VOGUE WILLIAMS: Debunking Divorce Rumours, S*x Parties & Spencer’s Wild Proposal

Summary

Great Company with Jamie Laing: Vogue Williams - Debunking Divorce Rumours, Sex Parties & Spencer’s Wild Proposal
Episode Date: May 26, 2026

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Overview

In this lively and candid episode, Jamie Laing sits down with longtime friend and media personality Vogue Williams. The conversation traverses a range of personal and professional topics: her marriage to Spencer Matthews, tackling tabloid rumors, honest reflections on miscarriage and grief, navigating family life, growing up in Ireland during a seismic cultural shift, and the chaos of child-rearing. They also share lighthearted stories about sex parties, Spencer’s infamous Lion King proposal, and playfully rib each other about childhood misadventures and relationship quirks. Vogue opens up about finding resilience, self-confidence, and what real partnership means to her.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Marriage with Spencer Matthews: Teamwork & Surviving Rumors

• Teamwork in Parenting

  • Vogue emphasizes being best friends with Spencer and supporting each other while raising kids and maintaining their individual careers.
  • “We’re a good team with the kids… He gets such satisfaction out of what he does, and I think both of us make that still accessible to each other.” (05:11)

• Debunking Divorce Rumors

  • Persistent tabloid stories about their relationship being “on the rocks” have impacted her, especially during pregnancy.
  • “Even when we were on holidays there, it was like, ‘oh, they’re making amends on this holiday.’ I’m like, making amends from what? Where’s that come from?” (10:13)
  • Vogue is protective over her kids reading such articles and shares how the rumors can be “quite upsetting.” (10:43)

2. “Spencer Matthews or Psychopath?”: A Running Joke

• Jamie and Vogue play a tongue-in-cheek game, using quotes to determine if they’re from Spencer or a fictional psychopath.
  • Examples include:
    • “My hero has always been myself.” (07:22)
    • “Being comfortable is terrible. It’s detriment to growth.” (08:13)
  • Vogue teases Spencer’s lack of self-doubt, joking about his self-assurance and quirks.
  • “He was like, ‘Why would I change anything?’ …I had this list as long as my arm.” (07:26)

3. Navigating Public Scrutiny & Managing Negativity

• Impact of Public Opinion
  • Vogue reflects on being in the public eye and her strategies for handling online negativity.
  • “If you see loads of stuff…it’s relentless. No one can really just shield themselves from…absolutely.” (08:57)
  • She sometimes contacts trolls’ relatives to call them out. (09:27)

4. Loss, Grief, and Resilience

• Miscarriage

  • Vogue candidly shares her miscarriage experience, highlighting the isolation and shame many feel, and the importance of open conversation.
  • “You just feel like your whole body’s just failed you… But why not you? Because it happens all the time.” (11:17)
  • She waited to announce her next pregnancy until a late stage, wanting to protect both herself and her kids. (12:15)

• Losing Her Father

  • Vogue’s father was chronically ill, making his death less of a shock but leaving a lasting mark.
  • “He was sick for my whole life...I was lucky to get him till we did...He was young—he was 68.” (40:19, 41:40)
  • Coping mechanism: she “ran away to Australia” and processed the grief in her own time. (42:50)

5. Childhood, Family, and Growing Up Irish

• Vogue describes growing up in Howth, Ireland, in a split family at a time when divorce had only just become legal—an unusual circumstance that forged a close bond with her sister.
  • “We grew up in a time where divorce was just over the line…the whole country had voted against divorce before this. And then…51% of people voted in favor of divorce. 49% of the country thought that no one should be allowed to get divorced. It was mad.” (25:45)
• Stories of her mum working three jobs and quirky childhood antics, like being dropped off at parties by bike or stealing money from her dad’s drawer. (27:41–31:30)
• On early rebellion: sneaking alcohol with her sister, getting into trouble, and formative experiences that built resilience.

6. Divorce & Growth

• Honest reflections on public divorce with Brian McFadden:
  • “It’s quite humiliating…Just feeling like, what a big failure. And now I look back and I’m like, God, it wasn’t really…It’s not. That’s worrying too much about other people’s opinions.” (48:51–50:07)
• Jamie and Vogue both discuss initial embarrassment and how perspective changes with time.

7. Spencer’s Wild Lion King Proposal

• Hilarious retelling of Spencer’s elaborate—if awkward—West End Lion King engagement plan, including Vogue’s bemused reaction.
  • “He thought they were gonna let him in the middle of the show, do it. And they were like, no, it’s a West End show…That’s why we had the backstage viewing. Poor Spen. I was like, why didn’t he just take me to Howth? The cliffs in Howth is like my favorite place.” (17:33)

8. Parenthood & Managing Chaos

• The realities of juggling multiple kids and the exhaustion and joy it brings.
  • “Once you get past three, you could have 15…it wouldn’t matter…My life is over now.” (19:04)
• Comparing her own pragmatic Irish upbringing—making sandwiches, swimming in swamps—to her kids’ lives. (20:32)

9. Handling Anxiety

• Vogue discusses a period of severe anxiety and how she managed it (sleep, avoiding alcohol, beta blockers).
• “You have to find the main triggers of it…For me, it’s not drinking…I don’t really like the taste of alcohol, but…could be like, three days of me being anxious then, and I can’t bear it.” (57:04)

10. Career & Podcasts

• On her transition to documentary work, including making hard-hitting films on the US prison system and sex clubs.

  • “I did one on the prison system in America…Mad…Some…robbed a car when they were younger and they got 20 years…For making a stupid mistake.” (53:13–54:08)
  • Recounts attending a sex party for a documentary and the unglamorous setting. (55:17–56:48)

• Podcasting as Career-Changer:

  • “It changed both of our careers. I’d say it changed the way people thought about me as well…With a podcast, you’re just being yourself.” (59:53)

11. Light-hearted Fare: Hall Passes, School Mischief, and Quickfire Round

• Hall Pass Game

  • Vogue: “Oh, Skepta.” (61:51)
  • Jamie: “My hall pass is Dakota Johnson.” (64:00)

• Quickfire Insights (65:02 onwards)

  • Favourite phrase: “Those who mutter don’t mind. And those who mind don’t matter.”
  • Best compliment: “That you’re a good mother.”
  • Biggest fear: Death.
  • Guilty pleasure: “Watching rubbish TV…reality TV…the Kardashians.”
  • What turns her on: “Organizing.”
  • Funeral song request: “Dr. Dre’s album 2001.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “My wife and best pal, Vogue…She changed my life for the better, completely made me realize a few things about myself…She’s the most exceptional mother. Beautiful heart, beautiful soul.” (Spencer Matthews, 13:06)
• “If you see loads of [negative comments]…it’s relentless…No one can really just shield themselves.” (Vogue, 08:57)
• “You just feel like your whole body’s failed you…You’re on your own and…I can’t believe. Why me? Why me?” (On miscarriage, 11:17)
• “I’d give birth 10 times instead of having to do the pregnancy…Everyone is so nice to you when you’re giving birth. The gas and air is tremendous.” (21:36)
• “We grew up in a time where divorce was just over the line…the whole country had voted against divorce before this.” (25:45)
• “I think the best thing you can do when you break up with somebody is just be single for a while…To learn how to enjoy being by myself again.” (47:32)
• “I just think it must be exhausting [putting on a front]…I couldn’t really put on a front of what I’m actually like…it would just take too much effort and too much time.” (22:51)

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Important Timestamps

• 05:09 – Marriage as partnership; communication with Spencer
• 06:00 – “Spencer Matthews or Psychopath?” game
• 10:06 – Tabloid rumors and their personal impact
• 11:16 – Coping with miscarriage, openness around it
• 15:03 – Spencer’s Lion King proposal story
• 19:02 – Realities of life with four children
• 25:45 – Divorce in Ireland, family background
• 40:19 – Losing her father, approach to grief
• 48:51 – Divorce and public humiliation
• 53:13 – Documentary work: US prisons and sex party experiences
• 57:04 – Managing anxiety, triggers, and solutions
• 59:05 – Podcasting with Joanne McNally & career impact
• 61:51 – Hall pass game
• 65:02 – Quickfire round: beliefs, fears, pleasures

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Tone and Style

The episode is playful, honest, and at times deeply reflective. Jamie and Vogue’s rapport makes for a dynamic, engaging listen, balancing laugh-out-loud moments with frank discussions about loss, resilience, vulnerability, and reinvention. Listeners will come away appreciating the “real” Vogue—self-aware, direct, and always up for a bit of mischief, but with a strong underpinning of warmth, loyalty, and grounded perspective.

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This summary delivers a cohesive, engaging reconstruction of the conversation, highlighted by rich quotes, clear topics, and time references for ease of exploration.

Transcript

[Jamie]

You ready for this?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, God.

[Jamie]

What do you love about Spence? Do you communicate well? What turns you on?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, no.

[Jamie]

Jamie, you went to a sex party.

[Vogue Williams]

I went to a sex party.

[Jamie]

When was the last time you cried? Who's your hall pass? Who's Spence? Hall pass?

[Vogue Williams]

You asked him.

[Jamie]

I can't wait.

[Vogue Williams]

Hi, I'm Vogue Williams, and I'm in great company. Hello, everybody, and welcome.

