← Green With Envy: A Boston Celtics Podcast
Green With Envy: A Boston Celtics Podcast
Should the Celtics trade for Giannis? + Fake Jaylen Brown trades we would never do
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Will
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Greg Menegas
This is Mike Gorman and you're listening
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Will
to Green with Envy with Will and Greg. All right everybody, we are back after a little Mother's Day break here. So recording on a Tuesday mostly we're gonna make kind of a Wednesday Sunday schedule. But you know, Mother's Day is what it is. We gotta be the studly husbands that we we tell you we are. So we gotta actually do it in real life. So I had to take care of that business.
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Greg Menegas
That's amazing. I think Studly Studly Husbands should be our should be our like parent podcast
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Will
that we that's our side.
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Greg Menegas
That's sorry Sor for messing up your intro, but keep going.
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Will
It's okay. It happens. That's that's going to be our new offshoot podcast that we have Suddenly Husbands. But coming up today, we got to do the episode that honestly we've been dreading doing. But we got to do it. And we wanted to wait for the NBA draft lottery, see if that changed anything. It's the Jalen Brown mock trade episode. We're going to get into it. We're Going to give you some options, we're going to give you some potentials. We'll tell you how we feel all about them. And we got a special announcement that we're going to drop for you guys here at the top of the pod. So you guys know the deal. The scream with Envy. Let's lock in. What up, what up, what up. Welcome into another edition of Greenwith Envy. As always, this is your boy Will. We're checking in. How you doing? How you living? Maybe the Celtics offseason, but we still out here grinding today. The episode that we know we had to do basically the moment the Celtics lost. And we put it off for just about two weeks, but we're gonna get in to the Jaylen Brown mock trade episode that's going to be the feature set of today. And of course, to help me do that, I got to welcome in my best friend, co host and the coach of our podcast, the one and only Greg Menegas. Greg, I, I know this, this podcast is going to hurt you a little bit, but we got to do it and just rip the band aid off and then we can. Then we can put it to bed until any actual rumors potentially.
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Greg Menegas
Here's the thing later. I have zero trades involving Jalen Brown. All my trades involve Jason Tatum,
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Will
the Ulta, the Ultimate Zag. I like that. I like that. Okay, so quick announcement that we have here, number one. Appreciate everybody that follows us across YouTube, across Twitter, you know, anyone that's ever left us a review on Spotify, Apple, all that stuff, it is crazy appreciated. And because, you know, you guys watch our videos, you guys listen to our podcast. It does create. Even if you don't think it does, it does create more opportunities for us. So with that, we do have a special announcement. We've worked with them before, but we have recently just signed and have now actually launched already. Our first video is we are the new podcast of Bleacher Report for the Boston Celtics. So they're going to be focused on a lot of short, short, short videos. Like we've been producing for a shout out to our guy Alex, shout out to producer Alex that we've been producing on Instagram, YouTube. All those views, all those clicks help us get attention, help us kind of live out our. Our quasi dream that we're doing here, I guess. Is that what we're calling the Scraguses? Is it the dream?
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Greg Menegas
It's something. I don't know if it's a dream, dude. All my dreams involve me like playing basketball at high school and forgetting my shorts. And having to, like, drive through a snowstorm back to my house with the game and starting in 30 minutes. So I guess it's better than the dreams that I typically have.
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Will
You know what I really love about some of the dreams I've been having lately? It's. It's. It's those sequences where you're, like, really invested in, like, whatever's happening. Like, you're just like, man, there's like. It's almost like a movie. And then all of a sudden, something so random happens. It completely takes you out. Like, you're in. Like, to your point, you're. You're in. I don't know, you're in, like, a snowstorm or something, and you're. You're trying to, like, get home and you're driving, and the next thing you know, like, out of nowhere, somebody's. You're in an Italian restaurant eating pasta, and it's like, whoa. Okay. This is not the same, like, this intense dream. I've had that happen a couple times recently where I'm just like, man, I was really into, like, the. The. The architecture, the movie that was playing in my dream, and now it's. It's become a cartoon. I don't know what happened. I don't know how we got out here.
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Greg Menegas
And then I. Dude, I take. I take Lexapro for anxiety. And that gives you the craziest dreams. And I have, like, multiple parallel universes that I'm kind of living out in my dreams, and it's kind of sick. There's. There's some of them that are a little scary and, like, a little too real, where I'm actually wondering if I'm living out, like, an alternate existence somewhere. But they're. They're pretty fun, not gonna lie. Like, I've thought about getting off Lexapro just because I don't like being on medication. But then I'm like, the dreams are pretty cool.
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Will
I mean, that's literally one of the premises to the. One of the Doctor Strange movies, right? Is he's living out all these universes where he's like, man, just having crazy dreams. It's like, oh, no, those are actual universes that are playing out that you're, like, getting, like, a little bit of a look into. So maybe you're just Dr. Strange. Whoever.
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Greg Menegas
No, I think what it is is whoever wrote that movie takes Lexapro.
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Will
There you go. That's. That. That could be it. Stan Lee, big Lexapro guy. Started back in the 70s, been hammering it ever since. Okay, well, back to the topic at hand here, Bleacher Report, we now have a part official partnership with them going forward. So download the Bleach Report app, make sure you're following the Celtics. You're gonna see a lot of our content from the podcast, but there's also going to be some exclusive content that is just going directly to Bleacher Report. So again, appreciate all the support that you guys have given us, led us to this opportunity, opens up more doors for us. So please continue to do so. Download the Bleacher Report app, follow us or follow the Celtics on Bleacher Report. You will get more access to some of our content and along with that, we're going to start tonight, you're going to start seeing Bleacher Report specific segments that are built into the podcast. So with that being said, it's time for us to load up the Bleacher Report segment of the week. Greg, there's rumors out there, really big rumors. Rumors that involve the Celtics, Jalen Brown, and rumors that involve Giannis Antetokounmpo, two players who are both do massive extensions, make insane amounts of money and potentially both want to be in different situations. So I asked you a very simple question. Should the Boston Celtics trade for Giannis?
