Episode 53 - Fear Itself

Summary

Grits and Eggs Podcast - Episode 53: Fear Itself

Release Date: March 3, 2025

Host: Deante’ Kyle
Co-Host: Tanisha

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1. Podcast Business Updates

Deantay Kyle and Tanisha kick off the episode by discussing the podcast's growth and upcoming plans. They emphasize the increasing interest in bookings, hinting at potential appearances in cities like Dallas, Charlotte, and Chicago. The hosts also announce new merchandise, including coloring books and Ramadan-themed items, with proceeds aimed at community support rather than personal profit.

• Deantay Kyle [00:59]: "We're getting a little bit more inquiries about getting booked..."
• Tanisha [01:25]: "Summer tour."

They highlight the success of their Patreon, which has grown to 400 supporters, with a goal of reaching 1,000 to unlock additional features like removing the "truck" (likely a metaphor for achieving greater independence or growth).

• Big Ice Cup Cat [02:12]: "The Patreon has grown to 400. The goal is a thousand. A thousand gets me out the truck."

2. Recent Events and Experiences

The hosts recount their experience at Jasmine's mixer, describing it as a vibrant and enjoyable event. They share anecdotes about the atmosphere, including unique offerings like THC-infused toast and their interactions with other attendees, including a US Marshal.

• Tanisha [05:41]: "Jasmine's mixer was lit."
• Big Ice Cup Cat [08:16]: "Shorty had the toast with the weed in it."

3. Main Discussion: The Death of Caleb Wilson and Fraternity Rituals

A significant portion of the episode centers around the tragic death of Caleb Wilson, a 20-year-old Southern University student, during an allegedly harmful fraternity ritual. The incident raises concerns about the dangerous practices within fraternities and the systemic issues contributing to such tragedies.

• Big Ice Cup Cat [10:44]: "20 year old Caleb Wilson dies during an alleged fraternity ritual..."
• Big Ice Cup Cat [12:08]: "A potential mechanical engineer... what are you really requiring for a fraternity?"

Tanisha shares her personal experience with the pledging process, highlighting the intense and often harmful expectations placed on members. Both hosts critique the abuse of power within fraternities, emphasizing the need for reform and greater accountability.

• Tanisha [12:55]: "I was the first person in my family to go to college..."
• Big Ice Cup Cat [15:28]: "These are college students being assaulted or anything. They shouldn't be a part of it."

4. Media Representation and Systemic Issues

The discussion shifts to the portrayal of Black individuals in media and the broader societal impact of such representations. The hosts critique movements like the natural hair movement and the rise of platforms like the Shade Room, arguing that these influence perceptions negatively and perpetuate divisive stereotypes.

• Big Ice Cup Cat [28:12]: "The true love is our black love is the revolution."
• Tanisha [55:00]: "They popped up with a million followers."

They delve into historical events like the Dust Bowl, drawing parallels to modern systemic challenges, and stress the importance of unity and self-love within the Black community to combat these issues.

• Big Ice Cup Cat [30:26]: "This is a deep psychological war."
• Tanisha [35:07]: "Look at the clips."

5. Caller Advice Segment

The episode features two callers seeking advice:

1. Caller 1: Aspires to see Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole collaborate and wishes for Alchemist to produce a track with Saha and Sauce Walker.

   • Big Ice Cup Cat [62:37]: "I would love to see Alchemist produce a song with Saha and Sauce Walker."

2. Caller 2: A teacher assistant facing challenges in a predominantly white school district with Black students. She seeks guidance on advocating for her students and managing a tumultuous work environment.

   • Caller 2 [64:43]: "I'm just noticing a difference in how the black kids are treated than white kids..."

   Tanisha advises her to be a vocal advocate and a positive role model, while Big Ice Cup Cat suggests practical solutions like organizing transportation support to alleviate her burdens.

   • Tanisha [68:01]: "Be the voice for the black kids... Just be there."
   • Big Ice Cup Cat [73:04]: "If somebody out there wanted to do something, we can help with transportation."

6. Closing Remarks

In the latter part of the episode, Deante’ Kyle and Tanisha tackle personal stories from listeners, including issues like hoarding and marital challenges. They provide empathetic advice, emphasizing the importance of mental health support and prioritizing family well-being.

• Big Ice Cup Cat [80:20]: "How can we get these men to unpack and deal with their issues?"
• Tanisha [86:17]: "Apologize to your wife, man."

They conclude by reinforcing the podcast's mission to address real issues within the Black community, advocating for love, unity, and systemic change.

• Big Ice Cup Cat [86:17]: "We need to do better with that."
• Tanisha [86:18]: "Yeah."

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Key Takeaways

• Fraternity Reform: The tragic death of Caleb Wilson underscores the need for stricter regulations and accountability within fraternity organizations to prevent such incidents.

• Media Influence: The podcast critiques how media platforms and movements can negatively shape perceptions of the Black community, advocating for positive representation.

• Community Support: Emphasis on supporting one another through mental health challenges, advocating for Black students, and fostering unity within the community.

• Advocacy and Representation: Encouraging Black individuals in professional environments to be vocal advocates and role models for the younger generation.

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Notable Quotes:

• Big Ice Cup Cat [20:09]: "But why is your ass out and you stepping?"

• Tanisha [30:26]: "Let's keep it being too. Why every time go to Hazen, we got to get involved in some gay."

• Big Ice Cup Cat [38:39]: "Negative talk gonna get you blocked every time."

• Tanisha [70:08]: "That's all you got to do, really. Just be there."

• Big Ice Cup Cat [85:53]: "You're gonna have a beautiful, healthy daughter. Y'all had the vision. Things changed."

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Transcript

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah woke up in the morning and to God be the glory Thankful for another day to tell my story Put my opinions in the universe and let them orbit I'm from the dirty soul with a dirty mouth Might need or bit miss things things on me like a norbit had to refuse them cause my no rest fusion she gorgeous as I doubt my sons up and kiss my daughter forehead tell them we gonna get this money to my pocke it's morbid remember living in apartments now we playing mortgage you ain't got to like a regardless baby I'm blessed and I keep that blick with me we like grits and eggs as you sip your coffee flick your cigarette and let a.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Vent yeah, we back oh, we back Grits and eggs podcast, episode 53. I'm your host, Deontay Kyle. But who's behind the camera?

[Tanisha]

Big ice cup cat.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yes, sir. Ski as always. Email deontayantaycow.com we're getting a little bit more inquiries about getting booked, so we're gonna have to start a [e-mail] soon. You know, Dallas trying to get us to come up there. Charlotte, Chicago, who some of the places, little hot spots. You know what I'm saying?

[Tanisha]

Summer tour.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Summer gonna be lit.

[Tanisha]

We're on tour.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Gonna go on tour, brother. Merch. We've. We've. We've since retired. We do have some new merch on deontaykyle.com coloring books, new Ramadan merch as suggested by fellow Muslim woman. Okay. We're gonna find a place to put those proceeds, man. I don't really feel like profiting off all, you know.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, yeah, we gotta find that.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Niggas is hungry and we over here getting money.

[Tanisha]

Getting money. And we getting money.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Are starving. We getting money.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, we got to get some. Somewh.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Shout out to all my Muslim.

[Tanisha]

I said I'm going l them.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah, man. All that good Patreon grits and X podcast. Patreon fire episode last episode. Lot of Reals has been doing really. You know, Instagram and Tik Tok been pushing those clips and the Patreon has grown to 400. The goal is a thousand. A thousand gets me out the truck.

[Tanisha]

A thousand gets you out the truck.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

A thousand gets me out the truck. 2,500. Get a big ice cup out there, motherfucker.

[Tanisha]

Get me out.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Trying to get out of Delta, huh? We gonna be real podcasters then? Yeah. Yeah. Then we can give y'all to work. Some updates for the Patreon. Is this month we are going to make a push towards some more exclusive merch that'll be only available to the people on Patreon. So you good? It'll be available to only the people on Patreon. You know, just some little exclusive and we'll try to keep that low. Like when you're trying to. I might not go embroidery, but we might just do something basic, simple, just show some appreciation. Definitely going to be doing a giveaway on the Patreon as well. I'm going to be doing a lot more updates just to keep people informed. Yeah, man, we're. We're grateful for all the patronies, man, all the cousins. So we appreciate y'all. 657234 eggs. Okay, we got some voicemails coming in today. We got three advice emails. We are segregating the music submissions because we had an issue with the monetization on YouTube last month. But we back. Huh? Hold on, man. Hold on, man. We back. We getting money. We get Money on the YouTube partnership again. We back in there. So a lot of times y'all are submitting things that are already on Apple music and things. So we get hit with the copyright. So we're going to turn it into a music, a new music Monday type vibe. And on Mondays when you get the audio, when you get the audio, we'll also be doing the music submissions. Probably take it a little longer. Instead of just two or three songs, we'll probably make like 30 minutes out of it. Something like that. A little 30 minute episode. So people, so more people get their song submitted. We got a lot of emails and a lot of sound submissions. So it's not like we ignoring anybody. It's just is getting buried. It's a lot of emails. And then we switched over to deontayeontecow.com for the email. But the gritson eggs pod email, it was still booming. So just be patient. We ain't ignoring you. We would love to hear your song. We love even more if you're bad. Ah, we're having a good time over here. Getting, getting out the boothing back into the community, man.

