can sort of see it in your whole demeanor. How old are you when you're going through? You must have been pretty young, right? So maybe.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. 15, 16.

[Interviewer (James English)]

15, 16. Okay. So you're living your own life. You're out, you're having boyfriends, you to. You wanting to drink in the park, having fun, you want to focus on boys, all these different things. But yet you have the mentality to realize that you want to cry, which most kids would do.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But you also have to stay strong.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And you have this sort of maturity to understand that that's really unique. Like, no one would. No one. I don't think I would be doing that. I'd be crying. What the hell's wrong with you? I'm so upset. Like, look. But you knew you had to be strong for your dad.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, I wanted to be, but I Think my mum is very strong, so I don't know if I get that trait from her.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But you took on a parenting role.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, and I want it as well. Cause my mum, she. She's amazing, my mum. She's nutty, we call.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

She's, like, literally nuts. But we love her. There's only one Jo, we say. But, yeah, yeah, there's only one Jo. But, yeah, she's.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

She's great. She always holds the fault. We say in my mum, like, she holds the house together.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What's the best thing about your mum?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

She's charming and she's very fun. You know what? My mum, if something has gone wrong, she will always make you laugh about it, like, so she's always got the little twist. Like, if I ring her up, they're.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, this is wrong, or blah, blah, blah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

She's always like, come on, like. And she'll make me laugh.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Whereas my dad, I'd ring and he'd go, come, give me a cuddle. And I will have a cuddle about it, you know?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So, yeah, she's very witty.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What's your relationship like with alcohol?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I'm not really a big drinker, really. But, like, when I go out with the girls.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Okay.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Oh, yeah, we're having a good time.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What are we drinking?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I like a little gin and tonic.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I'm scarred.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Sorry, Calling me.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I like. I like. And it has to be in the right glass.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I'm sorry. You know, when you get a hot glass.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Okay.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Give it to you.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Describe it to you. What is it?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I like the ones that are like. Oh, you like the big round one? Yeah, I like a big round one.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Loads of ice, some limes, some cucumbers, and I don't like pink gin. I want a little bit. What is it?

[Interviewer (James English)]

Hendrix.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Hendrix, you like that one? I like a bit of Hendrix, yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Bit of tonic. Slim line.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

We're feeling good that night. And I do like a little tequila sometimes.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Oh, yeah, you can't go wrong.

[Interviewer (James English)]

A shot.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Shot a tequila, yeah. Yeah, we're having a good time.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I. As soon as I start ordering espresso martinis.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Oh, yeah. But then I'll be up all night.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I know why this mad coffee before I go to bed.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I would never, ever do that, ever.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Talk about your confidence and how you lacked. Your Lack confidence. And then, you know, being worried about being called a Nepo baby, which I totally understand.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Which is.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Which I often think is really unfair and hard because you're born into a family where someone has a certain name and then you're expected to just be like, well, I mean, sorry, what am.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I supposed to do here? Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And. And doubling down on that, you had the same name as your dad.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

He always says that if he would.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Have known I would have followed in.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

His footsteps, he wouldn't have called me.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Danny because my name was Charlotte for a while and it was Rosie. But then for some reason it spun back to Danny.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

So it is. And it's funny as well because when people now on tv, they'll say, Danny died. I have to go, oh, no. The little everyone gets themselves in a pin for like.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Because I would Dani da Senior. I didn't know what to say, Daddy.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Duh.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Senior.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

The senior got a bit rich and they don't know what to do.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And like little Danny Dan.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

We could say Big Dan and little Dan. That's what we do now.

[Interviewer (James English)]

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[Interviewer (James English)]

So you break up with Jack.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yes.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And then you have your son.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yes.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Santiago.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Little Santa. Oh, he's lovely. He's so naughty, though. He's really got me wrapped around his head.

[Interviewer (James English)]

How old is he?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

He's five in January.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Really?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And he loves to cuddle me. But he also loves to wind me up. Oh, yeah. Very cheeky.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And this was with your partner who was before Love island, the one that was just hell.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

So realistically, when I.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

It's really. I always speak openly before Love Island. He never really wanted to settle down with me. He was a massive player. Just massive. And then when I come off Love island and obviously me and Jack split up, we sort of reunited again. And realistically, that should have not been like, I shouldn't have gone back there. You know what I mean?

