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Will
To Green with Envy with Will and Greg. All right everybody, we are officially back. The Celtics season has begun, so unfortunately a 117, 116 loss to the Philadelphia 76ers. We're live here on YouTube. Here on Twitter, we're going to recap it all with our instant reactions. Maybe, maybe, just maybe, a couple overreactions. We got it all in the mix. You guys know the deal. This is Green with Envy.
Greg Manakis
Let's lock in.
Will
What up, what up, what up? Welcome into another season of Green with Envy. As always, this is your boy, Will. We are checking in. How you doing? How you living? Welcome to Opening Night 2025, 2026. Unfortunately for the Celtics, they come up a little bit short against the Philadelphia 76ers tonight, Philadelphia takes home the W117 to 116. Joining me to recap today tonight's events, as always, it's my best friend, co host and the coach of our podcast, the one and only Greg Manakis. Greg, feels good to have basketball back. The result not quite as good but it, you know, we, we'll talk about it.
Greg Manakis
Yeah, it's more or less what I was expecting this season to, to kind of look like it's going to be a fun season. There's going to be a lot of highs, there's going to be some lows and I feel like the Celtics are going to put themselves in positions to be, be there at the end of a lot of games, especially in the eastern conferen. Know they had every opportunity tonight to win the game and they just didn't come up with it.
Will
Yeah, it's gonna be a season like you said. I, I think there's going to be a lot of games that are probably somewhat reminiscent. Like I felt like tonight there was some foreshadowing and of course we're gonna be doing some predicting with that, but I feel like tonight there was certainly some foreshadowing that we can attempt to draw some conclusions to that maybe will be how the season plays out. But 17 again, 117, 116 was the final. We're live on YouTube right now, live on Twitter. So if you do start to TR the chat, get your thoughts, get your questions out. Like we're all, we're all going through this is a brand new season. This is a very different team. It's a very different situation. So let's all be in this together, right? Let's, let's be in this moment together. That's because that's what we're going to need to do to get through this. And Greg, I texted you and a few friends before the game. I'm oddly excited for a 500 basketball team. But then I quickly said I reserved the right to, to change my mind. I, I, I remain excited, I remain excited at this team and seeing it grow. It's been a little while since we've had a team that I feel like we can look to and, and really be able to trace their growth from the beginning in the season through the end. So it's a different expectation, but I think if you watch it through that lens, you're going to find ways to find the season enjoyable and honestly prevent yourself from, from going insane.
Greg Manakis
Yeah, I mean it was fun. It was fun. Like, I know Abby Chin had the conversation with Peyton Pritchard before the game, and he. He mentioned is like, he's competing for a championship. In his mind, if it's not this year. Like, everything that they're doing this year is building towards the next championship opportunity. Right? And for me as a fan, just rooting for all these guys to. To show that growth, knowing that as right now, if. If you're realistic, this isn't a championship team, but it's a fun team, and there's a lot of guys that I. I'm going to enjoy rooting for this year. And I want to start just kind of going. Going through some of the guys. You know, I. I want to start with Katan. I want to start with Kada tonight because the front court is the issue with this team more than anything else. The front court. Beyond Kada, who has, you know, he started six games for the Celtics last year. He's definitely shown promise as a big. You know, there's the debate early last season. Kata or Cornet? Cornet won out. But there are plenty of times where people wanted Kada to get more minutes, and he had a real impact on this game. Man, 25 minutes. Ends up following out, which probably will happen more than share times with Keda, but seven or eight from the field, he goes eight rebounds, 17 total points, two offensive rebounds. And just overall, I thought offensively, you know, he was a real problem setting screens and rolling hard to the basket. And it's. It's nice to have that vertical spacer rolling hard to the rim. Defensively, it was a little bit, you know, it's tough. He's going up against Edge, Comb and.
Will
Maxi, who were just like, better throughout the night. I think he. At least. I think he. At least you felt his presence. Like, the fourth quarter was the best quarter we've. We've seen, including the preseason of, you know, of Keda thus far. Right. Like, he was really good in that fourth quarter despite fouling out and really the second foul. Whatever. We'll talk about Maxi and Edgecomb, like, they were just a matchup nightmare all night for the Celtics. Bigs really for everyone, but specifically the big. They were putting a lot of pressure on. But I. I thought with Keda, you know, Joe was at least in the first quarter, was still doing pointer. Joe, right where you give up an offensive rebound, he was yanking you. And, you know, there was part of me where Kada gave up an early offensive rebound. Joe went to yank him, and he actually played pretty well for, like, the two minutes while he was Waiting for, I think it was Tillman to, to come check in. Had a couple of buckets, had a couple of nice rebounds. And it was in my head, I was like, all right, like, Joe, cool. Let's, I, I get what you're doing here. Let's, let's chill with this gimmick at some point here. And, you know, Joe eventually kind of got into a more normal, normal rhythm, but it wasn't the most. It wasn't the greatest start for Kada. Right. And, you know, you saw Joe again, got on him about his defense, I think late in the first quarter or in the early part of the second quarter. And it wasn't until like the middle of the second quarter he came back. So I think, again, growth is going to be, I think, a word you hear us use in this podcast a lot this season. I thought K within this game alone showed a tremendous amount of growth. And him in that fourth quarter, man, the way that he was rolling, using his vers, his verticality, just being aggressive and like I said, defensively, I think he at least made you feel his presence at the rim. Because I really liked when Joe decided to go in that fourth quarter. My best four and the best big, right? Like, that's, that's going to be a lineup that we're probably going to see. And it may be K to sometimes it may be Tillman another night, you know, maybe it's Boucher, I don't know, whatever that big, rotating big might be. But I like that he felt confident enough or maybe it was just out of necessity to have to be able to go to that really small lineup where you have the three guards and Simons, Pritchard and White, and then you have Jalen and K as your only, you know, Jalen I'm using as a big man in this scenario. And I thought that lineup did pretty well. It helped that Embiid was just the big decoy tonight, so you didn't have to really worry about him too much, right?