[Tanisha]

Out the booth into the trade system. Out the booth to trade pipeline. Out the move to trade pipeline courtesy of the Grizzly Next podcast.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Put down that mic. Pick up that wrench. Exactly. Put that mic down. Put that mic down. Grab your welding mask. It's time to get to work.

[Tanisha]

Learn how to shift some gears.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

The microphone to mechanic piping the booth.

[Tanisha]

To pull them in pipeline.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Really get in that booth. Yeah, niggas in the wrong booth.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh, so Music Mondays. New Music Mondays. Will do, man. All right. Jasmine's mixer was lit. Okay.

[Tanisha]

I was drunk.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

First of all. First of all, she was like, do y'all want any specific drink? Because, you know, we have vip. No, we was vip. Just humbly, humbly. We was vip.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You know what I'm saying? All we had to do is show our idea, walk right in.

[Tanisha]

Just walk there.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. We had us a little table. We were set up. You know what I'm saying? So we was in that vibing. Of course, we some. You know, me and Big Cat, we some, man. Which I want to drink. Yeah, naturally. Naturally. We want some Henny. We're on that. Bruce Lee in this. On that. Tupac, matter of fact, was playing good. Tupac in the beginning. Yeah. Had this. He had this where it was mixed. Song and video mixed. That was hard.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, that's DJ Lonnie Love, too. Shout out to him.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Shout out. DJ Lonnie Love, man. So Jasmine walked in with a US Marshal.

[Tanisha]

Hey, yo, Top Flight security I've ever seen.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

My son was plain clothes, but the badge was clear.

[Tanisha]

Badge was clear.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You know, he had that on him.

[Tanisha]

He had a blazer.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No word. Blazer jeans, blazer jean combo with the badge showing.

[Tanisha]

You know, he had the double breast.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

He just coming out like that. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Like Will Smith and Bamboo.

[Tanisha]

Mike Lowry.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, Mike Lowry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody was, hey, look, I'm giving. Niggas was on their best behavior. It was a lot of tactical gear in that motherfucking. As soon as we walked, nigga had the stick on him. He had that motherfucker. That motherfucker on a shoestring. Yeah, he was ready. He was ready. Don't get wrong. On Camelton Road, you can get beat the Fuck up by 15 black SWAT team members shot her in there with all the technical gear and knotless braids. Love that.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, love that.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

For the community. Yeah, love that. We love to see that black ass policing. But no, it was love, though. It. I mean, the. The photo booth was crazy. Great photos. We felt like we was in paid in full. Up top, all the vendors. We had some dope. We got some dope. Y'all gonna see me wearing some of this stuff that we caught while we was in there. Mainly the hats. There's like, I'm gonna figure out. I ain't gonna say. I sit here and I done forgot default, man, we was fucked up in that bitch, man. But we gonna run that back. We gonna get Them the proper shouts, you know what I'm saying? So we went up there, spent some money. In the mid was the big ass dance floor. Big ass, like ballroom type dance floor. Shit. They had two bars, food trucks all in the back.

[Tanisha]

Wait, wait, was we. So did Shorty have THC infused toast?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yes. Never seen that before. Never seen that before. Shorty had the toast with the weed in it.

[Tanisha]

She said, you want some toast? I like some toast.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Nah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, I never heard of that.

[Tanisha]

Never.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Nah, niggas is. Niggas is getting the weed. Wheat. The wheat. Weed niggas is turning wheat into weed.

[Tanisha]

Niggas putting the THC in the.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

In the yeast. Yeah, son. Yeah, yeah. Let that rise. I was like, toast, this is. The grilled cheese sandwich would go crazy. What? What? Peanut butter jelly, THC sandwich. Yo, we was like, we good on that.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

We just came to get two joints.

[Tanisha]

That's all we need.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

This is two joints. Because me and Big Cat was out here puffing big weed, trying to stay. Trying to stay in the middle. We was in there.

[Tanisha]

Up nigga drunk a whole bottle of Hennessy in under an hour.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

It was under. First of all, the party started at 8. That bottle was gone at 9.

[Tanisha]

Yes.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Cause everybody that walked up was like, oh, you deontay. I was like, I am. Come take a shot, nigga. Come take a shot. We taking shots with. With these folks. Me and Jaz are taking shots. Jazz had some shit called Mexican water. Really high level tequila. That shit literally tastes like water.

[Tanisha]

It was so smooth.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Smoothest liquor, smoothest tequila I've ever had. No sugar in that. No sugar, no additives. None. Nah, that was straight agave, nigga. Straight, pure agave. We hit the tequila, we went downstairs. It's time to crank the spades up. Shout out to the ghetto cousins. Oh, yeah, me and ghetto cousins, we was in a Check out the ghetto cousins podcast. They was in the building. Man, this is like the women version of us.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, for sure.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

So we just on. We just on the space talking shit. Joe was in there. Dirty Joe? Yeah, Dirty Joe. Like, bro, we in there talking shit. I'm reneging. I don't give a fuck, bro. I'm so drunk. I'm like, man, I don't know what book we on. I just know we ran to Boston back to back, and I had said. I was like, shit, I'm finna start reneging. I got somewhere else to go. I had another plan. I had another play to make. I was like, how the fuck can I get off this table, right? That was a vibe. It was a black ass vibe, bro.

[Tanisha]

N It was good.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

It was amazing, bro. I I we might have to fly to Houston just to go to the next one. Great energy.

[Tanisha]

Oh, she having one in Houston.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You see having the next one in Houston. Tickets already on sale. I'm going to go grab.

[Tanisha]

No, we not to go to Houston.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

We going to Houston.

[Tanisha]

Never leave Houston on a Sunday either. So we coming back Monday.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so shout out to if you going to that Houston mixer, we will be in the building, guaranteed.

[Tanisha]

Got to go.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

All right, man. So look, all right, let's bring, let's, let's bring some sadness to the pot.

[Tanisha]

Oh, okay. All right.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

So. 20 year old Caleb Wilson dies during an alleged fraternity ritual Baton Rouge college student has died after elicit allegedly participating in an off campus fraternity ritual. Southern University student Caleb Wilson, 20, was allegedly participating in Omega Sci Fi fraternity ritual where pledges stand in a line when he collapsed. Wilson was unresponsive when a group of friends brought him to B. Rouge Hospital early Thursday morning, according to authorities. The group had been at North Sherwood Forest Community Park. According to the investigators, hospital staff pronounced Wilson dead and called the Baton Rouge Police Department at 3:15 triggering a death investigation. Southern in quotes Southern University and A M College is aware of the off campus incident that may have resulted in the death of student Caleb Wilson Jr. From New Orleans majoring in mechanical engineering. Campus community extends condolences to his families, classmates and loved ones. Southern University said is we're cooperating with the BR police department. An autopsy is being performed to to determine the exact cause of death. So we lost, we lost a mechanical engineer.

[Tanisha]

A potential mechanical engineer.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Potential mechanical engineer because. Want to walk around and wag their tongue? Yeah, I mean, you know, the thing is at some point, like what is the, what are you really requiring for a to be in your fraternity? Because death, death, death ain't supposed to be a part of it. Nah. What are you Crips? Like what's up? Like we, we these. This is a man that had a bright future ahead of him. 20 and this is a tale is all the time. We heard this time and time again.

[Tanisha]

Time and time over again.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And it's like, damn, if you don't like at some point they torturing niggas that must not want in. Trying to get niggas to break or whatever like that. But I don't know the ins and outs of fraternities and pledging and all that shit.

[Tanisha]

I mean, as somebody that went through a pledging process. I didn't complete it. I'm not gonna say the organization's name, but it is a lot of bullshit that happens through your pledge. I was the first person in my family to go to college, so I thought that was like, oh, man, this is what I'm gonna do, right? I'm gonna make my family proud. You know, my dad's favorite movie is School Days.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Word.

[Tanisha]

So I'm like, yo, I'm gonna do this. Me and pops gonna have a good time about this. Cause he knows what I'm doing. But when I got to doing it, I'm like, yo, this shit ain't me, dawg. I don't let a nigga hit me on the street. You not hit me to wear no fucking letters.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, well, it's supposed to be a.

[Tanisha]

Brotherhood, you know, it's supposed to be.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

For fraternal order, right? I never had any interest in that except for when I was watching Drumline. Yeah, man, like, when Nick Cannon was kissing Shorty and N was stepping in the background, I was like, oh, this shit was lit. Finna go to Kaiser for the step. What? I'm gonna get some blue Timberland. I'm gonna get some blue Timberlands and some braids, right? I'm gonna step my way into some pussy.

[Tanisha]

But that's why a lot of niggas do it.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, I bet, though.

[Tanisha]

For the attention of women.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Well, here's the thing. We all wanna belong to something. You know what I mean? That's a human trait. We wanna belong to something. This is why we see young men getting gangs. This is why sports are, you know, are good. Social. Good for social relationships. Sports, you know what I mean? Just belonging. Belonging to a team. Belonging to a group in a college version, you know, there's a certain social status that comes with being in a fraternity or a sorority. These things are understandable. But what is the. Like, what are we requiring to do? Damn near die.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Like, deaf shouldn't be a part of the. Like, we're. These are. These are college students being assaulted or anything.