[Interviewer (James English)]

Why did you go back? Because people talking again. The advice is that I want to give the advice. So Lucy or another Danny or Tom are sitting there thinking, okay, I'm in the same situation. There's someone who I let go, but now they're knocking on the door, should I go back to them? Shouldn't I go back to them? I'm confused. What do I do?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I mean, I think it depends what situation you're in. Because some people go back to their exes and it is the most successful relationship. Do you know what I mean? Like, and it really works for them. But I think, like my friend said, I think I went back there because he was someone that I know and someone that you wanted.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Familiarity.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, that familiarity of like. And I mean, you just. I was again, at 21 and I was a bit like, oh, that didn't work out with Jack. So kind of know him. Like, it's not. We'll probably just have a bit of fun or. Do you know what I mean? It's not going to be anything. And obviously I don't regret anything. I don't. I always say now, like, I never regret anything. Because I think every decision you make, good or bad, lead you to the path you're meant to go on. And having Santi changed me as a person massively. So I'm so glad I had my Sant. So I think I had to go through a kind of tricky relationship to get my little boy to change me, to move forward. Wow. That's how I look at that relationship now. Because it. God, it changed me. It really did.

[Interviewer (James English)]

How did it change you?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Because I think I was always looking for the fire. I never really looked at my future. I was always very present. And I would do things that my friends was always like. You never really think about.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like my best friend Kaylee, she'd, like. I think I drove her mad. Cause she was always so sensible.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And then I was the naughty little mate.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Do you know what I mean?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

She's the sensible one, always in relationships.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And I'd ring her up and go, okay, look what I've done. Now.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And do you know what I mean? She needed a bit of that, though. So I think when I got went back to that relationship, I think I was just still going through that kind of. And, I mean, I was thinking, who am I?

[Interviewer (James English)]

What am I?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

What am I doing?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And I didn't really think. But, yeah, I think it changed me because I kind of really. Once I had Santa, I was like, right, I'm an adult now and I've.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Got to look after a child.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So all these stupid little things that I'm doing and being like, just not. I can't explain what I mean, but I just think I never really thought about anything. So when I had my little boy, I was like, every decision I make is for my little boy now, and I want to give him the best future ever. Wow. I can't be giving him a toxic environment.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Were you maybe. Did you plan Santi?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

No. No, I don't. Because just before. Just before Santi, I got pregnant and then that didn't work out. And then I got pregnant. Literally. I think so. The first. Right. So before I got pregnant with Santi, I got pregnant and then that didn't work out. But then I wanted a baby then, because that didn't work out. Wow. Because I was like, well, I want a baby.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

So this month, I'm gonna be not careful.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Do you know what I mean? Because I. Because it didn't work out. Because I think that happens with people. They either really want to have a baby or then they don't want to have a baby for a little while. And I think for me, I was like, no, I'm having a baby. And my mum and dad were fuming at the time, so I think we kind of.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What did they say? How did. So you.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, you.

[Interviewer (James English)]

You full pregnant?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I reckon you tell your mum first.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

You always tell your mum.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

You always tell your mum. I think.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I think I always.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

As soon as I get the line on my pregnancy test, they're like, you ring your mum or your best friend. Do you know what I mean? Like, straight away, like, the wee still with the toilet, you're like, mom, Sophie.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Honestly showed it to me. And I was like, oh, my God. And then on the phone, and I was like, whoa. Is this like. I thought we're meant to wet.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, that was the best feeling ever.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It's an amazing feeling, but. So you then phoned your mum, nervous to tell your mum?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, I was nervous to tell my mum. And to be honest, they were so. They was happy for me with the baby, like, they were so happy that I was. They knew kind of what I went through. Do you know what I mean? So there was, like. When obviously I got pregnant with Santi, they was, like, happy for me for that, but they was.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Obviously.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

They knew that relationship that I was in was never gonna work. So I think for them, they was, like, knowing that, right, she's gonna have this baby, but she's probably not gonna be with this person. And they obviously didn't want that for me. And I get it now, because now I'm a parent. I totally get it. And I've said sorry to him so many times.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I'm like, I'm so sorry what I put you through.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. You know, like, you know, you're a teenager, and you're really mean to them.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And I look back and I'm like.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

God, I've got so much karma coming.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

