Episode 124 - FD Signifier

Summary

Grits and Eggs Podcast

Host: Deante’ Kyle
Guest: FD Signifier
Episode: 124
Date: February 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this memorable, free-ranging conversation, Deante’ Kyle sits down with renowned YouTube essayist and cultural critic FD Signifier. The duo dig into pop culture, radical politics, Black internet discourse, parenting in a digital age, and the ever-evolving relationship between Black communities and current events. They blend sharp analysis with humor and personal anecdotes, resulting in a vivid reflection on Black radicalism, media, YouTube success, class, masculinity, and more.

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Key Themes and Discussion Points

1. Growing Up Black: Sports, Gaming, and Family Dynamics

• Deante’ and FD swap stories about their families' athletic (and non-athletic) backgrounds.
  • FD on his family: “My older brother was an all world running back... My sister literally is a head coach for a top tier track team in college right now... and then, you know, I was really good at video games.” – FD, [03:00]
• Fatherhood and fostering creativity vs. tradition:
  • Deante’: “My home was very like old school, traditional. Go get a job, go get it. Be out the house by 18, all that type of shit. Whereas like, I tell my kids all the time, like, bro, if y' all wanted to stay here, y' all could. You can't just not do shit.” – [12:05]
• The generational shift in Black parenting mentality: Making room for diagnoses like ADHD and autism, and shifting away from past narratives of “lazy” or “bad” kids to more nuanced understanding.

2. Video Game Culture, Streaming & Black Masculinity

• Differences between old-school gaming for self-enjoyment and contemporary streaming performance.
  • FD: “I tried doing game streaming last year... But the kids and the people that consume video game content, they want like a show... I actually like playing video games.” – [04:14]
• The rise of “pro gaming” and generational differences in skill.
• Lighthearted discussion: trash talk between fathers and sons over games.
• Reflections on the role of video games as bonding and competition in Black homes.

3. Black Autism, Neurodiversity, and Cultural Perceptions

• FD makes a powerful point on undiagnosed autism and ADHD in Black families:
  • “I come from a long line of undiagnosed autistic men. Because, like, autism didn’t exist until essentially 20, 25 years ago... in the black community, you know that shit. You was weird, you was lazy, you was bad. All them things were euphemisms for autistic adhd.” – FD, [13:11]
• Discussion of how different talents (collectibles, tinkering, blueprints) in older Black men may have reflected undiagnosed neurodiversity.
• The effects of the crack epidemic wiping out skilled Black trade workers.

4. Neo-Fame, Internet Culture, and Anti-Fandom

• The perils and weirdness of internet (non-celebrity) "fame" and constant public feedback.
  • FD: "And it's a weird thing cause we're not actually famous. Like you ain't coming here with a bunch of security, you know what I'm saying? I came here by myself." – [17:45]
• The mechanics of cancellation, call-out culture, and managing public scrutiny without industry buffers like publicists.
• Coping strategies: “Just let them cook. It'll go away in three days. Don't worry.” – Deante’, [18:43]
• On "clip fame": how short clips without context skew public perception, create misreadings, and breed drama.

5. Black Radicalism, Pop Culture, and Online Discourse

• The challenge of pushing anti-capitalist and radical Black ideas through mainstream platforms like YouTube—where the algorithm promotes certain content and suppresses others.
  • FD: “Knowledge and like perspective on anti capitalism and radical thought has been systematically taken out of black pop culture.” – [21:44]
• The tension between internet virality and radical authenticity; the trade-offs of pursuing viewership.
  • “You scare away black moderates. You scare away black, like hardcore liberals. The black excellence. You especially probably scare the black excellence brunch crowd with this tattoo on your hand and shit.” – FD, [26:31]

6. YouTube, Black Political Commentary, and Algorithms

• FD and Deante’ analyze Black representation on YouTube:
  • Black men are underrepresented in intellectual or radical commentary; Black feminists are more established.
  • The economics of YouTube: the hate-watchers, the limits of the algorithm, and why radical or nuanced Black content often struggles to find a wide audience.

7. Internet Beef, Black Manosphere, and Gender Politics

• Both criticize the toxic dynamics of the Black manosphere and the negative discourse around Black women online.
• Notable analogy: If you call out your son’s behavior, and he deflects by blaming his sibling, it’s the same as men’s “what about Black women” evasion online.
  • "When I'm talking to men... but what about women? Are there women present? Nigga, I'm talking to you." – Deante', [31:22]
• On content beef: Fighting with other creators as a trap set by the algorithm to manufacture drama.

8. Class, Black Excellence, and the “Brunch Crowd”

• Honest discussion on class divides among Black professionals.
• “Black Excellence Brunch Crew” as a term for the insular, status-obsessed segment of Black success; skepticism towards non-traditional backgrounds.
• On higher education: Mixed feelings about the value and cultural weight of college; the divergence between “educated” Black voices and those from other walks of life.

9. Radicalism, Compromise, and Media

• The reality that even prominent Black creatives (e.g. Tyler Perry, Jay Z) often make moves that ultimately reproduce the system.
  • "He does drug dealer giveaways to hide the freaky shit. Right? That's what Cosby did." – FD, [91:31]
  • "[Tyler Perry] does the easy thing for him that allows the structure to be maintained. It's easy... He does drug dealer giveaways, essentially." – FD, [91:04]
• On the limits of protest, and how organizing still accumulates small victories, even if systemic change feels impossible.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On fatherhood and change:
  • "What is it within me that I don't want you to exhibit to the world?... What are the things I wish I had growing up that I can provide for you? Not just monetarily... but like emotionally, psychologically." – FD, [10:29]
• On the pipeline from “protest” to “product”:
  • “That's the cycle of consumerism, too. And when we go from people to product, it is a jarring thing for us.” – Deante’, [77:37]
• On white involvement in political protest:
  • "Now, it took a white man getting shot like a nigga in the street on cam to do it ... but there's a steady growth in momentum happening of ... liberation minded people in this country of all walks of life." – FD, [81:54]
• On the church’s latent organizing power:
  • "If y’all can organize people to boycott Target for a year now, can you send ... church aunties to the distribution center ... use a trucker, sit down in them runways for an hour while they lose tens of thousands of dollars on logistics and see how quickly Target comes to the table." – FD, [122:45]
• On Black skepticism about the system:
  • "The average street nigga is already anti system. Cause he's anti cop. ... The empire is what has tortured you most of your life." – Deante', [115:21]
• On radical ideas and history:
  • "Radicalism is just some shit that happened to pop up ... my experiences in the system... the radical position is the only moral position that exists right now in society... to be against empire." – FD, [73:53]

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Notable Segments (Timestamps)

• 00:35–04:14 | Parenting, sports, family backstories, generational shifts
• 04:14–07:58 | Video games, streaming culture, father-son competition
• 12:04–13:37 | Neurodiversity, undiagnosed autism & ADHD in Black families
• 16:21–21:56 | Black musicians' legacy, pop culture, cancel culture, online critique
• 24:19–26:06 | YouTube, algorithms, limits for radical Black creators
• 31:22–32:46 | Gender politics: “What about Black women?” and the Black manosphere
• 39:38–45:14 | FD’s teaching experience, America's juvenile systems, structural barriers
• 50:00–54:14 | Black excellence, higher education, class politics in Black America
• 62:25–63:33 | Corporate-controlled activism, performance politics at the Super Bowl
• 73:53–76:45 | What it means to be a “radical” today, and the limits of Black radical public figures
• 80:07–84:32 | The social impact of viral videos, organizing movements, and new platforms for Black radicalism
• 105:13–107:00 | Race and fetishization in cinema, cultural representation
• 119:03–123:38 | The transformation of Black religious institutions, liberation theology, and political organizing via the church

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Tone and Style

• Unfiltered, humorous, and intellectually dense—mixing real talk with academic insights.
• Both hosts are candid about their backgrounds and personal journeys alongside big-picture political theory and cultural critique.
• Occasional use of African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) and hip hop-influenced slang, reflecting the pod’s authenticity and target audience.

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Further Resources Mentioned

• FD Signifier’s forthcoming Tyler Perry video (“It'll be on FD signifier, the main channel. It'll be on Nebula, the streaming service...” – [133:07])
• Recommendations of other Black YouTube creators (e.g., Khadijah, Jouelzy, T Noir, Kim Foster, Deja Sade, Anansi Library, Andrewism)
• Discussion of Black History Month figures: Tina Bell, Sister Rosetta Tharpe

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Closing Thoughts

The episode is a wide-ranging, absorbing meditation on Blackness, masculinity, radicalism, and the pitfalls and potential of both digital fame and digital activism. Deante' and FD invite listeners to scrutinize their loves, their politics, and their place in the system—and to imagine how Black people might, one day, do more than simply create and destroy, but actually control their art, narratives, and futures.

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For More

• Watch FD Signifier on YouTube and Nebula
• Subscribe to Grits and Eggs Podcast for deep dives into pop culture, current events, and radical critique

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Transcript

[A]

Yeah Woke up in the morning and to God be the glory Thankful for another day to tell my story Put my opinions in the universe and let them orbit I'm from the dirty soul with a dirty mouth My knee orbit, miss things Things on me like a Norbit had to refuse them cause my bitch no rest Fusion she gorgeous As I doubt my sons up and kiss my daughter forehead Tell them we gonna get this money to my pocket Sn morbid. Remember living in apartments now. We playing mortgage.

[B]

Had a tournament this weekend. I was so excited to see my baby play soccer for the first time in couple of months. And we had been training with him and we doing box jumps in the basement and shit. Cause he ain't got no hamstrings. And I mean, he just didn't. He's like, look, you know, we ain't got all these other skills, but you slow like your daddy. So I'm smart enough to know what the problem is.

[A]

Cause I've been there, right?

[B]

So, you know, we did all that and they fucked around and put us in a tournament against teams that were like, skill level above us. Which in soccer, that's.

[A]

Yeah, that's a night and day.

[B]

Yeah, it's night and day.

[A]

It's like baseball. Like, if the team is that, man, I done play so many baseball tournaments where it's like our team didn't realize we was mid tier teams until we got into them top tier games. And they Gonna beat us 21 to nothing.

[B]

Like, they play.

[A]

Yes. In baseball, like. Like the. Like the lead hitter is hitting home runs. It's like, oh, shit, we fucked up.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Cause we only got like two niggas on our team that can consistently hit a home run. D n come out first pitch, bing. Like, oh, damn, it's gonna be a long day, y'.

[B]

All. Best pitcher hitting 75 miles an hour.

[A]

You feel me? Like, they really AAU balling. And then it's like this one, you realize you playing a different caliber of team because these niggas coming from the country. So all these niggas big as hell. Like, they ain't never been to no gym. They've been on a farm.

[B]

And Georgia's randomly like a super baseball.

[A]

So this. When I was in North Carolina, I was playing majority of baseball. When I moved to Georgia, I played, I tried out, I made the team. But then I realized, like, the coach had been coaching all these kids so he wouldn't start me regardless. And I was like, okay, I'm. Fuck this. I should have stuck with it because I Was really good. Cause I never had like, even in middle school I was all county. I was already on the high school team. But then we moved.

[B]

Would at least got some free college.

[A]

Oh yeah, for sure. Easily. Yeah, I was, I was. I know for sure I was decent enough to get a scholarship.

[B]

Yeah, well, not me. We'll see. We'll see about this boy though. We'll see. We'll see if we can see. We can send you these boxes.

[A]

It was zero athletics on your side?

[B]

No, it's just me. That's what's wild. My older brother was an all world running back. He was, you know, he was only like 5 6, 5 7.

[A]

It's just you so.

[B]

But he was like, you know, on that war done shit. My sister literally is a head coach for a top tier track team in college right now. And like held records in Illinois for like 20 years on the hurdles and shit. And then, you know, I was really good at video games.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

I was on all the teams but you know, I shunned at teching. I was really good at teching in the community. My name rings bells.

[A]

Yeah. But hey, you gotta know your strengths though, bruh.

[B]

You know, and that's the thing, you know, we can transition when we get to the management shit. Like that's the thing. I think if niggas understand early on we'd have a lot less problems that every shoe don't fit you find the one that fits you and you do that.

[A]

So my son is in sixth grade. Like his older brother, he into athletics, but he more of a track and field. He like individual sports because like team sports just to him it just don't make sense.

[B]

That's my youngest.

[A]

Yeah. But my middle son, he in sixth grade and he like, man, I ain't. I'm trying to be an architect, but for the time being I'm rocking with these video games heavily, heavily, heavily. This is a whole different story we be recording. He'd be up there raging and all type of shit. Like I don't understand video game culture. I couldn't scream like that when I was growing up.

[B]

Yeah, it's weird. Cause I, I do and I know it enough to know the modern video game culture don't got shit to do with me or anything I want to do now. Like I just started this year. I tried doing game streaming last year a little bit and I don't like it that much because I actually like playing Video games. But the kids and the people that consume video game content, they want like a show, you know what I'm saying? They want you to scream and react and emote and talk through. So the. And me, I'm trying to, like, pay attention to the game and I'm trying to enjoy the game. And so my shit is. My shit is just not entertaining.

[A]

Yeah. I'm just literally watching.

[B]

I'm just literally watching this nigga play video games. And like, and if I like a game, I don't want to have to turn on the camera to play it. I want to play the game. Cause I like that shit. And then stop when I got to do something. Like. And I don't have these streamers be doing, you know, four, five hours sets of streaming. And like, if I get three hours, it's a. It's a. What's the word? A marathon for me. My back start hurting sitting in that. I need to lay down. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I'm a story mode. I don't play no online games. I don't do none of that. I've never. Online game ever.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, all you missing is being called the N word, I'm pretty sure. And with like, you know, 14 year olds that's been playing the game since they were six, you know, that know every. They have like muscle memory to do all the things that win the game. And you know, I get it. That's a skill set. I've been around pro gamers. I went to Evo, which is like the fighting game, Super Bowl 2024. And like, being in there around them, I was like, oh, this really is different.

[A]

That's when you realize you was just an asshole.

[B]

I was a nigga good at games.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

These are pro the same way. We was just talking about soccer. Like, it's a. I've been playing Tekken since 1996. So, like, literally, I'm one of the oldest niggas in the world playing Tekken.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Um, and there was this. There's this guy that's only played one game his whole YouTube career, and I could not beat him. He started playing Tekken like a month before. And just the way, you know, it's. I ain't going. I'm gonna say Spectrum adjacent, which. Which I am Spectrum adjacent skill sets. The way he's able to engage with that game and like process things and react is shit I had to do work on since I was 13 years old.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I could not beat this dude that's that's the difference.

[A]

Yeah. So, you know, my son got to this one. I knew I was like, I'm out of gaming. It was like he me always kind of bonded, like playing the game and then it just gets to a point where I can't beat him and shit no more. That shit is frustrating because then he's a shit talker too. Like, you thought you was going to win. Like, I would put you on punishment.

[B]

Give me the plug.

[A]

Yeah. I tell you to go to your room. Like, I don't know what the.

[B]

You think I'm cutting the Internet off too?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can do all that from the phone I cut in at all. I don't know what happened. But now like, he like a real talker. Like, and Tekken is my Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. So like, we always play combat games.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The only game we play together, like, that's not competitive Escape because they got like the new skaters, early access. So we'd be like, we'll take turns. Yeah. We'll just do different. You know what I'm saying? But I don't even play with them in the game no more. I'm just like, bro, I'm not finna play you. I'm finna lose. And it's like that. Not fun. Yeah, well, I'm not taking ten L's back to back. Like, I'm not trying. You feel me? And then it's my child, so it's like me looking at myself with my own ass. I'm straight on that, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah, thankfully I don't. My youngest, he's. He a true, true gamer. Like, he's a hipster, he plays retro games. Like, I had to go with him and like work with him to find emulators to play Metroid and Mega man and shit. So he don't really like competitive games that much. He likes specific types of games. My oldest, you know, a word to the soccer, he's a little bit more on the jock spectrum. So he just playing Fortnite and Minecraft.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I tried to get both of them in Tekken, but I can't turn it off and I refuse to no shade be in your position. So like, you gonna either learn how to beat me or you gonna catch these L's every time you play, daddy.

