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Green With Envy: A Boston Celtics Podcast
The First Annual "The Middies" Awards ft. Jaylen Brown, Jonathan Kuminga and More!
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Will
This is Mike Gorman and you're listening to Green with Envy with Will and Greg. All right everybody, welcome into a special presentation of Green with Envy. Today's show is no ordinary show. It's the Middies. This is our mid season award show here on Green with Envy. We've got some trophies to give out, some awards and you know we're going to do in our own special Green with Envy way, a little bit of flavor, a little bit of sauce. This isn't your traditional mid season award show so if you're looking for that, you've come to the wrong place. But if you're, if you're one of our faithful listeners or our loyals or hopefully a new listener, then hopefully this is going to be entertaining for you. So you guys know the deal. Sit back, relax. Let's lock in. This is Green with Envy. What up, what up, what up? Welcome into another edition of Green with Envy. As always checking in. How you doing? How you living? And tonight I'm doing double duty here as your host of our first ever, the Midis. This is going to be our mid season award show that we get into. We were going to record last night after the Celtics Pacers game but honestly we're going to be stretching for content to be able to really find something. So we took a beat and we decided let's get real creative with this. Just like we like to do here in green with envy. So today's show we've got the Midis for you. And of course joining me to give out these illustrious awards, as always, my best friend, co host and the coach of our podcast, the one and only Greg Meneakis. Greg, we didn't necessarily dress up. I thought about this too late. Would have been good, would have been a good gimmick for us if we, if we really took this to the next level. Some, some ties. I mean I think a tuxedo might be pushing it a little bit. But yeah, I think maybe, I think maybe next year for, for year two of the Middies, then we can, we can maybe really do it up big dude.
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Greg
Now I really regret not dressing up right now. We can always pause. We could always just leave this blank for 1 minute and see who comes back with the best outfit that could be content right there. You know what I was thinking? You said we didn't, we didn't have an award for Jaylen Brown. That was something just behind the curtains. We were talking about off, off air before we came on here. Why don't we just name this after Jaylen Brown? The Midis. He's the mid range assassin. Assassin. Let's just name the entire segment after.
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Will
He transcends the award show. The man is the award show. It's in his honor. AKA the Middies. And you know I mentioned before we were going to record last night after the Pacers game and for a couple different reasons just, just didn't work out. But we do want to touch on that game here before we get to our mid season awards. Celtics pulled off a 119 to 104 victory and you know, no shocker. Jaylen Brown, you know, what does he do every game? Greg just scores 30 points every night, night in and night out. Jaylen Brown 30 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals. Another game that just, you know, it's the reason why the Midis are called the Midis. Let's be real, it's for nights like those from Jaylen Brown.
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Greg
Absolutely. And when you think back to the previous game where Jaylen misses the, the, the buzzer beater shot where he shoots a midi over Tobias Harris and. And ends up missing it. I've been thinking a lot about Jalen Brown and how his efficiency from the mid range has dipped a little bit as the seasons progress because he just came out shooting otherworldly and, you know, water always finds its level. That's still pretty high for Jalen Brown this year. But last night, man, like, with jb, and I've been thinking a lot about why I love this season from him. He's just like doubling and tripling down on exactly who he is as a player. And like all the words that he speaks into existence, it's all just like manifesting into a reality that I don't think many people saw coming. Apologies to the legendary TE Nelson, who's one of our most commented listeners who always just talks about how he called that Jalen Brown was going to be mvp. Shout out to you, my guy. You did call it. Jalen Brown's playing at a level that seemingly only you saw, but it's just been really special with the physicality that he's brought to the game. Which is why I couldn't believe people were so down on him after the. The Pistons game because he was the only guy who matched the physicality of the Pist. And he has, you know, imprinted his physicality in every game this season. And against the Pacers, they just didn't have anybody that could deal with him. Like, he was going at Aaron E. Smith, who is a really physical defender in himself, and he was just pushing him out of the way, you know, what's the, the kid's name that scout was given a lot of credit to from Houston? Jabari. Is it Jabari.
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Will
Jabari Smith.
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Greg
No, no, no. Jarris Walker. Jarris Walker.
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Will
Oh, Jerry Walker. So sorry. Last night from Indiana.
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Greg
From. From Indiana. And like, that was the one time where Jaylen, like, bumped up to some, bumped into someone who was like, as physical as him, and then he ended up, like, putting him into the baseline, right? He was like, bumped him into the stanchion. Nobody can handle Jaylen Brown's physicality. And that's what I've really appreciated about him this year.
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Will
I appreciate that he's getting appreciated, right? Because I think it's always. It's always been. Yeah, but with Jaylen Brown, right? There's no. But this year. It's just. Yeah, it just. He's awesome. Full stop. That's it. There's nothing else that. That needs to be said. And even, like, you know, when you think about it, like within Celtics discourse, you know, there you have to inevitably be like, there's this Jason and Jalen element to it, right? And Tatum found a way to kind of transcend that a little bit, right? Where he put himself in a separate class in this rightfully so right in this top five NBA player, all at four straight first team, all NBAs. And you know, it's just one of those interesting things throughout the history of the NBA where when you have these like dynamic duos, you always kind of wonder like, how would that second guy have been? Like Pippen for example, like with MJ and Pippen, when MJ goes to play baseball, you know, and this is where Jalen Brown's season has been compared to a lot, right? Is that Pippen season where he's first team all NBA Bulls win, I think like 50, some 50 plus games make it to the second round competitive series and it's like, okay, like, like yeah, of course with mj they're winning the championship, but with Pippen, like they're retooling like they're right there. And that's kind of what's happening with Jalen Brown. And you know, I saw earlier tonight, it's rivalry week in the NBA and it's, it was Mavs and, and warriors are playing right now and they were like, splash bros go at it. And you know, it's, it's not really the Splash bros go at it there. You know, the Clay's past is prime, but Clay's a prime example of the guy where when they were winning championships, especially pre Kevin Durant and pre injury, where it was, is Clay the best player? And that was never probably ever true. But there was like Charles Barkley said this at one point. Like it didn't. Wasn't just anybody saying it. Like there was guys on TV that were talking about his two way ability and what there was this.
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Greg
Yeah, people forget how great of a defender Clay was, right?