But, yeah, I just feel like I.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I get what they were saying now, because I was like, you're not gonna. You're probably not gonna be with him. Why are you having a baby? So stupid.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Do you know what a baby does? It locks.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. Like, what are you doing? And I was like, I'm fine. I'm fine. I can do what I want, and all that sort of stuff. So I think we had a little bit of that then. Obviously, as we progressed, I was. They were so happy because that was their little grandson or granddaughter. You know what I mean? So they ended up putting their emotions at bay and then just sort of getting me through my pregnancy.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Can I. The. The pregnancy before, was it a miscarriage?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, it was a miscarriage, but it was. It was. It was a very early miscarriage. But I think it just. When I got pregnant again, I mean, I don't know how many scans I had. I was up there all the time. I was literally knocking at the door.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, can you check again? Can you check again? They're like, daddy, come on.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I'd have a portfolio of Santi.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Honestly, you weren't even born, and he's got a whole. Literally, I just thought, I need to see him one more time.

[Interviewer (James English)]

No one talks about that. No one talks about the anxiety that you feel, because all you want to have is a healthy, happy baby. Everything else is a bonus.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Absolutely.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And it's so scary.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Pregnancy is so scary.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

So scary.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Because it is like you're looking. You're growing a baby. Like, it's a miracle in a sense, isn't it? Like, looking after them and making sure you're doing the right things and don't Eat this, don't eat that. It was scary for me.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What's your relationship like with Santi's dad now?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I would say we're very civil. And I will always be really civil to him because obviously, that's Santi's dad. Do you know what I mean? Like, there's gotta be times, you know, with Santi in school plays and his birthdays, and I would never want Santi to feel uncomfortable. Like, Santi's never gonna know his mum and dad being together, which I kind of. I actually prefer that more because he's never gonna know what he's missing in that sense. Because you always feel guilty. I always, always. I always feel so. Because, you know, like, when Jared walks through the door and the twins are like, daddy, Daddy. I fear that Santi is. He. Does he feel. I know he doesn't. Cause he's four. But, like, does he feel that that's not his daddy? I always have them feelings. But it's good because one of my.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Twins, Santi, calls Jared jj. And Summer keeps calling Jared jj. He's calling him jj. I'm like, that's Daddy. So, yeah, I do.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I always feel guilty for Santi, and I probably do overcompensate with Santi a little bit. Like, I molly coddle him a lot because I'm like, it's me and Santi against the world. Because I think there was a time where it was me and him against the world and we was on our own together.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

So I just.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

You know, if Stanley goes, I'm going to.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But, Danny, the. You know, it's. It's also. It's a little bit like your own relationship with your mum.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

In a little bit. And, you know, especially if you're. You know, your dad maybe was coming on the Friday, but it was like you and your mum.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It's like we're against the world.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And that's an amazing thing. But your. Your ex partner went to prison, right?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

He did. And that was a really hard time, I think, for me as well. Like, we sort of got together and it was like.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It's a lot.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

It was a lot. Do you know what I mean? And you know what it is as well? I think for me, I never really thought about what he was doing or. I don't know. I don't know. Was I a little bit naive? I don't know. I just wasn't really ever paying attention when I should have. And.

[Interviewer (James English)]

No, you shouldn't, by the way. Take no accountability.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

It was a hard time because I think. I think for me, you're young and you're.

[Interviewer (James English)]

You're.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

You don't think. Do you know what I mean?

[Interviewer (James English)]

You're pregnant, looking up a kid.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And I think for me as well, then obviously going through the pregnancy, and then it was all leaked to the press, and then people really were hating on me. Like, they were. The stuff I was getting, and I never really. Then when he went to prison, obviously everyone sort of blamed me. And I was a bit. Like, I felt like I'd done the crime. Like, I genuinely felt like I had done it and committed it. Cause people, you know, the press were accusing me, and there was a lot. A lot going on. And I remember sitting there, and I was like, I don't know how to comment on this. I don't know what to say, because anything I say is gonna be manipulated or twisted. And I just loved the wrong person. Do you know what I mean? And I didn't want to ever say anything that was gonna. Santi was gonna see when he was older or I didn't want to go on YouTube and start crying. It's just not my. I just didn't know what to do. So I just stayed silent. And I stayed silent about it for years. I didn't speak about it for a very long time. Like, I think only the past year now that I can actually speak about it. Yeah. Because I just didn't want to speak about it.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It was so worried what people are going to say. You don't bring all those comments again and everything.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And I totally get it. Like, I totally get it. And I now and again now get the odd comment. But, I mean.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But you know what? It's not your decision.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, it wasn't my.

