NICK MOHAMMED: How Comedy & Magic Helped Me Survive the Playground Bullies

Summary

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Great Company with Jamie Laing

Episode: NICK MOHAMMED: How Comedy & Magic Helped Me Survive the Playground Bullies

Release date: July 14, 2026
Host: Jamie Laing (Jampot Productions)
Guest: Nick Mohammed

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Episode Overview

This episode welcomes actor, comedian, and magician Nick Mohammed, best known for his roles in "Ted Lasso" and "Intelligence." The conversation focuses on resilience, the power of comedy and magic, overcoming childhood bullying, career turning points, embracing vulnerability, and lessons from both magic and the entertainment industry. Nick also shares stories about his early love for magic, his entry into performing, the origins of his character Mr. Swallow, and experiences on major shows like "The Traitors" and "Ted Lasso." Throughout the episode, he displays humility, insight, and plenty of humour.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Magic as a Survival Tool

Early Performances to Deter Bullies

• Nick began performing magic at age four, teaching himself with a Paul Daniels magic set he "nicked" from his sister. (31:41)
• Magic became a genuine tool for self-preservation during his school days in the north of England in the ‘90s.

  "I could survive the playground by just getting out a deck of cards… Even the teacher, I remember Mr. Piper, saying, Nick, get your cards out." (00:00, 33:43)

• Using magic was a way to fit in as an outsider, distract potential bullies, and "keep them at bay." (33:43)

Magic’s Enduring Influence

• Even later, as he moved to comedy, Nick always kept magic as a backup:

  "When I was a student, I used to always have magic on me in case the comedy was failing. It's so... you're so vulnerable." (34:12)

• Magic is still a hobby, and he reads magic books daily since childhood. (33:00)

2. The Role of Comedy & Community

Finding Confidence and Belonging

• Nick’s path to comedy was accidental—a fallback after not making it into academic life:

  "Comedy was like a big plan...I thought I was going to go into academia, frankly." (18:26)

• Joining Footlights at Cambridge was pivotal, giving him not only stage time but also a crucial peer group of future stars like Simon Bird and Joe Thomas.

  "It did make me think, well, actually there are plenty of people who have come before me who've actually managed to make it work out for a career, so you can sort of dare to dream." (21:35)

• The support and camaraderie of this group made the impossible seem possible. (26:18)

3. Auditions, Imposter Syndrome, and the Big Leap

Sliding Doors Moment

• Nick reveals his turning point was getting into the Footlights tour at Edinburgh Fringe, making him realize his passion outweighed academic ambitions:

  "I remember specifically looking back [at the Bullard Laboratories], and knowing I would never come back." (24:49)

• Despite being on a sponsored PhD, he pursued comedy, acknowledging that youthful naiveté helped him leap. (25:45)

Imposter Syndrome

• Nick struggled early with feeling like a fraud in the arts, even just browsing the LAMDA website:

  "Complete imposter syndrome. I mean. But also, I wouldn't have had the skillset, frankly. But yes, a hefty dollop of imposter syndrome, for sure." (19:45)

4. Resilience and Advice to Aspiring Performers

• Nick attributes his career to resilience and facing failure:

  "Any degree of success... is founded on multiple failures. And it has to be, particularly in a creative discipline, for sure. You have to ride the wave." (26:59)

• He describes brutal early gigs, including performing for nearly no audience:

  "I remember... my first solo show at the Underbelly... you've only got like two people in. And I was like, oh yeah, I'll do the show." (27:55)

• "You do develop a thick skin. You kind of have to." (28:28)

5. Vulnerability and Authenticity on Reality TV ('The Traitors')

• Nick discusses the emotional and psychological challenges of reality TV, including the uncertainty, camaraderie, and surprising emotional vulnerability:

  "My wife was just so phenomenal because we discuss anything that I am gonna take on... But there was a weird psychological thing... whether you're a traitor or a faithful, your time could be up any day." (09:13)

• On the show's popularity restoring communal TV-watching:

  "It is literally like the olden days when people would all get together, watch it together... because you'll probably hear the spoilers or see it in the press." (12:55)

6. Family, Partnership & Marriage

• Nick credits much of his balance to his wife, Becca, a musician and teacher, describing her as his support system, inspiration, and the funniest person he knows:

  "She is so funny... Like proper observational, comic funny... And I will go to the grave, like, laughing." (16:24-17:23)

• Secret to a happy marriage:

  "Perspective...at the end of the day, you can still sort of... look at things and think it's all right." (17:36)

7. Mr. Swallow and the Art of Character Comedy

• Mr. Swallow is inspired by a real school teacher—a performance vehicle for Nick's more daring, unfiltered comedy:

  "It's about her being a show pony, using teaching as a platform to show off, which was what she was—a frustrated performer." (46:58)

• Nick finds it freeing to perform as a character:

  "As a character, infinitely more. I just don't think anyone wants to hear me..." (45:11)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On using magic as a shield (00:00, 33:43):
  "I could survive the playground by just getting out a deck of cards... Even the teacher, I remember Mr. Piper, saying, Nick, get your cards out. And that felt like a superpower."
• On imposter syndrome (19:45):
  "Complete imposter syndrome... I wouldn't have had the skillset, frankly. But yes, a hefty dollop of imposter syndrome, for sure."
• On 'The Traitors' camaraderie (09:13):
  "Alan was one of... he brightened up every single day of that whole experience... there is a psychological thing... your time could be up on day one or day two."
• On resilience (26:58):
  "Try not to be afraid of failure... Any degree of success... is founded on multiple failures."
• On magic as joy (33:01):
  "I've read a bit of a magic book probably every day since I was about 4 or 5."
• On Mr. Swallow (46:07):
  "He kind of talks like that and, you know, just sort of got that attitude of just being like...right, we're gonna have a debate about capital punishment. And we're like: why?"

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Magic and Bullies (00:00 – 00:16, 33:34 – 35:15)
  Nick's origin in magic, using it as a school defense mechanism.
• Audition Parody & Addressing Imposter Syndrome (05:24 – 06:44, 19:22 – 19:45)
• On 'The Traitors' Psychological Impact (08:05 – 14:16)
• Magic as Defense and Performance Resilience (33:26 – 35:15, 27:53 – 28:28)
• Early Comedy and Footlights Experience (18:12 – 22:11)
• Pivotal Life Decision – Leaving Academia (22:42 – 24:49)
• Career Advice and Building Resilience (26:49 – 28:28)
• Family and Partnership (16:23 – 17:36)
• Mr. Swallow Character and Disassociation (45:11 – 49:11)
• Magic Trick with Jamie On-Air (37:31 – 41:45)
• David Schwimmer & 'Intelligence' Origin Story (41:49 – 45:02)
• Quickfire Questions: Vulnerability, Compliments, Guilty Pleasures (51:43 – 60:10)

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Additional Highlights

• Magic Trick Live: Nick performs an interactive card trick for Jamie, delighting both host and audience and showcasing his sleight-of-hand and psychological misdirection skills. (37:31–41:45)
• Celebrity Cameos: Anecdotes about working with David Schwimmer, Jason Sudeikis, and childhood memories of Dynamo increase the episode’s warmth and relatability.
• Vulnerability in Art: Nick admits to being more comfortable in character, finds it freeing and crucial to comedy’s authenticity.
• Resilience & Failure: Honest discussion on dealing with empty rooms at Edinburgh Fringe and why enduring these moments matters.
• Lessons in Kindness: Nick decries rudeness in the industry, recalling early negative experiences and what it taught him about leadership and culture. (58:09)

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• "I could survive the playground by just getting out a deck of cards."
  — Nick Mohammed (00:00)
• "Try not to be afraid of failure. Any degree of success...is founded on multiple failures."
  — Nick Mohammed (26:58)
• "She is so funny... Like proper observational, comic funny... And I will go to the grave, like, laughing."
  — Nick Mohammed, on his wife (16:24)
• "As a character, infinitely more. I just don't think anyone wants to hear me..."
  — Nick Mohammed (45:11)
• "It's a Ted Lasso phrase: be curious, not judgmental. I think it's a really good one."
  — Nick Mohammed (51:50)
• "Made in Chelsea. I'm not joking."
  — Nick Mohammed, on his guilty pleasure (57:32)

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Tone & Style

Jamie’s hosting is warm, affectionate, and conversational, often breaking into laughter or awe at Nick’s stories. Nick remains self-deprecating, honest, and good-humoured throughout, seamlessly blending insight with levity.