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Greg Menegas
So when you're taking a big swing, you have to consider your competition, right? And if your current roster has the tools to match up with the best and plain and simple, the Boston Celtics current roster, I think has all the talent in the world. If Joe Missoula decides to play them in the playoffs to go up against all the different guards that, that kind of run the Eastern Conference, Tyrese Maxey, Jalen Brunson, Cade Cunningham, like we have the talent to match up with those people. When you think about the league as a whole, I don't necessarily know that we have that talent. You got Wemby, you got Chet, you got Cat, you got Embiid, you got all these guys out there that at some point you're probably going to have to go through. And when you look at the current roster, Neemius Kada probably not the answer. I was really hoping we'd see something special out of Neemi in the playoffs. So we just didn't see it. Maybe he'll grow into something more than what he is right now. You heard Jalen Brown give him lots of praise on his dream. We know that Neemi has a, a world of potential, but he's probably not, and I would say definitely not one of those top tier bigs in the NBA today. When you think about should the Celtics trade Jaylen Brown for Gianna Sentetokounmpo? It all comes down to do they think Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum is following the trend of the league and the strength of the league, or is adjacent Tatum, Giannis Antetokounmpo more likely to be able to compete with teams that throw out the double big lineups that we've seen in the past. It reminds me of back when the Celtics traded for Kevin Garnett, right? You can't go into a season with Kendrick Perkins and Al Jefferson as your front court. When you got the Wallace brothers, you got Tim Duncan, you got Dirk Nowitzki, you got kg, who before he's on the Celtics, he's competition, right? You got Shaq, all these guys that are out there, you needed someone that could match up to that level of talent. And I think this is a pretty good analogy for what the Celtics have right now with an opportunity to get someone who is a top tier big man like Giannis Anto, despite the fact
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Will
the Celtics already have a championship, which, which to a degree makes this a little bit, a little bit easier of a conversation. This is the Celtics Nomar Garcia power trade, right? Like this is the trade that hurts. That takes somebody that you grew up with, you knew with, you fell in love with and has done a lot of things to make your life better, but you're taking that next step. And when you look at the potential options of moving Jaylen Brown, this is the only one, the only one that I look at that I think, I get it, I get it. And maybe, just maybe, you might even need to do it. Because when you look at a guy like Giannis being available in, in the KG comparison is ironic because they're basically the same age as when KG came to the Celtics. Giannis would come to the Celtics as well. They both be right around 31 years old. They both have probably you're looking at a four or five year window with them, just like what you got with K AG now, of course that knee injury threw it off a little bit. But you take out this year where Giannis played 36 games. And Greg, from 2016-17 through 2024 to 2025, Giannis has won two MVPs and finished in the top seven every single year. And since he won his first MVP, has never finished outside of the top four. If that's a guy that you can get, and for all the reasons that you mentioned, I think you have to do it. If you can do it, I think you have to at least, even if you don't do it, you have to consider it. There's no way you can look at this and say you're just blatantly against it. You might not do it. We'll talk about it more. But this, this. This is a conversation that we have to have.
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Greg Menegas
Yeah. I think what you don't want to have happen, though, Will, is run into a situation where you're doing like an Albert Pujol steal. If you make a baseball analogy where you're tra. Like you're paying for past performance. That's the thing by.
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Will
I literally just saw the Red Sox link to trading for Mike Trout, which I, which that's exactly what I. In my head, I was like, oh, cool. That's going to be the move the Red Sox make is just paying for past performance and getting. And I think Mike Trout's actually having a good year this year, but he's been not Mike Trout for two, three years. Right. Like, so it's, it's so funny that you made that example, because I just saw that click. Yeah.
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Greg Menegas
And I, I just think, like, you have to consider that because Jaylen, I think, is like probably at the first year of a three year peak. I would probably say that's where Jaylen Brown is maybe the second year of a four year peak. If you want to throw in the Finals MVP from, From a couple years ago. Right. Like, I think there's, There's a, There's a world in which trading for Giannis leads to another championship. And I think all Celtics fans would sign up for. If we make a Jalen trade, we need to have a championship contender the next year. Right. Because we, We've. We've grown up with Jalen. He's like our childhood home. Right. He's. He's the house we grew up in. And now we have this opportunity to, like, move into this new house in a brand new neighborhood that we don't really know the neighbors and all that. And you're just like, I don't know if I want to actually leave my childhood home because I have so many memories there. Right. I. I think that's like a pretty good analogy for the way that I feel, because Jalen's my guy, man. Like, seeing him grow from the young kid that, that he was into the dude who is influencing the city of Boston and starting programs like the bridge program, the Juice foundation, all these things that he does in the city of Boston, and he's so firmly entrenched into the community. Not that Giannis wouldn't come in because I did some research. Giannis has done a ton of stuff in Milwaukee and I think if he came into Boston, you would see a different type of influence from Giannis. Right. And I, I think Jaylen's also the type of guy that would lead like he wouldn't uproot the foundations that he's put into the city and take them with him. I think he would still look at Boston as a place that he could make a difference. Right. So I think you also have to factor that stuff in. But the main point, you don't want to trade for past performance. And I think that's the biggest issue. Trading for Giannis and Tikounmpo.
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Will
Yeah, it's a scary proposition. Like when you look at his basketball reference page because he's been injured at the wrong times, I actually expected this to look more horrifying than it really does. Right. Because you look at the last couple of years and basically since the, since the bubble, let's say he's played 67, 63, 73, 67. And then last year was 36, right? Like that's the one that starts to jump out and scare you, especially when you factor in missing basically each of the last two playoffs, even though he played in a handful of games like he was eight injured going into it. So it's a really interesting, you know, think thought exercise of like to your point, like how much are you weighing on the fact that in the last three years two of his injuries were just really bad timing. Other than that, playing 73 and 67 games out of a big. That's going to be all NBA. Like, you'll sign up for that every year, right? That sounds. That sounds great. I will take that. In the regular season, 36 scares you, especially when coupled with what came before that. And this year, there was multiple, like, lower leg, big injuries, which big guys. That's always going to be kind of scary. And, you know, it's father time. Never loses unless it's LeBron James and Tom Brady. Right. Like, never lose. So aside from those guys, everybody hits a point where either injuries or time just. They catch up to you. And that's the part that you worry about. And especially when you compare it to a guy like Jalen Brown who just never misses time. Right. Like, played in 71, 63, 70, 67, 60, 66, last couple years. Like, he never misses time. And he was available for all of his playoff runs, had that one playoff run right after the bubble where he had the surgery and wasn't able to play. Other than that, he's available every single night. And so when you combine that with the fact that he's two years younger, I. I think this is where I've settled on Greg. This is the only trade that we're going to talk about tonight, where, if it happens, it's okay. I understand it. I'll talk myself into being happy with it. And again, everyone loved Giannis until he got kind of annoying about this whole situation where he tried so hard to not be the bad guy that he became the bad guy. Right. Like, other than that, you think back before that everyone loves Giannis. Who wouldn't want Giannis? Giannis is bubbly. He's also, like, you know, he's also got a little bit of. To him, like, he gives you a little bit more toughness. Like, he gives you everything that you want. And he's one of one with Jaylen Brown. You know, he's two years younger. Like, I. I think ultimately I wouldn't do it. But again, I think this is going to be the only trade tonight that we even talk about. Without even getting into specific parameters that I think I would be okay with if Jaylen Brown has moved this off season.
