Big Cat (3:02)

We're.

Deontay Kyle (3:07)

This is why we be getting demonetized, bro.

Big Cat (3:09)

Oh, that's me.

Deontay Kyle (3:09)

That's my fault. It's you, Tristan.

Big Cat (3:11)

Edit that out.

Deontay Kyle (3:12)

Nah, just bleep it. We kind of cuss for the first. I think they said like eight to ten minutes. Whatever, man. Who care? We don't give a man whatever, man. You know what? We ain't got to worry about being monetized as long as you got that $8.

Big Cat (3:24)

$8, baby.

Deontay Kyle (3:26)

We can cuss all day on that one. Oh, we begin.

Big Cat (3:29)

We giving it up over there.

Deontay Kyle (3:32)

If you want to see Grizzly's podcast, raw and uncut, $8, baby. Nice little subscription. Yeah, but Patreon, any. Any issues that you may have on deontaykyle.com if you email support, sneaky will get back to you. But what a quickness. Lightning fast. Great support over there. 657234. Eggs at 657-234-3447. For all your call ins, voicemails and if you're part of Patreon, once a month when we do our live stream, you can call in and talk to us directly. Ask the cousins about it. Yeah, we got a couple of voicemails we're gonna do today, man. Big Cat, yo, how you feeling?

Big Cat (4:11)

I feel good, baby.

Deontay Kyle (4:12)

We back.

Big Cat (4:12)

New Music Mondays is back. I'm doing my thing in front of the camera as always. It's going to look a little different this week. They go like, damn, is that Big Head? I ain't know. Give it up like this feel good, man. We back. Maybe. What is episode? What?

Deontay Kyle (4:27)

It's 114. 114.

Big Cat (4:28)

God damn it. We're getting getting closer to that 250 mark.

Deontay Kyle (4:35)

We're creeping up on 250.

Big Cat (4:36)

We're creeping up 250 real quick.

Deontay Kyle (4:38)

I'll tell you what. You know what's exciting, yo? A hundred episodes ago, huh? We had just got it going. We just two years ago just kicked. We. We are celebrating two year anniversary of the podcast being visual. Yes. And brother, let me tell you, that Kingback episode, we ain't stopped since. It's been two years. We just been rolling.

Big Cat (5:02)

Yes.

Deontay Kyle (5:03)

You know what I'm saying? Rollin. Shout out, Kim Ali. Shout out to that brother Ty Harris, man. We just went to Ty Harris show. The other night. Ty Harris is a hell of a performer.

Big Cat (5:12)

Great show.

Deontay Kyle (5:14)

Imagine you would never think at a hip hop concert that the star of the show would come out and play a grand piano and hit octaves that you would only see at the opera. Ty Harris is phenomenal, man. Great. If you don't know who Ty Harris, Tye Harris is, you need to tap in. We met a Nico there.

Big Cat (5:40)

Yes.

Deontay Kyle (5:40)

Aniko is very dope, very cool individual. Her music, well, their music is very affirming. And I just rock with them, like, straight up. This is one of the people off TikTok that you get to see. Really translate their influence and their gifts to a bigger stage. They were not there to perform. They were there supporting Ty Harris. But amazing. Yeah. Nonetheless. Princess from Crime Models in there.

Big Cat (6:07)

Knuckle if youf Buck was played.

Deontay Kyle (6:08)

Yeah, they played Knuckle youe Buck on the piano.

Big Cat (6:10)

On the piano.

Deontay Kyle (6:10)

Ty Harris plays Knuckleview Book on the piano. And then Princess come out, man. Come on. I mean, what are we talking about?

Big Cat (6:15)

Yeah.

Deontay Kyle (6:16)

And then, of course, the Senju, the Hashi. The Brother Hashi. Yeah, Me and the Brother Hashi Senju met up after the show. Where do we go, Big Cat?

Big Cat (6:27)

We went to a studio.

Deontay Kyle (6:28)

Hey, and what do we do at the Studio B?

Big Cat (6:30)

We hooked up with the King of the South.

Deontay Kyle (6:32)

So speaking of, speaking of the Harris people.

Big Cat (6:34)

Yeah.

Deontay Kyle (6:36)

Kicked it with Clifford Harris.

Big Cat (6:37)

Kicked it with Clifford, baby.

Deontay Kyle (6:39)

TI Is back.

Big Cat (6:39)

He's back.

Deontay Kyle (6:42)

I seen he. He just posted a video where he. He's cut the locks off. Yeah, he's back. High, high fade, high bald fade. TI yes. As soon as he cut his hair, he's back. The hat is cocked to.

Big Cat (6:54)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Deontay Kyle (6:55)

You know what I'm saying? You know, it's not my job to put the music out there or play any snippets. That'll be left up to him, Right? He's a seasoned veteran. He knows exactly how to get the attention back to his music. But boy, boy, oh, boy, boy. Good God, when I tell you the King is back.

Big Cat (7:13)

He's back.

Deontay Kyle (7:14)

The King is back. I think he's seen what's going on outside. He said, oh, okay. Yeah. Don't forget about me. Yeah. Couple of them Kings coming back.

Big Cat (7:23)

Who else we got, baby?

Deontay Kyle (7:24)

Cold World. Hey, Cold World come back. Announced the fall off. He's rapping his life in reverse.

Big Cat (7:31)

Rapping that shit from finish to end.

Deontay Kyle (7:34)

I mean, finish to start, from finish to start.

Big Cat (7:38)

Yeah, that's how he giving it up.

Deontay Kyle (7:41)

Listen, man, we've had a healthy criticism of Cole just because of how everything played out in the battle. But the only reason that we would be that critical of somebody is because we are fans of J. Cole. Yeah. And J. Cole got a couple of classes under his belt, most notably 2014 Forest Hills Drive. But he's always told us, basically giving us a timeline, and once the fall off comes, he's done. And if that's how you gonna start, if you gonna start with the single. If the single is I'm gonna wrap my life in reverse, that fall off's gonna be something crazy. That fall off's gonna be crazy. I did predict this. What did I say? What'd you say? I said, first quarter, be ready for J. Cole to come back. I didn't have any inside information. This was just intuitive feeling that I felt like, okay, everything is calm. A lot of great Music released in 2025. You don't want to step on that or get in the mix of that. Especially if this is going to be your final album. You kind of want things to.

Big Cat (8:49)

You want to smoke.

Deontay Kyle (8:50)

You want the smoke to clear. You want the space to open up for you. I'm personally over anything that happened in the battle. I just want. I just want niggas to get back to rapping. Like, get back in your rapper bag. I'm excited to see him back rapping. The only criticism, like, we weren't even tripping about the walk away. The walk away is whatever. You know what I'm saying? If you, like. If you feel like something personally is just not a part of your character or more, and you feel like you tripping and he apologized, which is. That's real. Yeah, it was the. I would have. I would have. I could have. That's where was like, all right, Jermaine, you know what I'm saying?

Big Cat (9:30)

Like, come on, calm down, Jermaine.

Deontay Kyle (9:31)

We cooling, bro. We over there. We respected the walk off, but that is came and went, man. That almost two years old. We excited to see Cold throws hat in. I feel like some of y' all are being a little corny about how he rolling out. And it's like, oh, he can't say he the best. He can't say. He can say whatever he want. This is hip hop, man. Let that man have his moment. If this is his final album, let's respect that, because that man has had a hell of a career. He is one of the last people to make it. Where you meeting at the studio and just rapping for them. There was a time in hip hop where you would just See somebody famous and just give. You give them a 16.

Big Cat (10:11)

Give me your best.

Deontay Kyle (10:11)

Give them your 16.

Big Cat (10:12)

Give them your. Give me what game you saying, Red? You giving niggas. Yeah, you got to give them that.

Deontay Kyle (10:20)

You giving niggas your red rose white ceiling. You understand what I'm saying? Mayonnaise colored bins. I push Miracle Whips. You're giving them that. Hey, listen, it's not a lot of people that have made it off of catching a rapper or an executive slipping, because really. Cause really, that's what's happening.

Big Cat (10:38)

He caught him slipping.

Deontay Kyle (10:39)

Caught you slipping. You gave Jay Z your red rose white ceiling and got signed. This is not happening. I don't know if there's any rappers out currently right now that has that same story. No, J. Cole is one of the very few people that that avenue of trying to get into the game worked for him. And here we are. He's in the class of 2010. So here we are 16 years later. Who was in that 2010 class? 10 class is a beast of a class.

Big Cat (11:09)

The beast of a class, dawg.

Deontay Kyle (11:10)

Let's see. XXL 2010, freshman class. Hey, man. Oof. Okay, we'll have to expand this junk because let me tell you something. There's some brothers on here. It's some brothers on here I do not recognize.

Big Cat (11:34)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, they got left in 2020.

Deontay Kyle (11:38)

You know what I'm saying? There's some brothers on here. Yeah. That I don't recognize. But you know, right off the top, I see O.J. the juice, man. Okay. I see Big Sean.