[Interviewer (James English)]

But you do know that.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, No, I know. Okay, good. Yeah. But I think it's. When you get with someone, people just automatically think that you're, like, condoning that you're accepting it and, you know, you're with it. And I think for me, it was like, I just really loved the wrong person and just didn't really think about what he was doing. Do you know what I mean? Because I loved him. And I was like, you know, when you.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

The person is so wrong for you, but you're like, no, but I want.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

To be with him.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I want to prove everyone wrong.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And you see the best.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

My friends wrong. Prove my family wrong.

[Interviewer (James English)]

100. And when you were in that. In love, you're blinded by everything.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And I was. I totally agree that love is blind in that sense. I think him Going to prison was, like, the worst time of my life, but the best time of my life. And the fact that I was like. Like, this is my time now. I had my little boy and I was like this because he went.

[Interviewer (James English)]

He went away for. He went away for scamming people, right?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yes.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And did you ever visit him in prison?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

No.

[Interviewer (James English)]

You didn't?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

No. I never ever wanted to. I think for me, because we was never right for one another. And as soon as I had Santi, I knew what love was. I had my little boy and I was like, I love this little boy so much. And I. It's really weird. It was like a switch for me. Me.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Really?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. It was like a switch. And I was like, he's my baby. And no. So I never. I never went and visited him at all.

[Interviewer (James English)]

The strength of a mother. You become a lioness.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah, you are. I've been looking after your little cubs.

[Interviewer (James English)]

You know what I mean?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And that's how I was.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Do you know what's been really brave about you as well, Danny, is that you've spoken about the loneliness, the anxiety, the emotions that you feel during pregnancy and after pregnancy.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And you did a documentary about it.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I did. What.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What emotions did you feel?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I think it's not really spoke. I mean, I think. I think it's got a lot better now. I think women are speaking about anxiety and loneliness. You know, I think women are now, because I don't think women support women. I think a lot of women like to attack women. If a woman is moaning or they're a little bit down or a little bit lost, you know, and they. And they speak about it, they always get someone coming, stop moaning, stop complaining. You're lucky to have a baby. You do still get quite a lot of that. And I feel like women understand. Should understand women. We all have to have a period every month. We have moments when we feel a bit bloated. And the first time you're bloated, you notice a woman go, you look fat. There's still that whole concept of, like, women just don't like to support other women. And I think for me, when I did this documentary, I just really wanted like. Like, women to just sort of come together and sort of see their stories and be like, you know, not every pregnancy, you know, is successful. And you have this baby, and when you have a baby, you all of a sudden you're like, oh, my God, I have a baby.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

What do I do? Like, you get sent home with this baby and you've Got to look after the baby. And I'm like, my mum come and lived with me for a little while and she left and I was like, you've got to come back, Mum. You've got to come back.

[Interviewer (James English)]

You're a single parent.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. And my mum used to, like, come over and fill up my fridge and all that sort of stuff.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Because the dog you did is called Danida. Is this anxiety? Because it's. There's a difference between anxiety and loneliness. Yes, Anxiety for me and I don't know the same thing. It's like this heightened, like, adrenaline feeling where it's just so uncomfortable. But loneliness is one that no one really talks about because you're so isolated.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So isolated. Because you're sort of like living on a. It's really hard to, like, get out of the door and, like, you're sort of living on a clock, you know, feed times, changing times. And, you know, you do have that. And you haven't got that thing of, like, just being able to get up and go and your freedom goes, you know, like, if you think I'm just gonna get up and walk up to the shop or. And like, that postpartum thing of, like, you don't feel great in yourself because obviously, like, women will get it all differently. Like, some of my friends didn't get it. Some. I did like the baby blues. Like, you have. You have them weeks where you just cry over nothing. Like, literally your toast or burning. You're sobbing over the toast.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

But my mum was feeling low.

[Interviewer (James English)]

How really low you can get.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Because, like. But my mum. I remember the first four days. Is that when your milk comes in and then, like, your boobs. Sorry, James.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

You're gonna love the boobs.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I can't wait. The boobs.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

At the moment, the boobs are great.