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Greg Menegas
Yeah, I think that that's fair. When you. When you think to yourself, you know, should the Boston Celtics trade for Giannis Antetokounmpo? The only way that that happens is if Jaylen Brown is in that deal. Right? There's. If I've seen some people out there that are like, hey, can the Celt. I take Giannis, but only if we have to give up Jaylen Brown, it's like, okay, then you're giving up Jason Tatum.
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Will
It's one of the two, right?
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Greg Menegas
Like, you're not going to be able to get Giannis without giving up one of the J's. So you know, people out there that like, you know, when I threw out the BAM idea of like maybe we could get bam without the Jays, that's the level of player that it like starts to become maybe realistic, but probably still is nowhere close to being realistic. Like they're going to want the Jays. So it's just one of those things where like if you want top tier return, you have to have top tier something going out. And Jalen Brown, it's top tier, man.
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Will
Right. So that's, that's the only option to your point, like, it's one of the Jays. If you're getting Giannis, one of the Jays is going out, you're not going to be able to construct a deal where, where they're not gone. So let's, let's open this up a little bit, Greg, beyond just the Giannis of it. All right. And, and actually one last thing on Giannis and I'm curious to get your thoughts on it. Again, I don't think if you, if you made me make a decision, I would say don't do it. Let's keep Jaylen Brown. The two years age difference, injuries, both of them gonna get an extension. So Giannis is going to get probably a three year extension because he's only got one year left. Jalen's due too. I'm okay with either of those extensions, but you're still looking at by the end of giannis as he's 35 versus Jalen being 33. So if this like, I'm curious to know your assessment on like the value of this trade. Right? So technically Celtics and Bucks could just do this straight up, right? I don't know if, if they would. I think likely you've seen a couple scenarios or a couple projections of like Atlanta or Portland getting involved because they have Milwaukee picks that they could send back and also they have some, some more young assets. But let's just say for theory's sake here, Celtics are getting Giannis, Jalen Brown is going out. What else would you be willing to part with if anything? Or what's like where do you draw the line with what else goes out with Jalen Brown in that?
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Greg Menegas
I think it's crazy if the Celtics give up Anything other than Jalen Giannis because of the injury history and the fact that he has one one year left on his deal. Right. Like, I think Jalen has a better contract than Giannis, so. And the fact that he's not injury prone like Giannis is. I think it has to be a straight up deal. If the Celtics were to do anything, maybe there's like a pick swap that you throw in there just in case, like, the, the Bucks need some sort of assurance. But, like, that would be the, the limit, I think, would be a pick swap in the Bucks favor.
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Will
Yeah, I think, I think a pick, a pick swap, something like that. I'd be okay with even one pick going out, especially with the lottery odds about to be flattened. Like, it's a little less risky giving it up because it's kind of going to be. To be even more of a crapshoot. So I, I think we're on the same page there where I think one, like, if, if it's just Giannis coming back, Jalen and one pick going out is kind of the max that, that I would go to.
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Greg Menegas
But then we have to say we have to take his brother so that, like, negates the pick, right? So, like, like, okay, we're taking Thanasis and Alex and Kumpo. We're not giving you the pick anymore. Like, they can either come with us or you get the pick. One of the two.
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Will
We got to compete with the analysis podcast and we've got the White Noise podcast. We're gonna have too many player podcasts to compete with in this space. I don'.
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Greg Menegas
Know, maybe try to have a podcast at one point.
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Will
He did recently. Didn't. It was like him and his brothers or something. It didn't. Yeah, didn't. Didn't.
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Greg Menegas
Not everyone is built for this, Will.
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Will
Not everyone is built for it, baby.
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Greg Menegas
I'm, I'm really interested to see if Derek Wet continues the White Noise podcast. I think it'd be really interesting to see if he does. I've listened to a few episodes. I think he's gotten a lot better since the very first episode where, like, he clearly had never done it before. I think he's gotten better. I think it gives a really good opportunity to, like, just see conversations with, with the guys on the team, which, like, we're probably not going to have access to unless Bleacher Report comes through and hooks it up. But, you know, I, I just think, you know, some people underestimate how, how hard it's going to be.
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Will
Hey, man, maybe we'll maybe we'll just end up on a Jalen Brown stream one day. We'll just hang out in the background. We'll be those dudes, you know, GRD made it, Caveman made it. So, you know, there's. There, there's hope for us yet. All right, let's talk. Let's put Giannis to the side. Let's talk. And we talked about this before we signed on here. So I have some actual trades that I put together, a couple that are ridiculous, some that maybe at least have a framework. You basically took this assignment that we talked about and just made like a list of guys or a list of types of guys that you'd be interested in. So I want to do it this way. Walk me through some of the guys that you have, and as you do, if one of them matches up with either a player type or the exact player that you're talking about, I'll jump in and tell you my trade. If none of them come up, we'll run through them at the end.
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Greg Menegas
Okay. I'm gonna start with the Orlando Magic. Franz Wagner, Jalen Suggs, some sort of deal with that gets us both of those guys for Jalen, I think, you know, or, or Paulo, but I don't know if they would do Apollo deal. But I think those three guys on the Magic are guys that I'm targeting as I'd be open to the return. I still wouldn't want to do it, but I could at least get talked into being like, oh, we got a little bit more depth here and we got younger.
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Will
Yeah. I mean, again, Jalen Suggs, the Marcus Smart comparisons make themselves. Like, to be fair to Marcus, Jalen's not at that level yet. Right. Like, Jalen has not proven to be at the level that Marcus Smart got to. And he might still be at after showing some questions.
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Greg Menegas
Does that mean he's not even at the level of Baylor Charman?
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Will
Potentially. Potentially. I mean, it was, it was a pretty rough postseason for, for Jalen Suggs. It wasn't. It wasn't great. So. And I know Jalen Suggs has been your. Your guy for a while, so. And listen, he is good like I. But he also has a pretty inflated contract that I'm not stoked about. Like when you remove just who he is as a player, his contract is like Derrick White esque without the dare. And this is tough to say right now given the recent playoff series without the Derrick White level production. Right. Like, if you're gonna have a 30 million dollar superstar role player, they got to be a superstar role player. And we. And we just saw the issues with that in the Sixers series. Right. Like, Derrick White wasn't the superstar role player. Quick question. Like, that was really harmful.