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Will
And there's this wonderment of yes, he's just this awesome shooter, but like what could he be if he was given more? But he doesn't do as much because of what Draymond and Steph have and how you play off Dre, how you play off Steph's gravity and all of this. And now with Jalen, you just don't have to wonder anymore. Like the, the biggest wonderment is how you reintegrate Tatum. And that's a conversation that we're going to have eventually about how that all looks. But the wonderment of what is Jalen on his own, that's gone. We know he's just, he's just straight up awesome. There's no. Tatum is rising him to, to be more than he is. Jalen just is. That's it.
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Greg
Yeah. No, I love that. I love that. Anything else you want to hit on with the Pacers game? You want to get into these awards? Because I'm excited for these awards.
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Will
Let's get into it because. Because I think two of the guys that I would want to talk about that played really well last night. They're going to come up in and what we're doing here. So let's go ahead and let's get into our first ever Midi's awards. So this is just going to be awards that we wanted to give out through the midway point of the NBA season. We're in the dog days of the NBA. Like, right. Like we could do more trade talk. We've done trade talk. We know what the Celtics need. We know the handful of players. Like we, we just can't get there. We have two weeks until the deadline. We'll have more conversation on that. But right now we want to have a little fun. Make sure that we shout out and I think especially for me, I tried to shout out a couple of guys that we talk about, but we don't dive deeply into enough. So we've got a couple different awards here. We'll explain as we do. These are going to be some very long winded awards and they're going to have pop culture references, are going to be referencing things that we talk about in the show. So hang in there. Let's just. I'll just leave it at that. Hang in there as we go through these awards. Greg, would you like to give out the. The first ever award or would you like me to do the honors?
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Greg
I think you should do the honors because just pulling the curtain back, you have more awards to give out than I have. You have four, I have three. So I think it makes sense for you to go first.
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Will
All right. So giving out the first in the first award here at the Midis today. This award is a shout out to Game of Thrones. Just came back the other night. I don't know if you saw the new I've been watching now available. I do recommend. I think it's going to. I think, I think we're in for a good time. I wouldn't say the first episode to me was amazing, but I like where it's going. I love the idea. It's kind of a comedy, which is really interesting. It's a very different game of Thrones style. So Night of the Seven Kingdoms. So my first award here is going to be the Game of Thrones. Winter is Coming But Spring is Around the Corner Award. And it goes to. Congratulations to Derrick White. He is the winner of the game. Winter is Coming But Spring is Around the Corner award. So Greg, we came on the show a couple weeks ago and we were kind of doing our all star picks and I really felt very confident. Like Derrick White has such a rock solid case. He has been dog shooting the like just horrendous. And so shout out to Chris Forsberg. He had this really great statistic the other day and maybe you saw this graphic or not, but apparently January is just not the month for Derrick White. So in this particular year. So right now in the month of January, Derek white is shooting 24.7 from three and only 36.9 overall. I think is likely his all star case has, has gone by the wayside.
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Greg
Just real.
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Will
But when you actually peel back the curtain and kind of just look at his numbers across his career here. So it's pretty staggering. Greg. So points per game and I'm gonna go through three different stats here. Field goal shooting, three point shooting and points per game. His let's start with his points per game just throughout the year. So in October his average is 15. November 14th.6, December 16th.2. January 13.4, lowest it is in any month in his career. 17.3 in February. Very key to remember February. Big bounce back year for Derek White. A big bounce back month. 17.3, 15.2 in March and 13.6 in April. Let's go to his three point shooting in October he's a 37.5 shooter. November ticks up to 39.2, settles back down to 36.9 in December. January dips down to 33%. February we get a jump back up to 43%. March 38 or excuse me, 37.4%. April 37 kind of. And water finds this level. But January again, the month that it's dipping the most overall field goal shooting. Basically he's right. He's the lowest he goes in any month is 43.6% except for January where he dips down to 39.7% field goal shooting. So winter is coming and winter is here for Derrick White. And apparently winter is not kind to Derrick White does not like January. And when you think about it, we talk so much about the, you know, JJ Redick induced shooting slump of, of the past. I think there was, I think, I think even Two out of the last three years before, you know, JJ switched from podcasting to coaching is when we saw that dip and I hadn't placed it, but apparently those must have been in January when you. The Derrick White shoot.
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Greg
I remember. It's funny, I remember listening to a podcast one Christmas. I was just like outside walking and it was either them talking about the Derrick White slump or it was Derek White on the JJ Redick podcast right before the slump. So it's funny that you mentioned that.
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Will
Yeah. So Derrick White right now. Hang in there, guys. January is Almost over. We're January 22nd right now. February's around the corner. And those numbers in February jump up real nice for Derrick White. And he's been, you know, and here's the thing, his numbers, despite the fact that he's, you know, shooting the ball so poorly, really from threes, he's actually shooting better from 2 this month than he has all season. But he's just that bad from three right now. His other numbers are still great, right? Like, he's still averaging like two and a half stocks and average, you know, two, two and a half, three stocks, six assists right now. Doesn't really turn the ball over. So he's still doing the Derrick White things. But that shooting turns around. That's really going to be a big difference for this team, especially with some of the other guys in the way that they're playing that we'll talk about here. But Derek White, you are the winner of the Game of Thrones. Winter is coming, but spring is around the corner award.
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Greg
Love it, man. Well done. Well done. I Think that was a great inaugural award here for, for the midis. Okay. I love the sound effects, by the way. Great. I didn't realize we had a live studio audience.
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Will
Hey, sometimes you never know, man. People just in the chat, I don't know how, I don't know how they're coming through, but people, people, people were trying to beat down the door to find tickets to, you know, we got to give the people what they want.
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Greg
Okay, my award. Let's see if I land the plane on this one.
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Will
My board excited.
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Greg
This one's called the Tobias Funke Hair Plug Award. Okay. All right, so I'm work, I'm workshopping this award and I want to be very clear up top. I am not making fun of anybody. This is pure curiosity, okay? Pure curiosity here.
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Will
I might have to smack the out of you, it sounds like.
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Greg
So I'm calling this one the Tobias Funke Hair Plug Award. Now, I know Jordan Walsh has alopecia. Okay, that's not a joke. It's a very real thing. I'm sure it's been incredibly difficult for him to deal with his entire life. So this is not ridicule, right? This is genuine observation. And you as my best friend, you know, you started losing your hair when you were what, 18?
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Will
Yeah, I think our guy Gyro called one of our best friends guy called it out when we were like 16 and we were all like, dude, you're crazy. I just have short hair. And by 18, there was no denying it.
