Episode 122 - Justin Scott

Summary

Grits and Eggs Podcast

Host: Deante’ Kyle
Guest: Justin Scott
Episode: #122 – Justin Scott
Release Date: February 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this unfiltered and insightful episode, Deante’ Kyle welcomes writer and TikTok creator Justin Scott for a wide-ranging conversation. They dive deep into pop culture, current events, community, narrative control, and the concept of "selfhood." Both provide a sharp critique of American societal structures, weave personal stories into larger systemic critiques, and challenge listeners to reconsider narratives, both public and personal. The tone is sharp, reflective, warm, and occasionally humorous, with Deante’s signature wit driving the energy and Justin’s philosophical lens giving the dialogue serious depth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction & Setting the Scene

• Opening banter and jokes about cold weather in Chicago and Atlanta.
• Satirical observations about consumer responses to cold weather (“milk, eggs, and bread” as apocalyptic essentials) and underlying cultural quirks in survival responses.
• Memorable Quote:

  “It’s like, I think this is just how white people know how to survive.”
  — Justin Scott [03:24]

2. On Personal Origins and Writing

• Justin Scott gives a background: Atlanta suburbs upbringing, intense focus on reading and writing instilled by family, preacher-heavy family, attendance at Clark Atlanta, and eventual move to Chicago for new opportunity.
• Writing as a lifelong practice: from punishment to communication skill to vocation.
• Scrabble, wordplay, and literacy as core family values—emphasizing how self-expression and language have shaped identity for both.
• Memorable Quote:

  “I became, like, very—I was required to have literacy just to maintain relationship with my folks growing up.”
  — Justin Scott [07:00]

3. TikTok & Why Speak Out Online

• Both discuss how isolation radicalized them, leading to unique perspectives and a reluctance to socialize—until TikTok became a way “back in.”
• Justin’s explanation: Most ‘relationship talk’ online is romance-focused, but there's a wider world of relationships with self, politics, society.
• Memorable Exchange:

  Deante: “I've never heard anybody talk about selfhood... Not just in adjectives.”
  Justin: “A lot of folks...exist in an adjective. Rarely do you ever just get to live by your own name.”
  [10:51–11:14]

4. Selfhood & Invisibility

• Delving into experiences of invisibility, especially as Black men, and “structural neglect” even from well-intentioned parents.
• Systemic training away from selfhood toward compliance and performance, both in school and at home.
• Critique of seeking validation and “correcting” oneself only for external consensus, never truly witnessing oneself.
• Quote:

  “Most people go in the mirror only to correct. Not to witness, just to correct.”
  — Justin Scott [15:29]

5. The Performance vs. The Genuine Self & Community

• Discussing the interplay between authentic self-expression and community; performance as both a survival tactic and as a barrier to community.
• The dangers of communities made up of individuals lacking true selves:

  “A community with no selves is traffic.”
  — Justin Scott [20:55]

• Honest self-expression may come at a social cost—but is necessary for genuine community, not just compliance.

6. On Parenting & Systemic Pressures

• Breaking down the difference between “system operator” parenting (performative, optics-based) and parenting rooted in authentic care and relationship.
• Intergenerational impacts traced to slavery and ongoing system-enforced repression of Black children’s autonomy and joy.
• Quote:

  “Most people don’t grow up—they sand down… I know people who are smaller now than when they were five.”
  — Justin Scott [22:51]

7. Joy, Capitalism, and Instrumentality

• In-depth critique of how joy, especially Black joy, is seen as suspicious, unproductive, and is often only tolerated when it can be monetized or marketed.
• “Joy is not earned. It came pre-installed.”

  — Justin Scott [24:28]

• Marketing of freedom/joy (beaches, rage rooms, etc.) as another layer of commoditization; true joy and freedom persist in the face of bondage.

8. The Role of Narrative—Who Decides?

• Intensive critique of American narrative control, both historically and currently.

  “White people spend their whole life fighting over narrative control... They outsource wholeness to things like legacy, afterlife.”
  — Justin Scott [34:58]

• Recognition that the American system requires continuous delusion and conformity for its functioning.

9. Current Events: ICE, Policing, and State Violence

• Examination of recent ICE violence in Minnesota, with a focus on both racial and systemic elements.
• The power of narrative warfare: Systemic actors rapidly controlling public perception, labeling violence as necessary or normal, and suppressing counter-narratives.
• Importance of creating a disciplined, fact-based community-driven narrative to counter state propaganda.
• Quote:

  “We need mass discipline... We so desperately need it. What we need more than anything is for niggas to lock in.”
  — Deante’ Kyle [100:21]

10. Press, Propaganda, and Social Media’s Role

• Open call for independent media to act as war correspondents amid local state violence.
• Reality that mainstream press is corporate, bought, and never truly liberatory; only grassroots, independent, and disciplined narrative work can shift the story.
• The exploitation of public anger, commentary, and even violent resistance by the system—none of these alone threaten power if not organized.
• Notable Conclusion:

  “Your anger means nothing to these people. Your decision might mean something.”
  — Justin Scott [116:56]

11. Structural Power, Black and Immigrant Experience, and Systems of Exile

• Historical analysis of how structures like whiteness, immigrant assimilation, and colonial legacies maintain hierarchy and exclusion.
• How policing, data, and “for profit” institutions depersonalize and dehumanize entire groups.
• Shared sense of exile and forced instrumentality among Black and Brown communities.

12. Revolution, Agency, and Narrative

• Returning to selfhood and agency—revolutions are about refusing a will, not merely “unchaining” it.
• Importance of individuals and communities reclaiming agency and narrative from the system’s closed loops and illusions.
• Quote:

  “You’re not gonna feel freedom after the revolution. You felt freedom before the revolution, which is what caused you to go.”
  — Justin Scott [81:56]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “It’s something a little Epsteiny about that... just the whole like, I'mma have a milk mustache.” – Deante’ Kyle [04:33]
• “A community with no selves is traffic.” – Justin Scott [20:55]
• “Most people don’t grow up—they sand down...some people are smaller now than when they were five.” – Justin Scott [22:51]
• “Joy is not earned. It came pre-installed. Pre-installed. It’s literally in the package.” – Justin Scott [24:28]
• “If they find out that you’re not instrumental, Let a white person find out you’re not instrumental, they’re taking you off that list.” – Justin Scott [32:06]
• “We need mass discipline... What we need more than anything is for niggas to lock in. Stop what-if ism, stop whataboutism, take a thing as a thing and run with it.” – Deante’ Kyle [100:21]
• “You’re not going to feel freedom after the revolution. You felt freedom before the revolution, which is what caused you to go, right?” – Justin Scott [81:56]
• “Your anger means nothing to these people. Your decision might mean something.” – Justin Scott [116:56]
• On the role of press:
  Deante’: “If ICE is dressed up for war... then press should be there as wartime press.”
  Justin: "I, I feel like it might be as serious as this..." [96:30–96:33]

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [06:22–07:00] – Justin’s backstory and roots in writing
• [10:51–11:14] – Selfhood, identity behind adjectives
• [20:55] – On community and authentic selfhood
• [24:28–25:12] – The myth of earned joy and its commodification
• [29:11–34:58] – Instrumentality, roles in society, white narrative obsession
• [46:46–50:00] – Justin’s relationship with Christianity and family faith
• [61:45–63:22] – The brain and AI, rendering reality, systems vs. trust
• [65:21–70:30] – Systemic violence: ICE, narrative warfare, and state propaganda
• [100:21–101:05] – Mass discipline, collective focus, narrative clarity
• [116:56–117:17] – On not posting just for the sake of it; focus on insight and utility

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Episode Takeaways

• Selfhood and Community: Genuine communities require individuals with a strong sense of self; otherwise, it’s chaos or mere “traffic.”
• Joy & Resistance: Black joy, authenticity, and agency are under attack by systems that only value what can be commodified or controlled.
• Narrative is Power: The battle for narrative—in media, on social platforms, and in real life—is a key front in both oppression and liberation. Mass discipline and clear internal narrative are essential.
• Systemic Critique: Deep skepticism of existing power structures, particularly American state and corporate institutions, and a call for revolutionary agency that's prepared, not reactive.
• Personal as Political: Both hosts continually turn the lens back on themselves, rooting all systemic critique in personal journey, vulnerability, and the ongoing project of self-actualization.

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Connect with Justin Scott:

• Substack: [Justin Scott's Substack]
• TikTok/Instagram: @this.cipher or @cipherJ

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End with Deante’ and Justin’s sign-off:

Deante’ Kyle: “Free Palestine. Free Sudan. And nigga, more importantly, Free America.” [121:39]

Justin Scott: “Free us.” [121:46]

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For more unfiltered, community-centered conversations, catch Grits and Eggs every week.

Transcript

[Deontay Kyle]

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[Justin Scott]

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[Deontay Kyle]

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[Justin Scott]

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[Deontay Kyle]

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[Justin Scott]

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[Deontay Kyle]

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[Justin Scott]

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[Deontay Kyle]

And your hotel bed to feel like.

[Justin Scott]

Ooh. And room service to feel like.

[Deontay Kyle]

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[Justin Scott]

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[Deontay Kyle]

Would you like fresh towels?

[Justin Scott]

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[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Woke up in the morning and to God be the glory Thankful for another day to tell my story Put my opinions in the universe and let them orbit I'm from the dirty soul with a dirty mouth might need orbit miss things things on me like a nigga Norbit had to refuse them cause my bitch no rest Fusion she gorgeous as I doubt my sons up and kiss my daughter forehead them we going to get this money to my pockets Mor. Remember living in apartments. Now we playing mortgage.

[Deontay Kyle]

All right, welcome back to the Grizz podcast. We don't never do no intros. I don't even know why we doing this today, but we had to do this. The we had the business to take care of first, so we just got to do it. I'm your host, Deontay Kyle, who's behind the camera. We are here with a very special guest today. We have pulled him directly off the table. The tick tock TV screen. We pulled them right through the phone and placed them in the chair, you know what I'm saying? So where are you, where are you recording these videos at?

[Justin Scott]

Just in my house.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, that's it. You don't created that backdrop. That's just your own special effect, you know what I'm saying?

[Justin Scott]

Yeah. Show it.

[Deontay Kyle]

I've never seen you from the the waist down, you know what I'm saying? I've only seen you from chest up.

[Justin Scott]

I think I've stood up in only two videos.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, I didn't see them too. We got the incredible Justin Scott in the building today, man. What's going on, Justin? We. We good.

[Justin Scott]

We cold, but we good though.

[Deontay Kyle]

It is cold. It's definitely called. But you came here from Chicago.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, I. I don't know why they wasn't protesting the cold up there either, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, cold in Atlanta, we'd be outside taking to the city like this. Whoa. Yeah, yeah, you could, but. Yeah, yeah. Nah. When I first went to Chicago, I wanted them to protest the cold, too. I thought we should have been. Took a stand on that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, we just was looking at something that I think they said Lake Michigan, it was frozen, right?

[Justin Scott]

Yeah, bro.

[Deontay Kyle]

I'm so smooth on weather like that. It's bad enough like here. Of course, you know, we are recording this at the time of the snowpocalypse, the freeze apocalypse. That was really just like a plot. Buy big milk to get to buy gallons, you know what I'm saying? You know, we've seen a lot of milk being bought. Why is it. Why is it that? It's like milk, eggs, and bread.

[Justin Scott]

It's like, I think this is just how white people know how to survive.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

I really think it comes down to that.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's just milk, eggs, and bread.

[Justin Scott]

Nah, nah. And then it was crazy. They're not even talking about real poverty food. I ain't here processed nothing yet.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, ain't nobody snatched no noodles, you know what I'm saying? We went to the store yesterday. Noodles still in there. How y'.

[Justin Scott]

All.

[Deontay Kyle]

Y' all not trying to eat for real?

[Justin Scott]

They not hungry. They're not hungry enough. The fake hunger, right? During the apocalypse. I feel like a Scarcity Olympics a little bit.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, no, this is. I was watching Fargo, and, like, it's season two, so it's like the one with the state trooper, and, like, bruh, every time he used to go home, like in that series, every time he'd go home, he just wore a big old glass of milk. And I'm like, yo, what is the milk propaganda all about? Like, see, there's a lot of milk propaganda going on.

[Justin Scott]

Something unusual about that. I know. I even saw a picture with. With Trump with milk on his lip. And I'm sitting here like, yeah, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah, get him right, man. We can still roll. We can still roll, though, what you said.

[Justin Scott]

Oh, no. I had seen Trump with, like. Like, milk on his lip, too. And I'm sitting here like that.

[Deontay Kyle]

That Got Milk movement was crazy.

[Justin Scott]

Something unusual about that.

[Deontay Kyle]

I don't know what it was.

[Justin Scott]

It's unusual about that.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's something a little Epsteiny about that. No, well, just the whole, like, I'mma have a milk mustache. You remember that? Like, like, late 90s, early 2000s, you know, like, they'll have, like, stone cold Steve Austin got milk, right? Then it's like Derek Jeter with the bat, got milk. Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

It's kind of awkward how this, like this relationship between milk and missing children. It's just strange. Orange juice don't got missing children on the back.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I'm saying?

[Justin Scott]

Apple juice don't got it either.

[Deontay Kyle]

Nah.

[Justin Scott]

You say, you talking, but the milk industry always know when your kid missing. They know exactly when your kid go away. They very active on that. And the thing is that it sounds supportive, but they telling other children about missing children. The milk companies.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

They're not telling. It's not on the back of your milk carton. That's what I'm saying. It's on the back of your kids, though. Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Cause kids eat cereal, so it's like, imagine you going to eat you a bowl of Frosted Flakes. It's like, what the fuck? Who this little boy kid get an Amber Alert.

[Justin Scott]

Every breakfast.

[Deontay Kyle]

Every breakfast.

[Justin Scott]

Every breakfast get a.

[Deontay Kyle]

Every breakfast is an Amber Alert. Yeah, man. It's like, it's been a lot going on in the world, bro. So I feel like now morning Amber is like the perfect time for us to sit down and talk. Not only that, but the people, they've been requesting it. I don't know how many requests you've gotten.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah, yeah. Raleigh Honeys.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. It's been well into the hundreds. But before we kind of get into more current events, I wanted to know more about, like, who you are, you know, where you was, where you raised up and what you do for a living. All these, like, give people, people, like a brief bio. I think a lot of people know, you know, like, what your politic is.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

And, you know, people get a lot of value from the knowledge that you spread, but they might not know who you are.

[Justin Scott]

For real.

[Deontay Kyle]

For real, right?

[Justin Scott]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Let's give a little background.

[Justin Scott]

So I'm literally like from down the street, right? Like, I live in one thing. Like, I'm like my folks. I grew up in Latonya. Like, I was there my whole life. I was in Miller Grove. Both of them. Right. Like. Like, I mean, I couldn't get out of a home school, so. So the. The idea of just growing up in the neighborhood was just the family's like, real big in preaching, but everybody already suspect that it was already true.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, we got a little preachy, too.