Big Cat (11:50)

Big Sean on the thing.

Deontay Kyle (11:51)

J Rock, okay. J. Rock fashion. Donnis. See, this is where we.

Big Cat (11:56)

Yeah, this is where we get a little in Muddy Waters.

Deontay Kyle (11:58)

He may be the only person on there. I don't know who that is for. Sean Donnis. Freddie Gibbs. Okay. Sixteen years in. Okay. Gangsta Gibbs, J. Cole.

Caller 1 (12:11)

Uh huh.

Deontay Kyle (12:12)

Nipsey Hussle. Where's Khalifa? Hey.

Big Cat (12:17)

Goddamn.

Deontay Kyle (12:18)

And then the last is Pillow Peele had a little run, you know what I'm saying? He got shot in MMG with Antub Security. I used to fuck with Peele, though. I used to like him. He a nigga from Atlanta. He was spitting some real shit. J. Cole came in a hell of a class.

Big Cat (12:34)

That's a great class.

Deontay Kyle (12:36)

I don't know. Was Kendra Lamar ever on the XXL cover? Was Drake ever on the XXL cover?

Big Cat (12:41)

I don't think so.

Deontay Kyle (12:42)

I don't think that was ever on XXL covers.

Big Cat (12:44)

And that's why I was like, classic.

Deontay Kyle (12:46)

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna say this. That's a hell of a class. But I say that to say this. Sixteen years in the game and, you know, I know we don't believe rappers when they say that they're retiring. Jake Cole also is underrated as a producer. He also has that same skill set as a Kanye, as a big crit where he can rap and produce his own tracks. But I will say this. We gotta let this man have his. If this is the final lap, we gotta let him have the final lap. We don't respect. We get to a space where we don't respect our OGs enough. Regardless of how you feel about the beef, there was a clear winner, it was a clear loser, and there was a person who bowed out. Just is what it is. I don't think we ever gonna hear a rapper not have an album where they saying they the best. Especially a J. Cole type rapper. For sure. Ti finna drop an album, he gonna say he the best on that album.

Big Cat (13:53)

God damn that album.

Deontay Kyle (13:57)

So I' ma say this. Let a man have his moment, bro. We ain't gonna be lying about this. If. If the album not good, we're gonna have something to say. But I promise you, it's gonna be a good album. J. Cole James is gonna put out no bad album even. It might delete later. It was a great album. Yeah, he was on there running it with Soul and. And Daylight. He was running it.

Big Cat (14:19)

The best verse on the.

Deontay Kyle (14:20)

Had the best verse on there. I mean, golly, with those forces combined, I would say this. I'm just excited about hip hop, bro. I feel like hip hop is purging.

Big Cat (14:31)

Yeah.

Deontay Kyle (14:33)

Purging all the vultures where we're. We're starving all the parasites. And, you know, this is gonna be important to see who he decides to sit down with. The rollout is gonna be very important. Clips. Clips made sure that rollout matters. Everybody's not gonna play that game. Cause to be honest, from a distance, that looks a little exhausting. It look.

Big Cat (14:55)

Yeah, it looks tiring. Goddamn, they was fresh as hell, though.

Deontay Kyle (14:59)

They. Oh, man. Every time they. Goddamn, they was fresh. Oh, every time they showed up. Every. But, yeah, man, you know, we got some of the OGs. Ti's been in the game 25 years. 26 years. He's been in the game for a minute. When. I'm serious. Drop did it drop. I think. 0, 0, 1, 02. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 25. 25 years in. So, you know, I think, man, we just. We just need to make room and. And Allow the goats. Allow the OGs to. If they're gonna bow out, bow out gracefully. Whatever happened in the middle of that beef, it wasn't life or death. You know what I'm saying? It was hip hop. We ain't gonna never declare Brother Brother a winner of none of that, but we can still appreciate the music. And that's the most important part, because for people who actually give a. And are not just clickbaity, because hip hop is hot and people that actually give a fuck about this culture and give a fuck about the content this big. You know what I'm saying? I'm excited. Speaking of clickbait, we got the young brother Kaicinet. Uh, oh, Cassanette's trying to improve his literacy.

Big Cat (16:15)

He's reading.

Deontay Kyle (16:16)

He's reading. He's doing 20 minutes a day. He's. He's got the book, he's got the dictionary in hand. He probably. He got. Probably got a thesaurus on standby.

Big Cat (16:28)

I gotta have it.

Deontay Kyle (16:28)

You gotta have it. Hey, listen, man, if you want to improve your literacy, that dictionary and that thesaurus are your best friends, brother. That thesaurus. Oh, now we. Now we learning words and multiple words.

Big Cat (16:42)

Yeah.

Deontay Kyle (16:42)

Around it. Yeah. We expanded. We learned about the acronyms. We learned about the synonyms.

Big Cat (16:47)

Yeah.

Deontay Kyle (16:47)

We're learning about the antonyms. We learn about all the nims.

Big Cat (16:51)

A lot of nims.

Deontay Kyle (16:51)

The nims is important. The homonyms. Nims are very important to the English language.

Big Cat (16:58)

You gotta have them nims. You got the nims.

Deontay Kyle (17:04)

Might as well sit down somewhere, brother. Listen, bro, I don't know what you're gonna do, but if you ain't got a nim on. On deck.

Big Cat (17:11)

Gotta have one.

Deontay Kyle (17:11)

You gotta have a name on deck, bro. You gotta know antonym, bro.

Big Cat (17:14)

Yeah.

Deontay Kyle (17:14)

You know what I'm saying? Gotta know. Got no hominy on, bro. You got no synonym, bro. You got to know that, bro. This is why you don't like JCOs and TI. You don't know the synonyms and the antonyms. You ain't got the Taurus on that, bro. You got to have that thesaurus, bro. Got to have your dictionary, bro. You know what I'm saying? Listen, man, I don't care. The. The. The thing is this here. Here's the thing. Here's here is the thing. The criticism that's going to come about consonant doing this is that. Well, I don't care. This is clearly a rebrand. Remember when he said that black Americans don't have culture? Now he's improving his literacy clearly the person who says black Americans doesn't have culture is not, well, ready. So as an active participant in trying to undo those things and improve his literacy, even if it is a rebrand, even if it is a marketing strategy, I would much rather the marketing strategy be, look, hey, I read books. Hey, I'm here to improve my literacy. Look, he has influence, he has power. Whether you like it or not, he does. And if this is going to get young men to crack a fucking book open, if it takes for him to have humility enough to know and to, and to say courageously, I don't know these things. I may not be as literate as I thought I was. I struggle, but I'm working to improve these things. This is great for young men. This is great for all people. It's just young men. But young men being his target demo and, and probably his overwhelming demo, this is great for them because then you get reading feminist and womanist literature, then you get reading American history, black American history. You get cracking over a James cracking up in a James Baldwin book, huh? Go read the Black Panther Manifesto. You get reading marks. Hey, hey, get reading your guru. Hey Yugu. My bad. And then you get reading the Wretched of the Earth by France Fanon. So you know what I'm saying, it, you know, it starts in one place and ends in another. I'm just saying this is a great thing. I'm, I am very excited to see somebody that is a mainstream influencer talking about things that are actually tangible and will improve somebody's not only perspective but their character overall. Because literature opens up knowledge. When we say do the knowledge like we really mean, this is making you, this is going to make you a better person because what it does is introduce you to a multitude of perspectives. Now of course like anything else, you can get caught up in an echo chamber. You know, if a person only reading self help books, you know, certain personality, if a nigga only reading Robert Green, certain personality, you can get caught up in an echo chamber. But literacy is the most important part. And improving on, on, in areas that you have weaknesses in and, and, and being, and having the humility to put those things out there is extremely brave and courageous. And literacy is a pathway to liberation. They didn't want us to read when we was enslaved. Now you can't pay a nigga to read. So you know, let's, let's, you know, and if he never apologizes, then of course you side eye whatever. You know that take is odd. But I think that we can compartmentalize certain things and look at the bigger picture of how this could be a positive. This made as a more of a net positive than it is a net negative. Nobody's saying that Consonant is the. The arbiter of literature. I'm just saying with his power and influence, this is a good step and a good example of what to be. And, you know, we wish him all the best. We probably won't wear Vivette.

Big Cat (21:32)

No.

Deontay Kyle (21:33)

You know. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. I'm probably not going to rock the vet, But I will be still reading. So a shout out to that young brother. What a week. Aaron Strotman is a Virginia nurse that works in the NICU, and she was arrested and released on a $25,000 bond for breaking the bones of newborns in the NICU. So already fighting for their lives, and then she's breaking their bones. And might I add, the bones of an infant are damn near like rubber. And she's released on a $25,000 bond. There should have been no bond.

Big Cat (22:42)

There should have been a public stoning.