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Greg
Yep. So go cue the music. So the, the Tobias Funke Hair Plug Award goes to Jordan Walsh.
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Will
Because.
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Greg
Am I crazy, Will, or does it look like his hair is coming in a little bit lately?
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Will
So I had not, I'll be honest, Greg had texted me something about this yesterday before the game and I was like, I don't know, man. I have like, had not crossed my mind watching the game last night. I think it was some point in the second quarter. They were fading away to, to commercial. And it just so happened that the camera angle, Jordan Walsh was, was coming, was coming through the main part of, of the camera. And I just see in the top right corner of the back of his head. I'm just like, there's a hair patch. He was like, I, I, I thought you were just seeing things, you're seeing shadows. I, I, I don't know, man. I had, I've been thinking this for.
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Greg
Weeks, dude, that's the thing, I've been thinking this for weeks and if his hair is growing back, like, I love that for him Truly, I'm all the.
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Will
Way in on this, obviously, balding community as. As. As a. As a member of the. Of the balding community, which I think technically we qualify as alopecia members, but I don't know. That might be subject. But we support this. That's just gonna put that out there. Full. Full support of hair growing back.
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Greg
I love it. I feel like, because you are follically challenged, that it's okay for me to talk about it on the show. Right. But it does raise some questions.
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Will
Is this the equivalent of, I have a black friend, but you have a bald friend. It's okay.
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Greg
I have your permission. I got the pass.
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Will
Yeah, you gotta pass. You gotta pass.
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Greg
Okay, okay, okay.
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Will
Yeah, you're good.
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Greg
So my question is, are him and Jalen Brown on the same hair growth plan? Okay, is there a Celtics group chat where somebody dropped a link? Are they gonna get Derrick White in on this? Because Derrick White, you know, he. He. He went bald a few years ago. And hear me out on this one. Did playing great basketball unlock something genetically within Jordan Walsh where his confidence hits a certain level and his follicles hit him up and they're like, all right, dude, we're back. And that's kind of where I'm thinking here, because I dated a girl who had alopecia, and it was, like, trauma, Trauma related, stress related. So by the time I dated her, I didn't know that she had had alopecia. And, like, we had a heart to heart one night, and she shared that with me that, like, a few years back, her boyfriend ended up dumping her because she had alopecia and, like, lost her hair, but her hair grew back, thankfully for her. So I'm not even joking when I say that, like, sometimes the body does respond to, like, a more positive environment and things do stabilize. Which also kind of makes me think about when we had Drew on. Right? Because Drew is. Drew was like, I don't know if we're even allowed to talk about that because we, like, almost referenced something with. With Jordan Walsh and alopecia on. On that show. And I'm like, for. The Dr's not here.
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Will
We're letting it fly.
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Greg
Drew's not here. We're not NBC Sports Boston.
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Will
Right.
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Greg
I feel like we can ask this question, and I just want to say I'm rooting for Jordan Walsh. I'm rooting for him on the court. I'm rooting for him off the court. Everything included, follicles included. Right? So I do think this is a. This is a good one. For Jordan Walsh, he gets the first ever Tobias fiance hair plug award. Let's just hope there's no graft versus host situation like Tobias went through in season three.
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Will
So do we think that this segment or this particular award should be sponsored by Neutrophil?
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Greg
Is that what Jalen Brown is?
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Will
I looked it up while you were talking. That's. That's the. That's Jalen Brown's new. New connection after his hair. Hair incidents, multiple plural early in the season here. So I don't know, Maybe. Maybe that's the link. Maybe. Maybe that's where we're. We're seeing this grow to. I will say that it's. It's an interesting theory. I had the. The confidence in Jordan Walsh is. Is bringing back his hair. And, you know, hey, I mean, listen, for. For a guy who went from McDonald's All American, one of the most hyped, you know, players going into college basketball was projected to be a lottery pick for, you know, preseason and all throughout most of the college basketball season falls to the early parts of the second round, comes in and, you know, has played extremely sparingly in the first two seasons, and this is the first year he's really gotten an opportunity to kind of show who he is. You know, listen, I have no idea. I feel like I've been pretty confident at points. This thing ain't growing back because there's nothing coming back. So I don't know the signs to it. Maybe. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. But, you know, for Jordan Walsh, if. If that. If there's even a small chance that's what's happening, good for him, man, and I hope it works out.
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Greg
Otherwise, we should hit up jb. We should hit up JB to see if we can, like, find. Figure out some partnership for agreeing with Envy.
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Will
With Neutropol, we'll see neutral neutrophil and741. We'll. We'll combine it in there somewhere there. All right, let me go to my next award here. So next award here at the Mids. This award is. The Pats are back in the AFC championship game, and that's the way I think it was always supposed to be. And this award goes to. Shout out to Sam Houser back in the. This is one of the guys. Great. When we were talking about the Pacers game last night, he's a guy that we easily could have talked about who was. Who was good last night. He's been really good for the last, you know, month plus or so, and it's been over the last month that he's been in the starting lineup every game except for the first game of January. And you know, right now he's shooting 48.2% from three on eight and a half attempts per game this month. Just straight up on fire. And we've talked about it before, there's. I don't know how many prettier shots there are when a player is on than Sam Houser because it feels like he doesn't touch the rim, you know.
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Greg
Drops out of the sky. Dude, I don't think there's anybody that shoots a higher arc on his shot.
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Will
Yeah, and the way the net snaps, it's just different. Like, and you can tell early on in the game, you're like, oh, Sam might have it tonight just from the way the net snaps. And part of that's. We watch this team all the time, but it's different. There's just something different about it. And so what the reason I, I associate this with obviously shot the path back in the AFC championship game, that feels familiar, right? Like, and it's something that, that is familiar. And, and with Sam Houser in the starting lineup, we talked a lot going into the season. What's the starting lineup going to be? What do we think it should happen? And for the most part, I feel like we kind of settled on, like, this is probably what makes the most sense, which was Peyton Pritchard, Derek White, Sam Houser, Jalen Brown, Nemi's kid. And we've kind of strayed in different places. And if we're just being honest, I think it feels right, like this last, like, like I think it makes the most sense. And when you actually look at the. Some of the lineup data that we have for those particular. For that particular lineup. So Sam in general is part of the two. Two of the five best lineups that. That the Celtics have, which the Celtics have some very impressive lineup data. I will be. I will be honest. But that particular lineup, that starting five, which has played the second most amount of minutes of any five that the Celtics have right now, it's a 127.9 offensive rating, a 108.8 defensive rating, good for a 19.2 net rating. Like, that's just a really good lineup. It makes a lot of sense. And you know, Joe has been very vocal about this. Like, I shouted out his three point shot, which is what everyone's gonna go to first. But he's been holding up on defense. Like, he's been playing very well on defense. He's I think he's a bit of an underrated rebounder. I've always thought that he. Especially the way the Celtics crash the boards kind of, you know, diagonally from on the offensive glass. He gets a lot of tips out, tip outs that way that don't always go as a credit to him. So, you know, Sam Houser's like, I just think that, you know, we sometimes take for granted, but when it settles in and you get like a Sam game, you're like, this is right. This is why we actually really love Sam and need Sam. And so it's only right. Pat's back in the AFC championship, Sam Houser on the heater in the starting lineup, the way it should have probably always been the season.
