Episode 61 - The Proximity War

Summary

Grits and Eggs Podcast – Episode 61: The Proximity War

Release Date: April 15, 2025
Host: Deontay Kyle
Guest Co-Host: Big Ice Cup Cat

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Merchandising and Community Support

In the early part of the episode, Deontay Kyle emphasizes the importance of supporting the podcast through merchandise purchases. He highlights that "100% of all the profits from the merch" go directly to supporting Suki, the mastermind behind their designs and an art teacher dedicated to at-risk youth in Minnesota.

Deontay Kyle [04:00]: "We just telling the people... you earn 100% of all the profits from the merch."

Deontay and Big Ice Cup Cat discuss the latest spring collection, including slogans like "Boredom is a blessing" and "You can't escape your skin," reinforcing the show's connection to its listeners.

Upcoming Events and Announcements

The hosts share exciting plans for upcoming events aimed at fostering community engagement:

• Grits and Eggs Day (July): Featuring bounce houses and collaborations at local parks, potentially Piedmont Park or Hunter Park in Douglasville.

  Deontay Kyle [05:47]: "We're gonna have bounce houses... Show them niggas how we get down out here."

• Memorial Day Meet and Greet (May 31): Hosted at Grits and Eggs Breakfast Kitchen in Atlanta's Summer Hill, offering exclusive merch and community bonding opportunities.

• Juneteenth United We Heal Film Festival (June 19-20): Deontay will host at the Philadelphia Underground Art Center, highlighting black and brown independent filmmakers.

• Atlantic Comic Con (August 23-24): Participation in one of six black-owned comic cons in the country, including a live show and meet and greet.

Additionally, the podcast announces its nomination for Podcast of the Year at the AAMBC and BIA Awards, encouraging listeners to vote.

Deontay Kyle [10:58]: "Podcast of the Year nominated coming soon. August 2nd is the AAMBC Awards..."

Main Discussion: The Proximity War

The core of the episode delves into what Deontay terms the "Proximity War," analyzing how close exposure to negative societal influences can obscure the underlying causes of issues within the black community.

• Systemic Issues and Media Influence:
  Deontay critiques how media perpetuates negative stereotypes, emphasizing crimes within the black community as “Black on Black crime,” which only represents a small fraction (<5%) of the population.

  Deontay Kyle [14:25]: "We're in proximity to the effects, so we don't see the causes nor think about the causes."

• Carmelo Anthony Case:
  Discussion centers on the legal challenges faced by 17-year-old Carmelo Anthony, highlighting issues of racial bias and misinformation online. The hosts urge community support and legal assistance.

  Deontay Kyle [14:29]: "The talks have came out, the eyewitnesses have came out... he's just a young black man. So let's keep supporting Carmelo Anthony."

• Capitalism and Consumerism Critique:
  A robust critique of overpriced luxury items, particularly Birkin bags, is presented as a symbol of American capitalist greed. Deontay questions the ethical implications of charging exorbitant prices for goods that cost significantly less to produce.

  Deontay Kyle [18:19]: "They go and they manufacture the bag, and except for the tagging and label apart... free to make multiple streams of income with this thing."

Global Pettiness and Overpriced Luxury Goods

The conversation shifts to global consumer practices, specifically targeting the inflated pricing of luxury goods produced by Chinese manufacturers. The hosts argue that these markups are unsustainable and highlight the disparity between production costs and retail prices.

Big Ice Cup Cat [20:11]: "That's the cost of it."

Deontay Kyle [20:13]: "Cause it's still good. Genuine leather, right? But it ain't that."

Listener Engagement: Voicemails and Emails

Several listener interactions are addressed, offering advice and support:

1. Career Advice for a Female Listener:
   A 26-year-old black woman seeks guidance on career direction after struggling to find fulfilling work in her science degree field. Deontay suggests leveraging community connections and considering further education if it aligns with her goals.

   Deontay Kyle [80:58]: "I could say this... look into what type of work you can do in your community."