Deontay Kyle (22:44)

You feel me? We're talking about babies here. We're talking about black babies specifically. And then we're talking about the power structure of racism. When black people say, well, I can't be racist because racism is a system of power. This is what we're talking about. We're talking about people who will go get jobs that on paper are meant to help, but in practice, they're using to harm. A nurse is supposed to be a person who uses depend on. I shouldn't have to surveil the nurse, and I should be dependent on my nurse if my child is in the NICU. And she end up breaking my damn child's bones. A newborn, an infant. And then we released this bitch on a $25,000 bond. Nigga should have thrown 25,000 rocks at her motherfucking head in Virginia. Ain't to do but cook. Cook this bitch. Yeah, cook her right now. Cook her, put her in the oven. I'm telling you that this is. This is what people mean. Because if a black nurse was doing this, they would have executed that. They'd executed her. It would have been no bond. No, but this is the power structure of racism, where people get jobs that on paper are meant to help and hold power, and they use them to harm and hoard power. Policing, same thing, even if it derives out of slave catching on paper. They're supposed to be there to protect and serve, but they hoard power, and they. And they. And they wield power as tyrants in the street and with God complexes to harm people. This white woman is using her power as a nurse and the position that is. That is meant to help to harm not only people, but fucking infants. And I'm not seeing this talked about a lot. I'm not saying this story specifically talked about a lot. And. And this goes back to the point that I was making last week. Excuse me, not last week, not on last week's episode, but on this week's current Patreon episode. This goes back to the point that I was making about how America has never protected babies. So when we talking about the Epstein files and Trump and now that it's come out that he's in there actively, now that it's come out that people will say, oh, well, we can't release all the Epstein files because it could destabilize the structure and the government as we know it. We can't expect the trafficking and the harm of children to. To change anything in America. If the Catholic Church still stands whole movie spotlight, go watch it. America is not interested in the protection of children after they're born. It seems like the only time that these Christians, the only time that these conservatives, the only time that. That the right cares about babies is when they're in the womb. I don't know why. Because as soon as the baby gets out the womb, they don't care about them anymore. So could they just need numbers? Because they see humans as the way that Doordash Dash sees us, as assets, as things to produce. This is how they utilize the structure. This is how they utilize the structure of racism to harm people. Because they can get into positions that are readily available to the public. And if. If this was practiced in reverse, then she would not be able to participate in nursing anymore. This would be a speedy trial. They have her in prison by tomorrow. But because it's a white woman and because they use the mug shot where she's looking so distraught, this is how. This is the. This is the. This is the insidious nature of America. And then on the flip side of that, you got white women asking if they can join the Panthers. Huh? What you mean a white woman? As.

Big Cat (27:11)

Brother Malcolm?

Deontay Kyle (27:13)

What can I do to help? Her brother said nothing. Nothing. You got white women on TikTok asking to join the Panthers, seeing us as their protectors, while simultaneously historically seeing us as their predator. The. The. You can't make this up. This is what we were saying about this is a mental illness. This in and of itself is Is out of control because wanting to join the Black Panthers.

Big Cat (27:52)

I told you, they think darkness is the ally, bro.

Deontay Kyle (27:56)

Now, you know, I seen somebody say something that made me go. Now, we haven't seen a resurgence of the Black Panther Party. We have seen it and, you know, throughout certain resistances, especially when young men were being murdered by the police at an alarming rate and it being publicized. So I don't want to. We don't want to feign ignorance here. We have seen the Panthers become a little bit more and more promise prominent the more and more the world gets a little out of control. It is funny, and it is odd to try to spotlight them after this white woman get killed, but I know that they're on the streets to protect their people from ice and from police. And a lot of times when we see clips circulated about the Panthers, they. This is a Black Panther party that's in Philly. They're not even in Minneapolis. But I. But. But, you know, but they try to. They try to swing both of them out. And white women see an uptick of Panther content, Black Panther content, and ask if they can join the Black Panthers, which is still. And. And what? And what? And. And. And then what? Yeah, and then what? Because it's not like you're gonna do anything. This is another way of seeing black people as to be in service. I'll join your organization as long as you are will protect me. Now, they can't depend on they men to protect them. And the Panthers are historically founded on the liberation of all oppressed people. So the daily fight is for them and their people. The battle is to enact change where they live, which is why they have chapters all over America. But the war is against the system, and they only saw coalition with other organized people. Now, the Rainbow Coalition is founded by Fred Hampton. Chairman Fred Hampton, one of the most prominent Black Panthers to ever live and very young at the time of his assassination. But he coalesced with the Puerto Rican Young Lords and the poor white Young Patriots to fight poverty, racism and police brutality through class solidarity. Now, but the thing is, is the Young Lords and the Young Patriots are already organized. Yeah. So they're not pulling white people and Hispanic people into the Black Panthers. What they're doing is coalescing with other organized people. Because when you pull people into your movement, then they start trying to prioritize their struggles. So if you pull white women into the Panthers, well, then the Panthers will just become about white women and what they need. So white women go form the Karen Coalition and figure it the fuck out. Go find an or. Go. And I'm not being facetious when I say this, I'm saying if you would like to seek, if you would like to seek coalition, you first must be organized yourself. You can't co opt a movement because what you do and historically have done is co opt the movement and make it about yourself. Which is why white feminism is not true feminism. Because white feminism is what's best for the white woman while all the other women of color do the work. So like I said, the daily fight is for the people, for your people. The battle is in that change where you live. The war is against the system. Stop saving your oppressors. Now, the people in Minneapolis, Minnesota have been on fire with their resistance for sure. It is something. It's something to not only be proud of, but something to aspire to in all places where ice makes their presence known. Anti Somali protest organizer, racist and self proclaimed Nazi is attacked in Minnesota. What is this nigga's name? Jake Lang, I believe. He's attacked in Minnesota and he's saved by a black man. They're throwing freeze. They're throwing water on him in the freezing cold. They're throwing piss at him, they're throwing rocks at him and he comes with a gash in the back of his head. He also came dressed for war. In the framework of war, the only people you should ensure are safe or can make it to safety are the people on your side. So by making sure he gets to safety in this framework of war that he came dressed for you, making sure he gets to safety is a declaration that you're on his side. Stop saving your oppressors. You're still being used and you won't change his mind. If they would have beat him to death, what would the message have been? Now the message that you fear is that these people are savages. Look. Oh, oh, well, just because he had a different opinion, when the opinion is that you shouldn't exist, when the opinion is no knock warrants. Jim Crow, Nazi propaganda, Jim Crow practices, Nazi practices. Knock on your door, drag you out your home, send you to a concentration camp or a detainment facility and nobody ever sees or hears from you again. I don't know if you end up back in your country of origin or if you end up in a graveyard, but you fear these people are savages. Well, what is their message before you do it? These people are savages. The message before and after is going to be the same. Fuck how they feel. What is the message that they would Receive. These people are willing to kill their oppressors. I don't know what the fuck.

Big Cat (34:54)

God damn.

Deontay Kyle (34:55)

A little excited. The message that they receive is that these people are willing to kill their oppressors. That's the important message. The message you fear is that these people are savages. The message they receive is that these people are willing to kill their oppressors. And by you making sure he gets to safety. The message they receive is even when we organize and protest against their very existence, they will save us. You assist and aid oppression. Because of the message that you fear. During the BLM riots, there's a famous picture that came out of a black woman covering a police officer with her body to make sure that these protesters didn't beat that officer to death. And the message that was received is that even in the face of gunfire and the guns being aimed at you, you will save us. So of course we'll keep killing you because no matter how mad you get, you won't kill us back. And even if a group of you decide to try to kill us back, one of you will save us. Stop saving your oppressors. It does not make you benevolent. It makes you compliant. You worried about your soul with soulless people. I have stated here several times that you cannot be non violent with violent people. That is not how these things work. Look, there's a lot of talk going on about what people role, what role people play in the revolution. I have not seriously sat by and think about what role I'm playing. I know that I am playing one. We play one every time we show up here. I'm not here to say whether people should protest or not. What I will tell you is that in the midst of a protest, if y' all catch one of your ops slipping, don't save them. These niggas are bear maxing you, killing you, throwing tear gas at you. Every time they get. Y' all catch one of these niggas lacking you and one of you niggas protect them. What are we doing? This is all about messaging. This is all narrative. You fear the message that they already have. They already think you're a savage. They don't think you should be there. They're actively protesting your existence in their space. While you protest their existence in your space because their existence in your space is seeking to harm you. So you fear the message that's already prevalent. You send the message that you will protect them. If they would have beat that to death would have changed. I'm telling you what I know. If they would have beat that Jake Dank Lane to death, things in Minneapolis would have changed because you protected him. You never know what that timeline looks like. The only thing I do know is that we can expect more of the same because this is the playbook. Y' all could have changed the game, but there's a. There was a group of people out there ready to change the game. And there was a group of people out there that even in the midst of their protest, wanted things to stay the same. And whether that was your intention or not, by saving your oppressors, you ensure that you will remain oppressed. We'll be right back at this commercial break. We back. We back. If you are faced with attacks from people who clearly don't care whether you live or die, then why is the onus on you to care if they live or die when you have a government that says, we're giving these people federal immunity even if it has been passed or not? And it has been proposed. It's proposed that a group of people that can shoot a woman in the face at point blank range, that could shoot a man dead on New Year's who also aren't here to uphold the law, so are basically vigilantes, have been infiltrated by the Proud Boys, which is why they don't want to do background checks, which is why they walk around wearing mask to conceal their identity. They know that they are Gestapo esque. They know that they operate like Nazis. They know that they operate like the Klan. So they're bold enough to kill you in the street, but they're cowardly enough to cover their face while they do it. I don't want to hear about young and sheisties when we got white men with masks on the street kidnapping and murdering people. It is not the role of the oppressed people to be benevolent to their oppressors. You niggas talk about revolt, you talk about revolution. And unfortunately, in cases like these, bloodshed is part of the game. Now, a lot of people misconstrued a message that I put out a while ago where I said, the revolution is love. The revolution for black people is love. But they always miss the part where I say, what would you do for the people you love? That seems to be the part that they always overlook because they want it to be fear mongering, because that's what they're used to. They want it to be bloodshed because that's what they're used to. So when they hear love, they think warm hearts, hugs, teddy bears and bubblegum. But what would you do for the people you love. And it got me thinking about this movie that came out, his and hers now. Have you seen the movie Big Cat?