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Greg
Yeah. And, you know, we talked a lot about, should Ugo be in there, should Jordan Walsh be in there? We saw Josh Minot in there earlier in the season, and none of those guys provide the offensive punch and the spacing that Sam Houser provides. And when you think about the defense that Sam has been providing and his ability to rebound because he's a legit six, eight, six, eight and a half. Right. He's a big guy. He's just holding up really well on defense. Like, there's not too many guys that can just get by Sam. He has a really strong retreat step, and he plays angles really well. And he's always funneling people to help. Right. He's always in the right position. Kind of like the Daniel Tice of the wings, so to speak. Right. And he's.
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Will
He's just. I believe it's tees, dude.
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Greg
When Mark said that on the bottom, I was like, I literally have never heard anybody say that. Like, do you ever listen to a broadcast? I was dying laughing. Daniel T.S. i'll go. Daniel T.S.
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Will
One more thing on Sam is. Is I think the difference between, you know, it and obviously, we've sat here, and I don't want to act like we're speaking out of both sides of our mouth, even though we kind of are, like, of how great Jordan Walsh in the start, how great it's been with. How great it was with Josh Minot. I think the biggest thing throughout this first half of the season that I've seen when looking at all these different lineups, especially as a starting unit, like, you kind of want to get yourself off to a certain base. You can close with whoever's playing well. Like, you can. You don't have to close with whoever starts. But I think the consistency of Sam and not just the jump shot, but the threat of his jump shot, like, there's not a single night any team would go into a game plan I don't like. Right now he's shooting unbelievably. He could come into the game shooting 30. He could come into the game shooting like Derrick White has been in January. And teams are still going to go, no, that's Sam Houser. He's like a 42% shooter for his career. Like, we're still going to have to respect him. And that's something that consistently, at least from an offensive perspective, all of those guys, you're going to set yourself up where at the beginning of the game they're going to go, all right, we're challenging. We're challenging Jordan Walsh. We're challenging Ugo. And maybe some nights they step up and they hit it. That's great. But with Sam Houser out there, it's just no matter if he makes the first two, misses the first three, he's just got something that right now those guys don't have on the offensive end that they can 100% claim to that a team is going to have to game plan for. And I think that sets the team up for the rest of the game here by having that solid base in your starting lineup. And then as the game goes and the ebbs and flows and you want to make these different decisions, that's fine. But I think that's something that's really different about Sam versus the other guys that have been in that spot this season.
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Greg
I love it. Well said. Sam's playing great basketball. Okay, you ready for my next award?
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Will
Let's do it.
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Greg
All right, so this one is NBA related. It has nothing to do with the Celtics. So I'm calling this one the Will Byers I picked the Wrong Time to finally Speak my Truth award. Okay, so I'm. I'm getting. I'm pushing some boundaries here.
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Will
You're going to the edge here, man.
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Greg
Yeah, go to the. Going to the edge. So in Stranger Things, right, one of the big storylines is Will Byers is struggling with his sexual identity. So in this final season, he desperately wants to tell his best friend Mike that he's gay. But he can't muster up the courage and he gets taken by Vecna. Vecna basically tortures him, making him real.
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Will
Quick spoiler alert, just in case. Stranger Things just in case. Sorry. If you have. That's why we're saying the spoiler alert, then you can go ahead and say it. It's all good.
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Greg
So he gets taken by Vecna again. Right. So in season one, that's the whole thing is Will Byers gets taken by Vecna. So he tort him, making him face the reality that he is in fact gay and shows him a world in which, like, his loved ones find out that he's gay and then as a result of that, they abandon him. So in order to deprive Vecna of this power, with mere minutes before he and his friends go to try and save the world, he decides this. This might be a good time to not only bring Mike into the room, but to bring the entire party into the who's going to save the world into the room and share his true identity with them. Self actualization is good, Will. Okay. Self actualization during the apocalypse, just bad clock management. Enter two characters. Okay, the award goes to. Jonathan kaminga as will byers and steve kerr is vecna. Okay, so this one goes to.
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Will
That. That was a long way to get to Jonathan Kaminga and Steve Kerr. So I want to hear.
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Greg
I got more. I got more. Okay, so this one goes to Kaminga for finally demanding his trade from the warriors right before Jimmy Butler goes down with an ACL tear. Okay. And not to, you know, Vector style, snap another limb, but I don't know if you saw this, Will, the other night. The warriors go down 41 to 28 after the first quarter to the Raptors. First person in. In the second quarter, Jonathan Kaminga ends up dropping 20 points off the bench. Okay? Steve Kerr had not played him since December 18th. He doesn't play in over a month. Comes in the game, immediately drops 20. So this whole situation has been an absolute mess. There's blame on both sides, but I just still don't understand how you can banish someone from. From your team when your talent is middling at best. Right. They're. They've been struggling. They were playing better basketball with Jimmy Butler of late before he tore his acl. But now it's like the deadline's here and I guess we got to play Jonathan Kaminga furthering for it.
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Will
Real quick question for you. Have you been on Twitter at all before this podcast?
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Greg
I have. I don't have Twitter anymore.
- [31:34]
Will
Okay, well then apparently not. Well, as of 50 minutes ago, guess who left the game after hurting their ankle?
- [31:41]
Greg
Jonathan Kaminga.
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Will
Jonathan.
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Greg
Hilarious. That's so funny. Maybe Vector got him. So, furthering the analogues between Jonathan Kaminga and Will Byers, because I gave some more thought to this. Will. So Noah Schnapp was who, by the way, person in the Comments said that I look like Noah Schnapp. Like, get the hell out of here, dude. I look nothing like that.