[Interviewer (James English)]

The boobs in the butt. It's, like, believable. I don't get to go near it, but, like, there's no.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

That will come.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It does it.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

That will come. You've got.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I'm a born again virgin. But that's fine.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

What is it cel still.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I'm celibate now. Yeah, I'm celibate, so it's fine.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

But. Yeah, so when your milk.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

But my mum was good because she warned me. She's like, when your milk comes in.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

You just get really, really teary and.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Like, you cry over absolutely everything and anything. So I think you just. You just want to sit indoors a little bit more. You know what I mean? Like, you just don't feel like. Right. I Can get up and do things. So I think it's always really good to find a little community of mums. So you can find it hard to.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Talk about, or were you quite open, did you say, to other mums, to friends? Look, I'm feeling really down here. I'm feeling lonely, I'm feeling anxious.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I think I did because I had friends that had. I had my best friend Kaylee, who had a baby who was one year older. So she was always at my house and I was always at her. She like, come on, come to mine. So I was really lucky that I had her. And my mum was great. My mum, like, come and lived with me. And if I'd have a cry, she'd let me have a cry.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

But sometimes I'd be so embarrassed, I'd go in the toilet and cry. But when I had the twins, I had terrible baby blues. But some people do and some people don't.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

But I'm such an emotional person.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It's great to be emotional.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I would sit in the toilet and cry. I'd be. Because I didn't want anyone to see me.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I just need.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And then I'd feel so much better.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So that's why, like, when my friends now have babies, I really like to just give them a care package of.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, this is how you may feel. Or if you've had a C section or like, you do that.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I like to write a list of how they're potentially gonna feel. Because I want them to know it's normal.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Danny, that's sort of.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

No, because it's normal. I want them to know that it's okay.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Because when we had. You have a C section, you get really windy. And no one told me this, right?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, they fill your body up, obviously, with, like, gas. And then all of a sudden they, like, tell you to, like, fart and stuff. And I was like, I am not doing that. I've never done that in front of my boyfriend. I'm not doing it now. And then Jared had to leave the room.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

The woman said, danny, you really need to, like, release some gas. And I was like, I am not doing that. I was like, he's going home later. And then I'll do it.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And then you're like, on all bars, like, trying to get these gas out. You sound like, honestly, a brass band. It's insane. So I remember telling my friend that you're going. And she was like, dan, I really needed that advice.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Cause you don't think it's normal.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

You're an awfulsome.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Just letting it all out.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Because you get so. I'm glamorous the whole thing, isn't it, honestly. So I like them to know that this is how you could potentially feel.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

You might not feel like this, but if you do, it's like normal. I think it's so important to support your friends.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I love this. What advice would you give to someone who's about to be a parent?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I would say to enjoy that new bot, enjoy the newborn bubble as much as possible. Like, don't feel like you need to get out. You like. And also just sit in your pajamas, especially with your first baby. Yeah, like, sit in your pajamas, watch Netflix.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Like, don't try and do anything.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Don't try and do anything because housework, you've always got to have housework. Do you know what I mean? Go to cook and get them frozen meals as well. They're great. I do some little deals as well, little vouchers. I love a voucher, but. And also, like, reach out to people if you need help, but if you don't want visitors, don't have visitors, do you know what I mean?

[Interviewer (James English)]

Don't feel the pressure.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Don't feel the pressure. Just have the people your nearest and dearest around you, do you know what I mean? And just don't feel pressure to get up and get back on your feet again, you know what I mean? And avoid every. All the noise that do this, do that, do what you want to do.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And if someone is struggling and they don't, and when someone is struggling with the blues or anxiety or loneliness that you felt, it's quite hard to realize there's an end to it, because you don't really know if there's going to be an end.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

No, of course.

[Interviewer (James English)]

So what would you say to that.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Person, to speak to someone? I think, because sometimes people don't always have family and friends. So I feel like even if you go and like, speak to, like, say your doctor, because they can always advise you because you have to be careful that, that the baby blues doesn't turn into, like postnatal depression. Do you know what I mean? Because it can go down that route and you sometimes don't know if it is postnatal depression. So I do sometimes do think if you can't speak to a family member or some friends, then speak to them.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What is the difference? Just to educate me, what is the difference between baby blues and postnatal depression?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So I think post. I think postnatal depression, it just, I would say. I mean, I'm not an expert. Do you Know what I mean? But I think you depression, though, because baby blues can last a few weeks, like it does. It's not like a day thing. It can last a few weeks, a month, six weeks. But I think with postnatal depression, it just carries on, carries on. And then you just feel really, really low and like, you can't get out of that.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And having to look after your kids.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And having to look after a baby when you don't want to look after yourself, then you feel really like, we have mum guilt. Honestly, Mum guilt was the worst thing ever.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Explain that to me.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