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Final Takeaways

This episode is a rich, entertaining journey through Nick Mohammed’s path to comedy and magic, the role of resilience in his career, and how humor and wonder can mitigate childhood adversity. His groundedness, loyalty to friends and family, and ongoing struggles with imposter syndrome and work-life boundaries make him especially relatable—reminding listeners that vulnerability, curiosity, and kindness are strengths in both art and life.

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Transcript

[Nick Mohammed]

I could survive the playground by just getting out deck of cards.

[Jamie]

Because you started doing magic at four years old.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, look, I'm sure Brown, you know, grew up in the north of England in like the 90s. I could sort of entertain them and just sort of keep them at bay a little bit. And that felt like a superpower. And even the teacher, I remember Mr. Piper saying, Nick, get your cards out.

[Jamie]

Nick, that is wild.

[Nick Mohammed]

Do you want to do something now?

[Jamie]

Please?

[Nick Mohammed]

Okay. I believe that the card you chose was jack of clubs.

[Jamie]

Do I pick it up?

[Commercial Voice 1]

Oh my God.

[Nick Mohammed]

Isn't that mad? Hi, I'm Nick Muhammad and I'm in great company.

[Jamie]

Please welcome actor and comedian Nick Muhammad.

[Nick Mohammed]

Nick Muhammad.

[Jamie]

Wow, a traitor. Oh, can we talk about traitors?

[Nick Mohammed]

We can. Was just the most exhilarating experience of my life. Really Jo, you have no chance of knowing it. I should say about Alan as well.

[Jamie]

I would love to do an audition with you. So this is Braveheart.

[Nick Mohammed]

You've come to fight as free men and free men you are that they may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom. This industry is definitely surrounded by its healthy share of rude people.

[Jamie]

Have you seen it firsthand?

[Commercial Voice 2]

Yeah.

[Nick Mohammed]

Wow. They were notoriously rude and it was gross. It was just like watching a school bully go, wait, who was it? Nick,

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[Commercial Voice 3]

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[Nick Mohammed]

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[Commercial Voice 2]

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[Nick Mohammed]

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[Nick Mohammed]

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[Nick Mohammed]

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[Jamie]

Guys, welcome back to Great Company. Today's episode is a big one because we have Nick Muhammad on the show. He's a comedian, he's a writer, he's a, he's an actor. He's been in Ted Lasso, one of the biggest shows in the world at the moment. He's incredible. And he's also a magician and he performs tricks on the show today. It's an amazing episode. We talk about so many different things about bullying, growing up. It's all in there. Before we start, if I can ask you one quick favor if you could possibly subscribe to our show. It's completely free and it Takes one second. It means we can keep making a better show. It means you join the community of all the incredible people who are following us. And it allows you to get an alert each week. Okay. You ready for that? Here we go. Enjoy this amazing episode of Great Company with Nick Muhammad. Nick, audition. So you're comfortable in auditions?

[Nick Mohammed]

Yes, yes, I try to be. Now. Trying to be.

[Jamie]

Well, I would love to do an audition with you.

[Nick Mohammed]

Okay. Who's auditioning, me or you?

[Jamie]

We're in it together.

[Nick Mohammed]

Okay.

[Jamie]

And I don't know if you've ever watched Braveheart.

[Nick Mohammed]

Is it the Freedom Speech? It's the Freedom Speech. Okay. Yeah.

[Jamie]

You're gonna play William Wallace, who's played by Mel Gibson.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, yeah. Slightly contentious character now, in the 90s.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Yeah. We loved him in the 90s. We loved him. Not so much. So you're gonna play him?

[Nick Mohammed]

I'm him.

[Jamie]

Okay. In the remake, I'm playing the sort of side character.

[Nick Mohammed]

You don't have that much to do, Jamie.

[Jamie]

That's fine. I'm happy with that. I'm the casting director. You're coming in for audition, and so you're walking into the room.

[Nick Mohammed]

Okay. So here we are.

[Jamie]

Hi. Who are you?

[Nick Mohammed]

Hi, Jamie. Nice to meet you. Thank you so much for seeing me. I really appreciate it. Big fan of your work.

[Jamie]

Thanks so much. You've seen my movies, then?

[Nick Mohammed]

I've seen all your movies. I am Nick Mohammed.

[Jamie]

Hi, Nick.

[Nick Mohammed]

Nick.

[Jamie]

Yeah. We've seen you in a couple of things. We've seen you in Ted Lasso. You're great in that. Well, congrats on the traitors.

[Nick Mohammed]

Thank you very much. Thank you.

[Jamie]

Loved it.

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, I loved it very much.

[Jamie]

So you're playing William Wallace today?

[Nick Mohammed]

Yes, if that's okay. That is in a Scottish accent, I hope. That's right. I could do it Japanese if you want, but I think whatever.

[Jamie]

Whatever. Whatever the art takes you. You should go with it.

[Commercial Voice 3]

Okay.

[Jamie]

Here we go.

[Nick Mohammed]

Okay. Have a tiny bit of water now. I am nervous. Sons of Scotland. I am William Wallace.

[Jamie]

William Wallace is seven feet tall.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yes, I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds. And if he were here, he'd consume the English with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his ass. I am William Wallace. And I see a whole army of my countrymen here in defense of tyranny. You've come to fight as free men and free. What would you do without freedom? Will you fight?

[Jamie]

Fight against that? No. We'll run and we will live.

[Commercial Voice 1]

Ay.

[Nick Mohammed]

Fight and you may die. Run and you'll live at least a while, and dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our ways, but they'll never take our freedom. I apologise to any Scottish listeners for my very bastardized attempt at your beautiful dialect.

[Jamie]

That was fantastic. Can we talk about traitors?

[Nick Mohammed]

We can. Have you been asked to do it? I'd love to see you on it.

[Jamie]

I would love you.

[Nick Mohammed]

Come on, Jamie.

[Jamie]

You know what? I'm trying to ease my way towards it. I actually wrote about it. I wrote it.

[Commercial Voice 3]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

I wrote about the. That final scene with.

[Nick Mohammed]

I think you put a really kind Instagram post. I think I remember seeing that. Yes.

[Jamie]

Because it was just. It was so beautiful because Alan, obviously, being the traitor, and as an audience, you know this throughout. Of course you do.

[Commercial Voice 3]

Right.

[Jamie]

So it's panto.

[Nick Mohammed]

It's so obvious when you watch it.

[Jamie]

And probably not in there. Right. You probably don't see it as much.

[Nick Mohammed]

I mean, categorically not. No, no, no.

[Jamie]

But what was so incredible about it is that I think, Nick, you felt so wise throughout and you felt. It felt like as an audience member, you had every. You were like, I know everyone's number. I've got this.

[Nick Mohammed]

I thought I'd worked it out.

[Jamie]

You thought you were. You're playing this amazing game. And when it got to that last bit, it was almost like you were looking at Alan going, we've got this.

[Commercial Voice 3]

Yeah.

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, it was so that. Because Alan. Alan was one of. I should say about Alan as well, he brightened up every single day of that whole experience. And I was there for, like, you know, nearly three weeks.

[Jamie]

It's a long time to spend time

[Nick Mohammed]

when you get to the end. Yeah. And there is a psychological. And my wife was just so phenomenal because we obviously, we discuss anything that I am gonna take on, which is possibly gonna take me away from home. But we were both such big fans of that show. But there was a weird psychological thing of. And especially with the kids, of, like, you don't know when you're gonna go, you know, whether you're a traitor or a faithful. You know, your time could be up on day one or day two. It could be up after three weeks, whatever. So that was a slightly odd thing, but we were like, both. Okay, let's just go.

[Jamie]

It's.

[Nick Mohammed]

Ma thing is mad.

[Jamie]

Are you competitive? It. It felt like you. Are you not competitive?

[Nick Mohammed]

Well, like, yes and no. I Want. I think once I got into my groove, I want. I'm like, oh, this is actually.

[Jamie]

I like this.