[A]

Oh, bruh. And it's so fun. It's so fun playing with him when I first get a game. Cause this one I know I can beat him, right? This one I know is Competitive. He got enough muscle memory and I got enough experience where it's like actually competition.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The only game I can consistently beat him in is Tekken, but anything else. Oh, and the new street fighter that

[B]

came out, you got Tekken 8.

[A]

Yeah, okay, but it's the. You know what it is? It's not even all the fighting. It's just Mortal Kombat. I can't fuck with him. And that shit hurts me because it's like I played the original Mortal Kombat, bro.

[B]

Yeah, the games change every time, but Mortal Kombat is at the bottom of the food chain. So really what you do is you switch up. You switch it up to a different argument. Like, son, I think it's great that you've mastered this very basic. When you're ready to. When you're ready to upgrade to the more elite.

[A]

He'll flip that on me. Like, I mean, he's smart like that. He'll be like, I mean, if you can't beat me, just. You could just say you want to play another game. Am I lying, bro? Like a full blown shit talker. Like, and kind of. We kind of got like a loose policy at the crib around like vulgar language and stuff like that. My whole policy is like, if you can't use other words to express it, then you can't cuss. So like, whatever the case may be, you know, curse words just kind of wipe out like 20 different words at once. So it's like, well, if you don't have the vocabulary to express in any other way, then you can't curse. So they make sure they sharpen up on their vocabulary, which means they just. So they can curse. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

You're accidentally creating worse enemies. Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, it's no, like, I'm training my own ops. This shit is crazy.

[B]

I mean, you know what I think that's when I think about fatherhood and especially having sons specifically. Like, I don't think of it specifically as training your opps.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But all I think about is like, what is it within me that I don't want you to exhibit to the world? Exactly. Like, what. What are the things I wish I had growing up that I can provide for you? Not specifically, just like monetarily and structurally, but like emotionally, psychologically. My oldest son is a hard worker and I always tell him, yo daddy wasn't a hard worker. Like the way you came home and immediately got to your books. I never did that shit.

[A]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

And part of it is he's not. He doesn't have like. School was easy for me and school's never been easy for him. He has ADHD and we didn't get him like diagnosed and all that till later probably. Cause it's Covid, you know what I'm saying? And so he kind of like had to deal with struggling in school for a little bit. And he's at a school where it's competitive and like, it ain't. No, the cool kids are a students at his school.

[A]

Yeah, that's hard.

[B]

Right? So you like, he can't act out and like do some other shit to get social status? No, he gotta get his grades up. And so like, he developed work ethic off them. And I was like, hey, let's go.

[A]

That's tight. That's tight.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah, I rock with that. Yeah.

[B]

So.

[A]

Yeah, because I think environmental changes for my children is big for me. I was really influenced by my environment. I think more than anything there's an ease to like, allow them to be creative. Where that shit wasn't celebrated in my home at all. My home was very like old school, traditional. Go get a job, go get it.

[B]

You know, be out the house by

[A]

18, you got to be out of the house by 18, all that type of shit. Whereas like, I tell my kids all the time, like, bro, if y' all wanted to stay here, y' all could. You can't just not do shit.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And like, I wouldn't even ask you to help pay bills or nothing like that. It's just like, figure something out, you know what I'm saying? Buy your own car. Like if you wanna work towards something like that. I would love to be like a dad. That's like, I bought all my kids cars at 16. Ideally that makes sense to me, but I also know these niggas and it's like, I don't know if giving you a car.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

Cause my oldest. Yep. You see what I'm saying? Especially this oldest one, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cause he'll FaceTime all day with his girlfriend type dude. Oh yeah, yeah. He's 14, got a new girlfriend. It's like a whole thing. And it's like he was diagnosed on the spectrum at like four or five years old. I saw it early.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I think that's another thing too, that we don't have like them hold ups our parents have.

[B]

I made a joke on something, some other podcast this week. Cause somebody was asking me about my work, et cetera, and I was like, look, I come from A long line of undiagnosed autistic men.

[A]

Straight up.

[B]

Cause, like, autism didn't exist until essentially 20, 25 years ago. Wasn't really. I mean, it existed. I don't know. Where the camera are we?

[A]

Yeah, we've been wrong.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[A]

This you right here.

[B]

Okay. It existed before I get some Will Actuallys and shit.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

[B]

But you know, the black community, you know that shit. You was weird, you was lazy, you was bad. All them things were euphemisms for autistic adhd. You know what I'm saying? Something else.

[A]

That's how my dad is. Like, bro, you got eminem collectibles from 1978, bro, I don't wanna hear this shit.

[B]

My granddaddy, like, literally to his death, would make blueprints for no reason.

[A]

That's hard.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's exciting, but it's weird. It's weird. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

He would be in his room, like, didn't nobody wanna talk to him. Cause he's an asshole. That's probably also part of that whole, you know, strain of autism he had. And it's in my family, but he would just be in his room. My grandma had died, like, two years before, and so he would just spend his days making blueprints to shit. The shit that didn't exist. And so, like, I got an uncle that can install a light switch in your car to turn it on. He ain't never been to no mechanic shop or nothing. He just figured that shit out. What was he going?

[A]

Oh, this is. So autism in the black community is what we call nigger rigging. Yeah, you just make a makeshift. A lot of makeshift electricians make.

[B]

Cause you ain't got, like. If you are in a black community, you know, someone that has a otherworldly skill to do some random shit.

[A]

Yes, yes.

[B]

That they weren't formally trained for.

[A]

And a lot of those men and women fell victim to the crack epidemic. Yeah, there's a. We talk about this a lot. Where the most skilled tradesmen, like, the people who would have been, like, pillars of the community as far as skilled trades, which would have, like, helped circulate. A lot of black money fell victim to you. Yeah. Because niggas like to party. And it's like, we ain't know that was a drug we ain't gonna be able to bounce back from.

[B]

Right, right. Niggas was part. Like, there's a whole lot of. You know, a lot of our legends was blowing coke their whole careers, but they just happened to be able to do a line.

[A]

Drug addiction is cool if you have, like, a skill.

[B]

Like, drug use is cool until you. Until it becomes addiction.

[A]

Then what? The reason why I say is, like, it's not ever cool addiction. Right. But I'm saying, like, it's. It's something people can overlook if you have an entertaining skill set. Right.

[B]

Like that they can access and utilize.

[A]

Exactly. So, like, if you play a guitar real good. Yeah. Do some heroin, like, no big deal.

[B]

Right. Before we.

[A]

It we on in five, you know what I'm saying? You know, Ray Charles. Ray Charles is clearly owned up. And his is like. But that. That piano game. You know what I'm saying? Can't nobody do it like him. Yeah. So it's. I. We did our Black History Month spotlight, and we was talking about, like, Tina Bell. Rosetta Tharp. You familiar with Tina Bell? And Bam. Bam. So she's basically the pioneer of grunge music. And she took Kurt Cobain on the road with her early, before anybody knew who he was. And he basically took that. I wouldn't say still, but was inspired. Cause he's. Throughout his career, he's always been inspired by black artists, but they made him the face of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is why he was always so rebellious against. Cause, I mean, you know, he also.

[B]

It seemed like why he hated it. That makes a lot of sense. Because Kurt Cobain hated being famous. That was part of his depression and addiction, et cetera, which I get. We can get into, like, the nature of Neo fame that we're dealing with.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? I like to call them. It's like the Gotcha Stoppo where they.

[A]

It's niggas just constantly looking for a reason to cancel you.

[B]

Yeah. They got 100,000, 200,000 tweets. They got. You can't count Instagram posts, but they got a lot of them. No responses, but they there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they have a lot of opinions. And, like, I try to look for good criticism. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Same.

[B]

I've popped up on, like, if I. You know, every once in a while you get a call out video that comes to your attention. I'm like, oh, this nigga kind of got me real talk. This is a good point. And so I'll like, hit them up like, yo, can we talk? I want to explore this thing you said. You know what I'm saying? And if it's really. And if it's cool, I'll give them some love on the algorithm. But most of it is people vague posting people in their feelings about something you said that, you know, hit them directly in they shit and they don't really have a real response to it. So they, you know, they join the anti fandom.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's a weird thing cause we're not actually famous. Like you ain't coming here with a bunch of security, you know what I'm saying? I came here by myself. Right. And then we don't have. I don't have. I don't know about your whole management. We ain't got to get into all your management shit. But like I don't have no publicist, you know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah, I don't have a publicist. I just got somebody to handle my shit.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like make sure bookers book.

[B]

Right. Money is money is paid money, you

[A]

know all that like the admin shit.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And like, you know, reach out on your behalf type stuff like.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They can get in like people that's been in this game especially like my manager has been in podcasting for 15 years, so she's been managing podcasts for 15 years, so it's like she know people to call it. I don't. I don't have that access. It's good. Yeah, but publicist. Absolutely not.

[B]

Right? How do. How do we handle this? You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I don't, I don't even. You've been my publicist.

[B]

Yeah, we set this up.

[A]

Texting. Yeah.

[B]

Wasn't publicist calling. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

FD's been my like silent publicist. Like. Yeah, I see they cooking you right now. Just let them cook. It'll go away in three days. Don't worry.

[B]

I mean it do it do.

[A]

But every time you've given me advice, if I follow the advice, it works out exactly how. But you've been doing this a lot longer than me.

[B]

I mean, not so much. I mean not so much longer. I mean I started in 2018.

[A]

You've been doing it longer than me.

[B]

When did you. When did you really. When did like Deontay Kyle like start

[A]

being like such a. I went viral the first time in 2023.

[B]

Okay, so I only had like three years on you though.

[A]

Yeah, but it's a. It's a big three years because I must say. Why? Because you post on YouTube and do a million views. That's a different world, my nigga.

[B]

True, true. But that's like, that's so much.

[A]

And you editing your shit too. It's. Oh, no, no, no.

[B]

I stopped editing my shit years ago.

[A]

Okay, good, great.

[B]

I got like final Cut. Yeah, like all the like graphic shiny shit. I will say I said myself earlier. I'm a dunno. I do all this.

[A]

I'm a brother. That's the main reason why I don't do video essays because I feel like certain topics I could really kill a like a 45 minute hour video essay. You could, but I'm like the editing bro. But I got.

[B]

We gotta.

[A]

I gotta.

[B]

Well, it's not even. It's so you do have to have a vision though.

[A]

Yeah, no, I could create like the what it would be. It would be basically like a one shoe or like a, like a deck. A creative dick or like a vision board for like how you want.

[B]

I don't do none of that.

[A]

I don't know how you do this. I'm tell you something, first of all, this is FD signifier. I'm sorry if you don't know who he is, man. Get up on. Get from underneath the rock, nigga. You know what I'm saying? This is the nigga. This is.

[B]

I appreciate it. I appreciate that.

[A]

Yeah. YouTube, this is who I listen to if I want to learn some shit.

[B]

That's dope. That's dope. There's people I listen to that I' ma also make sure you get in touch with and connect with absolutely everything. Like a lot of my perceived knowledge and intellect is just me regurgitating and low key like synthesizing people with PhDs in black studies.

[A]

I think that. I think like trickle down intelligence is like a low key thing that's like real talk.

[B]

We are really important and folks is gonna like hear that and be in the comment section talking about egos and whatever else. But like you having the blow up you have had with wretched of the earth and you guru in front of you is legitimately like. I'm not gonna say I don't use the word revolutionary lightly. Cause like. Cause the people above me will, you know, pull my coat saying like nigga, you talking a little too crazy. But it is something to say that the shit you be on overall in your content getting popular amongst black people is big. Because that type of like knowledge and like perspective on anti capitalism and radical thought has been systematically taken out of black pop culture.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Our radicals in black pop culture, no shade and we gonna keep it shade free are very compromised. And just keep it shade free. Cause I don't wanna open up no other doors.

[A]

Don't wake up them niggas I'm sorry. I've been dealing with them niggas for the last three weeks. Oh yeah, it's toug too. Like them, like I'll be scared to take it there with them. And I know that like it's going to get a lot of pushback when I do do it. But I think the bigger thing is like, let's have a conversation. Like we can't let these people go unscathed and like. Because that's how you create like maga. Yeah. It's just like there's no pushback. It's like fear. The fear of things coming in droves because they come in drove. Yeah. So it's like it's this game. What's that game? What's that game? It's a zombie game.

[B]

Left for Dead.

[A]

Is. Is it the one where like the

[B]

come you'll kill a couple of Zombies for like 15 minutes and all of a sudden it's like 500 of them, bro.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. You gotta get the fire active. Like you can only kill.

[B]

Save all your power ups. Yeah.

[A]

See what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like you dealing with it like that. Like I could like dealing with one or two of them. It's like, yeah, bro. But then it's like, oh shit.

[B]

It's the ones that come with institutional power.

[A]

Yeah, that's, that's. Yeah.

[B]

So. So one of the reasons why I'm doing. People been making fun of me because I'm doing low key, a press run. I'm coming out with this. I want one name. I will say, yeah, is Tyler Perry.

[A]

Okay, cool.

[B]

I'm coming out with this Tyler Perry video when we go, when it's dropping,

[A]

you know, like, well, we'll, we'll fast track it.

[B]

Okay, well you don't have to because like it's ways of like it would

[A]

be like six weeks then.

[B]

Oh, oh, no. I fast track.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah. I could push it up to two weeks. Two weeks is good. Two weeks. Yeah. I'm telling you, bro, I've been in this working non stop. I was thinking about that today. Like, I need to slow down because I'm only dropping one, like one interview a week. So I do the solo and then I do the interview and I was like, that's good though. Like, I know, but I have some shit that's like in the tuck for real. I'm like, God damn, I need to

[B]

you drop this eventually.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want to forget about. Because I like, I'm Thinking about this, like, I was going through my list today, I was like, that's not coming out for five weeks. Like I kind of want that to come out now. But we'll figure it out.

[B]

Yeah, that's, that's, we'll fast track it,

[A]

but you tell me what ideal time and then we'll, we'll schedule your ring.

[B]

Well, yeah, my shit come out Monday and then like anytime before mid March is cool with me. So if it's like three, four weeks, that's fine, that'll be good. Cause that'll give it a little boost.

[A]

Might start dropping two, three episodes a week now.

[B]

The Tyler Perry video probably will do big numbers.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

So like, if you. So first off, let me just apologize for the wave of white people that's about to pop up in your, in your comment section and in feeds. Cause the thing that the blow up on YouTube, I can't front the initial blow up was I talked about some white people shit in a way that white people on YouTube had not seen. A n do and million views, 100,000 subscribers after like 2000 for a year and a half. And I was like, oh, this is weird. My uncles would not approve of this shit. And I got a really like self evaluating. That's really what brought me into a more radical position because I didn't want that Van Jones, I didn't want that Van Jones treatment. I was like, this is not, I'm doing something wrong if white people are this comfortable in my comment section. Yeah, but YouTube also doesn't have like, this is why I really wanted to connect with you. YouTube doesn't have an algorithm designed effectively for pursuing black eyes and ears. Like, yeah, like YouTube. Their algorithm sends black people to sports, to fashion, to hair, to, you know, hood entertainment type shit, shout out to like corporate. Right, Corporate. I don't know if you know him.