[Tanisha]

Shouldn't be.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, we gotta get. I don't know what you niggas was doing. I don't know how Rickey Smiley became a Q. I know that the process is outdated.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You know what I mean? Like, damn, you already gotta brand a.

[Tanisha]

Nigga to get branded is crazy to get branded.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

We done seen the videos. You niggas walking, jumping around, doing steps with your ass out and your man.

[Tanisha]

Behind you with his tongue out.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Crazy like what?

[Tanisha]

Ass out, tongue wagon shit crazy.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Don't let. Don't. Why must I be like that? Don't let that.

[Tanisha]

Come on.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh, my God. Nothing. But the dog is crazy. That's sick.

[Tanisha]

Sick work, huh?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Tanisha]

I knew that wasn't gonna work, you.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Know, as I was throwing that step on Diggs for a second. Yeah, man. This is an unfortunate situation, so shout out to. I mean, that's not shout out, but condolences out to the Wilson family. Because it's hard. You send your son off to college in pursuit of higher education, in pursuit of his goals and his career. Career. It's got to be an exciting, exciting thing for a parent, for. My son is going to be a mechanical engineer. Right. You know, he's gonna make something of himself. Oh, he's joining the fraternity. That's great. What you mean he dead?

[Tanisha]

To get that phone call.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Must have been 3:15 in the morning. What you mean? What you mean, he dead?

[Tanisha]

Yeah. My son's doing all the right things, taking all the right steps.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

20 years old. He's a junior. You're a year away. Come on, man. Like, I think I have no affiliation to any fraternity. I would suggest that. I know that y'all have. They have big groups, big conventions. I would suggest we get together and change the way we do these things, because this is nothing but an abuse of power. That's all it is. These are seniors. They. They. And then he's pledging in his junior year. So, you know, this is him going forward. Like, I'm gonna make these connections. You know, he's clearly probably on the path.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

From New Orleans. So already coming from. You know what I'm saying? Coming from a tough environment. We don't know what his social class was, but I'm certain. I mean, he's hbcu, you know what I mean? Like, he's doing his thing. This is everything you would want your black son to do.

[Tanisha]

Exactly.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

This is everything you wouldn't want your black son to do. This is everything we preach about on the pod. Exactly. Nigga ain't in the booth. Nigga's a mechanical engineer. Dad trying to be a Q dog. Trying to fuck with you niggas. We have to have a convention. Shaq. Get Shaq on the phone.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, N. Get out of Papa John's.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Get out of Papa John's and get to the convention. Go make a fucking phone call. And we got to change the way we doing these things, because that's not. That's. That's. That's just it's past unfortunate. It's. It's. It's happened too many times. They make movies about this. You know what I'm saying? It's unnecessary, bruh. It's overkill. And it's. This is somebody that is taking advantage of the power that they have because somebody wants to join their organization. You niggas ain't gang bangers, bro. Damn gang banging. Say, you got to put in work. You might have to kill somebody. Yeah, heard. What's your boy name? What's the. What's the rap name? Then? He gonna be rapping real good from New Jersey.

[Tanisha]

I know you talking about.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

He did the song about the gang initiation.

[Tanisha]

I know you talking of his name right now.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Tanisha]

What are you talking about, though?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Immortal Technique. You know a named Immortal Technique? Hey, for that to be your rap name, you know, nigga's technique is impeccable. But he. You know, what was that song like? Dance with the Devil or some shit like that? One of the craziest songs in hip hop ever about a gang initiation. Right? And. And the sick. The punchline to the song is, a nigga raped his own mother to be a part of a gang. They had a bag over the lady head. This is insanity. Who cooked this up?

[Tanisha]

Yeah, who made that?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

First of all. Oh, we're not gang members. No, no. I'm gonna kill all you. Yeah. No, all you is dying. And then me.

[Tanisha]

And then me.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And then me.

[Tanisha]

Murder suicide.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

No, that's Christmas. We're getting that popping. We getting the Crispin Wall going. I'm gonna be the rabbit Wolverine this. Cause I'm crippling CrossFit for everybody. Crippling crossface is for everybody. What? That's insanity. We do a lot of things. You know, we talk about the abuse of power that comes from the government, but then on a micro level, look how. Look what we look at what people are doing with power. This isn't just a black issue. This is a fraternity issue. This is white. This happens all the time. Y'all taking Hazen too far. Yeah, you know, let's keep it being too. Why? Why every time go to Hazen, we got to get involved in some gay. So why is your ass out and you stepping? Why? Yeah, I mean, if. Hey, if is gay, is gay.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, but your ass.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

But, you know, you taking straight men and putting them in humiliating situations, Right? This is like when you go to jail for the first time, they make you do the squat and cough. It's just a humiliation ritual.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

We shouldn't have to. I Shouldn't have to be humiliated to be a part of your organization. Especially if it's the organization for academia. Now, if on the next level you is trying to take over the world and y'all gonna do some skull and bone, then y'all do that. But on an entry level.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I shouldn't be risking my life.

[Tanisha]

Nah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And then you is at a hbcu pledging Greek. Good thing up there. Think they play dogs?

[Tanisha]

Socrates and yo, for Clark Homecoming. I seen the Hebrew Israelites yelling at niggas because they had their Greek shit on.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Y'all niggas is Greek. Y'all niggas is black.

[Tanisha]

They was yelling at these. I think these is college kids.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Nah, we gotta get it while they still mad.

[Tanisha]

They was doing the knowledge.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Don't was doing the knowledge. Hey, hey, look, I'll tell you, bro, the Hebrew Israelite, them nigga broke a clock twice a day type vibe, right? Nah, they absolutely right.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

First of all, what you doing talking about you Greek.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Huh?

[Tanisha]

You is black.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Y'all ain't Greek. Take that. They was going, that's the type of make bring up the moors right there. No, no, no. The Moorish empire expanded into Greece in 1420 BC. Yeah. You know, do the knowledge on that, too. I think that. That oddly enough. You know what I'm saying? You. You hbcu. We need to start getting some arishas and. Yeah, yeah, let's get ocean. Where. Where ocean at?

[Tanisha]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Where old goon at?

[Tanisha]

Yeah, where they at?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Let's really rock that purple and gold. Let's really do that.

[Tanisha]

Let's do it. Yeah. Emojia and all that. Yeah, yeah, all that.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

We need all that.

[Tanisha]

Let's get right.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

We're a Nazi act.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

No, let's really dig. Let's really reach back to the motherland.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And pledge that.

[Tanisha]

Exactly.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Pledging Greek fraternities then, first of all, to start that in the early 1900s for to be fresh out of slavery. Like we Greek. We Greek. Do the knowledge on.

[Tanisha]

Fresh out of. Fresher than Jim Crow.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Nigga went from slavery to Jim Crow. Oh, we Greek. We Greek.

[Tanisha]

Hey, yo, yo. Niggas gonna be mad at us with this.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I don't give a fuck, man. Fuck niggas, man. What nigga shimmy his way over here? Let a shimmy around me and see if I See if that mask don't come out. See if I start grunting and switching in that.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, we got a fraternity, too.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Fraternity? Yeah, you heard it here first. YM fraternity to start an Original concept for the Grizz and Eggs podcast. Original organization. YM fraternity. You join our city, you get a Nike tech, a Nike ski. Black. Black forces. That's what you get. That's our colors. Black on black. We don't got no. We don't got no letters. We got numbers. 1, 8, 7. I'm with the killers. I'm with a bunch of young killers. You talking about come over here shimmying if you want to. You gonna hear whoopty planning. Whoopty.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, I go to Y, they with.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Us heavies fuck with us. We gonna start our own fraternity. Fuck you talking about? Yeah, man, we should just practice on our free will. Nigga, is it. You know, you know. Hey, man, y'all gotta tighten that up, man. It's time. It's time to tighten it up. And it leads me into my point, man. I think the idea of a fraternity is, you know, this is a powerful thing. Black. That's black. Those are black people trying to create their own organizations, right? Organization out of academia. And there are strength in numbers. There's a revolutionary aspect to organ organized academics, you know, and. And their opinion on the world and their outlook on the world is. Is extremely important because academia is, you know, a part of this system. And higher learning, higher education has always been a big thing in the black community. So I'm not condemning them. I commend them for keeping the tradition alive. But I'm condemning the process and the process of having an abuse of power when our true revolution is not bloodshed. Okay, we've stated this several times. I think a lot of times when people think about revolution, when black people start talking revolution, everybody assumes bloodshed because that's the. That's the white idea of revolution. That's the Boston Tea Party bloodshed, You know, bloodshed and destruction of property. That's a white ideology when it comes to revolution. The. The true black revolution is love at every turn. Their whole plan and. And process for us has to be for us to be divided and for us to not love ourselves. If you don't love yourself, you're not gonna love your brother. You don't love yourself, you're not going to love your sister. It's easy to look in the mirror and hate yourself and leave your child. That's easy. You know what I'm saying? Now, these are systemic conditions that are being reinforced all the time through advertisement, through media and real grassroots level. Let's talk about. I mean, we can bring that crack epidemic back, but that, you know, that's A that was a number one divisive tactic used in the last 40 years. Because, you know, you see black women out here selling their body for drugs. This may be how you're informed about black women. Your mother out here selling her body for drugs or just doing drugs and not caring for you as a child, this may be informing how you feel about black women. You see your brother get killed by his best friend over a drug deal. This is going to inform your trust with niggas. Your daddy leave you because he can't keep it together because he on that pipe. This is going to all. There's a lot of information being passed here, and none of it is loving. So if we're going to engage in any revolution, the revolution has to be us regaining our trust and our empathy towards one another. Us having an understanding about the conditions that we've been through and the conditions we're currently in. And return to a place of love. Because love that brings community. Jasmine's mixer. It felt like love in there, bro. When we did our live show in Jackson, that was love in there, bro. That's the revolution for us. Because when you love somebody, you'll show up for them. Shit. When you love somebody, you'll protect their life. You'll defend their life. When you love somebody, if somebody took their life, you'll take the other person's life. You'll kill for what you love. You gonna make a lot of excuses for people you don't love. That's why don't nothing get done. It's a lack of love. George Zimmerman is still alive because of a lack of love. We were saddened by the action. We're saddened by that because there's something in us that's still. We. We still got that connection. We. We love Trayvon Martin, right? That's our little brother. That's a little cousin. That's somebody nephew. That's somebody's son. We love him, but we don't love ourselves enough to get retribution. That when. When it's. When it's time to get retribution. Won't let God handle everything. The. The Lord will get justice, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Watch the man, George Floyd be executed. The world protested that. That's love. Cause we see ourselves in that. And these people are gonna get their justice through the system, whatever. But that was a time where you seen niggas like, nah, fuck that. We gotta knock that nigga off. Fuck that. Fuck that. Nigga wanted him n. Wanted his head.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