Greg Manakis
And then that's where, like, let me jump in here on the Sixers here. Like, they're not playing in a big man in that moment, right? So they were going U, Barlow, Edgecomb, Maxi and Grimes. That was their five for like the, the end of the, the fourth quarter. So it's easy for the Celtics small when that's the lineup you're going up against with no true big men on the court. Like, Barlow is, is athletic, but, you know, he's, he's. He's a forward, so it's easy to go with that three guard lineup and K's presence on the court there. Because he was by far the biggest guy on the court and he's spaced with four shooters around them. That's why able to make the impact that he was able to make. Because if you go with someone who's not a shooter that gums things up. Maybe you have somebody in the dunker spot and it just makes those roles to the rim a little bit more diffic. Difficult and less wide open because they were really wide open. So there's an argument. We got a comment from Rob version one. He says would have liked to see more Boucher or minute minutes over Simon's minutes in that fourth quarter. He played too much of that three guard lineup and we got killed on the boards. That was a winnable game. Hopefully a game to bounce back. Yeah. Boucher didn't have the impact that I was kind of hoping he would have in this game. Mine it. I think he played okay in the minutes that he was out there. But I. I didn't hate Missoula's decision to go with the. The three guard lineup to be honest with you. We lost the game when Kata fouled out. Right when Kate about Untilman had to come in. We just lost the. The advantage that we had was we had the big guy on the court that they couldn't deal with. Right. And they were able to attack him and get him fouled out of the game. But I. I could see the argument of getting another bigger body in there. But I actually like the. The strategy until Keda followed out. And then Tillman had a couple moments. Right. A couple big offensive rebounds. It just like came up that last put back.
Will
My God. Dude.
Greg Manakis
But he has a rebound that led to the three that allowed us to stay in the game.
Will
Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was okay. He was. He was solid in this. And this. This actually leads me to something. I was thinking about watching the game today Greg that I think anytime that we go live after a game we should have a. And we can come up with maybe a better name. But a big man of the night. We need to. We need to. To denominate a big man of the night because it's going to be a rotating cast of who played well for this. And that's why like I was saying earlier, you have your best four and it's whoever the best big is that night or what the matchup is. Might be a lineup we see like tonight. Very obviously. I think it's Nemi Esqueda. We don't need to really spend a lot of time on it. But I do think each time we go live, we need to have a discussion around the bigs and who was the best big that night. And there's going to be probably some nights where like, nobody gets the award for this game because maybe that's not the case tonight.
Greg Manakis
Well, best case scenario, best case scenario, get rid of that gimmick quickly because Keda just proves that he's the best big man. Right, right.
Will
That's. That's the ideal. That's the ideal. But you know, I think for tonight, just specifically look at the big men. Keda, very solid, especially as you look at his growth throughout the game. Tillman. Okay. Garza played five minutes, got concussed. Not. Not much really going on there. Boucher. Like you said, little, Little underwhelming. You know, I think, honestly though, when you look at this game from the, the Celtics perspective, like you look at Peyton Pritchard 1 of 7 from 3, Derrick White 4 of 13. Who. I thought I, I still think Derek White played a really great game, but that 4 of 13. So you look at 5 of 20 from the guys that are shooting the majority of your threes, two of two of six from same with a pretty bad game outside of that as well. Like, that's kind of where this game was from an offensive perspective of looking at the box score where it's lost. VJ Edge. You also just argue VJ Edge, Comb and Tyrus Maxi won this game, which we'll talk about them in a second. But I, I think that's where I kind of look at this. And it's the output of combination of, of Sam shooting in his, you know, untimely fouls and then Pritchard going 1 of 7, white 4 of 13, if that's what you're gonna be, you know, when you're shooting 43 threes, make 11 of them. Just gonna be tough to win games. Right. Like, that's, that's not a great recipe.
Greg Manakis
Yeah. Let's get to Jalen because, you know, he's the, he's the main guy on this squad. He had a great first quarter, filling up the stat sheet. I think he had three of his four assists and maybe five of his six rebounds or four of his six rebounds in that first quarter.
Will
He definitely had that by halftime. And then I think I'm, I'm positive the three assists were in the first stint that he, that he played of the game that only had one assist after that.
Greg Manakis
Yeah, it'll be Interesting when the advanced box scores come out to see how many potential assists he had, because I feel like we were bricking a lot of shots that he was creating. So I want to give him some props there. Four assists, two turnovers, ends up with 25 points and just like an overall really solid game. Out of Jalen. He, he had his first opportunity to close out a game, right? He, he, he did not come up in that moment. He missed a mid range jumper over Grimes and then he had that drive on Grimes where he tried to finish kind of around. I think it was Barlow, maybe it was Bona in the game at that time. And then that's where Tillman got the offensive rebound and then and missed the put back. But overall, I was happy with how Jalen played. I thought he was very composed, very controlled. You know, you would have liked to have seen him, to feel him a little bit more on the court. Like you felt Maxi and you felt Edgecomb. Like you want to feel Jalen to like rise that moment and being a nice player.