[A]

He's in Chicago.

[B]

Like he's been doing. He does millions of views and I love his shit, but it's not like political, you know, commentary and the political commentary that's there, you know, black brother from CNN that left years ago, Chunky cat, Roland Martin.

[A]

Roland Martin, yeah.

[B]

Like he got like a lot of, he got a lot of subscribers, but he don't do. I mean, he, you know, he's like perfectly round.

[A]

I met him in person and he had on like full African garb. It was such a wild experience.

[B]

That's gotta be.

[A]

It was flat over, but it was like, damn, this is the Roll Lamar.

[B]

He is Roll Lamar. Yeah. And so like, so him right Me

[A]

around with a name like Roland too.

[B]

That's audacity. The audacity of God. Yeah. So like he's got, you know, I probably got a million subscribers. Right. But his videos ain't gonna do but 10, 20, 30k on average. They ain't doing like big numbers.

[A]

That's what I've had to. I've had to let go of the comparison.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I'm like, my, my podcast is way better than these people that get 250k views.

[B]

But it's like, but you scaring away. You scare away black moderates. You scare away black, like hardcore liberals. The black excellence. You especially probably scare the black excellence brunch crowd with this tattoo on your hand and shit. And the almost wick situation. They come for me because I still seem and sound familiar. I got my little cau hoodie on to be like, yeah, it's black liberals. I'm so cool. I'm so approachable. So like Barack Obama is an op, Right? Right. And then suddenly dislike bars start. You know, let's talk about Jasmine Crockett. Ooh, no, let's not.

[A]

Yeah. Hey, man. You know, I think for me, I'm okay with being on an island with some of my thoughts, but I'm also, to your point earlier, it's like I need an articulable disagreement. I don't need you just to not like what I said because that doesn't help me.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I also always will say I'm not above. I would actually prefer the criticism. I had an article come out about me today, and a big part of the article, the part she made a big focal point, was that being wrong gives me an opportunity to learn. That's like something I really embrace because I do want to. I don't want to feel like I'm perfect in politics. I don't want to feel like I'm perfect in my talking points. I want to feel like I still have more to learn. And I do, but I'm always seeking out. So like to. When I come across your page, then I come across Lil Bill and like that's like a perfect space for me to operate in because it's hip hop and politics. And then they're like melding like, you know what I'm saying? And then I listen to like this dude, Professor Zhang, and he's like a college professor, but he's very like non biased in his discussions about he's giving you information and he's breaking down like each layer of information. And I like long form talking because I don't want a quick to the point thing. I want, I want to like, let's go detail, let's go through it.

[B]

You want to be able to have a. Like the true knowledge is you can teach it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know, I've. That's why like making content. I got. I stopped my PhD when I went viral.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? I was abd. I was getting ready to start my dissertation proposal and shit. I went viral and I was like, I'm good, I'm make this money over here.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

I really want to be a college professor writing papers that ain't nobody going to read except other college professors for the rest of my life if I can do this shit and reach the people. But I've learned more. I've become more effective in my knowledge attainment and communication since. Saying I'm gonna have to do an hour long video on this now.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And so now I gotta know how to express it. I gotta know more details. I can't just be reading something just enough to pass a test, to finish a paper, you know what I'm saying? To discuss in class. It's a whole different thing. And going back to the point I was making about Black politics on YouTube, it's real. Like, I didn't see it when I first started it, but like once I started and like was floundering and trying to figure out what the fuck is going on, I was like, yo, there's very few black men. The black feminists were there. Shout out to Khadijah, Mbo, Jouelzy, T Noir, even Kim Foster. Like, they all had like, you know, 100,000 subscribers that had their communities, et cetera.

[A]

And they all do video essays and stuff like that as well.

[B]

They do like a mixture of different versions of it, but essentially, yeah, video essays.

[A]

Are you familiar with Deja Sade?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Deja Sade is another homie. She came later though.

[A]

She came like. She, she flipped me on my head. I was like, jesus, yeah.

[B]

And, and so like, if it wasn't for a Khadijah and Bo shout out, I probably. The algorithm probably wouldn't have figured out what I was doing. Cause algorithm was sending me some manuscript niggas and it was coming to my comment section eating me up. Like. Like, what about black women? I'm like, I don't, I don't know why we even talking about this. I was talking about coming to America, bro. Like, like, I don't need how we got there.

[A]

What about Black women is, like, the weakest deflection to accomplish. Yo, I always tell these niggas, like, yo, your son said that to you.

[B]

Wouldn't you be disappointed?

[A]

What if. Okay, you got how many kids I got?

[B]

Two.

[A]

Two is enough. Two is enough. For the example if. If Kid A comes to you and you like, getting on Kid A, like, look, this behavior is not conductive. Like, being a better person, like, this is not how I raise you. And he's like, but Kid B did this. And it's like, nigga, I'm talking about you. Fuck him. I'm not talking about Kid B. Yeah, so, like, when I'm talking to men, it's like, but what about women? Is like, are there women present? Right? Nigga, I'm talking to you.

[B]

The black manuscript. The manuscript niggas in general, the whole

[A]

red, they scare me a little bit.

[B]

They. They don't scare me. Well, scare how?

[A]

Scare me? Or sadly, like. Like, ironically, I'm scared of them because it's like, how did you end up like this? And like, what's the reverse engineering of this? Because the thing is. Is like, you hate the thing you biologically want to pursue. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like. It's like. It's like. It's like if a nigga was hate. Like, I hate food, but I'm eating.

[B]

I mean, some of them probably low

[A]

key, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

It's a lot of undiagnosed behavioral health issues in that community.

[A]

Yeah, there's something going on.

[B]

I had a. Because I used to check on them a lot more when I was smaller. And part of it was to just be like, all right, how do I make sure I understand these niggas? Or how do I make sure these niggas understand me but don't, like, feel comfortable in my presence, that part I'm saying, like, I want all black men to feel like they can watch my shit and not feel completely, you know, turned off by it. And everything ain't for everybody.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Right. But I also, like, I'm always trying to say, okay, how do I engage with this population without making that population feel like I'm part of their crew? Cause I'll never forget when Kevin Samuels died, and I was like, you know, essentially, fuck that nigga. Niggas in my comment section like, damn, fd, I can't believe you said about Kevin Samuels like, you can't fuck. What am I doing then? Cause I'm. I'm not doing something right.

[A]

If you think sometimes things happen to me like that.

[B]

And I'm like, yeah, like, how are you?

[A]

But then I realized too, I have a different issue than you have because you're. You are not clip famous.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, like, to. In order to promote my podcast, I have to post clips on social, which means there's a lot of niggas that only know me from clips.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so they haven't seen context. They haven't watched a full show. They haven't seen a lot of the details that go in. They just see the hits and the talking points.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And then it's like, well, I can't believe this. Your take. It's like, what are you talking about? Do you take from the beginning? But then I realized, like, oh, you've never seen the show.

[B]

Right, Right. So you seen a bunch of clips.

[A]

Yeah. And you think you have an idea about who I am in a three minute clip. This is a two hour show.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

You missed so much.

[B]

Yeah, similarly. Similarly. But what throws me though is like, niggas will watch an hour long video of me. One of my favorite, like, early videos. I was talking about Baby Boy and like, how people sleep on how Baby Boy is like one of the most important pieces of media for black men of our generation ever made. And they think it's just Jody walking around being a fuck boy. It's like, yo, this, this boy is going through so much shit and the world is putting so much message towards him and he's expressing so many things. Y' all missing it. This nigga's a prostitute. And like, people are just being like, yeah, that's cool. And I'm like, no, this is deep. And so it's like. And I compared that to their eyes of watching God in the video. So I'm comparing it to this seminal black feminist text. And then like a week later, it's like, I can't believe you defend you simping for black women like this. I'm like, why would you even, like, be interested in what I have to say if that's like your standpoint? But one thing I also noticed from that experience and even like going back to Kevin Samuels and why he was able to blow up the way he was is that especially on YouTube, again, like, the Instagram land is more fertile. There's so few black images. So few images. So few images of straight black men of an intellectual disposition for men to like, engage with that they'll take whoever they. Yeah. Even if they don't agree with you, they just, they just want to hear that. So they can be reminded of that aspect of their own humanity. Even if they feel like you're full of shit. And they hate everything you're saying. The hate watchers pay a lot of bills in the FD signifier household, you know what I'm saying? Um, and they'll. And they'll willfully misunderstand you. They'll willfully misrepresent you the you were talking about, like, what's sad? So the last. I just googled some shit the other day and it's like there's one, this black manuscript dude that's literally 75 years old. Literally 75 years old. Posts three, four videos a week of him just talking to other black incels about how bad black women are. He just posted something about me, I think like yesterday. And it's like, oh, I gotta keep working. I gotta keep working. Cause this shit is sad. This shit is really sad.

[A]

75.

[B]

75. So the question becomes, what happened in that man's life between 1975 and 1995 that solidified him into being a black manosphere talking head for. Into his literal septuagenarian years?

[A]

Yeah, he's an elder bro, right?

[B]

This is an elder.

[A]

But not only that, you're an elderly content creator. This ain't even your bag right here. But he found, you know, I think it's important. Everybody needs to find community. Community in a space that works for them in the community space. Even if it is toxic, it is a community, right? And I think it's a. There's a desperation. This is like a quiet desperation within everybody that exists in like this Internet age of really connecting with people. And I think sometimes it's like if it. If I have to settle for a virtual connection, right, that I'm gonna make the most out of this, which. Which leads to like a lot of echo chambers of thought and like feedback loops of thought and sucked in.

[B]

And they lose track with not just reality, but like normal shit. A lot that happens in every political spectrum, including the left. You said earlier, like, what is to be done? And like the thing that I'm most proud of, folks. Will folks try to act like me and you have all black women fan bases. And I regularly show my metrics that shows my shit is 75% men, 70% men at the lowest. And you can tell it's black man. Cause you can look at the comment section unless I make a video about like wrestling or some shit.

[A]

Yeah, but yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm pretty. I'm pretty well balanced between men and Women. It is more men, but it's, like, not significant. Like 55 or 60.

[B]

Yeah. But they'll act like it's all black women.

[A]

Well, because it's easier to call you a simp.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's easier to say that you like pandering. You see what I'm saying? And, like, the pandering thing to me is just, like. It's just lazy. It's like. Like I'm not supposed to like my mom. Cause then that's where we gonna get to. I'm not supposed to like the mother of my children. I'm not. I got a daughter when I want to hate her, too. So at every stage of life, you want me to hate women. It's just weird.

[B]

These niggas.

[A]

Yeah, them. But.

[B]

Cause some of these niggas do hate

[A]

their mom, and they hate their children. Hate their children.

[B]

They hate their sisters. They hate their partners if they have them. And. And that's what you said. Sad, scary. That is the scary thing.

[A]

It is because they have to raise these kids right.

[B]

And one of these kids might date my son. I'm just like, all right, so I'll tell you what you're dealing with right now.

[A]

Yeah. You're dealing with manosphere child. A red pill child.

[B]

Red pill. Second generation. Yeah.

[A]

I'm curious to. I know you grew up in Chicago. You grew up in Chicago suburbs.

[B]

Yeah. South suburbs, which is Calumet City. Chicago suburbs are. I'm not about to do the whole, like. No, my suburbs. Duh, Duh. But South Chicago suburbs are not necessarily like, how you would imagine Fayetteville out here, Allgale Gardens, which is where Barack Obama started his political career. One of the hardest, roughest areas of the city was, like, 10 minutes away from me in One Direction, Harvey, which is where Lupe Fiasco grew up. It was 10 minutes away in different directions. So it wasn't like I didn't have access to a certain black aesthetic and energy. But I also didn't worry about things that I've heard niggas talk about in their experiences. When I got to college, I had, like, a. Not a rude awakening, but I had to be like, oh, I was actually much, way more privileged than I thought. Yeah, my bad, y'. All. I was faking the funk. I thought I was with y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

I'm clearly not. How can I support.

[A]

That's real.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you're in the mid. You're in college when you start content creation.

[B]

No, no, no. Well, I mean, low key, I guess. I did a. I was Just talking to my man Red right here. Like, we did radio shows at Clark, you know what I'm saying? And I've always been in media. And then I got halfway close to being successful in, like, radio and the music industry. And then realized pretty instantly that I wasn't built for that type of environment. Like, I just didn't have the energy. I didn't have to drive. I don't be liking people and being around people. Niggas wanted me to go to the club and, like, be at parties and holler at the dj. I'm like, I don't wanna do none of this. This is loud. I wanna go home, play Final Fantasy. And I was like, okay, that's who I am. Let me chill until I became a teacher. And what's interesting is that the teaching experience influenced my politics today more than anything. Even though I hadn't read anything serious to change the way I perceive the world. I just had a firsthand experience with the system. A firsthand experience with structural racism with generational lack and how systems purport. The systems protect themselves at the cost of the people. You know what I'm saying? I was in the Fulton County Juvenile Court for years. And, like, I'll never forget probably the moment that really broke my spirit in terms of, like, believing in the structure of America. And, you know, we need to get into the system and change. Like, was. I had this kid, so I had gangsters and, you know, hopefully not future killers walking through the hallways on a regular basis. Juvenile. And I'm trying to keep them out of jail, you know, do this, do this, do this, you know. But every once in a while, you just had a kid that just needed support. He just needed help. He needed a hug, he needed a Xbox to keep him out the house or keep him in the house so he didn't get involved in the streets. And so this one kid was definitely out of place. He was just truing and low key. He was just depressed. His mother, his aunt had got murdered. And that fucked him up. Cause he was closer to his aunt than his own mom. His mom was on some weird religious shit. You know how some elders are. And so. And he wasn't getting along, so he was just not going to school. He was just staying home and playing piano, right? And so this boy comes to my office, and I'm like, all right, listen, Mom. Your son don't need to be here. I understand you. You got problems with the chuancy. Da, da, da. We gonna do this, this. When we go to the judge, we Gonna do this, this, this and this to keep your son out the system. Because if your son gets in the system, chances are shit just gonna get worse for him, right? Mother was like, cool. We got to the court, and I never get. I'm trying not to get emotional. Cause this shit sticks with me. We got into the court and I got my little reports, you know, guardians and all, lawyers and shit, you know. Cause this is just kind of a process for everybody. Because it's little niggas in there all day every day, you know, with different crimes and shit. I do my little report and I say, judge, we request therapy and, you know, a couple meetings a month to check in. And he should do this, this, this, and this. And the judge. And this is one of the good judges. Because some of these judges ain't shit. Judge is about to say, all right, cool. And his mama, his own mama stood up and said, judge, I want my son on probation. And I was like. And I couldn't say nothing. And the judge. And I looked at the judge like, my nigga, like. And the judge was like, I hearby probation. Yada, yada, yada, for how long? And I just walked out there. Like, I walked out. I didn't say nothing to the mom. I. I didn't say nothing to the kid because I was like, I'm. I'm a. I'm gonna end up in front of a judge if I don't get out of here right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like, that was because that's a mom that, you know, unfortunately, through a series of failures, thinks this system is for her child and doesn't understand how these systems really work. Didn't trust me. There's. You know, without manuscript bullshit getting into manuscript bullshit, we can get into how little black boys are regarded in society. How having a black son that doesn't behave well becomes this, like, scarlet letter for a parent. And so you overreact to your son's reasonable misbehavior under societal circumstances and a judge that had to follow the rules, not in the interest of the child, but to protect the court. Because if he says, no, mom, I don't think your son needs probation, I'm gonna abide by my better judgment, the judgment of the social work, et cetera. Then if he does get into a fight, you know what I'm saying, get his head cracked, crack somebody head over some whatever, then the state gets sued. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Right?

