The Great Security Debate is *back*! It’s been a busy year, but it’s time to get this show back on the air (and maybe on the road). Dan takes a break from the rat race, Erik took over the world, and Brian uses Elmer’s Glue to splice his network cables.

Topics in the show this week:

AWS and Microsoft make the best cases for business continuity plans, the AI
Is public cloud reliable enough? Should we all move back to local data centres? How can we reliably assess that risk?
Want an AI Data Centre on your town? NIMBY vs Innovation!

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Links to mentioned articles and topics:

AWS Outage - 20 October 2025 - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cev1en9077ro
Microsoft Azure Outage - https://www.wsj.com/tech/microsoft-hit-with-azure-365-outage-b3ac0724
37Signals move from AWS to Data Centre - https://world.hey.com/dhh/our-cloud-exit-savings-will-now-top-ten-million-over-five-years-c7d9b5bd
100 Years Flood - usgs.gov - https://www.usgs.gov/water-science-school/science/100-year-flood
Great Flood of 1937 - https://www.weather.gov/lmk/flood_37
Impact of Jaguar Land Rover Incident - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0qpl0v3gnzo
CDK Attack and Outage - https://www.industryweek.com/technology-and-iiot/article/55091142/major-cybersecurity-breach-affects-auto-manufacturers
Russian grain blockade against Ukraine - https://www.cfr.org/article/how-ukraine-overcame-russias-grain-blockade
Saline, Michigan OpenAI Data Centre & Pushback - https://apnews.com/article/openai-inc-joi-harris-data-management-and-storage-microsoft-corp-oracle-corp-f25196fca5865ed79d94c972249a272c
Racine, Wisconsin Foxconn and Microsoft site failures - https://racinecountyeye.com/2025/10/08/microsoft-abandon-1st-caledonia/
Racine, Wisconsin What happened to FoxConn? https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/what-happened-to-foxconn-a-look-at-the-1-2-billion-spent-and-where-it-all-went/3759518/
Gartner Hype Cycle - https://www.gartner.com/en/research/methodologies/gartner-hype-cycle