[Nick Mohammed]

I like this. And. And I'd never done really anything as me. I mean, I'd done Taskmaster, but even then I sort of put Dracula makeup on because I was still a little bit uncomfortable being me. Whereas this was just, you know, warts and all.

[Jamie]

And he.

[Nick Mohammed]

Very quickly. I mean, you'll know from reality telly, but you just very quickly sort of get numb to the cameras, actually, and you end up just being quite.

[Jamie]

Why are you so afraid to.

[Nick Mohammed]

Why.

[Jamie]

Why do you feel so. Because having met you now, you're the most charming.

[Nick Mohammed]

I wouldn't say it's fear. I think it's just more about wanting to just keep something of myself to yourself. And because I want to act as well and I do character stuff. I want. I don't want to kind of give too much away because I think. I think, you know, there was. I did. There was one bit of me when I was offered traitors. I just sort of thought, do I even want to just expose myself in that way? But. But then equally, I was like, who am I to turn this down? And I think by that point, like, Stephen Fry had already said yes, Tom Daly had said yes, I think Claire Balding Allen and other people. And I was like, oh. I mean, like. And I loved the show, but, oh, my goodness, it was like. It was thrilling. And there were times, and particularly at the start, I was convinced I was going to be gone. Right at the start. Like, right at the start. Yeah. And I think if you watch it back, me and. And Lucy was so convinced that we were.

[Jamie]

That was it.

[Nick Mohammed]

That was it. Because I remember after watching. Well, I'd watched all of the, like, British series, and I remember spotting this pattern that the last two in at breakfast are often the people who've been considered as being murdered because they, you know, that's how they kind of edit it together. So there's like, oh, and who's it going to be out of those three people? It could be between this, this and then the next episode is like. And the reveal, it's this person. And I remember coming into the first breakfast and it was me and, like, Lucy and maybe Celia or Stephen who were the last in. And I was like, oh, God. So I'm right. And then Claudia walks in and said, no one's been murdered. I was like, oh, relief. And she says, well, actually, one of you has. But it was done in plain sight. So I was already like, oh, well, maybe that still means it's one of us. And then, I don't know if you remember that whole funeral thing that went. Paloma, I got in one of the coffins genuinely believing it was me.

[Jamie]

Was that on tv? It was.

[Nick Mohammed]

They did show it because there was clues as to who it might be getting in the coffins. But I was so dead certain it was me. Anyway, there was like one clue which I think pointed towards Taskmaster. Like, well, that's me forgetting that like four or five people had also been in Taskmaster. And I just got in and I was like, that's it. And I was so gutted. And then when it wasn't me and I got out, my heart was racing. I couldn't believe it. And then every day, every morning, honestly, you got this rush of like, I think it's me, I think it's me. Like, you get so into the game.

[Jamie]

Of course you do, because that's. Cause that's your whole world.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And that moment where Alan revealed he was a traitor and you all came to as like this amazing, beautiful, like vulnerable moment of just like. Well, it was. There was tears and it was just. Was like a. Just a perfect example of showing vulnerability and showing what real quality TV can do.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And we have slightly forgotten that because of social media and TikTok and everything.

[Nick Mohammed]

But actually, that is one of the nice things actually about traitors. And it is true with the most recent normal version, which I thought was fantastic, is that because everyone's now so aware it's such a beloved show, people are so concerned about getting spoilers, they have to come off social media and they have to watch it when it goes out. So it is literally like the olden days when people would all get together, watch it together, and it's an episode every day or once a week or whatever it is, because you can't. If you catch up, if you're trying to do catch up on it, you can't really, because you'll probably hear the spoilers or see it in the press or something like that the next day. So it was just one of those shows. I mean, it felt the closest. It must be to be a sports person, I guess, in that it was. There was a real live quality to it, even though obviously it was pre recorded. But and to hold on to the secrets as well for so long was a weird thing because I came out of that castle like May 9, 2025 or something, and then it didn't come out until like mid October that year. So for a Good period of like, you know, five plus months or whatever. It almost became like. It didn't. It was because we couldn't talk about it because you can't give anything away. And the press, you know, so there's no furore about it until it comes out. So it just almost felt like, was this just a surreal dream? And knowing particularly how it played out and with betraying Jo as well, and how that kind of came about with Alan winning was just madness, Just fantastic.

[Jamie]

Who do you think is the one to watch for the next series?

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, my God. I just. When I saw that list, and I know quite a few of the comics, particularly who are doing it, and I just think it's such. I mean, I have no idea because. And I listened to. I think it must have been the Richmond Osmond and Marina Hyde podcast. Yeah. Wrestlertainment Talk about the new lineup of people going in and they were sort of saying, who would make good traitors. And actually every single combination of people you think of, you think, oh, that'd be good. Oh, that'd be good. Oh, I'd like to see them as that. That's what's so good about it. And I think that's the thing about the show is it's all about. It's not necessarily about an individual. It's about, like a dynamic of people. And I cannot express enough how excited I am to watch it.

[Jamie]

Amalrajan. I love Amor.

[Nick Mohammed]

I was at university with the most.

[Jamie]

Were you?

[Nick Mohammed]

I was, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

He's so great.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, he's so great.

[Jamie]

He's so great. I just.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, we had a chat just before we went up and I said, look, if his other half. If she wants to talk to Becca whilst you're up there. Because it is a very specific thing, I think, like, big shout out to partners of people in kind of crazy initiative because, like, they are doing so much. I mean, Becca does so much like to kind of just keep the household running and keep the world together and keep me in check and kind of keep the kids just sort of like, just, you know, she makes that so easy. She is literally phenomenal. She's also the coolest person in the world. Incredible, yeah. How she. How she manages the world. And also because, you know, one minute I could be trying out really bad Mr. Swallow material, and the next we might be at, like, a glitzy event. And it's really fun and like to sort of. It is a slight psychological kind of like rollercoaster, I think, this industry. But she's just very like, I mean, it helps that she's. She's not part. You know, she's a teacher. She's a music teacher. She's brilliant musician. And so her stories from work and so on are very different to, like, stories that we. So we kind of. We can offload to each other about our own very specific kind of problems. And it kind of makes us both realize, like, oh, that's fine. Like, those are first of all problems, really, and it's all good.

[Jamie]

What is the greatest thing about your wife?

[Nick Mohammed]

The greatest thing about her, I mean, is her sense of humor. I mean, for sure. I mean, she is.

[Jamie]

Is she funnier than you?

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, oh, but like a billion percent. My wife is a. Oh, I mean, like, really, really funny. I mean, she's obviously incredibly beautiful, talented, and has this amazing heart and incredible with the kids and a brilliant musician and teacher and everything. But her sense of humor, I mean, that is undoubtedly like her. And I will go to the grave, like, laughing. Like laughing. Because, I mean, there's one story I will not ever repeat, but it was the grimmest thing that happened to both of us. And we were in hospital and we were finding some. I mean, it was really dark, but we were. And it didn't affect. It was us to laugh. It was our thing, you know, we weren't laughing at anybody else, but oh, my goodness. And we all refer back to that sometimes. Oh, God, that was proper galaxy. But she is so funny. So funny. And like. But I mean, like, proper, like, observational, comic funny.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Just genius.

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, like incredible.

[Jamie]

Without knowing, she's probably genius.

[Nick Mohammed]

Like, just one liners, and I'll just like, write them all down.

[Jamie]

Sophie, my wife is the same. She says these. I'm like, you know, you're comedy gold. At times. She's like, what? It's like, so. Yeah. What do you think the secret is to a happy marriage, then?

[Nick Mohammed]

I think, like, perspective. I mean, like, you know, it's not to say that you're not gonna have disagreements and things like that. Like, of course you are, but. But it's just that nice thing. At the end of the day, you can still sort of have that kind of perspective on it and just sort of come together and sort of look at things and think it's all right. I mean, look, we're really lucky and. And stuff like that. We're so lucky with our kids, and we have such a great time with them, and it is mad and we're often exhausted, and Becca, you know, even more so. But still, we'll see the fun side and still make it fun for them and me. And so it's great.

[Jamie]

What was your first ever audition? Do you remember it?

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, that's a really good question.

[Jamie]

Did you have to audition for Footlights?