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Greg Menegas
Would you be open to a straight up swap? Derek White for Jalen Suggs?
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Will
No, I just. I just from what I see out of Jalen Suggs, man, the. The threes that he takes, and maybe it's just a byproduct of how bad Orlando's offense is. Like, maybe it would be different with him given the surroundings that. That he would have here. But then again, I mean, he's like, Desmond Bain's a good offensive player. Wagner's a good offensive player. Paolo is a good offensive player. Like, the decisions that Suggs empowers himself with scare me. Like, it's, like, it's even worse. Marcus Smart is what. Is what I see when I watch it. And his defense can be great, but also just. He's constantly injured. Like, I'm just. Derrick White had a moment this postseason that is going to be tough to forget. I'm not ready to. To trade it for Jalen Suggs. There's probably other guys that we could come across that I would consider Jalen Suggs for multiple reasons. Reasons. It's not one of them.
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Greg Menegas
I didn't want to make this a Derek White trade episode, but would you let me do one? One more. One more Derek White idea?
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Will
Yeah, go for it.
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Greg Menegas
And then I just thought of this right now. I didn't. I didn't plan to have this conversation. Derek White for Lou Dort.
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Will
See, that's interesting. That's one I would have to consider because of. Oh, man. I'm starting to really not like Lou Dort, so that makes me not want to do this.
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Greg Menegas
And I think there would probably need to be one other thing that came the Celtics way because Derek White's a better player than Lou Dort.
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Will
Yeah, I would agree. And they've got plenty of draft picks, so I don't think that would be. That would be an issue. It's interesting because Lou Dort's physicality and ability to guard up is something that I feel like we did miss in this postseason. Right. So anything guarding the perimeter, too. Right. So he's not going to be. He can kind of. He's a little bit. Probably more versatile defensively on the whole. I would have to consider this. I think my answer is no, unless you tell me what else is. Is getting. Getting thrown in. But I'd have to sit with. Yeah. I mean, that's a yes. But yeah, I mean I'd have to sit with that a little bit more. That's a, that's a. Let me get back to you one. We got to have a couple meetings on it.
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Greg Menegas
Okay. So in terms of Franz, Jalen, Paolo, any of those names come up in your. Your fake traits?
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Will
So they didn't. But I, but to be fair, I honestly Magic were a complete blind spot. Did not, did not think of them. But I think you're on the right page with like, I mean I think a couple years ago we proposed a Franz for, for Jalen Brown type trade ironically I think actually on a bleach report stream and people did not like that. They were very upset chat that day and I would say no to that trade. I think that's, I think that's a fairly easy. No, just Franz has too many flaws. I just like he's good, he's good. But I just think the potential of what he was two years ago, I wouldn't say he hasn't lived up to it, but I just think if you're trading it for Jalen Brown, it's not enough. Like I gotta, I got. And then I don't think, I don't think the Magic have many picks so unless that's loaded with picks coming with those two, I just, I just don't think it's there. But I think your thought process is correct in the. If we're trading Jalen Brown, it's not Giannis. It's a consolidation for like two really high level role players. Potentially at least one that can be a star.
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Greg Menegas
Yeah. And I think that are younger than Jalen. Right. Jalen going into his age 30 season. I think it will be pretty interesting to see if he's able to maintain the level of health that he's maintained over his career and the level of athleticism. We've seen signs over the past couple years where the athleticism kind of comes and goes. With Jalen like two years ago, obviously the knee injury affected that pretty significantly. But like I thought this year was the bounciest he's looked in a couple of years. Like he had some dunks that, you know, he, he, he used to dunk off the right foot a lot and he, he didn't really do that over the last couple years and I felt like he dunked off the right foot where he would like jump off the right foot and dunk with two hands. He used to do that all the time when he was a rookie in like his first couple years in the league, and I haven't really seen that one foot bounce out of Jalen. He's become a two foot dunker, which I think is really interesting to see that evolution of, of his jumping mechanics over the years. Okay, so I'm gonna go now this one. I, I think you may have actually texted me this deal, so let me just throw it out there. Minnesota Timberwolves. Do you want to talk about the deal that I'm sure you have proposed?
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Will
I don't have it in here because we talked about it in text and I was like, I don't think this is gonna. Gonna work. But basically, if it's the same one that I texted you, it was Naz read and Jaden McDaniels for, for Jaylen Brown.
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Greg Menegas
Okay, so who says no?
- [28:59]
Will
I think the T will say no. I think. Yeah, I think that. I mean, honestly, I think this for the Celtics would, would make a pretty good deal of sense, especially seeing what Jaden McDaniels has been able to do a little bit more offensively. Not to say that he can replicate that. That's tbd, right? But you've seen at least some promise to that. And I think when you think about the Celtics being able to improve their front court, this is probably the thing I found the most difficult in this exercise is finding ways to, to improve the front court to the next level. Like, I think that I, I honestly, other than like, Giannis, I don't really have a trade in here that really does that. Like, a lot of it is going to be similar to some of the things that, that we've talked about, where it's a guard and a wing or it's a couple wings. But finding a way to upgrade the front court right now, I think, at least from the way I'm viewing it, is really, really difficult to do. And so getting a guy like Nas Reed, who, if we're going to play Missoula ball, like, he kind of fits. Fits what the Celtics are, are looking to do, right? Like, he does fit into the mold of players in the past. He can handle the ball a little bit. His passing is okay. Like, I don't think it's, you know, even to the level of, of what Horford brought or something like that, but he gives you a little bit more ver. And then again, you look back at, like, now you have Keda, you have Reed, Garza, whatever.
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Greg Menegas
I mean, you can play together, right? You could play keda, Reed, Tatum, McDaniels.
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Will
Like, that could be for you real big. Exactly. So you give more versatility and, and they're both, you know, those are two pretty talented, high level role players. And again, like I said, McDaniels, I would leave a little opportunity that he could be even a little bit more. So I, I don't have their contracts pulled up for me, so I'd have to take a look at that. But I think that's at least one that I would consider for the T Wolves. I, I think then you mean, obviously you have Aunt Jalen so you're like, cool, that's a great starting place to be. But then you have, you know, you got Randall Gobert, you're just cutting into your depth. Divincenzo's out for next year and like, who knows where that leaves you? I don't know. The Wolves have just a good thing going, so I would feel like for them they would be the quicker to say no. Actually, I don't know if it's a pretty good trade. Like I think it's actually one that makes both, both sides think which is, which is kind of part of this exercise.