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Will
Okay, that, how much did that mess up your week? Because it made my weekend. That was great. I was having a great time with it. How did it do it for you?
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Greg
I mean, I literally spent like five minutes looking in the mirror. Like, was it, is it my eyes? Is it like my, I don't know, is it my brow? Like, what is my chin? Like? He's got like a similar bone structure here, I guess. But anyways, as a child actor, he was pretty great. He, like, I think it's probably him and Dustin, right? Season one as the best actors. But as his career has progressed, there have been some scenes where you'd see the talent, but typically only in situations where he'd have to, like, react and act and not have to deliver lines. Just like Jonathan Kaminga, you put him in the game, he doesn't have to rehearse anything. He just goes out there and he plays. A lot of parallels there. And you think about like Noah Schnapp after he kills it with the scene, like when he realizes that he has the power of Vecna, right? And it cuts away at the end of the, the first half of the fifth season. And then when we go back, spoiler alert, right? He delivers a monologue for the first, like 30 seconds of the episode and it's just so bad. And I'm like, is this bad acting or is this bad directing? Is this bad coaching? Like Steve Kerr? You know what I mean? Like, were they the ones that were actually not allowing him to succeed within the environment? And maybe Kamingo will recover before the trade deadline, but as we, as we just heard, his ankle snapped on him. And is he going to be able to, is he going to be able to save this black hole of a Warrior season? Either Kaminga and the warriors close the rift, right? Or they are banished forever into the upside down of 500 basketball.
- [33:52]
Will
I'll give you something, I'm gonna give you your own little, little applause button here. That was, that was pretty impressive to, to come all the way around on that. I, I, I connecting all of that.
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Greg
That took a lot of work doing it.
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Will
So let me ask you this. What, what sparked it? Because, like, we wanted to do these mid season awards and I had mentioned, I have a Stranger things one that I was gonna say for last one. I'm just gonna do it next while we're talking about it here. But how did you even start to connect those dots?
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Greg
Well, in general, I thought that was like the worst scene of the, of the season in Stranger.
- [34:26]
Will
Oh, do I have an one that I think ups that.
- [34:29]
Greg
But okay, so Danielle and I, as it was happening, we're literally looking at the screen like, dude, the world is ending. This is the moment that you choose to come up.
- [34:38]
Will
That's number two. It's, it's. It's so bad. And it goes on for so long.
- [34:43]
Greg
They could have done that scene so much.
- [34:47]
Will
SNL parried it, parodied that part. They had. What's the, what's the other. What's the other kid's name? Who's the guy? The one that Will's in love with Mike. He was hosting snl and so I saw a clip where, where they were doing like, yeah, it's like Stranger Things spin offs because we like the success. And one of. One of the spin offs was like, Will still giving his speech. And so it was just him. Like, I wanted to tell you guys that I'm game for anything that we need to do to stop Vecna. No matter how much I'm a homeward bound towards finding a solution, it just kept, like, going on and on. Like.
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Greg
That's amazing.
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Will
Yeah, it was really, really good. But that, yeah, first of all, I'll just say this about that particular character. I think he's so annoying. But to your point, it feels like you're on the edge of like, almost gay bashing if you say that at this point. And I'm like, I'm sorry, he's one of the most annoying TV characters I've ever watched. Little kid or not.
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Greg
Yeah, he's just like a bad actor. Right. And Danielle, I guess she doesn't like him. And for some of his, like, real life personal takes that he has or opinions that he has, so she's just like, out on him. I don't really know what she's talking about. She's always like, oh, I just don't like this guy.
- [36:07]
Will
So why'd you marry him?
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Greg
I know. Then if I look so much like him. We're not married. We're engaged.
- [36:14]
Will
This is why you guys aren't married? Yeah.
- [36:16]
Greg
Yes. Yes. Okay, let me hear. Ranger Things Award.
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Will
I like it. I like it. Okay, I will go to my Stranger Things award. So my award, that's tied to Stranger Things here. Stranger Things. How many endings do we need before this thing is over? This goes to Giannis Antetokounmpo and the Milwaukee.
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Greg
Nice.
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Will
So with stranger things, man. How many and how much did they pull out of this thing? Like, Jesus Christ. First, it's back. Like, it could have ended at season four. It was actually a kind of fine ending. Like, right around there before they had the last, like, like two, three minutes. It's like, oh, that could have just been the ending right there. I get it. They want to keep going, that this last season had, like, seven different points of where they could have ended. All of a sudden, they're in a wormhole. Then they have a new, like. Like a new villain. Villain above Vecna. Vector's not pulling the strings. Vecna's a victim. There's this new world. There's a world inside the world. Like, Jesus Christ. Like, it just like, yeah, yeah. I really enjoy strange things, but it was. It was just too much. So for me, I don't think we're quite there yet, but we're getting there with this whole Giannis and Bucks thing. Like, okay, you guys, you know, you traded Drew Holiday for Dame. Cool. That makes a lot of sense. We're still. We're still progressing here. Then we get to trading Chris Milton for Kyle Kuzma. All right, I think we're getting close to pulling the plug in this. Excuse me. We get to the off season. Now Giannis is requesting a trade. He's not. Okay, now we're running it back. We're gonna talk ourselves into, you know, cutting Dame and signing Miles Turner. Horrible move. Now we're at the place where two, three times already the season Are we doing it? Are we not doing it? Giannis is making, you know, very passive aggressive comments that he's trying to play off is. I'm the good guy here. Don't talk to me. I have no control. So you have every control over about what happens in this. You're booing the fans and like, it's honestly at the point where, can we just end this thing, guys? Like, I get it. You guys had a good run. You won championship. Stranger things. You guys had great seasons. We didn't need to pull this out nearly as long as it went. We could have been a little bit more crisp with it. Giannis and the Bucks, you guys are kind of at that point. But honestly, I thought about earlier today, the Bucks are probably better off taking this to the off season because I don't know what they're going to get right now. And I've fallen in love with the idea of the Zach Low trade of Paolo for Giannis. I think that just makes a lot of sense. Like, I think that's a. And that can't happen till the off season. But I don't know.
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Greg
I.
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Will
This was a really interesting point for me. Giannis, where he might go in the off season. I'm really tired of it already. And so I just kind of wanted to end.
- [39:59]
Greg
To further this analogy. Who is Dip Derek on the Bucks?
- [40:04]
Will
Derek. What a. What a classic character. He was great. It's got to be Kuzma, right?