But the true love is our black love is the revolution. Because that's the thing they trying to stop. Whatever they trying to stop. Let's get down to the true nature of things. If the process is to divide the family, then the process is to destroy the love. If the process is divide and conquer, what they're trying to do is divide and conquer our love for one another. And it's worked. And every time we have a movement, natural hair movement, natural hair movement. Then we'll be seeing influx of baddies, bad girls club a bunch of ditzy on TV with bus downs and makeup. But think about that natural hair movement. You have to create a movement around showing up as you are naturally who you were born butt naked, bare bones, no additives. The person who you are needs a movement to be represented. How your hair grows out of your head naturally needs a movement for representation. We don't think about that. This is sick shit. They're doing you fucking with people's minds. This is a deep psychological war. We have to have a movement for your hair to grow. Hidden colors come out. What's next? Drill music soon as I learned about Dr. Umar, I learned about Chief Keef. It's it and it's the same play every time. They're going to combat it with something. When they see us unifying around ideology or getting to a place where we actually, I mean is calling each other kings and queens before start using that as scam talk and slick talk. That was a real movement was calling each other kings and queens and they meant it. And, and all it take is one. One celebrity that don't love theyself. Don't call me. No. Don't grand rising queen me. Yeah, now I understand. It is. It's annoying. It can get annoying.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Depending on the person, depending on situation. I like the idea of replacing, you know, you know getting their bag with the word play. Morning is the death.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

No, we're rising. I get that. That's, that's, that's a good. That's a nice little pivot. I ain't mad at it. It's just the. That choose to use that language. Always be up.

[Tanisha]

No good six pack oiled up in the kitchen.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

That's what I'm saying, son. Coming with the conversation. And this is, this is a lack of love. This is a lack of love for each other. This is like a love for the self that we're going to use loving, loving terms of endearment to swindle. This is that hustler mentality. I'm going to use these, these kind terms. I'm gonna use these talking points. I'm. I'm gonna take your guard down and. And render you defenseless because you think I'm operating out of love just so I can swindle you.

[Tanisha]

Sick movement.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

It's sick movement. It's nasty work. And so we have to get to a place where we're regaining empathy and trust for one another, right? The reason why I say the last 40 years is. Needs to be our focus because you could look at everything we lost in a dynamic way and how we relate to each other, how we talk to each other, how we treat each other. If you grow up and you see your mom smoking crack, calling a woman a. That just don't mean nothing to you. You know what I'm saying? If. If your dad left, even if he got locked up, if he got killed, the anger that comes along with that, if he sold crack or he smoked crack, the anger that comes with not having your pops will make you feel like ain't man or woman. My parents went through a divorce. I ain't see my dad for three years. I was mad as ain't fuck. These niggas like it because you. A lot of times, a lot of the information we're receiving, we're receiving as. As children, you know, that's how it starts. So then we get into a place where, like, we're talking progress, right? And I'm going through the comments, you know, because I want. I want us to. I feel like I'm giving you an easy space, right? It's 40 years, right? So even if. Even if you was born in 2000, you only go back 20 years before you was born. Start doing the knowledge there, you see the effects of it 20 years later. This is. This is. This is a simple task. And niggas are combative about it. They want to still talk about the Hebrew shit. They want to still. And it's like, I'm not dissing you. I'm just saying, lock the fuck in. If we study, if we become scholars of the war on drugs, we'll see everything we lost. Then we can go back. And the first time, as soon as a nigga start talking progress is a lot of. A lot of y'all minds go straight to why it won't work. That's your first mind, is to tell me why. Oh, ain't gonna organize. Why? White people ain't never been pessimistic about their ability to steal.

[Tanisha]

Never.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Huh? They never said it ain't gonna work. I don't think it's still a country and people. No, nobody, nobody was like, this ain't gonna work. No. He was extremely optimistic about that. I'm telling niggas to observe the last 40 years. Oh, niggas ain't going to organize. Oh. Black people are our own worst enemy. To absolve white supremacy like that. To absolve it by putting it on us, you gonna put it on yourself. I mean, there's some people, they just gotta go to the island. Yeah. I mean, God damn, it's gonna be at capacity. We may need a bigger island.

[Tanisha]

More timeshares.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, we need more timeshares, huh? We gonna get some travel agents on the phone. Because the pessimism that you have around revolution means you don't wanna do it. The pessimism, if your first mind as to why it won't work, that just means you don't wanna do the work. You don't wanna see it work. You're comfortable in this state, you're comfortable in this space. You like niggas being in disarray. That gives you something to talk about.

[Tanisha]

I don't think it's that niggas is scared.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

They scared of change. They scared of change. That's what I'm saying. They fine with what they looking at in the mir. They're okay with it. Right? And there's an individualism to it, too. Oh, well, as long as I get myself together.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

The rest of these. You know what I mean? It ain't me. If I can do it, you can do it too. And. And. And I'm telling you to lock hands and walk forward together. And you telling me why? Why it's not gonna work. Oh, niggas ain't gonna wanna. No, no. You. You scared, and that's okay. Fear of change, fear of the unknown. You. You. You don't have any experience with that in your lifetime. Seeing that. That progress that we can make, seeing that unity that we can have. The reason why the elders are constantly talking about it, because they seen it.

[Tanisha]

Work and they did it.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

They did it. They seen it work, and they. And they participated. We can't even get to boycott Gucci. These default boycotted bus systems, walked, carpooled car. Anything, anything, by any means necessary, quite literally, to prove a point. And you niggas telling me why boycotting Gucci is a bad idea. You're pessimistic about the revolution. You pessimistic about love. You pessimistic about progress, optimistic about bullshit.

[Tanisha]

As long as you look good, you happy.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. I'm telling you, bro, if your first Mind is, Wyatt. Won't work. You're the problem. You're why it won't work. It's you. If the first thing that come out your mouth is, well, you know, niggas ain't going. You're the problem. You're the reason why n't gonna do nothing. You the reason why we're not gonna organize. It's you. You should be galvanized by an opportunity for progress. You should be galvanized. Look at the clips. Look at the comments. The people are ready. People been ready. We ready. We're cutting through all type of bullshit. We don't have any attachment to any. Any big corporates. We don't have no attachment to nothing. We doing this all independent, all solo. This is love, bro, for the people. It's for y'all. Nobody want to cut through the. Nobody want to get on the podcast Mike and say no real. Everybody want clicks. Oh, well, guess who getting the clicks. Guess who getting them? Who getting the engagement? Who getting opportunities. There's opportunity in this. We ain't shouting this shit from the mountaintops. We in this bitch doing it. And we build it progressively, step by step. Go back. Look at the episode 15. Look at the King B episode. The quality went all the way there, but it was decent. Wasn't a whole bunch of pictures on the wall, but it was all right. We seen what we was going for. Wasn't no coffee, black. Wasn't no circus sense. We didn't have the books up here yet. This thing builds over time. Look what we've done in a year. Black people can't do what? You gonna tell me what we can't do. And I done showed you what you could do in a year. Me and my man.

[Tanisha]

You only see my man, but you know his man.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You know the man. You ain't never seen him. You gonna tell me what can't do? Come on, man, let's. Let's get that. Let's get off that. To absolve white people of their crimes by saying we our own worst enemy. Because it's easier for you to believe that if you hate yourself. A person that love they self and know our. And know the conditions and know the systemic efforts that have been made. Not on. Not just efforts. Execution. Execution. Know what they've executed systemically. Know what we've been through. Know how we got our start in this country. We our own worst enemy.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Are you talking about. What are you talking about your worst enemy sitting back. God damn it, man. Who would ever thought it worked this well? God damn. From a hypothesis to proof. Come on, man. Tighten that up, man. I don't want to hear that shit. I promise you, bro, negative talk gonna get you blocked every time. Regressive talk gonna get you blocked. Fear. That fear shit. That scared shit. Cause that's what it is. Trapping.