Big Cat (43:07)

It's a movie. I thought it was a series.

Deontay Kyle (43:10)

It's a series. A series on Netflix. Limited series anytime Netflix got a limited series. Boy, you're in store for some good shit. Yeah. When they go ahead and let you know, hey, this is the beginning and the end, you know what I'm saying? After these episodes, no more. No season two. Well, Tristan, we're gonna have some spoilers. There's gonna be some spoilers, but this is the, this is what I'm talking about. So. So we'll timestamp it here. And Tristan, you let them know where, where it ends in a movie. In the film, in this series, there's a young woman. I think it is, man. I mean, we got the technology. I don't know why I always try to, like, use my memory. Tessa Thompson. Oh, yeah, they had some. They had, they had two heavy hitters right there in the front. Tessa Thompson and John, John Barenthal or Bernthal. Yeah, he like, he liked to hang out with Rogan a little too much. You gotta keep your eye on niggas like that. But, but, but the, but the thing, the, the end all be all is this thing can act. Here's the thing. This is the consensus of the film. They live in a. A relatively wealthy area. There's a private school there. Tessa Thompson being one of the few black students, if not the only black student at this school. Her mother getting her into this school because she is a maid for the upper class people there. So even when she's introduced to the other students, they walk away and they say, oh, well, how do you know her? And the girl says, oh, yeah, she cleans up. She cleans our house. These people, these kids are very nasty to this, this girl's mother, and in turn, they become very nasty to her and another girl who's extremely overweight as a child. And we already know that overweight children are always going to be the subject of bullying. So they use the, the, the. They use Tessa Thompson's character as a young black woman. They use her to bring this overweight girl over and basically proceed to bully her. And then Tessa Thompson gets the blame because she brought her over. She didn't know what they was going to do. And this is why I tell niggas all the time, do not put your children in proximity to their oppressors and definitely don't make them the extreme minority in those Spaces in this friend group is two white girls and of course an Asian girl. So then you got to be weary of the model minorities too, who want to be the token, who want to be the, the, the, the one, the, the. The one that's included who wants to assimilate to whiteness. And even in adulthood, they still, she still assimilates to whiteness and has gained power in that space. But let's fast forward to the end of this film because there's something underlying that went on in this friend group. Tessa Thompson's character had a 16th birthday. The white girls, the two white girls and the Asian girl, bring them out to the woods. Tessa Thompson's character and overweight girl at the time bring them out to the woods. They pay some men to attempt to gang rape the overweight character. Tessa Thompson's character saves the, the overweight girl. Then they turn it on her. Overweight girl runs away. Tessa Thompson's character shouts out to the overweight girl, please help me like I just helped you up. Work girl says you, because she's thinking about the time where she brought her over to be bullied, but you still hanging out with them. So you obviously ain't that fucked up about it. But this is what this is. White women, one on one, you save them. And then when, when they, when you need saving, they say, hey, you're on your own. So then this group of men proceed to gang rape this black girl on her birthday while the friend group, the two white girls in the Asian group, watches. And not only do they watch, they start singing Happy Birthday to her as she's being gang raped by three grown men. These three girls, the two white girls and the Asian girl, start showing up dead. 20 years later. The film ends with it being revealed that the mother, who everybody thought had dementia because they keep catching her naked walking the streets, so they thinking she's losing her mind and she actually was the one who killed everybody because she found a video of the act being committed. And she said, you know what, I got something for you niggas. You do this to my daughter on her birthday and then I'm wondering why she won't come back. Yeah, how sick do you gotta be? First of all, the writer has to know that this, like, if this wasn't a real life experience, boy is it a great metaphor for the dynamics in those friendships. But the mother didn't say, oh, they were just kids. Oh, they didn't know no better. No, no, no, no, no, I'm not going to save these people. They killed Something in my child. I'm going to go back. What a jewel. Oh, man. If your momma not willing to kill, oh, man.

Big Cat (49:40)

But.

Deontay Kyle (49:40)

But this goes back to what I say. What are you willing to do for the people that you love? This is the point that I was making. She loved her daughter, so she. When she found out the level of harm that she had to endure, then she went on to still become very successful, still find love. But that part of her is always something she have to live with. And you could tell that she took joy in covering the story because she did not give a fuck about these women dying because she knew what they had done to her. Nobody knew who was doing it and nobody suspected it to be the mother because she was feigning that dementia shit. This is well thought out. She loves her daughter. She didn't make excuses. She said, oh, it's the big payback. We getting the big payback. We gonna do our big one. When you make excuses for the people who oppress you, when you make excuses or you try to save the people who are willing to kill you, you become compliant in their behavior. I want to pivot. I don't want to leave the episode on that. You know, leaving the episode on that is pretty heavy. All right. For the people who haven't seen it, you can come on back. Come on. Welcome back. Welcome back. We are back. Before I get into this, you know, I want to say that there's a clip going. The clip is going viral where we was in the studio with T.I.

Big Cat (51:22)

Yeah, I seen. I was like.

Deontay Kyle (51:25)

I just posted on my story, like, nope, clipping that. Yeah, we're gonna take that. So. Yeah, man, we was in there. We heard the music. It was great. We didn't hear everything. And we actually are. Oh, let me not say that, because they gonna spoil that too. So, yeah, we'll be. You'll see us again with TI very soon. Yeah. Here's the thing. I was talking on the Black policy lab, and I wanted to reiterate something because we were talking about this idea of dreaming, and we were all talking about the struggle of dreaming, of how do you remain optimistic in a world that can feel very pessimistic at times? How do you feel? How do you remain? How do you keep faith? How do you keep hope alive? When nihilism is always an option, when the option is to feel like nothing matters, so why should I care? And I want to reiterate something. We do not live in a natural world. Okay? None of this that we're participating in is Natural. All of this is constructed. All of this is man made. So we have to understand that we are out of tune with the rhythm of nature. And we need to reclaim the rhythm of nature. And we have to understand that even down to a cellular level, nature operates in seasons. All right, so when you see all the leaves fall off of the tree, does that mean the tree is dying? No, that means the tree is going through a transformation. And it needs to go through this transformation yearly on a cycle to remain alive. You need to be able to identify. You need to be able to identify what season you are in. And you have to understand the idea of being in a season because you're expecting growth and you are in the midst of a freezing winter. You don't want it to be winter, but it is. You have to understand the season you're in. I have been in some places who. I've been in some dark, bitter winters. And I will return to a dark, bitter winter because I understand the rhythm of nature and I'm not afraid to be in sync with nature in an unnatural world. You have to reclaim the rhythm of nature. You have to reflect on the things that you see going on outside because that's what really matters. Billboards don't grow out the ground. They have to be placed there. So while you may want your life to be a billboard, that's a manufactured spot, you are a tree. The tree isn't dead until it falls. And even when it falls, it still nurtures. Everything around, can become shelter for an animal that lives on the ground, it puts back into the soil on the earth. So, and. And it also adds to the root system that it was once a part of. But because we're so disconnected with nature in this unnatural world, we've gotten out of tune, we've gotten out of rhythm, we've gotten out of sync. And we want things to happen in the winter that we know can only happen in the spring. You looking at people who are in a summer season and wishing it was you, and you're in the middle of the fall. You can't speed up the process. You can't make the process happen any faster. What you have to do is accept the place that you're in. By not accepting, you will also extend into the universe that you are not grateful. And a lack of gratitude will ensure that you are. Either stay in the same spot that you are in now or lose the things that you take for granted. You have to be able to understand and identify the season that you in. And the only way to do that is to understand the characteristics of each season. Now, for me, new opportunities are happening. I'm getting my flowers. I experienced some rainy days, but after those rainy days, I always see growth. I am in my spring season. Season. I can identify it because I know the characteristics of these seasons. And if you fear the rhythm of nature because you refuse to accept that you're in the winter and you want to be in your spring or your summer because it's more appealing and the world promotes summertime all the time, then you're going to stay out of rhythm and you're going to stay in a space of depression. You're going to stay in a place that lacks growth. You're going to stay in a place of stagnation. Acceptance is the ultimate gratitude. What I have now is enough. This may not be true for everybody. Some people are living in situations that are dire. And oftentimes, when you view people that live in squalor, the one thing that they have that a person that lives in a mansion doesn't have is community. They have people that they can depend on and they know that people can depend on them. So I don't want to make this seem all cut and dry. I'm saying for the people that are listening, you are in a season. You need to understand what season you're in. You need to understand the idea of being in a season. You need to be able to identify the characteristics of the season so that you can reclaim the rhythm of nature.