[Nick Mohammed]

Yes, I did, very much so. Well, my very first, if you really kind of going further back, is. So when I. So I studied at Durham University and then started doing postgrad stuff at Cambridge.

[Jamie]

And you did geology at Durham?

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, geophysics. So, yeah, like geology with maths. But yeah. And I auditioned for the Durham Review, which is like the equivalent, like the comedy sketch group in Durham, but I didn't get in and I. And they only had one audition a year, so you could only really audition once a year, which was a shame, really. And I auditioned, I think, two years on the trot and didn't get in, but. But I still quite like mates with them and occasionally they would ask me to sort of. I think I remember like, emceeing one of their gigs because I think someone had pulled out. But I did quite a lot of magic within that. And so. So, yeah, so I was kind of. By the time I got to Cambridge and I. And not that I. Comedy was like a big plan. I thought I was going to go into academia, frankly. Or if anything, you wanted to be

[Jamie]

a geologist, didn't you?

[Nick Mohammed]

A geophysicist. Yeah. Which is.

[Jamie]

What. What is a geophysicist?

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[Nick Mohammed]

I mean, it's probably quite bad now, but. But I mean, it was. At the time, it was. I think my PhD was sponsored by multiple oil companies. And then. Yeah, but I didn't complete it, so I don't feel bad. Yeah, yeah. Hey, listen, so. So certainly a career in entertainment was not like.

[Jamie]

It's not really. It wasn't a thing. It was like such a hobby almost there.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, yeah. And even I think I vaguely considered, just because I knew some people who were going. Some of those Durham Review people actually, who were going to go to drama school after university. And I just. I remember. I just remember have a really vivid memory of just going on to, like, the Lambda website and just having a little look at it and then just thinking, absolutely. Like, I just wouldn't.

[Jamie]

What? Imposter syndrome?

[Nick Mohammed]

What? Complete imposter syndrome. I mean. But also, I wouldn't have had the skillset, frankly. But yes, a hefty dollop of imposter syndrome, for sure. But I remember auditioning then for Footlights and actually what was great about Footlights is you could effectively. Well, the first audition, which is called. So the sketch shows that they did every two weeks were called Smokers and the first one was called the Virgin Smoker. And it was basically for anyone who was new joining that year. And it basically meant everyone got in. So you would still audition, but everyone would get in. And even if it was like 30 people doing like little two, three minute sketches and it would be quite a long night, but. So I remember doing that and then. And then I just remember auditioning every two weeks and I think most of the time I kind of got in. And then you became. I became really good friends with a lot of those people. And then, you know, the auditions were not that like, oh, you'll automatically get in, but it was just very much like, well, if you're part of this group who really love doing it, because it's not like everyone wanted to do it every week or anything. And you know, I. All those people, I mean, I absolutely adore and still good friends with her. So my kind of cohort was like Simon Bird and Joe Thomas and Johnny Sweet, Sarah Soleimani. So we were all there at the same time. And just the year before was like Tom Basdon and Tim Key and all that lot. Stefan Goliszewski, so loved him. Oh, God, I love them all. I mean, they're just phenomenal and have all. And I say this genuinely, all were so supportive back then and to this day are also still supportive. Like Tim came to see my Miss Swallow tour, like, show like last month. Like, like, we'll always. Wow.

[Jamie]

So you guys known each other since you were kids?

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, like, like, like early 20s, like. Yeah, yeah. So it's sort of. It's wonderful that. And I feel so lucky and that is one thing, and again, it's a real privilege to say, but one thing that going to Cambridge did like, like this idea that it's possible to, to

[Jamie]

give you that confidence.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, it did. Because I possibly didn't have that fully at that point. And it did make me think, well, actually there are plenty of people who have kind of come before me who have actually managed to make it work out for a career, so you can sort of dare to dream. I mean, it's certainly not a guarantee by any means. You know, just because you've gone to a university, a. It certainly doesn't make you funny because it's not, you know, funny is so subjective. And so it was. It was not a guarantee ever. But it certainly did make me think, oh, maybe I can be slightly blindly optimistic about this and that's not so much a bad thing and all that lot have gone into it, because you have to be.

[Jamie]

You have to have a little bit of delusion. You have to have a slight bit.

[Nick Mohammed]

Right, you do, because otherwise you'd probably give up after your last bad gig, you know, because it's so horrible to kind of go through, but you have to sort of come back and think, no, no, no, I can do better. And there's definitely a tipping point. And it's never really a specific point. It's usually probably over a period of like six months where it's probably the transition between, am I gonna give this up or is this now my career and I'm now dead set on this kind of being the thing that I'm aiming for. And you kind of make. You have to sort of psychologically make that decision.

[Jamie]

When was that point for you, do you think?

[Nick Mohammed]

For me, it was relatively early and it was, it was because I was doing my PhD at the time, so. And it was a sponsored PhD, so it was, you know, I was being paid to do it, so it was a proper thing. And. But yeah, a very specific point. I remember I'd done one year of the PhD and it was approaching the summer and I'd got into the Footlights tour show. So that was a show that was. So I'd auditioned for that and that was quite life changing actually, because basically that they could only afford to send five of you up to the Edinburgh Fringe because your accommodation is basically paid for. And so it can't be like a show with like 20 people in. And. And so, so I, you know, they only choose five and so they had quite a rigorous audition process for that. And I remember just sort of wanting it so much. And I remember the day getting the email and I sat in my little office with two other PhD students and I saw that email come through and I scrolled down and I saw my name and I could not believe. I could not believe it. I've. I've got. I've got the email. I printed it, I've got the email. And. And because of course there was no guarantee that that would ever lead to a career in it at all. But it felt like this is, at the time, this was massive for me, but I then had to get permission from my supervisor to then take basically two months off because I was going to be away in August for the Fringe, and then there was like a little tour afterwards in September and so. And I had a load of fieldwork to do before then in Faroes. So I remember like June of July of that year pretty much Been up in the Faroe Islands and I remember coming back and then leaving to then basically go up to Edinburgh. I remember looking back at the Bullard Laboratories where I was based and it was such a romantic thing, but I remember so specifically looking back and knowing that I would never come back. I just had it in my, I was like. And of course that's delusion, that's delusional, that's blind optimism, whatever you want to call it. But I just had that feeling and like, thank goodness it worked out. I mean, I'm so lucky. But I had that feeling and it came good and I can't believe it.

[Jamie]

It's like a movie, it's going away

[Nick Mohammed]

and you're looking back and going and

[Jamie]

in and like, I'll never be going back there.

[Nick Mohammed]

Like a voiceover in my head and

[Jamie]

actually where the Balaam is Morgan Freeman probably voicing it.

[Nick Mohammed]

Exactly. Where the Balad debt is actually quite piss picturesque is like a field with horses and it was the summer and the trees were swaying and I was like not going back and I, I, I, I just had it.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Nick Mohammed]

And then of course the reality is that, oh well, you still need to do enough to do an mphil, otherwise you've been paid to do this. So I still then had to do another year and then, and then, and then it's like moved to London. Well, I can't afford to do comedy in London and so I was doing open mic stuff but I then had to work for Morgan Stanley

[Jamie]

to like

[Nick Mohammed]

pay my way, you know, I had to go work in the day. So it's not nearly as like, like, you know, clear cutters.

[Jamie]

But Nick, this is really interesting for me, right, because you had this opportunity with your, with your skill set and your PhD and everything, you, to go into probably the corporate world and earn a huge amount of money doing things and working for what I'm building yourself and having this, what you would people get is a typical career.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, yeah, right, yeah.

[Jamie]

And you could probably, you could probably, you could probably sketch out there what it would look like quite easily. But you chose to not do that. You chose to take this other path. It's that sliding doors moment in life which I find so interesting.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yes. And I think now, and this is probably, you know, having had kids now, like when I like look back at that, I'm like, oh my God, that is just, I can't believe I was sort of almost like brave enough to like make that decision. But of course you don't have the responsibilities as you do when You're a bit older and if you're ever going to make those decisions, great to make them when you're young, I mean, you know, that's the time to make them. But. But, yeah, I kind of. I sort of look back and almost get kind of nervous thinking about. But I wasn't nervous then. I was just like, yeah, beautiful naivety, which is so naive. Yeah, like that. Sort of like wistful, kind of like, yeah, I'm just, you know, are you

[Jamie]

gonna go and do this?