[Tanisha]

Ain't that just scared?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Just scared. You scared? It's okay to be safe, be scared. Why voice fear so loudly? Why so loudly? Be a coward. Why loudly a coward? Protect this man. Protect who? I don't move in fear. I ain't scared of these. You is. Oh, they ain't gonna like this. I don't give a what did. I don't like how I'm living. I don't like how we living. You talking about what they ain't gonna. Who give a what? These like they don't like. You talking about they ain't gonna like this one Deontay good. That mean I'm doing my job. Y'all out here appeasing these crackers and you telling me protect brother, protect yourself. We ain't we. I'm not. I'm not vocalizing fear like that. I'm not moving in fear. I sleep good at night. We gotta go anyway.

[Tanisha]

Let's go happen one day.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Hey, we gonna go anyway. You still talk about Malcolm and Martin? You still talk about Fred ain't scared to go. You ain't never been that broke you wanted to take yourself out. I work one time so up. Then my tire went flat. I. I was like, man, just go ahead. At least you send it.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You know what I'm saying? What are we doing this for? God damn. I can't even afford a used tire right now. I don't overdraw $3 now. Owe them 40.

[Tanisha]

Might be whooping your ass, boy.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Boy what? Boy, I should have catch your ass on the ropes.

[Tanisha]

Life will whoop your ass.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Have a spirit. You gotta have a spirit of Buster Douglas. Huh? But I thought Mike killed him. I might kill that. I ain't never seen a fall like that. Hey, you got a spirit of Buster Douglas, man, you gotta do it for your mama. Life will give. Life will get with you, bro. Life got hands for real that don't use weapons for it. I'm a straight hands, all hands. Undefeated. Undefeated. Don't whip everybody ass. Name a who. Life ain't. Who ain't got their ass with my life yet. Come on, man. You gonna move in fear after you done bit Buster Douglas and got your ass back up and still won against all the odds? Really? David and Goliath. They've been trying to get rid of you since you got here. You hard to kill. And you telling me what we won't do. You telling me who to be scared of. You moving in fear like that, that's a part of you you gotta check. Why am I. Why am I so scared? Why these real questions you gotta ask yourself? Because only thing to fear is fear itself. Look, crackers, when they finna take over a country, them niggas got good catchphrases.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Huh? The only thing to fear is fear itself. Who said that?

[Tanisha]

Who came up with that?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I think Ronald Reagan said that. Oh, hold on, son. Hold on, son.

[Tanisha]

Ronald Reagan is crazy. Before he dropped the crack off in the hood. Dropped the crack off in the hood say, all right, let's do it. Let's get it.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I got. I got me and I got these guys with me, man. In good letterman, members only jackets, three letter organization. Hey, look, as long as me and the guys. The only thing to fear is fear itself. Drop that crack off Ronald Reagan. Just quoting Ronald Reagan. That's crazy. That went and said we couldn't do this.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Nah, just keep planning, keep organizing. Keep running them experiments. We got the right people on our team. We believe in our team. We believe in our ability to destroy. These weren't pessimistic about it at all. Nobody second guessed. Nobody. Nothing. Full steam ahead. All optimism. Glass half full.

[Tanisha]

Yep. Drop the crack off in the hood. Leave a few guns too.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah. A crate of guns.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And a silencer. Do one.

[Tanisha]

Just, just give him that.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Tanisha]

See what happens.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And we're gonna sit back for a few years.

[Tanisha]

Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Ronald Reagan. Nothing to fear. It was fdr.

[Tanisha]

Close enough.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Same. Same. Hold up, man. FDR said that. And then put in the Great Depression.

[Tanisha]

Said then to rob blind.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Say the only thing to fear is fear itself. We're off the gold stand. The money. The money's back. By nothing is his soup lines. The dust bowl happened. Only thing to fear is fear itself.

[Tanisha]

Soup lines and dust bowls.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Crazy.

[Tanisha]

Businessmen were leaping to their death.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Nah word. Yeah.

[Tanisha]

In the Great Depression.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Nah, son. Full suit.

[Tanisha]

Jumping out the window.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Jumping out the window. The only thing to fear is fear itself. Wasn't never scared about destruction. They ain't give a. Wasn't scared of nothing. You scared of progress.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

They got you scared of progress. Scared of progress. And they have no fear in their destruction. No. No pessimism. Their ability to steal down Second guess that they playing. Everybody on board is hitting licks all day and night because they, they. The scare money don't make no money in their mind. They take that dead serious, huh? To take off the gold standard like.

[Tanisha]

It'S backed by nothing.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

No, no, we really turning this real monopoly money now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The only thing to fear is fear.

[Tanisha]

And they did it to their own people.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

They did that to their own people, the poor whites.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Go look at. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. That came from being dirty. Hey, yo, FDR did that.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

So you ain't have to do that. Yeah, yeah.

[Tanisha]

That's how you can.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh, doctor did that. So hopefully you don't have to go that walk. So Reagan could run. Yo, word.

[Tanisha]

Reagan sprinted.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Nah, nah. Reagan was breaking records. Woo. We didn't think it was gonna work this fast. God damn, that shit done went from California to Georgia in a matter of years.

[Tanisha]

Yo. Not even years.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

No, it was quick. It was six months, probably six months tops. God damn, this shit spreading like a wildfire. Shit worse than the dust bowl gave.

[Tanisha]

N a crack bowl.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

The crack bowl is crazy.

[Tanisha]

No soup, all crack.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

No supply. No supply, no supply. Chain gangs, paddy wagons. That's it. That's it. No, only the only niggas is lined up to go to jail. Bread and water. Yeah, that's it. God damn, man. Imagine how dirty you got to be. We're gonna put the baby in the dirty ass bath water too. Bad day.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Is out in the field working all day, just trying to make an honest dollar. Pops take the first bath. Pops get the clean water.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, Pops been out there working all day.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Pops been out there working all day. Time you get in the bathtub, that gray, that's. Oh, disgusting.

[Tanisha]

And it's cold.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh, yeah. You know it ain't got no heat. Yeah, you know is selfish. Took up all the hot water.

[Tanisha]

All the hot water. You got to boil it some more. Turn that crock pot back off.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, turn that crock pot. What's that? What's that? That witches be using. What is that? Witches tried to clean the water, put a spell on it, bring it back. I put a spell on you for a dime. Nigga's out here smoking a dime. Nigga put a in the cauldron. Put a nigga in the cauldron. Like Bugs Bunny. Yo, Bugs Bunny was starving, chopping them. Nigga was throwing carrots in there, bitching everything.

[Tanisha]

Boss wasn't even dead.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

He's like, I know she warm. Yo. You finna be rabbits too. That's you. That's what happened in Great Depression. Turn into rabbits too? No. Did you like bruh? They said bruh. So there's a young lady on Tick Tock, young white lady really doing the knowledge.

[Tanisha]

Okay.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Doing knowledge on the dust bowl. Oh, how devastating. It really was. Okay. To the point where they were saying, like, even if you was in the house, first of all, your house would be covered in dirt. Like. Like a snowstorm.

[Deontay Kyle]

Damn.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

They said even if you in the house, dirt in your eyes, like, you gotta. You gotta cover your mouth because niggas was dying from too much dust being in their lungs. Dirty eyes. Then they said, because it's like, you know, this is Great Plains, tall grass. They not even supposed to be with that, but they was going, trying to get money and you know how that shit gonna. And up the ecosystem. They said to the point where, like, you would hear in the distance like a buzzing and it would be locusts, millions of locusts. And there's an account where a little boy said they ate the clothes off his daddy in a matter of minutes.

[Tanisha]

The locust.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

The locust.

[Tanisha]

That's crazy.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

That is movie. That's like piranha. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know, the dropping, the water come out bones. That's what it was like. Ate the clothes off his body and. And I mean, we using real textiles for clothing back then. Yeah, that's real thick. Ain't even own jeans yet. Jeans. Denim didn't even exist. He's got wool.

[Tanisha]

In a dust bowl is crazy.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

First of all, to be in a dust bowl in wool. Already heavy. Yeah, it's hot.

[Tanisha]

Add the dust to it.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

First of all, if there is a dust bowl, mean no trees present.

[Tanisha]

Nothing.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. So the thing is, they said it was so devastating, like you couldn't come. Like, if it was a storm happening, Even in the house, you not safe. Like, in the house, you got to get low and cover your mouth, close your eyes. There was new diseases developed from the dust bowl. And also like this dustmania thing where people would be like literally losing their mind. Walk around in circles, talking to themselves. Yeah, I just thought, first of all, I thought it was just like a summer. This was like mad years for one.

[Tanisha]

One summer is crazy.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Just had a bad season, Bad summer. I was like, damn, must be really bad. They told us about it. No shit. Was like a decade for one. And then they said this. The dust done flew all the way to goddamn New York.

[Tanisha]

New York was dusty. Well, this dust coming from, son.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, man. What the Son, first of all, it's the 30s. Don't talk on the block. Yo, B.

[Tanisha]

What the niggas at the Cotton Club.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

My shit.

[Tanisha]

Get my shit.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Dusty, son. Yeah, man. Yo, son, I'm in here trying to dance, nigga. Cab Calloway up there giving a performance of a lifetime. Duke Ellington in this bitch. Bay Ruth in the corner, baby. Over there on the benches drinking beer.