[Jamie]

We believe Spencer's a psychopath.

[Vogue Williams]

Right? There's a dodgy something.

[Jamie]

We have a game which is called Spencer Matthews a psychopath.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, that sounds like something Spanny would say.

[Jamie]

That's a psychopath. I'm so sorry about the miscarriage.

[Vogue Williams]

I know. Yeah. Do you just feel like you're. Like your whole body's just failed you? You're on your own and, like. I can't believe. Why me? Why me?

[Jamie]

The articles that came out saying that your relationship was on the rocks and blah, blah, blah.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, my God, they still are. Even when we were on holidays there, it was like, oh, they're making amends on this holiday. I'm like, making amends from what? Like, where has that come from?

[Jamie]

There was a big turn in your life, right? Because at 22, 23, your dad passed away.

[Vogue Williams]

He's had two heart attacks in two days.

[Jamie]

But how did you process the grief?

[Vogue Williams]

I think I didn't. I kind of ran away to Australia. I just wanted to get away from the sadness.

[Jamie]

I remember when Spen said he was going to propose to you.

[Vogue Williams]

You let him do that proposal. So have you seen our engagement pictures? Starting with, thank you, Jamie. That was so fun.

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[Jamie]

Well, hello everybody. Welcome back to Great Company. Thank you so much for coming back. Okay, I've got a few things to tell you before we start the show. Firstly, tell you who our guest is. It's Vogue Williams. She's a great friend of mine. She's married to one of my oldest, greatest friends, Spencer Matthews. I've had Spencer on the show before and now it was Vogue's tone. She just recently announced she's having a full fourth baby, so she's pregnant again, which is incredible and amazing and exciting. Now, I've asked VO to come on the podcast a lot of times and she's always kind of said maybe not now, maybe a little bit later. She's finally said yes, and we're going to talk about so many things. We talk about Spencer, her husband, her life growing up in Hoath in Ireland, the fact that her father died when she was in her early 20s. Anxiety, work, divorce. It's all in there. So get ready for this because it's going to be amazing. And before we start, I want to ask you two things. Firstly, if you haven't subscribed to our show, please do join the amazing community of incredible people who are already Following Great Company, it means we can keep making better shows for you that deliver great guests because that's what we're here to do. And secondly, if you haven't already listened to my other show with my wife, newly parents, you can go and check that out as well. Okay, here we go. Enjoy this great episode of Great Company with Vogue Williams. What do you. What do you love about Spencer?

[Vogue Williams]

I think deep down, because we're best friends before everything, we're a good team with the kids and everything. And like, I think when you become parents, like, I didn't want to lose myself completely either. I still wanted to do what I want to do. I love my job. I love working. I get such satisfaction out of my work. He gets such satisfaction out of what he does. And I think that both of us makes that still accessible to each other and communicate well. We commute. We do a lot better now. I think, like, if I wanna. I was back in Ireland at the weekend, the last two weekends. He started to smell a rash because I was spending additional time there because I was like, I'll just have a lie in before I go home. He, like, will then, like, deal with everything at home. And then like, when he wants to go off and do something, then I deal with everything at home. And I just think it's nice to have that kind of support from your partner.

[Jamie]

We believe Spen's a psychopath. Right?

[Vogue Williams]

There's a touch of something.

[Jamie]

There's a touch of something.

[Vogue Williams]

He's so. Isn't he just like the maddest person to kind of watch sometimes?

[Jamie]

I've said this before. People ask me, if you could put a GoPro on someone's head and they didn't know it was on their head, I would be him.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you ever watch him Sometimes. And I'm like, who are you talking to? Like. Cause he'll be beside me and we'll be going for a walk. And he's like. And I'm like, who are you talking to? And he's like. And he'll tell me who he's talking to. In his head. It will be a person, like. And he'll be like, thinking about a conversation that's going to happen later. But I can just see him like this in the odd hand move.

[Jamie]

I know your dog doing his head, preempting it. That's very psychopath. Okay, so we have a game which is called Spencer Matthews or psychopath. Okay, I'm going to read some sentences. You have to decide if it's Spencer who said it or it's a psychopath.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay.

[Jamie]

You ready for this?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Okay. Is this Spencer a psychopath? What if my problem wasn't that I don't understand people, but I just don't like them?

[Vogue Williams]

That sounds like something Spenny would say.

[Jamie]

That's a psychopath. Is this Spencer a psychopath? The two emotions that I feel are greed and disgust.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, please let that be a psychopath. It's Oddsman.

[Jamie]

It's Spencer. Yeah, send it to me this morning. But it's actually a quote. And then he went, actually, that's a quote from a movie. But, yeah, send it to me.

[Vogue Williams]

That's from American Psycho or something like that.

[Jamie]

My hero has always been myself.

[Vogue Williams]

That sounds like Sven.

[Jamie]

It's Sven.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. I asked him the other day, I was like, let's play a game. What would you change about yourself? And he was like, what? And I was like, well, what would you change about yourself physically, like, we'll do physically for us? And he's like, nothing. And I'm like, nothing, Nothing. I had this list as long as my arm. I'm like. He's like, why would I change anything? Why would I chat like that? Yeah, your height.

[Jamie]

No. Spencer. Psychopath. Do you have any idea how crazy you sound?

[Vogue Williams]

Psychopath.

[Jamie]

That's a psychopath. Pain is essential.

[Vogue Williams]

That sounds like Spenny telling you. Running chat. Is he telling you something about running?

[Jamie]

Spencer? I'm not a fan of being told what to do.

[Vogue Williams]

That doesn't sound like him.

[Jamie]

That's Spenny. Yeah, that's Spenny.

[Vogue Williams]

I thought that sounded more like me.

[Jamie]

Being comfortable is terrible. It's detriment to growth.

[Vogue Williams]

That's like something Spenny read in one of the three books he's ever read.

[Jamie]

Spencer, Last one. I don't understand how words can get such a reaction from people. I don't care.

[Vogue Williams]

That sounds like him.

[Jamie]

That's a psychopath.

[Vogue Williams]

Is it? But he doesn't care. Like, if someone slags him off, he doesn't care. You know, sometimes you'd be like, ooh, that hurt a bit.

[Jamie]

Yeah, he doesn't have that. Like, whatever it is.

[Vogue Williams]

I'd love to have that, though. To not care what people think about me.

[Jamie]

But do you have that?

[Vogue Williams]

No, not really. I do. I don't like people being mean about me.

[Jamie]

Really?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Because you have this strong, like, yeah, shell. Right. That means. But then you get upset when people.

[Vogue Williams]

I try to avoid comments. Like, I mean, it's. You see the odd thing, and I don't really care. But, like, if you see loads of stuff. Sometimes it's just like. It kind of just. It's like, no one can really just shield themselves from. Absolutely. Like, you shouldn't read it. But, like, if you read it, it's like, oh, my God. It's just. It's relentless. And you, like, comes from people that you don't even know as well. It's so weird.

[Jamie]

So this. We're talking about comments and Daily Mail things and stuff like that, right?

[Vogue Williams]

You do well in them. If I ever want to cheer myself up, I'll read yours.

[Jamie]

Mine are terrible.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, but, like, these are people that have time to sit at home and, like, comment things. Do you know what I mean? Like, I had this woman mail me. She was mailing me all this awful stuff, and eventually I just mailed some of her family that were like. Because I could tell by her second name because it was her own account. And I just was like, this person is sending me this. So that's my new way about it.

[Jamie]

What were they saying?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, just, like, awful things about, like, the way I looked and, like, just mad stuff about myself that wasn't even true. It's some idiot, I know, but some. I'll ignore it most of the time, but if it's an actual person and not, like, a boss or something, I'm like, okay, this is just a little bit weird. And I'll just. I'll, like, that's what I. That's what I did the last time. It's a good thing to do.

[Jamie]

I. You know, like, all the articles that came out saying that your relationship was on the rocks, and.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, my God, they still are.

[Jamie]

But why do they.

[Vogue Williams]

So they were coming out when Spen and I were. Remember when we were chatting about it last summer? Sven and I were in the process of buying our new house, and I was like, this is just so strange. And even when we were on holidays there in St. Barts, we hadn't announced our pregnancy yet. It was like, oh, they're making amends on this holiday. I'm like, making amends from what? Like, where has that come from?

[Jamie]

Because I remember, and I was talking to Spen about it, right? And he was saying, it's actually becoming quite upsetting now that so many people are writing this crap.

[Vogue Williams]

That really upset me because I was like, I don't want my baby, like, being born. And, like, growing up and reading something like that. That's absolutely not true. And for us to have been trying for so long and to find finally be at this point. I know, but like, that's what.

[Jamie]

It's.

[Vogue Williams]

Like that's kind of what you have to deal with, and it's not all the time. And I get that. Like, there's give and take as well, but. But, like, it's just. I don't. I don't know where it comes from. I think it. I think it's just an interesting line to go with us putting their marriage crisis behind them. I'm like, what?

[Jamie]

I'm so sorry about the miscarriage.

[Vogue Williams]

I know. Yeah. But that, like, genuinely. It happens to so many people. I know, like, two out of three. And the reason I. I spoke about it was because I remember, like, when it happened, like, not that I wanted it to happen to other people, but, like, seeing other people talk about it. I was like, okay, is because you just feel like you're like your whole body's just failed you. You're on your own. And, like, you can't believe. Why me? Why me? But why not you? Because, like, it happens all the time. It happens, like, every, like, a two out of three.