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah. And like, what? And again, just to go back to like those Footlights mates that I mentioned that. Because we all were like that. It was just like. It was such a nice support network. So we were. Even though, again, there was no guarantee, there was no financial support from it at all, but it was just like, just to offload. And, you know, we were all trying to get an agent or doing gigs or writing scripts, and we were all just doing that at the same time. And so it felt that we could sort of share a lot of those very sort of specific kind of concerns or go and support each other at gigs or something. And, you know, like I say, we sort of still do that now.

[Jamie]

You know, someone will be listening right now, Nick, who, like, you're their inspiration, and they're thinking, well, how can I take that leap? What can I do? What advice would you give that person?

[Nick Mohammed]

Well, it's.

[Jamie]

So.

[Nick Mohammed]

It's tricky and obviously that kind of question sort of comes up a lot, I think, but it's. I always now say, just try not to be afraid of failure. Because when I think of any. And it's certainly. I'm certainly not the first person to have said this by any means, but any degree of success, and you can measure success in lots of different ways, but it's founded on multiple failures. And it has to be like. It can't be anything other than that, particularly. And I think in a creative discipline, for sure. And so it's sort of having failed faith in. In. In yourself and, And. And knowing that you have to ride the wave. And actually you do have to be strong. You do have to be mentally strong for that. Because, you know, there are things like the Edinburgh fringe which can be Brutal brute. Absolutely.

[Jamie]

You've spoken about that a lot where you just. You had no. You have no money.

[Nick Mohammed]

You've got no money, you've got no audience, you've got. And. And, you know, and you're seeing other people just overtake you all the time and you think, oh, well, what am I doing?

[Jamie]

Have you played to zero audience before?

[Nick Mohammed]

Not zero, but close to. Like I remember. I remember one of my first shows at the Underbelly. In fact, it was, it was the first solo show that I ever did. Great place though. It's a mad place. And I think they came up to me like the front of house and said, you've only got like two people in. Do you want to still do the show? And I was like, oh yeah, I'll do the show. And one of those people said that I knew. And I also had audience participation in that show, so they had to keep on getting up on stage. So there were probably times when I was effectively playing to no audience because they were on stage.

[Jamie]

What does that teach you about resilience?

[Nick Mohammed]

I mean, it's mad, but obviously you do develop a thick skin. You kind of have to.

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[Jamie]

What is your first ever memory?

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, that's a good question. My first ever memory, really early memory of. And I think I must have been three or four of getting. Well, I definitely remember being in like the buggy, the push chair with the rain cover on because I remember liking that. I remember liking the sound of rain on the COVID So I must have been, I couldn't have been much older than three or four. And I definitely remember watching like the Paul Daniels magic show as a kid, which I must have been five or six. So I think those are like my earliest memories when I was sort of 3, 4, 5.

[Jamie]

Because you started doing magic at 4 years old.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, so I got a magic set when I was. My sister, she got it a Paul Daniels magic set when she was seven for her seventh birthday and I basically nicked it. So I would have been four. And I was obsessed with it and sort of still am. And it's really interesting you saying about that innocence thing because I think that that's what good magic tricks. I mean, there's a lot of sort of quite sort of corny magic and not great magic out there. But, but, but I think when magic is done well, I think the reason why audiences react to it so well is because it does take them back to a kind of a. There's that kind of that wonder kind of moment where almost anything is possible. Like you sort of know it can't be possible. Like you can't make things float and you can't make things vanish. But, but actually as a kid those things feel completely feasible. And I think when you see a good magic trick and it takes you by surprise and there's that kind of element of wonder, it sort of takes you back to that childhood sort of feeling of like, like being in awe of something. And I love being an audience member as much as I do performing. And I don't really perform as much anymore as like a straight magician. I mean, I do it sometimes in character as Mr. Swallow, but they're kind of sort of slightly secondary to the comedy really now. But I used to work as a magician a lot, but I still love magic and I love watching it. I read probably. I mean, I have a magic book on the go pretty much every day and I'll.

[Jamie]

No, you don't.

[Nick Mohammed]

Honestly, I've read a bit of a magic book probably every day since I was about 4 or 5.

[Jamie]

You're joking.

[Nick Mohammed]

I'm not jok. I do.

[Jamie]

That is wild.

[Nick Mohammed]

And I just. And I will. And even if it's like a couple of pages. But I've got like a big magic book collection and I still love it and I love learning new secrets and principles. I mean, I'm not very good at sleight of hand at all, but I still love kind of reading about it and often I'll just read stuff and think that's absolutely amazing. And because I used to work as a magician a lot, I still, you know, I can still do bits and pieces, but I'm really more of a hobbyist now.

[Jamie]

What do you think? What do you think that taught you for life? Like, what skills did learning magic from an early age give you? Well, it was. That was unexpected.

[Nick Mohammed]

That was unexpected. Well, it was definitely a defense mechanism and I probably didn't. And a bit of a crutch, and I probably didn't recognise that at the time.

[Jamie]

In what way?

[Nick Mohammed]

Well, I guess being a bit of an outskirt look. I'm sure Brown, you know, grew up in the north of England in like the 90s, so it's sort of like, you know, you know, it's not always easy being a kid in that regard and, you know, went just a very, kind of normal school. So it was very much a, you know, I could survive the playground by just getting out a deck of cards. And I remember specifically doing GCSEs and doing design technology. And it just so happened that I was in a class with effectively all the school bullies, all the school bullies. And me, I was like, oh, no, I've chosen the wrong subject. And it was absolutely fine. And look, it's not like I was bullied, bullied at all, but it was definitely the class to kind of just be really, really kind of careful about what you're doing, what you're saying. You just had to kind of keep yourself to yourself and keep your head down. But if it ever got a little bit Larry, I would just be. And even the teacher, I remember, Mr. Piper, get your cards out. And I could. Then I could sort of entertain them and just sort of keep them at bay a Little bit. And that felt like a superpower and sort of was. And then when I later got into doing comedy, when I was a student, I used to always have magic on me in case the comedy was failing. Cause it's so. You're so vulnerable. So it was a bit of a safety net then. And then it's weird how it's now kind of crept back into my comedy through Mr. Swallow because I was happy to sort of, once I stopped doing weddings and stuff, to just be a magic fan and hobbyist really. But it's nice now to kind of occasionally pop it into things. Like. I'm not gonna pop it into everything. Like, it's not into like slow horses. It's like me trying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

And you could really. I think at this point I should really bring out.

[Nick Mohammed]

But then, oddly enough, Ted Lasso. Jason Snake is a huge magic like hobbyist. And I mean, he does it and does it brilliantly as well. He'd probably say he's hobbyist, but he is. And, and I remember him having just like a deck of cards always with him through like read throughs and on set, particularly in season one, just all the time. And we, we would like geek out about magic all the time.

[Jamie]

I, I'm great friends with Matt Edmondson. He's a Radio 1 host. He's an amazing magician. He's.

[Nick Mohammed]

He loves magic and like kids books about magic and everything.

[Jamie]

Totally. And he, like you, he's good friends

[Nick Mohammed]

with Chris Cox, who used to produce his show, I think, who's also a mentalist.

[Jamie]

He's also a mentalist. And it's amazing. And I feel like, it feels to me that that sort of Matt Edmondson has similar characteristics to you. It feels like it's sort of similar individuals like sort of geek out to magic.

[Nick Mohammed]

Well, I think as well that, you know, that kind of magic origin story of mine is quite typical within magic. It's often a slightly geeky outsider who wants to find a way to fit in or get attention. And magic is a really fun way to kind of. Of find that. And then you suddenly discover that there are other magicians. And, you know, you go to magic conventions or magic clubs or magic societies. It's all full of the same personality type.

[Jamie]

But I. What I find so funny is that we're all trying to do the same thing. All trying to fit in.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

As humans.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Do you know we had Dynamo on the.

[Nick Mohammed]

I love him.

[Jamie]

Yeah, man, he's so great.