Big Cat (58:22)

That's a word, brother. That's a word.

Deontay Kyle (58:26)

We will be right back after this commercial break. We back. Okay, let's get into some of these voicemails. Let's get into some of these emails. We got some good ones. See where we at with it.

Caller 1 (58:45)

What's going on, y'? All. I'm gonna just get right to it. Basically. I'm 23. I've been working a blue collar job for the past few years, one where I was traveling a lot and now I'm back home in Michigan. I bought a house in rural northern Michigan, mid Michigan area. So there's not a lot of, you know, not a lot of brothers, not a lot of black people out here. Same with my last job. When I was traveling, I was only. I was only black dude at the company traveling for three years with these dudes. And then now I'm working with more white people, living around more white people, and. And I kind of feel like I'm like losing touch with myself. Like before I got these jobs, I felt like I was. I Mean, I'm definitely growing up a lot, too, but I was. I was just more in touch with, you know, myself, the black side of me. I'm mixed white and black, unfortunately. But obviously, you know, the world sees me as black, so that's what I am. But like I said, I've been losing touch with that. So I'm basically seeing what are some ways I can get back in touch with that or find some groups or communities around me so that I can, you know.

Deontay Kyle (60:31)

Brother, I'm gonna tell you right now, you can join that Patreon. Ain't nothing but $8.

Big Cat (60:35)

Tell you right now what you need to do. Rent that house out and move to Detroit. Rent that goddamn house and move to Detroit, brother. I'm gonna tell you what you need to do. All right, Red, move your ass to.

Deontay Kyle (60:52)

You.

Big Cat (60:52)

Bought you a house in Northern Michigan. Who the lives in Northern Michigan?

Deontay Kyle (60:57)

At least move to Kalamazoo. My. You know what I'm saying? I know some in Kalamazoo, Lansing. Could have said Ann Arbor.

Big Cat (61:05)

I would have been.

Deontay Kyle (61:06)

All right, I went in. But with north, that went up there.

Big Cat (61:13)

To the up that down there.

Deontay Kyle (61:14)

North Pole. All right.

Caller 1 (61:22)

Get back in touch with myself. I live a few hours from most major cities, so it's not as easy as just going, you know, popping in my truck and going somewhere. But, you know, that's. That's basically the whole question. I appreciate y' all, boys. I've been listening for a while. I show everybody. All my. All my boys, like, all my. Not my co workers. Them would not like this. Them would not like this. But all my boys, like, you know, my Mexican buddies, my black buddies, you know, everybody that I actually with, put them on. Y', all. Y' all like the revolutionaries of this generation, helping out young black men like me. So we really appreciate that. Keep it up, man.

Deontay Kyle (62:15)

Shout out to you, my. Yeah, check me out, bro. The way you said I can't just hop in my truck. Yes.

Big Cat (62:25)

Can't just hop in my truck.

Deontay Kyle (62:27)

Just hop my truck and go. I gotta goddamn bring home the bacon. We just with you. Hey, yo, hey, check this out, bro. Look, you already have in community, right? It just. You're not in a predominantly black space. They can't strip you of who you are. And I understand that sometimes it can get a little uncomfortable. You got to continue to wear that mask all the time. You need to strengthen the community of people that you deal with while you can, even if that's remotely. And I'm saying this not as a place of promotion or trying to get your bread. I'm telling you that then people, if you are a part of Patreon and you in that Discord server, please vouch for the community that is being built over there. Because you have people over there who was like, bro, I had little to no friends where I'm at. And I got people on here that I can call anytime. I'm building community in this space. That's why I created the space, so people could find people that are like minded, even if those people don't exist in, in their proximity. So I would say that's one way. But also depending on what your trade is and depending on how confident you are in your ability to do that on your own, you can go to a place where your people are and not only seek employment, but seek entrepreneurship so that you can provide these skill sets to people that look like you and people that don't look like you. You know, your business can be sustained by dealing with people that are middle and upper class. But you know, find somewhere where you can go once or twice a month and spend time in community with people. Sometimes, you know, especially in a place like Michigan up north, that may be, that may be some Somalian niggas, that may be some, that may be some Indians. There may be some more of your Hispanic buddies or your black buddies. But you're gonna have to find a space of getting away from whiteness in general. But you have to be around like minded people who not trying to assimilate to whiteness. Right? So I understand what that struggle is because when I was on the road and I was trucking, you, you, you're gonna get into some places where you're gonna spend a lot of time around white people. When I worked in Erie, Pennsylvania, I spent a lot of time around the whites. But the thing is, is that I don't do no code switching. And you always, here's the thing, there's always going to be one white boy, a white man, whatever the case may be that you can kind of figure out, you, y' all got the similar banter, you know what I mean? It's always gonna be the white boy that's a little racist. Always gonna be one trying to get their jokes off. You kind of got to go directly at them. I don't take no shit from white people, but it was this white dude named Leon, man.

Big Cat (65:19)

A white guy named Leon.

Deontay Kyle (65:20)

That's just a white dude named Leon. We, we, we watched some of the similar shows, okay? We had similar interests. We interest in art and interest in Comedy. And just had I hit, like, the kind of jokes that he would tell wasn't about racism. He's just trying to be funny. Yeah, man. I used to go post up, kick it with Leon, like, 30 minutes to an hour. We'll talk about art. We'll talk about our TV show, and then we'll keep it pushing. You know what I'm saying? This ain't. This ain't me. Like, well, now I'm a white. Now I'm a white guy. Cypress. You know, on a human level, you can always find people you can connect with, especially when you out of that proximity. So when I was in Erie, I really. I was like, man, I don't really fuck with these people like that. They straight, but these ain't my fault. I'm gonna fuck my boy Leon, though. You know what I'm saying? And then I'm get back on the road and get to it. But I think in any space, you always gonna have to find your way back to your people. So when I would leave from that spot, I would always go. It was this spot by the mall, and all the people who worked there was black, so it was a spot called Blaze pizza. And most of the people that worked there was black. So at the time, I got, like, kept going. So often, like, one of the managers was black. Some of them were. I'll just go in there and eat and post up and talk to them. It's like, these my out here. These my peoples right here. These my niggas.

Big Cat (66:41)

Blaze pizza.

Deontay Kyle (66:42)

You ate Blaze pizza. And throw a little extra pepperoni on that.

Big Cat (66:45)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Deontay Kyle (66:45)

A little sauce on.

Big Cat (66:46)

Extra sauce.

Deontay Kyle (66:47)

Extra sauce at no charge.

Big Cat (66:48)

Yeah, yeah.

Deontay Kyle (66:48)

You know what I'm saying? Hey, you fucking with the brownie today. I'll throw that bitch in the oven and warm it up for you. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. That's how your people look out. You got to find spots where you can go where your folks is at. I can understand how that could be difficult in northern Michigan. But I would say you got to think about, for one, your stability and, well being first. And then for two, how are those skills transferable where you can make just as much money but be in proximity to your people and blue collar guy. You got that $8, my boy.

Big Cat (67:26)

You got eight hours.

Deontay Kyle (67:27)

$8, my boy. You got it. I know you got it.

Caller 2 (67:31)

Yo, what up, gang?

Caller 1 (67:33)

It's long overdue.

Caller 2 (67:35)

We chopped it up on Tick tock. We'll post a band called in, but we're watching the new 2026 episode. I'm on like maybe a dub 30 minutes in, you know what I'm saying? I might miss something on down, but something that you would say, and I wanna kind of go on to the same thing. These folks ain't never cared about white women. And to further that something, I like to say people always talk about the hotel brother, all this cool. Yeah, we do have some wild stereotypes, but I like to line it up. I call it the White Uncle Andy. It's the white uncle who. Yeah, man, the spaceships, they doing stuff to the vaccine. These archetypes, very important. I always looked at crazy, but I look at them as the same person lining it up to say, now these folks. See, y' all aren't omitted either. Y' all get through right in there too. Y' all. Had a wild uncle trying to let y' all know, but. Oh, man, my uncle, he's just crazy, man. He's a space taker. Nice folks who've been trying to let people know we were supposed to benda came together. They don't care about nothing but what they care about, but just figured I'd throw that in that love with y' all folk doing. I know the. The voicemail only, but so long. That's why I came on here. Sound like I mixed up, but you.