[Jamie]

I know. It's crazy. The. The statistics are really, really high.

[Vogue Williams]

It's really high.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Like, I've had friends that have had extremely late miscarriages. And I look at that, and I'm like, that would be the most difficult thing in the world. So you just kind of have to move forward with this.

[Jamie]

But then I imagine also when there's press and all articles and all these different things, and so when you speak about it, you're just like, well, what are the press gonna say? What are all these people gonna say? And then you have to manage that as well. Where most people can sort of do this in their private life, I didn't

[Vogue Williams]

speak about it at the time at all. And then only. Only when. Like, now. But even with this pregnancy, I was like, I just don't want to say it. Like, we got to a really late stage. And I was like, it's. It's starting to get obvious now. Like, it's. People are starting to talk about it. And so I was like, right, we're gonna have to announce it. And I got to this stage where I was like, okay, I. That were able to announce it now because I didn't want to tell the kids till really late either. And because of the last time. But I didn't tell them the last time. I was literally about to tell them, and I wanted to wait till that scan.

[Jamie]

How did they take it?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, they're so excited. Well, Otto currently wants to get back into my stomach he's like, I want to get back in. I'm like, not now.

[Jamie]

I actually asked Ben to send you a voice note.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay.

[Jamie]

I said to Spencer, can you send me a voice note about Vogue? And I gave him no brief. I didn't say anything. I said, can you send a voice note? Because I think it'd be nice to play to you. So this is what he said.

[Spencer Matthews]

So my wife and best pal, Vogue, she changed my life for the better, completely made me realize a few things about myself and that change was really needed in order to be a good enough person to deserve her. I'll always be very thankful for that. She's the most exceptional mother. Beautiful heart, beautiful soul. The mother side to her is a thing of beauty. You should see her in action with the kids. Always puts them first, Loves them with every inch of her. Misses them when she's away from them for, you know, hours. And a deeply caring and beautiful individual. Strong, independent, powerful, gorgeous woman. I feel lucky every single day to be married to her.

[Vogue Williams]

Very nice of Spino. He's very romantic, though. He's very in touch with his emotions and how he feels about people. But we feel like that about each other. We just find really lucky that, like, you are lucky to find somebody that you can, like, grow, like, grow with. Like, we've grown a lot together. I don't. I'm gonna start the rumors again. Eight years. Is it nine?

[Jamie]

Is it nine? Eight years.

[Vogue Williams]

When was it?

[Jamie]

Oh, my God, he was 29.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. And, like, I mean, that's young.

[Jamie]

And you've been. And listen, and the most. You've been through everything together. And, like, Spence being so open about, like, drinking and. And all that, and it's just a whole thing that you've been through, which is amazing.

[Vogue Williams]

Like, you do grow up with each other. Like. But, like, he was 29. Oh, my God. Yeah. He was young when I met him. Like, that's really young to be getting mar especially.

[Jamie]

And also, I don't want to separate, but, like, being a guy in 29, like, living in London, it's young.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean, he was like a mad joke when I met him.

[Jamie]

I remember when Spen said he was going to propose to you.

[Vogue Williams]

You let him do that proposal? You let him take me to the Lion King.

[Jamie]

Wait, can you. I'm going to describe it first, right? And then you can describe it.

[Vogue Williams]

You knew about it?

[Jamie]

I fucking knew.

[Vogue Williams]

Where did you lay the house?

[Jamie]

Can I just. From my point of view, this is. This is Spencer telling me he was going to propose to you. And I was really. I was like, this is so great, let's go. And he was like, I'm going to propose to her at the Lion King. And I went, that's not a great idea. And he was like, no, I'm gonna do it. And even now when he says to me, he's like, he's like the, the West End production of the Lion King was on and at the end we were going backstage and suddenly I was like next to Simba and Nala and I was getting down on one knee to propose to you and it was so full on.

[Vogue Williams]

He. First of all, can you explain?

[Jamie]

What? Can you explain to me? Give me the whole.

[Vogue Williams]

So, okay, so. No, it actually started from before that. We were up in Scotland in his parents place and he kept wanting to watch the Lion King. And I was like, I don't like the Lion King. Like, I never watched it when I was younger. I kind of like, I liked Beauty and the Beast, but like I'm now like 30, I don't want to watch the Lion King. And he's like, oh God, let's just watch the Lion King. And I was pregnant at the time and so then I fell asleep. He was like, vogue, the Lion King. And I was like, God, he's. Man made the Lion King. And then. So I was like, whatever, I'll ignore it, like. Cause he does. He loves the Lion King.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

And then, and then all of a sudden we get home and he goes, guess what, darling, I got tickets for the Lion King.

[Jamie]

And I was like, this guy's mental.

[Vogue Williams]

He just won't leave it. So I was like, okay, cool, we'll go to the Lion King. And I had really bad morning sickness as well. So we're in the Lion King. And like, not even halfway through, I was like, I think we should go home. I don't feel very well. And he was like, no, darling, I've come. We have a backstage. Backstage meet and greet. So we go backstage and we're introduced to these battered lions who are so wrecked from just doing a two hour performance. And they're like, we've got to meet these plebs. So I was like.

[Jamie]

And they're like, hello. One of them is Spencer. Matthew. He's just been on the jump. This is. This is. I think they're dating. And this is Vogue. Can you just be really nice? Then Spencer has decided he wants to propose. What do you mean he wants to propose to us? Yeah, yeah, he loves it. I don't know if his wife likes it, but they're just excited. So what happens?

[Vogue Williams]

He thought that they were gonna let him in the middle of the show, do it. And they were like, no, it's a West End show. It's a packed audience. We can't just break the show in the middle. So you can. So that's why we had the backstage viewing. Poor spent. I was like, why didn't he just take me to the Howth? The cliffs in Howth is, like, my favorite place. That's where I want to be scattered. And he takes me to the Lion King. Anyway, like, so we're back there, and then.

[Jamie]

I can't wait.

[Vogue Williams]

But then he proposed. But, like, the worst part about it is, have you seen our engagement pictures? Smiling. Oh, it is.

[Jamie]

So who's taking the photo?

[Vogue Williams]

Probably the stage manager who's like, get out there. You've done it. Oh, it does make me laugh.

[Jamie]

After you propose, the weirdest thing is. Oh, we've got. We've got the photo. I'm so sorry. For everyone who's in the podcast, who's listening, you have. We're gonna put up on our socials.

[Vogue Williams]

Google the photo.

[Jamie]

It's fun. We're gonna put it up on our socials. That is so funny. This is your. This is your fourth baby.

[Vogue Williams]

Fourth. I know, man.

[Jamie]

Are you kidding me?

[Vogue Williams]

I know. But, Jamie, once you get past three, you could have 15. It wouldn't matter. Like, my life is over now. My weekend. Everyone's like, what are you doing for the weekend? And I'm like, oh, my God. Think of something fun. Anything interesting. And I'm like, well, I've got football at 11. Then I've got another football at 1245, which is a match. And then we take Gigi to pottery. And then, like, that's my weekends, like, and then Sunday is more football. But, like, it is the greatest thing in the world, but it is the hardest thing in the world.

[Jamie]

But explain, because if you know how hard it is and pregnancy is hard and all that stuff is hard, and it's, like, tiring, and it's exhausting, and it's expensive and blah, blah. So expensive. So expensive. So expensive, man. It's. I'm gonna.

[Vogue Williams]

You haven't even started school. Buckle up, Jamie.

[Jamie]

Fuck it. Can I tell you what happened to me? Apparently my baby needed an osteobath. Right?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, yeah, I did that.

[Jamie]

Okay.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. And, like, no shade, because I don't know if it does work or not.

[Jamie]

I don't know if it works. Z comes in. He's like. He's like, Whatever. Like, four days old or whatever he is. And then the person holds Ziggy and then falls asleep and she's like, see? And I'm like, fucking was like that, like, 10 minutes ago. Like, do you know what, though? Like, what do you mean? And you can charge.

[Vogue Williams]

Revert back to when you were a child.

[Jamie]

I don't. I block it out.

[Vogue Williams]

No, I say you were mental. I know way too many stories about me.

[Jamie]

Mental. Mental. Spanked myself in front of my teddy bears.

[Vogue Williams]

Anyway, back to the osteopath. Yeah. I think that there's things that, like, we did with Theodore when he was first born. And people are like, they've just been birthed and, like, their shoulders are out of place and, like, you need to get their cranium or whatever, like, fixed. And I was straight. My God, I have to go and do this. And then we went and did it and I just. I didn't do it with Gigi and I didn't do it with Otto, and I didn't do it myself. My mom never did think of it. Like, I'm pretty sure I just, like, slept in a box. Like, in Ireland, you were brought up and you were like. Because I was looking at my kids the other day and I was like, what's like, in your sandwiches, guys? And, like, cutting up strawberries and everything. I was like, I was genuinely making my own sandwiches at 8 years old, I swear to God. But I wasn't going anywhere because it's not like my mom paid for a camp. I was just sent outside. My sister and I used to go swimming in a swamp. Like, that's what we did at the weekends.