Will
That's the number one thing to me is Jalen, and it's a tough line like, like. But listen, He's a top 20 guy in the league, so I don't really feel that bad giving a tough criticism to a guy that's. That's a top 20 guy in the league. That's, that's why those guys are top 20, right? Is. You're right. I thought he was very composed and I liked, I like that version of Jalen. I was thinking that all night. I was like, I like that Jalen isn't out of control, because when Jalen gets out of control, it tends to snowball, right? And that's what you don't want to see. And we can't have that with this team. Like, there needs to be a certain balance, a certain level to this team to maintain their floor. And I thought Jalen did a really great job of that, but I think you nailed it with that point of Vijay Edgecomb and Tyrese Maxey. You felt them like, holy, they're coming. We can't stop them. I don't know what to do with them. And with Jalen, he. He was there. You knew he was there, but you didn't feel him. To your point. And especially late, like, when you look at this game and it really, you know, this was really a Sixers team that didn't have not just Paul George, not just Jared McCain, but didn't have, you know, Joel Embiid, for all intents and purposes, right? Like, so when you look at that, you're like, jalen, you're that dude. Right? Like, this is the time where if you're going up there and there's no real big. Like, to your point, it was Dominic Barlow. Is the big out there a two way. It's a two way player. Right. And, like, you have, you know, Tyrese Maxey out there. Like, that's something I don't think the Celtics did enough of is get. Get Tyrese Maxi on Jalen Brown.
Greg Manakis
And when he had five files, he got his fifth ball when he pushed Jalen out of bounds at the start.
Will
Of the fourth quarter. So that's something that you have to force that issue.
Greg Manakis
Right.
Will
Like, you have Jalen Brown, this big, physical guy who's skilled, talented, and you have their best player in a bind, and you didn't force it. That's an area that the Celtics have to get better at. And that's a little bit on Missoula, a little bit on Jalen, a little bit on just kind of feeling it out. But you're right. I think that's one big takeaway from Jalen Brown's night is that it was like an 85 success, but that 15 at the end of the night where he didn't put his mark on the game, didn't assert himself as the best player in this game. Maybe he's not. I think he is, but maybe he's not, because Tyrese Max is pretty damn good. And that's going to be the times where it's like, yo, there's. There's no one else to really do this. Like, Jalen, that's got to be you more nights than it isn't.
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Greg Manakis
And, you know, I think Missoula was trying to. Trying to force that match up a little bit, getting Jaylen as the screener to. To kind of roll into Maxi. You know, there's that, like, fake kickball that happened.
Will
Yeah, I was gonna say, the issue with that. Yeah, the issue with that is that when. When Anthony Simons is the ball handler, I immediately didn't feel great about this because I was like, I didn't trust the pass. I didn't trust the dribbling. And Simons was. I. I was actually. He was fine tonight. I thought he actually played. Played. I thought he. I thought he played his ass off on defense at certain stretches. And, you know, he had 13 points, 5 of 10. You're gonna need probably some more. A little bit more aggressive scoring out of Simons, I think, throughout the season, but we'll we'll get to that. He's still figuring out the bench roll, but yeah, the two man game with him and Jalen, immediately I was like, I don't know how I feel about Simons initiating this, but again, that's probably why they also had Maxi on Simons.
Greg Manakis
Right, exactly right. You want to put you the worst of the creators, you know, with Maxi on him, who's also not a physical guy. So he's not going to get Maxi in file trouble if he decides to take Maxi to the rack. But yeah, I just, I think Jalen, you know, he had that one layup where he, he bodied through Grimes, right? He had it on the right elbow and like double spin Shangoon style for the layup. And then the next possession is when he missed that elbow jumper and then he, you know, missed the, the drive towards the end of the game. So he had his opportunities. It's like it's a make or miss league at the end of the day, right? It's, it's not like he didn't, it's not like he shied away from the ball like Kevin Durant did. And at the end of the game with the Thunder where KD just was like, I got Lou Dort on me. Like, please, just somebody else don't do anything. Like, Jalen didn't have Lou Dort on him. Jalen, yeah, had Quentin Grimes on him. Like, you got to step up and, and win that game for your team in that moment. But this is, you know, this is the territory, like you said, of him being the superstar of the team this year. Now he gets the criticism that we would typically give to Tatum for settling for a setback three in those moments. Right? Which was nice, I gotta say. It was nice not to have like a million step back threes tonight. It was, it was pretty nice not to see that.
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Will
Yeah, and, and even though the Celtics only made, what was it, 11 of 43 for 25, I, I thought for the most part they, they took and got pretty good threes. Right? Like, like I'm sure you could nitpick out of 43. I'm probably, I'm pretty sure someone could go through and be like, what about.
Greg Manakis
Well, Tillman shot three and they had no chance of going in, so I could, I could do without Tillman's three.
Will
Okay, well, like I said, you could go find three. Okay, so 43, we're pretty good also. Okay, I, this is something I thought of and I'll look it up here in a second. Why does everyone keep saying Luca Garza is a shooter? Like if you go look at his basketball reference page, nothing indicates that he's a shooter. Everyone keeps saying that.
Greg Manakis
Yes, he's white.
Will
I don't, I don't get that one. People have been saying that all season or all preseason and I gotta put an end to that. Luca Garza is not a shooter. I don't know where that narrative came from, but yeah, o of two from him. And so, you know, and then on the flip side, when you look at the three point line battle, you know, 16 of 40 from the, from the Sixers, they shoot 40, we shoot 25. You know, that's, that's sometimes how it goes if you guys are going to shoot, you know, about the same amount. But overall, like I said, and especially when you look at the Derrick White, Peyton Pritchard and, and Sam Houser who are going to be three guys. And I'll throw Simons in this mix too. Those are the four guys that I look at. Like, okay, whatever amount of threes we end up taking in the game. If those four are playing, probably like 75 of the three should come from those four guys, right? Like that's where they should be coming from. And that's basically what happened tonight. But Simons went 2 of 6, Derrick White went 4 of 13, Pritchard went 1 of 7, Hauser went 2 of 6. Like they didn't that those four are gonna have to carry the load from the three point arc for the Celtics to to continue to play in a style of shooting 45 to 53 a game.
Greg Manakis
What'd you think of Derrick White's game tonight? He ended up going 7 for 20 from the field, 35 overall, 4 for 13 from three seven or seven from the line. Three of those came on that shot, fake three that he had drawn the foul. Ends up with 25 points, three runs, four assists to stay on the block.