Deontay Kyle (68:54)

Know what I'm saying?

Caller 2 (68:54)

Love y'.

Caller 1 (68:55)

All.

Caller 2 (68:55)

Y' all hold it down. Deontay big ice cup cabinets.

Deontay Kyle (68:58)

You feel me?

Caller 2 (68:59)

Love y'.

Deontay Kyle (68:59)

All.

Big Cat (68:59)

Boy, shout out to the hotel brothers.

Deontay Kyle (69:04)

Hey, this to be the thing, bro. It's about prioritizing reality, right? So while I do understand hotel niggas, and I love a good conspiracy theory, and I also understand how if you could recognize patterns, you can land in some of those spaces. I'm saying the things you can't prove can't take priority over the things not only that you can prove, but that you can be actionable about, right? So this nigga, man.

Big Cat (69:39)

God damn, going crazy.

Deontay Kyle (69:41)

He going stupid.

Big Cat (69:42)

He going nuts right now.

Deontay Kyle (69:43)

I just bought my son a keyboard because he want to learn how to make beats. And he been. He. He done figured out how to play that in FL studios. He been out there going digital. You understand what I'm saying? And then my middle son played a tuba. Oh, he was like, you know, we could buy tuba. It's not that expensive. And then I could. That way I could practice at home. I'm like, boy, that keyboard in that tuba, this gotta be goddamn schoolhouse rocking.

Big Cat (70:06)

Get no sleep.

Deontay Kyle (70:07)

Turn that off. I ain't gonna lie, bro. We gotta cut that off. At the same time, I'm all for a nigga experience, exploring their talent. So, yeah, now I'm gonna go get this a tuba. It's gonna be loud as a. In here.

Big Cat (70:19)

Tuba's a. Tuba's a wild request, though. Let me get the tuba.

Deontay Kyle (70:23)

No, but that's what he played.

Big Cat (70:24)

That's what he played at school.

Deontay Kyle (70:25)

Yeah. Oh, okay. I think.

Big Cat (70:31)

How about say a tuba's a wild request, boy. Oh, you playing school. Okay, okay, okay, I get it. I get it.

Deontay Kyle (70:37)

Okay, okay.

Big Cat (70:38)

He want to practice at the crib.

Deontay Kyle (70:40)

It's a tuba thing. Shout out.

Big Cat (70:41)

No, no, I get it. I get it now.

Deontay Kyle (70:44)

And, you know, he a bigger fighter tuba. You know what I'm saying?

Big Cat (70:47)

But I was like, damn, He.

Deontay Kyle (70:48)

He just want a tuba. I'm going tell you what happened. Fifth grade, he was playing a recorder. N. Always start with the recorder. You know what I'm saying?

Big Cat (70:57)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Deontay Kyle (70:58)

And he was like, I don't really with it like that. He was like, but when I go to school next year, I want to be in the orchestra. And so we went, and they was giving him a list of, like, all the shit he could play. He wanted to with the French horn. Now, the teacher was excited. She was like, nobody ever picks the French horn.

Big Cat (71:13)

Okay?

Deontay Kyle (71:14)

And then he got to playing the French horn. He was like, I see why nobody play this shit. He's like, this shit just too complicated, and it's weird. And he was like, but one of my friends, we need two tubas. And it was only one. And I was like, everybody can't hold that bitch up. So, you know you're a bigger dude. Yeah, yeah. So. So they suggested that he give it a shot, and he fucked with it. Right, right, right. He liked the tuba. Yeah, yeah.

Big Cat (71:37)

Okay.

Deontay Kyle (71:38)

And so he was, like, walking. So he done went to the music room when school ended and grabbed the tuba and was like, I wanna take that bit home to practice. They was like, you cannot just grab the tuba.

Big Cat (71:53)

You cannot just.

Deontay Kyle (71:55)

It's my child. Yeah, yeah. He just went and got the goddamn tuba. We'll take that bitch.

Big Cat (71:59)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want that motherfucker.

Deontay Kyle (72:01)

Gotta have it. Yo, we gotta have it. Listen, bro. The teacher was like, yeah, he picked it too. But he got walking out. I'm like, whoa, whoa, where you going? Yeah. She was like, but you can. She was like, I can give y' all a place to buy. It's affordable. It's gently used type vibes. Like, where, you know, he'll get his own mouthpiece and all that. But he could practice at home and that would translate to his skill set at school.

Big Cat (72:25)

Right, right, right.

Deontay Kyle (72:26)

And I think, you know, the power of playing instruments I think is important. You know what I mean? For sure, for sure. I needed to teach you a discipline and give you it's something tangible that he can do to always learn things. Actually, since I bought him the keyboard, they all be in his room now.

Big Cat (72:37)

Okay.

Deontay Kyle (72:38)

Because they all like find that interesting. So. Yeah.

Big Cat (72:41)

I walked up, Emery's hanging out the window. She's like, big cat.

Deontay Kyle (72:44)

I was like, okay, what's happening? I'm glad you told me that.

Big Cat (72:47)

Yeah.

Deontay Kyle (72:47)

Because that wasn't supposed to happen.

Big Cat (72:48)

Yeah.

Deontay Kyle (72:50)

Get on somebody ass. As soon as we hit the end button on this. I better not hear about then other hanging out the window.

Big Cat (72:58)

All out the window.

Deontay Kyle (72:58)

Because I'm telling you it that rolled down the roof into that big ass bush. Somebody called out on those bullies.

Big Cat (73:05)

Whoop, whoop.

Deontay Kyle (73:09)

Yeah. My appreciate you, but yeah, man, I'm trying to get my. I'm gonna give my boy a tuba, man.

Big Cat (73:15)

Yeah, get him a tuba.

Deontay Kyle (73:16)

I'm saying the garage is. We cleared the garage out, so it's a little bit more space. And I was gonna tell him like, boy got good acoustics in that garage. But the reality is. But keep that in your room.

Big Cat (73:25)

Yeah.

Deontay Kyle (73:26)

And at 7pm we gotta shut him down. We're gonna take one more man. But yeah, Brad, it's. Here's the thing. People were genuinely crazy and they have all these conspiracies and there's a string of truth to everything they're saying. Right. But. But the string of truth can be to a point where they get so far detached from reality that it does sound crazy talk to everybody because it is crazy talk. You know, because you're detaching from reality. And that detachment is a form of escapism. So we have to always remember that we're walking a fine line of truth and escapism. Take one more call, then we get to these emails and then we'll let y'. All. We'll, we'll. We'll pass around the complexion collection plate.

Big Cat (74:19)

Complexion plate. The complexion plate is crazy.

Deontay Kyle (74:23)

Pass that complexion check you.

Big Cat (74:26)

Yeah, yeah.

Deontay Kyle (74:27)

Freedom papers.

Caller 1 (74:32)

With the next podcast. How y' all brothers doing?

Deontay Kyle (74:37)

Oscar. Oscar the Grouch, man, this a playing around, bro. Chris Nick's podcast thought it was lady off Friday after next.

Caller 1 (74:56)

Grits and eggs podcast. How y' all brothers doing, man? The epitome of betting on yourself and just rocket ship, man. Man, y' all doing y' all Doing such a great job, man. Proud of y' all brothers, man. Calling out from Portland, Oregon, Whitest of the whites. Yeah, I don't know how I ended up up here from Houston, but, yeah, this place is white as hell. I was just calling y'.

Deontay Kyle (75:33)

All, say Happy New Year.

Caller 1 (75:35)

Happy New Year to y'. All. Getting a little rough out here in Portland. My company shutting down. Yeah. Old lady want a divorce.

Deontay Kyle (75:48)

Yeah.

Caller 1 (75:48)

Going through it. Going through it. I was just gonna ask. Ah. I'm trying to get into some hobbies, you know? What are some. What are some hobbies y' all would suggest, you know, I know it's more of a subjective thing, but it's really hard to get into community in this white space, you dig? Don't worry. I'm saying anyway. Yo, brother, stay up, stay up, stay up. Yeah, we're gonna be all right. It's gonna be a good year.

Big Cat (76:23)

My brother. My brother.

Deontay Kyle (76:25)

Why you sound so whimsical about it?

Big Cat (76:29)

He said getting divorced.

Deontay Kyle (76:31)

Said my co. Company shutting down.

Big Cat (76:32)

Wife want a divorce.

Deontay Kyle (76:33)

Yeah. Wife want a divorce.

Big Cat (76:36)

God damn.

Deontay Kyle (76:37)

Yeah, I'm going through it. You going through it?

Big Cat (76:41)

No, you going through it, son.

Deontay Kyle (76:42)

Tell us those two things. I'mma lose my job and my marriage. You think he's got any hobbies?

Big Cat (76:47)

Yeah.

Deontay Kyle (76:47)

What?

Big Cat (76:47)

Some hobbies that can take my mind off of.