[Jamie]

You didn't.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, I'm really referral.

[Jamie]

The process of being pregnant is hard. Pregnancy you find, as in the birth part, easy or tough.

[Vogue Williams]

I look forward to it, I have to say. Really, I'd rather, like, be able. If I could skip the pregnancy bit and, like, I'd give birth 10 times instead of having to do the pregnancy birth. Everyone's so nice to you when you're giving birth. It's like, everyone is so nice. The gas and air is tremendous. Did you get to try it?

[Jamie]

I tried. I take it down. It's great.

[Vogue Williams]

I was like. I was at a festival.

[Jamie]

Paris Fury came on and she said she named her baby Prince after doing gas and air. She did gas and air and then was like, I'm going to name. I'm going to name him Prince.

[Vogue Williams]

She is just like. It's like the noise escapes her. She's just so, like, calm in the chaos.

[Jamie]

Me and you've known each other a long time, right? And she reminds me in some way of you. And I promise you that, like, in like the best way.

[Vogue Williams]

That's a compliment.

[Jamie]

It is a complete compliment. She's a complete boss. She says it how it is. She's very entertaining. She's super smart and she doesn't take shit.

[Vogue Williams]

No.

[Jamie]

And when you sit with someone like that. Cause when I'm with you, it's the same vibe. You automatically respect that because you have this sense of just like, this is who I am, this is who I'm gonna be. I don't have time for any other shit because I've got three kids, another one on the way. That's what you're like.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't really play into the bullshit. I don't think anyone should play into the bullshit.

[Jamie]

Yeah, but people do though.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, but like, I just think it must be exhausting. I couldn't really put on a front of what I'm actually like because I think it would just take too much effort and too much time.

[Jamie]

But were you always like that?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, I kind of was. I was always quite self assured. I knew what I wanted and knew what I wanted to do. I dressed up as a model to go to a party when I was like nine, I decided I wanted to be a model. I was rotten as a kid, like, rotten. No one fancied me like all my friends, everyone used to fancy them when we were like 12, 13, I was just. I was like this alien. I was so tall.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Not a tis to the name I would be. So no boys fancied me.

[Jamie]

So you're just like a tall, like

[Vogue Williams]

a tall plank with a huge mate that I hadn't grown into.

[Jamie]

You went to this party as a model because you were like, this is what I want to be. I want to be a model and. But did you. You wanted to be famous, right?

[Vogue Williams]

I wanted to be a TV presenter. I wanted, at one point, I wanted to be a pop star. I used to go around and, I mean, I really can't sing and I used to go to these auditions, but me and my friend would go and like, I couldn't dance. She was a good dancer. At least she had the dancing. And we used to go. I used to do street tap, jazz and funk and all these things. I was so shit. This giant at the back. I used to just kind of hide. But I would go to these auditions and like, the audacity of me showing up and singing, Singing Alicia Keys. What as in falling.

[Jamie]

Yeah, that really hard song without being able to sing. And you were going for that?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, I was just hitting those inerts screaming along. So I was always trying to do, like, things like that because I think

[Jamie]

when I was a kid as well, I loved this idea, and I think that's what led me into, like, whatever we were doing. Now. I love the idea of having the attention on me for whatever reason.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, I was definitely an attention seeker, But I grew up in a family of four, so my mom and dad had three, and then they had my little brother Alexander, my stepdad, and my mom. I don't know if it was looking for attention, because me and my sister were kind of just always up to all sorts. Just like. Yeah, nightmares, but.

[Jamie]

But happy.

[Vogue Williams]

So happy.

[Jamie]

Go and give it to you. Explain it to me, like, so this

[Vogue Williams]

isn't how, like, Amber is my best friend in the whole world.

[Jamie]

And she's so great.

[Vogue Williams]

She's so brilliant. She's so funny. Like, we probably talk about five times a day. She is, I think, closer than a

[Jamie]

sister and always been that way.

[Vogue Williams]

Always been that way. But I think we are so close because I was trying to figure it out because I was like, sisters are close, and sisters are mad about each other, but me and Amber are super close. Like, we're really tight. Like, I'm always like, oh, my God, if I die first, you have to come in with me. I need to be buried with you. I've told Sven. I'm like, sven, I'm not. We're not getting buried together. I'm getting married with Amber. I think it's because growing up, we. Our life was different to everybody else. It's like we grew up in a time where, like, divorce was just. Just over the line.

[Jamie]

In Ireland, this is 95, 96, right?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, the whole country had voted against divorce before this. And then it came up to the divorce referendum again. 51% of people voted in favor of divorce. So 49% of the country thought that no one should be allowed to get divorced. It was mad.

[Jamie]

That is totally mad.

[Vogue Williams]

I know it's crazy. And it wasn't that long ago. So when my mom and dad were together a portion of that time, they weren't legally allowed to get divorced. Like, it was crazy. And then I even remember, like, going into the church, like, we used to go to mass. It was back in the day when everyone used to go to mass, sitting there with my mom. And then the priest started talking about second marriages and how they Were wrong and that it was disgraceful and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Because obviously the priest wasn't in favor of divorce. And my mom, like, stood up and we stormed out of the church. And then she's like, now you can go back there if you want, but I'm not going back. I was. We were like, fuck, yes. We don't have to go back there anymore. And so, like, there was all this weird thing, and we were, like, a very. Like, there was a minority of people whose families were broken up, and ours was one of them. And I think that my mom and dad just didn't get on at all. So, like, we always had each other.

[Jamie]

Did you know that your mom and dad weren't getting on?

[Vogue Williams]

I think I did when I. Cause I was very young at the time, so around five. So I'd, like, obviously you'd hear the arguments and stuff like that, and, like, it was not the greatest time. And I think even at that time, like, the courts were kind of figuring out, like, how do we deal with something like this? So we ended up, like, living with my mom for three weeks and then living with my dad for three weeks.

[Jamie]

I didn't even. That's so wild.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. But I always think, like, fair play to my mom, because she then was working, like, three jobs at one point, bringing us up. So, like, we had this. She was working as an air hostess, and she was, like. She was babysitting for people. And then she was working in a restaurant, and she met my stepdad where she worked in the restaurant. And. And then they got together. We didn't have loads and loads, but, like, I never felt like I didn't have loads.

[Jamie]

She was working three jobs.

[Vogue Williams]

Three jobs at one time.

[Jamie]

That's mad.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I never noticed it. I think the only time I noticed that we had no money was when my mom was dropping me somewhere on a bike, like, to a party. And I remember being a bit embarrassed that she was dropping me. I bring my kids everywhere on my bike. But for some reason, I was like, this is embarrassing. We don't have a car. But she never made mom to fucking

[Jamie]

drop me on the bike.

[Vogue Williams]

Mom, not this shit bike. I remember what that bike looks like. I must have been, like, sixed. What a bitch.

[Jamie]

So what age were you when they got divorced?

[Vogue Williams]

I think I was around seven when they got divorced.

[Jamie]

Do you remember that moment?

[Vogue Williams]

No, you don't? I remember having to live with my mom for three weeks and then live with my dad for three weeks while the courts decided who we would spend the majority of the time with my dad. I didn't want to live with him. I love my dad so much, but, like, he couldn't cook or anything like that. And, like, he just wasn't the right one to live with. Anyway. We got to live with my mom, and then we saw my dad every second weekend on Wednesday, and he never missed it.

[Jamie]

So when my parents got divorced, I remember the exact moment.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you?

[Jamie]

You know, as a kid, when were you sad? You know, as a kid when something bad happens, like, you almost laugh. Cause you don't really know how to react. I remember when my. Your mom telling you, you're like, yeah, yeah. Cause he is.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, my God. How hard for your mom.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it was hard. But I remember we got taken into a room, and it was me, my brother and my two sisters and my daughter. Sisters were maybe 18 and 16 at the time, and they'd already been through a divorce.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, gosh, man.

[Jamie]

So it was heavy, right? And my. All of them came into the room and it was. It's. Looking back at that now, it's like the worst way to do something like that. Because whenever that happens, you feel like first you're being told off. So I was like, am I being told off here? Like, why is. I didn't understand.

[Vogue Williams]

No, but how would you do it? Like, you just kind of want to, I think.

[Jamie]

I don't know. And they said, look, you know, we're getting a divorce. And the only thing I could do was laugh. So I started laughing. My parents, like, fucking. This kid's weird anyway. What's wrong with this kid? And then you walk out and you just go and play. It's like, it doesn't. It's done. And it was so weird until sort of years later when you sort of look back and you go, fucking. I was very much jealous of people who had, like, family still together when I was older.

[Vogue Williams]

But, you see, I wasn't.

[Jamie]

You weren't.

[Vogue Williams]

This sounds terrible, but I was thrilled because.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah, this is good.

[Vogue Williams]

I. My parents did not speak. Like they did not like each other at all. Well, my dad probably liked my mom, but my mom did not like my dad. So I played that so incredibly well. Like, I. I was living the life. Like I was getting, like, loads of shit off my dad. And then telling my mom, oh, I need this. And then my mom would have to buy me something. And then, like, my parents, my mom and Neil were really strict, so I'd be like. I'd ask, could I go to a festival at 16. And they were like, no, you absolutely can't. I'm like, I'm just going to go and stay with dad because I'm going down to my cousin's house this weekend. And off I'd go on a bus to a festival I snuck off to. To where was it? Ben and Medina with my friend when I was 17 with stolen money that I'd robbed off my dad. And then how much money was it? I think I got to pay 600 quid.