2. Entering the Trades for a Male Listener:
   A 24-year-old man from South Carolina requests assistance in securing an apprenticeship in electrical or HVAC trades. Deontay provides resources like Roadtex.com and offers to connect him with potential mentors.

   Deontay Kyle [85:00]: "Roadtex.com road r o a d text t-e c-h/s dot com."

3. Legal Assistance for a Family Incident:
   A listener shares a distressing incident where her father slapped a racist individual at a Cracker Barrel in Florida, leading to legal troubles. The hosts commit to finding pro bono legal support and encourage community donations.

   Deontay Kyle [91:30]: "I'm gonna look into. I'm gonna keep this on the board so I can see if you said something later."

Themes and Insights

Throughout the episode, Deontay and Big Ice Cup Cat explore deep systemic issues affecting the black community, emphasizing the need to:

• Understand Root Causes: Rather than blaming each other, recognize the broader societal and systemic factors contributing to internal conflicts and negative behaviors.

• Combat Media Stereotypes: Challenge and resist the perpetuation of harmful narratives in media that unfairly depict the black community.

• Promote Community Support: Encourage listeners to support each other through merchandise purchases, event participation, and offering assistance in times of need.

• Reject Materialism as Status: Question the validity of equating high-priced luxury items with status and success, advocating instead for meaningful community upliftment.

Conclusion

Deontay Kyle wraps up the episode by reiterating the importance of continuous effort and community support. He encourages listeners to stay engaged through purchasing merch, attending events, and participating in the conversation to collectively address and overcome systemic challenges.

Deontay Kyle [97:23]: "Everything you need is in the description... this is episode 61. I'm Deontay Kyle who's behind the camera. Big ice cupcat until episode 62. We will see you next time."

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Notable Quotes:

• Deontay Kyle [14:25]: "We're in proximity to the effects, so we don't see the causes nor think about the causes."

• Deontay Kyle [20:13]: "Cause it's still good. Genuine leather, right? But it ain't that."

• Big Ice Cup Cat [20:11]: "That's the cost of it."

• Deontay Kyle [85:00]: "Roadtex.com road r o a d text t-e c-h/s dot com."

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This episode of Grits and Eggs Podcast provides a raw and unfiltered exploration of the systemic issues within the black community, emphasizing the impact of proximity to negative influences and the importance of understanding and addressing root causes. Through community support, critical discussions, and listener engagement, Deontay Kyle and Big Ice Cup Cat encourage a collective effort towards meaningful change.

Transcript

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah woke up in the morning and to God be the glory Thankful for another day to tell my story Put my opinions in the universe and let them orbit I'm from the dirty south with a dirty mouth might need orbit miss things things on me like a Norbit had to refuse them cause my no rest fusion she gorgeous as I dab my sons up and kiss my daughter forehead tell them we gonna get this money to my like it's morbid remember living in apartments now we playing mortgage you ain't gotta like a regardless baby I'm blessed and I keep that blick with me we like grits and eggs as you sip your coffee flick your cigarette and let a van yeah, we back oh, we back Grits and eggs podcast episode 61. I'm your host, Deontay Kyle. But who's behind the camera?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Big ice cup cat yeah, we back, baby.

[Deontay Kyle]

Deontayantaykyle.com Email Music Submissions Voicemail 657234X we got three voicemails today. Good bit of emails, too. Some good emails. Subject line said my father slapped a racist. Ow. I said, yeah, yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

That's what we like.

[Deontay Kyle]

That's what we like.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Nigga slap him nickel.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Is he talking about.

[Deontay Kyle]

Is this talking about yeah, nickel.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Slapping there call him a nickel. Is you talking about son?

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, I spun the around.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh, put the in the four Nelsons.

[Deontay Kyle]

Crazy. Yo yo got you like this.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You helped yo you helpless you can't.

[Deontay Kyle]

Do control you like a marionette dog.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Will be a muppet yeah, he pulling the strings.

[Deontay Kyle]

Oh. Deontay.com on all socials when you cool. You all right?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I'm all right.