[Nick Mohammed]

And I've known him since I was a kid because we Went to Bradford Magic Circle at the same time. So, yeah, yeah, he was. I mean, I was. Was 15. He was. I think I'm a tiny bit older than him. He's like 14, 13. But he has always been that, like, that. His, his. His shtick, his style of magic, his tone, his performance style. That is him. And that has been him since he started doing magic.

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[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

But same story with him. Same story with him, you know?

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, goodness. Man, he's got a hell of a story.

[Jamie]

Hell of a story. But, you know, he had bullying experience, racism experience, like lots of different things, and it was just like brutal at times, and it feels like sort of like. Yeah. And he said that magic, again, for him was the way to deflect.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, completely.

[Jamie]

He could bring it out and then suddenly people would go like, okay, he can offer us something.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely.

[Jamie]

You have a magic trick with you today, right?

[Nick Mohammed]

I've got cards with me if you wanted to see something. Are you kidding me? I would be.

[Jamie]

I want anything.

[Nick Mohammed]

I would love you to see something now.

[Jamie]

Police.

[Nick Mohammed]

Okay. They're for you to look after. You can keep them in the box.

[Jamie]

Okay. So Nikas is handing me a pack of playing cards.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yes. Let's do. I want you to cut off a big. Quite a. I'm going to get you to. I'll demonstrate what I want you to do. Cut off a chunk of cards like that, look at the cards sort of secretly, and then shuffle what's in your hand. But I want you to cut off like a good amount, like, because obviously I saw all the other cards, so cut off over half, just so we know.

[Jamie]

Okay, I've cut off over half.

[Nick Mohammed]

And you're happy with the one.

[Jamie]

I'm going to show the.

[Nick Mohammed]

If you want to, I'll turn away.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Nick Mohammed]

There we go. Just shuffle the ones that are in your hand.

[Jamie]

Yes. Okay, then I shuffle the ones that. In my hand.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jamie]

So the one that I'm holding with the thing.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You can shuffle them all and we can.

[Jamie]

I'm shuffling them.

[Nick Mohammed]

I'll put these other ones aside for now. Okay.

[Jamie]

I'm shuffling them. I'm shuffling, I'm shuffling them. Okay. That feels like they're shuffled. Okay.

[Nick Mohammed]

The only thing I know at this point is that the card you cut to, I guess, is in there. Okay. For now, so. And actually, if you want to, you can shuffle these into them as well.

[Jamie]

I can shuffle those into them if you want. I wouldn't mind doing that.

[Nick Mohammed]

Okay, fine. Yeah, yeah, you can do that you sure? Yeah, absolutely. Because what I want you to do in a second, I'm gonna get you to remove your card and you can place it face up, but I want you to also remove three other cards which are kind of like red herrings. So you're gonna try and sort of put me off. I'm gonna try and work out what your card is from what you put down. One of them has to be your card, so you might want to put down the three of clubs with it as well. Or you might want to choose something completely different, like the king of hearts or something. You might throw me off. And I'm going to hopefully be able to tell from the choices that you make here what your.

[Jamie]

So I'm going to pick. How many red herrings do you want?

[Nick Mohammed]

So let's say. Let's do four cards in total, but one of them has to be your card. So three red herrings.

[Jamie]

Three red herrings. Okay. Okay.

[Nick Mohammed]

And you can put them down in any order. You can keep them face down for now if you want, so that there's no kind of sense of I've taken out my first. My card first or a red herring first or anything like that.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Nick Mohammed]

We'll see how this. How this plays out. It is fun doing magic. Oh, my gosh. Do you like it? Do you like watching magic?

[Jamie]

I love it.

[Nick Mohammed]

Do you?

[Jamie]

I absolutely love it.

[Nick Mohammed]

Did Dynamo show you stuff?

[Jamie]

Yeah, he did some amazing things. It's just incredible.

[Nick Mohammed]

No idea how he does that.

[Jamie]

Okay, so here's my. Here's my four cards for three red herrings.

[Nick Mohammed]

So you can. You can present. So you can put them all face up. You can give them a little mix beforehand if you want.

[Jamie]

I'm face them up to you.

[Nick Mohammed]

Okay, thank you very much.

[Jamie]

Here we go.

[Nick Mohammed]

So just move the iPad.

[Jamie]

Move that out of the way.

[Nick Mohammed]

I just move that out of the way.

[Jamie]

So the cards that I'm putting down right here. Queen of spades.

[Nick Mohammed]

Queen of spades. Love it.

[Jamie]

Queen of clubs.

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Jack of clubs.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yep.

[Jamie]

Ace of spades.

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, wow. So that's really good. Like, that is really good. That's very good.

[Jamie]

Why is that so good?

[Nick Mohammed]

Well, it's good because it's sort of like. It shows that you're, like, thinking about. Okay. I. Thinking about how to throw him off. So, for example, this is good because this is obviously the only kind of card that's not a picture card, so that's quite useful. This is obviously the only. You know, that sort of stands out a little bit as well. Cause you've got a pair of queens, but then it makes you think, well, could it be one of those? But is that a red herring in itself? So it's one of these. Yeah. So have I actually got two clubs and two spades? So this is very good.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Okay. I'm glad you like that too.

[Nick Mohammed]

I really, really like it.

[Jamie]

I was gonna do all one of the same, and then I was gonna do like all of them the same, basically.

[Nick Mohammed]

Right. Okay.

[Jamie]

So you wouldn't know what it was like if it was. Let's say it was the three of spades I picked. I was gonna do all threes.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yes. Great. That's another way that happens a lot. But that's good as well. But your way is great because I think there's even more kind of variables in the way that you did it. I want you to. Are you left handed or right handed?

[Jamie]

Right handed.

[Nick Mohammed]

Okay. So with your left hand, can you lower your left hand onto one of these cards? Just onto one of them?

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, yeah. Keep, keep. In fact, pull it to one side, but keep your hand on it. Now, I'm going to tell you that I believe that the card you chose off the back of the things that you showed me was the jack of clubs.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Nick Mohammed]

Is that correct?

[Jamie]

Do I tell you?

[Nick Mohammed]

Yes, yes. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Just because of the things that you did. But let's see.

[Jamie]

Just because of the things I did.

[Nick Mohammed]

But let's see whether you managed to do it as well.

[Jamie]

Do I pick it up? Oh, my God.

[Nick Mohammed]

Isn't that mad? Isn't it mad?

[Jamie]

Isn't mad? What was it like working with David Schwimmer?

[Nick Mohammed]

Absolutely wonderful. He is the most wonderful person. Yeah.

[Jamie]

I mean, in intelligence.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah. I had met him doing an improv, like, workshop thing with Julia Davis, who's brilliant as well. And, and improv like an. Well, it was a. It was, it was a pilot. It was a pilot of Channel 4. But. But particularly the way Julia likes to work. She likes to improvise around like a sort of skeleton script, I guess. And that was really fun and thrilling. And we'd created this pilot which was called Morning has Broken, which was about sort of before the Morning show and before this time with Alan Partridge. So it was, it was, it felt quite like an original idea at the time. It probably wouldn't feel as original now because there's been two other really hit brilliant shows since then. But it was, it was sort of a spoof of kind of the behind the scenes of Morning Telly.

[Jamie]

Frustrating when you pitch that. And then suddenly you see a show

[Commercial Voice 1]

and you're like,

[Nick Mohammed]

but, you know, it happened and it happens. I would be annoyed.

[Jamie]

I knew it would work.