[Jamie]

Whoa, what? Wait, wait, hang on. I. Sorry, I thought you were gonna be like 20 quid you stole.

[Vogue Williams]

Jamie, I was going on holidays. Where was I going with 20 quid?

[Jamie]

Sorry, you're fucking. You're arriving to parties on bikes and then stealing 600 quid.

[Vogue Williams]

This is insane. So my dad was a used car salesman. So he never had. He always had loads of cash. And so he'd put his cash in his bedside table and I was like, I'd like sneak my hand around the door and just rub a couple of 50s and then off I'd go.

[Jamie]

And I'd say, more than a couple 50s.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, Jamie, I did it over time. I didn't want him to notice.

[Jamie]

Oh, you slit them out.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

Okay, fine.

[Vogue Williams]

I used to find like notes down the couch. Cause he'd sit there after a few drinks. Cause he was fond of a drink. And he'd sit there and all the money would fall out of his pocket. So it wouldn't just be coins. Sometimes I'd find like notes down there. I'm like, this is amazing.

[Jamie]

Why didn't your mum get on with your dad?

[Vogue Williams]

He was really difficult. Like he would be a difficult person to have to be married to. I would say like he was great crack and we had a great time with him, but like I definitely wouldn't want to be married to him. And now my mom's married to my stepdad and they've been married. God, I'm going to. I can't count over like 37, 38 years maybe. And they just have the best relationship. Like they just want to be with each other all the time.

[Jamie]

That's freaking amazing though.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, no, they, they get on like they have the best relationship.

[Jamie]

Cuz in your. In your book. Big mouth.

[Vogue Williams]

Thank you, Jamie. Nice circle.

[Jamie]

Don't worry.

[Vogue Williams]

Don't worry about it.

[Jamie]

Paperback edition out now. Link in the show description. Yeah, you said your, your dad treated your mom in a way that she didn't deserve.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, because I think she was just like, she was a hard Worker for a long time. She started working quite young as well. And I just. I don't know. I'd say he was just difficult. He was like a big drinker.

[Jamie]

He.

[Vogue Williams]

And I think when anyone's a big drinker, it just makes things difficult for everybody else within their lives. And I think him being like that. Like, he. Like, she was basically doing everything, and she just. I suppose that's when she was on her own. It probably didn't make much of a difference to her, but that's why, even with my stepdad, I'm like, he must have really loved her to, like. Because me and Amber, honestly, we were awful.

[Jamie]

How rebellious were you guys?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, like, anything.

[Jamie]

So, like, give it to me. Like, so, like anything.

[Vogue Williams]

Anything I shouldn't be doing, I was doing anything. And I keep in mind that they were very strict. So, like, I didn't get caught for much. Amber got caught for absolutely everything.

[Jamie]

She feels like the person who would get caught, like, for some reason by

[Vogue Williams]

her school and her school had to call them in. And, like, Amber got caught for absolutely everything. But, like, we used to, like, you'd nick. Drink from your parents at the weekends, and then I'd just go down and, like, you'd have this Dolly mixture. So you get a. Did you used to do that?

[Jamie]

What is it? Dolly mixture is a bag of sweets.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, no, because. So you'd get a bottle, like a 500 mil coke bottle.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

And you'd pour half of it out, and then the other half might be whiskey, gin, vodka. Because you didn't want to take too much of everything. Because they would. No. Then. So we'd fill up our drinks and I'd go meet my friends in the park and just get pissed all day Saturday and then just kind of arrive home like, filthy.

[Jamie]

Panel over from this Dolly mix.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

You never did that. I knew, like, the bears would never know.

[Vogue Williams]

They never knew what me. They knew it ombre.

[Jamie]

So you would. Smoking everything? Yeah, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, yeah. Like, literally anything. I would just.

[Jamie]

And what about boys?

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I was a minger for so long. They weren't on the card. I'm gonna. I'll get you a picture. They weren't on the cards for that long. And then I was always a relationship person. So, like, I. Not that I was a frigid, but, like, I just wasn't. How would you put it?

[Jamie]

You weren't getting around the place. You were getting around.

[Vogue Williams]

I wasn't getting around the place. And now I'm like, I hope I don't regret that on my deathbed and be like, I should have been getting around for it.

[Jamie]

So. Oh my God. So when did you lose your virginity? I don't know if I did it go on Vogue. Sounded so creepy that.

[Vogue Williams]

Where did you not make a video of this?

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's just me saying that. Where the fuck did you lose your virginity?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh my God. What age were you? You were probably.

[Jamie]

I was 15. I didn't know I put my hands on like that I was 15.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm actually. That's not too bad.

[Jamie]

Yeah, 15 was fine, but I didn't know what I was doing. Honestly, I had no fucking clue what I was doing. And the girl that I did it with was like, have you done this before? And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready. Oh yeah, plenty of times. Mine was just like, I just wanted to lose my virginity because I thought

[Vogue Williams]

like, oh, get rid of it. Yeah, I just wanted it.

[Jamie]

It wasn't like a. It wasn't a romantic thing.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh no. I think I was like, I was 18. Oh, you were 18? Yeah, yeah. Boyfriend with a boyfriend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had a boyfriend who was older than me then. I always had boyfriends. Then I met my next long term boyfriend who was my boyfriend for like six and a half years. Then I met my ex husband and that was a long relationship. And then I met Sven. I mean there was a couple in between but like I tried to date before Sven. I really thought I gave it a

[Jamie]

good go, but it didn't quite. Cause I feel like you would be a great dater.

[Vogue Williams]

I just know. Cause I just. I love people. I know. And I love my friends so much. And I do. I have started making new friends like you do. You make natural friends. You make new friends with jobs you're doing. But I just love being around people I know. And I spend so much time around my family and people I know that dating was hard for me because I would just be really immature about it. I'd be like, I don't want to eat in front of them. I even remember when I met Sven, the whole toilet situation. I'd be like, I'm just popping across the road for some tea again and Sveni has no, he's got like. He doesn't like, there's no boundaries with him.

[Jamie]

No.

[Vogue Williams]

So like he had this.

[Jamie]

He had one bathroom, one bathroom in

[Vogue Williams]

his bedroom with a slide here with a sliding door. And I remember.

[Jamie]

I've actually never thought of that. That is actually. So where would you.

[Vogue Williams]

You would go to ouray across the

[Jamie]

road to the cafe across the road. Even a bit more awkward. That was a bit of a small door as well, because weirdly enough, I would live. I live. I live below Spencer in the apartment. So you would go across to the castle.

[Vogue Williams]

Well then, well, the one time I was caught out. Then all of a sudden the sliding do and Sven, he's just standing there and I'm like, Sven, like, this is why I don't want to stay here. You know what he's like? He just kind of stands there because

[Jamie]

he's awkward and weird.

[Vogue Williams]

He doesn't care. So I'm just sitting there like, please don't.

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[Jamie]

But also there was a big turn in your life, right, because at 22, 23, your dad passed away.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Which is. That's at that age as well, when you're kind of coming into life and that's the kind of time when you start to really like, experience life as it is. Then your dad passed away.

[Vogue Williams]

I know. It wasn't massively shocking, was it not? Because he. This is again, I think, why my sister and I were so close. He was sick for my whole life, like as long as I can remember. I remember when I was, I think I was around, I must have been like 10 and being brought in to see him. He'd had two heart attacks in two days. And I just remember going in, I had a Game Boy in my hand and I remember going in to see him and I looked up and I got such a fright that I looked back to head and then I wouldn't look at him again. And he kept trying talk to me and I was just like, I just want to get out of this room. I just remember being pooping because, because he just had loads of tubes and everything and I was really young and I just didn't want to see it. I was like, this is awful, I hate this. But then he was quite sick for, for my, like, he loved smoking. He just, he, like, he died of fun. Like he was always out having a laugh. He used to put butter on his chips. He was so unhealthy. I never saw him do exercise and he used to smoke loads and, and, and he drank. But like, he was always quite sick, like for our whole life. So then, like, then he had a stroke at some point and then like going in to see him with that and like there was loads of stuff all along the way. Like he spent a lot of time in hospital.

[Jamie]

Did you miss him?

[Vogue Williams]

Ah, yeah. I mean, you think of things when, like, even when I met my kids, I'm like, God, he would love to have spent time with my kids. He would have loved coming over to London and like all those kind of things. So you look at things like that and you're like, they're missing out on that. I was lucky to get him till, till we did I mean, he was young when he. I like young now. In today's terms, he was 68.

[Jamie]

The Irish way is like, get up and keep moving. You know, you don't seem to. You don't wallow in pity and also you don't like pity. It's just like, yeah, this happened, he had a good ride. Yeah, whatever. We move on. I miss him. Of course I miss him. I wish I had more, but, you know, you don't. You don't wallow in it.

[Vogue Williams]

Almost, I think a really good way to be, like, a lot of people go through really difficult things in their lives and like, you can either allow those difficult things to kind of make you take a step back and just make you retreat and make you not want to do stuff and just be wallowing in what has happened, or you can choose a different path and just be like, you know what? No, I'm not going to just live my life constantly thinking about this, constantly being like, oh, well, I'm just so sad about this that I can't move forward. But like, it depends on what it is. And you kind of have to put things into perspective as well.