Will
I really like this game. I think he just missed shots like I think especially in that, that stretch of. What was it like the 8 minute mark in the second quarter to like midway through the third when the Celtics missed? I think like 12 to 15 straight threes or whatever. It was like he had a lot of good looks, especially early on because when Embiid was out there, all you had to do is set a pick. Embiid was playing the laziest drop defense I think I've ever seen anyone play like legitimately reckley league pickup. But like the score is already out of control. But this was the second quarter and, and like Derek White got a bunch of looks off of that. He just missed them for a while and then he finally the third quarter, he got going, hit two there and then started getting to the free throw line. But I really liked this game overall from him, especially the mentality, I think the mentality that he had at that in the Raptors last preseason game, I think it carried over to this where it's like, yo, somebody's got to get buckets on this team. Someone's got to be aggressive. We can't just be, you know, waiting around the three point line. We're going to take some threes. But he was getting into the lane. He was getting, you know, he got seven free throws. So I like the mentality that he's taking into the season knowing what his responsibility is going to be as that second in command to Jalen Brown. So other than him just missing some shots, I don't really have much of an issue with, with Derek White's game tonight. Alex.
Greg Manakis
Well, I just want to Re give a shout to our producer Alex, who's in the private chat. He says he likes D. White's game too. He was really aggressive out of the half. Wish he continued in the fourth quarter. He went back to settling. Defense was just okay as Maxi was just cooking. Yeah. And this is the thing that Derrick White is going to have to figure out this year. Right. Where I mean he took the most shots on the team and he had the most free throw attempts. So he was the most aggressive guy looking to score the ball tonight. Right. And he is one of the best defensive guards in the league, but he's never had to have this much responsibility on the offensive end. So.
Will
Yeah, yeah.
Greg Manakis
How, how much can he balance his game? Like Jalen Brown has always been one of the best two way players in the game where he does a ton on offense and he busts his ass on defense. Right. And the conditioning that, that takes to be able to do both sides of the ball where, you know, Jalen notoriously early in his career was asleep off ball all the time. Right. And he had to kind of like put those bad habits out of his game. And part of that was he was just like it, I'm just going to guard the ball. I'm going to be the point of attack defender so I don't have to worry about ball. Right. But now I feel like I, I trust Jaylen off ball more than, more than like four years ago, you know. And with Derek White tonight, he's the on ball defender against Tyrese Maxi, who is absolutely cooking best player on the court by far, Tyrese Maxi tonight. And it's just, you need somebody. This is why it was so great to have Drew Holiday last year. Because if Derrick White wasn't doing it, you could go to Drew Holiday and now it's just Derrick White and when Jalen has to play the four and he's having a guard up and he was guarding Embiid at times tonight, like that's another point of attack defender that you don't have. Right. Because he has to guard up and Tatum could also be that guy when he was healthy. So it's just you're seeing the, the roster construction holes in this point where like you're hopeful that Peyton Pritchard or Anthony Simons can turn that, that valve off when in reality it's got to be Derrick White because Tyrus Maxi looked like, you know, a bona fide all NBA guy tonight.
Will
Yeah. Maxi was unreal in this game. And you know, first of all, he's maybe the fastest Guy in the NBA potentially. And when you factor that in with something I thought was interesting we talked about all preseason was the higher pickup points, right? Like whether it's full court press, three quarter court, or picking up right at, right at half court, there's this benefits to it, right? But the downside of that is Tyrese Maxey gets ahead of steam and you've got, you know, Luca Garza or Xavier Tillman in drop coverage and see you later. Like that. Yeah, that's just gone. And like, even if Derrick White or whoever it is tries to get by that screen or keep up, like if you have your, your bigs that are pulled so far away from the basket or, or just giving Maxi a chance to, to get into, you know, to get kind of wound up like the Energizer Bunny that he is, like, you're just not going to that, that that's where it's going to be. And between him and Edgecomb, that's where that strategy, especially early on, I think, I think Missoula kind of adjusted a little bit in the second half. But early on it was killing them because it was just like every pick and roll was just Edgecomb and Maxi just going right by. And then of course Maxi got white.
Greg Manakis
Hot from, from Dude, 7 for 9 from 3 out of Tyrese Maxi.
Will
Dude, what was that in the third or fourth quarter where he just hit like four. They were down, I think 12. And then he just single handedly. Yeah, that's that. And then he almost hit a fourth is what it was. And I was like, this is going in. I just assume this is going in.
Greg Manakis
And seven or eight from the line, six assists, only one over. Yeah.
Will
Unbelievable game for Tyres Maxi. I want, I want to save him and Edgecombe. I, I, we're not a Sixers podcast. But I do want to talk about both of them because I just think they were.
Greg Manakis
I did text my Sixer, my Sixer fam and let them know like, yo, you guys got one in Edgecomb, because that dude is.
Will
Yo, go get the kids some Edgecomb jerseys right now, dudes. Legit. Go get it right now. But let's stick with the Celtics guards for a second because you mentioned Derek. What I want talk a little bit about Peyton Pritchard. What, what did you think? Let's throw it back to you. What do you think of Peyton Pritchard's game?
Greg Manakis
So until he took the, the last two shots of the game where Peyton.
Will
Pritchard, which real quick on that, I know Peyton, we love a pain. Nobody loves A Peyton Pritchard buzzer beater more than Celtics fans. I get it, I get it. We don't have to go to him at every single buzzer beater. Like, there, there. There are other things that we can do. We need to, we need to diversify this. This is a problem. Problem now.