[Justin Scott]

Phil's real big in preaching. I mean, like, I think, like, Dad's a minister, Granddad owned the church. I mean, grandma opened the church after Granddad died. Right. Like, they just love that kind of thing. But mostly I've always been into, like, in the writing real heavy, real heavy. And like, that's kind of been like, the main field of it.

[Deontay Kyle]

All.

[Justin Scott]

Right. Like, a lot of people will go like, oh, I just make videos. But really it's just writing.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right. Like, yeah, your sub stack is crazy.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah. I've been required to write my whole life, though. Punishment, writing, talking. My mom, like, me still writing. She'll tell me I'm writing about that too. Like, it was like that real bad. But I. I will say help me get my acumen together. So I. I became, like, very. I was required to have literacy just to maintain relationship, like, with my folks growing up. And that was very different from, like, a lot of other people growing up that. That I was just around for real. So, like, I would be at school with, like, a dictionary in my book bag because I needed to know five more words today or I wasn't talking to my mom in a good. With a good move here. Right. Stuff like that. So that's really the main thing. I ended up. End up going to Chicago after college. I went to Clark Atlanta. But yeah, because I just. I just want more opportunity, want to see more of the world. Because I had been in the Atlanta suburb area my whole life. But, yeah, that's really the main thing. Just writing and honestly. Honestly being fed up with stuff. Yeah. I mean, the world is. I mean, like, it really is a lot going on. And sometimes, like. Like, I've had some of these pieces for. For years, and I'll just sit on them and be like, I could have always showed this to somebody. Let's just try to show this to somebody. Let's just try in a way. I know how to try.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

And, you know, we just ended up here like that. But. But that's really what it was about, though. I would say my mom's real serious on the ability to read and write.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, I got that same thing. My mom, my grandma big on that. Like, acronyms was like. Or what is it? What is that? What's that game? Anagrams? Is that what it is?

[Justin Scott]

Yo, it's like where you take a.

[Deontay Kyle]

Big word and you find all the small words within it. Right. That was like, literally like a game in my household.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I mean? So, like, the ability to find words, but the ability to read, write well, enunciation was very important.

[Justin Scott]

Scrabble was an institution in my household.

[Deontay Kyle]

Scrabble, man. Scrabble chimp, bro. I don't play it was serious. Listen, I'm going to tell you and anybody that ever played me Scrabble, notice, to be a known fact, I will play Scrabble against you with the board facing you. That mean I'm finding all my words upside down.

[Justin Scott]

Right?

[Deontay Kyle]

Right, right. Yeah. Like in reverse. And it's like. And I. And I'm still win.

[Justin Scott]

It's messaging, you know what I'm saying? It is, it is. But that, that was really the main thing going on, at least in my life, though, like, heavy in writing, reading, stuff like that.

[Deontay Kyle]

What about when you went to college? What'd you go to college for?

[Justin Scott]

Communications.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

Went there to write.

[Deontay Kyle]

And that's what you do in Chicago? Yeah, yeah. So just like mass communications, things like that, right? Yeah, yeah. Let's not give you the phone. Let's not get too personal. Niggas like to get in business, but you know what I'm saying? Do you. So you enjoy. You enjoy, like living in Chicago. You enjoy the work you do, right? Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

For real.

[Deontay Kyle]

But what. You know, people always ask me this, so you being like a fellow tiktoker, what's that one thing that just kind of pushed you? Like, you know what? I'm gonna start posting on this app. Oh.

[Justin Scott]

Oh. I think that anytime that I see like, oh, my God. It's a couple of things, but I think the main thing that comes to mind is like, like when people talk about relationships, but they always talk about it through the romance centric lens. I feel like everybody's in a relationship with almost everything around them.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, right.

[Justin Scott]

Like, and that, that's huge. Right? That's not. That's not some kind of small field. But a lot of times we always break it down to, like, things like yearning things like love bombing things like, you know what I'm saying, the popular narrative. But that, like, most people don't live in a. In a. In a mainstream life. Right. Most people's life is incredibly distinct and irreplaceable. And I'm like, well, that's just. This is more nuanced to this. It's just a bigger topic. Like, what it means to be wanted is huge. What it means to be actually trusting yourself in a situation is big. But like, I will always think like, of selfhood most of the time. Like, I. Like I'll see people talk about relationship dynamics, like politics, all that stuff. But do we have enough selfhood that if we dropped all the effects, you'd still be here?

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

And a lot of folks don't get to have selfhood and like, you know, and I was lucky to, but I see it online a lot of the time where we go, we call people performative, we call people this, but over time, the per. The person is replaced by the adjective. Right. Like, and that's stuff I'm trying to get past because a lot of times people exist in an adjective. Right? Like, they exist like erased, traumatized, lonely. But rarely do you ever just get to live by your own name.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

And like, and I see people, a lot of people who cannot live by their own name.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. And whether the. And sometimes whether adjective be positive or negative, it is the thing that people cling to, right. More than anything. Especially when we talk about like positive from a superficial level that becomes people's whole personality negativity. On an internal level like that internalized trauma is like, dictates a lot of how people move out the world and how they relate to other people. So this is where we get like a lot of people, trauma bonding, you know what I mean? They bond over like a shared trauma. And. Yeah, selfhood, I think is a very important thing. I think I was like very radicalized by isolation in some spaces, by being by myself where it's like there's nothing or anybody else to depend on or cling to.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

So like, I gotta really go inward and like actualize myself and be comfortable with what I see and what I feel. And sometimes those things ain't like the easiest things to maneuver through, you know what I mean? Sometimes isolation will drive you a little crazy, you know what I mean? If you don't rein it in. But it's also like a place where you can get very comfortable. So then, you know, a big part of me getting on there was too, to not like be antisocial, you know, because I enjoy socializing. But I got so comfortable being by myself that I become like, very antisocial. Like, wouldn't answer the phone, wouldn't respond to messages, and it wasn't anything that anybody was doing. It's. There's a phenomenon about truck driving where around like the two or three year mark, they say you start to pick up traits of being institutionalized. So because you eat by yourself all the time, you buy yourself all the time. You really don't have, like, you're not living on anybody else's schedule. And the institutionalized part comes with like that being anti social, the antisocial behavior and living in your own world. Like, you know, I'm living with the media that I'm taking in. I'm living in, with you know, the thoughts that I'm having and I'm not. But I'm not relaying these or relating to anybody else at these times.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

Um. And so, like, antisocial and institutionalized behavior kind of manifest in social settings where your behavior is like, completely abnormal from the pack. That's like always socializing. So I really wanted to get back into, like, a social space.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah, I get.

[Deontay Kyle]

And like, you know, get with people and like. And talk to people.

[Justin Scott]

People.

[Deontay Kyle]

Because I was interested in things they were talking about. But I also felt like some of the perspectives were, like, very narrow. And I feel like I see that a lot with you where, like, you've widened the perspective on things so much, but you also have provided so much language around these things where it's like, people haven't. I've never heard anybody talk about selfhood. You know what I mean? I've only heard people describe themselves in events or in adjectives. Not in like, just a complete list. I'm just.

[Justin Scott]

Here I am. You know what I'm saying? That junk is hard. And like, for me, I get where you're coming from with isolation. Because I dealt with a lot of invisibility growing up. See, like now. Now I have good parents, right. And this is. This is hard for them to understand, but good parents can produce structural neglect all the time. That don't mean they knew how to hold me all the time. They didn't know how to make it through every emotion, but they sure was good, though. But it's just one of those types of things where in that type of invisibility, you got to be able to see yourself in places that other people not going to see you in. Sure, it's real hard, but a lot of people not willing to stand in the mirror like that. They willing to. They willing for the mirror to speak to them. Right. Mirror get all the authority. And when. And when I'm saying that, I, like, you know, some people will go like. Like, oh, we talking about real glass. But I'm just talking about your mom. I'm talking about your dad. I'm talking about anybody who was speaking to you. You. If you saw yourself in that little moment, then that might have been the reflection for you. Yeah, right. And if that reflection had authority, well.

[Deontay Kyle]

Well, I mean, yeah, it comes tenfold you gone.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah, right.

[Deontay Kyle]

Because now you living in. And whatever their mind of you, however they see you is, it ends up being how you see yourself.

[Justin Scott]

Right? Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

But the world has no perspective. That's one of those things I try to tell people. Only people do. Only people got perspectives, right. And you're a person, right? Like you don't have life, you are life. Right. That kind of thing. But it's tough for people to, to get that because they exist in this kind of like, I always call it like an object state. Like where most of them, most of how they feel about themselves is objectified. Right?

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

So they go in the mirror only to correct. Not to witness, just to correct, you know, and it's, and it's hard for them people. It's hard for the people for real. Because, because. And for. It shows up differently, right? Because. Because when I'm saying correct, sometimes I'm talking about wages, right? See? See that? Everybody wants to do the polite version of this conversation, right? Because. Because the polite version of conversation is like I go in the mirror to correct beauty, right. I go in, I go in the mirror to correct a hairline. Right? Right. Whatever. Whatever.

[Deontay Kyle]

I'm trying to do something, something physical or on surface level.

[Justin Scott]

Right, right. But a lot of people go in the mirror to get, try to get a better job. They be talking to themselves. They, you know, they, they base themselves off of some kind of external consensus that's never existed before.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, that's real. Right.

[Justin Scott]

That's never, like a consensus has never been out here. But a lot of people really do believe, like now I got to live up to this line. Who's saying that? Because it is who?

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, right.

[Justin Scott]

It ain't just out there, it is who is saying that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, it is influenced by something.

[Justin Scott]

Right, Right. But you know, they don't want to see what it side of the reflection though. I always give this allegory. I'm like, can you smell a rose through glass? No. You're gonna have to turn around.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, right.

[Justin Scott]

Like if you want to actually smell it, if you want to actually live life. But like, like a lot of people don't want to like inhabit their life, right? Like, like, you know, they want to occupy it. Like a pilot. Like so, so when I'm saying that like a pilot isn't taking responsibility for the plane a lot of the time, right? Like, like maintaining the plane. Well, he needs to go find a maintenance man for that, right. To get that effect to happen with himself. Because he doesn't self recognize with the plane. He self recognizes with the ability to fly.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, right.

[Justin Scott]

And that's a lot of people right? Now you tell them, how do you see yourself? They bring up their dreams, right. But how far away they have to fly to get to Them, Right, right, right. They start describing all of the distance, all of the distance they're about to cross, and they see themselves in that distance. And I'm like, now you got to be where you are sometimes.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

But that separation turned you to a liar all the time. That's one thing. Another thing. I always say world turn you to a liar quick.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Does not. The world does not prefer honest man.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know, some of the most honest people of all time have been assassinated. Yes. I think there's a mass delusion, a mass hypnosis, but also like a mass conformity that has to be working at all times for this thing we call America to even function. Like, there has to be a heavy investment in delusion. The idea that, you know, I can be born in the bottom 1% and ascend to the top 1%. This is a mass delusion because most people are never going to achieve that.

[Justin Scott]

Oh, oh, we, we could, we could say the nastier part of this conversation right now. Most people were born whole, but will never live fully damn their entire life. They won't do it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

They, they will. They will, you know, be. They'll have remnants and all this stuff and all these little things they, they cling on to, but they. People lose themselves to the world, to these systems all the time.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Like the system does not let you die whole. And this is. And it's hard for people, but a lot of people feel like that right now. I would say, do you express yourself at 100 every day? They will go, nah, yeah, nah, I have manners. Cz. They'll tell you how they got trained.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, right.

[Justin Scott]

They're like, no, I got trained out of selfhood already.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

And I'm like, well, you know what I'm saying? Selfhood is not inherently destructive. So you got trained into repression maybe. Right. But if you can't express yourself, it's tough.

[Deontay Kyle]

Is that what a lot of your. When you're doing a lot, a lot of writing and reflecting or before you make your videos, is self hood kind of at the forefront of it? Like that's the through line that you always want people to land on.

[Justin Scott]

Right, right. That, like that the conversation is about you in specific. Yeah, right. It's not about the effects you're living through. No, just talk about the life you live. Like, and I'm always living like through whatever I'm talking about. Like I was talking about self erasure. Those type of things are hard. My stomach be dropping right before then because I know I'm saying something that indicts me.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, Right.

[Justin Scott]

I deal with self erasure. I take away parts of myself all the time from people just because I believe they can't handle it. Right. Like. Like. And it's one of those things I always have, like, this rolling belief. I'm like, okay, I have to manage the other person's capacity.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, right.

[Justin Scott]

Because. Because if I. If. If I'm too. If I'm too much Justin, and they want capacity for Justin, I'm like, ah, let's just read. Let's retract in. Let's cut this off. Yeah, Right. Like. So I call those emotional amputations because a lot of people do that. They think they honest with they folks.

[Deontay Kyle]

Nope.

[Justin Scott]

You walk in the house and perform.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Do you. Do you feel like that a part of that performance lends to community, or do you feel like it's completely individualistic? Oh, because when you speak about selfhood, the actualized self, to be. To be comfortable within yourself or like you said, to express that 100% sometimes does come at the, you know, at the cost. At the cost of other people, whether they be their feelings or a relationship or X, Y and Z, which, you know, truly, if you're not invested in this, it's better to let a person know. It's better to express how you really feel about them so that they can make a decision on whether they want to stay or go in any capacity. Whether that's just platonic or intimate. But do you feel like that it's gonna require a lot more people to operate in selfhood for us to have a stronger community?

[Justin Scott]

Oh, absolutely.

[Deontay Kyle]

Or do you. Because obviously the show and the performance that we doing is, you know, decimating it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

I would easily say that we need selfhood for community. A community is made up of selves. A community with no selves is traffic.

[Deontay Kyle]

Hmm. That's a bar. Justice.

[Justin Scott]

That's all that is. That's all that is. You know what I'm saying? Like, so. So because you can have traffic, no people. It's gonna be a community. All right. Sure.

[Deontay Kyle]

Community cars.

[Justin Scott]

Right, Right. But. But this is why, like. And most people don't understand selfhood requires consequence. Right, But I'm not talking about, like, small consequence. I'm talking about irreversible change. Some people will need to see you differently for you to be who you are.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

Even if they don't respect you for it. Because there's a difference between somebody who's free and compliant.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

Like, some people are just. Are just system operators. Yeah, right. Like And. And it's hard to say this, but this is what a lot of parenting is. Right. Like, because there's a difference between parenting from a sense of self. Right. This is my life. I see you in my life. I care about you. Because we share a life together versus system operating. System operating is. This is what a good dad is. Mind you, there is no consensus on it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Justin Scott]

You've already. You've decided a consensus.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's a. But it's also like a. It's a conformity to the world. This is what the world has said. A good dad is giving the world authority. Giving the world authority. And also like parenting through the optics of the world. Right. You know, like being embarrassed by your child. Being a child. Yep. You know, like these things like, oh, sit down, be quiet. Also things that stem out of slavery, to be honest.

[Justin Scott]

For real.