[Jamie]

How did you process the grief?

[Vogue Williams]

I think I didn't. I kind of ran away to Australia because I had been in a long term relationship. I was still with him when my dad died. Then we broke up. Then I met my ex husband quite quickly after that, like really quickly.

[Jamie]

Brian McAddon.

[Vogue Williams]

And he was like, why don't you. You're not gonna say his name? Jamie.

[Jamie]

I again, Brian McFadden. And you of Westlife fame.

[Vogue Williams]

I can't think of any of your exes.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Frankie Gaff. There you go. Yeah, yeah, I did it. So you met Brian McFadden in Australia?

[Vogue Williams]

No, I met him in Ireland and then I moved to Australia and I think that like all of the sadness, like I just wanted to get away from the sadness and like people being like, oh, I'm really sorry to hear about your dad. Like, you just. I kind of just ran away from it and then I dealt with it when I was over there and I was like, oh, holy shit. I went and got married and everything. Fuck.

[Jamie]

I just want to get into your headspace. So you're just like, I don't want this here. I think, like, it's too heavy. It's too. People asking questions. I'm just gonna get out.

[Vogue Williams]

No, I was meant to go for three months and then I ended up kind of just kept getting visas and staying, doing work. Yeah, I started working a Bit over there.

[Jamie]

Modeling.

[Vogue Williams]

Modeling. No. The closest I got to modeling was Irish modeling, where, I mean, there are some great Irish models who are actual models.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

I once was employed by a burger shop to open the burger shop, and they had made this massive burger, probably about the size of this table. And so, like, I had to wear, like, a T shirt of the shop, and I had to, like, lift the top of the burger and stick my head in. So that was like.

[Jamie]

He was surprised. What's in it?

[Vogue Williams]

Part of the burger. I'll show you the picture.

[Jamie]

You're part of the burger.

[Vogue Williams]

And it stuck.

[Jamie]

And it was an actual burger.

[Vogue Williams]

A giant, massive burger.

[Jamie]

But you flew to Australia.

[Vogue Williams]

Flew to Australia. Lived there for a little while.

[Jamie]

But what were you doing out there? What work were you doing?

[Vogue Williams]

I did Dancing with the Stars badly.

[Jamie]

How can you do Dancing with the Stars in Australia?

[Vogue Williams]

So before all of this happened, so I had done a reality show in Ireland. That's it. That's the one. Yeah. A reality show in Ireland. And so I started doing that and then Fade Street. Fade Street. It aired the day my dad died. And I always said he died of embarrassment for watching this. He saw that and said, I'm gone.

[Jamie]

You know, I'm out of here.

[Vogue Williams]

This is too much.

[Jamie]

It was about a group of girls, wasn't it? But a little bit like Maiden Chelsea.

[Vogue Williams]

A little bit like. Yeah, like a really cheap version of Maiden Chelsea. But, like, I kind of was able to stay on the. On the outside of it. So I had a boyfriend at the time. He didn't want to be in it. And so I avoided all that, like,

[Jamie]

dramas and things like that.

[Vogue Williams]

Like, I just, like. I think that you guys had to get so cutthroat.

[Jamie]

Ours was, like, vicious. Yeah, vicious. And also, I was talking about this thing, like, looking back at it, man, I don't even remember that time.

[Vogue Williams]

It was kind of like an acting job for you guys, though.

[Jamie]

That's what Sven likes to say a lot.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Likes to be like, how's his acting?

[Vogue Williams]

I'm a fantastic actor.

[Jamie]

I was just acting a character. Really? Really? Okay.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, the one thing about Sven, though, because when I met Sven, I. I just thought I was like, oh, he's gonna be a bit of an arsehole. Because I'd only read things about him. That's why I'm always like, no, you have to make up your own mind about somebody, because never trust what you've read or seen about somebody. And it was so true to him that, like, as soon as I met him, I Remember leaving the ski place, being like, I'm gonna be best mates with him. Like, he's so much crack. And my friends, two of my gay friends were obviously like, no, you need to get with him. And I was like, no, no, no, no. Because they thought he was right. And I was like, no, but I think that we'll be really good friends.

[Jamie]

Cause this was on the jump.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And you guys. You guys were doing this show together. It was on channel four. And you were kind like. You were secretly.

[Vogue Williams]

Like, I was trying to be a secret. You were secretly telling everybody.

[Jamie]

Yeah. And I remember Spen saying it to me, and he was like.

[Vogue Williams]

I was like, shut up.

[Jamie]

Stop telling people.

[Vogue Williams]

I was like, no, that's not true.

[Jamie]

And it was the first time ever. He was, like, totally on the back foot.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know what?

[Jamie]

He was totally on the back foot. Cause you guys were friends, and then you started hooking up.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, we were friends. And genuinely, I didn't want to get into another relationship. I was like, I can't. I'd just done some really good work with my therapist, and we'd figured out what was wrong with me.

[Jamie]

And I knew because McFadden, you and McFadden had.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, there was other people after that that I'd gone out with. And I was like, I just keep going for the wrong person. And I was like, I need to. I think the best thing that you can do when you break up with somebody is just be single for a while and just. Cause I hated being on my own. And so I was like, I need to learn how to enjoy being by myself again. Cause I'd always had somebody to rely on, somebody to go to the party with, somebody to. There was always somebody there that I had to do something because you felt

[Jamie]

like you needed that.

[Vogue Williams]

I just. Yeah, I love being around people, but I was like, I have to stop doing that. Cause I'm jumping from thing to thing because I want to go out with somebody. So then I stopped doing that. And after about six months, I loved being single. Like, I was having so much fun. Just go and do whatever you want. It was just like.

[Jamie]

You didn't have to report to anyone.

[Vogue Williams]

No, I didn't have to report to anyone.

[Jamie]

Didn't have to freaking, like, nothing, Nothing.

[Vogue Williams]

It was brilliant. And then I was like, I should do this for a while. And then I met Spenny. And I think sometimes you meet somebody and you're like, shite. We tried to not, like, be going out with each other, and we were like, no, no, no. We're just friends. We're just friends. We're just friends. And then eventually, it's probably the march or something that we're like, okay, we'll just succumb to the fact that we just keep coming back together. I was never a good dater. I'm just. I've always been, like, better at relationships.

[Jamie]

Can I. Can I. And I know it's a long time ago, but when you go through a divorce. Right.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. And it's public, it's really embarrassing.

[Jamie]

Just explain that to me.

[Vogue Williams]

It's quite humiliating because, you know, people have started speculating and people have started talking about it, and you're hearing it, you're like, you know it's true, and you're just trying to not let it out. And then, like, I think we released a really cringy statement as well, which, like, I don't think is necessary. I think it's. Now that I'm older, I don't think I'd be as embarrassed as I was. But I was just, like, the failure of it. And because so many people expected it as well. Like, I remember my brother. My older brother Frederick. I was like, getting married. We're gonna get married here. And he was living in Australia at the time, and he was like, oh, I just vogue. I can't, like, get back from Australia. But I'll tell you what, I'll go to the next one. And he did. He came to the next one.

[Jamie]

In your book, right, you say that even on the wedding day, you felt like this wasn't quite right.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. But, like, it was too late on the wedding day because we had gotten married before that. There's no. I don't ever harbor any real bad feelings. Things happen because they happen. We weren't right for each other.

[Jamie]

Totally.

[Vogue Williams]

And I genuinely, like, there's no ex that. Like, I'm not saying that I'm friends with all my exes, but I wouldn't. Like, if I met them, I'd say hello, and it would be fine.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

It's just a different time in your life. But I remember getting divorced being like, this is just incredibly embarrassing. And just feeling like, what a big failure. And now I look back and I'm like, God, it wasn't really. It's just, like. It's not. That's worrying too much about other people's opinions. And I kind of. I really try not to do that. Like, Sveni's so good at that. He couldn't have shot.

[Jamie]

He doesn't give a shit.

[Vogue Williams]

Anyone thinks it's amazing.

[Jamie]

He doesn't give a shit. But also, I think it's like such a good point, right? For, like, people listening, which is where, when you, when you're stuck in that, like, it's like a. It's like a storm in a teacup.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

You think it's everything.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And you're like, fuck, I'm a failure. I'm never gonna come out of it. Oh, my God.

[Vogue Williams]

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[Jamie]

I didn't realize how many wicked documentaries you made.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, I made loads.

[Jamie]

Loads.

[Vogue Williams]

I used to do them all the time.

[Jamie]

What is your favorite one you've done?

[Vogue Williams]

I did one on the prison system in America and that was mad because I was going to meet the youngest woman on death row who I did meet. I actually just googled her recently because it was so long ago. So she had killed a woman with this man. He was married to the woman, they killed the woman together. She got death and he got life. And it's just. It was just the way. Because the way the press were playing and portraying her and stuff like that. And she was pregnant at the time, and she went into prison, obviously had the baby and the baby was taken away. But I googled her recently and now she. She's reduced to life as well. But, like, it was the whole American prison system. So she was kind of the end interview going and spending time in like, young offenders institutes and like, these kids that, like, some of them. I met people who robbed a car when they were younger and they got 20 years in prison. Like 20 years. That's their whole life gone. Yeah.