Deontay Kyle (76:49)

First of all, the first hobby is the good divorce lawyer. Yeah. The second hobby is go north to Tacoma, Washington, and get around some niggas.

Big Cat (77:01)

Are there niggas in Tacoma?

Deontay Kyle (77:02)

Oh, yeah, for sure. That's where Kevin Stage from. Okay. That's where the dude Nate Jackson from.

Big Cat (77:06)

Okay.

Deontay Kyle (77:07)

Okay. Yeah, Tacoma got niggas.

Big Cat (77:08)

Okay.

Deontay Kyle (77:08)

Tacoma got niggas.

Big Cat (77:09)

Yeah.

Deontay Kyle (77:09)

We're going to Tacoma. We gonna make Tacoma a stop. Oh, okay. Okay. We'll skip right over Portland, go straight to Tacoma.

Big Cat (77:13)

Tacoma.

Deontay Kyle (77:13)

Okay. All right. All right. Say this. Yeah. Yeah, this nigga's in Tacoma. Actually, nevermind. We'll talk about that off air. Yeah, yeah, my brother, you know, I'm not a hobbyist my damn self. I. I've been just. Only thing I've been trying to do lately is just get back into a consistent pattern of reading and writing.

Big Cat (77:33)

Yeah, but that's your hobbies, though.

Deontay Kyle (77:36)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just enjoy doing that. Yeah, yeah, cuz. I don't seek to do anything with it. You know, I wouldn't charge for my substack. Like, that's just one of those things. I know there's certain tier you could just charge for your. But I just enjoy it.

Big Cat (77:51)

Okay.

Deontay Kyle (77:52)

You know the one. The thing that I want to get paid off of for writing is film, but yeah, man, you know, you obviously have a full plate. I don't know, you had to figure out the thing that you're just willing to do for free and, you know, take a pottery class, take a knitting class, take a goddamn cooking class, take a. You know what I'm saying? You could be a hell of a baker for all we know. You could get into the bakery game, son. There could be a banana nut bread with your name on it. God damn. A zucchini bread with your name on it. You could be the muffin man.

Big Cat (78:28)

How you get to Portland from Houston.

Deontay Kyle (78:30)

Though, you know what I'm saying? Like what? Hopped on that Oregon trail.

Big Cat (78:35)

Now he's dying to. This interior.

Deontay Kyle (78:36)

Oh, yeah, he's going through it. He going through it. Yeah. You gotta get out of Portland. Yeah, man. Oregon is like one of the more famously racist ass. Just as a state. You know, at one point, couldn't own anything in Oregon. Like, it was mandated into law. I wish you all the best. Whatever you do, do it for self and do it for your own sexual. Not sexual, matter of fact, do it for yours. Do it.

Big Cat (79:09)

You get a divorce anyway.

Deontay Kyle (79:10)

Can't do it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I was going to say self gratification, but that too. Sexual gratification may be what you need. You know what I'm saying? You might need a little sexual healing. I don't know why you get in a divorce either. I would love to.

Big Cat (79:25)

Yeah, yeah.

Deontay Kyle (79:26)

Call back and tell us more about that. Or send it in an email. An anonymous email. Speaking of emails. Emails. Young black in a predominantly white field. I mean, this is a thing today. Yeah, niggas around, white.

Big Cat (79:38)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Deontay Kyle (79:39)

Niggas find themselves amongst the whites is a theme today. And you know it. As it should be. It should be addressed.

Big Cat (79:48)

Okay.

Deontay Kyle (79:48)

Tessa Thompson found herself amongst the whites. Hey. And we see how that turned out in his and hers. Man, that's a sick. That was sick. Okay. What's going on, Gris Next podcast. My name is blank. I'm 23 mix, black and white from Michigan. Is that him? Yeah, that's my. Right here. Oh, okay. He was gonna make sure he got this.

Big Cat (80:08)

Oh, he got. He got. Yeah, he got. He got his.

Deontay Kyle (80:10)

Get his shit off. Yeah, we got. We got you covered, bro. We got you covered. Am I a fraud? Oh, okay. Very good. What's good? Deontay Colin, Big bucket hat cat. I send this with a little remorse as I am a black man working in corrections.

Big Cat (80:26)

Oh, God damn.

Deontay Kyle (80:28)

Damn. Rick Ross, CEO. Just. Just give them brothers an extra trash bag and an extra blade, man. You be all right? Cool. Every day I'm at work, I feel like I'm working against the advancement of our people, even though I try my hardest to make the life of our people as easy as possible while incarcerated, as well as trying to reach out to the young black kids that come into the facility I work at. I work at a county jail in the predominantly white area where my co workers look nothing like me as I am one of the three black males that work on my shift. With a total of 25 people that come in per shift.

Caller 1 (81:01)

Damn.

Deontay Kyle (81:04)

22 and three. It's tough. I've built a lot of rapport with the black inmates as I am one of the. As I really one of the only officers who will help them, and they look forward to me coming in due to the hatred, racism and stereotyping that they experience on a daily basis, 24 hours a day. Due to this, I feel like I'm making a difference. However, am I a fraud? Because I hear on a weekly basis the white people I work with say some type of slur, some type of bias or some type of downright disrespectful thing, and the only thing I feel like I can do is smile and wave or laugh awkwardly as they joke so I don't lose access to. So I don't lose the access that I have to help those in need, as reporting them will only shorten my time in the good boys club because the whites don't like it when the black man complains. I say all this to say I have recently started trying to get my education in cyber security so I can get the fuck on and asap. This job has a great schedule with me only working half the year but making good money. I guess my question is, should I keep going and eventually, after my education, just hit the streets as a patrol officer and try to make a difference in the streets or get my education and get away from law enforcement in general? P.S. i have a baby on the way due June 2026. Also, the main reason I have stayed so far is because I get to put my hands on white men with no repercussions. Y' all stay safe and thank you for reading. Hey, look, I ain't going to hold you.

Big Cat (82:36)

I think he's in a great space, right?

Deontay Kyle (82:37)

I think you're in a good space. Yeah. Yeah. You're not a fraud. No. Listen, bro, if we're going to push back against the monolith. The monolith is that all black men should be in the streets. At least you in there, and you're getting it honest, but you're also looking out for your people. What you should be doing is inviting more of your brothers to apply.

Big Cat (82:56)

Exactly.

Deontay Kyle (82:57)

You know what I'm saying? Get more in there like you, you know what I'm saying? Help these brothers out. Yeah. And you get to beat the white man with no repercussions. Set the white man up, you know what I'm saying? White people gonna be racist either way. That's something you're gonna have to deal with, especially in workplaces, when you deal with microaggressions. And this goes back to Aaron Strotman and the power structure of racism. They will put white people, they. They like to build these prisons in spaces where the. The population is predominantly white, so niggas can go in there and get their racism off against people who are essentially seen as slaves. So I honestly feel like you in a great position if you're making good money. You're only working half the year. I mean, God damn.

Big Cat (83:43)

Yeah, God damn. Half the year.

Deontay Kyle (83:46)

You. You. Yeah, bro.

Big Cat (83:47)

Which I think is six months on, six months old.

Deontay Kyle (83:49)

They might be. You know what I'm saying? Or, or, or three and three.

Big Cat (83:54)

They could be.

Deontay Kyle (83:55)

Yeah.

Big Cat (83:55)

I think it's good for mental space, though. Yeah, for sure. Especially in that climate.

Deontay Kyle (83:59)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because once you. I mean, basically, once you work in the prison, you're a prisoner.

Big Cat (84:03)

Yeah.

Deontay Kyle (84:03)

As long as you want to shift.

Caller 1 (84:04)

Yeah.

Big Cat (84:04)

Yep.

Deontay Kyle (84:06)

I think that. Honestly, man, I kind of fuck with what you got going on, bro.

Big Cat (84:11)

You probably cool ass officer.

Deontay Kyle (84:12)

Too cool.

Big Cat (84:13)

SEO, just.

Deontay Kyle (84:13)

And that's the thing, bro. Like, you always gonna be safe, you always gonna be protected. And also too, like building a rapport with those people being a shining light for people in a situation where they're spending all of their time being oppressed. I mean, bro, you're doing a service. You're doing a service that most won't do as well, and you actively are kind of combating the power structure in that building. If you leave, they ain't got nobody. So trust your intuition. I understand. And if it gets to a point where it's just like, you know, just not the best for you and your family, then I would say move around. But I think using your off time to, like, further your education, getting into cyber security, getting the things that you can do remotely, which is great. If you can get a remote job and still work your CEO jobs. Oh, you up now. You didn't. Now we talking about the 250 to $300,000 a year.

Big Cat (85:09)

Oh, you up.

Deontay Kyle (85:09)

You're. You're getting money.

Big Cat (85:10)

You get commissary.

Deontay Kyle (85:11)

Yeah.

Big Cat (85:12)

Oh, you in there tricking off.

Deontay Kyle (85:13)

You can fly. The Zaxby's in.

Big Cat (85:18)

He can fly.

Deontay Kyle (85:22)

Because they have real chicken.