Greg Manakis
Yeah, and I mean, I know you're, you're saying that somewhat in Jess, but like that, that last play was designed to get Jaylen Brown the ball on the right wing with like a empty side, right where they ran that like football formation. Three guys at half court. Jalen was on the far side on the left and he like cut across as three guys were kind of cutting by him diagonally. And we just couldn't get him the ball, right? So the ball ends up getting to Pritchard. Pritchard decides we're, you know, it's only. It's a one point game. I'm gonna get to the basket, which is a good decision in that, in that mom. And then he just kind of pussy footed right around the basket. He probably traveled. And then he got blocked by Grimes, who, who. Who's an underrated defender. So. Overall though, to, to answer your question about his game, before those last two possessions, he was 6 for 12 from the field. Right? So 1 for 7 from 3. I don't know, man. I, I feel like I needed more from Peyton Pritchard tonight if he's going to be the starting point guard for this team. It's like there's some moments where with Pritchard, you recognize, man, he's really like six feet, six and a half feet because he just looks small in a game where there weren't any big guys on the court and he was still really small out there. Right. And in those last two possessions, he gets blocked on both of them, right? Or just I couldn't get the last shot off with a clean look because he's so small and, and that part of that is on Joe for putting him in those positions. And part of that's just the reality of who he is as a player. He's just a small point guard, right? But he's. He's got to figure out a way asset starting point guard to play within. Within the trees a little bit more. Even when the trees, like, are more hedges. Because he wasn't playing in the trees, he's just playing in the hedges.
Will
Yeah, I think that's, I think that's pretty good. Pretty good breakdown. And he had some moments where I thought playing off of, of two feet in that, you know, 10 to 14 foot range. He made some nice moves, right? A little bit of using the body contact and, you know, kind of being able to create some space. I thought he had a couple of those moments. But what really stood out to me was again, drawing back to the last preseason game. I really prayed. I was like, that's some passing and some play making that I haven't seen from Peyton Pritchard. And that was not. That just wasn't there tonight. And, like, even on that last possession, where I totally agree with you on him driving into the lane. When you go back and watch that tomorrow, he's got Simons and Hauser both wide open for shots, but he just doesn't have it. There was another play, I think, is. Either. I'm pretty sure it was in the fourth when Neemi was starting to get going with, like, being. Being able to roll, and he just was a little bit late on one pass, missed another one. And so. And part of that, to your point, might just be he's small. It's kind of like a small quarterback. Like, that's why they're worried that they can't see, you know, through everything. But. But it's a little worrying on a night, again, when mostly the other team wasn't playing anyone above 6, 7, 6, 8. Like, we're gonna play a lot bigger teams coming up here. We're gonna play the Knicks on Friday night. You know, they're not gonna have Mitchell Robinson, but they're still gonna roll out double bigs. You know, they had. What was it? Carlton Towns and Caporti. Caporti, I don't forget. You say his name. But they started with a double big lineup, so they're gonna have some trees out there that's gonna be a lot more difficult to deal with than what you had to deal with tonight. So I think for me, that was the alarming part. Like the shot, whatever, one of seven. Not worried about that. Like, again, I think very similar to Derek White going 4 of 13. I thought he had good looks. I had pretty good looks most of the night. Just didn't hit him like it's. It's gonna go in. We've seen Pritchard have a slow start from three before, but he's a. He's a legit bonafide 40% shooter. That will. That will be fine. So I think that was the biggest worry for me was, again, and when you look at this team, you know, I think they meant, like you said, we'll have to see what some of the Potential assists are. But no one had more than four assists, right? Four assists for Jalen, four assists for, for Derrick White. Like, it's. We've got to find ways to, to create more with and somebody's got to do it right. And it's just going to be a tough balance of. If Jalen's the one doing it, fine. But he's the guy that in this league has averaged 26 before, right? He's the guy that's built to be the engine on both sides. So if you're asking him to just step back and play, make okay, but you guys better be knocking down the shots if that's right.
Greg Manakis
And that, that goes to our comments about Jalen playing this like, very composed, well crafted floor game tonight where he didn't, you didn't feel him like you felt Maxi and Edgecomb on the court. It's because he was kind of put in that position where he, he needed to set other guys up. Right. And I think he did a really good job of taking what the defense was giving him and not over, you know, over exerting himself or forcing it. When we've seen him do things like that in the past, he recognized like, oh, the entire defense is kind of bent towards me. Me, I'm just gonna drive to the basket and I'm gonna kick it out. And you guys just got to hit those shots. They didn't hit the shots tonight. 16. 16 assists total for the Celtics tonight. 11 turnovers. So 11 turnovers.
Will
Good.
Greg Manakis
16 assists. Not good, right?
Will
Yeah, that's, that's, I think, the kind of way to look at it. So, you know, a disappointing loss. I think it's a game they could have won. I think again, no Paul George, no Embiid. For all intents and purposes. That's the part that's, that's, that's difficult where it's like, okay, if you really want to tell me that this team is going to be a succeed highest optimists out there, and we've, you know, we couldn't put this game away. It's first game of the season, but it's not a great start if that's the case that you're. You're looking at. And you know, all season, all preseason, I've said I think this team is probably more in the 8, 9, 10 range, but we'll see. Just. That's something that I think is, is definitely noteworthy. But for the Sixers, let's talk about that backcourt, man, because Holy maxi and Edgecomb, they combine for 74 points you mentioned. I'll just go through both of their stat lines here. BJ Edge going, by the way, a rookie. A rookie in his first game I think now third highest scoring debut. I think drew Carter said on the broadcast of all time. Wilt Chamberlain of course is going to be number one. He had 43 points in his debut, but Vijay Edgecombe played 42 minutes. Like this is the other part about these two guys. They didn't come off the court 42 minutes. He led the Sixers in minutes 13 of 26, 5 of 13 from three three to six from the free throw line ends up with 34 points, points, seven rebounds and three assists. Only two turnovers. And then Tyrese Maxey played basically about the same 13 for 24, 7 of 9 from 3, 7 of 8 from the free throw line, six assists to go along with 40 points and two steals and only one turnover. Greg, these guys stole the night. Like that's, that's, that's the other way to look at this game. It's just these guys won this game for the Sixers and they stole the night because they're the two stories from this game.