[Deontay Kyle]

But, you know, this idea of what a good parent versus what a bad parent is because children are like their own class of people and often neglected class of people. Then we never consider like. Yeah. What role they play into society because we all are. We all start there, but then for whatever we. We grow up and then there's no consideration for like, what makes children happy, what. What helps children learn, what system. What, like structural systems need to be put in place for them to thrive. It's all about the workers. You know what I mean?

[Justin Scott]

See, and. And I would even go, most people don't grow up. They sand down.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Right.

[Justin Scott]

I know people who. Smaller now than when they were five.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Because. And what did they tell you in therapy all the time? Therapy is about returning to your childhood in all ways. So like, some of the happiest things you can do as an adult are the same things that you really enjoyed as a child.

[Justin Scott]

Right. Really? Really. But. But this is because we mostly. And this is something that black folks experience deeply, which is the fact that joy is suspicious in a system that does not know how to turn it into use. Right. Like so. So joy is one of those emotions that does not always produce value immediately. Right. Okay. That's. That's hard for the system to deal with. Not for. Not for herself to deal with. So the system likes to make Joy. Likes to make joy suspicious. Now what is this joy for? That's what they like to say was productivity done already.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

They trying to make sure that the valuation.

[Deontay Kyle]

And joy is often reserved for marketing.

[Justin Scott]

Right. Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

So when we look at somebody who's taken a blood pressure medication or STD medication or depression, antidepressants or Even drinking alcohol.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

Everybody in those commercials are always like. Like they're having a fucking great time. And then it's like. Yeah, but the underlying thing is like the side effects.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I mean? And the effects that it has not only on you, but the people around you. Right, right. Those things aren't accounted for. But now we've reached a place in the black community where we've talked about how our joy is our resistance because they don't know what to. And because it's not valuable to the society like our labor is valuable. Our trauma obviously has a tremendous amount of value, but our joy is often ignored and overlooked.

[Justin Scott]

I think I truly believe, like one of the. One of the worst punishments that you could do to yourself is just the belief that joy is earned. Joy not earned. It came pre installed. Pre installed. It's literally in the package. Right, Right. Like I always say this, like it's stock. It's literally stock. But we talk like, man, I don't deserve to be happy. I ain't worked hard enough. Who are talking to.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know, that's like, that's, that's, that's like you puppeting, you being a puppet for that system. It happens because to, to. To try to quantify happiness in that way is wrong. Or, or as if it's something you have to earn. But you never have to earn anger. You never have to earn sadness. Only things that make you feel good are things that you have to earn.

[Justin Scott]

See, it was because. Because the system already knows how to monetize anger. They already know that. They know you're gonna make a little post screaming because of whatever. Whatever's gonna happen. Right. That system knows how to get to you there. The system knows how you gonna monetize sadness. Right. What you said with alcoholism. Right. People with weed dependence, all this stuff. Right? The system knows how to do that. Your joy system does not know how to do that all the way. Right. Right. Finds that suspicious.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's actually a thing that. Now that's, that's, that's interesting because it goes back to what I say about the marketing and commercial. Joy in this system is something to repackaged and bought.

[Justin Scott]

Right. Shipped off.

[Deontay Kyle]

You gotta ship it off. You know what I mean?

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

You gotta order it. You know what I mean? It comes with like. There's a monetary attachment to it instead of like. But when you look at a child, like, literally running for a child is just like, oh, peak. It's peak.

[Justin Scott]

It's peak.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Running, getting dirty, doing cartwheels, playing in water. Children are like happiest as they can ever be. Like their joy is very like it's forward facing for them. It's like one of the main things that they're chasing at all times. They want to be happy. Right, Right.

[Justin Scott]

And I think one of the biggest questions that like, I think most adults need to sit with is for real, like, when is the last time that you felt non performative joy? Right. Like, like not joy to match the setting right now, not joy because you paid for it. So you're gonna be happy. Now I'm talking about non performative joy.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

Because that's the type of stuff that gets people free, right? It really is. Yeah. Right. Cause I always think about like what, like, like things like what was bondage? Like what, what was it like in that environment? Right. Well, wasn't no happiness in that environment. Nobody was happy to be in chains.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right, Right.

[Justin Scott]

But we did find joy and that was hard for the system to wrestle with.

[Deontay Kyle]

And that's that that part is always so crazy for people.

[Justin Scott]

It is, it is. They don't, they don't get how foundational it is because they themselves have been still in bondage. Right. Like it's, it's one of those things where, where people don't understand that you're supposed to feel freedom. You're supposed to feel freedom. It's not some kind of spiritualized concept. It's a felt thing.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

But a lot of folks, they, they sit there and they, and they don't realize that they are, they are just in new chains. Like they in new chains.

[Deontay Kyle]

The person who oppresses doesn't realize like it's an act of oppressing themselves.

[Justin Scott]

Oh yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Because you know, I tell people all the time, like white people don't look happy. They don't look like happy to be here. Now on paper they have everything.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

And then, and in an argument they'll tell you they're better at everything and they're the priority there are the default, but can't achieve like genuine true joy and happiness. And oftentimes it only seems as if their happiness comes off the backs of others suffering. Right. But in the midst of us, like being used as free labor, we had a thing called a laughing barrel where it's like just to hide our laughs. You know what I mean?

[Justin Scott]

Right, right.

[Deontay Kyle]

And it's like the environment doesn't dictate anything to laugh about. But that just show you like how unserious we are.

[Justin Scott]

Oh yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

We just don't take, like, we don't take them. Like, we don't take it too serious. Like that's. And, and like, you know, you go through, back through the history. We have a history of like true freedom, right?

[Justin Scott]

No, for real.

[Deontay Kyle]

Living off the land. Living like living in harmony with nature and, you know, music, arts, you know, culture, all of these things have been like, way more long standing than our bondage here in America. We talking about 407 years since the first ship docked on this land with slaves in tow. And now we talking about people that sustain like what, maybe 10,000 plus years of human history, Right?

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

Of being just joy, you know, like, you know, you know, there's conflict, there's all these different things, of course, but there's also like, institutions being built, there's education that is arriving in these spaces. There's arithmetic, there's, you know, just spoken word. And all of these different things that we've contributed, like even just civilization as itself, all of these things we've contributed throughout our human history. You can't erase that in 400 years.

[Justin Scott]

See, and this is one of those things that even when we talk about like, like how white people see things, white people believe in Instrumentality, right? Like the belief that like, all, anything could be used, right? Even people, right? Like, it's a human Instrumentality. So but then when you're missing like, like, you know, even let's compare it to like a flute or something like that, right? They see it. They see a whole person as unlegible, so they need to craft you into something, right? Like, so most people are, are like what we was talking about earlier. Like, they trained down. It's brutal for them. Like, not only is it, not only is it literally brutal, like, like for these white people who are trained down, right, right into these systems, I would give it the pov. Like, like, even when you talk about what freedom feels like for you, they think about how it could be instrumental to something else.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yes, right.

[Justin Scott]

Like, so. Because they believe almost everything has a place, everything's in an orchestra. All this stuff is not helpful. It's not helpful. It doesn't allow you to be a person. It allows you to play a role. Right? Like, and this is why, like, when we look at European societies and all that stuff, they role infected. I mean, it is infected that no people are there. We can identify exactly where they played, just where they played.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, right.

[Justin Scott]

So.

[Deontay Kyle]

And a lot of it is also dictated in the question, their line of questioning. Who are you? Where are you? Where are you from? Where do you live? What do you do? All of these things. They need to, like, where are you instrumental? Yeah, where are you instrumental? And what box do I need to put you in? And it's also, like, a thing of, like, if you're above me, I'm in disbelief. If you below me, I'm comfortable, but I can also look down on you. So, you know, even with how we relate to one another, oftentimes we're not really where the hell you was. Oftentimes when we, like, are talking to and relating to each other, the conversation isn't the same. It might be some, like, where you from? You know, this did, like, the funniest thing about black people is, like, when we talk to each other, we always trying to figure out if we know you from somewhere. Like. Like, if I know your people. You know what I'm saying? Because, like, it's like a familial, communal aspect. I don't really care about where you work. Like, that shit don't mean nothing to me. And then, like, how much money you make. That don't, like. Right, right. You know, we'll. We'll often, like, just kind of base that off of how you dress. Like that don't really matter. But I think the thing is, is, like, oftentimes it's like, are you from Latonya, man? I got a cousin staying Latania. You know, Kenyatta. You know Kenyatta? Like, n. Like n. Really just trying to figure out if I already have some type of connection to you.

[Justin Scott]

Right, right.

[Deontay Kyle]

On a. On a human level, but not, like, on, like you said, instrumental level. Right. We're always trying to find points of connection, to collaborate. So, you know, when people see me and they, like, see me going into different studios and things, like, oh, you do music? And I'll be like, nah. They be like, oh. Cause I make beats like, it's like I'm trying to find a point of connection for collaboration. It's not necessarily about how I should value you.

[Justin Scott]

Right, right. But. But for them, it almost comes down to. It almost starts to affect how they see a human. Right. Because if they find out that you're not instrumental, Let a white person find out you're not instrumental, they're taking you off that list. They are lifting you off. It is true.

[Deontay Kyle]

They give you a fountain here.

[Justin Scott]

It's bad. It's bad. And this is why, like, whenever you look at their societies, you see a people of roles, right? You don't see a people of, like, you'll see a village, a community, anything. Even when we say leaders. No, their leaders are role based, right? Not personhood, not how much they touch anybody. No, just a role. Right. And everybody. Somebody else was doing their role too. And that's all there is.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what, though? I said this about, I've spoken about this in private. I don't think I've ever said this on a public platform. But when you look at their shows, like their TV series, I'm. I've been.

[Justin Scott]

Why?

[Deontay Kyle]

We've been watching too much of that. It is. What's the Jim Jones and them rapid. Let's rap about it. We gotta stop watching them clips. The niggas got me pronouncing words wrong. But whenever you watch, like white TV series, especially those about family and familial power succession or White Lotus or Game of Thrones, the lifestyle that they live is like ultimately void of emotion and always, always, like, maneuvering towards power. And it's always like this double cross, triple cross game that they're playing, like billions. You ever seen that movie? That show?

[Justin Scott]

I know what you mean, though. It's all leverage.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's all leverage based. And it's like, even in succession, like, succession is about the father's empire and all the kids are strategizing and maneuvering on each other about how to achieve his seat in power or be his successor. Right, right, right. But like, for me, I'm watching Billions and it's like the main dude, clearly a sociopath, like the guy who's the billionaire, right? He's clearly a sociopath and he's operating in things like where he's going against. He's trying to finesse, like government, government agencies because he's committing fraud. He's doing all these different things. But, like, everybody has to always be like three steps ahead of the next person. And there's all this like, double crossing, triple crossing. I'm gonna call you because I want you to call him. Because when you call him, I don't know you called him. And that'll stick to me to call this person. It's like all of this, like, mind games. And I was like, bro, this shit seems stressful as fuck. Like, I would not want to live like this.

[Justin Scott]

And it was crazy. They got it made compared to, compared to most other black folks.

[Deontay Kyle]

But it's all sociopathic, right? It's like completely devoid of emotion and all about greed and power.

[Justin Scott]

Right, right.

[Deontay Kyle]

And these are the shows that they're like, yeah, this is entertaining. No, nigga, this is sick. Like, like, I can't keep up with The. With the plot of, like, all of this double crossing.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah, yeah. Like, and this is one of those things where a lot of. A lot of folks, especially, like, in this type of, like, in this type of situation, because they're like, roles were embraced worldwide, right? But the way they embrace roles was distinct because they embrace story, right? Like, so white people spend their whole life fighting over narrative control. Most of the time, who's in charge of this narrative? Who gets legacy, this type of thing? Like, and they outsource wholeness, like, the wholeness of self to things like legacy, the afterlife, all that stuff. This is why they defend those places so hard. Because that's the only places they ever feel like they'll get to be full people again. Right? Like, but they already have kind of mentally agreed here. I will be small, right? Like, I won't be. I'll be compliant. I won't say my demands. Just small, right? Like, and a lot of times, like, we call it the status quo, but it's really just erosion, right? Like. Like, and the thing is, is that we always think that, like, and this is why it's tough to. It's tough to describe to people. But white society has no movement, right? Like. Like, the idea, like, when people go like, oh, like the KKK was a movement or ISIS or MAGA is a movement. They don't have a movement. They have erosion. Right? Right. A draw, a shoreline getting eroded back is not moving anywhere. Okay, okay. I'm just saying, right? It's just losing itself slowly.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

And we can't live over there no more, right, because the shoreline is gone. But that's what's going on with white folks right now. They go through erosion and everybody living on their coast, right, Got forced to live on their coast now are now moving. Now we have to move inland because we already understand that they're going through an erosive condition Z. When we look at. And this is one of those things where it's hard for people to hear stuff like this. But I promise you, when we look at racial groups, it don't. It should not be shaking out, like, oh, I can't tolerate being around other people.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, that's odd.

[Justin Scott]

That's odd. It don't. It. It doesn't make sense. Like, and that's a sign of a. Of an erosive humanity, right? A systemized humanity. That. That now they're just, like, they're so concerned about survival. And this is one thing we always talk about, black folks in survival. See, they're so concerned about survival. They will let the world burn before it compromised it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

That's how concerned they are about, about the way they survive.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. And, and it's, it brings me to this idea of what capital capitalism is and how it erodes in all aspects. Right. Because I remember one time I had took a vacation and I went to the beach. And the beach is, no matter what you call, it's loud enough to create a quiet mind, if that makes sense. Like when you at the beach, those waves crashing and all of that action that's happening is loud enough to kind of create a silence in your mind. And so I was supposed to be on vacation, I'm supposed to be enjoying myself. And then my natural mind goes to like, man, a thousand years ago this.

[Justin Scott]

Was free, just free.

[Deontay Kyle]

And I just started thinking about how much money I spent and travel to get down here on a hotel, how much money I'm going to spend on food while I'm here just to have this moment of peace. And the only thing I could think about is, yo, this is free. And then I was thinking about if I was ever homeless, I would just move to the beach, right? Like I would be somewhere where water is, where there's public access to beaches because. And this is what they call like beach bums. But it's like, no, just an act of like that peace that we know that water brings and that peace that being close to the shoreline and the looking out to the endlessness and the vastness of the ocean brings a peace piece that is free. But in, in, in a capitalist America is quite literally one of the most expensive like destinations, period. Right. The shoreline of America, especially the South Shore, is the most expensive places on this earth. Like buying property on the beach. Are you out of your mind?

[Justin Scott]

Right? Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

Are you out of your mind? Can you imagine living in Miami? Some of the, the nicest beaches in the world, the most expensive shit you'll ever do, right? And even when we think about New York, New York being surrounded by water is something about of course, like human civilization can exist without a proximity to water. But the, the serenity that water brings humans has been like quantified in such a place where it's like it value, it prices everybody out, right? So now it becomes like a short term destination. It's a vacation, Right?