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Greg Menegas
So what if it were just take it from the T Wolves if Nas Reed is someone they don't want to move off of. What if it were McDaniels and Randall?
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Will
If you get Jalen Brown 100 and so after I sent you that, I literally, I didn't text it back to you, but I was like, yeah, they would Just counter and go, well, we'll do Randall and McDaniels. That would be their counter. And the Celtics were saying no to that every single time. Right? So. And it's weird because in a vacuum, you can argue that Randall's the better player than Naz Reed. I mean, Jayla's. Randall's made two all NBAs in the last four or five years, made a couple all star teams. But I think we see the same problems year after year with Randall. And, like, the. You know, again, the one time, the times that he pops, like, here, like, okay, I see why this guy. And I used to be a really big Julius Randall fan, and it's kind of gone the opposite. The pendulum swung the other way now, where I'm like, yeah, that guy really limits your ceiling.
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Greg Menegas
I mean, for sure, they're both really surly dudes, too. So, like, in terms of, like, this kind of happy culture that the Celtics have. Have built over the. Over the years. Yeah, like, I kind of like, just in injecting two dudes that are just badasses, like McDaniels and Randall, I think are just both badasses. And I think that is one thing. When we look at trades this off season, like, the Derek White for Jalen Suggs idea, Derek Whiteford, Lou Dort idea is kind of that I just want someone with a little bit more, like, a little meaner. Yeah, we need to get a little bit meaner. And I think that that's something Joe Missoula would probably embrace, honestly, is the. The opportunity to coach these two dudes that are kind of like nutcases.
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Will
Yeah. So, again, I think that's in the right path, but I do think Timberwolves come back and they're like, no. What do Randall McDaniel. Randall and McDaniels Celtics say no, but I think the Reed McDaniels one, if, you know, let's see. They're playing right now, you know, against the. Against the Spurs. Let's see what happens in this series. Like, if they make a third straight Western Conference finals, it's like, how are we gonna break this up? Why are we breaking this up? You know, And. And they're getting older by doing it with Jalen Brown. So that would be the T Wolves hesitation. But I do think it's. It's definitely a conversation. What's. What's next on your list here?
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Greg Menegas
San Antonio spurs, we're calling you up. We're offering you Jalen Brown for de' Aaron Fox and Carter Bryant, maybe. Give me back.
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Will
It's a no for me from the Celtics. I don't want that package.
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Greg Menegas
Okay. Yeah, fair. What. What would, what would you want from the spurs to make that work? I think that's also probably, probably a Derek White for dear and Fox idea. Might. You might be able to get that deal done.
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Will
You know, let me. I'm very curious to get your thoughts. The Aaron Fox has been very whelming to me this, this postseason. I wouldn't say I'm drastically underwhelmed, certainly not overwhelmed by him. He's just been eh. Like. And that's. He. He's been your guy for a little bit. What would have been your thoughts on de' Aaron Fox's postseason so far?
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Greg Menegas
I. I don't know, man. It's tough because like you see him taking minutes from Dylan Harper and Dylan Harper is just like going to be a megastar. Like I, I have all the Dylan Harper stock that can exist right now. Anybody that sold it this year, like I gobbled that stuff up. I think he is unbelievable. So like when you have that and everyone wants Dylan Harper to play more and to like be more in control, I think Fox is kind of, you know, it's detracting from what de' Aaron Fox actually is just because he's on the court with someone that a lot of people want to have play more minutes than him. I actually still like what the iron Fox is able to do. You can't stay in front of him. He's gonna get to his mid ears, pull up. He, he's got good rim pressure, really good pick and roll player, good defender. He's just not Dylan Harper. Like Dylan Harper is an all world defender at 19 years old.
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Will
Right.
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Greg Menegas
But Fox is really opportunistic, gets deals, moves his feet. Well, he's just slight of frame, but he competes, he competes his ass off. So like I've always liked Fox. I do think that. I actually think Fox and Jalen together make more sense than Fox and Tatum together makes sense. So like I don't, I don't love that because I think Jalen, what we saw this year is Jalen just thrives with like a faster pace to the game. Even though Celtics like pace was slow this year, like they were still like getting the ball up the court faster. Like that's not factored in to pace. Pace. Pace is an equation. Right. But like Jason Tatum walking the ball up the Court vs. Jalen Brown or Derrick White or whoever it is who's getting the ball and getting the ball up past half court, there's A noticeable difference. Right. I think Darren Fox, in a very methodical offense might not work, so that would be my main concern. And Jalen's obviously the better player, so I think, you know, Darren Fox, Carter, Bryant, maybe there's something else. A couple picks that are thrown the Celtics way. That would be a pretty low return for Jalen Brown, but I think is probably the type of trade that would. That you'll see at least rumored to be out there.
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Will
Yeah, I think that the Aaron Fox, like, it goes back to your, you know, the. The Bam at a bio idea. Right? Like, that starts to get to be the player where, like, you want to pair Giannis with the Jays. That's just a pipe dream. That's not happening. Bam. Probably also not happening. De' Aaron Fox, now you're more in the range of, like, hey, if we try to keep the Jays and just bring de' Aaron Fox in, like, there's probably a world we can try to figure out where. Where that gets to. Of course, that does involve, you know, Derrick White going out, and, you know, that's probably something that you would. Probably something you would do. I don't know. Fox is better than. He's definitely better than Derek White. It just becomes more. Where do you want your team to go? Like, as far as. How do you envision stylistically playing? Right? Because those three slots, as far as, like, salaries are so important. They have to make sense. If they don't make sense, like, the rest of your team is kind of like. So that's. That's more. Not that Fox isn't better than White. It's more just like a style thing. Right. I think with the Spurs, I just. I. I didn't consider them because they. Dude, I. I mean, yes, I think trading Fox is the only thing that they might do because the rest of their team is just set up for so long, and they're. They're just so stacked. Right. Like you mentioned, Dylan, like, I. Harper and Cat. I threw it out the end of the last podcast. Harper and Castle or Maxi and Edgecomb as your backcourt for the next Harper and Castle?
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Greg Menegas
I think it's Harper and Castle, but they also have.
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Will
Yeah. So it's a little. Little tough.
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Greg Menegas
Right? It's tough because if, like, if they had.
- [38:58]
Will
When.
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Greg Menegas
If Maxi and Edgecomb had Wemby behind them, they might look different in that context.