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Greg
Yeah. I was hoping that you could go there.
- [40:11]
Will
It's got to be. I think it's. The only person that it could be is. Is Kuzma. But one last thing on. On Stranger Things before we to your next award here. So you mentioned the. The will coming out scene as the worst scene. Yeah. I raise you this. So after they. They solve everything, I don't know why. The last 30 minutes of their high school graduation, playing Dungeons and Dragons, like, Jesus Christ. It was like 30 minutes of just like, my God. Like, we don't need to. Like, you could have wrapped this up in five minutes. Here's what they all did. Here's a montage. The absolute worst part of that is the four older teenagers who are then in college when they're sitting on the rooftop and they're talking about their lives and what they're doing and how uninteresting all of it is. It's one of those moments where. Have you ever just watched something and just like, in the moment, you're like, this doesn't feel like it's a part of anything? Else that's happening. No one gives a that. You know, one of them's a writer, one of them's a film filmographer. And Steve's coaching baseball. Could have done this in a quick montage. Let's just show them real quick.
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Greg
First of all, Steve played basketball. Steve didn't play base.
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Will
Yeah. It doesn't make any sense, and it feels like it's just completely forced in. Like, I like to your point about Will being a bad actor, I was like, these people clearly don't want to be here. There is no chemistry anymore. They definitely shot this, like, 10 months after they wrapped. Like, yo, everybody come back. Get into costume. And nobody was having a good time. It was one of those moments watching TV when I was just like, viscerally getting upset watching this. Like, yeah, who the thought this was a good idea? That scene has stuck with me and just pissed me. I've been wanting to talk about it for a while because it's just been sticking with me.
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- [41:49]
Will
And, you know, Peter Griffin really grinds my gears.
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Greg
You know what it actually reminds me of? So on Peacock, right now, they have the extended versions of the Harry Potter movies, which I had never seen before and Danielle had never seen. So they're. Yeah, I didn't know either. And there's like all these little scenes that really, actually do a really good job of being more true to the book book in revealing a little bit more about the character. So I would start with the first one, Sorcerer's Stone, and just see if it. If it scratches any Harry Potter itches that you have left unscratched. But with Stranger Things, I feel like they could have cut so much of the season and condensed it or same run time and just like, give us more stuff in there versus the whole season just being like one long action movie. Okay, so my last award. Let's see. I got a. Okay, I'm calling this one the delete your browsing history now award.
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Will
Okay.
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Greg
And I'm gonna give this award to. Everybody who watched the national championship game. 81 star Abella Danger. Okay. I don't know if you caught this, Will, but I tried. You didn't catch it?
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Will
No, I did not. I. I vaguely heard this. So loop me in. I, like, I know she was for some reason connected to the national championship, but I don't know why. So tell me what happened.
- [43:20]
Greg
Okay. So I tried to think of another Celtics award, but all I could think of was an award for the. The NCAA championship where ESPN decided to pan to the crowd and they, you know, I don't know if it was intentional or not. You have to assume it was because she's. She's notable. But a Bella Danger, I don't know her real name, but she's a famous adult film star. She was shown at the game because she went to University of Miami and she's like a big Miami sports fan. She goes to Heat games. They show her he games all the time, too. Now, just for everyone at home, Will and I live in Texas. Okay. And I don't know if you know, but porn is banned here in Texas as, like, you know, I think it's probably healthy that porn isn't readily available everywhere in the world. I just think it's unhealthy for. For the brain, especially for. For kids, right? Like, you can't access it in Texas unless you want your identity stolen or unless you have a vpn, which I don't have. So I was listening to the Ariel Helwani show. You know that I like my ufc. So in preparation for UFC coming back this weekend, first event on Paramount. Plus this weekend, he claimed that he didn't know who Abella Danger was, right? And he asked his co hosts. They were like, should I know? He's like, should I know who this woman is? And they're like, dude, come on. Like, you know who. A Bella Danger. He's like, I really don't. I don't know who it is. I don't know who it is. Like, I'm a married man with kids. I don't know who it is. And I was just thinking, like, maybe he was telling the truth. Because I remember when we were kids and I was out with the Eastie Crew, shout out to the Eastie Crew, and we were out in the wild and they saw a porn star that they all knew and I didn't know who she was. And it's not like I was unfamiliar with the game. Like, I was a teenage kid with Internet connection, right? And I think it was this woman. Her name was like, Sarah J or something like that. And I remember them like, losing their. And like, be like, oh, my God, that's Sarah J. So what I'm wondering is, because of ESPN showing a Bella Danger there, because I think she's retired. I don't know. I don't really know anymore, but I think she's retired.
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Will
Are you ever really retired from the game, Greg?
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Greg
I don't know. It's a great question. Well, it's a great question. I'm sure she has her own only fans or whatever, but what I'm wondering is how many people either researched for a Bella Danger or looked her up for the first time because they didn't know who she was. So I'm giving this award to all men and women out there. If you looked up a Bella Danger.
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Will
So question after this championship game, when they showed her during the broadcast, you know how sometimes they're like, oh, Leonardo DiCaprio's here. Timmy Chalamet is down here. Like, especially at Knicks game, they always go around be like, let's check Celebrity Road. Tracy Morgan, Timmy Chalamet. They didn't do that and put her.
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Greg
No, no. They just can't. The crowd, like, it just looked like another student in the crowd, right?
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Will
But then everyone on online was like, whoa. They showed, like.
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Greg
They just showed about danger. Like, it was. It was. Was pretty crazy. But I was just, like, dying, laughing at, like, how many people probably immediately went and, like, looked up who she was. Because on the Ariel Hawani show, there he was like, can I, like, google her right now? And they're like, no, no, no. Like, not on the work computer, dude. Do not. Do not Google her right now. But this is pretty funny.
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Will
I will say. I don't ever love the guy that's like, come on, dude, you don't know. Like, like, now this is. She's a pretty famous porn star. And like, I mean, even just the name, like, like, I like, it just.
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Greg
Sounds like a porn.
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Will
Here's the thing. I'll be honest. I'm sure I've watched the Bella Danger before. I could not remember that. Like, I couldn't swear on a bible that I have, but I'm sure I have because I know the name. And so, you know, like. But I do hate the guy. It's always like, oh, come on, dude. You know you're gonna, like, lie around me. I'm like, all right, calm down, tough guy. Like, the guy that, like, knows that is, like, following a bunch of porn stars. It's like, all right, sorry. I'm sorry. I'm not at your level, dude. Yeah, like, there's a few that may have escaped my, you know, my general knowledge base. So I can't. That was just. That's just one thing that jumped out of me. I just. I can't. Can't stand those guys. But.
