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Fifteen years in, it can still feel like “we’re just getting started.”

Michelle Zatlyn, co-founder of Cloudflare, returns to Grit with Joubin Mirzadegan to share how Cloudflare secures the internet for millions, with a vision built to last generations.

She also shares why staying close to reality and to customers becomes harder as success compounds, and how Cloudflare is helping content creators regain control in an AI driven internet.

Guest: Michelle Zatlyn, co-founder and President of Cloudflare

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Email: grit@kleinerperkins.com

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