[B]

And so that is the structure of our society, especially for black people in general. And once I saw that like, that was 2018. I was out of there in a couple months. And then three years later, I was like. When viral went, I was like, you know what if it means I get to check out of the program that I'm trying to subvert, we gonna do that, you know?

[A]

Yeah, I'm curious about that too, because oftentimes we get into these positions where we realize, like, even if I am in this system, I can't change it. You actually, like a lot of people that try to, quote, unquote, infiltrate systems or wanna be the spooked by the door, just get in and realize, like, man, this shit is deep.

[B]

This shit is broken.

[A]

This shit is broken.

[B]

Broken as fuck.

[A]

And it's like, I will be blacklisted and exiled before this decides to make any changes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like, experience that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that. That's a formative thing. But what it does do is pivot you into a place where you can get directly to people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, like, like I said, for instance, like, there's been a lot of your videos that I've watched and it's very hard for me. There's a couple of intangible things that have to be very present to keep people's attention in this day and time. And I think that there's a charisma that has to be present. There's an obvious know how that has to be present. But there's like these little intangible things. Like, do I like the tone of this person's voice?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do I even wanna. Can I visibly like, appreciate what's going on?

[B]

Does this nigga's face bothering me enough?

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Some people just got unlikable face and I think. But also even the editing and the direction of it all, it just makes it make sense. But how you hit your points. The Charlie Kirk video is literally. I have never sent a video to so many people.

[B]

Appreciate it.

[A]

I was like, watch. I was like, everything else you're doing. Watch this.

[B]

Appreciate that.

[A]

And it was just like, bro, that was brilliant.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

And it often what people say to me, I'm gonna say to you. It put into words what I had been thinking already. I just couldn't articulate it. And the. The fact of like stick on one subject. Subject for an hour plus. And so we can break down every facet of this subject because it's a very layered thing, man. Bro, that was brilliant. Like, I've.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Yeah, man. What's crazy you should got nominated for something.

[B]

You know, I got. It's funny.

[A]

My.

[B]

I got. I tried to get a. What these shits called a Webby. Webby. Somebody reached out to me maybe a year before last for 2024 webby for my Kendrick Drake video. And I ain't winning that shit. And I was like, all right, yeah, I don't win no more motherfucking award.

[A]

I ain't gonna hold you. Same, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Somebody from the NAACP reached out with like, please submit for this award. And then I submitted it, and they ain't even submitted.

[B]

You gotta pay like a couple of hundred dollars.

[A]

And I was cool with that at the time. I was like, you know what? This is naacp. Is this a big thing? And then not only did I submit, they didn't even nominate me. I'm like. I was like, y'. All.

[B]

And they came back last year like, hey, you should submit for.

[A]

I'm like, I ain't. I'm scrap, bro.

[B]

I don't care nothing about you all awards to begin with.

[A]

I was.

[B]

It had been nice to hold up my statue, but like, it been nice

[A]

to just be in the room for

[B]

a couple of hundred dollars.

[A]

Y' all ain't.

[B]

Y' all ain't gonna nominate a. But I know my was better than everybody else's.

[A]

I looked at the people in the. I was like, really?

[B]

Yeah, These niggas, right?

[A]

And I hate you know what I'm saying? Because individually, they all do great work, right? Podcasting and impact on the culture advancement of colored people. Nigga, these niggas.

[B]

But that goes back to like. That goes.

[A]

It was the Black Excellent. It's a Black Excellent brunch crew.

[B]

Shout out to Think Peace Tribe, who's also on Instagram. I think they're thinkpiece tribe on Instagram. That's their. They did a short film. They go to Morehouse. They did a short film, the Black Angstlers brunch, which is like just a 15 minute Atlanta bullshit hookah lounge brunch. The idea. I think we both understand being here in Atlanta. So I always want to give props to the origins of that term, but it's so perfectly encapsulates.

[A]

It's so great, this kind of faction

[B]

of black folks, that these are people, right? I still got on my paraphernalia. I'm still repping the set, right? But I've also been around these motherfuckers for the last 20 years, and I've heard them talk about n with tattoos on their hands in ways that make me uncomfortable.

[A]

Listen Bro, listen, I know I'm in bad company sometimes when n be like, so where'd you go to school? And I'd be like, I didn't. And they be like, oh, hmm.

[B]

Why not?

[A]

Niggas go, hmm. Oh, shit.

[B]

And you can.

[A]

You can hit it up.

[B]

You can see the credit score in

[A]

the items the odd go up to. It's like. It's like communicating with the black excellence brunch gods. Like, he's not one of us.

[B]

This nigga's not quite worthy.

[A]

He's not. He's not worthy of respect.

[B]

You can only get a certain percentage of resources, respect and accolades.

[A]

I'll have him come talk to the youth reward for this Negro at risk only.

[B]

Right. You can talk to the. You can do Scared Straight money.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You can't talk to our no Jack in Jails run.

[A]

You can't go speak at none of the college. But also, it's like, I don't like y' all niggas neither.

[B]

Yeah, that's what's so funny.

[A]

I fuck with him, though. But it's like. But it's like the same way. You judging me. I'm low key judging you. You just think that you in better judgment, right? And you not. Not in my eyes, but. Cause I respect what you do. I don't like the classism of it all.

[B]

It's real. Finish, finish, finish.

[A]

I know for a fact it's niggas with degrees that are also idiots. When the producers gotta start chiming in, Nigga Ferg usually sit here for two hours and don't say shit. So that struck a chord. But the thing is, it's also that I don't. It's not like I don't respect higher education. I didn't see how it was applicable for me. None of the things that was represented in higher education, I wanted to be. And. And what? I shouldn't. I should have known more about creative programs. I just did, right? So, like, yeah, on the back end of this, I'm definitely going to college, so to speak, but I'm gonna go to film school, right? Because that's what I'm interested in. But wasn't telling me about film school. Yeah.

[B]

When I told him I wanted structural failure.

[A]

Yeah. When I told my counselor I wanted to make. Be a cartoonist, she didn't say, well, you know, a lot of, like, art is, like, marketing. Maybe you should go to school for, like, marketing and advertisement and you could have a career doing that. But you can make it. Then you can work on your Skill set. At the same time, you know my fucking counselors, homie. There ain't no money in art. I said, oh, bitch. Kind of counseling incense.

[B]

I quit then, I guess.

[A]

Yeah, well, fuck school. That's trapping her, bro.

[B]

Look at.

[A]

Literally. No, listen. Literally, when she told me there's no money in art. So basically, like, you need to choose a better career. I was like, I'm gonna sell drugs. This, like, school. I was like, I'll get by. Because, like, I know my mom. My mom only cared about me graduating high school. And she was like, I can't set an expectation for you to go to college because I didn't go to college, Right? And she was like, it would be nice. But I also see, you know, you. Yeah, can you just get the diploma? So when you do decide to get your shit together, you don't gotta go get a ged. It'll be done when you decide. Okay, let me tighten the fuck up. You won't have to go through that big step. So, yeah, I graduated, like, a 1.8, bruh. It ain't something to, like, call home about.

[B]

But let's also analyze the framework that separates me from you. So, obviously, like, my mom highly educated. My dad was highly educated. So I was in the south suburbs of Chicago. And Chicago has a very distinct black, middle, petite bourgeois class. That's why the rappers out of Chicago are Lupe Fiasco, no Name Kanye. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, you know, we still got Twista and Crucial Conflict and shit, but, you know.

[A]

Yeah, but that makes a lot of sense, right?

[B]

And low key. My parents know most of their parents, you know what I'm saying? There was a community. There's also, like, the remnants of the black power movement. Whole bunch of shit, right? But the thing that I want to point out, and this is something I even saw in the south suburbs, is that I was a little boy, because I was, again, Autism Spectrum adjacent. Little quiet, you know what I'm saying? A little passive. Just wanted to watch. I wasn't trying to be the center of attention. So I was good. And so them teachers said, hey, if I would have came to them and said, cartoonist, they'd have said, well, you know, marketing. They'd have said, you know what? You should look into business. Then you still look in the film. They gave me every option because they saw within me potential.

[A]

Cause you was good.

[B]

Cause I was good. These other little niggas, though, y' all niggas better bounce this basketball. Y' all better get this ged. You get outta high school, you know, don't come, don't, don't, don't start no trouble, et cetera. And that has a ripple effect, that has a lasting ripple effect on how a lot of young black boys view the world. And there's a lot to that. There's so much to that that is under engaged with. Because the only shit that pops on the algorithm is 5050 dating.

[A]

Yeah, it's rough.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? Like, and the only. And it struck. I struggle with it because when I touch on that, there's one or two of them niggas.

[A]

Thank you. I felt that shit coming from a Milo.

[B]

When I touch on it, it does start to percolate certain conversations. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. And then there's one nigga that says, yeah, but black women, I'm like, fuck, nigga. Like

[A]

fd, we have to do a better job of ignoring those people. No, I mean, yes, because we get a lot of love too. I struggle with it too, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm like, fuck, fuck you. Here's a picture I found of your wife, bro, I gotta stop doing shit. Like, it's because I'm getting trolled, right?

[B]

And it creates incentive. Like, there's niggas I would love to air out every time I pick up a microphone. But what that does is it doesn't just give license for them to make content about me. It literally trains the algorithm to connect us. The algorithm hears me say that motherfucker's name, my viewers go see what he got to say about me, and vice versa. And now we connected, and now I gotta deal with his fan base or their fan base on a regular basis in my comment section. So I had to learn early. So the good thing is I learned that with white people, I had a bunch of white beasts with white leftists early on in my career. And when I realized that all I was doing was creating like a conflict content cycle, I was like, oh, I'mma just stop talking about these motherfuckers and just go make dope content. These motherfuckers still ain't past 4, 500,000 subscribers and I hit a million last year.

[A]

I use them niggas as marketing because

[B]

you got to be careful, because that's how you also get them trolls. Because motherfuckers fe. These are motherfuckers with no lies.

[A]

Yeah, it's unfortunate because I can't fathom it. So even before content, I was a full time truck driver. I always had something to do. And then I got Kids. So it's like, I get off the road, I'm fully engaged with them. Cause I've been gone, Right? So my life, even as simple as it was, it was very active and I always had something to do. But I can't really imagine that side of. I don't know what that looks like. I can imagine, like, it stinks. You know what I'm saying? I can imagine. Yeah.

[B]

Unmoisturized.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's very, like, same draws for three days, these type of vibes. And it is. It is that, though.

[B]

It is that.

[A]

You know, But I think when I say I use them for marketing is that I've already seen five videos that you made about me trying to get my attention. And so, of course, there's people, like, looking to see what the response is gonna be. So, like, I usually will give niggas one video. And I know y' all gonna eat for the off of that one video for weeks. Y' all gonna clip it to death. Y' all gonna clip it out of context to make y' all videos. And I'm never gonna say anything else about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I'm taking. I. I just realized I. I learned it early. Early on on TikTok. That. Like, that. That content beefing. Yeah. Will drive engagement.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But it will drive away direction.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you'll lose direction. And then now, when you finally post a video about something you really wanna talk about, nobody is engaged.

[B]

They're there for the drama. And not only they're there for the drama, they also waiting on you to fuck up for real. So they can get in your ass.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Cause that's what they came there like, so many, you know, the Bad Bunny performance. Right. And really, is anything political where you gotta ruin people fun. And I'd be trying to do it.

[A]

I hate run. I hate running the fun. I haven't done it yet, but I will.

[B]

Yeah. I'm getting better at it.

[A]

I specifically chose not to say anything about the Bad Bunny performance because, for one, he makes good music.

[B]

I have never heard.

[A]

Okay. So I actually, over the last two weeks, it was like. Well, I was looking. I was like, this nigga is overly famous. Like, he's huge. He's. Yeah.

[B]

And I was, like, out of touch.

[A]

So I'm not the demographic that he's aiming for. I'm not Spanish speaking. And also, like, he has a whole southern continent on his side. Right? So I was like, man, I'm gonna check this dude out. And you can ask Big Cat. Like, I've Been listening to this. I don't know what he's saying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That shit is a vibe, though. That shit is vibey as fuck. Yes.

[B]

I don't know what's happening, but it sound good. My wife knew it, and I went

[A]

to go watch the halftime. I didn't watch the NFL. I don't watch sports, so. And then I was also like, I thought we was off the NFL, but whatever. That's conversation. It's a conversation for another day. Conversation for another day. So. I go watch the YouTube and I'm like, oh, this is good, though. This is. This is. It's good that these artists, especially the last two, who may not be the most savvy or vocal about politics outside of their music. Right. They may be very political, politically charged in their music, which is like a Kendrick of Bad Bunny, but I'm glad they used their performance to tell a story of colonialism.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In. In such a way, like, if you have this many eyes, at least, if they don't understand what you're saying, so to speak. Because a lot of people don't understand what Kendrick is saying either. True. Even if they do speak English, but what you can tell, what you can read is the story that they're telling visually. And I appreciated the fact that these people are using these platforms where they know they got a lot of eyes to tell visual stories that are, like, political.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't understand how y' all hate the system. And every year it gets bigger. This is where my crossroads is.

[B]

Because these don't hate the system like they say they do.

[A]

Yeah. And. And I even was like, I'm gonna just watch it on YouTube. That's still what it is. But I make money off YouTube, so I go watch it in my. I won't give the money directly to the network with my attention, son.

[B]

Well, yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It's all going funneling back to the same shit. We're all, like, compromised in that aspect. We can't escape it unless we just stop.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Or it goes away.

[A]

Or it goes away.

[B]

It's captured our community and attention. I still watch football. I'm a huge Bears fan. Right.

[A]

That's real.

[B]

That is literally a part of my childhood that I engaged with before I understood what a multinational corporation that's a front for the military industrial complex.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

That's a front for a Zionist, you know, Like. Like, I couldn't understand that at 8 when the super bowl shuffle happened. Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? That's real though. But also too. You got Chicago like see, I don't have the. I don't have the.

[B]

The Falcons is up. Oh, he was in North Carolina.

[A]

Yeah. And then the Panthers ain't never been shit.

[B]

Yeah. And they got here like 97, you

[A]

know what I'm saying? That was brand new. I think the first super bowl that I vividly remember was the Titans coming up a yard short. I think it was what? 99.

[B]

That's 99. That's classic.

[A]

99. Rams versus Titans. Cause I was a big. What's your boy name? What's the running back?

[B]

Eddie George. No, the most football looking in football history.

[A]

Yeah. So I was a big. I'm. I'm a Madden baby.

[B]

Right?

[A]

So I'm a big Eddie George and Marshall fought fan. So I really don't care who win either way. But even at nine years old, because the Titans had a black quarterback, I wanted him to win because my dad was like, yeah, N. We might get Steve McNair.

[B]

But on this like going back to the halftime show, right? It was a comment I responded to just last night. Cause I was getting at. So the halftime show shit, it's dope that we have something there that can be a jumping off point for people, right? Nobody. People didn't know that Ricky Martin was singing a song about colonialism in that piece. Yeah, I didn't know. Cause I don't. You know, especially with brown anti colonial activity, I don't know shit about that. I'll be in my own business, right? So it was dope. I was like, okay, now we got stuff to say. Cause there's a lot of conversations to have with Latino Americans about certain shit. So dope. We got jumping off points.