[Justin Scott]

But not just a presence.

[Deontay Kyle]

Not just a presence, but like the ultimate beauty of Earth is commodified.

[Justin Scott]

Right? Right. And this is really, really how they, how they feel about it on like a huge scale. Right?

[Deontay Kyle]

It goes back to the instrumentation, right? What can I make off of this? Like, not like, wow, this is gorgeous. Not even, you know, not even in the Christian nationalists would look at this and say, look at God's word. They'd be like, I could, I could make bank if I put a house right here.

[Justin Scott]

It's gorgeous. But is it essential? Yeah, right, right, right. Don't say stuff like that. They'll say, is it essential? Do I need this? And this is how we end up in situations where they go for climate burning and all this stuff because they're concerned about instrumentality. It really is strange like that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Like, and even, even this, this is something that like I've been really looking into because it's hard to address it because most people become an instrument over time, right. Like right now people instrumentalize. Like and just to give you perspective on it, let's say, let's say like, you know, black boy indicated he grows up, he's growing up big, but at some point he's going, he's gonna have this one moment. And everybody remembers this usually like the moment that his emotions are considered too much. The one moment, right, right. That one moment comes, right? And then he realizes his moment, his emotions are not instrumental to the relationship. Right. Usually this, this is when the trading starts, right. You start negotiating with reality about, oh, okay, is this who I am or is this who I need to be to meet this him? Right. Like, and then once you get that little edging down, right, that little, that little like, like how, how to put it like that little amputation, a little cut off down. We send them into schools that also great get, get them to measure themselves. Right. Like for instance, a high school ring, a high schooling kid is instrumental to a school. Oh yeah, they, they wouldn't word it like that. They would say high grades are instrumental to a school. But that's because we've reduced the child to a grade, right? Like, like, and, and then once, once we, once we get that down, person graduates. And this is how you get a person want really good grades but terrible social skills, right? Like, because they, they didn't learn any selfhood, they learned measurement. So now when they meet you, all they have is measurement.

[Deontay Kyle]

Well, and then it's also the value that you bring in others. Cause is a cause for celebration, right?

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

So it's like anything else. It's like beautiful people, right? People that are beautiful, had been praised for their looks their entire life, often don't have much of a personality because they've never had to like formulate a personality. The only thing they do up and look good and everybody all on their dick all the time. So the smart person is the same thing. It's that. It's the value that your intelligence either brings an institution, a teacher, or, you know, these are the. The systems that praise you. So you want to achieve as much as you can in these systems. And then by the time it's time to relate to other people, it's like, well, I'm smart. And it's like, niggas, Like, I don't care, nigga. I don't care. It's like, are you funny? What are your interests? And then it's like, oh, well, these aren't interesting socially. The people who are very valued socially and person to person relationships are not valuable to systems. Like, they can't. Because I can't place joy anywhere. Because what you often are doing is bringing joy. The class clown brings joy to the students, but he's a headache for the person that's the head of this structure. So in this structured thing, I can't. I don't have any use for, like, you making niggas laugh.

[Justin Scott]

Right, Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I'm saying?

[Justin Scott]

I get what you say, but.

[Deontay Kyle]

Cause it makes me think about all of these, like, drawbacks that we have that we experience within ourselves, about what we should aspire to. So when we think about the black boy that's in athletics, the only thing that he's ever been valued for is, like, his athleticism.

[Justin Scott]

Right?

[Deontay Kyle]

So when we start. So then you ask him, like, you know, when you got, like, a regime like Trump going on, and it's like, well, where's Herschel Walker? Let's pull Herschel out. Cause we know he ain't been using his goddamn mind.

[Justin Scott]

Right?

[Deontay Kyle]

Right. But he's praised like, you know, these white Southerners value football. They'll always remember you for your athletic skills. You could talk to somebody. I saw this at play with this dude I used to work for, this dude named Murphy. Murphy, small town in Georgia, broke the Russian record at Douglas County High School. You know, Big Murph, you play with his son on football. But listen, we would be out and. Because he has a very successful car detailing business off of relationships.

[Justin Scott]

Right?

[Deontay Kyle]

And everybody is like, okay, we just gonna go to Murphy. You know what I'm saying? And as much wealth as he accumulated, as instrumental as he was in his community, and as valued as he was by his family and his friends and the things that his father has done in the community and all of these different things that just make him a Great human being. Anytime he would talk to dudes that was his peers, the only thing they would talk about is, man, you remember in high school, you broke the Russian record. It's like, he don't care about that shit. Right, Right. But it's the only place they know to put value on him is like this athletic thing he did 30 years ago, you know what I'm saying? Because him having a successful car detailing business, they don't really know. Cause it's a service business too. So it's like, I can't put you above me and I'm a lawyer, even though you make more money than me. But it's all like, oh, but you remember when you could run that ball? Like, what the fuck?

[Justin Scott]

Right, right. But this is the thing. Even in all the stuff we talked about, like beauty, smarts, all it is. Or even status, right, Even status. All of that is usually only value for the effect it has for them, right? What they could take from it. Because when they was playing the sports and stuff like that, and they had that cool moment, it gave them a story.

[Deontay Kyle]

Absolutely right, right.

[Justin Scott]

They get to have the effect of holding your story. Right. Like, and sometimes people will share your own story back to you. Almost like, oh, you remember that now? See, you would think that it's nostalgia, but it's not nostalgia because they. It's not about you remembering. It's the effect of the nostalgia. Right? So the effect of nostalgia usually sells somebody cheap belonging, right? Like that. That's usually the effect of nostalgia. Somebody walking to you, talking about the past. They're like, oh, no, we. I belong here. That's what they're trying to say.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's, it's, it's. You know what it's like? It's like when Neo hops on the plane and he sits next to the lady and she recognizes him and he like, don't scream. And she like, nigga, I wasn't finna scream. But that's the effect that he's used to having on people is fame.

[Justin Scott]

Right? Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

That status. And now that that's went away, he doesn't know what else to like. His personality or just his selfhood. I don't have any selfhood. I'm just Neo the singer. Like, I'm just famous.

[Justin Scott]

And this is the hard part about it though. That's the hard part about it. Because a lot of people do not have or. Or have never been wanted. They don't have one and have never been wanted because you need a self to want from. See, and this is Hard. This is hard for people. So most people only know or, or they'll do partial wanting but they pretty much only know how to do effect shopping. So like even with Neo. Neo, only neo in this context knows how to, knows how to see an effect happen. Yeah, yeah, you know how to see what happened. But that's about it though.

[Deontay Kyle]

I wanna, I wanna go back a little bit to.

[Justin Scott]

You.

[Deontay Kyle]

You growing up in a religion, a religious household. Right. Are you. But you're not, you aren't religious, are you or aren't you?

[Justin Scott]

No, I'm Christian. I disagree with a lot of them.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Justin Scott]

I disagree with a lot of them.

[Deontay Kyle]

How does that, how does that like you know, affect how, how has it affected like relationships? How is there a debate or, or are there debates that you've had with your parents even in their capacity and religion that you know, you get a little pushback for? Because the way that you often see things is not through the same lens as everybody else.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah, nah, nah. It causes, it definitely causes a friction sometimes. Yeah, yeah. So I know church wise, like I went to a whole bunch of church grown ups growing up, a whole bunch of churches. But now like at least the last church I went to was like Berean. I don't know if you know about that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

But I think it's non denominational because they just call themselves a Christian church. But like the main thing I've always followed growing up and it's something that my dad preaches is just what Jesus taught. Yeah, that's it. Right. Everything else we just reading other words now. Right. Like and most people don't know, don't realize that they exist. There's such a thing as a Christian and then a Judaic Christian. Right. Judea Christian is like somebody who's like overly obsessed with Israel. Somebody who's overly obsessed with the Old Testament. They practice all the things that Jewish people do. Nothing wrong with that. But you're a Judeo Christian.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, right.

[Justin Scott]

Like, and then there's people where the movement of Jesus was enough to motivate them. Right. Like, and I'm more closer to that category. But I definitely disagree with a lot of Christians on a lot of things. Me and my folks get into it all the time about stuff. Yeah, all the time. I mean now it helps improve things because despite us arguing, we still hit together.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right, right.

[Justin Scott]

So, so we both, we both sharpening here. But I would definitely say when it comes down to most, like to most Christians, most Christians are looking for like, like, I mean like what I said cheap belonging. They're looking for easy consensus, looking for narrative control. You know what I'm saying? Looking for a mediated way to interact with God. I don't think we need any of those. Yeah, see, like. Like when I heard. When I heard I am the father of one, I thought we was on the same team. But then when I went to church, everybody was like, well, when he goes up there, he's gonna cause God to fly in through a window. I'm like, oh, okay. Like, you know. Cause the church always rewards mediation.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

I don't know if I believe in mediation between a person and God. I don't know. If a person could pray over you and God would come closer.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

I don't know if a pastor can go on stage and God come closer.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right, right.

[Justin Scott]

Like, all those types of things is suggestive for me. Yeah. But most Christians I disagree with on, like, on fundamental things. Like, they'll be like. Like, Jesus is the reason why we're going to heaven. I don't know. Jesus ended a state theocracy. That's all he. That's all he ever achieved, evil.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

He tore the veil and said he was done.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

He didn't say, and now y' all get to go to heaven. Who knows?

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I'm saying?

[Justin Scott]

Right. But he did. He did end a state theocracy.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Right. And we still live in the midst of a state theocracy.

[Deontay Kyle]

Absolutely.

[Justin Scott]

See, now, but they. But that's the real life part that they don't want to hear, right?

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Because when I always tell people to, like, do away with this notion of democracy, like, I'm. I'm not trying to hear that shit.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

I mean, you know, if we. If we want to start talking oligarchy now, we can start moving in the same direction as far as the society, because that is the way it's set up. But the reason why I ask is because anytime I watch. Have watched your videos, I'm like, he getting. He getting, like, he getting into his sermon bag. Like, I can see it.

[Justin Scott]

Oh, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's just. I can see it because it's, like, natural. Right. But your views don't seem informed by religion. It seems informed by, like, pure observation and how you want to communicate these ideas to people.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

I know that you gotten pushback with the whole, like, AI thing and shit like that. Actually, funny enough, me and you were dealing with, like, we were dealing with our shit in tandem. It's like everybody decided to come to come for us at one time.

[Justin Scott]

Oh, yeah, it was a time peak.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, it was a crazy time where like, both of them was like, Deontay, Kyle and Justice Scott, those are the guys that I listened to. And everybody was like, all right, fuck them. Let's figure out a way to take them down. We'll figure out. Deontay's a panderer, and Justin Scott doesn't have original ideas. He's using AI to generate ideas. And I was like, listen, AI can't keep up with this nigga. Trust me. Trust me.

[Justin Scott]

They really hoping right now. Yeah, they really hoping. I mean, if an AI could work as hard as I would work, that I think it might take over the world right now. What's the name? Now? I will say this, though. Like, there were times in my life where I was, like, wildly depressed, especially when I was unemployed. Like, two years ago, I was unemployed eight months straight. Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

That's a tough one.

[Justin Scott]

It was hard. It was hard. And in that moment, I don't know if I wanted to be here with y'. All. I don't know that, but I know if I know that, I. I went and found a way to keep myself here. And that's. And that was my relationship with AI for a little bit. Just trying to keep myself here until I could get a job and get back to up. Right. And. And that's how. And that's Was my very first relationship with it over anything. Right. Was just me not wanting to be here and saying, oh, well, maybe I can convince myself.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right, right.

[Justin Scott]

Like, and that. And that was the real story about it all together. Now when people are like, oh, like, he's using it for this and this and. And generation. You need to make your own stuff. That is what life is going to require. Yeah, I. I don't know. I don't know what they believe all the way. Where you can get by on plagiarism, like, that far. Yeah, you gonna need to make some stuff.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. I mean, I think the thing. The idea of what it is, is, like, this is all human data that exists on the Internet, centralized in one place, and it's regurgitating it back out to you. So, like, honestly, at the volume that you produce, there would be a very apparent plagiarism that you were operating off of.

[Justin Scott]

It would have been.

[Deontay Kyle]

It would have been done a long time. It would have been done a long time ago.

[Justin Scott]

Yes.

[Deontay Kyle]

But what I've noticed is that I think that you're very clear on how you see things, even from, like, talking to you, you know, how to take, like, A small concept or just even a small idea and expand it into a concept. And I think it's informed through your idea of selfhood. And I think it's also informed just by, like, who you are naturally. This is just who you are. This is the way you see things, perceive things. And oftentimes, like, for somebody that has, like, such a strong stream of consciousness, you need a place to organize those thoughts. I use notes and just type my shit out, and you're using another to organize, so you have your talking points. But, I mean, it's all within the same.

[Justin Scott]

I mean, the reality is that I just believe that that work must be done in order for you to get somewhere.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

I think that must happen. Now, there were people who do the AI narrative literally went out and tried it, right? And I saw some attempts, like. Like, so. So. So this was the big right? Because the conversation wasn't all moving in a. Right. Like, the whole. It wasn't all, like, as whole as everybody would. Like. There were some people who heard that idea was like, oh, I could do the same thing. And I watched them, and then when I watched him, I was like, oh, yeah, that.

[Deontay Kyle]

That ain't it.

[Justin Scott]

You ain't working. There's a difference between using it and working. There's a difference. Like. Like, for me, I've been writing so long, I knew what writing was. I know what it is inside and out.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, right.

[Justin Scott]

But the idea that. That somebody else is just gonna learn how to write suddenly.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Through the music, I think that's hard to hear.

[Deontay Kyle]

You had to find a place of belonging with writing. Right, right. Like, it had to become instrumental to your, like, everyday life. Even peace at times. Right? So how. How were you able to kind of carry that over from survival to.

[Justin Scott]

I.

[Deontay Kyle]

Would just say, passion.

[Justin Scott]

Okay, so main. Main thing was, is that, like, before, like, I was writing, like, movies and all this stuff, you know, trying to make it as a writer, for sure. Right. And then at some point, the instrument. Right, right. Trying to find the instrument. But at some point, it was during that little time period I started writing to myself, right? So I got, like, a huge packet of just things where I'm just sitting there. That's why a lot of my videos go, you, You. I'm talking to me a lot, right? Like, listening in. In those type of space. In that. In that type of space. I was definitely sitting there like, all right, we got to sit down with myself because we not doing good. We're not doing good right now. And we got to figure out reasons. It was a really tough time for me. It really was. But I had to sit there and kind of reckon with myself and understand that I was going to need to be a different person to live right. Like the, like the type of person I was like, you know, or the type of ego I was standing in. It wasn't going to be enough to keep going. It wasn't. So I would say that was the big shift from, you know, fictionalized writing because I used to just do pure fiction into like, we're going to talk about this right now.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right?

[Justin Scott]

Because I needed to talk about this right now. Me, like, and. And a lot of folks, like, you know, they don't like the idea of being confronted in that way and they don't get the purpose behind it.

[Deontay Kyle]

It.