You just feel guilty over everything. Like, it's like you go on a.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Night out and you feel bad for.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Leaving your child, but then you're at home and you want a night out.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And you feel bad that you want a night out. Cause you should want to just be with your child. You go to work, you feel bad, you're at home, but I want to work. It's like.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And then what happens with your partner is that you're annoyed at your partner for not feeling guilty because you're like, I'm feeling guilty. Why are you not feeling guilty about this as well?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Especially because, like, when we had the twins, me and Jared, he was like, I had to go back to football, like, pretty much straight away. He was in Australia, then he was in Prague. And it was really annoying because obviously I couldn't go.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I wanted to go and support him.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And I couldn't go.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And I was annoyed at myself. I was like, my twins are like two weeks old. I can't physically go.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So, yeah, you do have that. A little bit of their life carries on. And then you're, like, at home and you feel a bit like you're a bit wobbly, your boobs are leaking, you know, you saw a little bit unattractive for a while. You're farting everywhere.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Constipated, probably. But yeah, it's great that postpartum twins.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Compared to having one. Is it wild?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Because a lot of people say to me, like, oh, I found my second really easy. I'm like, I not find twins easy at all.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Because I just think, like, feeding, like, I mean, how on earth.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah, it was hell.

[Interviewer (James English)]

How.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

It was harder. I knew it was gonna be hard.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

But I thought, God, this is even harder than I even thought it was gonna be. It was brutal.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Best advice for the partner. Best advice for me to do during it to be. What do I need to do?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Just be patient, I would say, yeah, yeah, patient coffees, you know, and obviously, just ride the emotions. Because I think it's hard as well. Cause like you don't. It's hard, you know, that's how if you get a headache, you can understand what a headache feels like. But obviously you don't understand what postpartum feels like. So it can be hard for you to understand them emotions, do you know what I mean? But I think it's just be chill, let her feel how she wants to feel, but also do the night feeds and all.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Jane, I'm going to Jessie J said to me, she said, be warned, you might lose your mate for a bit.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And I was like, what do you mean? She goes, well, that she's your best mate and just for a bit she'll come back. But maybe for a bit it'll be just. She'll have a tough time at certain points. Just remember that. It was such good advice.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So true.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Because you start, you look at. Why look at Sophie. And I look at women and I firstly, I salute all women now having like seen whatever you do when you.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Become a dad as well.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Well. But patience is everything, honestly.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

You just have to ride the wave 100, you know what I mean? If she wants to cry, let her cry angry. It's just like not really retaliating, you know what I mean? Because you can be hot headed one minute and then loving the next. It's sort of accepting that a little bit. Stock up the fridge, do some night feeds, run her a nice bar, do.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

All of that rubber back.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I know this is the big thing.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Them sort of things, hot water bottles, everything. Just pure love and you. And it's really weird, you fall in love with your partner so much more. Like when they do all them things, like the nicest little cutie things, like just little twinkie things, like just getting her a nice coffee and you know what I mean?

[Interviewer (James English)]

You guys just got married.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

We did.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

That was lovely. Isn't it the best getting married? Isn't it the best day of your life?

[Interviewer (James English)]

It's the most. It's the best thing. Everyone roots for you. You get to have the most amazing time in front of your friends and family. It's like the most amazing thing in the world.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

It's like heaven, isn't it? Yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I felt like I died and went to heaven for a day.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

It was beautiful. I loved it.

[Interviewer (James English)]

How did he propose to you?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

We was in Ibiza and we was on a boat and it was lovely, literally.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Were you expecting it the morning that.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Because when we went out there, my friends would be like, oh, do you Think he's going to propose to you? And I was like, I don't know. Because it had just been the Euros, so I thought, what time has he had to, like, go out and get a ring? And Jared's not good with surprises. I know my Christmas present before I opened it.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Like, he tells me everything.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

So I was a bit, like, unsure. But then the morning, he wore, like, a nice blue shirt, and I like him in a blue shirt. So then I was a bit like.

[Interviewer (James English)]

You'Re like, that's a sign of something.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

That's hot.