[A]

I'm gonna translate this real nigga.

[B]

Right? But it's also important to understand how it's all still controlled and captured and that these people are stopping just close enough to confronting Empire to be safe. Because if they really confronted Empire in those moments, and that's when you get into the spoiler mode where people start getting mad at you when you tell them when they start really confronting Empire, they will take you off the board, period.

[A]

Yeah. Because really confronting Empire in that moment would have been starting a performance and stopping.

[B]

Right, Right. Just, just. All right, that's the end of the show.

[A]

Literally. Like we're gonna do the Mannequin Challenge for the next. Cause it's only a 13 minute.

[B]

It's like 30 minutes.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's 13 minutes. Is it 13?

[B]

It feels long as hell.

[A]

It's 13 minutes. So they gotta squeeze like all of the hits and a story into 13 minutes, which is an eternity in social media land. But yeah, it's 13 minutes.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Imagine two minutes in, they just say,

[B]

yeah, yeah, that's it.

[A]

We done.

[B]

You know, we stand with. Insert a multitude of people here. You got Sudan, you got Iran.

[A]

We stand with the globe.

[B]

The globe. We got. We stand with N in San Francisco. You know what I'm saying? So many things they could have did. And so it doesn't happen. And that don't mean bad bunnies bad. Yeah.

[A]

And that's also like a lot to expect out of entertainers who, you know, the fear of rebellion is this. I'm going to be the only one who does it. And so if we say, let's go on a general strike and you the only one that don't show up to work, you the only one going to get fired.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And how embarrassing, how embarrassing is it to lose a job and then have to look for a job in an era in a climate right. Where black people are struggling to find a job?

[B]

I got home with advanced degrees that's been out of, out of work for over a year.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? That's embarrassing. Yeah. And it's also will make you conform. Yeah.

[B]

Do you have to get in line?

[A]

I have to. Because it's like, well, these niggas that be talking all this shit ain't shit.

[B]

Right. But so going back to the Super Bowl, Right? Yeah, the comment, it was a comment about like me basically being like, look, I love that these things are happening, but we also have to have the perspective that these things are allowed to happen. And somebody was like, you know, but we got somebody at the table advocate. I was like, who we got? I was like, Jay Z is not us at the table. He's just not.

[A]

Jay Z is a billionaire.

[B]

He's a billionaire. He doesn't represent our interests.

[A]

He's been a billionaire for 20 more plum. 20 plus years.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

This thing is not living the same life as us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then he was a rich street nigga.

[B]

Right? Right. This is a drug dealer.

[A]

This is literally the most capitalist you can be.

[B]

Exactly. So like expecting the way he moves to be in benefit of a P of people and against Empire. When he made a song called Empire, State of Mind is foolish. And that doesn't mean you have to dislike Jay Z. That's top five dead alive rapper. Anybody that says otherwise is either too young or too stupid to understand. But that doesn't mean you have to abide by the political stance that he makes because he's a billionaire and that you shouldn't engage with that internal paradox. The comments that piss me off the most is people that vague post about why they don't like you because you're too extreme or, you know, it's too. You be going too deep. Cause what that tells me is that you know exactly what I'm saying and it bothers the shit out of you, but you don't know what to say back. So you just mad that I said it, which is ironic because it'll be the same. Niggas would be like, I'm entitled to my opinion, though. I'm just saying, though. And it's like, yeah, you entitled to your opinion. It's wrong. Here's why.

[A]

And it's what I go back to. Articulate the disagreement.

[B]

Articulate the disagreement.

[A]

And. Well, and the other thing is this, is that we. I'm 35, bro. I've been like inundated with pop culture since I could remember.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean? And I love talking about it. I also am aware of what it is at this stage of my life. And I do understand, understand it's all bread and circus. Like the bread and circus of it all. I understand that Jay Z doesn't have a connection to me personally, but he has a connection to me culturally.

[B]

Right?

[A]

So. And those things matter. You know what I mean? So.

[B]

And it's valuable too, but we have to remain critical of it.

[A]

We have to remain critical of it because we are talking about a class war too.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And the way that the top, the upper class controls the lower class is oftentimes through entertainment, which our video about Charlie Kirk spoke to is a cultural warfare. And then we have to also understand that it's very ironic to at a period of time when ICE is all the talk, have a Spanish speaking performer only perform in Spanish, which looks like a fuck you to the system.

[B]

Right? But the system, it's called Jester assignment,

[A]

but it perpetuates the system, paves the way for it. So it looks as if it's improving.

[B]

It alleviates some of that sting. It's gonna be like if shit popped. A video was released today about a woman in Chicago that got shot five times by ice. She survived thankfully. But we feeling a little better right now.

[A]

Well, yeah, and a little relief. And the bigger part of it is that the people who, you know, you got different browns that they get against you got the terrorist browns and you got the Cartel Browns. And the Cartel Browns were under attack. And the Cartel Browns got to do the Super Bowl. That's the way that these niggas look at it. Just like we're hip hop Blacks, right? Yeah, you got hip hop Blacks, and then you got brunch blacks. So you know what I'm saying?

[B]

You said hip hop black something. Last year with kids.

[A]

Hip Hop Blacks got something. Next year we're gonna have. We're gonna get the Cartel brand or something.

[B]

Tyler Creators next year.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

We gotta start the bunch black.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got something for the new Negroes. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, Tyler the creator performing next year would not be shocking.

[B]

That's actually exactly what it's probably gonna be. Damn. I'm mad that we. I'll be right. I be. I hate being right early like that.

[A]

I'll be telling. I'm never wrong. I'm just early.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I'd be seeing this and it wouldn't make sense.

[B]

And y' all could do it, too, if you just allowed yourself to be critical of what you love N Love shit. And they wanna keep that childlike joy.

[A]

Okay, so how about this? This aspect of it, right? I like J. Cole's new album. And people was like, I thought you hated J. Cole. I was like, I never said I hated him.

[B]

You gotta hate J. Cole. Everybody hates J. Cole.

[A]

And I was like. I said just. Cause I was critical of him. I don't like how he handled the beef. Cause I actually was cool with you walking away. This seems like a very J. Carl thing to do, is be conflicted by a decision and then be like. But ultimately make the decision that leans on embarrassing, but is more so about him and having his own integrity.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I respect that shit.

[B]

I loved that.

[A]

I did. I don't like Port San Antonio. You can't.

[B]

I'm a little. I'm way more gracious with Port Antonio than others. But I also.

[A]

But you get it, though.

[B]

But I get why niggas is like, you're lame for that. It was lame to me.

[A]

It's like me and you in an argument right here on this block. And you be like, you know what? You got it, bro. And I'm gonna go on the next block and be like, man, I would've beat that nigga ass. Like, what are you talking about, cuz? You was right over there on the block. You told him he got it after you started it.

[B]

But those are all facts.

[A]

Those are all facts. Yeah. So this is the thing. But I fuck with him.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I've been a fan of this nigga. And so what I explained to this person is, like, I can be critical of artists that I like. I'm not a stand like you niggas.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So this nigga is not Jesus to me. This nigga is a human. He's not above criticism. If J. Cole. J. Cole is a fan of this show. Right. I met J. Cole the other night, though. He spoke so highly to me, and, like, he spoke life into me, bro. That was one of the realest shit ever. I'm pretty sure he seen shit on my show. He like, I don't really like that. It didn't stop him from watching it. He just doesn't have a public platform where he speaks to the public. So his criticisms aren't right. You know, he don't have to live in that. They're packaged in albums. You know what I mean? And I think the thing is, like, oh, y' all be Stan and shit.

[B]

It's Stan Culture.

[A]

Y' all get married to shit.

[B]

That's our new religion, Stan Culture. Damn.

[A]

I fuck with Jay Z. I also know you like a staunch capitalist, and you only do what's in the best interest of the best interest of your pockets, nigga. Yeah, Jay Z was probably like, you know, this art shit going on.

[B]

Let's get. Let's get.

[A]

Y' all get the Bad Bunny, for one. We gonna get the whole South America on our side.

[B]

Right? Right.

[A]

And they gonna get the cartel be included.

[B]

We gonna. Because at the end of the day, every super bowl, they wave the American flag.

[A]

You dig what I'm saying?

[B]

They say, we are American. Kendra did it. Beyonce did it. Bad Bunny did it.

[A]

Great. Great contrast is the whites saying they're bullshit. Oh, we're gonna have the all American super, bruh. Like, fuck y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Because here's the other thing, too. The NFL allows that as well, because we could just, by you saying halftime show, we could have shut your whole shit down. You see how they did In Living Color?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They never let that happen again, brother. They said, you know what y' all niggas wanna have In Living Color? We finna go get Michael Jackson, brother. You know what I'm saying? Oh, shit. Stop. Let's stop talking about the elites. Let's stop talking about the elites.

[B]

Right? Right. That shit would have scared me straight.

[A]

They got a mosquito. They got a mosquito drawn in his Meals on Monday.

[B]

Ready. Like, I saw this nigga deontay cow die in front of me from a light that was clearly, clearly so rigged.

[A]

Okay? Clearly.

[B]

Okay? These niggas is really powerful.

[A]

So listen, nigga sent a mosquito drone to knock the light down. But here's the thing, too. It's. It's just like walking chew bubblegum. People say this. If I say anything that's like, that's the opposite of the philosophy of Yoruku. They'd be like, you obviously didn't read that book. I did, nigga. I'm not married to the book. Yeah, I still have my own book.

[B]

Got some weird moments.

[A]

It got some moments, bro. You know what I'm saying? Wretched of the Earth is also from a man who's, like, in extreme captivity. Like, let's kill these niggas. Like, what are we talking about? So I got some of that in me, too. It's just not gonna be all there, because here's the thing. Like, Fred Hampton lived in a different time than us. You niggas wasn't outside with Fred Hampton, so you not gonna have his same family.

[B]

That outside don't even exist.

[A]

It don't exist anymore, bro.

[B]

And it's not even. It's not going to. So I get.

[A]

We have to constantly update our theories, and we have to constantly update what our, like, status quo is. As far as, like, the people that y' all want to call radicals, we have a unique position in that we're considered black radicals, but, like, we're of the times, bro. So I could pull from history, but I also have to deal with modern culture and modern America, right? As it is. I can't, like, I can't cosplay revolutionary, right?

[B]

And you shouldn't. And that's like. And that's the thing that I struggle with that. Because radicalism is just some shit that happened to pop up because of that shit I was saying earlier, my experiences in the system, right? And so, like, that made me be amenable to this shit that had been missing. That made me be amenable to go back and study what the Panthers really did and go back and read Wretched of the Earth for myself instead of for a class, et cetera. But the thing that is important is that the radical position is the only moral position that exists right now in society, period. Is the radical position to be against empire? Not we want our fair share. Not we want our piece of the pie? Not we, too, are American. Like, no. Empire must fall, period. However, we are not in the 1960s, where we have a. Even in the 1960s, people like Malcolm and the Panthers were not universally popular among black people because most black People were trying to just survive.

[A]

And because this is post integration, right? So now I have to, like, the world is new. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

I talked to one of my uncles because they was in Chicago. Like, they was in Chicago with Fred. And I know because I got uncles that went to college and was like, yeah, this money, this capitalism, this job is all me. And I got aunts and uncles that was like, all right, y' all need to give us some money so we can keep this. This revolution shit popping as much as possible. And they straight up told me, like, yeah, it was. I was tired of being broke. I was tired of. I was tired of being poor. I was tired of being beaten down. And they gave us enough. This is a quote from Nixon. I'm a fuck up, so I apologize for fucked up this quote again. Well, actually, radicals in the crowd. Nixon said, we need to replace black radicalism with black economics with black capitalism. We need to get niggas off the revolutionary shit and into the LLCs, into their buy black, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And I can't be the truly beautiful radical butterfly that I would like to be in my head, cuz the reality is that platform is dead. And I'm like, we are the best that black radicalism has in the public sphere right now. And neither of us can truly live up to that legacy without a structure around us, without a public attitude towards radicalism that allows it to breathe. When I compare. In my video about Beyonce, when I compare Beyonce to Nina Simone, the thing I ended with is, like, Nina Simone had a whole movement around her to be like, fuck all of y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Fuck this shit. I'm Mississippi. Goddamn strange, you know what I'm saying? Like. Like, she had a movement that made that possible and made her comfortable in that position. And she still died poor in Europe because of how it is. And so we have to.

[A]

Yeah, because they're not gonna incentivize you. And the thing is, is that we also live in a society that doesn't listen to broke people. So it's cool to be broke on TikTok year one. It's not cool to look like you still broke on TikTok year two. Year three, you better show some major improvements in lifestyle so we have something to tear down. This is the cycle that I've noticed. Like, they want you to get the success. They want to say, we made the right person famous. Now let's destroy this shit.

[B]

Yeah. And who next?

[A]

Who's next? That's the system that's the. That's the cycle of consumerism, too. And when we go from people to product, it is a jarring thing for us. The things that I've heard about.

[B]

So crazy.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. The things I've heard about myself, first of all. Yeah, bro. Yeah, bro. Like, I, I. I don't sympathize, so to speak. Just like, in theory, I sympathize with, like, celebrities in the sense of, like, niggas will put shit on you, bro. Like, they will. Yeah. Brad being an agent, but a child of God. My. Yeah. I'm a shield for the Democrats. Yeah. Democratic shield.

[B]

Black men, too.

[A]

I'm an agent. I'm a paid lgbtq. The Jews paid operative is crazy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, bro, listen, bro, listen. I ain't gonna hold you to all my. That think I sold my soul for whatever reason. I need more than a podcast. Trust me. If I sold myself, I'd be doing this shit from a yacht.

[B]

Right? I need a tv.

[A]

I'd still be talking about the system, too. Fuck America, nigga. On the yacht.

[B]

On the yacht.

[A]

Yeah, nigga. Y' all think this country loves us, nigga.

[B]

Right? Right. Get out the shop, baby. Get out the shot.

[A]

Not here. Put the cocaine away, bitch. We radicals right now.

[B]

We radicals right now. This is how I pay bills. Yeah. Like, and so. But we also have to. So the responsibility. I always want to put this out there to other. Cause I used the analogy the other night that it's 28. 3 right now when it comes to, like, this bullshit. And we the Patriots. No, no, Sorry to trigger the Falcons fans. I know that. I was there.

[A]

It's a great analogy. Listen, I want to hear this.

[B]

But the thing that is happening now, the fact that. But we are here.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Right. And we are putting on display and engaging with radical theories and politics in a way that makes us low key, targeted by our own people who fear what that might mean for their status quo, let alone the real powers that be that we aimed at the fact that we're here and we're building movements. Not gonna have a video about Charlie Kirk where I. I image him getting shot in the neck, and he gets 1.5 million views in a month

[A]

to a Nas. Like a classic Nas song. That's so hard.

[B]

Right, Right. I thank you. I was proud when that came to me. I was like, oh, this is about to go. They cut it.

[A]

They cut it.

[B]

If you're looking for the original intro, because if you go watch that video and it's not on Nebula. Shout out to Nebula sponsorship. You not gonna see the original intro of with Nas. They shooting at it. Because Nas or Columbia, whoever the owners was like, nah, nigga. And I understand it ain't.

[A]

That shit was so hard, though. Like, I caught it when it first dropped.

[B]

I was like.

[A]

Cause I'm a notification bell to people I really like. So when it dropped, I seen it. I was like, oh, he killed this.