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Will
If they had a real version of Joel Embiid behind them and not the guy who flops all the time.
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Greg Menegas
Right.
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Will
I mean, there's a different combo, dude.
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Greg Menegas
The. The defense that those two dudes are able to play just because they have women. And we saw it in person, right? They run that 2, 2, 1 zone, basically, where they just, like, pressure the out of the ball with two guards that will. Will just, like, grab you and hold you, frustrate the hell out of you to get tossed out of the game. We're tapping to Jalen Brown, like, that happens because they can just funnel everything to Wemby, and they just dare people to. To go by them and attack Wemby. And Wemby's just going to be sitting there, and if he's not throwing elbows into a jaw, he's gonna. He's gonna be there all night. So, yeah, take an elbow.
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Will
That's. That's the other part of the NAS retrace, dude.
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Greg Menegas
They were a bunch of tough dudes.
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Will
That's. Yeah.
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Greg Menegas
I gotta say, this Rudy Gobert has just, like, been awesome this postseason. I can't believe how good he looks.
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Will
I've thought the same thing, and I hate it because I usually can't stand Rudy Gobert. He still does, which brings me great joy every postseason because I don't watch a ton of. Of T Wolves and watch a ton of Jazz, but they're always in the playoffs because Rudy Gobert is awesome defensively, and he's been. Dude, he's matched up against Jokic and Wemby. Like, you can't have two more. Dude, He's.
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Greg Menegas
He's like, this is the fastest I've. Like, his feet look quick. Like when he got cooked by Luca in the playoffs. Was that. Was that last year? Two years ago, like, that was. That was, like, the worst Rudy Colbert has ever looked. And it's like he was just, you know, spinning in circles, and it looked like he was at, like, the end of his prime. And now, like, he looks like he did in Utah. It's pretty amazing.
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Will
It looks great, dude. And I was gonna say the. The thing that brings me joy is nobody misses layups in a funnier way than Rudy Gobert. He made a couple at the end of last game, but, dude, he has times where it's just. I. It's like. It's like spit takes sometimes watching. Watching him miss layups at times, it brings me so much joy. But he's been great defensively, so that has definitely stood out to me, too. All right, you got anybody else on the Jalen Brown potential trade list, potential docket?
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Greg Menegas
Let's see. I mean, just the idea that I threw out there the other day of the. Devin. Devin Booker. Dylan Brooks type of package.
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Will
Yeah, I mean that's one that you have to consider for sure. I mean, I, I don't know if the, if the money works because Devin Booker already makes a lot of money. So I, I think that's kind of his contract.
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Greg Menegas
He. A ton of money. I didn't realize he made that much money. I would never, never want that. No.
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Will
Yeah.
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Greg Menegas
I thought he was in like the 40 range. He's 20. He's like 29, 20, 30. He's making 63. So just erase everything I said about potentially trading for Darren Fox.
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Will
Yeah, I, I didn't look it up, but I knew it was higher than probably what you think. In my head I was like, Derek White tray could work. I was like, wait a minute. Actually, I don't know if it can. You gotta add Derrick White and you got to add Sam Houser and Peyton Bridger just to get to the contract doing this.
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Greg Menegas
So.
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Will
So, but, but I think people, it's the offseason, that's what we do. So I think along those lines of the Devin Booker de' Aaron Fox, like, so I don't know if you've seen this out out there, but it's like, what about like a Jalen Brown, Jamal Murray type type, you know, type swap. So I don't think that's. I don't want to do Jalen Rapper Jamal Murray straight up. That just doesn't make any sense to me. So I tried to find a way, like, what else could I make work? So this is one of the trades I actually came up with that I think is in the same vein. Jamal Murray is not as good as Devin Booker. I think he's probably better than the Aaron Fox or they're at least comparable, but it's in that same range. So it would be Jamal Murray, Cam Johnson, the 2031 first, which is like the only first round pick that the Nuggets have. And then it would be for Jalen Brown, Sam Houser and it basically comes out to. It's about a Celtics eat 5 million on that deal. But I don't like that deal. But that's like really the only way to do it without making it a three way. But I think that would have to be Devin the, the Devin Booker, Dylan Brooks without looking at their exact contracts. That's probably a similar setup. Better players, but that would be a similar setup.
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Greg Menegas
Yeah, I just think like going back to my, my thesis as to why you might want to trade for Giannis. Like you're trading for Giannis because you're looking at the competition around the league and you're like, we need to get bigger and we need to be able to contend with the. The like absolute unicorns that are running through the league. Jamal Murray doesn't like Brad Stevens. We need dunks and rim pressure. Jamal Murray does not do that. Cam Johnson does not do that. Right. Jalen Brown is the guy who offers the most room pressure on the team. So I think you're just like getting way too jump shot happy with Jason Tate. Like, Jamal Murray's kind of like a point guard version of Jason Tatum, like offensively, where he's going to settle for a lot of jump shots and whatnot. So I don't like the. The fit between Murray and Tatum.
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Will
Okay, so let's, let's. Because let's go to a few of the trades that I have here. And like I said, I, I think you're spot on about, like, trying to upgrade in the front court's really hard, dude. Like, that's going to be something that, when we really dig into, like, free agency, what's out there? Like, as much as the Pacers luck was really awful in the lottery. Having it go to five. Like, that was part of the reason that we were trying to figure out how do we get Zubot watch here, because it's really hard to find somebody to upgrade that front court position. So I. It's. It's something I think to keep in mind here. And I really only. So I have a couple trades here. So I mentioned the Jamal Murray one. I've got three others here that I, I want to go through outside of a Yanis trade that I had, and there's only one that I found. This is one where it really requires kind of the other team to, you know, not be run well, which is a thing that happens in the NBA. We've seen that Luca got traded and then this next guy.
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Greg Menegas
Are you giving me Demontes the bonus right now?
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Will
No. Hell no, dude. Okay.
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Greg Menegas
Hang up. I was about to hang up. I'm not ready for.
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Will
No, no, this. So I'm gonna give you the guy that Luca was traded for. So I want to figure out how much. Where is the value in this trade? This is because I. I really struggled to figure out where it is. So the Celtics are calling up the Washington Wizards, who just got the number one pick in the chance to draft AJ DeBancer from Brockton, Mass.
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Greg Menegas
Jalen's boy.
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Will
So if we're going to trade them for him, it's going to be Anthony Davis in the Number one pick for Jalen Brown. Hugo Gonzalez and the Celtics first round pick this year.
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Greg Menegas
No. The Wizards say hell no.