[Deontay Kyle]

All right. Deontay.com on all socials go to deontaycoll.com for merch. Big announcement for the company. All right, so look, we always want y'all to support the merch, right? This merch is reflective of things that are popular on the show. Slogans we got boredom is a blessing shirt you can't escape your skin, new embroideries for the spring collection and things like that. We got new things coming by the time this is. By the time this airs. Hold on. This is the person I was talking about. Oh, hey, Susie. We're recording the show. I just have a question real quick. Do you want the flyer to say both show both meet and greet times? Yes, that would be good. Okay. What is the meet and greet times then? Oh, I'll text it to you. Okay. Oh, speaking of meet and greet. Hold on. But look, we were just telling the People. We just telling the people. So we on the show and shit. And I was telling them. Basically, the reason why it's big to support deontaykyle.com and all the merch now is because you earn 100% of all the profits from the merch. Oh, yeah, yeah. Suki the truthy. So support.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Buy that now.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, right now.

[Deontay Kyle]

I got you. Yeah, we. Because Suki is. Suki is the mastermind behind all of this. So Suki runs the website. She comes up with all the designs. She turns out these designs, like, boom, boom, boom. She's in the comments. She's seeing what y'all are gravitating towards and she's making it happen. And so since we found a way to like create multiple streams of income with this thing that could get me out the truck so we could break Big Cat off of until he get on tarmac. Tristan taken care of. I felt like it was only right. That merchant. You get all that? You get all that. We went from 50, 50. I'm like, fuck that. You get all that.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Get the merch.

[Deontay Kyle]

You get the merch. So you get the merch. You support Suki. Suki is. Is on pins and needles. Ready. She's ready. She's ready to be done with it. Them people driving her crazy. But Suki do good work. Suki is an art teacher for like a kind of like a center for at risk youth and shit like that. Kids that have been dealing with sex trafficking, drugs, drug addiction, all type of shit. So she really is a part of her community up there in Minnesota. And so she need all the support she can get. And we agree. We gotta look out for our folks, bro.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Gotta look out.

[Deontay Kyle]

Gotta look out. So shout out to Suki, man. Thank you again. Extremely grateful for everything you do. I mean, to, To. To. To act like you ain't got $8.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

$8.

[Deontay Kyle]

$8.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You ain't got $8.

[Deontay Kyle]

Get on that patreon, man. I'm telling you, bro, we've been over there having a good time. Actually, Actually. Okay, a few announcements before we get to the rest of the announcements. Let's get through this. All right, so we are planning to put together a G and E day in July.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Okay?

[Deontay Kyle]

It's gonna be Grisneggs Day. It's gonna. We're gonna have bounce houses. I got the right people that I know to put the together now. Bounce houses. My man's that do the paint in the park. I'm gonna reach out to him so we could do like a little collaboration Type vibe.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Okay?

[Deontay Kyle]

And all the cousins gonna come out to Atlanta and we're gonna find us a park. Probably Piedmont park, probably somewhere. Maybe the little park over there in Union City type shit. Some might. Hunter Park. Might go. Hunter park on them.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Go Hunter park on them.

[Deontay Kyle]

Might go. Hunter park on them.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Bring them to Douglasville.

[Deontay Kyle]

Bring them to Douglasville. Yeah. Show them niggas how we get down out here. Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

In the ville.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Nigga number six in the state. Dangerous. It's dangerous in Douglasville. But that's gonna be available to the cousins. That's gonna be available to the people who are on the Patreon only because I feel like we've been in a real tight knit community over there. We have real conversations over there. We share a lot of information with each other.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Facts.

[Deontay Kyle]

And niggas had a full blown roast session in the chat the other day. Cause niggas, first of all, niggas start roasting me and I'm like, okay, that's fair. But I don't know what y'all niggas look like. So y'all get to look at me all day, every day and pick me apart. Nah, post them p. Start posting pics, Niggas would start going digital. Start posting. Cause I will say niggas wasn't pussy. I respect that. Niggas wasn't pussy. Like, fuck it. I'mma post my pics, bro. Niggas was in that bitch roasting for three hours straight. Damn it. Damn it. Shit was funny as fuck. Shout out. Nah, I ain't gonna do that. I ain't gonna do. I ain't gonna do you like that. I almost did, but yeah. So, like, it's been love, bro. So the. Okay, so real concrete announcements. Memorial Day. What day is that?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

May 31.