[B]

But literally the fact that. The fact that that can exist.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it. And. And like shout out to Roland Martin and all these other OG political niggas on. On YouTube. They. They don't. They can't fuck with me right now now. They can't. That's why, like, I. I've had niggas in my DMs talking about. We talked about this, but I've had niggas in my DMs talking about, you know, what's up with this pod? What's up with the podcast? And be like, ah, I'm good. I don't really with. I don't. I don't really with y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Platform too tough, you know? And then, then niggas disappear. It is what it is. The fact that that's a thing means that the situation is different than people think it is. And it means that we're on. The shit is on the menu right now. These white folks collected, they say 20,000, way more than that for a general strike in Minnesota. All white folks in 10 degree below weather a couple of weeks ago. Now, it took a white man getting shot like a nigga in the street on cam to do it. But I was also there 10, 15 years ago when we were marching for the genes six, you know what I'm saying? Well, that's. Is that 20 years ago?

[A]

Yeah, 20 years ago. That was 2006.

[B]

But you get my point though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That didn't get no news coverage. So what I'm trying to get it at, what I'm trying to get at is that there's a steady growth in momentum happening of. With. I'm gonna just say liberation minded people in this country of all walks of life. And the thing for our role, our real role is to constantly push needles, constantly be a funnel. Like I always, I always go, I always stop just short, but I always point to the nigga that you need to get to next. Yeah, I'm like, you know, my shit is cool. My shit is dope. Have you peaked the homie Anansi? Anansi Library, who's a creator I like on YouTube. That doesn't have the same size platform I have. Or my boy Andrewism, who's an outright anarchist in the Caribbean who does only anarchist theory videos on YouTube. You know what I'm saying? You can't stop with me. You can't stop with us. But since we're here, let me make a path for you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cause I can only give you so much on a podcast that's gonna be popular. You know what I'm saying? If you really bout that shit, you gonna dig into it and a lot of people not. But the more people that we kind of like fertilize and circulate within the area same, the easier it is to say some radical shit.

[A]

Well, yeah, because it's normal. It becomes normalized and it becomes, it takes the scary, scary aspect of it away. Because like, you know, my episode that came out yesterday was about like, I was like, nigga, I'm not trying to put a picket sign in my front yard. I'm trying to put a guillotine in their front yard. Like. And I'm like, I'm dead ass. But I'm joking. But I'm dead ass. Yeah. Because it's like, jk, jk. Because. Well, because like the thing is, is like it does get to a point where these people, like, you have to realize these people don't care about your words or your protest.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

If anything, the more you. The more words and protests they hear and see, the more they ramp it up. And we are obviously living in a time where they are losing power and control because of things that are being exposed against them. So now they don't have like the rose colored glasses that most people use.

[B]

People are.

[A]

Yeah. People looking at them different. And it's gone from theory to fact.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's. There's a scramble. You know, this is the most beautiful thing about your video that, that caught realization for me weeks later. I was like, oh, this Turning Point USA thing can't exist without Charlie Kirk. That's why it's such a big hit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They took down an entire organization.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because what they're doing now is clown show.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, shout out to Erica Kirk.

[A]

Yeah, shout out. Man, I've never seen dead or eyes in my life. This is a. This is a fucking assassin. She's got the eyes of a stone cold killer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And shout out to the good people of Romania for banning her

[B]

for sex trap.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like for trafficking.

[A]

Trafficking. Yeah.

[B]

No, no lawyers involved.

[A]

For trafficking. Yeah, yeah, just trafficking. But allegedly they got her up out of there. So something Was going down. But the thing is, is that this is why I hooked up with the Jam so early. I saw it for them already because JJ is a brilliant debater. It's even better that he's put his. His. His team around him, because what they're doing is learning from each other, offering different perspectives, but also like pioneering the youth in radical thought.

[B]

Well, that looks normal to them.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It don't sound crazy to them to criticize a black political figure who's on some bullshit.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Cause they've been watching people stream about it for years. Shout out to ishowspeed. Low key. Yeah, it's a little buffoonish adjacent.

[A]

Sometimes it gets there. Sometimes. I think early on.

[B]

Especially early on.

[A]

But I think for me, what I've come to realize is that we also have to understand that these are young men inundated in the same system that we had to break our mind. Our minds were.

[B]

And we didn't have no cameras on.

[A]

We didn't have no cameras. So he's doing what comes natural. And I, you know, I've done clown shit several times in my youth. I just didn't have anybody recording me.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But the way that he's chosen to elevate constantly. And this. The light he shined on Africa was amazing.

[B]

Yeah. Beautiful.

[A]

You know what I mean? It was beautiful. And I think what you did. What he did is destigmatize whatever idea we had about that. He showed the richness of their culture. He showed that they over there getting money too.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They ain't living in huts and things like that. And a lot of those practices.

[B]

I do wish he went to the huts a little bit more because they got their own brush problems.

[A]

That part too, though, I think the aspects he did show just show that

[B]

it's like, at least we gotta start somewhere.

[A]

We gotta start somewhere. Yeah. And for me, what it shows is that there's a lineage of tradition.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That leads to. Ultimately leads to an advancement in society through capitalism and through. You know, if we get a little deeper through place figures, you know what I mean? Like, topple government. Place figures go here. You know what I'm saying? The whole thing with Nigeria about, like, power and generators, like the generator cartel, you know, whatever.

[B]

Yeah. It's. I mean, the neocolonial. What the west has done with neocolonialism and Africa, South America, Asia, like, we can't even get there until. I gotta start from Bad Bunny before I can even get there.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

And you. Well, I don't have to, but if I wanna reach as many people as possible.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

That's the best way to do it.

[A]

And I think the beautiful thing about Bad Bunny is just like he started in the sugarcane fields, he starts there. This is a story now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's art. Art is powerful. It's very. And it's supposed to be political. Yeah, I'm tired of that. Arts for art's sake is bullshit because it don't exist.

[B]

Low key.

[A]

It doesn't exist. At least not good art, not great art. You know what I mean? If you know Andy Warhol's pop heart is pop. Art is bullshit. It's art for art's sake. And it's bullshit.

[B]

And that's why everybody famous got want one. It became a. Any. Andy Warhol was the first meme. Lord.

[A]

That's what that is, what it is. Low key. He created me.

[B]

Nigga was selling bitcoins into NFTs.

[A]

He was like, whatever money he was washing, God help him. Jesus Christ. But he realized, like, oh, I hook up with this young black artist, I'm gonna be lit forever. And a lot of their art collabs was garbage. But I think because Basquiat has to exist on his own.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Right. And to the point that we made in the beginning is that Basquiat plus heroin addiction that kills him is fine because of how great the art is. I mean, you know what I'm saying? It's always ever present in existence. But black people in this country are afforded space to create and destroy.

[B]

Right. And never control.

[A]

Never in control. Yeah. Exactly.

[B]

Which is which. I don't know how much time we got.

[A]

No, we could. We could roll.

[B]

Okay. Cause that brings into Tyler Perry, okay. The people are looking for this video to be making fun of the bad wigs and the bad movies. And I do that. It's a good. It's a darn near right now. It's four hours long. I'm gonna try to get it down to three and a half, but I spend the first chunk in the last chunk of it breaking down Tyler Perry's unique position in media as a black man who owns his own state of the art studio and thinking about how awful it is that this man has not empowered any other black artists with the resources that he's gotten because of us, that he could like. Everybody talked about sinners. I love sinners. You know, I could make a bunch of anti capitalist critiques of cinders if I wanted to. I did a little bit. But, like, everybody made all this big deal about how Cougar got This great deal from Warner Brothers. He could have got a better deal from Tyler. He could have. And probably put in some even more realist shit that he have to cut because a white studio exec was like, this makes me uncomfortable. You know what I'm saying? Like, well, I think about the original Black Panther and how many bad political things are in that, despite the fact that I love that movie. That don't come from. I don't think that comes from Coogler low key. I think that comes from the fact that he knows much like a Bad Bunny or Kendrick at the super bowl, he can only do so much. But you got Tyler with a state of the art studio bigger than anything. Literally bigger. And I've been on Paramount's lot bigger than, like, these other lots that exist for these white institutions. And aside from his TV shows and his movies, don't nothing black get made there. And that, to me, that's the craziest thing in the world.

[A]

What do you think it is, though?

[B]

He don't give a fuck.

[A]

He only cares about what's gonna make money. Cause he does very benevolent things, too.

[B]

Yeah, he does a lot of. And that's kind of the key thing.

[A]

That's my, like, that's my holdup. It's like, God damn, I could be critical of him. But he also does do the thing that niggas say they want done.

[B]

He does the easy thing for him that allows the structure to be maintained. It's easy to. He does drug dealer give. He does drug dealer giveaways, essentially.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

I'm sorry.

[A]

No, that hurts.

[B]

But that's real.

[A]

No, that is real.

[B]

Yeah, he does.

[A]

That's what he does.

[B]

He does drug dealer giveaways. If you're a billionaire, it ain't nothing for you to.

[A]

That's what Shaq did in college. Yeah, Shaq doing some drug dealer giveaways to hide the freaky shit.

[B]

Right? That's what Cosby did. You know, Cosby put a lot of young ladies through college that didn't end up on the list of events.

[A]

Yeah, man. You want Shaq's big feet to show up in your Instagram photos, bruh? I seen it several times, son. I'm like, shaq, come on. Huh? But he gonna be like, I'm gonna go to Walmart and buy the whole community flat screens. It's like.

[B]

And so, like, I don't. And I don't denigrate that.

[A]

Nah, it's all. It's a balance.

[B]

Like the internal colonial state of black people is that we can't look gift. We can't look charity. We can't look at that in the mouth and be like, that's some bullshit. We need that.

[A]

No, we definitely need that.

[B]

We definitely need that.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

But we. That don't mean.

[A]

But a Tyler Perry could invest $2 million in an FD signifier and take you to a whole nother fucking level.

[B]

I could.

[A]

No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, in theory, I would love What's.

[B]

What's. What's Issa Rae. What's Boozo Rae?

[A]

Media hooray.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? Like, any of them, instead of them having to go, you know, beg and fight for budgets from hbo and they

[A]

could go to Tyler Perry and get.

[B]

Tyler Perry could be like, yo, I got you. Let's have this meeting. Let's set up this deal. It's gonna make money.

[A]

He wanted n to let him nigg.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like, niggas was like, you nigging too hard, nigga. Too hard. You nigga too hard. Why is Michael Ealy throwing babies out the window? We doing a lot.

[B]

And that's the other thing. It's about control. He. And it's controlled because, like, that's where his money really come from. Cause if you think about it.

[A]

Cause he sells trauma.

[B]

But, like, trauma is not that lucrative if you gotta split it. Does that make sense?

[A]

No. Explain that.

[B]

So in my research, Tyler Perry movies don't. His top movie made like $90 million. He spent 20 million on all of them, adjusted for inflation, et cetera, et cetera. Average movie make about 50. That ain't a billionaire. It's not a billionaire. TV deal worth 200. 200 mil. Okay, cool. We closer now. Studio worth 400. 300. Okay, we closer now. But if I gotta split that with other writers, with producers, with directors, with people that own shit. That movie you just mentioned, for color Girls, this is the last shit I found out when I was doing this video. He. That movie. The rights to direct, that black woman had it. I don't remember her name right now. Shout out to sister if you can. I'm gonna text that to you. Cause I don't wanna. Cause her name was. It was hard to pronounce. And I don't wanna fuck it up in a moment.

[A]

Right? Yeah, that's real.

[B]

So. But, like, she had the rights to that movie from Lionsgate Studios for seven months. She had talked to the original author, she had a script. She had gotten all the actresses on board, but she couldn't get it. Over the hump. So Lionsgate, who had a deal with Tyler Perry already, that's what all his movies went through early on, was like, tyler Perry, fuck with this dope. He was like, yeah, if I can write and direct it, if I own all parts of it, if it's a Tyler Perry production, I'd do it. So he took this black woman off this seminal black feminist text so that it became a Tyler Perry production. Put a whole bunch of weird shit in it.

[A]

Oh, you doing the bending.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Shit.

[A]

But the thing is, is. Yeah, I think you're right. It's a very selfish game, too.

[B]

Yeah. And, you know, it's the hyper capitalist and all. That's the hyper capitalist.

[A]

That's where it becomes hyper capital. Because the thing is, is that, okay, Jay Z, Freestyle funk Flex, the corporate takeover, the. I'm getting caught it by the bosses that go the needles, like, he calling them snakes. But that's where he learned.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. He was. He. He went to the meeting, he saw, he signed it.

[A]

And here's the thing about information. Once you're aware, you see where to apply. That's just the up thing about it is I know how to be more capitalist now than I ever have before.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because there's more avenues for money. I make a conscious choice to not monetize every aspect of my life, Right. But in the industry that I'm in, it's always encouraged, Right.

[B]

They looking at you funny.

[A]

Yeah. Like, you leaving money on the table.

[B]

You should have a network. You should. You should own your man. When I first started blowing up and getting around white folks, yeah, bro, they

[A]

was like, you leaving money? Cause I don't do male enhancement products or gambling. And I won't. I refuse to advertise those things. And they look at me like, nigga, you leaving, like $50,000. I don't give a fuck, because I.

[B]

Gambling is killing niggas, bruh.

[A]

Do you understand? For every house that it affords me, there's a nigga losing theirs.

[B]

Right? Right.

[A]

I'm cool. I'm still paying rent.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah. These kids. I can pay for that soccer program.

[A]

You dig what I'm saying? My kids want to go to boxing. They start boxing in a few weeks. Great.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? It pays for gymnastics. Great. I'm not trying to buy a mansion off of selling niggas. This is dick weed, bruh. And also too despair, bruh. Don't understand the dark side of gambling. Like, yeah, you. You Imagine. Imagine how many niggas had to tell their wives, like, yeah, the house gone, baby.

[B]

Right. Prospect, you know, I was supposed to take you out this week. It ain't got. Right. Oh. Project on the house is the extreme.

[A]

It is.

[B]

Most niggas is just losing. They take your girl out. Money.

[A]

Exactly. And that. And that's it.

[B]

And they be in your comment section talking about black women.

[A]

Yeah. And it's like, you know, so when she say, like, why can't you take me out? Or why haven't you take me out? It's like, you don't understand what I'm going through. You know, I'm standing stress. But it's like, nigga, you. It's the purple pee, right? The purple pee is why you take me.

[B]

The purple pee.

[A]

Love.

[B]

It does not sound like a drug. For real. Cause it is.

[A]

Cause it is.

[B]

Cause gambling has the highest. Is the. One of the. What was the fact. It's the highest rate of suicide side of all the different.

[A]

Yeah. Because it's playing with your money in a different way. There is no.

[B]

It's not just up.

[A]

It's not a euphoria there. You dig what I'm saying? Yeah. Crack may destroy your family, but it makes you feel amazing. Losing, for one. The addiction is losing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's what it is. Yeah. It's the.

[B]

It's not even winning. It's the. It's the losing and wanting to get back to equilibrium.

[A]

Trying to get back, you know, it's the. It's the. It's the. This next one. So it's a probability thing. And a foot I'm thinking about. Probability is. In order for it to work, you have to lose a bunch of times.

[B]

Right. And if you win too much, they actually kick you off those apps.

[A]

You see what I'm saying? So here's another thing. I was walking out the gas station today and white dude with a scratch off, I was like, you want us something? Jokingly, he's like, man, this store, they just don't sell winning tickets. I'm like, all right, okay. He doesn't understand. He's. He's knee deep. But this is a working class person, bro. He's got on a construction. He got on the orange shirt.

[B]

Every moment is an opportunity to change his life and his.