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Greg
Well, I remember that was like the first moment because I. I thought, you know, when I was a kid, I remember there was, like, a couple of, like, favorites that I had, right? And when all the Easty crew was like, you don't know who Sarah J Is. I was like, I don't. Don't know who she is. Never, never heard of her. And they're like, oh, my God, dude. But anyways, that's my award.
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Will
I like it. Great viral moment. Hopefully nobody got in trouble out there for. For looking that one up. All right, let me go to my last award, and it's actually IU adjacent as well. So this is gonna. Gonna work out tie in pretty nicely here. So after Indiana won the national title, which, by the way, it's still crazy, we're living in the world that Indiana Hoosiers are winning. Nash wild.
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Greg
Shout out to the Hoosiers.
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Will
Shout out to the Hoosiers. Who. Who's your. Shout out to them? But I saw, and I don't know if it was necessarily true, but it's what inspired this award. I saw that Mark Cuban, who's an IU grad, told Fernando Mendoza, or at least put it out like on social media, put it somewhere that like, hey, let's run this back and I'll pay you what you're gonna miss by going to. Because he's likely going to be the number in the NFL draft. And I think I said maybe he was saying it in jest, I don't know. But this award here is the IU Fernando Mendoza. I don't know from who, but this guy is getting a bag award and this. Big man Nemius about neus k a decent amount this year. So it's not, you know, surprising that I'm going in this direction. The man's gonna get paid. And Greg, I just, I've been thinking about this a lot recently as we coming up on the trade deadline here, about how Anthony Simon, specifically, who's like the biggest potential trade piece. And it's like, I don't like, he's been so good that even me, who's been very reluctant to, you know, kind of give into the Anthony Simons experience, but I'm getting. I'm getting pretty on board right now. And it's like I would still probably move him, but it's got to be one of those things where it's one of those trades where it's almost like a pre free agent signing trade where it's like we're using a guy that's expiring to get someone that might be here for two or three years that we can't sign. But this is our way, bringing someone new, not just for this year, but for multiple years. And so, you know, we've talked about some of the characters that. That we've looked around, and one of them was, was Daniel Gafford. And I was like, I like Daniel Gafford. So I was like, you know, there's a Mavs game on the other night. I watched it for a little bit. Yeah, he's pretty solid. Looking at his contract, and he's making, like, 17, 18 the next two years. Like, that's not bad. He's a pretty solid center. Then I thought to myself, like, is he even better than Nemi Esqueda? And, like, I really couldn't answer the question. Like, it was, like, it was really tough. And. And so I want to do a quick experiment with you here, Greg. What I'm going to do is I'm going to read you every center in the league that's making just under $8 million up to $20 million. Okay. And just as I'm going through the names, start either writing them down or just counting on your hands, like, how many guys you actually think definitively are better than Neemias Kada right now. Okay, you ready?
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Greg
I'm ready.
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Will
All right, so just. Just FYI, there's a couple here that are, like, I have it sorted by average annual value. There's a few poison pills, so a few guys come up twice. I'll try not to repeat, but it may happen. Okay, let's. I'm just, I'm go somewhat slowly, so you can kind of keep up here. Let's start at the very bottom. We'll go from 7.7 million up to 20 million. Donovan Clingan, Jalen Williams, Okc. Kavon Looney, DeAndre, Ayton, Goga Bataze, Brook Lopez, Jonas Valanchunas, Luke Cornett, Avika Zubac, Chet Holmgren, Rob Williams, Wendell Carter Jr. Stephen Adams, Daniel Gafford, Wemby Given, Mitchell Robinson, Isaiah Stewart, Anyeka Okongwu, Dak Collins, Yusuf Nurkic, Santi Aldama, Jakob Pearl, Jared Allen, Nikola Vucevich. How many guys do you have are definitively better than Nimi esqueda?
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Greg
I'd say 11 or 12.
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Will
Okay. You were way higher than I was. All right. So, yeah, this didn't work out the way that I was intending. I, I, There's. I mean, when you factor in age and where they're at right now, I think there was a couple guys that, like, there's. I think there was five that I was definitive are bad.
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Greg
Who are your five definitives?
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Will
So out of those guys, like, obviously, you have Wemby, you have Jared Allen, I would say is better. Zubach is better. Isaiah Stewart I think is better. And then I think every. Chad Holmgren. Those are, those are the five that I'm like definitively. And I'll put Luke in there. Just, I'll put that. Actually let's leave Luke to the side. First second. Because I think Luke falls into the second category of guys where yeah, you could probably. I think we can. You would probably have to say these guys are better because Nemus hasn't done it for long enough. But I'm not positive that they're actually better. And that's where I get to the other guys where it's like Luke cornett, Wendell Carter Jr. Stephen Adams is a very different player. Like he's just so specific that it's like. I think it's hard to judge one to one Daniel Gafford which is what made me think of this where I think it's actually a lot closer to who the other guys that like, like Donovan clinging probably gonna go Donovan clinging. But that's again I think you, you could theoretically Mitchell Robinson definitively better.
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Greg
The definitively better thing. I probably didn't a hundred percent go definitive as I was doing it. I just think like who would I pick right now is kind of going like gut reaction. Who would I pick when I, I had like 11 or 12 clinging was one of them. Mitchell Robinson was one of them. Purdo was one of them. I didn't pick Rob, I didn't pick.
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Will
Well, let me ask you this real quick. Especially on like Mitchell Robinson because he's, he's an expiring contract. So let's just use this as a hypothetical. So there's one year left on Nemi Skada's deal. And I think right now this, this should be one of the top priorities in the off season for the Celtics is trying to get Keda on an early Peyton Pritchard, Sam Houser type deal.
- [53:25]
Greg
Yeah.
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Will
And I think he fits somewhere in this window of this eight to to $20 million. Which is why I kind of. It certainly is not going to be up at the top of 20. But I think getting to that eight to 12 range is.
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Greg
Yeah. I mean Ayton got what, eight or nine from the Lakers?
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Will
Yeah, he was somewhere in there. I can't, I forget.
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Greg
I think he'll. He'll make with DeAndre and makes right.
