We are back for another Great Security Debate.

In this episode: we discuss the potential role of agentic AI in security, from true “copilot” to automated decider of things, and whether LLMs are just a really cool search engine. Brian, Erik, and Dan also debate the means and extent to which we could replace ourselves with agents and what the inhibitors and risks are (spoiler alert: trust and survival of that agent after employment were big factors), and how do we train those agents of all the steps our brains take to make the decisions that the humans make, and do so without polluting it with aspirational versions of ourselves (think: Instagram vs Reality). And it all leads to a parenting lesson by Brian and an automotive process lesson by Erik? It’s quite a debate.

Thanks for listening! We might do one more episode in 2026, but if not have a wonderful holidays and a happy new year!

Here’s the quote that Brian references at the end of the episode by Tolstoy:

Patience is waiting. Not passively waiting. That is laziness. But to Keep going when the going is hard and slow - that is patience. The two most powerful warriors are patience and time. The value lies not in reducing "power" (computational energy) but in leveraging that processing power to achieve outcomes that are difficult, slow, or impossible for humans to manage alone.

Thanks for listening!

Show Notes:

Reflex Security - https://reflexsecurity.io
Movie Recommendation: Multiplicity - https://geni.us/7vgKO
Plaid Privacy Policy - https://plaid.com/legal/
Prompts.ai - https://www.prompts.ai/en
Music Recommendation: Take On Me - A-ha - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914
Book Recommendation: The Toyota Way - Book - https://geni.us/3LcpM
Book Recommendation: Six Sigma - https://geni.us/CS8ql
Book Recommendation: Matricide - https://geni.us/Xfn2MB
Book Recommendation: The Lorax - https://geni.us/Fy8X4b
Perplexity - https://www.perplexity.ai
TV Recommendation - Pluribus (Apple TV+) - https://tv.apple.com/us/show/pluribus/umc.cmc.37axgovs2yozlyh3c2cmwzlza

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