[A]

And. Exactly. And that's really what it is, is because he may not mind working hard, but the thing is, is that most people don't see the value of their hard work. And the company that they work for

[B]

sees all that because capitalism extracts that value to a nigga to try to get you to promote dick pills and gambling.

[A]

You see what I'm saying?

[B]

And then they come and they turn back on somebody else podcast and be like, you know, the problem is, you guys, businesses don't work hard enough. You don't think like bosses, and you

[A]

don't think like bosses. Like, you spending 60 hours a week working for another man. And you can say, put another 20 in that. Working on your business or working on your dream. You spend 60 hours a week building somebody else's dream. And this podcast is sponsored you by prize Picks. And it's like, what the fuck, nigga? What the fuck? Or is it the same podcast? Here's his podcast. You know, women, the modern woman, she wants everything and she wants to give you nothing. Her. Her thing is her money is her money. Your money is her. Your money is her money. This podcast is sponsored by BlueChew. Like, what are we? So the hating woman. The hating women also want your dick to be hard.

[B]

They do. For no reason. Because none of they should call it the scaring the hoes pill.

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

Because the one thing that.

[A]

Can you imagine, like, being intimate with your old lady and just be like, hold on, let me get this pill.

[B]

No, no, thank God. Let me hold up.

[A]

This is where the beat. This podcast is sponsored by Beet juice, brother. Beet juice and push ups.

[B]

Right? Beet juice and good circulation.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? It's all blood flow, baby.

[B]

All blood flow.

[A]

It's all blood flow.

[B]

The game and less porn. Less porn.

[A]

Less porn. The game is 60% mental, brother.

[B]

Right, right, right. Yeah.

[A]

Now that's why that's. We can really start popping that one, right?

[B]

Can we get. Can we?

[A]

Can we. If you can get the blood to flow down there naturally, you'll be all right. You're gonna be good.

[B]

The problem also is.

[A]

And stop watching. Please stop watching so much porn.

[B]

The. The porn is. That's. That's one of my next projects. I ain't gonna be able to put it on YouTube. I just.

[A]

And so then here's the thing. The Bluechew. What. What is the blue True falls through. What if the play falls through? What if the girl say, you're gonna hate me? Pornhub. Pornhub.

[B]

Pornhub.

[A]

And then.

[B]

And then alpha male podcast. Make them feel better about this.

[A]

Yeah, because the shame of.

[B]

Yeah, because now she emasculated him.

[A]

Even though it's a vicious cycle, man.

[B]

And that's why I be trying to hold space for some of these motherfuckers in my comment section, I'm talking about black women. Like, look, you non dick working, scaring the hoes ass nigga.

[A]

Like, yeah, man, it's not about that.

[B]

Be normal, fam.

[A]

Just be cool, brother. Like, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

Just be cool. Cause people say I'm not cool.

[A]

Nah. Yeah. Not actually like, nah. I'm saying be cool. Like, bruh, chill out, chill out, chill out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y' all niggas be being a shit.

[B]

I just want to put that out there. That, like, you know, I was not Mr. Bitches in high school.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? When I got to, you know, when I got to college, I had to have a couple of ugly Ls with women before I was like, oh, okay. All right. So we're gonna check this behavior off the list. We gonna develop this skill set. We gonna figure these things out. We gonna talk to more girls. And then eventually, I kind of figured things out.

[A]

Yeah. Cause genetically, some n get to start at a 10.

[B]

They do.

[A]

They do. Some niggas gotta start with twos.

[B]

One of my homeboys.

[A]

Cause niggas don't understand, too. Like, your behavior will scare a two away. Yes. And this antiquated visual aspect of some women being tens and some women being twos.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But in my mind, y' all tens.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

This podcast is sponsored to you by Panda Express.

[B]

My wife is an 11.

[A]

Pop your shit king. Valentine's Day is coming.

[B]

Valentine's Day coming up. I gotta stop.

[A]

This is the way that capitalism has put a price on love. It has. God damn. All right, let's keep going. I don't know what he was talking about.

[B]

You ain't went. All of us. It's dope. It was something.

[A]

Oh, Tyler Perry.

[B]

I mean, I kind of said I gave away the hook.

[A]

Yeah, give away the hook.

[B]

But I gave away the twist at the end, which is his movies being bad is on purpose. Because if he has a captured audience that doesn't expect shit else from him.

[A]

And Christians are very easy to please.

[B]

They're very easy to please. Very difficult. Unless you're gay or, like, feminism too much, Christian's gonna be all right with you.

[A]

I wanna talk to you about something in that mode. I have notes about it, but let's keep going.

[B]

But the reason why his movies are bad is because he makes his movies. Like McDonald's makes burgers. And you can't have good wigs if you cut in corners. You can't have good writing if you the only writer. You can't have good direction if you want to film. He filmed Straw in four days, which is actually amazing. Right?

[A]

Four days. Yeah. But that's where the inconsistencies come from.

[B]

Right. That's probably his best time doing that bullshit and it working. But every other time it look a hot mess. And Straw still had some messy bullshit in it.

[A]

Yeah, it did. But also too, the idea of Straw was amazing.

[B]

I love the idea. If anybody should have a. I'm tired and I can't take in any more movie, it should be black women. I'm all for like set it off as one of my favorite all time bro.

[A]

It's such a good like. And it's a good film on paper, his execute. First of all, like, why did Tiana even need a wig? She's fine. She could have just went pixie cut and we'd have been fine. And also like, yo, like why was she act like her acting wasn't even good in that film. It was just weird. Like. Like I know that she's a great actress. We saw it in the other one

[B]

bad after the other.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

As much as I hate what she was doing overall in the movie.

[A]

Same.

[B]

It was really.

[A]

It was phenomenal.

[B]

It was really phenomenal. She deserves the award.

[A]

Yeah. You know, only pushback I had about the award is like Shorty was in a movie for like 15 minutes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Whereas her daughter gave a very strong performance in that film.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And you know, I think it's so

[B]

much icky stuff with that movie. The Hollywood machine.

[A]

The black woman.

[B]

Right. What you got to do to get recognized as a black woman. I always liked the movie, but hated that first 20 minutes in like on principle.

[A]

I know what they doing. Yeah. That was the thing. This is why I said I was like, I just hate the monsters ball of it all.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it doesn't take away from the fact that talent is talent. The acting was engaging. Her role in like in the film was like it set the president for the rest of the film, which was amazing. I liked the film. I liked it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

What I like even more is that smart people were breaking it down. And yeah. I with it because. Because, you know, this is a conversation about politics. This is like basically what it is. It's like it's carrying a conversation about how people start radical young and just kind of dwindle into.

[B]

I hated how. But it was based on a book where there's no black people. Right. And so like Paul Thomas Anderson's wife is light skinned. Damn near Passing Saturday Night Live. Maya Rudolph.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

That's his longtime partner. I don't think they actually married.

[A]

Okay, that makes sense.

[B]

And so I think he really wanted to put in some of this weird race play shit on his own. Like not on some. To not to be. Not cynical shit. Like that's probably some shit he's dealing with as a white man. You know, some of these white men love our women, but they feel weird about it because they don't know if they love it on some racist shit. And that's basically what that character was in the movie. In my life.

[A]

Yeah. She was a fetish.

[B]

It's like, do I love this woman or am I. Is this racial fetishism?

[A]

Yeah, because the Leo character loves her for her.

[B]

Right. The other guy.

[A]

The other guy is like extremely fetishizing her and what she represents to his position in the system.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Like he's supposed to hate her. Which is kind of turns him on.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's weird.

[B]

And that's weird. And so like that's interesting. I don't know if I want to see it. You know, I get it. There's an appealing story in there. I don't know if I want you to work out your racial fetishism issues in a two and a half hour, three and a half hour movie.

[A]

And then.

[B]

And then guys and weird.

[A]

It's a lot of strange things. The Christmas people.

[B]

Yeah. I actually love that. I loved how casual. Their white supremacy.

[A]

I liked it because it's like the subtleness of it all is the reality.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

People think that their norm.

[B]

Yeah. People think white supremacists because of these movies. Right. Because of that bad bunny. The bad Bunny of it all. No shade to bad bunny. But like how they manipulate the media. We are taught to imagine white supremacists as these foaming at the mouth crazed tiki torch.

[A]

Whatever. Because they're the turn. The white supremacy that works for America is turning Point usa.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The reality is it is the Christmases. It's regular, it's very dudes. It's a country club vibe. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[B]

Very much that. You know, it's a subtle small decision.

[A]

Hip hop blacks, you know what I mean?

[B]

Right. Versus the Obama blacks.

[A]

Yeah. And then they call it like, you know, the whole Epstein Jesus was a trick on niggers. Like whoa.

[B]

What?

[A]

Did you see that? No.

[B]

Oh, I've been avoiding Epstein shit.

[A]

I don't want to get caught up in it because I don't want it fucking with my algorithm.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It will bring There's a whole conversation that they're having where they say, you know, the hip hop blacks are easily.

[B]

Think about Jay Z.

[A]

Easily distracted by entertainers and celebrity. Right? And then you keep scrolling the feed and they discuss. They're discussing something about Christianity or something. Something surrounding the realm of religion as it is involved in government. And it was like, come on, man, Jesus was a trick on niggers.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

That's what it said. And I was like, so these niggas

[B]

is saying exactly what my uncles is saying. Your hotel uncles is right.

[A]

Nah, but listen, not about everything. Listen, listen. This is the thing though. The truth is in all of it, right? But it's like this has been my whole life is me cherry picking the parts that I know work.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And not only just work, but like, makes sense. Like I can, I can get from A to B on that and then B to C. Some of these niggas go A to X. And then it's like. But hold on, at B, it's like, it's like, bro, hold on. We skipped a lot. Yeah, we skipped a lot.

[B]

You can't convince a mother, you can't

[A]

come out and just say, Jesus is a trick on niggers. If you not well informed enough to know why we saying that? Because you say that to the average person that believe in Jesus, they're going to be more offended by niggers.

[B]

And our job is to point out how the black church during King's time was incredibly radical. Was solely black.

[A]

It was extremely.

[B]

Was leftist.

[A]

It was a radical institution.

[B]

It was an institution. And then going into Nixon, it was prosperity.

[A]

Yes, it was, Reverend Ike, nigga.

[B]

Right, right. It was.

[A]

Flip it. Let's get this money.

[B]

Get this money. Because now Jesus wants you to buy biz.

[A]

Well, Jesus needs you to support these white establishments.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

Because before, you need to calm the fuck down. Yeah, bruh, we did it. Yeah, we did it. We can go eat at the white diner. It's over.

[B]

You know, you can get you some nice shit, you can go to brunch and just keep these niggas with the tattoos and the locks out your brunch though, or they gonna fuck it up for everybody. Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? And that, like, I need to stretch my ears back out and get the gauges. So they got something else. Cause I had em before, but somebody excitingly ripped one out my ear while I was stretching it. And then it's just. Yeah, it's fucking up my aesthetic.

[B]

And that's another thing That I try to engage with is like. Like the fact that so many of the black voices are not niggas that didn't go to college. Is a problem. Yeah, is a prop.

[A]

It is because.

[B]

Because college in its function is a neocolonial framework. It's two T shirts. What's the term? Oh, fuck, I'm about to fuck it up. I'm a nigga that went to college, and I can't remember this shit right now. The academy. I think it's the term. The academy was the whole point of college. Let me just cut all that moment right there. The whole point of college was to civilize the uncivilized. That was the whole point. And. And while you can go to school and get you a black studies degree, you can go to school, get you a social studies degree, a sociology degree, a history degree, and come out extremely radical in a way that you maybe couldn't have without it. The fundamental you. The purpose of that is still to reify the empire.

[A]

Well, because look at what. Because look at the process, right, of the degree. The process of the degree is long hours studying mixed with some radical conversation. But I gotta get back because I gotta turn this paper in.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So it is conformity, Right. At a very high level. Because at the end of the day, we have tough professors. We have, you know, we're adulting.

[B]

Yeah. You know, where you meeting folks you're

[A]

trying to fast track into adulting. But acceptance is key. And. And because I. Because everything I do is for acceptance of these people that are above me and hold, like, my future in their hands. Yeah. It's a mass conformity, Right. In that sense. Right. So they're gonna go along like, I got the degree. I might as well get the job. I get the job, now I got to deal with white people in corporate spaces.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So you learn a lot about racism from these conformed people, which actually informs a lot of radical society. Because I don't know about microaggressions in the corporate world, but now I can recognize it in everyday life. So they're doing us a service as well, if they're willing to speak against the system.

[B]

And that means compromising their spot. Meanwhile, and this is Fanon amongst many others, will tell you, the motherfuckers that's on the ground in the streets, that's really like, I am not. When I leave here, I'm not worried about the police before I get to the crib. I'm not. I'm probably not in this area. I'm probably not Gonna see police.

[A]

That's real.

[B]

Until I get to a different side of town. And that's normal. Every nigga with a certain tax bracket, a certain. Especially a certain look, I don't necessarily have that. They're not worried about it. Like, some of my cousins are on the south side of Chicago. Some of my former students down. Going down Glenwood. Once you start getting towards Stone Mountain, you know what I'm saying? That real Decatur area, like, they're thinking of life very differently than me. So if I'm their voice for liberation, I can't represent them effectively. It has to be people who are actually within that that have a seat at the table. But bringing it back full circle. It's people like Attila Perry and a lot of these folks that are power brokers within black media that will only allow space for people who's. What they're doing. It may be pro black, it may be provocative. It may be some real shit. But it ain't really gonna challenge Empire. It's not at its real core. It's not gonna scare nobody. It's not gonna upset no apple carts for anybody that's writing checks.

[A]

That's real.

[B]

And that's partially because we get to. From my position specifically, you know, with my CAU hoodie on, I can appropriate hood shit if I want to. And the people that spend money wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

[A]

Yeah. Because they don't care. Because it's synonymous with black.

[B]

Yeah. They just love that it's here. Hood niggas would tell people really from that. Be like, that's not real. But they don't got the buying power to make a difference to whether or not I get paid or not for doing that. Some coon shit.

[A]

Yeah. So the same way that you break out of the establishment. Establishment of education and could be radical in a real way. That's not conforming. Because you've created independent media for yourself, which creates a platform. Is the same way that niggas look at me as a barbershop talker. But I'm the 1% of that that broke out of that world too. Like, I'm not limited to the way they speak. I actually challenge a lot of their ideals and shit too.

[B]

I've been in the barbershops.

[A]

Yeah. And I think the thing I tell people all the time is it's literally. Literally literature. It's just. That's all literally what it found. It comes down to is that you have to have an appetite for education, which I've always had. I just Understood structurally, I'm not gonna make it in this. Like this ain't for you. But never stop being curious and never being. You know, also there's some pattern recognition. There's some, you know, there's some innate skills. Yeah. Some deep analyzation. Like I know that like this is not going to be the everyday, average person. Right. But. But I can occupy spaces in the street and they know I'm from there.

[B]

And the streets is like from my perspective. In my experience, the streets are prone for that. The Panthers were gangsters.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Fred organized the streets. He didn't organize the community. He got the community college. My bad.

[A]

Well, so here's the thing. Like the average street nigga is already anti system. Cause he's anti cop.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So if it's.

[B]

They don't take.

[A]

It starts there. He's anti cop even before he has an encounter with the cops. Because he sees the cops like they're terrorists in those areas. They violate the constitutional rights of those people literally every day. That's their job. So it's about how far it goes and then how limiting it becomes. Because you on the underworld of capitalism. Right. So your life is all about money and structure. And it does exploit others, but it also is like, it's not adjacent to like. But you're not conforming to this shit.