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Greg Manakis
Dude, I had never seen Edgecombe play. I'm not a big college basketball guy, so I literally had never, like, watched a full game of Edgecomb. I'd only seen highlights like, holy that dude.
Will
He didn't look like this in college. Shout out to our guy Chris, who said he liked him in college. I don't know if that was a joke or not, but if Chris is watching Baylor basketball, shout out to you, my guy. I. I mean, I watched a little bit, but it, you know, college, I feel like always restricts these type of athletes that you don't get to see them. This is part of the reason that I think college basketball is for very frustrating to watch at times because that was insanity. Some of the things that he did, the dunk he had early and then I think even more impressive, honestly, was that Aliyoopin transition.
Greg Manakis
That was the most impressive thing I've seen in like 5 years. Dude, how.
Will
You know how easy he made that look? Just so casual, like.
Greg Manakis
And he didn't even react after. After he put it in. He just like turned around and ran down the court like, yeah, do this every day.
Will
Like, never mind catching it, but catching it and adjusting to because he was like, like in a very awkward position. Like, Kelly Uber took a dribble taken to. To make it the timing way off.
Greg Manakis
He like, did the limbo under the rim as Josh Minot was like, doing the limbo under him.
Will
Josh was right there. Like, it was well defended. Like, for. For Josh Monet, it was. It was a beat late from Kelly U on the pass and just an incredibly tough catch adjustment that he. He did it so seamlessly.
Greg Manakis
Dude, who. So who. We were texting about it. You know, we were talking about how, like, he reminded us of the Thomps and their athleticism. Who are the other athletes that you feel like he. He kind of like gave you the same vibes because one is like, Dennis Smith Jr. For me, like, when Dennis Smith Jr. First, like came out of college, I was like, whoa. Like, that bounce is pretty crazy. He's a better player than Dennis Smith Jr. But just pure athleticism. That was one guy that came to mind.
Will
Yeah, I. I mean, I think it's kind of some of the. The usual suspects. And like, that first dungeon caught me off guard and then I was just on edge the rest of the night. Like, what else is this dude gonna do? But, you know, you think of the Rose, the Westbrooks, the, you know, the Moran's. I think a guy just popped in my mind when you said it that I wasn't expecting like an OLA Depot when OLA Depot had like his prime. Like I think because of the way I think old people would be actually who I would lean into more of just from their style of play. Like I think Morant and Rose and Westbrook had a little bit more like violent attacking the rim every single time. Whereas like, like Edge Comanola Depot had more of a. Not a grace to their game, but it was a weapon. But not their only weapon. Like early on for some of those guys it's like I'm just gonna be so violently, I'm gonna be so violently athletic, you can't do anything about it. Like Edgecomb was that. But then he also was very, very composed. Took really smart shots. Like, I mean it was, it was kind of crazy to me that it was just very clear. It's like, all right, this is the Maxi and Edgecomb show. He's the rookie. Yeah.
Greg Manakis
And he said it's probably the T. The guys that they need to build around. Like Paul George beat. Like that's probably why Joel Embiid, like he's on a minutes restriction tonight. But part of me is he's sitting there on the bench like I can't keep up with these guys. Like what am I, what am I supposed to do? They're, they're out there killing it. I'm just gonna slow these.
Will
I don't even know if he touched the pain on offense. Like I don't, I don't think he did. Like, I think he, I think he basically went three point line to three point line the entire game and I don't think he jumped once. And you know, and you Forget like Jared McCain's another guy who played I think like 20 something games last year before he tore his ACL. And yeah, he was off, he was off to the best early start out of the rookie class last year before he got hurt. So you had, they have this kind of like three, three headed monster in the, in the background. I don't know what it's going to be, but what I saw from Edgecombe tonight, I mean that's one of the most. And you know Cooper Flag is playing right now, so I'm curious to check in on that after get done recording. But that's one of them. It's going to be hard to top. That's one of the most impressive opening nights anyone has ever had in the history of the league. Like he broke Records by LeBron and Allen Iverson in this game and set himself up as one, as the third leading scorer all time for, for a debut like that. That was historic what he did tonight. That was crazy.
Greg Manakis
He was really good. It was, it was, it was just like a fun game to watch. It sucks that the Celtics lost, but you know, I think this is where we're going to be this season. We're going to be watching a bunch of silver lining.
Will
Silver linings playbook was. Was the name, that's the name of the Celtics 2025, 2026 season. But yeah, we'll, we'll see where the Celtics team goes. They have a game. We're back Friday night. We will not be recording after the game Friday night, but Friday night against the Knicks on Amazon Prime. Our first look at what the Amazon prime broadcast look like. Actually I did have a question for you about the broadcast tonight. What'd you think of that like up top camera that they were, they were flirting around with at different points of the game?
Greg Manakis
He was different, so I didn't like it because it was different. I like just the traditional, you know, courtside, half court view. But I think it, you know, it gives you a different perspective of the game. Which I think like when you go to a game you sit court side versus you sit in the rafters, you just like see things differently. It's like why in football offensive coordinators are like at the bird's eye view because you just get like a different picture of the game. So I think if they stayed on that camera a little bit longer and not try to make it like this cinematic thing that happens every once in a while, I could get used to it or like maybe have the option to watch the game from that camera. But just cutting in and out. Not a fan.
Will
It was. Yeah, it was, it was weird. Very much. Your react, your reaction to it was my initial reaction and then there were a couple plays where I was like, oh, I am actually seeing things in like a really unique perspective. Yeah.
Greg Manakis
Simon said on the, in the fast break.