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Will
Dude, hold on, let me. So I, I think you're probably right. Before I ask the, the question of how would, how many picks would the cells have to add to. For the, for the Wizards to say yes, here's the. The pitch on it. Anthony Davis is already rumored to want out. He doesn't even want to be there. Right. Like so I think he can, he can opt out, I think after, after next year. If you're the Wizards, you traded the 30th pick in the draft in an old shoebox and a bag of potato chips to get him. You traded nothing to get Anthony Davis. So you're just looking at him as your salary filler to go ahead so that we can get Jalen. And essentially it's really if you're figuring like hey, AD was maybe probably never going to play for us anyways. So we're trading AD we're trading the number one pick, but we're trading the number one pick for Jalen Brown. Hugo Gonzalez, who has a lot of potential. The Celtics late first this year, which is whatever. And then how many picks do the Celtics need to get for this? To every pick.
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Greg Menegas
Washington, every pick. Like you just don't trade the number one pick when you have AJ Available there. He's. I think he's that special of a talent where like the cost controlled nature of it. You're selling your, your, your fans on like the hope of the next 10 years, you know. And just to let you know how questionable of an idea this is, Matt Manning texted me a very similar idea, Will. So like you and Matt Manning are coming up with the same deals and like that's never a good look. Shout out to Madman.
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Will
Yeah, let's cross that out. We'll have to cross that off the list. But no, no, I knew this is one that, that wasn't realistic one. It would just be cool to have AJ Devanza in Boston, right?
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Greg Menegas
Oh yeah. I think the only way that works is if AJ DeBance is like hey, I want to play in Boston.
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Will
I don't. There's no way that like no one's ever done that with like hey, yeah, they have the 27th pick but I want to go there. Right. Still had the second pick. It might be a little bit different.
- [47:29]
Greg Menegas
I think you could. I think that's where the Jason Tatum thing could come into play. Anthony Davis, number one pick for Jason Tatum straight up. Maybe the Wizards. Listen.
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Will
Yeah, maybe Maybe that's it. I, Yeah, I knew that one was launched. That was one with like green colored glasses on where it's like, let's just see if this works and if we could talk yourself into it. And you know, again, like I keep saying the front course be really hard to upgrade and you'd be gambling on AD ever staying healthy. But like, AD if healthy is similar to the idea of bringing in Giannis or somebody that can, that could match up with it. So that's why I wanted to bring that up. But yeah, that's.
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Greg Menegas
I thought you were just gonna pitch a, A, a JB for AD trade and like, what else do the, the Wizards have to send outside of the number one pick? I didn't, I didn't even think the number one pick was going to be on the table.
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Will
Yeah, I mean, I mean, theoretically they could. But this is also the issue with like, why, I mean, you would just likely never trade the number one pick for, you know, a guy who's 29. If JB was Anthony Edwards, maybe it's more of a conversation. Right. But part of the reason that they also would never make that trade is like, like all of their young guys are like, okay to like maybe potential. Like, there's not anybody that's like, jumps out. Like, SAR has had moments. He's cool. Like, from what I've seen, like, he's okay like Trey Johnson. Like Keonte is no Dave Keyshawn. George Keante. George is in, is in Utah. I think I get them confused all the time. But they have like, you know, I mean, this is, that's, that's why I didn't even go down that route because I'm like, you'd have to give me like all of your young guys. And even then I'm like, I don't even know if I like, who am I excited about. About here to trade Jalen Brown. So that's, that's why I didn't go down, go down that path. But I did do one other draft related trade here. So let's see how you feel about this one. So this is between Celtics and the Clippers. Okay. So again, they're done with the Kawhi era. They're done with Kawhi. So we're doing Kawhi and the number five pick. I put in Chris Dunn here to, to make salaries. You can do it with or without Chris Dunn if you know, you don't have to match salaries. Exactly. And Clippers would get Jalen Brown and the Celtics first round pick this year. Which is number 27. They'd reset with Jalen Brown, Darius Garland, and just kind of go forward from there. Because if they want to be done with Kawhi, if they don't want to deal with the Kawhi stuff anymore. Number five for Jalen Brown. Celtics traded number five for Ray Allen way back in the day. JB's probably at a higher level than. Than Ray Allen was at that point in his career, but it has, you know, it has a little bit of precedence to it.
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Greg Menegas
Yeah. And like the clip, it's. It's nice for the Clippers to have the number five pick because they didn't. They needed to get a pick in that Zubotz deal. Right. And it like a pick for now. They've got two picks for later. So I think with. With that, I feel like the Celtics say no to that deal, but I think. I don't know if that deal really works for either team, to be honest with you. Kawhi just. He's so unreliable. The number five pick in a four player draft, I don't know if that's like, how much value that has. Like, all these young guards that can score. That's all fun and everything, but, like, there are four players in this draft that you could like, realistically build a franchise around, and I think it's three. I don't think Cam Boozer's that guy. So, you know, I think the number five pick. And you pray to God that Peterson falls out of the top four. Like, maybe. But that, that. That's just my thought.
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Will
Yeah. I mean, the first thing I thought about is how much I would hate our lives podcasting about Kawhi Leonard injury updates.
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Greg Menegas
I just don't want to be the worst.
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Will
Like, I, like, I just. I just don't want to do it. And like, to your point, number five, it gets to a point where you're right. I think both teams actually probably say no to this because it just doesn't make enough sense where the Clippers are gonna. This will be the only pick the Clippers have for a while. They got a few more draft picks, like from the Pacers trade. I think one other trade. But like, like this is going to be their best chance to draft really high and get a superstar on super low. And like, it's like if you pair Darius Garland and Jalen Brown. Cool. But what is that? You know what I mean? Like, that's. That's not enough to build off in three, four years to make. To make that worth it. So I think everybody says no, in that as well. But I've seen a little bit of the Kawhi for Jalen stuff out there as well, so flirted with it, see what it. See what it looked like. And like I said, there isn't a trade that I found that I really enjoyed except for Giannis, and even that I wouldn't even say enjoy is the right word. It's just palatable. Like, that's probably the best word is it's palatable.
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Greg Menegas
We do not want to trade Jalen Brown.
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Will
Yeah. To be clear, that's the whole part of. That's the whole point of this podcast, is we don't want to trade Jalen Brown. But I got one crazy one that I can throw at you here. Unless you got something else, and then we can. We can wrap up. But I got one crazy one. Unless you got something else.
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Greg Menegas
I mean, I saw somebody throw out there. Keegan Murray and Demonte Sabonas for Jalen, and I almost vomited.