[Justin Scott]

So like, you know, I've seen when I will watch those people, like we was talking about, like, like, you know, they're operating for survival. They thinking like, oh, I'm just bag making all that stuff. I'm like, nah, nah, this is what my mirror looks like to me, right? So it looks like to me yours might look different. And I want to see how yours looks like, you know what I'm saying? I want to see how other people's reflections, perspectives look, all that. But I. I can't say that, you know, it's gonna be easily replicable like. Like in that way, like. Cause I was really. I was really just sitting there. Like, I have to find some way to deal with myself. Had to find some way. It was hard. Like, I'm like, it was my first time being unemployed and it was a whole year almost. Yeah, like, that was tough.

[Deontay Kyle]

So.

[Justin Scott]

But yeah, I definitely say that was like where the writing style, all that stuff converted from like just trying to survive with it to like, nah, I'm sitting here writing myself. Cause I need this letter.

[Deontay Kyle]

Oh, that makes a lot of sense though. Yeah. So it's out of a place, survival and more of a. It's a labor of love almost. You know what I mean?

[Justin Scott]

You gotta be honest with yourself. You do. And for me, like, you know, writing was the place where I would be honest to all these characters. But rarely could I ever just talk to me. And I was able to finally, you know, reach myself in that way. And I was making changes and things was changing. I was like, wow, no, that missed something, right? But then this is like why I was talking about with self trust. I had to trust that what I was saying mattered. Even if I wasn't like, like, like already big.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right, Right.

[Justin Scott]

Like, so. So that was one of those things. Why. Why I even started posting at all? Because I was like, okay, I'm writing this thing. Girls then at the time was like. Was like, oh, this is really good. Like, this is really big. Like, you should really talk about this. I'm like, I get that. But I'm just. I'm just dealing with me right now, you know? So I was coming up with, you know, with ways to get through my own life. You know, it wasn't for everybody. But then I was like, you know what? I'll just say something because maybe somebody would get an inclination.

[Deontay Kyle]

Oh, man. And did they?

[Justin Scott]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

You are like, I've seen this thing happen several times where you could tell somebody has gotten comfortable in the camera, in front of the camera, but then they just. They shit just started rocking. Like, yo, shit started taking over the timeline.

[Justin Scott]

See?

[Deontay Kyle]

And it really was a thing. But. But I think it's also about volume, too, is that I was like, man, this guy got a lot to say about a lot. And I think this. And I was locked in and interested because even before, when people was like, you should collab with this dude. Collab with this dude. And I'm like, I don't know who he is. And so then when I started watching some of your stuff, it was like, after that, after I followed you. Yes. Shit started booming on my page, and I was like, okay. I really like what dude's saying because even when we did our live together, that shit went crazy. You know what I mean? It went crazy. But much like you, I've had some spots in this life where I just show, like, I don't know if I want to be here no more. For real, for me. And for me, it was music. You know what I mean? Music kind of helped me navigate that space where it was, like, nostalgic, but also just like, I need something to, like, take my mind away from what it is I'm feeling or something that can like, translate what I'm feeling. And oftentimes, like, writing for me is more. So it does get into a storytelling mode. You know what I mean? So. But music for me is, like, nostalgic and very, like, calming. It's always had that, like, effect. I mean, I could listen to music literally all day, and I've been like this since a kid. Like, that was my way of escaping. Sometimes even the household. Like, you know, my parents. My parents would be into it, and the tension would stick in the house. And, like, music would just help me drown out that Tension and deal with, like, whatever. Whatever's happening on the other side of this door. Really don't matter right now. Cause I'm in here. I got my CD player, I got my video game. I'm good to go. And I think we always return to our childhood, especially in spaces where we need to not only escape, but just push through.

[Justin Scott]

Well, and one of those things I'd be trying to tell people is that most people think that who they are is the sliver of life that they currently. Currently living right now. I'm like, no, your nervous system has never thrown away a single part of itself. Your nervous system. The part. The nervous system for five from six. From 11.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yes.

[Justin Scott]

So. So when people go like, oh, but I'm. I'm this age now. Your body literally still got it all. Yeah, Right. Everything.

[Deontay Kyle]

And your mind, you know what I mean? Like, those deep recesses of your mind is packed of, like, you know, when they talk about, you know, like, subconsciously hypnotizing or training people to accept things is because like anything, any information our mind takes in, it retains. So everything we hear is information. Everything we see is information. Faces. You know, like they say you'll never see a face in a dream that you haven't seen in real life, even if it's passing by a stranger. Like, this is the biggest supercomputer known to man. Is our brain.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

And it's something that they're constantly trying to replicate. But think about the amount of storage that it takes to, like, even attempt to replicate this. That they're putting up data centers everywhere. And that in our human mind. I wonder what the terabytes is on that shit.

[Justin Scott]

I mean, probably petabytes is probably absurd. Yeah, it's probably absurd.

[Deontay Kyle]

Petabytes is crazy.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

At a time like this, PETA might not be the one.

[Justin Scott]

Oh, nah, nah, nah. Not that way. You know, PETA with a T. T now. It's a T now.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Is that the largest unit of storage?

[Justin Scott]

Nah, it's just a really large one. Really large.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah. Because I'm telling you, Brad, like, you can't quantify the amount of, like, information that we retain. And it comes out in the oddest ways because oftentimes it just needs a trigger, which for me is just like, hitting a tab like, boom. Back to this. And like, the amount of effort that they put into replicating this thing. When it comes to things like, you know, AI. When it comes to things like data centers popping up, everything or even just trying to replicate it in everyday life and tasks it's like, it's not necessarily to assist the human, it's to compete with the human.

[Justin Scott]

Oh, this is the thing, I believe that systems as a whole are designed to replace human. They replace the human. Right. Like, because the one thing about, about people is that people require trust. Trust. Systems don't require trust.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, but people you have to do to get trust from a computer is click trust.

[Justin Scott]

Yep.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, it's not that easy with us.

[Justin Scott]

Right, but. But because it's not that easy. But also because we're not willing to do the work, right. To build trust amongst each other. Right. That's why the system continues to expand because we offload like, you know, basically like unworked trust right onto the, onto the system to try to handle for us. And even when we're talking about like, you know, they're trying to replace like, the human mind and stuff like that with, like, with machines and things like this, people don't understand that there is no beam that fires out of your eyes to see the world. Your brain is rendering the world.

[Deontay Kyle]

Absolutely everything. Everything.

[Justin Scott]

Everything. Right. All. Everything that you've ever seen came in contact through awareness. Right now. Now people will say, not a lot of people. Like, I've definitely gotten to some arguments with this. They would go like, oh, but this table is real. This table appeared in awareness too. Yeah, no awareness, no table for me. Yeah, like his days, real strict like that. But that's why, like, a lot of these, like models and simulations, people don't understand why they ask for like, facial and all this stuff, all these videos to change is because they are trying to render the world right. Like how we render the world the exact same thing. Yeah, right. And this is one of those things where people don't understand. There is no one place that we call world. Right. Let's say even in this room, right, where, where four people. There's four different worlds going on right now.

[Deontay Kyle]

Absolutely.

[Justin Scott]

It's not one, one, it's just four.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, right.

[Justin Scott]

Like, and if we wanted to coordinate, I have to respect the fact there were other worlds going on.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, but.

[Justin Scott]

But if I just wanted to pretend there was one consensus. No, no.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

No, not a thing.

[Deontay Kyle]

Well, because there's also like a. A lifetime of experiences that are just meeting here.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I mean? Through, through all of our experiences and emotional outputs and inputs and just like information gathered and information, like retained. I mean, it all comes into one place and we just have to accept that shit, you know what I mean? Like, we have to accept that that's the interaction, I think, thing that's interesting to me when we talk about, like, systems and things like that, especially now at the height of it. I would love to hear how you feel about the whole ICE situation going on in Minnesota, especially, like, you know, not so much of the racial component, but more so the systemic component of it. Because I think. I think we all have, like, a really good grip on what it is racially. I think, for me, the easiest part is to identify with the fact that they shot a white woman in the face.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

And then they shot a white man 10 times all over. Yeah. After he was unarmed.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

So they disarmed him and then shot him. And his last act was a heroic act of trying to save a woman from them. So there's definitely, like, a point to prove about his defiance that is in that moment. But I think the system, they're. They're talking about defunding it. And my take on it is, like, it's not about less funds and it's not about more training. It's about, like, Immigration and Customs Enforcement is killing American citizens. It's not in the job description at all.

[Justin Scott]

No, no, it's not.

[Deontay Kyle]

So it's rogue.

[Justin Scott]

Rogue.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's a rogue program that's actively, like, terrorizing our. Our citizens in our streets.

[Justin Scott]

Right. So the way. The way I think about it, at least, like, systemically, is that ICE kind of functions like a parasite. Right. But it's a parasite that got a lot of teeth on it.

[Deontay Kyle]

So.

[Justin Scott]

So ICE doesn't exist in the. Like. Okay, put it like this. ICE has always existed as a function. ICE has not always existed like this. Right, Right. Not like that. This. The way it exists right now is that anytime that it designates something, it gets an unlimited budget. Anytime it designates something, this is huge. Right. Because this doesn't work like an indiscriminate system. Right. Like, so it work. It works through narrative control and designation. So with Minnesota. Minnesota had. They've been trying to wind up a good hit for them for a minute. You saw Somalian propaganda, like, you know, break breakthrough. When we talk about the daycares, all.

[Deontay Kyle]

This stuff, and the ringleader of that ended up being a white woman.

[Justin Scott]

Oh, right, right, right. But, you know, but we'll never bring that up.

[Deontay Kyle]

But this narrative. Narrative. Narrative.

[Justin Scott]

The narrative is about. Is about the Somalians. Right, Right. And then. Then on top of that, they go for a fraud narrative on top of that. Right. Because it's a racial narrative and a fraud narrative. Right. So everybody talking about fraud isn't always talking about race. This is, this is all important in the stack.

[Deontay Kyle]

Which is also compounded by the idea of the. Of course, the stereotypical scammer is the Nigerian, but we equate it to African and then Somalian, we equate to pirates because of Captain Phillips. Like, that's literally one film has like, changed the des. Like the designation of those people for the average American.

[Justin Scott]

Oh, it really has. Right. Like now. And regardless of what they wanted to do, actually, that's what happened.

[Deontay Kyle]

They just wanted to tell the story about a heroic white man. And it was like, oh, Somalians is pirates. Right.

[Justin Scott]

And the reality of it is, is that they are attempting, in my opinion, I look at Minnesota like a prototype. Right, right. That. That they're attempting to. To operationally destabilize the whole area. Right. They're trying, they're just trying to prove that they can get away with almost anything and you couldn't do anything about it because the, because this type of system bank, like, actually banks on violence. Right. Now a lot of people, a lot of especially black folks, like, have been already feeling like, like, oh, like, you know, saying like, we're going to stay out of it and. But then they'll go, like, they'll see real violence take place and go, okay, we need violence. Right. It forces you into a binary of violence and nonviolence violence. We gotta go faster. How can we incapacitate this type of system? Sometimes that requires violence. True. But that's not always the case. Right. Right. Now this system runs on. On legitimacy. Right. It needs legitimacy to go anywhere. So for Venezuela, required legitimacy first right through the storytelling. Got the story hot went in. Right. Minnesota got the story hot went in. We always lose in the story pretty much. We never get them to explain themselves.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

Like, and now people will go like, oh, but they'll never explain themselves. Now here's the important thing to have. If we ever achieve a consensus between us. See, remember I told you consistent doesn't exist. If we ever achieve a narrative consistence between us that this is what this looks like. That's. I mean, that's actual warfare. Like, it's like when you say ICE killed an unarmed citizen. That's okay. That's. That's the right chunk. Right. Gotta get the rest of pieces on the board. ICE is also killing white US Citizens, not Somalis. That narrative already radioactive. Right. Right. They need white people to get back in line because they acting a little too, too out there right now. Right. Like, stuff like that. They know what they want to have recorded. They know what they want to have. We didn't get no footage from the Boston. Not Boston, from Chicago. When they went up in that apartment building, bust out the apartment, got everybody outside and split them by race. We didn't get no footage from that. Right. But. But ICE has their own cameraman, so they wanted this to be seen enough. Right. Like, even though they, like, people will say, oh, they have compromising narratives right there. They want you to believe this. And they saying, this manga's not reading none of that. You're reading all of that because they want you to spend more time on confusion. That's it. Right. Instead of just saying, I saw what I saw. Right, you did. You really did.

[Deontay Kyle]

And. And.

[Justin Scott]

And that type of questioning is hard, but we need more force, visibility, like, forced people just saying what happened. And a lot of times we're running into a strange situation, too. I saw online where, like, they will have, like, a white person get the. Get taken by ice, like, 75 days and then record them saying, I would love to come back here. Strange. Right. Strange talk. But it's the normalization they're going for. Right? The narrative. Like, the narrative normalization. Right. This is not normal. It's not normal for this to go on. It will never be normal. Right. And. And that's something hard. That's something hard for people to get their head around because they want to create a sense of normalcy. No. Nothing about the way we run our government ever works normally.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right, Right.

[Justin Scott]

Okay. Just. Just to give people how bad it is. Because sometimes when we talk about ice, they think we're only talking about moral. The FBI literally refused to cooperate with the state on the investigation when they. Good.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Just say no.

[Deontay Kyle]

So that. So that even if that is at the highest level, controlling the narrative.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

Like, we're not even gonna give y' all the satisfaction.

[Justin Scott]

They didn't even share information. Yeah. People thinking that information in the federal work. Sharing information. No, no, that was actually sheer. A sheer schism about that. And that's why they went from Minnesota so hard, because it's one of the first clear cases where they clearly did something wrong and then didn't even bother. Didn't even bother sharing with the state.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

At all.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's a power move, too.

[Justin Scott]

Right. Very aggressive. Different. Very different stance. Because what this indicates is that the state can do something and we can hope for federal review.

[Deontay Kyle]

That's crazy.

[Justin Scott]

Right. Okay. That. That's way different than normal. Right. And in this type of situation, and I'm still working on it though, we do need a type of system that one is able to respond to the propaganda environment without saying, don't fall for propaganda. Participate. We need to participate at this point.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, we will lose.

[Justin Scott]

This is one of those things where I, I always think about like AM radio with like Rush Lampard and stuff like that. Like people didn't go AM radio thought it was lame. He went on there, ranked millions up.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, right.

[Justin Scott]

I mean people, people.

[Deontay Kyle]

Because he found a place for his narrative.

[Justin Scott]

Right?