[Interviewer (James English)]

That's hot. We like this.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

We like this. And then, obviously.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

But then when we got on the butt, I thought, I just don't know if Jay, if Jared would know how to get a ring. And I just didn't know. Do you know what I mean?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

So, yeah, when it happened, it was.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

It was the best thing ever.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

It was like. Yeah, it was.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

It was just so romantic.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Bless him. He went down on my knee, though, and I was like, did you say, will you marry me? I don't even know if you said that.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

He went, yeah, I think I did. I was like, I don't know if you did.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I don't know if you just went like. I think it was.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It's like a blur, isn't it?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

It was such a blur. It was just. Yeah, it was. It was so special, though.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Bless him. He's a sweetheart.

[Interviewer (James English)]

And having kids there as well, and just at the wedding and stuff.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Oh, I know. It was. You know what it was we did. We only really had close family kids. And I'm really glad we did that because we just wanted all my friends and stuff to, like, have a good time. But, yeah, it was, to be fair, the. The kids did walk down the aisle because I was a bit like, santi's got a mind of his own. Like, if you don't want to do something, he ain't gonna do it. Like, doesn't matter how many dairy milks I give him, he ain't gonna do it.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

But he did walk down the aisle, and so did the twins, but I had to.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Did you cry?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Oh, I was giggling, really giggling all day. But I put all candles. We had all candles out, which was dangerous for the kids because they're all dreaded.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I'm like, the candles, the candles. Like, the flowers are gonna sit here all light.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

But it was so special. And I buried a sausage the night before of our wedding. It was like 25 degrees. It was boiling.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I told you, it's the weather. I live by that.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Bury your sausage the night before you have good weather the next day.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

My friend brought the Richmond sausage from.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Her house as well. She turned it up to my ash when I got the sausages.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Did you plant it raw or did.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

You plan it was raw?

[Interviewer (James English)]

It was raw.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah, it was a raw sausage.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And I dug deep. I was like, we're burying this. And it was. It was boiling.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

It was perfect.

[Interviewer (James English)]

You were doing strictly recently.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Oh, James.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Do you know, it's actually. It's actually the sweetest phone call I've ever got.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Oh, J. I needed you. I was. I've actually rung. You didn't. I wonder what wrong me.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It was the sweetest phone call I ever got. And I. And I. And you got injured. You got injured. I saw the message. You put up your Instagram and you fractured your foot.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah. So it's such a weird injury because I don't feel as much pain as I probably should.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What was the moment it happened?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

We was practicing our quick step.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Nice.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And we did like a jump and fell. And my foot, it rolled and it made a noise and I was like, no, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. And then Akita Blessing would come and looked at my foot and stuff and he was like, no, no, no, like, it's fine. You've just rolled, drank on up. You know when you think, why did I even know? It's like, why did I hear a noise? And then that day, he was like, listen, we spoke to the physical on this physio. I was like, just go home. Like, just go home. Have the weekend. He seen me on the Friday, the physio and had a little look at it and he was touching it all because I was like, it was really swollen on, like a certain point of my foot. And then I was a bit like. He was like, just keep icing it. Jared brought me home like a game ready machine, like an ice machine from football. And I was just icing. He was on me every 20 minutes, every hour on the sofa.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

So I was like on the sofa.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

For like 48 hours, just icing it. And then, because I was like, I'm going in on Monday and I really want it to, like, the sweating to go down.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And then went in on the Monday, the physio, like, looked at it and stuff. And he was like, well, listen, we're going for the mri. He was like. Because I could was doing like hops and stuff on it and doing the right thing. So I thought, surely I wouldn't be able to do that if it was really bad.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Do you know what I mean? And then the physio sent me for them.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

All right.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And then the Tuesday morning, the phone call.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Oh, my God. It was like someone had died.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I know that sounds really dramatic. No, it is, but it was like.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It'S the worst thing.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I'm really sorry.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

And I was like, what?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

She was like, it's a fracture.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I was like, but how is it a fracture? I was like, inject it. There's gotta be something you've got out there.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

And obviously, they just said to me, like, they are amazing. Like, all the Strictly Team. Like, they have rung me, text me. Like, they've been so supportive. And then I remember speaking to them, and they was just like, we're gonna have to withdraw you. And I was like, but I don't.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Want to buy it. I'll be fine. So it don't matter. We'll go barefoot.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

You know, Like, I just really didn't want it to end.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

There's got to be something we can do.

[Interviewer (James English)]

When I did mine, I felt like I was in a nightmare.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I'm so glad.