[Tanisha]

Red clawed in the back.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yes, yes. It's mad dust in here, man.

[Tanisha]

Man, but not my three pieces.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, man. Don't know how to treat their customers. I just got this in there in a zoot suit. Suit getting dusting the shit. Maybe. Mad as fuck.

[Tanisha]

How the we begin to these places.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I don't know, man. I don't know, man. I was like, damn. Yo, we was just talking about revolution.

[Tanisha]

End up at the Cotton Club in the Dust Bowl.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Dust Bowl, Cotton Club crossovers. Yes. Only us.

[Tanisha]

Only us, baby.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Who else is going to give you Dust Bowl Cotton Club content, huh? Babe. Roof in the building with red cloth. Talk about their protest. Get those out of New York.

[Tanisha]

Get those out of Harlem right now.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I think, you know, it's. The thing is like really just got to be honest about the pessimism we have about progress. We're very pessimistic when it comes to progress. Very optimistic when a put you on a new scam, though some that might not work. What's that? That was going around during the pandemic. The little PVP song. And didn't hesitate when never looked at the PPP loan and said, this ain't gonna work. Yeah. Nah. Just seen a withdraw 80. 80 cash.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

80 racks the consequences. Right. All I'm saying you do is Love yourself.

[Tanisha]

Yeah. 80,000. Trying to get that off. Try to get that off.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh. Oh, yeah. Said, man, love what a money wasn't. Nah. But wasn't wasn't pessimistic about like risking your freedom. You telling you got a. A mobile detailing business. You ain't even got no car.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You're going to prison, brother. Oh, my God.

[Tanisha]

Why you need 100 million for mobile details?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

They got a PPP loan. $50 million PPP loan. They got mobile detail. The. What kind of cars you watching?

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

What you watching? Bugattis. Is it Bugattis only.

[Tanisha]

Where is this mobile detail place at?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

They going to Andrew Tate house only. Celebrities only.

[Tanisha]

High end.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah. Bugatti. Andrew Tate. The other, the other tape, brother. It just, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, it was another thing going On. What was that? What was that? Like you on the virtual nft.

[Tanisha]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh, no. Pessimism behind the nft. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can get a. A boring ape for 2000 and make 200.

[Tanisha]

Monkey in a suit.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Monkey in a suit. Monkey really got. Really got going. Yeah, love monkeys. White people love monkeys.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, let's get some monkeys behind.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Tanisha]

Sick work, y'all. Fall for it every time.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Let's get these monkeys a monkey. Yeah, let's put some drip on them.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Until takeoff to buy one. Rest in peace. But the thing is, to be pessimistic about pro progress is. It's insanity.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Just be scared, bro. First of all, Zeus network.

[Tanisha]

Zeus network is the devil.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

No, I want to see. I need to know. I need to know when. When the Shade Room came into existence, because if I'm not mistaken, we had a lot of natural hair, not a lot of progressive black movements going on. Then the Shade Room just came out.

[Tanisha]

Just popped up, just negative.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

That's the CIA, bro. They don't stop.

[Tanisha]

Shade Room popped up like crack in the 80s. It's popped up online. They popped up with a million followers.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, what the.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, they popped up with a million just to get you hooked.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. I can't even say shorty name. The devil is using Nigerians to destroy black America. I don't know how to say. Angelica in Wandu, founder of the motherfucking Shade Room. What the fuck? 2014. A lot of positive black action. Lot of positive black movement online in 2014. And then here comes the Shade Room up ever since. Correlation. Anybody just saying what made a say. Everybody out here calling themselves kings and queens. Grand rising black women are embracing their natural beauty, embracing their hair. Right? The brothers is getting locks. Everybody got locks. Yeah, we, we, we. We. We talking about buying black.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, sp.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And empowering the black dollar.

[Tanisha]

He was locked up a sponging, sponging real heavy.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, oh, it was a lot of stuff.

[Tanisha]

Yo, yo, whoever was the. The.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

The.

[Tanisha]

The hair person on Black Panther, everybody was sponged up.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, good. Sponge on that.

[Tanisha]

Sponge on the same.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

No wholesale sponges. Yeah, all of these things are going on. And then in comes the Shade Room. That tsr, the real terror squad. And then we get. It wasn't Zeus network. It was, you know, some real. What's Shorty name? VH1 Shorty. All this reality TV.

[Tanisha]

Oh, Mona Scott.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Mona and Angelica. You'll have to answer for your crimes. Destroying the black image as soon as Calling each other kings and queens. We need on tv with bus downs, makeup, throwing drinks.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Huh?

[Tanisha]

Yeah, let's do that.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And a constant state of the toxic cycle of a relationship. That's what we need. That's what we need.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. No more tv. One, huh? This is bullshit, man.

[Tanisha]

Fall for it every time.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Every time. March 2014, right after Black History Month. Probably one of the biggest black history months in existence in existence. Shade room rolls out the shade rooms they see. I said, man, it man, we need something. Yeah, they like a three letter tsr Got him. We got them every goddamn time, man. Let's get into some of these emails we could do. We'll do the voicemails first. All right.

[Tanisha]

What?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

It's just. It's. It's. I never. I never understand how we didn't put two and two together. We really was having like a really big black movement on Instagram in 2014.

[Tanisha]

Yeah. When did Black Panther come out? Because that what took the cake. Yo. In the movies with Dashiki's on.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, son.

[Tanisha]

Wow, this is going crazy on the blood.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

It was more current than that. It was 2018.

[Tanisha]

Black Panther. Okay.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Shay Room was in its senior year.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Four years.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And then we got like Zeus network and it's like baddies and like that. Like, why are you. First of all, Natalie, keep it real. That's an ugly ass, man.

[Tanisha]

Natalie Nunn, Natalie Dunn.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Sex trafficker. You heard it here first. Y'all letting this. This is the Y'all getting on tv, fighting for. Come on, man. Look at the representation in media 50 cent made multiverse of crack dealing. Just. Yo, the crack dealer multiverse.

[Tanisha]

Wow.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And. And is, man. It's the best thing on tv.

[Tanisha]

Best ain't smoking.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Best ain't smoking. Have suspended reality because there's no. First of all, Ghost is going to prison. Episode one.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, he's. He's definitely going to prison.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

James St. Patrick. Yeah. You just in the top of the club, just looking down.

[Tanisha]

Yeah. Crack doesn't even move like that.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Where are you getting this work from out here? Running from low balls and lobos. I was scared of Lobos. Yeah. Hold on. Let's talk about. Let's talk about. Before we get into that. I just am interested in the dynamic of 50 Cent and like the little Meech situation.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

It's just odd. Like, I bet Lil Meech be sad. It's like, damn, Pops really came home and fucked everything up for me.

[Tanisha]

Fucked the play up.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Fucked the whole play up. Cause if you don't think that Big Meech was going to be on that show if. On that bmf. If you don't think Big Meech was on his way to making an appearance, you're out of your mind. Yeah, that was gonna do his whole bid. Yeah, he's gonna do time in prison. Big Meech.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, him.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Him actually still doing the workouts. He looks odd. He look a little weird. Some look off.

[Tanisha]

Yeah. Something off about him. Yeah, I think it's the chin strap. He's still rocking the chin like it's 2004.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I think it's like he's a small head with them braids. The proportions is all.

[Tanisha]

Hey, big body.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, there's a little beanzino Bill. Yeah. Little Benzino. Yeah. A lot of jaw on that pit bull hanging from the tree. Yeah, man, I. You know that, that, that, that correlation. Look, even the candle. Even the candle agrees. Yeah, Even the candle agrees. Yeah. These niggas, but these niggas fire. Yeah, man, bruh, we really went from black, black love to the shade room. Seamlessly call niggas by their mind. Got niggas mind gone, bro.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Are you looking all day? Is it what? How the shade room is. How do we showcase the absolute worst aspects of black, black people while we was having a movement to showcase our best aspects?

[Tanisha]

Love drama.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Love the CIA. Yeah, you, you. They get you every time. All right, let's go.

[Caller 1]

Hey, what's going on? Deontay and Big Ice Cup. I'm gonna keep it short and sweet for you guys. What is your rap Wish upon a star? And to give you, like, some clarity on that, like, what are something know you guys, like, wish would happen in rap that you feel like could actually still be possible at one point in time. For me, it used to be the Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole project, but I know that's gone. But for. For me right now, after listening to life is beautiful, two chains and Larry Jr. Optimist, I really want two chains to finally get that whole verse. So that is my rap wish upon star. I want to hear what your opinions are or what y'all. What y'all rap wish pawn stars are. Appreciate y'all much love.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Great question. Yeah.

[Tanisha]

In unison.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh, shit.

[Tanisha]

Touched our heart on that one. Shout out to you, man.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Niggas really hit a real time jinx. Yeah. I ain't gonna lie off that concept album. The song that I want to see the most is I would love to see Alchemist produce a song with Saha and Sauce Walker. I think that would be one of the coldest songs we ever see. And then that Pusha Tngeezy shit. Yes, I had some shit on there.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Some shit on there. Yeah. I already gave y'all what my shit is. That concept album, Southern Alchemy. That's it. That's it. What about you?

[Tanisha]

My hip hop dream is this is. I wish that DJ Clue was as big as DJ Khaled.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Clue, Clue, Clue. Clue. Desert Storm.

