On this weeks’ Debate, Brian brings a truckload of acronyms for more single panes of glass to help us consolidate our various single panes of glass, Erik may actually be Brian (or maybe Brian is Erik), and Dan confirms he still (and likely always will) spend the rest of his days living in the house he just built deep in the Trough of Disillusionment.

What started out as a chat about some new technologies in the space turned into a treatise on the state of leadership and the future talent pipeline’s need for more curiosity (and why we think they are starved of the opportunity to learn to be curious). Along the way we talk about what motivates organisations to do security right from the get go vs leaving it alone based on difficulty to remediate, and the risk balances of both (think: productivity vs security). Throw in a little “binary opinions have dragged us into the mire” and you’ve got a full episode of The Great Security Debate.

We also drop some hints about a new show coming from The Distilling Security network in 2026 called The Final Act which will bring guests in the later stages of their careers about the urgency of our careers in security and tech, what they want to leave behind as legacy, and what they are doing to prepare their orgs for their eventual departure. Add on how they have and will give back to the community, and what their successors want to see done before this first generation of security and tech leaders hit the road.

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Show Notes:

What is Data Security Posture Management (DSPM) - https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/data-security-posture-management
What is Identity Security Posture Management (ISPM) - https://www.sentinelone.com/cybersecurity-101/identity-security/identity-security-posture-management-ispm/
What is an Institutional Review Board (IRB) - https://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/education-and-outreach/online-education/human-research-protection-training/lesson-3-what-are-irbs/index.html
Lucy pulls the football (hand egg) away from Charlie Brown - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dsm7K1Xkn4
Healthy foods are more costly - https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/27/healthy-foods-are-often-more-expensive-heres-why.html
Why Ford cancelled the Bronco after OJ - https://www.slashgear.com/1560204/reason-ford-bronco-discontinued-after-oj-simpson-trial-explained/
Not enough data - GSD Episode 62 [Audio] - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-100-years-ai-flood/id1513770103?i=1000735045511
Not enough data - GSD Episode 62 [Video] -
Book Recommendation - Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haidt - https://geni.us/lDrdn3
Book Recommendation - The Coddling of the American Mind by Jonathan Haidt - https://geni.us/Xqary2V
Ford has 5000 skilled mechanic jobs they can’t fill - https://fortune.com/2025/11/12/ford-ceo-manufacturing-jobs-trade-schools-we-are-in-trouble-in-our-country/

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