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. And, and the, the funnier, the. Well, not funny, but one of the most eye opening things that I've seen first. I first saw 19 Keys talking about narrative warfare. And I can deduce what that is just from those two words. Like I'm, I'm smart enough to understand exactly what he's talking about. But then FD signifier had made a video about the cultural war world. And basically what Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA was about creating cultural warfare, which is in the, the cultures is what puts forth the narrative. Right. So the, the argument that a grown man is having with a literal child, a young adult in college, of course he's going to come from a different perspective, a more established talking base. His points are gonna be concrete because it's rehearsed and these children are basically moving off of like new information and emotion. And so of course like in a debate style, he's gonna kill that every time. But like you said, they got their own cameraman, right. So they're gonna chop it up anyway any way they want, you know, to create the narrative and enforce the cultural warfare that they seeking to achieve. And then when we think about it from the same perspective, is that even, even with the situation with Renee, good, we got the body cam footage of her murder.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I'm saying? Now with this dude with Alex Preddy, our parenti is a lot of civilians, different camera angles from civilians recording this. Maybe not the thing that they wanted to get out, you know what I mean, in that space. But also social media moves very fast. So by the time it gets posted instantly it's being replicated. Replicated, replicated. And it's being dubbed where, you know, it might not live on this page anymore, but it lives on this page. And by the time it's on that page, it lives on this page to the point where it's like all of the news in Minnesota is spreading like wildfire. Right.

[Justin Scott]

For real.

[Deontay Kyle]

So we have a lot of independent narratives going on and then we have a systemic narrative going on. So when We. We talk systemic narrative. The dude. Gregory. Gregory. Let me find his name. Gregory something is Gregory Bervino, who is the chief officer of ice, and also Kristi Noam. They're all. They're both spreading this narrative from the system of don't believe what you saw.

[Justin Scott]

Right, right.

[Deontay Kyle]

You see what I'm saying?

[Justin Scott]

With them. With them, I always work like this. What were their incentives? How did we organize incentives to get them to talk like that? Yeah, that's what I want to know. Because they always go on the side where they're like. Where they're like, oh, like, they said this. This person said this, and they think they're constructing almost like a villain list. Right. Like a list of villains. No, get a list of incentives together, because the incentives always outlast everything. Right. I always say, like, you can vote out of president. You can't outvote a pipeline. Yeah, right. Like the pipeline that caused crazy no one to get incentivized like that. That's something we need to look into.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Because whether she's there or not, somebody live on. Yeah, somebody will talk like that. So when you're in a position, there's a George Orwell quote about this. I'm not 100% sure, like, verbatim about what the quote is, but to paraphrase, it's basically like their final request will be, don't believe what your eyes see and what your ears hear. Like, just ain't a gist. It's like once the state gets you to the point where it's like, no, I'm gonna tell you what happened.

[Justin Scott]

Right?

[Deontay Kyle]

Fuck what you saw, fuck what you heard. This is what happened. And when you start going along with that narrative, you're completely cooked. Like, you are an agent of the state at this point, even if you're a citizen.

[Justin Scott]

See, but this is actually one of the ultimate weapons of democracy at all, right? Democracy normalizes narrative warfare. Now, now, now, this is the thing where we talking earlier. We saw, like, democracy, oligarchy, all these structures, right? Like, democracy normalizes narrative warfare.

[Deontay Kyle]

It has to. For the voting system.

[Justin Scott]

Right, for the voting system. And it sounds great initially. See, but the thing is, is that if democracy is created, but it is not created in a format that allows itself to continue being free, it wasn't designed for reality. It was designed for power accumulation. So democracy as we currently understand it in America is designed for power accumulation. See, but a lot of people would say, like, oh, we're fighting for democracy. They would agree with you.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, they would agree.

[Justin Scott]

Because what you're arguing for is a lot different from what they hear.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Okay. Like. And this is the thing.

[Deontay Kyle]

And their idea of democracy is, like you said, an accumulation of power.

[Justin Scott]

That's it.

[Deontay Kyle]

I, by textbook definition, look at it as oligarchy because it's a mass population governed by very few. Right, Right. So when you can influence voting with money and things like that, well, you can get into lobbying. When you can get into things like the NRA will speak up when a bunch of kids die in a school to defend their gun rights, but they also lobby for the Second Amendment, which oftentimes is why you'll never see any gun rights repealed. And they can influence those things, then we're kind of edging out of democracy as it is textbook definition. But it is their democracy in the sense of an accumulation of power. Because the NRA is extremely quiet when all these census gun deaths are going on by federal agents, or in supposed federal agents at that. Like, did you notice that at first when they was on the street, they had ICE on there? And now it says police, but they're not police.

[Justin Scott]

They're not police, though.

[Deontay Kyle]

But the. But the optics of that, the thing that that does to a program mind is like, it makes them untouchable.

[Justin Scott]

Right?

[Deontay Kyle]

Because if it just says ice, somebody gets their head knocked off.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

But when it says police, we start thinking about all the consequences and our programming around what police are, where police are untouchable.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

It takes a very. Not only courageous person, but somebody that is, like, completely out of. Out of touch with conformity. Like, fuck that system and everything it stands for. I don't care if they're the cops. You know, this is about my freedom and, you know, my ability to move and feel free. Right? And I don't feel free if I'm surrounded by people that are asking me for my ID and shit like that. And, like, I don't. Like. I'm not buying liquor, nigga. I'm just walking down the street.

[Justin Scott]

And once we get to that, people don't understand how close that is to Rwanda. See, like. Like, I. I have.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, that's. That can get nasty. Go ahead.

[Justin Scott]

See, always. Always talk. Always talk about Rwanda. Because it's important to understand the context of how they got there, right? Cause they. They always. People. People always talk about, like, these big incidents and stuff like that, these chapters, tragedies, and they'll go, well, it was tragic, and here's what happened. How did they got there? How did they get there? And what. You know, how can we prevent that? Because I don't want to be a part of that. But see, one of the main ways they got there was by taking over the narrative, the radio, right? Okay. They blew the president out the sky, right? President is dead. But the radio was saying, kill roaches. Right? Because. Because they got the narrative all together, and people already. Mentally, right. They already knew what they was talking about. So you get an incident that. All of that should just be political now, having neighbors killing neighbors in the street. The street. But the. One of the main things about that genocide, what makes it last so long, is the checkpoint system, right? The checkpoint system pre. Predated the start of the incident, right? But it was how they got to filter everybody, right? Like, and then everybody was in churches hiding out, stuff like that, right? You'll see stuff like that. But see, it's important to catch some of the changes between then and now, right? The churches now are on the system side, okay? They are. So that whole, like, oh, I won't give up a person. You know, church is a safe spot that's gone. Right? Right. I mean, we literally saw one of the ICE people was a pastor live, right? His church did protest to that. So. So people need to.

[Deontay Kyle]

And. And to. To piggyback off that. Don Lemon, being a journalist and doing what a journalist does and calling him to question, is now criticized for interrupting that church service. What the are we talking about?

[Justin Scott]

See, See? But they don't understand. They don't understand how this builds up, right? Like. Like. And the thing is, you don't have to want a genocide. For a genocide to occur, you don't need to want one. You just need to line up incentive. Once you line up those incentives, they roll clean. It's the same thing with oil, right? Like. Like what oil? Like, say, with Venezuela. A lot of people think, like, Venezuela was an oil gambit, right? Venezuela was. Was a legitimacy gambit, right? Like. Like, oh, I'm legitimate. I'm stable. I have all the oil on the Western hemisphere now. Don't question me, right? That kind of talk, right? But one of the. One of the painful things about it, and this is also why they're going to struggle with this type of thing, is that power alignment or narrative alignment is so key to get stuff to happen that, like, people always miss out on that. They'll say, like, oh, the news is lying. No, you need to come up with the story today because they got one. They got one. It's prepped, it's hot. It's good, too. It's a nice one. They're gonna have your reporter say it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. And. And to. To that. I think that the people have to be substantiated in what they see. I think that there needs to be less argument about a false narrative and more doubling down on what the true narrative is for us. Because their, their narrative gains strength the more we try to refute it.

[Justin Scott]

Because they, they know that role. They know that role.

[Deontay Kyle]

They know like, like it's literally what they do.

[Justin Scott]

The system can withstand anger indefinitely. I'll be trying to tell people they can withstand anger indefinitely. People go like, oh, we're not angry enough. No, no. What they. I mean, you're also not trained enough. Right, Right, right, right. You're also not looking for how to operationally disable them. Right. You're not looking for those type of things. And they're aware of this because to them, they don't look at. They look at us like data points. Right. Like so. Like so this isn't. I'm not US citizen, Justin. I am black working class writer. Whatever categories are convened.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Whatever design.

[Deontay Kyle]

And this is an analytic.

[Justin Scott]

Right, Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what, what demographics do you fall into? Black lives in Midwest. How old are you?

[Justin Scott]

Right. 26.

[Deontay Kyle]

20. Oh, perfect.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

You're not even yet in the. You're not in the 27 to 35 yet. Right, right. Or. Or maybe they. I think it's 28 to 35. So like they section these things off for data points. Right. And like that analytic within itself is dehumanizing.

[Justin Scott]

Right, right. That's what I was talking about. Yeah, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

So. So as far as for your concern is. Is like how does the citizen and how do the community at large regain control of the narrative or enforce a new one?

[Justin Scott]

Right. I. I think, I think some of the thing. 1. And this is why I always come back to selfhood. Because you need a self to tell story first from you. Like otherwise you will just be a character in somebody else's life. And that's how most people exist. Most people are just characters in otherwise in everybody else's life. And it's hard and it's hard to get that pass. But it's really the lack of agency. Right. And people could tell when you don't got no narrative agency. You could tell what somebody just here gonna follow the plot. You can? Sure. You sure can. But the state sure can too. Right. That's one of those things that people. People be messing up on. Like if they know that you're just gonna react predictably. Everybody running the same direction when the gunshot go off well, well they know how to get y' all to go, right? Like, but most people need to reclaim their own agency. Like, and this is why I be trying to talk to people about like you're not going to feel freedom after the revolution. You felt freedom before the revolution which is what caused you to go, right? Like, like, and this is what I be meaning by, like, a lot of people be thinking about it like, like revolution is unchaining a will. No, revolution is refusing a will. Doesn't mean you have power. It means you have the ability to say no. No. Right? Like, but, but this is one of those things where like people don't understand that we live in the future of what revolution of revolutions. Right? So the system has already seen the revolution work and fail right now, now they had, now they get ahead of things. They make it so you can't say no before they even get there. So let's say Greenland, Greenland's a peak example of this, of how they, how they trying to move later. Right? Like they're trying to set Greenland up so they cannot say no ever again.

[Deontay Kyle]

Game.

[Justin Scott]

That's it. Right. Like you don't need to take over Greenland to do that. You just need to make sure water, energy, security and all of that just doesn't belong to them anymore.

[Deontay Kyle]

Damn.

[Justin Scott]

At that point not paying a bill is about is the country still standing? Not, not about is America standing right? Because America has all this stuff working just fine. But for those 50,000 people in Greenland, they getting treated like a small town in America and we lose about a small town's worth of black people every year to policy. They about to find out what this means. Right? Like, like, like it's unfortunate, but it's just, just you know.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah but they, but they've tested it and approved it here and we could take it abroad and maybe the cap is 75,000. So Greenland is perfect.

[Justin Scott]

Right? Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

Like we know this test works on groups from 50 to 75,000 people. And it's like oh yeah, well Greenland's perfect and it's right there and it's, and you know they honestly NATO, all of these different things are like systems and structures that they've agreed upon and, and in all man made agreements and treaties. But, but America is a treaty breaking ass country.

[Justin Scott]

I was about to say NATO was performative as far as America's inclusion. Like, like just, just performative. Like, like and people will go like, oh it's gonna cause World War three. And, and I still mean it. No one is coming to save Greenland. No one can. Who can do it. Right. Like, like, and, and people will go like, oh, but the EU's coming to save Greenland. NATO's coming to save Greenland. The moment that any of them make a play against the United States, the conversation is over. Over. Right. Like, and, and the main reason I say it like this is because we, like what you said, are treaty breaking. It's just the way our country works.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, right.

[Justin Scott]

But it works like that. To the extent that supporting Russia would not be hard for us. No, no. We would just switch, just switch off. I mean, like, and this is one of those things that's hard for people to get, though, because I'm like, I'm like, no, if Europe lost and America won because Europe lost, we would take the W. Matter of fact, that's historically happened already, right?

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we have the evidence.

[Justin Scott]

Right, right. So, you know, this is one of those things where, like, the illusion of white unification is just crumbling again.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, well, because, like, America in and of itself was American. Australia, I tell people all the time, it's like, incarnated by criminals.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah, yeah. And I, and here's the thing that's, that tried. It gets me all the time. I'm like, I'm like, they always talk like poor white people had a place in this world. World. I'll be poor. Poor white people were more meaningless to these type of systems than we were as slaves.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right. Because at least we added value.

[Justin Scott]

I don't know why they were there. It troubles me. It troubles me because I'm like, okay, so if you was landowning, you got to accumulate power through democracy. Right. And you get to get slaves because, you know, we were the builders. They were just, they were just the believers. They just believed.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, right. So they're the brokers.

[Justin Scott]

Right? They're the brokers.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

But we was building everything.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Okay. A poor white person couldn't get nothing built for him, so we here with nothing but hate.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, but they were tools.

[Justin Scott]

See, See, it is crazy, right? Because this is why I say, why were you here? Because you chose to be a tool.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. You know, I, I, I talk about this all the time, but the, the construct of whiteness is literally like if we share the same complexion and, you know, country of Oregon. So if we're all European, then we're all going to have this look to us and we all have this lineage, same type of hair, same type of skin, all these things. Right. But once you migrate to America, if you're not British and you are Irish, or you are Italian or you Polish, then you are seen as you're othered automatically. Even Jewish people othered automatically. And so everybody had to trade in their culture, their language, their customs to assimilate into whiteness. And this thing comes through policing. This thing has come through politicians, you know, like, we'll section you guys off a lot of times these were union people, things like that. But to give you power in this system, you have to do away with where you descend from and you have to substantiate yourself here, here. And a part of being here and a part of whiteness is othering black people. You step down on them. And so a lot of people took roles in order to step down on black people, even if they only had it this much better.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah, yeah. And this was one of the things I was even talking about, like, I was talking about historically, like with the. Why black people and Latinos have a fracture, right, between us. But it's really because our systems force us to police each other. Other. Yeah, literally. Like, like, I mean, I, I had a friend get a race, get. Not got arrested by a Latino cop. Right. And he's over there mad as hell. Right. He's pissed. But that was a racial fracture that never needed to happen. Right. Because he got, he. They got then police in our communities. That's really what's going on. Right. And then, and then when we work for police, they send us the police other communities. Right. But you'll never. But you'll never see an all black police force in a white neighborhood. Neighborhood. No, it don't matter how interested they are. Yeah. They could all want to be in the police and they not doing that. Okay. It's not going on, but they will, they will allow you to show up in, you know, in, in a Latin, in a Latino neighborhood. They allow all the Latino officers to show up in your neighborhood and everything go. Everything's supposed to just be okay.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Because it's about optical power. So like, for me, I think about this from a space of having authority. Right, Right. So when we talk about the authority of whiteness is automatically, it's the default setting. And its designation is the top black people. Our designation in this country is automatically at the bottom. So no matter how much money you have, the designation is at the bottom. So if, if I want to assimilate, then I need to assimilate in one or two directions. Nobody wants to assimilate down. Nobody wants to go down in power and optics. Right. So what happens in the infighting that happens especially with Latinos is not only do you have a history of being conquered through colonialism and imperialism, but you also have a history of anti blackness within your own culture that had to permeate it for the South American culture to be what it is.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

If you carry that over and you make these people make a decision of, well, which way do you want to go down? Like, do you want to go up or you want to go down? Then the goal is, okay, well, the only way, if I want to be a step closer, then I have to step on what's at the bottom. And that's the natural space that everybody takes. Even other black immigrants that come over here, is to step down on black Americans when they get here. Because the goal is to assimilate into the construct of whiteness.