[Tanisha]

Because he started.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, Clue started it all.

[Caller 2]

Clue, Clue.

[Tanisha]

There's no reason why. Why Clue isn't in DJ Khaled's position.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

No, that's a fact, though. That's a fact.

[Tanisha]

No reason why.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Ran to the Arab and that didn't even support his people when they was going through a genocide that didn't make a peep about Gaza.

[Tanisha]

When Clue. You had Clue the whole time?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

We had Clue the whole time.

[Tanisha]

Clue mixtapes. Had to have a Clue mixtape.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

What?

[Tanisha]

Clue freestyles. All right, and my second one is I want HOV on a Conductor Williams. Beat that bitch will be cold. Matter of fact, I want HOV on a conduct, Just a HOV and Conductor Williams.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Let us get like, seven tracks.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, let's get that.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

We need that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that would be crazy. No features.

[Tanisha]

No features. Hov Conductor Williams.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, that's it.

[Tanisha]

If I hit Conductor, then I hear ho.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh, my God, like, bursting the flames. I'm like, die.

[Tanisha]

Have an auto body experience.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

It's the big one, man. That would be crazy. Oh, that's hov.

[Tanisha]

Conductor Williams.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Hov Conductor Williams. Man, that'd be nuts. Yeah, love that, bro. Hell yeah. Shout out to you, bro. All right, call her number two.

[Caller 2]

Hi, everyone.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Hi.

[Caller 2]

Deontay cow hot big ice cup. I love all you guys. Love you. Tick tock. Been watching you for some years now. Love the podcast. Love everything. So my name is Tanisha. I'm 28. I'm from Dallas, Texas. And so I just wanted, like, suggestions on what should I do or just tips. Not really suggestions, but I guess just tips on what should I do. I've been in education since 2019, like, as a teacher assistant, stuff like that. Office aid, disciplinary assistant, things of that nature. And then this year, I moved to another job, and I'm just noticing some things from the school that I went to that was in a predominantly black neighborhood to now I'm in a predominantly white neighborhood, but the kids there are predominantly black in the school. I'm a few credits shy from being a teacher, and I just needed some tips on how to keep Pushing for our people, keep pushing for our kids and be the example that they need to see every single day to keep coming into school. So basically we have three. We have 50 sixth graders, we have three principals, we have main principal and then a fifth and sixth grade principal. They're all white women. And then the secretary is a white woman. I'm the only black woman in the office, so I already knew what that was. That was a nigga pig. I knew that from Jump Street. I was cool with that. I'm cool. I'm cool with being it. Because I'm trying to infiltrate from the inside. I'm trying to get in from the inside and make a difference and fake some up. So who I was in my interview is not who I am now. You know, that's not who I am. And I guess your knowledge that, oh, she's gonna be silent, she's gonna be quiet because everybody in the office is white or everybody in. The teachers are mainly white, but the kids are predominantly black. No, that's not how the this happened at all. So I just. I've noticed a difference in how the black kids are treated than white kids and domestic kids and things like that. Of that nature. Little Jonathan can come in the office for walking out the classroom because his friend was in the hallway. He walked out, walked back in. But Jimmy, he can throw a book across the damn classroom. He can throw a chair at the teacher head and is not reprimanded at all. Shit like that pisses me off. So I just wanted some tips on how to continue to deal with these white folks and keep pushing through, keep persevering and keeping an example for our black kids. That's my goal. It's just to keep going. So for them mainly. But thank you all so much. Thank y'all for listening. Thank you, y'all. Blessed week. Bye. Bye.

[Tanisha]

Say two things before you get started.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Tanisha]

One, be the voice for the black kids. You're the only black person in the office, and you see the black kids are being handled different than the white kids. You be the voice. You speak up for them, you know, and also be the. Be the representation for them. You know, they see you, they see themselves in you. You talk to them, you know. You know how we talk. You just talk to them and then you give them the advice. You give them the words of encouragement. That's all you got to do, really. Just be there.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Be the.

[Tanisha]

Be that cool person that talk to them, but also be stern with them too. You know, you gotta have. You gotta have the Balance. You gotta have the. The coolness, and you also gotta have the sternness. Keep it real with them. Yeah, Just also always keep it real with them.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Provide safety.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

A safe space for them.

[Tanisha]

Right.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

What else you got?

[Tanisha]

That's it, bro.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You ate that down with that infiltration. That was a bar. Because, listen, we said this at the Jackson show. I think we should reiterate this here. We look at code switching as us assimilating. When we look. Need to look at it as infiltration, we're bilingual, too. Go get the information. Yeah. You know, does it feel weird to have to put on that mask? Yeah, but they put on that mask all the time. They don't mind coming to the mask and. And appropriating our culture. They don't mind coming, talking, using our talking points, using our literature, using our history to gain our trust just to fuck us over. They don't mind that facts. They don't never call that code switching. They call it infiltration. And we should have the same mentality. We need. We are needed in all of these spaces. And you're needed. You are. You are more needed than, you know, to them black kids, because they know that you're there. They probably feel alone. I know they feel outcast, and I know they feel targeted, but they know they got you. You're already doing it. Just, you know, be. Continue to be an advocate for them. You know, that. That more than anything, that'll have a positive impact and they'll remember you. But we commend you. I mean, you still doing your thing. It's not hard to be the only one. But unfortunately, in this country, there's always going to be the first. When it comes to black people, we're always going to be the first something. You get to be the first. We the first podcast to talk about real shit consistently. You the first. Keep being the first. Hi. Oh, yeah, that was it. We got the regular emails now.

[Tanisha]

All right.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Get y'all these emails. We're going to get up out of here, and then tomorrow we'll. Next week we'll start the new music. But we'll do it. We'll do. We'll drop like two episodes.

[Tanisha]

Okay.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

That day. That way I can get them back to back, because we got some to do today and it's rummaging down that son finna go down. Test food up. All right. Hello. I absolutely love the podcast, love the great work y'all have been doing. I do currently need advice, though. I'm 21 years old, and last semester I was supposed to graduate with my bio degree. But because of my declining mental health, I was recently diagnosed bipolar. I failed two classes. After discovering this, I decided to take the semester off and start full time at social service center. I've spoken to my advisors and I am ready to return in the fall. The problem is I go to school in a very small town. I had to work in a slightly larger town about 30 minutes away and there are very few jobs. I'm currently debating taking an eight week biotechnology processing program in my hometown, two hours away. The program is free and includes a stipend, but I will have to step away from from my job for about a month because the program is incredibly extensive. The major problem is that I am very independent. I have a job, pay my own bills, I have my own apartment and will have to move back in with my mother to complete the program while I am still paying rent. Me and my family have an incredibly tumultuous relationship and I am nervous to begin depending on them again as I do not have a car or any friends in my hometown. I also have to worry about the rent I will still be paying. I'm just nervous about having to go home just to come right back to finish my degree. Do you have any advice? That's a tough one.

[Tanisha]

Sometimes you gotta do what you got to do.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Here's the thing, 21, you, you're. You're a three year old adult, okay? So big picture, right? You got to be. This is the time where you really got to get big picture. Whatever you got to do. First of all, shout out to you for going to get that diagnosis so you can take care of your mental health in a proper way. But this is a situation where you have to think about the pros and the cons moving back, being uncomfortable for a little while is going to get. Is going to land you closer to the. The dream that you have for your path. Right. Maybe it's not ideal, but if you could deal with them people for 18 years, you can deal with them for eight weeks.

[Tanisha]

Ain't gonna kill you.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Ain't gonna kill you. You're gonna be all right. Prepare yourself and, and you just. You finna go do a bit, you know what I'm saying? Just go do a bit. Like we big. Ain't about nothing but you getting it yourself. I wonder how we could help her with transportation on.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, I wonder where she lives though.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Tanisha]

Like what, where she's from?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Tanisha]

She said a small town, right?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. If you could email us and like let us know like where you are. Because it got to be a way we can help with like, transportation. Like maybe we can start like a Lyft account or something like that. Yeah, get us something and get, like, people to donate to the Lyft account. Is there. That has to be a possibility.

[Tanisha]

I'm pretty sure we have a strong community here. Yeah, there's somebody.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I mean. Yeah. Because transfer the transportation is the part that kind of threw me. Yeah. Even if one of the guys out there, one of the girls out there, y'all got access to some vehicles, right? We can help this young lady get some transportation, which will ease her mind about like, because if you at home. But you can get gone, you can.

[Tanisha]

Go, you can leave.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You can go and leave as you come, please, as you do. I want to like that, that. Alleviate a lot of that. And then just for eight weeks, Right. Even if it's just, you know what I'm saying, a little bucket. Matter of fact, if it gets you from A to B, get you right.

[Tanisha]

Good old.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Good gas, good oil. Get gas.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Hey, them cylinders firing? Yeah, we good? Email me. We'll see what we could put together. If anybody have, you know, we should be willing to donate like maybe a GoFundMe or. Or just start up a cash app just specifically for her so she can. Oh, so she can get lifts and.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You know what I'm saying? I think a car is asking for a bit much, but I mean, if. If somebody out there wanted to do.