[Nick Mohammed]

And here it is. It happens all the time. I know, but. But it. But it was great fun to do. Really great fun to do. And we had this pilot and the pilot's great, actually. I think you can find it on YouTube. And. And oddly, David ended up just watching it. I think one of the finances of the show was Sony Studios and David was doing some work with them in the States and he. He just got round to just seeing it. I think they just said, oh, you'll find this really funny. It wasn't like. It was not like we'd sent it to him or anything. And then the producer just sort of phoned and said, oh, David Schwimmer really likes the show. He'd like to call. Literally he just wants to call you and talk to you about it. And I was like, what? And I remember just taking this call and I think Finn had just been born. I remember this is your oldest, our eldest. Yeah. And I remember turning the phone to Becca so she could like, hear that. It was like, it's Ross from Friends. Ross, because he's got such a kind of iconic voice as well. And, you know, who hasn't of our generation, like, grown up watching Friends and. And so it's absolutely mad. But it is that thing of, you know, there's that sort of thing, well, don't meet heroes, but do if they're nice as Schwinn, because he was so nice. And a. The fact that he said, oh, yeah, I'll do that. So we got on really well. I should say so we got on really well. That show Morning was broken. Didn't happen. But he just sort of said, oh, if you ever have an idea for a show that could allow for, like an American coming in and not feeling sort of too shoehorned, just let me know. And I was like, like, I'm sure he says that to everyone. I'm sure that can't be right. And then about a year later, I had a script commission from Expectation Entertainment, who produced the show, and I wanted to write this idea of a sitcom set at gchq. So it's just these sort of oddball characters, but you've got these huge stakes of national security. I found that quite a funny. Just sort of marrying of two ideas. It is funny and just sort of automatically funny that there are sort of these sort of slightly awkward people dealing with this really serious stuff. And then I thought, well, actually it's not too like alien to have this idea that an NSA agent might be kind of coming on almost like a sabbatical to work with gchq, you know, the equivalent organization in the States. And so I just sort of sent him like, I think literally like a one page treatment, not even a script. And he's like, oh yeah, when we filming it. And I was like, well, it hasn't been commissioned. And then I wrote a script and then it went to series. And so, yeah, it was just wonderful. Just really kind of organic and nice.

[Jamie]

Because you've now, you've produced a lot, you've written a lot, you've starred in a lot. Like, are you comfortable with being yourself on stage or performing as a character?

[Nick Mohammed]

Well, no, as a character. Infinitely more.

[Jamie]

Why though?

[Nick Mohammed]

I just find it funny. I just don't think anyone wants to hear me. Like, I'm not as funny as me. Like if I'm Swallow, you know, it's just instantly kind of more characterful and interesting and entertaining. Like it. Just because this is Mr.

[Jamie]

Swallow, your character.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah, yeah. So I just find that you disassociate yourself almost.

[Jamie]

You become the character, which means you

[Nick Mohammed]

can just be completely really. It was really. It's really weird now because I've been doing it for so long, so it's so Show Pony, which is the tour that finishes next week actually. But I just shot a special for it that NBC Universal are producing and so it'll end up on Netflix or up north somewhere at some point later in the year probably. And we shot it in Leeds because the character is from Leeds and the character is based on an impression of a school teacher I did at high school. So, you know, I've done that voice, you know, since I was 15. You know, I've impersonated this teacher since then. So I mean, can we hear a bit of Mr.

[Jamie]

Swallow?

[Nick Mohammed]

Well, yes. So, you know, he kind of talks like that and, you know, just sort of got that attitude of just being like. And. And she. So she's a she. So she. She. So it's quite camp. But it's only because I'm sort of being her. Like there's no innuendo in it or anything.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Nick Mohammed]

So but it is just, you know, like, you know, sort of like that a lot and. And obviously, hopefully that is very different to who I am.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Nick Mohammed]

As an individual. And so it became weirdly.

[Jamie]

Does the teacher know it's based on her?

[Nick Mohammed]

I don't think she ever did. She sadly passed away about 10 years ago. But no, I don't. I categorically don't think. And there have been teachers who taught me around that time who've come to see the show when I've been up in Leeds, really. And they're all over. So who's this? But yeah, she taught us GCSE English and she was outrageous. And show pony is basically about her. It's about her being a show pony, like, using teaching as a platform to show off, which was what she was clearly a frustrated performer. Like a wannabe, which.

[Jamie]

So many teachers completely. He knows so many teachers.

[Nick Mohammed]

It's like a real. Like, have you ever seen Summer heights high? Like Mr. G. Like, it was so. I mean, she didn't teach us. She taught us English rather than drama, but she just liked the sound of her own voice. And she would stomp in and just be like, right, we're gonna have a debate about capital punishment. And we're like, why? Like, why? Why are we. And out of nowhere, and it's just because she suddenly had this view about capital punishment. She needed to get off her chest. And we're gonna.

[Jamie]

What would Mr. Swallow say? That's like. That is.

[Nick Mohammed]

Honestly. But it's real. I swear, I'm not making it up. That is real. And my mates, who are like my best mate Lou, who I like, was like, from, like middle school. I've known him since I was like eight.

[Jamie]

He.

[Nick Mohammed]

When Becca and I got married, he was my best man and he toasted this teacher and named her. I've never named her, but, like, toasted her. Because he was like. He says, I owe my whole career and life to her. Because he says, without that voice and without that attitude. But he witnessed all the same things that I talk about in, like, my shows, because we were all just there. We all just, like lived through that incredible experience.

[Jamie]

It's amazing that when you. When you get a character like that and you can disassociate yourself. Disassociate yourself. So you become the character and then the character can say and do anything.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yes.

[Jamie]

Without you becoming self conscious almost.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yes, yes.

[Jamie]

And so, yeah, performing as someone, something or someone else is better.

[Nick Mohammed]

Well, it's weird. The weirdest thing I found. So literally at the weekend we were recording, we went back to my old school to record some, like, talking heads. Me in character as talking heads. As if it's like a bit of a documentary as well, which were into sort of kind of intercutting with the live show, I think. And so we were in my old form classroom and brilliant live producer Owen Donovan from Burke's Nest. He was. We needed like an eyeline for the cause. It was as if it was like an off camera interviewer. So he was just sort of sat there for the eyeline but I was sort of chatting to him like this, like this. And then Sonny would kind of go into it and he had to keep a straight face because he knows if he laughed I would laugh and would like ruin the take. But I just realized that it is really weird. Like it is really weird to kind of. Because I get so in it that I will look at him and I'm making eye contact but I'm making eye contact with him as someone else. And that is what. Because it is different to me. Is it really if I'm Swallow, even though it looks like me and you know I don't put a wig on

[Jamie]

or can you riff totally as Swallow then?

[Nick Mohammed]

So you could totally riff and anything. And now I've just got a phone. My phone notes are just if something happens, I often think of the reaction that Mr. Swallow will say and it's often inappropriate, not rude or on the edge. But it's not just, it's not. It's the wrong thing to say. But I'll write it down because it'll make me laugh and so I'll just have like phone notes of ideas and things like that.

[Jamie]

So what would Swallow say about like the football World Cup?

[Nick Mohammed]

Couldn't care less. Like just not just not interested, you know, just wouldn't understand it.

[Jamie]

So good.

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[Jamie]

Nick, listen, thank you so much. Thank you for entertaining millions of us.

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh God. Like you really do.

[Jamie]

And just so many things you've done and giving us your time today. You, you're beyond great company. So thank you so much. We like to finish the show with eight quick fire questions.

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh great. Eight, eight, eight. Okay.

[Jamie]

Are you ready for this?

[Nick Mohammed]

I'm ready, yeah.

[Jamie]

What's the saying or phrase that makes you smile or cheers you up?

[Nick Mohammed]

Well, it's a Ted Lasso phrase and it's be curious, not judgmental. And I do think it is a very good one that if at any point I feel myself judging, even if it's just in my head, I'm like judging something or a situation or personal something. I'm just like, hang on, just think about maybe why they're being like that or why this has come about and just trying to try and step. I think that's a really good one.

[Jamie]

We didn't even mention the fact that you're a two time Emmy nominated actor. Nominated actor.

[Nick Mohammed]

Well, it's. I mean, I sort of can't believe it. So it's fine that we don't mention it. I'll tell you what, when I found

[Jamie]

out that it's all for Ted Lasso,

[Nick Mohammed]

we haven't really even touched on Ted Lasso.

[Jamie]

That little Ted Lasso Show, Season 4

[Nick Mohammed]

out August, I found out that I got nominated for Miami when I was having my first Covid vaccination. Like literally I was walking in to the point where I wanted to tell the person administering the job and then just thought it'd be really worse. I've been nominated for an Emmy. I've just been nominated for an Emmy. I mean, that is proper imposter. I cannot believe that that was mad.

[Jamie]

Was it mad?

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah. And also like, kind of like, I don't necessarily feel like I've earned that. Like, I think that everyone got really weird. I mean, maybe season two, season one, I'm like, I just Got really lucky, I think. Everyone. Oh, just. Let's just nominate everyone in Ted Lasso kind of thing. But I could not believe it.