[Justin Scott]

Right? And it's sad because all of them, all of us are dealing with exile. All of us. Right? Like, like, like. And the thing is, when we talk about, like, like, Latino folks, they deal with exile all the time, right? Like, they. They get rooted in somewhere, and they either their life is at threat or. Well, now it's both cases their life is at threat. Because I would have said deported before, but now both cases, their life is just at threat.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Regardless of where they land.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Right. Like, and. And this is kind of the same type of exile situation that we were facing within America itself of. Right. Like, so a lot of people have to go back to Africa conversation. But we could. We could just throw. We could just go ahead and even talk about this. The moment that all black people go back to Africa, it will be the most destabilized place all over again. Okay. It's the same thing. Because they wanted the ability to use us. Part of the reason why we even here, right? Like the. So if everybody went back, they would just be like, whoa, I'm not just gonna lose $13 trillion. Who told y' all y' all could do that? Yeah, let's just buy all that. That. Let's just make y' all a deal. Like, it's gonna go just like that. I always try to tell people Liberia is a black country right now in Africa, like, actually just black. Like, you know, founded by the United States for black folks. Are they up?

[Deontay Kyle]

Like, well, also, like, when we talk about the structure and when we talk about systems, it goes back to this idea of how they see us. When you think about just the word for profit, prison, it's crazy, which means that we need people in this prison. So then we have to, like, adjust what we view as a Crime and.

[Justin Scott]

Oh, just to make it work.

[Deontay Kyle]

Just to make it work. And also, like, what's a equitable punishment for these crimes? To make it work. Right. Which means that in order for this system to work, I literally have to lock people up. Yeah, yeah, right.

[Justin Scott]

This is the same issue that ICE is running into right now. And I'm calling it an issue because it truly creates problems. Like, like. Like they. They continuously build capacity, right, for prisons and all this stuff, containment, all that stuff that costs money. So they need to justify it with capture, you know? You know, and the thing is, I can replace the word prison with a plantation right now. Yeah, it'd be easy.

[Deontay Kyle]

It knows literally the same thing.

[Justin Scott]

It'd be easy.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know, the outfits are different, but the labor is still free labor.

[Justin Scott]

Still free.

[Deontay Kyle]

The system and structure are almost as if designed to. I. I hate to, like, make it animalistic, but it just is what it is. It's like they're farming your labor. So the only reason that you get three hots in a car is because you're cattle.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

Like, I have to feed my workforce.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's literally all it is. It's like systemic, structural feed. Feed these people so they can work, work, have somewhere, have quarters for them to sleep in because they need to work. Like, we need their work. And there's no better labor to America than free labor. It is literally like the basis of what this thing is founded on.

[Justin Scott]

Bread and butter scenario.

[Deontay Kyle]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Bread and butter. Like. Like. And it. It is an idea of what to return to. So, which is why they talk about, like, AI and the aspect of it being like a slavery fetish. Like, I just need to control somebody and tell them what to do.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

And a lot of people see that with robots and things like that. But I want to go back to something that you said earlier about how this system can withstand anger. What are some other aspects of that that you feel like you can expound on, like, about the things that the system can withstand so we can stop wasting our time on it.

[Justin Scott]

Okay, so anger, top one for sure. Show because it not. Not a thing. Okay. System can also withstand commentary for the most part, Indefinitely. For the most part. Right. Any commentator that would threaten the system, it would have already threatened it. Right. At least once. Right. Like, and, and what I mean by this is that, you know, being impacted by censorship, whatever, you would have been threatened at least once. They would. They would have already got in touch with you somewhere. Right. But the idea that a comment section is going to do anything for Somebody. Oh, I know a lot of common heroes. I know a lot of them. That ain't gonna happen.

[Deontay Kyle]

That ain't gonna happen.

[Justin Scott]

So, so I would say the system can withstand the First Amendment indefinitely. Okay. Like, like the first amendment is not self threatening to the system. That's not enough.

[Deontay Kyle]

Now what about when it comes to like press? See, and, and also I was gonna ask you this. There's a two part question. Can it withstand press? And do you feel like independent journalists in America need to show up in Minneapolis as press. As press as is described in wartime?

[Justin Scott]

Right. Right. See, I, I feel like it might be as, I feel like it might be as serious as this. I'm not, I'm not even, you know, I want to be, I want to be able to have the room to flinch at it, but I don't.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

I really do think it's like that. And because when we think about what it means, what press currently means to the system, system press means can be bought. Right. To the system. Right now. Can be bought pretty much. They was already talking about making CBS more, more right wing. Right. Like so.

[Deontay Kyle]

But do you, but when I, when I, but when you say can be bought, do you mean they can buy? Buy. Buy in sense of control the narrative or buy in the sense of delegitimizing the narrative? Because we look at Fox News and it is labeled as entertainment news, we know that it is a system of propaganda. Like this is something that anybody who is not a part of this cult understands. This is a propaganda, State propaganda. This is state propaganda.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

So like there's no reason to watch it. Right, Right. But what I'm speaking to is more independent media and I don't know what outlet they would use. You know, I think that that's, that's.

[Justin Scott]

Where it just is.

[Deontay Kyle]

Social media is a shaky space to share that thing because it so easily can be removed. But I would like to see, you know, if, if ICE is dressed up for war, if agitators come dressed up for war, then press should be there as wartime press.

[Justin Scott]

See, I think that's just the reality we might be in right now.

[Deontay Kyle]

It is the. Yeah, to me.

[Justin Scott]

Right. Because when I look at it, when you look at it right, just more flat, rally, you're there as press. Right. They see you recording, you'll probably be shot. I don't, I'm trying, I'm just trying to be honest with someone. You'd likely be shot. Right. I'm just, just saying what it is. So, so you, we, we probably do need more like not even probably do need. We do need people to be willing to be honest in a way that narratives are not willing to be. So always look at the current news not necessarily as a marker of truth, but as a marker of what's allowed to be said. Because what we look at is. Is what we hear from news. Like abc. All that stuff is corporatized press. Corporatized press would never harm itself because they need ad revenue to show up right there for your dead body, right next to your dead body. They're gonna put ad revenue. Right. This is one of those. Like it. What? They need it though, because if they ever were super honest, it would scare off the same ads that they would the same corporations they rely on. Right. Scare off their shot, their stockholders, all that stuff. So always look at the type of thing about. Okay, this is what we're willing to set. That's all we're willing to say. That cool, right? Like what we need to go fat way farther than that traditional narrative. Because the news ain't never free nobody. Right? Never. Never. News reported our freedom though.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

And framed it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Now. Now the reason why I asked this is because I think about a space.

[Justin Scott]

Of.

[Deontay Kyle]

The mother of Emmett Till utilizing media to show the brutality of the south or just racism in general.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right. Which galvanized civil rights movement and galvanized a lot of different movies across America to activate black Americans and fight and to fight for their freedoms. Right. To say, even if this does happen again, we not gonna take it lightly. And also, like, the goal is this never happens again.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

So the utilization of media in that space actually created movements that created some gestures of freedom for black Americans. Even if we still have to deal with all the system and state bullshit.

[Justin Scott]

Right. I would say that that works. We need to prepare for the opposite to happen immediately to that which is. Which is mass slander. Right. Like so you not gonna get a clean shot at a narrative no more. That's gone.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

The idea that you get a clean shot at a narrative. We do. We literally need that post. Right. Displaying the visibility. Right. Force visibility. But also the other side. Right. The other side of it. Which is more like. Like, I mean, you could even say, like, okay, this is the type of counter narratives we're dealing with right now. Right. Having a real conversation about the narrative landscape.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Right. Like. Like just. Just the actual environment. You know what I'm saying?

[Deontay Kyle]

Like so not. So not necessarily dispelling lies, but listing lies.

[Justin Scott]

Right. This is the illusion. Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. This is what happened. This is what they're gonna tell you happened right? When they, when you hear this, don't pay it any attention. Stay focused on what happened. Like Alex, what's his last name? I think it was like pretty Alex. Alex Preddy was disarmed and then shot 10 times. He was a US citizen. He was operating well within his rights, using his freedom of speech, his freedom to record, utilizing his right to bear arms. He was disarmed. He was. They. They basically took away his device that was an extension of his freedom to record, jumped him and then shot him and murdered him and shot him 10 times. That's the narrative. That's it. Anything else they tell you we have to ignore and we have to like stay steeped in this narrative because they're gonna make. They're gonna utilize their far reaching media to tell a lie.

[Justin Scott]

And we need mass discipline. It's hard to tell people it is, bro.

[Deontay Kyle]

We so desperately need it.

[Justin Scott]

Oh my God.

[Deontay Kyle]

Like, bro, we need. What we need more than anything is for niggas to lock in. Like, stop. What if ism. Stop. What about ism? Take a thing as a thing and, and run with it. That's where the discipline part comes in. It's like niggas get in the comments and start getting way off topic. I need you to stay on topic. I need you to stay out of the future and utilize the past so that you could be effective in the present.

[Justin Scott]

Right?

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

Like you could use the future in the past as a tool. But what I always try to tell people is that you have never left now once. Never, never. You will never leave now.

[Deontay Kyle]

Only in your mind.

[Justin Scott]

Right? You will never leave now. Actually, even in your mind. It had to render right now to even get visible. So that was all that exists is. Right. And, but they, but a lot of people, they really do. They really will sit an idea like where the ideas about the future are ways to pacify modern grief. Right. But grieve, right? Like this is something I've asked of white people too, on my page. Like literally grieve. Like, I want to see you cry over land that isn't yours. Until you could do that, I don't know what part of history you want, right? Because right now a white person to cry over their land right now. Well, their land, right. Like, but, but a lot of times they don't, they don't want to rest in the actual narrative of the, you know, of what they did. So, so they live in this, in this farcicality, right? And it's in this illusion, but it's the nature of these illusions that I feel like, need to be like. Like literally displayed. Like. Like actually just put out there, like, this is this, this is this, like, you know, just that kind of thing. Because they. Using all these narratives, all this language, you. I mean, everybody working, right? Let's start like that. Everybody exhausted, everybody's working. So you hear one narrative, most people literally don't have enough time to actually prove that anything. Right. Like, they're too tired for that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

This is why. This is why when I even sit there and like, in, you know, we're talking about something, I'll. I'll be sitting here like, okay. The narrative is exploiting its own tiredness that it's creating, right. To. In order to stay relevant with itself. So, like, let's say, for instance, me and you drop a video. We drop a video file, swipes down, the narrative has come back, right?

[Deontay Kyle]

The.

[Justin Scott]

The old narrative that we were just talking about, the special telling in that. In that situation, a person might think, oh, like, this is just displaying to me. Let me go see what they were talking about. They need to leave the old narrative behind. It is that bad, right? Like, so let's say, for instance, like, when the State department puts out like a storyline, like, you could say what the storyline is, state the illusion, but the talk is done. Like, but too many people are like, on the. On the emotional side, the opinion side.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Of.

[Justin Scott]

Of an illusion. If it's fraudulent, it's fraudulent.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. I experienced this a lot when it comes to just black studies or just black people coming out of the spell of what's been sold to them. We're taught an idea of what we're supposed to think about ourselves, what our designation is, what the narrative is. All of those of us who break out of this narrative do so with pattern recognition, literature and a stronger sense of self.

[Justin Scott]

That's it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Like, Literally, literature and sense of self will free you from this. Then you go back and you go through your. Your historical fact, your historical experience here, and it will free you from it. And as we're freeing ourselves at that narrative, there's also somebody that is enforcibly pushing the narrative on this side that looks just like us. So then they're coming out of that, but they're here, right? And we're here, right? So you talking about shit we already dealt with way back here, and we trying to catch you up here. And it's like. It's just an infinite loop of like, spell breaking, basically. That's all it is. It's like this infinite loop of spellbreaking which the person who's broken the spell is frustrated because the spell is still on you. Right, Right. Even if you breaking it, you're in the midst of breaking it. So not only you questioning the people who've broken the spell, but you don't even recognize it as a spell to begin with. And it just creates a loop of like, like infighting amongst one another when like the goal is quite literally the same.

[Justin Scott]

Right, right.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I mean?

[Justin Scott]

And this is what I, I end up calling it, like, you know, just, just what I'm studying. Like closed loop blackness. This is, it's a real thing. Right. It's, it's a. But it's a type of unreceptive blackness.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yes.

[Justin Scott]

Right. So. So you, like, you ever meet an old head that just can't learn? Okay, there is an example of that. Right. He's unreceptive and he's locked into this closed loop of spell breaking. Breaking. He thinks that that's the best he could do. He thinks that he's gone through things. He thinks he's doing all this, but he doesn't understand. And it's one of the things I was talking about. Maturity requires you to be able to face reality and change.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yes.

[Justin Scott]

Right. Growth. Right. Moving forward. But a lot of old folks, they only come out of life with a fear. Growth. Right. That's all they come out of life with. So by the time that, by the time they're sitting there fearful of growing, now they're, now they're rigid. Right. Locked into the same spell breaking loop that they've been in for 80 years, however long they've been. Love. Right. And black society doesn't move, just circulates. Right? No, no, because no one, no one's actually taking the cost to grow. No consequence. Right. Like, and too many people trying to live lives with no friction. Right. Like, like. Because sometimes growth causes you to run into friction with people.

[Deontay Kyle]

Absolutely.

[Justin Scott]

It happens. But you got to accept that and not compromise on yourself. That's integrity. Right. Integrity is when you acknowledge growth for what it is. Growth. Right. But not growth as says. Ah, my bad. I got in your way. I got your way. Let me just, let me just ungrow for you.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. I think there's a lot of contradictory narrative out there, even in our space where we, we yearn for community, but we, we simultaneously understand that the system doesn't incentivize community and incentivize individual success and symbolic, symbolic victories. So the yearning for community means that you have to completely disengage with the system. Right. And it may not even be in your practices. Right. Like if you engage with capitalism, you, you gain the capital.

[Justin Scott]

You do.

[Deontay Kyle]

But how do you choose to like disperse the capital? Do you choose to be socialist with your capital? Do you choose to like create a system where the people who help you operate a system benefit from that? Or do you create a system of employment? Employment.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

Where people just, you just give people enough to stay.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

And so like, for me it's like in engaging with, in spaces where I have, I have enough cultural currency to charge for everything, so I still do things for free.