[Tanisha]

It, they can donate.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Hey, one. One of the rich. One of you rich. I know it's some rich folks tapped in. You know what I'm saying, man, spend that fire rates and get this young lady a little Corolla or something. Yeah, let's get her something so we can roll around. Nice little Honda. Yeah, Yeah, I. I'm not going to say your name, but you know who you are. Initials a.m. please reach out to me. We're gonna figure out what we could do to you to help you with the transportation part. Right. Everything else. Because being in. Being in a place that doesn't have public transportation without a whip is extremely stressful. And we don't want you relying on people that you have a tumultuous relationship with for transportation, because that is. That's some shit that niggas will hold over your head. And luckily she just sent this four days ago, so we, we can get this. Get this going quick. I think you should do what you need to do, though. I think you, you, you on your path. You're on your Path to career. And you. You know the things that you need to do to achieve that, and this is one of them. And you're gonna be fine. You're gonna be good. It's eight weeks, and you're 21. You got a long life to live. You already independent. You already got your own shit going on. This is just gonna further your independence and further what you. Your ability to do for yourself. So don't overthink it. Just go ahead and get that. Get that going, and we'll see what we can do on our end to help.

[Tanisha]

Yeah, for sure.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Thank you for reaching out. There's a dead cat in my attic. All right. What's up, big cat? What's up, Deontay? I wanted to be what's up, Deontay? And big cat, I wanted to be quick. This story is strange but meaningful. My roommate is in his 30s. He hoards everything, information and anything that has sentimental value. He saves jars, magazines, and little things that have meaning to him, to him. And it's fine because he. It doesn't get in my way. Mostly, the attic has developed into a metaphor for how he deals with most of his issues. He tucks it away and doesn't think about it. Anything he doesn't want to deal with or causes him stress goes into the attic. Recently, one of his cats died. Rip. He was a sweet soul. He was in a box in the living room for two days. All right, so your roommate is white.

[Tanisha]

Has to be.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I mean, well, hoarding is a mental illness, though. It's not.

[Tanisha]

I mean, I've seen. I've seen the shows.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, they're mostly white. Oh, what happened? He was in a boxing living room for two days. I didn't want to bury him because that's his cat and he will take care of it. The next day, I come home from work, and it's gone. I'm thinking he did something with it. A weeks go by, a week goes by, and I asked him if he buried his cat. He replied, no, he's in the attic.

[Tanisha]

What? Get out of there.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

The next sentence. I can't do this. As a black man, I know holding on to things is detrimental to one's health. He's beautiful man, funny, talented, confident. But he hoards away his trauma and doesn't deal with it. I've met plenty of men like this. They've experienced so much trauma in their life that eventually it stored away as another thing to put in the attic. How can we get these men to unpack and deal with their issues in My case, literally, it's gotten too much for me to handle. Maybe drop some knowledge to get to them, you know? No, this is a mental illness. Here's the thing that we don't talk about when it comes to trauma. Trauma makes some people really crack. You know what I'm saying? To reference something we talked about earlier, A new mental illness being discovered during the dust bowl. Because that is a traumatic experience. People are cracking under the pressure. And here's. Here's another thing. Just, you know, to visualize this situation, right. It starts as one thing. Starts you putting one thing in the attic. And there's a lot of space in the attic. By the time you fill the attic up, you don't want to unpack all that shit. Damn. And then you just keep adding because it becomes too much to unpack. So you just pack on more. And I think in a situation like this, definitely a therapist has to be involved. Right? Right. We need to go. Like, we need to get hoarders on the phone. Get. Because a dead cat is crazy in the attic. Throwing the cat in the attic is insanity. Took him up. He could have just put him in the ground. He took him upstairs.

[Tanisha]

I'm sure the attic smells.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh, oh. Disgusting. Decompose. There's a decomposing body in there.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And not to mention the magic maggots. That's what I was just gonna say. Like, nah, this is nasty, bro. I would. Yeah, man. I mean, yeah, get up out of there for one. But the only thing that can break through to this is therapy because this had. This has. This has such a strong root. There's a root here that is so strong that it's informed everything else. And, you know, words alone can't help. This is gonna be a process. Like, somebody's gonna have to really burrow into that mentality that he has, because at this point, it's such a. It's a comfort space for him. And it's such a repetitive behavior that, like, yeah, man, talk therapy and maybe a diagnosis. There's. There's definitely something here to be diagnosed. Right? Because no. No sane person is. Is putting a dead cat in the attic. Nobody. I know you at your wits end. When you said, he saves jars, I knew we done with a real hoarder.

[Tanisha]

Real hoarder.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Because how long before the piss jars show up? You know what I'm saying? Like, it gets. It gets bad. We're dealing with people that are unwell. I don't really have any advice for, like, him, per se. I would just say you know you did the right thing by getting up out of there, protecting yourself. But man, that, that man is going to need professional help.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

That's where he's at with it. Thank you for reaching out. All right. My wife is one and done. Hey, deontay and big ice cup. My wife and I are turning 30 this year. We have one year old daughter. I'm a blue collar scholar and I make enough money so that my wife can stay home and pour into our daughter.

[Tanisha]

Congrats, my brother.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Shout out to you, brother. She's a great mother and we have a great marriage. The problem is my wife had a C section and was traumatized by the spinal tap which is similar to epidural but more painful. She swears she'd never do it again and just wants to give her all to our daughter. When we first got together, we bonded over our vision of having. Of our vision of raising a family of two to three children. But now I'm afraid we won't ever have that. It's her life. It's her life being at risk.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Okay. What if she goes to get the other C section and then she's rendered paralyzed from the waist down? Right. These are things we have to think about.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Division is going to change as time goes on. Right. You know these, this is a big variable.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You couldn't account for this. All right. I understand you're upset and I understand that it changes hard. But just pour into your baby. We're going to keep going.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

People tell me she will get past it and we will have more. But she seems adamant about it and says she'd rather have me kids with somebody else because she believes I deserve more kids. I've considered that. But I know her and I know she's not about that life. Keeping the family together is huge to me and I know that would tear us apart. With most things in life, I just put my trust in a higher power. But with us getting older, I'm afraid if I don't take action, I may lose out on having a son. How would you guys handle this situation? I think that you're gonna have to settle with that. You're gonna have a daughter. Right. And you pour your all into the daughter and the vision didn't come to fruition the way that you thought it would.

[Tanisha]

Right.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

So you risk a great marriage and a great wife and a great life, or you just want to have another child and either put her at risk. Right. Because here's another thing. There ain't no guarantee you're gonna have a son. Right. So what's gonna happen if you have another daughter? Then you have another daughter. Then what?

[Tanisha]

And then she's messed up from the waist down.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Or like, even worse.

[Tanisha]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Because C section is complicated.

[Tanisha]

Yeah. She had to get cut open.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Tanisha]

Yeah. Fellas, we gotta. We gotta do better with that.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Look, man, when it comes to women in their bodies, and if you really love her, you gotta put. You gotta put that to the side.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Okay. Because she risked her life to have your daughter right already.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

A spinal tap is crazy insane, bro. To C section on your first child.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Her fear is valid as you didn't have to go through it.

[Tanisha]

You have to deal with that experience.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You have to deal that that wasn't your body being cut open and you didn't have to deal with that pain. On top of the pain and being. And. And being a mother to a newborn, which is extremely demanding. I think. I think, look, to have the thoughts to. To be disappointed because things changed and you had expectations. Hey, man, expectations is always going to leave you disappointed. But what is more important here?

[Tanisha]

The safety of your wife.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

The safety of your wife, you know, she's down and pouring her all into your daughter. Or is it. I have to have a son.

[Tanisha]

Yeah. I mean, Kobe was one of the greatest basketball players on earth. Didn't have a son, but him and Gigi balled out.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Love your child, bro. Focus on your child. And. And you didn't lose anything.

[Tanisha]

Nah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Things changed because the situation changed. Because if she had a healthy and a, you know, easy pregnancy, easy birth, you know, as easy as it can be.

[Tanisha]

And it's hard.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And it's hard on women. And then the medical system is terrible to black women, so why even. Hey, man, let that go. Okay.

[Tanisha]

Sound pretty selfish.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

This is. This is selfish. And this is you not being able to deal with having a pivot because things changed. It's not personal. She doesn't want to. Not. She suggesting that you should have babies with other women, with somebody else just so you can have a son is a sign of how much she loves you and she's considering. But also a sign that she is not willing to risk her life for this. You have a beautiful, healthy daughter. Y'all had the vision. The Things changed. Things changed.

[Tanisha]

Life don't always go as planned.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

It doesn't go as planned. And you pivot from your expectations, and you pivot from the vision you had and pour your vision into your daughter.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And if you. If it's that serious, adopt a little boy.

[Tanisha]

Yeah. Plenty of black. Little black boys that don't get.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Plenty of. Plenty of black boys that don't get adopted. If we. If we talking that. And that can be your legacy. It may not be blood, but what will make you closer.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, man. Just. You know, I don't. I don't feel about you how I felt about the other one. You seem like a good guy.

[Tanisha]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

But you're just being selfish and you're let down because you had expectations. And when we have expectations, we're leaving so much room for ourselves to be let down. I wish you, on your wife, the best. Go kiss your daughter. Change your mentality about it. Stop. And don't be having people asking her about this shit either.

[Tanisha]

Apologize to your wife, man.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Apologize to her. Y'all have a great day. This is episode 53, till next time. Love yourself, take care of yourself. Take care of each other.