[Interviewer (James English)]

I mean, I felt like I was in a nightmare during it. And it's unfair, because you feel like something's out of your control that's happened. Same as you. It's like, what the hell? Like, why?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Like how this has never happened. Like, why does this happen now?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Yeah. Like, jumping is so silly, isn't it?

[Interviewer (James English)]

I think you would have done really well as well.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Oh, Jam.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I'm.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

It's.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I feel so embarrassed about that. I'm so embarrassed.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Danika, can I say just thank you for doing this? Like, honestly, I want. I want everyone to go and listen to your podcast live and let dies. You host it with your dad, but also with your mom.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yes. Yes.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It's amazing.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Thank you.

[Interviewer (James English)]

It's really. You're just. You're just a lovely, amazing soul. You really like. Truly, you are. And so I don't. Comments. All that kind of stuff. I just. I hope you don't. You hope you ignore all that crap.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Well, you're good at outing them, so.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah, 100%. No, you're the. You're the greatest. I really appreciate. Listen, we'd like to end the podcast with eight questions. You ready for this?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Okay, let's go.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What's the saying or phrase that makes you smile? Or cheers you up?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Oh, my God, why is my brain gone? Cheers you up.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah, what's the saying or Phrase that someone says to you that you go, yeah, I like that.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Jared's mom says this. She goes, dream, believe, achieve.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Let's freaking go. Best compliment anyone's ever given you.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I don't know. What's my best compliment? It's terrible that I don't know how to answer. Answer this one, isn't it?

[Interviewer (James English)]

Some people can't. Some people find it hard.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I find it really hard.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Hard. I've been told I've got a good bum and I know I do.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Don't believe that one.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What scares you most about yourself?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

My negativity.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Why do you think you have that? Because you're such a bright soul.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I don't know what to do about it, babe. I'm trying.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Switch it in your head or try to. Even though you trick yourself, you need to start meditation.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Maybe be.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah. When was the last time you cried?

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Oh, last week.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Really? What was it about?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Strictly.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What's something you can't let go of?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Oh, chocolate.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Yeah. Favorite. Which one?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Dairy, milk, fruit or nut? Always banging.

[Interviewer (James English)]

In the fridge. Out the fridge.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

In the fridge. I don't like soggy chocolate.

[Interviewer (James English)]

No, cold in the cup of coffee.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I like a cup of coffee. Cup of coffee with a nice chocolate.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What's your guilty pleasure?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

My guilty pleasure. Like any reality tv. Like I love reality TV so much. Married at first sight.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Always Real Housewives.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

I've never seen Real Housewives. No, Sophie just.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Honestly, she's obsessed. What turns you off?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Bad teeth.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What turns you on?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Like acts of. What's it Acts of Service. You know, like when I get home and like the house is like the dishwasher.

[Interviewer (James English)]

That's your love language.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Like thank you. Do you know what I mean? Things like that.

[Interviewer (James English)]

He's cleaned everything.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

I adore him so much.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Really? Is that like, let's freaking get.

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

Yeah, let's come on when it's 8 o'.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Clock. The kids are a bed. He'd rather play PlayStation.

[Interviewer (James English)]

What do you like most about yourself?

[Danny Dyer's Daughter (Danika Dyer)]

That I like to have a laugh. You?

[Interviewer (James English)]

100 do. Bonus. Favorite swear word.

[Danika's Friend or Sister (Possibly Kaylee)]

Probably.

[Interviewer (James English)]

Danny, you're the greatest. Thank you so much for coming on. Firstly, I want to say a big thank you for Danny for coming on the episode. That was incredible. I know that so many people are going to resonate with that. So many mums out there are going to resonate with the loneliness, the anxiety, the baby blues that comes with being a new mum and dads as well. I know that. I'm constantly thinking about how I'm gonna feel after my wife Sophie gives birth. One of the big things that I picked up from the episode was the inner confidence. We all suffer with confidence the whole time. We're constantly worried what people are thinking about us, how we're gonna represent ourselves, whether we can achieve something. And we all suffer with it. And I really hope that a lot of you resonate with Danny, who you may see Danny on the TV or on social media, thinks she's such a confident person. But underneath it all, we realize that we all have the same worries and concerns and insecurities and anxieties. And I hope you feel comfort in that. I really hope you enjoyed this episode. If you haven't subscribed to our show already, please do. It's completely for free, and if you like the content, it will do us wonders. And we cannot wait to see you next week for another episode. See you then.

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