[Justin Scott]

See.

[Deontay Kyle]

You understand what I'm saying?

[Justin Scott]

Well, here's the thing. Engaging matters here though.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Because this will be meaning by friction. Because engagement makes friction. It does, Right. Everybody ain't gonna like how you engage.

[Deontay Kyle]

Exactly.

[Justin Scott]

Everybody ain't gonna like. But it is about staying and showing up.

[Deontay Kyle]

But I'm willing. That's the difference. And so like I'm willing, you know, I don't, I don't need, I don't need to be incentivized to show up for my people. Right, right. If, if there is an incentive or monetary value attached to it, that's good for me on the individual level.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

How do I, how do I give that back to the collective? Which means that you have to completely disengage from like, like what the goal or, or the system tells you. The goal is like the goal for most Americans on a monetary level, for whatever reason is that seven figure mark, like working class college academic space is a six figure mark. Creative space is a seven figure mark. And so we also deal with people who have never achieved like five figures.

[Justin Scott]

Right, Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

So now we automatically jump into like these unachievable heights. Right. Which keeps you kind of on that hamster reel. Right. Because you've never heard a person that has any like cultural currency talk about having enough.

[Justin Scott]

See, see? And let's actually act like you can give that, you can get that number. All you will achieve by the end of that seven figures is a compliance agreement. You won't be living fully. No, no. It's a bunch of rich folks ain't.

[Deontay Kyle]

Living fully because you're gonna be, you're gonna be a part of that. Like the only way to maintain it is to engage. Also like to insert yourself fully into this system.

[Justin Scott]

We converted you into infrastructure to allow you to get this number.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Because now, because now regardless of who you are, there is no person that is earning seven figures and not paying Others, Right, Right. So now you are a business, you are an infrastructure, and other people are reliant on your labor to live their lives. Which means that now the idea of stopping ain't even just about you no more.

[Justin Scott]

No.

[Deontay Kyle]

Well, I can't stop because this person depends on me or that person depends on me, or if I stop, stop, you know, this amount of money will stop coming in and I use that amount of money to go and pay for this, this and that. You know what I mean? Like, you get attached to so many things, and not only like things, but people.

[Justin Scott]

Right, Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

And I think from, for me more than anything is like, when we talk about community, we already, you know, live in the WEB Du Bois double consciousness at all times. We already live there. So then we need to, we also have to adopt a double designation, which is like, if I'm going to engage in capitalism, because first of all, this anarchist mindset that people have is not rooted in reality. It's rooted in something fanticle. But if we want to deal with the idea of community, then we have to disengage from everything that is the polar opposite of community.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

In this system. Right. Like. Like you really don't have no choice if you live in America, but to engage in capitalism.

[Justin Scott]

Right? Right. And, and even to give you just an easy example, rage rooms, Rage rooms are literally you converting your emotions into a transaction. You will walk out of a rage room with more cortisol than you had in there. Right. Just because no work was done, no processing was done in the room.

[Deontay Kyle]

No, you actually paid to break.

[Justin Scott]

You actually paid to break and then walked out more stressed.

[Deontay Kyle]

And also, too, too, the optic is the selling point. I'm watching people break. They gotta feel great. But you could literally go break for free.

[Justin Scott]

Well, and then the assumption, oh, there's.

[Deontay Kyle]

Enough abandoned houses in America.

[Justin Scott]

Well, they assume that breaking something means relief. Yeah, Right, Right. But that's not true. Right. That's not true at all. Right. Breaking something actually comes from the inability to change your environment. Right. That's the only reason why somebody breaks things when they get mad. Because anger is supposed to give you clear.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Justin Scott]

It's supposed to give you clarity. But anger, when it's not allowed to cause any change, Right, Right. It chokes you up. Now you're dying right now. Now you gotta break something just to hope that change happens. Right? Like, and the nervous system is just revolting because it wasn't allowed to, to do, to process, metabolize any of that. So most of the time, like, I Always think about like this. If you were mad at your manager and you went to a rage room, you ain't getting no promotion still. You ain't getting no raise, you ain't getting no raise still.

[Deontay Kyle]

And you still gonna be mad at them tomorrow.

[Justin Scott]

Drive home, cost the same. Matter of fact, you got less money in your pocket. Okay, I'm just. I'm just saying that's his top example of. Of. No, you're supposed to allow rage to give you clarity and not allow rage to give you a transaction.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right, right, right.

[Justin Scott]

Like, but. But they market rage rooms like this to women in particular. This is an interest, is a fun catch to. To even see. Okay? Me, angry man is one of the most feared men alive. Right? Okay. But they get women to go into this place to imply that all women's anger is something to be contained. Right? Like, man, he can have the house to be angry. Right? He could have. Like, what you said. There's stuff to break around. A woman has to go commercialize her anger. Anger has to have a place. Right? Like, and this type of thing, and this is why rage rooms get promoted to women and all. I mean, young folks all the time, is because it's easy. It's easy to dysregulate somebody or to wreck. To commercially regulate somebody who didn't have a place to belong in the first place. The first place.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. And y'. All. And your rage and anger has no room in this system.

[Justin Scott]

Right, Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

But we've created somewhere, a room for you, a literal room, a little room for you.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Because we don't have any space for you, literally, in the scape and landscape of this thing, but we can, like, give you a little room to break in.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

And the thing is, the idea of a rage room is crazy because it's literally like, I'm gonna rent out of space, and I'm gonna put a bunch of junk in there that you can break. Right? And like. Like, when I talk about, like, this double designation, this is still something that I'm like. Like, working on, like, in my. In my mind and, like, in some of my writing is that if you understand that, like, this system doesn't incentivize community, but you yearn for something, like, intrinsically, then, like, how do you engage with it? It. With. Without carrying the individual into it. That's just like, expats, like, people who like to move abroad, but they take America with them. You know what I mean? So you're not even fully engaging into the system or the culture of where you just moved. You're just trying to recreate America in this space, in this new spot.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah, for you.

[Deontay Kyle]

Not for America. You don't want America for the people that establish America. You want this piece of America for you right here. And then we fuck shit up everywhere we go. Like, you know what I'm saying? Because to leave somewhere, to leave somewhere means you have to leave everything with it.

[Justin Scott]

Right?

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I'm saying? Even your idea of self, you have to leave America in America and just take your physical body to this next place and allow this new place to pour into you, to create whatever the fluidity is that you have to have to exist in this space.

[Justin Scott]

See? And it was crazy. Crazy. The exact, like, line of mistakes that you're talking about right now is exactly how Israel was founded. Okay? They took all of those. All the European Jews out of where they were and gave them a little spot, okay? And you know what they took with them? European capitalism.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

It does not make sense for them to be the way. They're capitalists. No.

[Deontay Kyle]

And. And also, too, these people that would complain of. Well, you know, not complain. I mean, rightfully so. You should feel victimized by your history in Germany and the. The, you know, the Third Reich and all these different things, right? Like, you can claim victim to those things because those things actually did create victims out of you and did murder you by the million. Right? But the thing is, is that you cannot take that and then X amount of years later do that to people.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah. It makes it worse.

[Deontay Kyle]

So you took. You took the same victimization that was done to you, the same genocide that was done to you, and just took it somewhere else and did it to other people and then figured out how to justify it, which is odd. Justifying it through religion, by birthright, you know, you know, divinity. I'm gonna use God as a buffer for me to kill these people and say that I have right to their land.

[Justin Scott]

See, and one of the things I think is super interesting. Interesting it. Like, and I. And I tell Christians this, and they get super shocked, and I'm like, paul would have been killed in the Holocaust. And they're like, paul? I'm like, yes, Paul, a Roman Jew. Paul would have got shipped to Israel afterward. Right. I'm just. I'm just saying what's going on, right. A lot. There's a. There's a deep cultural tension between European Jews and Levant Jews. It is a deep tension there. Right? Like. Or. Or we could say, like, anybody who lives in the Levant General right now, whole Little region. Right. Like, there. There's a huge tension there in the reality of, like, they, like, it's almost like they believe that the Roman dream of Israel, what is. Is what Israel should have been and not what it was in real life. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and this type of. This type of situation, like, people always talk about, like, oh, like, naka was really bad. I feel like Nagba is bad because you have so many examples, right, clearly of. Of displacement not being a good solution, murder not being a good solution, genocide not being a good solution. And guess what? We end up again right here.

[Deontay Kyle]

Hey, man, look, bro, you know, we could do this for literal hours. Is it anything that you want to plug to people or anything like that before we get up out of here? You got your substack and your other stuff.

[Justin Scott]

Oh, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Where people can find you.

[Justin Scott]

Oh, you can find me on substack, on Tik Tok Tock, Instagram, you know, type. Type.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know? Yeah. What is your handle?

[Justin Scott]

This dot cipher.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Or. Or cipher J. That type of deal. Yeah, but. Yeah, yeah, it's just that. It's just that type of stuff. I would say that. And. And yeah. And also understanding the fact that your anger means nothing to these people.

[Deontay Kyle]

Absolutely.

[Justin Scott]

Right. Your decision might mean something.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

But your anger, anger.

[Deontay Kyle]

And we need to let the emotion dictate a decision.

[Justin Scott]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

And not dictate a post or a comment, but, like, actual organized movement.

[Justin Scott]

Because I don't post without new insight.

[Deontay Kyle]

If I've got new insight also, bruh. Thank you.

[Justin Scott]

Without new insight. I'm not talking about you.

[Deontay Kyle]

Thank you. If I'm just gonna make a post and regurgitate. All right, we're gonna do, like, 15 more minutes. If I could just make a post and regurgitate the same talking points that y' all have. I'm doing y' all no service.

[Justin Scott]

I'm not doing. I literally refuse. Right? Like, and people will go, like, why you not talking about this incident? Why you not talking about this? I have nothing to say to y' all that's not already out there.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's already been said. Like, what? You need a new. Like, you need my face to repeat that? The narrative is out there.

[Justin Scott]

It's out there.

[Deontay Kyle]

And the reason why you're tagging me in this is because of the narrative, and I share the same sentiment as them, so just listen to them.

[Justin Scott]

I don't understand that.

[Deontay Kyle]

I have nothing new to add to this.

[Justin Scott]

I feel like it's cloud chasing. The moment I see five People announce the same event. You're cloud chasing. Stop.

[Deontay Kyle]

Stop that part.

[Justin Scott]

Talking about, my fans need to know what's going on. Stop. They're looking for you, bro.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, that part. Let's just keep it a. Being about what we doing.

[Justin Scott]

Like, man, I'm like, no. Like, I remember one time I was talking about. They were saying, why won't you talk about Sudan? I'm like, well, I just don't understand it enough yet. And they were like, well, you know, people are dying and stuff like that. I was like, I understand people are dying, but if I don't bring any new understanding to them, I think they'll. Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Like, if I'm gonna just get on there and tell y' all the things that y' all already know are happening. And that's, like, a big thing for me, too, is like, my scope of information is the information that's out there. Right. You know what I mean? And, like, if I go do research, this has already been put out there into the narrative. So, like, why do I need to just regurgitate the same narrative that's already out there? And it actually doesn't add or take away anything. It just. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't add anything.

[Justin Scott]

No, it doesn't. It doesn't. It's exactly. Like what? Like. Like, we could even bring up the Sudan. My thing in the Sudan situation, I had ended up discovering, right, that. That Switzerland is a key player. All this, right? Switzerland, Hong Kong, a lot of these cities where they clear gold out. Right, right, right. They wash the gold, clear the gold, all that stuff, right? Like, you know, typical. Now, the thing is, is that when you. Were you so quick to pose, were you so quick to get there, you miss out on stuff like that. Ain't nobody talk about Switzerland's involvement in Sudan, but Switzerland is how the gold is getting to America.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right, Right.

[Justin Scott]

Let. That's the whole point of that. Go, like, shift from Sudan to the uae. Uae, you know, refines the gold. Ain't got no minds. Three refineries, though, ship that off to Switzerland. You know what I'm saying? Switzerland got. Got stamping. Got. Got the. Got the machine to stamp the gold, but no, no refineries and no mines. Okay? Then. Then the gold gets bought by corporations who privately run on a gold standard. This is an important conversation to have that unless I develop insight, we can't have it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right? And.

[Justin Scott]

And the thing is, I see people blow. Like. And I. I want to say, like. Like their. Their popularity or like. Or whatever like that I feel like they ruin it like that. Like, I've seen people, like, just. Just almost ruin everything about their career off of this type of notion. Like, and. Because everything. Every event will feel like the one.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

Like if you're. If you're just not developing insight, every event will feel like the one.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Because I don't even utilize my platform in that way. Like. Like, if something comes across and I can sit with it for a few days and really, like, garner my own perspective, but also offer a news perspective, then I'll just talk about it on my show. But I'm not going to react to it on TikTok because first of all, like, people don't understand how fickle two things are trust and credibility.

[Justin Scott]

Oh. Reputation is.

[Deontay Kyle]

You could literally ruin those two things in an instant.

[Justin Scott]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

So. So for me, it's like if I've garnered this following off of being trusted and credible, then I need to stay trusted and credible.

[Justin Scott]

It's that simple. If your reputation.

[Deontay Kyle]

We start doing it for the views, baby. When we start doing it for the check for the TikTok check, it's gone. First of all, they ain't even paying like that. Let's keep it real. Like, you know, they're not really giving us that chicken no more. This is Oracle money now. And Oracle ain't too generous.

[Justin Scott]

They gotta Epson printer. They don't got the one that the rest of the money come from is not from there.

[Deontay Kyle]

They operating on a lower quality printer, man. They should. They ain't been giving out the chili like they used to, man. Bite Dance was giving us that bread. You hear me?

[Justin Scott]

Oh, no.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, Bite Dance was with us. Yeah, Oracle, they. They stingy over there.

[Justin Scott]

Look, I seen they stock prices. They stingy. That's what I had to say.

[Deontay Kyle]

They stingy, man. Justin, bro, thank you. Before we go, I want to say I am Deontay Kyle. Who's behind the camera? Big Ice Club cat. You are.

[Justin Scott]

I'm Justin Scott.

[Deontay Kyle]

Free Palestine. Free Sudan. And nigga, more importantly, now more than ever, nigga, Free America.

[Justin Scott]

Free us.

[Deontay Kyle]

Free us.

[Justin Scott]

Free us. Dang.

[Deontay Kyle]

Free America. Why? Where's the Free America movement? Okay, a lot of you niggas like to hide your racism behind your activism. A lot of you like to place your concerns abroad so you don't have to deal what's going on at home. Free America. We'll see you next week. Yeah.

[Justin Scott]

They say without the proper labor, faith don't stand a chance. I put my faith in faith and stand on fertile land.

[Deontay Kyle]

I planted seeds.

[Justin Scott]

Adeline Deed turning the trees before Rest.

[Deontay Kyle]

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[Justin Scott]

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[Deontay Kyle]

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[Justin Scott]

Up.

[Deontay Kyle]

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