[Jamie]

For making a young mistake.

[Vogue Williams]

For making a stupid mistake. But I remember there was like, it was like kind of drill sergeants, like, these women who were like, in charge of. Of the prisons that the young offenders were in. And I was like, my. My director was like, we're going to immerse you in it. And I was like, okay, cool. And then after about an hour, I

[Jamie]

was like, I really don't like this

[Vogue Williams]

screaming in my face. I was like. And it was about an hour into it, I was like, please tell them to shop Shade.

[Jamie]

Is it that brutal?

[Vogue Williams]

It was brutal, but it was fascinating. And to see how people get their lives back on track after being in prison, like, even like down to, like, removing all their tattoos and like, their. Their gang tattoos. And like, there's these bakeries in LA where like, they employ just people who have come from prison and it's like trying to make your lives for themselves again. But, jeez, you're like, what is it

[Jamie]

like inside an American prison?

[Vogue Williams]

Obviously, like, if you're like, committing crimes, you should be. You should, like, do the time, as they say. But like, I think some of the crimes are just like, you rob a car a couple of times. Like, does that mean your whole life gets taken away from you?

[Jamie]

I'm with you.

[Vogue Williams]

It's absolutely crazy over there. But I did a documentary around sex.

[Jamie]

Let's go. Here we go.

[Vogue Williams]

We were invited. This, like, as I lean in, sex party. And it was in this.

[Jamie]

You went to a sex.

[Vogue Williams]

I Went to a sex party, but it was in, like. So it was a sex party that happened all the time. It was like a sex sex club in London, in Offaly, which is a county in the middle of Ireland. And we drive into this industrial estate and I was like, oh, it's not very sexy. Get in. We get in anyway. And I was like, oh, my God. The whole place just kind of smelled like Death Hall. And it was just like, these beds. It was the most unsexy place I'd ever been. And then the people started coming in and, like, some of the girls were, like, total babes. And then. Then there was, like, all these different men and, like, they were. They were swapping partners and stuff like that.

[Jamie]

But then, like, you're watching all this.

[Vogue Williams]

No, I didn't get to see too much of that. We weren't able to film that, obviously. But then, like, you have, like, the wankers in the corner just there, like, so I was.

[Jamie]

Sorry. What a way to spend an evening to go. Drive to a industrial Offaly, Whatever it is, and drive to an industrial estate, go in, have a wank, and then just leave.

[Vogue Williams]

My God. Imagine crazy. That's your weekend.

[Jamie]

Then also, once you finish, you'd be a bit like, I feel a bit low. Yeah, I have to book an Uber. Like, how do you get home in the middle of nowhere?

[Vogue Williams]

But I was expecting, like, this Eyes Wide Shut thing, like, all these, like, glamorous people with all their, like, masks and stuff, so. But I loved all those that I got to do. Like, I just found them so fascinating.

[Jamie]

You did a documentary, I think, 2017, where the opening was when you had just had a panic attack.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, I did one around anxiety, but.

[Jamie]

So explain that to me.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know what? My anxiety is really good at the moment. I really, like. You obviously get it.

[Jamie]

Yeah. But mine's much better.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. I think that you have to find the main triggers of it. And what? Like, I was going through a really hard time when I was doing that documentary. It was really, really difficult, and I wasn't sleeping. And you know when you'd fall asleep and then you wake up at one in the morning and then you're not sleeping, and then I'm like, okay, that's why I'm so obsessed with sleep. And then I'd know that the next day would be awful with anxiety because I hadn't slept. So I was just in this cycle was like, cycle. Oh, it was awful. But I think that when you figure out ways to manage it, like, the best thing for me Is like, not drinking. Like, when I drink, even, like, I don't drink that much. I don't really like the taste of alcohol, but, like, I do like to get drunk sometimes. But, like, that could be like, three days of me being anxious then, and I can't bear it.

[Jamie]

It's crazy. And also having kids and then hangover with a kid is like, have you done it yet? Yeah, I did it. It's like the worst experience I've ever had.

[Vogue Williams]

It's because it takes you days to catch up then. So your days catching up with your sleep and. No, I just. That's the main trigger for me. And I think that, like, not drinking. Haven't drank that much in a long time. I think that that really helps. It's so nice to. Because when you're anxious, you're like, I'm never not gonna feel anxious. But when in 2017, when I was doing that, I had. I was on beta blockers then because I had to. I couldn't manage it properly myself, and I couldn't, like, you know, and you just can't see through it because you're just like, okay. And they were. They then helped me to just relax a bit. And then I was able to go

[Jamie]

see the wood from the trees. Right. So you can kind of go like, okay, this isn't all consuming. I get it now. So then when you go back into it, you know, there's like an escape, right?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. You're not, like, in a blind panic, like, running around. So that was a good one. That was back in the day. 2017.

[Jamie]

2017. That's when you met. Spent.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. And he knows loads about it, doesn't.

[Jamie]

He doesn't even know what it is.

[Vogue Williams]

No, he doesn't. He does know.

[Jamie]

Can we also just talk about your podcast you do with Joanne quickly? Because, Matt, if you haven't listened to. My therapist ghosted me, it is truly one of the greats we have.

[Vogue Williams]

Save it at Vogue and Amber as well. Because I do know.

[Jamie]

I know Vogue and Amber as well. And 100% that took over from you and Spen. Right. And that's great as well. I haven't listened to that as much.

[Vogue Williams]

That's where the rumors came from. Sorry.

[Jamie]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Cause when Spenny and I stopped doing our podcast together, like, oh. And it was because he wanted to go and talk about running, and I didn't want to talk about running.

[Jamie]

He wanted to go and do something. He loves talking about running.

[Vogue Williams]

I feel so lucky that my job is to chat to my friends. Like, I'm just sitting there chatting to my friends, having such a laugh. And, like, if I go into it and I just. Like I've had a bad day or something, like, I just. That one of them is gonna pick me up and I'm just gonna feel in such a good mood after.

[Jamie]

Joanne McNally has sold out the Apollo 9 Nights in a row.

[Vogue Williams]

She is.

[Jamie]

Which is insane. And she is one of the greatest comedians.

[Vogue Williams]

She's very funny.

[Jamie]

But what your podcast did is gave her also the platform.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. It changed both of our careers. Massively changed both of our careers. And I'd say it changed the way people thought about me as well, because with a podcast, you're just being yourself, so people just see what you're actually like. And I think. I think they just kind of thought that I was a little bit. Probably a little bit boring and just like. Like, they just. You don't really get in depth with people online. Not really. Like, you can show your personality to a point, but not. Not as much as you do on a podcast. But like, Joanne and I never thought that our podcast would do what it did, and it really did change our careers and what we're doing with it. And Joanne's, like, about to sell. She still had two arenas in Tublin. Like, it's incredible, isn't it?

[Jamie]

You guys have done arenas together as well?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, we did five arenas, us in. In Ireland, and we did this. How many people? It was 9,000 a night. I know. It was. It was mad.

[Jamie]

How do you think she's going to do in the Traders?

[Vogue Williams]

I think she could do really well. I mean, it's such an amazing group.

[Jamie]

Oh, my God.

[Vogue Williams]

I've known for so long. I just tried to pretend that I don't know because I hate keeping secrets. But she. I think she'll be really good. I don't know if she'll be a traitor. I don't know how good Joanne is at lying.

[Jamie]

I don't think. I don't think she'll be a trader. Traders.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay. Who do you think is going to be the traitors? I think they have to choose. Rob or Ramesh.

[Jamie]

I think they'll be raw. I think. Becca. I think, though, it feels like Ramesh will be a traitor.

[Vogue Williams]

I think one of them. Because they'll have to screw each other over, like Alan did with Paloma.

[Jamie]

They'll have to do something like that.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

So I reckon Romish will be a traitor. I think that Richard E. Grant could be a traitor.

[Vogue Williams]

Jerry hall is. Honestly. I know it's going to be hanging out with Jerry. She was married to Rupert Murdoch.

[Jamie]

It's unbelievable.

[Vogue Williams]

It's so mental. I know.

[Jamie]

Miranda Hart.

[Vogue Williams]

I love her. Richard E. Grant would be amazing. I remember I had to interview him for Lad Bible.

[Jamie]

How was it? Was it good? Sounds like it went well. And you know what?

[Vogue Williams]

Lad Bible, they're like, just kind of. And I was like, so do you wash your feet in the shower or do you let the water run over them? And he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

He's like, this is highbrow.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

So who's your hall pass?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, Skepto.

[Jamie]

I was not expecting greenhouse. No, Skepta is your hall pass.

[Vogue Williams]

I've been invited to a wedding.

[Jamie]

I think you said ant, as in like ant. And you were going, ant.

[Vogue Williams]

I love ant. And deck.

[Jamie]

You'd have to take them both down.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean, I'll take them both. You can choose one other one.

[Jamie]

Deck would be wagging in the corner, Like, at that sex party.

[Vogue Williams]

I did.

[Jamie]

Because if you did, you'd be like, where's Dax? Yeah, I know he's here somewhere.

[Vogue Williams]

Anyway, so now I've been invited to a wedding this year.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's kept going.