Will
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so there were some things where I was like, oh, this is actually way cooler. But I think it's weird because like you're right, they should stick with it longer if they're gonna do it. But also when that view goes on for too long, it gets a little disorienting and you're like, I don't really like this anymore. So it's like very specific place. So I Think it's gonna be great for replays. I think to your point, cutting in and out in between live action is, I don't know, maybe it's a little stressful in my eyes is what I'm sort of getting to, which might just mean I'm old, but anyways, the point being we'll see a new broadcast from Amazon prime on Friday for Celtics, Knicks, and then it'll be Sunday. Celtics Pistons will record sometime after that game on Sunday. So make sure you're locked in with us. YouTube, Twitter, you know the deal. Appreciate you guys supporting Greg. Let's take a quick look just around the league at some of the scores right now. And actually before we do that, any. Any thoughts on last night? Because last night was pretty epic as far as an opening night. NBA on NBC. Brown Ball Rock is back round. Okay. Round Ball Rock. That like, it's so good. It's just. It's awesome. I. I didn't really care too much about a lot of the other stuff. Everyone was hyping up NBC broadcast. I thought it was fine. I thought it was just like, not that much different, to be honest. But the game itself. And I didn't watch all of the second game, but the first game, OKC and. And the Rockets was an unbelievable masterpiece. Double overtime. I'm sure you have a couple of thoughts. I just want to leave the floor open for you if you had anything you wanted to. To bring up.
Greg Manakis
I mean, I always come back to what is it going to look like when the Celtics play these teams? And it's terrifying.
Will
Terrifying.
Greg Manakis
Like, enjoy the games. We get to play teams like the Sixers because when we have to play the Thunder and the Rockets, it's not going to look as good as it did to me. Those teams are terrifying, man. The defense that they're able to play for 40 minutes.
Will
No J. No, no. And also no DFS on the. On the Rocket side, too. I was like, all game. I was like, the rocks like a Koki's playing co pretty well. I was like, there's somebody missing. It was DFS that. That wasn't available for the game, too. Yeah, but I mean, another lengthy defender because that's what they need, right? Yeah.
Greg Manakis
But Jabari Smith, he stood out to me as someone who looked like he was, like, making a little step forward there. Thompson, I just love the way the Thompsons play, man. Like, they're so much fun and they're so bouncy. Edgecomb, like, gave me the same vibes. I was just like, man, it's Just fun watching the, you know, top 1% of the top 1% of athletes in the world do their thing out there.
Will
There.
Greg Manakis
And just seeing what he was able to do to Shea before he ended up going down with the calf injury, I thought he did a really good job bottling up Shay. And then Shea got loose, you know, she got loose in that fourth quarter. And overtime re ends up with 35 after, like having 11 going into the.
Will
Fourth quarter in the second half.
Greg Manakis
Yeah, like, pretty crazy stuff from him. But I mean, basketball is just fun, man. Like, if that's, if that's what the product, the peak level of the product is. Like, I don't how know how anybody can complain about basketball anymore. Like, that's just fun to watch. It's competitive. Like, the defense is there for all. Like, the narrative of defense is gone from the NBA. Watch that game last night, that was like, that was a game 7 as the first game of the year.
Will
Yeah. I mean, what was it? Like 107 to 107 to. To go into the first OT or something? They barely got over 100 points, like, for everyone. That's like too many threes. It's 130, 50 to 150. It's like they had to scratch and clock, like literally scratch and claw to get to the double overtime score, which is like 125 to 124, whatever the. The final score ended up being. And yeah, when you think about it, to your original point of what that looks like versus Celtics, you know, I mentioned. I forget which one of our chats it was in, but it was thinking back to that horrific second half last year in OKC and you stripped down the parts to what the Celtics have this year. It's like, man, if OKC just decides to turn it on versus this team, boy, oh boy, that's. That's not gonna be pretty.
Greg Manakis
But it's not going to be pretty for most teams.
Will
For most teams.
Greg Manakis
Right. That's just what it is.
Will
And that was my thing with the Rockets was, man, this is glaringly evident. Like, like to a degree. And they almost won the game, but it was very evident they were missing a reliable ball handler, which would have been Fred Van Bleet for them. And not that Fred Blam Bleed's a wizard. He's just like composed and would have been, you know, okay with the pressure. He's been in so many big moments and you just constantly had. Whether it was Reed shepherd or Tari Eason who. Look, I don't know what the hell's Going on with Tyres.
Greg Manakis
Dude, he was terrible.
Will
But just. But just like, there was so many rockets that just kept picking up their dribble. Like, someone please take this ball.
Greg Manakis
Dude, they didn't even. They didn't even like, inbound the ball sometimes because nobody went back to. To receive the ball. They bound. They're like, somebody has to come.
Will
Because everyone was scared. Everyone was like, I don't want it. I don't want to. I have losing and I get it, man.
Greg Manakis
I get it.
Will
I have Wallace on me. You take it. I have Alex Caruso on me. I don't want it. So. Yeah, but a fun game. And the Thunder are gonna be a problem. They are gonna be a problem. All right, quick look around the league here. We've got some scores that are in win. Bucks go to 10 against the Wizards. Giannis. Typical Giannis. Line 37, 14 and 5. I still maintain the Bucks will be terrible, but the Wizards are far worse. So that's a win for the Bucks. Grizzlies win 128 to 122 against the Pelicans. Big night from John Moran. 35 points for him, 27, 9 and 5 for Zion. Bulls upset the Pistons here on opening night. A little bit of an upset there. Pistons. A lot of. Lot of people's teams that are going to be right there in that 3, 4, 5 mix. We'll see them on Sunday. And Greg, I know you're big on the Hawks. Raptors. Smoke The Hawks tonight, 130. Am I actually big on the Raptors?
Greg Manakis
Yeah, I picked the Raptors.
Will
Okay. Okay. I could. Dude, we talk a lot of basketball. I don't remember all your stuff.
Greg Manakis
Like, that was, that was. That was like the one when we had to, like, pick a team that was going to be like, the team this year I picked.