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Will
So. So my point is like Mitchell Robinson and this is where I put potentially Cata over Robinson is like if you have to give one of them an extension next year, where you're going to get them for See, what's Mitchell Robinson at right now? He's at 2 years 15. So even if we drop him down to 3 years 13, you can give that to either 13 per him or Keda, like knowing the injury history that comes with Mitchell Robinson. Are you, are you going to choose Mitchell? Would you choose Mitchell Robinson over Neemius Kada?
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Greg
I think Mitchell Robinson is better, but because of the injury history, I would, I would go Keda.
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Will
Right. And that's kind. And that's part of my. You're in this as well too. Is like, I think right now he doesn't have an injury history, so. And he's on the younger side. He's, you know, Mr. Robin's not old, but he's younger than some of these guys that we're talking about here. Like the Nurkic is the Adams, the, you know, a few other guys that were on that list. Valentunas, like, maybe you want to make an argument that they're better right now. But like, if you're looking for like who you're gonna take next year and beyond, like, it's probably Nemi Esqueda. And I think he's gonna find himself in this category. So I think he's, he's getting a version of a bag. I think the interesting part is going to be with one more year that he'll definitively be here with the Celtics on a minimum deal is do him and his representation go, let's play this out, or do you maybe they try to get like a two year, 18 million, million dollar deal or something, which I think for the Celtics too, because then you get three years at like 22 million of Nemi Escada. And what you're seeing right now, you will absolutely take that. He was phenomenal in the Pacers game last night. Now obviously have a ton of big men, but I think we've seen in most lineups this year. In fact, I mentioned this with Sam Houser, he's in two of the top five lineups. Nemi Escade is in every single one of them. Right. Like Nemius K is, is a huge difference maker. And the defensive rating when Kate is on the court versus off the court, it's just miles apart. Right. Like the defense that the Celtics have with Keda is in the top five. The Seal defense they have without him, they're atrocious no matter who it is.
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Greg
Yep.
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Will
And so that's the whole reason for the big man conversation. But I, I think with Keda, like, I, I just think he's getting some type of bag and I really hope the Celtics find a way to get him on one of those really smart year too early type of deals that maybe give a little bit of security to both sides heads.
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Greg
Yeah, I think that's the way to go for sure. If you can lock in Keda until like Jalen's contract is up or Derek White's contract is up so that you're like, hey, when though? When we have a little bit more money to play with, like if you earn it, we will pay you a bigger contract than this. But we think this is, this provides you with security. It's good for the team. You know, we developed you, we believed in you believe in us now that we're going to take care of you in the future.
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Will
And you got to think he's going to want to sign some or he would be down to sign some form of extension this year because no one expected or I would say no one expected. But he's exceeding expectations this season, next season. Who knows what that brings. And we mentioned before, he's got no injury history. One injury next year and all of a sudden that free agent market that you were waiting for to go get something, maybe it's not there because you just got injured at the wrong time. So you go ahead and secure maybe a slightly lower market value deal than what if you. If ideally you stay healthy and get all other things that break right. Like maybe that's what works out and the Celtics can get three years, 27 or something. I don't know what it would be exactly, but I do think there's a middle ground and I would love for the Celtics to get that done. I think that should be a top priority for this off season.
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Greg
Totally agreed. Great job on the midis, man.
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Will
Hey man, that's. That's the first ever Mides award presented by Green with Envy. And we did it our style. So hopefully you guys enjoyed. Hopefully you followed. I don't know if you did or not.
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Greg
Listen to this one with your family. We had a couple people reach out talking about like long time listeners. Like hey, I listened to this one in my headphones previous pod. I'm glad I did it because you guys talked about this.
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Will
Wait, did you. I. I had no one reach out to me. Someone reached out to you?
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Greg
Oh yeah, I. I thought. I. Do you ever go on our Instagram account?
- [57:38]
Will
I do, but yeah, I didn't. Oh, I did see somebody. I saw one person say that. I forget who it was. Yeah, I can't remember.
- [57:45]
Greg
Maybe. Maybe it was Arthur Guinness. I can't remember.
- [57:47]
Will
Yeah, I think it was our guy, Arthur. Yeah, yeah, sorry about that, Arthur. But hey, hey, you know, listen, it happens sometimes. Kids, kids gotta learn. This is how I think about this with my daughter sometimes too. Because I'm like right now I can kind of listen to whatever. She's not really picking up anything, but I know at some point I gotta be like, all right, I can't listen to this anymore. Can't listen to. They gotta. Gotta find the edited version of this or whatever it might be. So I'm thinking about these things and I'm like trying to like already like look ahead to myself like, all right, let's just say I accidentally leave that on. How am I gonna explain that? Gotta. Gotta figure it out. Gotta think on your feet, man. Gotta think on your feet. So this is the PSA for all you parents out there. Be ready to think on your feet if you listen to this.
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Greg
You know, sometimes ESPN pans to a porn star in the crowd and you and your son, you know, 15 years from now look at each other and you have to both pretend like you don't know who it is.
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Will
And mom's really confused. You know, that just happens. That, that could happen. So this is, this is life preparations. You're welcome from Green with Envy from the MIDI Awards. That's gonna do it for this episode here of Green with Envy. Celtics coming up this week have back to back here against Brooklyn and Chicago. We'll have something for you guys probably Sunday, maybe Monday. We'll see if.
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Greg
We don't know if we're gonna have power this weekend. Bro, this is a huge.
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Will
Yeah, that's fair. Actually, you know what, I meant to mention that as part of my Game of Thrones, winter is coming. Obviously winter's coming everywhere across the country right now. Those of you that are listening in the New England here, you're gonna get hit massively. I'm supposed to fly to Boston on Monday. I don't know if that's gonna happen. So stay tuned. In here in Austin, we might get another freeze for the third time in four years or, you know, whatever it is. So we'll hopefully have something Sunday or Monday, but weather dependent that may alter. So stay tuned. And the best way to stay tuned is by following us across all of our socials. So make sure you're hitting us up on tick tock, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram. We got all the clips from our guy Alex. Shout out to Alex. So if you miss something, we'll make sure that you guys find it on there. Appreciate you guys joining us. This has been a presentation from Green with envy. You guys enjoy the rest of the week. And let's go, Patriots. Super bowl, here we come.
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Greg
This has never been more apparent. Ice Peace.
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Will
Until I hit the four. Every time I get this high it's you I find it don't take much.
- [60:16]
Greg
No more.
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Will
Until I'm at your door.
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