[Vogue Williams]

I just kept us going. But.

[Jamie]

So what would you do? What do you look.

[Vogue Williams]

I'll have just had the baby.

[Jamie]

Honestly, you'll look great.

[Vogue Williams]

No, no. I will either be in labor or in the hospital, so I'm gonna miss it. I was like, do I want a Spanish baby? Will I have it up?

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah. Good for the passport. So maybe. But what I love is, like, same with Sophie. When. When she generally met her hall pass, she was like, well, I guess it's happening. And I was like, I'm so confused here. This is like a hypothetical conversation.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, no, I'm a wimp. Like, I wouldn't even say hello to him. I feel like he'd probably find me rude. Cause I'd be like, covering your face. Immature, baby. I'd be like, hi. No way. Do you think that I would have. I wouldn't have the confidence to be like, huh? No.

[Jamie]

He spent hall passes.

[Vogue Williams]

Who is Spence? Hall pass. I don't know. I don't know if he'd answer that question.

[Jamie]

He wouldn't answer it.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't think so. Who's yours? He.

[Jamie]

Spencer'd be so mine.

[Vogue Williams]

No, we were talking last night about. We were watching Chef with Bruh is a chef of Bradley Cooper. What's it called?

[Jamie]

Oh, Burn. It's great.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, we were watching that and we were. We were talking about Alicia Vikander and Sienna Miller. Very difficult to decide who's hotter. Yeah, they're such rides.

[Jamie]

Great shout.

[Vogue Williams]

So maybe one of them.

[Jamie]

Buggy. Thank you.

[Vogue Williams]

Thank you, James.

[Jamie]

Thank you. Hang on.

[Vogue Williams]

Who's your hall pass?

[Jamie]

My hall pass is Dakota Johnson. Love Dakota Johnson.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, yeah, she's fab.

[Jamie]

She's just fun.

[Vogue Williams]

I think I'd be like, oh, and do you know Margot Robbie? No.

[Jamie]

No. Well, yeah, Margot Robbie.

[Vogue Williams]

But, like, she's maybe too gorgeous.

[Jamie]

She's too. She's too hot. Or I said Sydney Sweeney, but then that was a bit obvious. Apparently.

[Vogue Williams]

Margot Robbie. Someone had her as their bridesmaid. Like, Jesus. Crazy. There's no way.

[Jamie]

Don't do that.

[Vogue Williams]

She'd be wearing a bag over her head.

[Jamie]

Give it a little eye.

[Vogue Williams]

Ho.

[Jamie]

Bag walking up.

[Vogue Williams]

You're not allowed to be seen at this wedding.

[Jamie]

Who's that bridesmaid wearing a bag on

[Vogue Williams]

the head for the whole dinner? Just soup all over the bag. I don't care. Keep the bag on Margot. Don't you dare remove it.

[Jamie]

Soup at a wedding. There's a. That's all I got from that bogey. Thank you. And listen, your book, you can go and get it now. The link is in our show description. Thank you so much for coming on.

[Vogue Williams]

Thank you, Jamie. That was so fun.

[Jamie]

You're the best. It was so great. We like to end our conversation with eight quick fire questions. Are you ready?

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, go.

[Jamie]

What's the saying or phrase that makes you smile or cheers you up?

[Vogue Williams]

Those who mutter don't mind. And those who mind don't matter.

[Jamie]

Come on, let's go.

[Vogue Williams]

Good one.

[Jamie]

Best compliment anyone's ever given you.

[Vogue Williams]

Ooh, sponge. Is there. I think that that's the best compliment you can get, saying that you're a good mother.

[Jamie]

What scares you most about yourself?

[Vogue Williams]

Dying. My body. Dying. Oh, I'm really frightened. You're scared of death.

[Jamie]

How are you not? Vogue is really scared of death.

[Vogue Williams]

But Vulg. I don't understand. Like, you're all walking around, like, it's getting you all. Just so you know, this is not just. I'm not singled out.

[Jamie]

Yes. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

You're going to die.

[Jamie]

I am gonna die. But like. But also, like, why? What is it so scary?

[Vogue Williams]

It's just. I just don't like the idea of it. Cause I like to know what's happening and obviously I don't know what's gonna happen. But, like. Like, I actually had therapy about it because I was so insane for a while. Like, I'd be walking around and I'D see old people and I'd be like, oh, Jesus. And Spen would be like, what's wrong? I'd be like, God, they must be so worried. They must be so worried at their age. Just enjoying a glass of wine, shitting himself.

[Jamie]

Oh, my God, they must be so worried.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Jamie]

God, I feel so. Are you okay? Because death is like, so close and you must be thinking about it every day.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. I wouldn't even ask my mom about it because, like, she's closer than I am. I'm like, she wants to pretend it's not coming. Okay.

[Jamie]

Oh, it'd be coming. But sometimes I do think to myself that I wouldn't die. Like, if it was like a plane crash, I. I would be. It'd be crash. I think I'm going to survive this.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, God. I listen to any. Whenever I take off. Take off and landing any. Because I'm like, at least then I'll die listening to Anya.

[Jamie]

You listen to Anya?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

That's quite nice. Yeah. How's it, Anna?

[Vogue Williams]

Did you go to my singing lessons?

[Jamie]

I did, actually. Yeah. Yeah. After your dance lessons. Okay. When was last time you cried?

[Vogue Williams]

Last time I cried? Oh, I watched Hamness.

[Jamie]

That's full on.

[Vogue Williams]

Not just cried.

[Jamie]

Like, it's a lot.

[Vogue Williams]

Literally lost the.

[Jamie]

I haven't seen it because apparently you shouldn't watch if you just had kids.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, my God. But she. So incredible. Just Jessie Buckley.

[Jamie]

She's amazing. She's insane. Have you. Have you watched I Swear yet?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, my God. It's just brilliant.

[Jamie]

So good.

[Vogue Williams]

So good. Yeah, I love that.

[Jamie]

What's something you can't let go of?

[Vogue Williams]

Something. I can't. I'm a terrible grudge holder. Oh, it's bad.

[Jamie]

Do you hold grudges?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Yeah. I'd take it to the grave. I would like. If me and Sveni are having an argument.

[Jamie]

You just hold on.

[Vogue Williams]

I will die before I will s.

[Jamie]

Do you know what?

[Vogue Williams]

I'm going to hold on to this terrible trait. You better apologize because I will take this to the graves.

[Jamie]

What's your guilty pleasure?

[Vogue Williams]

I love watching rubbish tv. I love. Yeah, like, reality tv. I love the Kardashians. I'm terrible. I really. I've watched every single one of their shows. I love everything that they do.

[Jamie]

What turns you off?

[Vogue Williams]

Uncleanliness. Yeah.

[Jamie]

What turns you on?

[Vogue Williams]

Organizing. God, I love organizing.

[Jamie]

Organizing so much that, like, organizing, like a house, everything.

[Vogue Williams]

I just love organizing. I was organizing my toiletries yesterday and, like, putting stuff into bags for other people and, like, clearing out and Organizing. I'm. One day I'll live as Marie Kondo. But I have so much crap at the moment.

[Jamie]

So when you've organized a house and that is like the, the.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, it's like, I have storage. I have loads of stuff in storage. And I'm like, I booked in to go there for two days in June, like, because I have to get all the baby stuff out. And I'm like, I can't wait to get rid of all the stuff that I don't need.

[Jamie]

So if Spen. If you were to come home and spend was organizing, would that be a real.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh my God. If Sven was. It's never gonna happen. Have you ever seen him cook? He's a great cook.

[Jamie]

He's a very good cook.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh my God. You'd rather do it yourself because it's so much mess. My little brother's like, I'm come over for dinner. And he's like, who's cooking? If I say span, he's like, no, thanks. Because he knows he has to do the cleanup after, so he just won't come.

[Jamie]

I. I remember when Sven and I did like this TV show, Hunted. And because he doesn't have any.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't remember that.

[Jamie]

He doesn't know, like, perception and stuff. And like, we would be living in strangers houses that we've never met. And he would go to the fridge and rip open the hummus and start eating it, leave it on the side. And I was like, crazy. We've never met these people apart from when we stood in front of their car and hailed them down.

[Vogue Williams]

When he met my stepdad and my mom, we wouldn't Irish people. Not that we're standoffish, but we do like our own space. And Spenny's like, hello, Neil. And he's like, he just rings Neil all the time. He's like, he's my best pa. My Neil. And he's like, no, he's my Neil. Okay, okay.

[Jamie]

What do you like most about yourself?

[Vogue Williams]

I think I am a very kind person and loyal to people.

[Jamie]

That's the best. Okay, last one. What song would you like to be played at your funeral?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, Dr. Dre's album 2001.

[Jamie]

Great shout.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And get Skeptical. Perform.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, yeah, you can do a little dance. No, I don't want to see me in death.

[Jamie]

You don't want to see that.

[Vogue Williams]

I won't look good.

[Jamie]

No, no, no.

[Vogue Williams]

It's not seeming embarrassed in death. Sorry. I'll literally start turning in the

[Jamie]

sp. You couldn't give a skeptic comes. You're like f. You've been amazing. Thank you so much. We love you. Thank you for being great company.

[Vogue Williams]

That was so fun. Thank you.

[Jamie]

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