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Will
Yeah, yeah, no, that's. That's. Just. Get that the out of here. Okay, let me. Let me give you the.
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Greg Menegas
I think it literally gave me a hemorrhoid.
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Will
I did one three team deal, Greg, and this one, I think one of these teams probably needs some more picks so that, you know, we'll. We'll factor that in. But I've got the Celtics got the Rockets, I got the Pelicans in the trade machine right now.
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Greg Menegas
Talk to me.
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Will
For the Celtics, they're gonna get. Fred Van Vliet's gonna opt in to his contract here for this deal. Celtics are going to get Fred Van Vliet. Amen. Thompson, Clint Capella and Trey Murphy. The Rockets get Jalen Brown, the Pelicans get Peyton Pritchard, Hugo Gonzalez, Dorian, Finney Smith. And right now I have one pick from Boston, a Phoenix pick from Rockets going to the Pelicans. Pelicans probably need at least another pick, maybe two in there, maybe some protections on it from. From somebody.
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Greg Menegas
So the Pelicans are just giving up Trey Murphy.
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Will
Exactly. So the Pelicans are giving up Trey Murphy, and as of right now, before any edits, they're getting back Peyton Pritchard, Hugo Gonzalez, Finney Smith is mostly salary filler, and then they're getting two first round picks.
- [53:24]
Greg Menegas
Okay, Celtics are getting Van Vliet. Amen.
- [53:27]
Will
Thompson, Clint Capella, who's mostly salary filler and tramer.
- [53:31]
Greg Menegas
Okay,
- [53:34]
Will
goes to the Rockets.
- [53:35]
Greg Menegas
Let's talk about green tinted glasses, bro. Trey Murphy. And I'm in. Thompson coming back and sign me the up.
- [53:42]
Will
So okay, so, so here's, here's the case for that Trey, Trey Murphy I think is, you know, I think that's just the guy that's always been target. He seems like a very, you know, a very easy Celtics fit. I'm in Thompson. We talked about just like not having enough, enough athleticism. One of the things that we're also seeing I think in the playoffs is we start with Amen in the Rockets, Lakers. We're seeing it with Asar at times with the Pistons. These guys are awesome, but they can't shoot and they're a liability at the end of a game. So Amen Thompson is going into the last year of his rookie deal. I think it's going to be kind of fascinating to see what you would bet on. Amen Thompson for an actual contract extension and who he is. Because I, as much as I like Amen, I like watching him in Asar. If you give them the type of super max deals or close to max deals, I think those could be franchise killing contracts. Like I think they're building. They're both good. I think they're high level role players. But my question is like, is this them selling high and Red Van Vliet is just a, a contract to them at this point. Like in depend it really they're going
- [54:44]
Greg Menegas
to war with Kevin Durant, Jalen Brown and, and Alperence Changun Jabari Smith, Jabari Smith, Tari Eason. Yeah, I mean they, they still got. I mean that's not bad. That's not bad. I don't. Maybe the Pelicans need Jabari Smith in that deal.
- [55:03]
Will
Yeah, I mean that's. This is where I'm saying I think the Pelicans are the team that's actually more than anybody is probably missing something here. I don't know if it's more picks or you know, because Peyton Prison Ugo is nice but like that's not enough for Trey Murphy. You know what I mean? So they were probably the ones missing something. I'd have to figure out what that is. But like I think from a Celtics perspective, right. Amen gives you the athleticism that you don't have. Fred Van Vliet turns into your Anthony Simons for a year where he's probably coming in as a six man. You got Derrick White you go Amen. Thompson you go. Trey Murphy you go Tatum you go Keda as you're starting five Capella is just a salary filler, but regular season he can buy some minutes for you.
- [55:40]
Greg Menegas
You know what, maybe it is Will, maybe It's Peyton Pritchards on the Rockets, Reed Shepherds on the Pelicans.
- [55:46]
Will
Yeah, maybe something like that could work too. Yeah. I mean, do you think, again, Reed had moments. The read dynamic with IME is crazy. Like they just seem like they're not. So. So maybe you're right. Maybe that is the move just because they don't seem to mess with each other.
- [56:00]
Greg Menegas
Right. And then he may gets two of his Boston guys. Right. He gets Peyton and Jalen. So maybe, maybe.
- [56:07]
Will
I think that was the one that came up with where I was like, all right, maybe, you know, you get it. Like you said, it works out pretty well for the Celtics where they end up with Thompson and Trey Murphy. Yeah. But I, I think you can make some realistic, you know, arguments as to all of that making somewhat sense for teams. But the end of the day, as we wrap up this podcast, I just don't want to trade Jalen Brown. I don't want to trade Jalen Brown again. If the conversation ends up with Giannis, I think we both land in the same spot. Jalen, maybe a pick is about the max. I'd go. And I think that's probably going to end up being a three way deal if it is something that does manifest. But trading for Giannis is the only thing I can really wrap my head around. I think. Otherwise we're going to be sitting here having a really sad podcast later this summer if the Celtics do move Jalen Brown.
- [56:54]
Greg Menegas
Listen, my man, because you made me do this, you're gonna have to humor me. We're gonna have to do a Jason Tatum trade podcast.
- [57:01]
Will
We can do it. I'm gonna shut a lot of them down, but we can, we can certainly do it. Well, let's put a bow on this here, Greg. We don't want to trade Jalen Brown. We had to do this podcast. It's. We host a podcast. This is a topic. We got to talk about it. We've talked about it. I think other than us making in, you know, a reference to just. Just referencing that this is a possibility, I think this is the last time all off season. Unless there's an actual physical proposed trade with sources that makes sense for us to talk about, I think this is the last time we talk about real Jalen Brown trades or mock Jalen Brown trademark. It's all offseason.
- [57:37]
Greg Menegas
I'm into it. I'm into it. I don't want to trade Jalen. Keep Jaylen Brown in Boston.
- [57:42]
Will
That's it. That's the end of the podcast. That's what we want everybody to leave with. Keep Jaylen Brown in Boston. Find a way to get better on the margins. We've got a tpe. We've got the mid level. We'll do more podcasts on those topics later this summer, so make sure you guys stay tuned. We're going to go catch the end of Spurs Timberwolves right now. It's third quarter, spurs up 615422 series. Best series of the second round, so we're gonna go check that out. We'll be back probably Sunday or early Monday morning with our next podcast. So make sure you guys stay locked in at Green Envy Pod across all of our socials. We'll have more for you like subscribe all that. Appreciate you guys Download the Bleach Report app. We will catch you guys later. Peace.
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