[Jamie]

Is it weird, that whole thing?

[Nick Mohammed]

Yes, yes. Because it sort of.

[Jamie]

And when your name comes up in your head, are you thinking it's gonna be me? Well, a little bit.

[Nick Mohammed]

Like, yes and no the first time. Absolutely not. I was just like, I cannot believe I'm even here to witness this. And Brett won, who's brilliant. And I've known Brett since we started doing comedy together at the same time. So I've known Brett for years, and rightly so. He won. He had such a bigger part and did so much more fun and great stuff in it. And then when we both got nominated then the next year and I had as a part. As a role in the show, that was sort of the. When Nate becomes sort of quite dark and it became quite dramatic and stuff. And I was like, I probably. Like, if I were to win, I'd feel far more deserving of this.

[Jamie]

Because you liked it a bit more depth.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yes, a little bit. But I certainly didn't expect to. And I don't know.

[Jamie]

So.

[Nick Mohammed]

But there's possibly. There is. I mean, it's literally just moments before then they. They say. Because they obviously play the clips and you're like, I'm on, you know, I'm screen. You know, people applaud and you kind of then try and judge it by the whoops.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Mohammed]

Because they're playing like little VT clips of everything.

[Jamie]

And yours was loud, the whooping.

[Nick Mohammed]

Well, no, but you're kind of like, well, is that louder than the one that happens for you back? You can't help but be a little bit vain in that. And you can't help also the camera's on you, which is embarrassing. So, like, I'm not thinking about this.

[Jamie]

And is there an element of disappointment? No, you're too good.

[Nick Mohammed]

I would be like, not for. I think. I think there were things, like. I would say the most disappointed I've been in this industry is probably. I've never been nominated for the Comedy award in Edinburgh. And I think it's fair to say that I have been close to being nominated in my head because there's not a set number. They could nominate five or six people. They'd sort of just choose.

[Jamie]

It's called the Perry Awards.

[Nick Mohammed]

It used to be called the Perierre Awards. Yeah. And there's been multiple times when I've gone up to Edinburgh with, I think, good shows and probably got quite close to it. But never, ever been nominated. And that's the one that. If ever there's something that stings, I'm like, oh, why, guys? Come on, nominate me. I really want to. That would have been great. And like. But an Emmy, I was like, I mean, I'm just lucky to even be it. Like, I couldn't believe it's weird about that. To win would have been. I mean, of course I'd be like, that's nuts. But just to be nominated was amazing.

[Jamie]

Best compliment anyone's ever given you.

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, my God. Are you Simon Bird?

[Jamie]

Perfect. Perfect answer. What scares you most about yourself?

[Nick Mohammed]

Slight workaholic. Slight workaholic. As in, I do sometimes struggle to say no because I still have that fear and that sort of has been, I guess, sort of in me. And fear is probably, again, not the right word, but that desire to succeed. And, you know, when you're really grafting and doing Edinburgh and hustling for work and doing open mic spots and stuff like that, you're constantly looking for the next. Next paycheck. And even, you know, now when I'm very lucky and sort of financially comfortable, you know, and, you know, seem to still be working and stuff. So you sort of got to accept the fact that this is what I do for a living and that even though I don't. I literally don't know what I'm doing after July, Like, I genuinely don't. But I've got to hope that there will be something, you know.

[Jamie]

Do you still think that? Do you still think that? Like, how am I doing this?

[Nick Mohammed]

I've got to take this. Yeah, yeah, there's. And again, it's imposter syndrome. But there is still an element of like, well, I probably do need to take. Because, you know, what if I don't have anything else? What if I don't get that audition? What if I don't get this? And what if the series that I'm pitching doesn't get picked up? And so, yeah, so. So there is then a danger that you kind of just keep working and you don't take the sort of time. Time off.

[Jamie]

But yeah, so great to hear that. I think for so many people, that doesn't ever leave you quite good. When was the last time you cried?

[Commercial Voice 2]

Oh,

[Nick Mohammed]

not for. Cause often I'll just cry at anything, but. But weirdly, not for a while. It would have been probably.

[Jamie]

Do you cry at movies, TV shows?

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, yeah. I was gonna say it would have been. It would have been telly.

[Jamie]

What's something you can't let go Of.

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, what can I not let go of?

[Jamie]

Have you had a role that you didn't get in your life?

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, I see. What can I not let go of?

[Jamie]

There might be nothing. Not winning the. Not winning the. The.

[Nick Mohammed]

Well, it's just more not even being nominated. So maybe that's the one. Yeah, that's. That's it. Unfinished business there. And now I'm not eligible. It's really annoying.

[Jamie]

What's your guilty pleasure?

[Nick Mohammed]

Made in Chelsea. I'm not joking.

[Jamie]

Are you serious?

[Commercial Voice 2]

Yeah.

[Nick Mohammed]

More recently, my wife and I will watch it. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Yeah, I've been watching it recently, so. It's so good.

[Nick Mohammed]

It's great. It's really, really good. Unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do. It is our guild's pleasure. And we're like, when's the next one? When's the next one? And we're like, are they going away in the summer holidays? We want to watch that. So, yeah, go back to Corsica.

[Jamie]

Whatever happened, that was just phenomenal. Criminal. What turns you off?

[Nick Mohammed]

Rudeness. Yeah, just rude rudeness. I mean, it is one thing I cannot understand. And, you know, this industry, as in this industry, is. Is definitely surrounded by its healthy share of rude people.

[Jamie]

And I find it shocking when I meet people within this industry who continue to do well and I'm just like,

[Nick Mohammed]

no, it's really disappointing because it's slightly rewarded, you know, certainly when you get kind of quite. I think. I think this is of. I'm not at this stage by any means, but when. When certain actors get to a certain level and. Yeah, and at the end of day, it's still pretend. You could be doing it, you could be playing whatever role and it could be serious and it could be upsetting, but it's still pretend. And it's an absolute luxury to be doing this and getting paid that amount. I mean, it still is correct. So to them, be. To be rude. I'm like, oh, it really doesn't.

[Jamie]

But I think it comes round at some point.

[Nick Mohammed]

I hope so. But. And there are elements within the industry where. Where, you know, where people, like, I'm you. We just don't want to work with this person because.

[Jamie]

Have you seen it firsthand?

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Particularly when I was first starting out. But I've seen it more recently like that and that now I feel obviously a lot more comfortable to call it out. But there were definitely. There was definitely a time at the start of my career in telly where I was working with someone who. Who will remain nameless. I can tell you off her, but Was at the height of the height of them kind of breaking through. And they were notoriously rude and it was gross. It was just like watching a school bully and undoubtedly stemmed from insecurity, as it always does. But it's just like, oh, come on. Like really. And I wish I'd had the guts to speak up at that point, but didn't because I was sort of too junior. But you know, there were other more senior people there who were also letting it fly. And it's just a bit like, what

[Jamie]

terms are you on?

[Nick Mohammed]

Sense? A few. Humor.

[Jamie]

100%.

[Nick Mohammed]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

What do you like most about yourself?

[Nick Mohammed]

My body.

[Jamie]

I was gonna. It was on the tip of my tongue.

[Nick Mohammed]

My really sexy body.

[Jamie]

Do you know what? It's my looks and my face, my

[Nick Mohammed]

big nose, my short station, my fat, stubby hands. I mean, what's not to like? My moles.

[Jamie]

I think you're beautiful.

[Nick Mohammed]

Thank you.

[Jamie]

No, what is it? What do you think it is?

[Nick Mohammed]

Oh, it's difficult. You can't answer that.

[Jamie]

You said you have to, you have to.

[Nick Mohammed]

I mean, I'd like to think that I, I can get on with a lot of people. Like I've always liked, like just, you know, had lots of kind of friends or like colleagues and stuff like where it's always just fun and like, you know, lots of different groups of people to kind of just chat to and offload to and tell stories about like so I enjoy kind of, I guess that.

[Jamie]

Nick, thank you so much for coming.

[Nick Mohammed]

Thank you for having me.

[Jamie]

Incredible. You're the best company. Thank you so much.

[Nick Mohammed]

Thank you very much. Thank everybody. Thank you for having me.

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[Nick Mohammed]

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[Jamie]

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