[B]

You're innately against empire because the empire is what has tortured you most of your life.

[A]

Yeah. But you operate the underworld of the empire and if you do it really well, you come close to politicians.

[B]

My bad.

[A]

Hold on, let me get.

[B]

Actually, I don't know how to work my phone. I don't know what I just did. It's a homie going through some. I need to hit him.

[A]

Tell him we'll be done at 8:30. I got one more thing I want to. I want to discuss with you specifically. Good.

[B]

Yeah, you're good. It's.

[A]

Yeah. That life.

[B]

Yeah. Homies. Homies going through it.

[A]

Yeah. But I think there's a. There's like. Like I said like, like power. Right. He operates the underworld. He's found a way to legitimize the business. But then he becomes like invested buddy buddy with politicians. So now like you've literally become the thing you hate.

[B]

That proximity to whiteness.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it. And it's. So. Yeah. You may. You may still hate the police, but you fucking a police officer.

[B]

That's actually genius. Low key.

[A]

This is great.

[B]

It'll get enough credit for, you know, a lot of. A lot of them shits don't get enough credit for how actually radical they are if you have those ciphers. That's kind of our role is to be like, you know, you think this is just a dramatic, you know, turn, right? But the fact that the Wire, homie, that I just died a little while ago.

[A]

Mike Williams.

[B]

Mike K. Williams. What was his character name? I'm sorry, Omar. The fact that Omar died and, like, they fucked up his name because I watched the Wire late. I just watched Wire, like, a couple years ago when they fucked up his name and, like, they had to switch the name tag. I was like, oh, that's some. That's some powerful about, like, the. The meaninglessness of, like, dying in the streets over reputation. It's like niggas don't even remember you at your grave, you know?

[A]

Anyway, it is it. I think so. Everything is that deep. I think that that's something that should be normalized in, like, mass population. It is deep. Overthinking should not be a term like, yeah, you're using your brain. Yeah, yeah, it would. Like when you tell me I'm overthinking. Yeah.

[B]

You know, the you over good looking.

[A]

These things don't exist. Right. But the brain is not meant to be sexy in a situation where they want control over it and like, to box it in. And so this leads me to this point is about how religion has went from a radical position to a position that embraces end times where they're prime for the world to end to the point where. Where it looks like it start to end is liberating for them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They don't want to stop it. Right. And how much of that, how much of fulfilling prophecy goes into not only keeping them conformed, but making them reject any radical thought at all.

[B]

So I'm trying not to get into my, like, edgelord atheist era.

[A]

Bad.

[B]

Cause, you know, I had a moment. I grew up Muslim, and so I had a moment, especially when I first got to college. And I was. I had never been in the Bible Belt for real. So I had never been like, Atlanta's wild in that you can't drive for five minutes in the city without seeing a church. It'd be a church the size of this room, but it's there now. It's a condo or some shit half the time. But you get my point. Like, the churches were low. The churches in Atlanta were low key. A cartel. There's a great book on that. The myth of the Black. Myth of the Black Mecca. I don't know. I'm getting off topic. Anyway, so I'M trying not to get too anti church because the church still can play a powerful role in liberation for black people if harnessed differently, in my opinion. But the version of theology that's taught in a lot of black churches now is one of submission, one of acceptance, One of your reward is in the hereafter. And that's effective because if you. If shit ain't, if shit fucked up, but you tell me it's gonna be good in the afterlife, all I gotta do is submit, you know, not shake no trees.

[A]

And you also can't kill yourself.

[B]

Yeah, but you can't kill yourself. You just gotta survive it. You know what I'm saying? Then like that, I'll take that. It's not like I can do anything to these people, these fascists. It's not like I can do anything to these structures. Not I can do anything to these systems. But I can make it to church every weekend. I can pay my tithes and I can maybe or maybe not be an asshole to my family with my religious doctrine, but I'm not going to agitate. But you go back and you look at liberation theology. I'm not a huge liberation theology person in terms of like, I don't know much about it. Shout out. You mentioned Lil Bill earlier. He did a good video and there's a lot out there about it. Even like Raphael Warnock. I've been to his church a few times and I can make a lot of criticisms of him just being a straight line Democratic party. But I've been in his church and be like, oh, this sounds a little bit like liberation theology. And that was King's tradition. That was all of their tradition. It was liberation theology. Jesus as a radical revolutionary. And that's still a reading that has been. That exists, that has been systematically removed from pretty much all churches at point this, this point. Because if you do that, you might fuck with Empire. But yeah, I definitely agree with this idea that there's a docility built into spirituality. And I'm still a spiritual person. Like, I'm not religious. I grew up Muslim. I was never really like overly like into Islam. That was just my family's practice. And I practice it and I like this. I like to fast. I think Ramadan next week. Okay, thank you. Appreciate it. Because I'm a Brown, by the time y' all see this, I'll have fasted, but lost my train of thought. What was I saying?

[A]

Liberation theology.

[B]

But also.

[A]

You was just saying you've never been overly.

[B]

Oh, I've never been overly religious. Yeah. I've never been overly religious, but I've had a lot of religious experiences. Right. Like, I've had a lot of moments where I'm like, oh, shit, the divine is with me right now. I don't know. I don't know what to call it. I don't know what it means. I don't know what book it came from, but I know right now I am in the presence of a divine force.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

So, like, I can never denigrate what that means to people that feel that on a Sunday. I'm not gonna denigrate that. What gets, you know, auntie hopping around in the pew. But I also gotta say, hey, if y' all can organize people to boycott Target, right, for a year now, can you send. Let's send a hundred aunties, church aunties, to the distribution center, y', all, to fix that shit in a week. Absolutely. Y' all send these church. Y' all send these church ladies and these. These pastors and all these folks you can organize to the distribution center. Use a trucker, sit down in them runways for an hour while they lose tens of thousands of dollars on logistics and see how quickly Target comes to the table versus just having niggas not buy shit. And we all know, especially now, slot niggas at Target.

[A]

Which is why. Which is also why, as a truck driver, I know they put these. These fucking distribution centers in some far off places, and they literally run the town. This is where I. When I like, oh, buddy. Oh, shit.

[B]

Cartels, once again.

[A]

Yeah, they put them bitches, like, literally. The town doesn't work without this distribution center. Everybody in this city worked there, right? And there ain't shit else but what they sell. So it's, you know, distribution center, Walmart, gas station, bar, bar, school, school.

[B]

Big old nice school in Boondocks. It'd be random.

[A]

Be crazy as hell because the population be 2500, right?

[B]

But. But, boy, they got enough folks to fill that football stadium.

[A]

You ain't lying.

[B]

I ain't seen it a couple times.

[A]

It be odd, you shutting down the whole town.

[B]

So imagine Target realizing you shutting down whole towns just with some church ladies and some nice hats. Cause trucks can't run. They're not about to run over the church ladies not willing, right? So that means Target and everybody that distributes through Target or distributes through that, that means. Because it don't be Target's distribution center. That's a whole bunch of people distribution. And they gonna be like, target, you getting all our money fucked up. Put your little DEI programs Back in there. So they'll calm the fuck down. The doctor programs wasn't even in the first place, but, you know, that's neither here nor there.

[A]

Yeah. The point is for another day.

[B]

The church could do that. What's the brother's name? I met him a little while ago. That's in new birth. Jamal. Bryan could do that this weekend.

[A]

I mean, he, you know, he did a great job of getting the fire started with Target. And n. You know, he could. Niggas get what they call that shit protest fatigue or some shit. Yeah. Like, I'm tired of not spending my money. You know how crazy that sounds?

[B]

And that's, that's it. I heard when I, when I went to, I went to a meeting for that and I did hear shit like that. It was, it was unfortunate. But that's organized. That's organizing, though. It's really the key with the church is that they're able to bring black folks together and say, everybody do this on this day.

[A]

Yeah. And that was. And that's, you know, for a lot of black people, especially black people who have, you know, upped their status in tax and tax brackets and, you know, just society as a whole, you know, that's their shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, that's the, this is my, this is the proof that I'm not a Walmart nigga no more. You know what I mean?

[B]

I got, I got this target, I

[A]

got class, I go to Target. You know what I mean? But the thing is, is that the participation is there because everybody can understand exactly why. And then you have a respectable figure. It's not me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's a pastor saying it. So a lot of, a lot of middle class black people still respect church as an institution just as much as they gonna be put. Like, they, they got their sorority, they got their church they go to. They got the shiny job. Life is good, baby. You know what I'm saying? And this pastor saying, we need to do this.

[B]

We got our own.

[A]

We good. And this pastor here, I respect. And he's saying, don't go to Target. I don't really need to understand the radical thought around it. If he's saying it, it's enough. But that is church. If he's saying it, that's enough.

[B]

That's enough.

[A]

So it's already baked into like, what they participate in. And like, when I say it, it's like this nigga, well.

[B]

Cause you don't have, you don't have that institutional, institutional power.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you also saying, see, they saying he's Saying don't buy a target. We're saying shut that shit down.

[A]

Shut the whole shit down.

[B]

Shut the whole shit down. Watch how quick they the truckers. Specifically. Like truckers is powerful as shit in Atlanta.

[A]

Literally one of the most powerful professions. Yes.

[B]

Because everybody lose money if y' all

[A]

don't get well when the guy killed the family and Colorado because his brakes went out.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

They was trying to give him a death penalty, like a life sentence. And all truckers was like, it's sad and he probably should do time because he either didn't prepare, he didn't follow procedure and you know, he should face consequences, but like life.

[B]

Kill this dude.

[A]

No, no. And we're not doing that. And there's all truckers unionized and said we won't take anything into or out of. Of Colorado. They change that shit quick.

[B]

Yeah. And that's. And black people have the capacity to do that. I know we, we, we probably rapping, but that's one thing that I, I want to make sure we put out there is that like we have way more power. We have way more access to power than we imagine. It does take organizing it, it, it takes. After you get out the comment section, right. Go see what the mutual aid is in your neighborhood, in your city. You know what I'm saying? Go see. What if you go to a march every time you go to a protest. Cause protests obviously don't do much of anything. But while you're there, I guarantee you there's an organization that's recruiting and as you build that apparatus, then suddenly we fought COP City for like three, four years in Atlanta and they had to cheat to win. Low key. They cheated. We got, we did every, we won every battle with Cop City. And then it was like, nevermind, we're not fighting no more. We building it. We putting the army in front of the the land and we gonna build it anyway. So if we had more. I'm just saying.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The point is like you can't do that. You do that because you got people organized.

[A]

How much of that, how much of that. How much of that structural power to say we're gonna do it anyway? Like, we lost the legal way, so we gonna do it the ski mask way.

[B]

Right.

[A]

How much of that is deflating to organizers and deflating to people?

[B]

I mean, it's super deflating, but not deflating enough. Because if you look at movement again, going back to my first little piece of movement was genes 6, that's 2007, 20 years ago down There, Right. And I was just a 23, 24 year old teacher, feeling like some shit was happening. I wanted to be a part of it. And you look at Genesix in 2007 to Trayvon Martin and what was that? 2010, 2014. 2014. Right. You look at the difference in mobilization from there to there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Then you look at the difference in mobilization from 2014 to 2020. And so at every point there's. There's failures, there's compromises, there's bad decisions, there's people turning, you know, whatever, but that is progress. And so those people that lost that battle in that moment may fall off, but they've inspired a whole bunch of other people that saw. I never forget watching mostly young white folks run up on the cop city land throwing Molotov cocktails at tanks. That shit was wild.

[A]

That is.

[B]

They didn't show that to y' all because they didn't want you to see that. That shit didn't really make it out out Atlanta because they was built. They've been building cop cities or in cities all across the country. Right. But these then. And some of them are, are locked up. And then they rico. They RICO the organization for paying bail. You know what I'm saying? So like, yeah, that's a problem. Shout out to community movement builders who I've. Who I've worked with before, because they, they were behind a lot of really good work with the anti cop city movement and they're doing good work on land projects in Georgia, et cetera. So like being able to. So yeah, that does debilitate people. They feel like we did it the legal way. We can't out ski mask the military right now, so we gonna have to take this. L. But the visual, the visualization of people doing something. One of the, one of the. A piece of research, I'mma misquote a little bit, I'm sure. Or people come away from like our videos sometimes just feeling bad, feeling like we lost and the world is so fucked up and what we gonna do about it? But research shows that you feel better when you do some shit. When you get involved, when you get active, you feel better.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

And then that becomes almost like going to the gym. If you go to the gym a lot, you can't live without the gym.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

And that's the best addiction to have for your health, for the most part.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So like, same thing with organizing, getting active. If you get active and you stay active, even if you take that L, the visualization of that is gonna mean something to somebody. Else that feel the exact way you feel, but they don't know what to do next.

[A]

Yeah. Because it's an experience, too. It's an experience. It's an experience in practice to what you preach.

[B]

Right. It's community.

[A]

It's community and it's execution. And the thing is, is that. Yeah, man, the Internet will have you feeling very dismayed. But. But the action that comes along with the. You talk about on the Internet. Yeah, bro, a lot of the. Anything I've ever done in the community feels amazing. Yeah.

[B]

Feel way better than, you know.

[A]

It also makes you brainstorm about how to do it better. You know what I mean? So. Yeah. But I appreciate you pulling up, man.

[B]

This is dope.

[A]

Huge inspiration for me to completely.

[B]

Honestly, I'm so happy to be here.

[A]

I'm ready to see the Tyler Perry video. Oh, man.

[B]

I'm ready to put it out there.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I dropped it to, like, patrons last night.

[A]

It's on your Patreon.

[B]

Yeah. It's not the finished version, so the finished version will be on Nebula.

[A]

I was gonna say, nigga, I'm finna go.

[B]

I mean, it's essentially. It's not, like, polished, like, musical flourishes, a little piece of animation here or there, but the crux of what I'm doing is there.

[A]

Okay, well, this your camera, man. You can basically, by the time y'

[B]

all see this, the video will be out. It'll be on FD signifier, the main channel. It'll be on Nebula, the streaming service, which you gotta sign up for, but you get to watch the whole. It's gonna be three and a half to four hours long. You get to watch it without commercials. I'm also on. I got five channels now. We got B size, which is short, shorter, less produced, less polished shit. We got streaming, which is literally me ranting like I was in this podcast. So it's not as. It's not me at my best, but, you know, it's still fun. I got a gaming channel that I don't barely do shit with. And then I got a podcast channel that I don't barely do shit with. Cause I don't know how you can do this. Like, it's so hard for me to stay locked in with a long conversation. Like, I know we was all over the place. The good thing is we both intellectuals and we both on the same wavelength. So I feel like every time we deviated, it was somewhere where it went

[A]

somewhere, and then we gonna find our way back. That's the thing. But that's why I Only bring people on here I would care to talk to too.

[B]

Yeah, I appreciate that.

[A]

I think just doing things for the celebr of it all, it's not going to make sense to me.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. My brain is going to cut off and I'm going to start. I'm going to make it into some bullshit that don't nobody want to watch

[A]

or just be like, yeah, this ain't coming up. But man, thank you for pulling up, bro. Appreciate you, man. I look forward to just being in continued connection with you, bro.

[B]

Yeah, I'm here like literally. Well, we'll talk.

[A]

Well, yeah, this episode 100 something. We don't know when this is coming out, but it'll come out in a timely fashion because it is fd. So I'm going to have to skip the line on some of you people. But you understand if you don't understand, go tap in with FD signifiers page. Check out his content. I am Deontay Kyle. But who's behind the camera?

[B]

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[A]

We will see y' all black people next time. I just want to rap.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah,

[B]

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[A]

Yeah.

[B]

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