Big Cat (85:23)

Yeah, yeah.

Deontay Kyle (85:26)

I'm be honest with you, brother. I think you're doing a great job. And no, you're not a fraud. Yeah, keep doing. I respect what you're doing. Yeah. Okay. What's going on? Mr. Kyle and Mr. Cat? My name is. Oh, yeah, we don't say names. My name is Blank. I'm from Chicago. First of all, I would like to congratulate you guys on creating such a safe space for black people. And I wish you guys many more blessings on your future endeavors. Now I'm gonna say this before you say that going back to that consonant and improving literacy. When we first started reading these emails, I was struggling.

Big Cat (85:58)

A little bit.

Deontay Kyle (85:58)

I was struggling a little bit. I've noticed, like, since we've gotten more and more to do the practice and because I've been doing a lot more reading on the side. Yeah, my goddamn. I can. I'm getting to it. Reading.

Big Cat (86:09)

It takes practice.

Deontay Kyle (86:11)

It takes practice. You can read up. It's a muscle. Yeah.

Big Cat (86:14)

Like, you can read but still be like, God damn, I'm so struggling.

Deontay Kyle (86:16)

You know what I'm saying? Popcorn. I want to just point that out. I. And I still get tongue tied, but I think that's just accent or some cuz I get tongue tied when I ain't reading. Okay. Mr. Ky. Mr. Cat Blank. My name is Blank from Chicago. First of all, I'd like to congratulate you guys on creating such a safe space for black people. And I wish you guys many more blessings on your future endeavors. Thank you. We appreciate you. We appreciate you being in the space for sure. And we gonna keep it safe. I'm currently on episode 67 trying to catch up. Now, let's get right into it. A week ago, my cousin reposted a post of this Coon ass black. I like getting right into it like that. Coons.

Big Cat (87:01)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Deontay Kyle (87:03)

Coons, bro. They everywhere. Invasive species. Week ago, my cousin reposted a post of this Coon ass black. Pretty much going in on our race about our ebonics, the way we dress. I tried explaining to him that there's history behind everything black people do. And when it comes to way we talk, having go teeth fleshy, Co etc and why we're drawn to those type of things. He say I'm more focused on the history of our culture and he's more focused on the evolution. Well, you can't know how things evolve if you don't know how things started.

Big Cat (87:31)

Hello.

Deontay Kyle (87:31)

You want to evolve into the evolution of the white man? Brother Coon ass. I told him that if you learn more of his history, it would help navigate. Navigate a clear clip paint man. I just gave myself props and here we go. I told him if he learned more of his history, it would help navigate a clear cut plan to help evolve our culture. And he doesn't think so. He. He believes the things that occurred to black people in the past doesn't still affect us today. He knows nothing of redlining school to prison pipelines, or the systems that still, still are at play to this day. He thinks I'm making an excuse for black people and he feels he's holding them accountable. He would say some coon shit like we got more opportunity as black people today as we did in the past. Is my cousin a coon? And what are the ways to encourage him to do it? To deep dive more into his history? Thanks. Oh, your cousins are coming, baby. But through the knowledge. Exactly. Doing the knowledge is not easy because it's just like coonhood. Is much like Christianity in the sense that if you really study and become astute, it will undo your ideology. So the study of theology oftentimes leads most people. When people go to school and study theology, they oftentimes don't go into the church. They oftentimes go into the world and leave religion alone as a whole. Because when you are studious and you understand the history of things, then you understand what it. How it currently plays into what you are seeing and what is being practiced today. And also, and you also understand the effects of these practices historically and how they affect you present day. And oftentimes the evolution that people see in religion is dropping your religion as a whole. That's the only way to evolve it. Now coonism, cones, cones on the other hand, have a very insidious nature. Sometimes it can be hard to spot the coon. The coon aspires to evolve into something that he will never be. Coon aspires to be the white man, to breathe the same air as the white man, to live life.

Big Cat (90:04)

You know what? Oh shit. I thought she was gonna say some deep shit. Breathe the same hairs to white man.

Deontay Kyle (90:26)

All right, cool. I'm just saying that the things that Akun aspires to are not a realistic goal to achieve. So black people being in rhythm with nature naturally, right? Even if we are disconnected from it, there's just gonna be ways that we do things that are the complete opposite of white people. One of those things being finding happiness in most situations, finding healing and humor in most situations. You know, your brother wants people, your cousin, what he wants, what his idea of evolution and accountability is. How are we going to be more acceptable and palatable for white people? How are we going to make ourselves safer for white people? How are we going to continue on our oppression? And your evolution is how do we understand the history of not only the things that we've contributed to, but what our oppression has been and be able to recognize our oppression present day, but also be able to preserve certain cultural practices that have brought us joy throughout our oppression. And evolving those things do include things like undoing, overspending, undoing, ritualistic practices of capitalism when it comes to our spinning, but also doing things to make us happy at the same time. These are very fine lines to walk. But the coon and coonism. Oh, brother. It's a hypnosis. It's hard to spot a coon out in the wild. The camouflage game of a coon is very strong. They've evolved. They've got posable thumbs.

Big Cat (92:01)

Motherfuckers got thumbs, son. Got thumbs, son.

Deontay Kyle (92:06)

It's hard to. It's hard to spot a coon got thumbs.

Big Cat (92:09)

I can grab shit. Nah, that's scary, bro.

Deontay Kyle (92:17)

Beware of the coons.

Big Cat (92:18)

They can grab you.

Deontay Kyle (92:24)

All right?

Big Cat (92:25)

This Grizzly DAX podcast. That's it, ladies and gentlemen.

Deontay Kyle (92:31)

I don't think you can say this nigga, man. I would say you gonna have to tie this nigga up to a bed and be like, oh, shit. Oh, shit. Tie up to a bed.

Big Cat (92:41)

Put the hanger on the. Put the hanger on the stove.

Deontay Kyle (92:43)

Put the hanger on the stove. Look, son, put the hanger on the stove and let it sit there for, like, 45 minutes and then sticking his ass real slow. Hear that sizzle? They give him a book, then get a nigga biography. The Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley. If you're a coon right now and you're trying to breathe a white man's hair, go to the tallest mountain with the shortest gun and give yourself one to the dump.

Big Cat (93:20)

Oh, please.

Deontay Kyle (93:21)

This has been a Chris Max podcast. My bad. Y' all take this voice off. It's been a Christmas podcast.

Caller 1 (93:27)

Oh, my God.

Deontay Kyle (93:28)

Yeah, bro. TI Is back.

Big Cat (93:31)

Yeah.

Deontay Kyle (93:32)

Yeah. So in pure fashion, uh huh. The king back, homie. This has been episode 114 of the Grizznash podcast. I am your host, Deontay Kyle. But who is behind the camera? Big cat.

Big Cat (93:46)

Never coon cat.

Deontay Kyle (93:48)

Big big never cooning big never coon cat. Never cooning cat. No coonism. We are not coonist.

Big Cat (93:58)

I ain't gonna lie. I got pissed. They deal mix one times at the end of a song. I don't know what he meant by this. And said a raccoon in there but a big cat.

Deontay Kyle (94:06)

I turned this off. Yeah. X you know what I'm saying? As many jewels as you drop every now and then throughout drop some.

Big Cat (94:14)

I don't know what that meant.

Deontay Kyle (94:15)

I don't know what that mean. I said turn this ch ain't got opposable.

Big Cat (94:19)

They can't grab.

Deontay Kyle (94:24)

Before we do anything, before we go, I do want to say this. The patreon ain't nothing but $8. $8. You know what I'm saying?

Big Cat (94:33)

It's just hip hop.

Deontay Kyle (94:34)

It's just. You know what I'm saying? It's just my. It's just raps, man. Turn me up, man.

Caller 2 (94:38)

It's just raps.

Deontay Kyle (94:42)

I just want to rap. Yeah.

Poet/Rapper (94:59)

They say without the proper labor, faith.

Deontay Kyle (95:01)

Don'T stand a chance.

Poet/Rapper (95:03)

I put my faith in faith and stand Alberto land I planted seeds Adeline de turning the trees before rest in peace te's get printed to me unless impeded. Matter of fact, that got me thinking back when Mr. Love was tending to his garden, schooling me to a newity before he grabbed his clubs to go golfing. And it's no coincidence that do still had the caddy back when woods were still the best. Don't let me roll off course here, Georgie Pops was dropping jams while I was lighting s. But you know, I too was listening with mo you see, that's the best that I can do. Wisdom is the application of knowledge. I was picking up what he was putting down, just wasn't applying it. I ain't denying it. Nah, maybe I was too busy trying to find the balance between religion and science. Trying to get to to the bottom of everything while being the highest. Like a pilot's roots. Am I right, brother? Cause I was simultaneously relaying it through reason and rhyming that I sought for us dissecting systems responsible for our imprisonment. The visionary with astigmatism in scar quarters. If love is blind, then what am I? You can't fight faith, that's why.

Deontay Kyle (96:28)

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