Will
Raptors.
Greg Manakis
Who did you pick?
Will
That's right. No, not the Spurs. I don't remember what I pick for that.
Greg Manakis
Yeah, you just, you just say, man, you don't even remember what you say.
Will
Dude, I black out. I, I, I. This is, this is, this is, this is the problem when I'm like, I know we had a good segment and I want to tell Alex what he should go clip. I'm like, I blacked out. I don't remember where it is or what it is. I know I just walk away going, either I felt good about that show or I feel bad about that show. If I was like, I wasn't prepared. I kept interrupting Greg. I just didn't. I was just blabbering and so I walk away either feeling gross, great, because we killed it. We had a good interview, we had a good flow back and forth, or I'm upset with myself for not being more prepared. I don't know what we talked about. Never do.
Greg Manakis
That's fair. Well, I picked the Raptors as my team. I said if there's one team that could like, like surprise everybody and end up in the Eastern Conference finals that nobody sees coming. Like most people were picking the Hawks. Isaac, they went Raptors.
Will
Yeah, well, I mean, hey, maybe it was a night where Chris Staps was, was feeling the pop spots, you know, maybe. Maybe that's what it was. Whatever. Yeah, that's the diagnosis. I don't know. Whatever. We're. We're past it, KP. We're past it. Orlando Magic 125 to 121. Lot of magic stock going around these days. Hornets, Nets, I don't even care. Nick's Cavs 119 to 111. That'll be a fun one to go back and watch the highlights where we had our guide Lip Tac texting us saying a very different Knicks team. Gonna be excited to see what it looks like. Them playing 11. Guys, guys. Certainly not a Tibbs feel, at least from the reports that we're getting. But that could be the two best teams in the East. So big win there for the Knicks. And then we got some late night games here specifically. Greg. I know when we're done, I'm gonna go tune into Spurs, Mavericks. Right now it's 57 to 48 with a minute 16 left. Victor Webman Yama already up to 21 points and seven rebounds in that one. So that'll be fun to watch. But hey, over overall this is all to say, feels good having basketball back in our lives and yeah, just, just fun to have it back. Celtics wish they could have won, but hey, we're right back at it, baby. We got two more games before the next time we pop. We'll have plenty to talk about.
Greg Manakis
Yeah, we can't. We. Nobody get like too upset after losses this season. There's 82 of these games. Right. And just enjoy, everyone, because we don't know if we're going to get playoff basketball this year.
Will
Yeah, it's not a guarantee that we get an extra bonus. Month and a half, two months of basketball. That's not. That's not. It's been the case. The case for, you know, the last five years. Not the case this year. So enjoy it while you can. Find the parts that bring you joy. That's what I'm going to tell everybody. Find the parts that bring you joy and let's go along for the ride.
Greg Manakis
And hey, if, and if it brings you joy to comment on every single one of our videos, then, and you know, with negative comments and go ahead and do that. If that brings you joy, Alex will filter through them. Alex will be the one to respond. And you know, and if you want.
Will
To just, you know, just tell all of your friends like non stop to like and subscribe. Like just, just do that. Like you should do that incessantly if that's what it is that really brings you joy. Tell your friends, tell your girlfriend, tell your wife, tell your friends, your family, all of them, like just do it. Don't let anybody stop you. We believe in you. That's gonna do it. For this episode here of Green with envy. Green with Envy live post game again. We will be back on Sunday following Celtics and Pistons, so tune in for that. We will have coverage for you there as well as we'll have our newest segment if you've been following along. Mediocre Life update. Coming back to a raw roaring. A roaring Sunday appearance. I don't know. It's getting late. I gotta go. We gotta get out of here. We'll see you guys later. See you on Sunday. Peace.
Greg Manakis
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Will
Every time I hit this high it's you I find it don't take much no more more Until I met your dark.
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Welcome to Dairy. Premieres Sunday at 9pM on HBO Max.
The new NBA season tips off with a narrow 117–116 loss for the Boston Celtics against the Philadelphia 76ers. Will and Greg deliver instant reactions, lively banter, and honest insights into a dramatically changed Celtics roster. From promising showings and critical missed opportunities to standout Sixers performances, this episode grapples with what Boston fans should expect this season: growth, unpredictability, and learning to enjoy the ride—win or lose.
“You want to feel Jalen ... like you felt Maxey and Edgecombe.” (Greg, 13:17)
“He was there, you knew he was there, but you didn't feel him ... especially late, like, when you look at this game ... this was really a Sixers team that didn’t have ... Joel Embiid, for all intents and purposes ... Jalen, you're that dude.” (Will, 14:17–15:29)
On the need for patience this season:
"Find the parts that bring you joy. That's what I'm going to tell everybody. Find the parts that bring you joy, and let's go along for the ride." — Will (50:30)
On Edgecombe’s debut:
"That was the most impressive thing I've seen in like 5 years. Dude, how..." — Greg (37:25)
On Jalen Brown’s new role:
"That's the number one thing to me…when Jalen gets out of control, it tends to snowball, right?...But...you didn't feel him. To your point." — Will (14:17)
On Queta and the frontcourt uncertainty:
“We need to denominate a big man of the night because it’s going to be a rotating cast...there’s going to be probably some nights where nobody gets the award.” — Will (10:46)
In their Opening Night recap, Will and Greg stress that Celtics fandom this season means focusing on growth, realistic expectations, and enjoying the flashes of promise from a reshuffled roster. The hosts critique player performances and coaching decisions, marvel at Sixers’ young stars, and place this narrow loss in broad perspective: “Don’t get too upset after losses this season. There’s 82 of these games...enjoy every one because we don’t know if we’re going to get playoff basketball this year.” (Greg, 50:19)
Next up: Celtics face Knicks (Friday, Amazon Prime), then Pistons (Sunday); podcast returns after Sunday’s game.