[Deontay Kyle]

May 31. Grit Snakes Breakfast Kitchen. Gritsnaks podcast. Meet and greet.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Meet and greet.

[Deontay Kyle]

We're gonna do that thing from 9 to 12 and then from 1 to 4. The capacity at both events will be 100 people. So more of the details coming together. I will be posting tickets later on this week probably. I probably posted the same day that this airs so I could put the link together and everything will be good. But we are having a meet and greet in Atlanta at the Grits and Eggs Breakfast Kitchen on Hank Aaron Boulevard.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Summer Hill.

[Deontay Kyle]

Summer Hill. Huh? Huh? Yeah. Yeah. Right across the street from the Publix, man.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, right across from the stadium. Yeah, Georgia State.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, Georgia State. Old school. Where Hank Aaron used to run shit.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, right there.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right there where Hank Aaron ran shit. Right there on Hank Aaron Boulev.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Right on this block.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right? His block. His nigga, he used to be knocking shit outta there.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

So come see us. May 31st. Grizzly Nay's breakfast Kitchen. Grizzlyn Eggs podcast meet and greet exclusive merch will be available. Ow. Some Icebreakers food is provided. Cause Grizzly Nicks, they got that good food over there. Great food, great food over there. Yeah. Gonna take a picnic. Come, come listen to some good music, some good tunes. Should we bring a comedian in there or something?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Like why not? Why not?

[Deontay Kyle]

Why not? Think that. Think life is a game, don't it?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Well, we're gonna get all the details ironed out, but the. But the date and the location is a lock. And we'll roll out more details week to week as we do it. Also, June, United We Heal Film Festival. I will be hosting Philadelphia Underground art Center.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

June 20th and the 21st. Or is it the 19th and 20th? June 19th and 20th. So Juneteenth and June 20th, right? It's a flyer here. It's like all the details is like right here. I know how Tristan get down, you know what I'm saying? But it's like it's somewhere. It's either right here or it's right there. All the details. But you can buy your tickets on Black Soul Summer. That link is in the description. So all from all my Philadelphia people, my D.C. people, my new Jersey, my New York people, all the people that live in that relative area. Baltimore, Baltimore, all that, all that good shit. All my folks, y'all can holler at me. Come check out the film festival. It does highlight black and brown independent filmmakers and just gives them platform to show their films the way that they see it. You know what I'm saying? And I will be hosting. You know, we're going to crack the funniest. You know, we're gonna have leave you with a good word, facts. It's gonna be very black. It's gonna be very communal. It's gonna be a lot of love. Norfolk, Virginia. August 23rd, 24th, Atlantic Comic Con, one of six black owned comic cons in the country. We will be there not only doing a meet and greet, but we'll be doing a live show too. Oh, yeah, yeah. So more details for that to come closer to August and we will be running ads just to garner more awareness. We'll be making the announcement public soon on social medias and like that. Bia.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Nominated.

[Deontay Kyle]

Nominated.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. AAMBC Podcast of the Year.

[Deontay Kyle]

Podcast of the Year nominated coming soon. August 2nd is the AAMBC Awards. October 5th, 15th is the BIA Awards. So links to that in the description where you can vote. Okay, A lot of announcements. Got it. Hey. Hey. This going crazier and crazier, huh?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

She just building.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's building.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Speaking of building, remember that you matter.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Thought you had something else.

[Deontay Kyle]

No, I was just like. That's how we going to like, segue into the commercial.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Just got quiet.

[Deontay Kyle]

So, Tristan, remember when I said, remember you matter. You just run the commercial and then we gonna chill for a second and then we back. All right? Five, four, three, two. We back. Man. My son is acting debut. Both my boys acting debuts. Yeah. Raising some act. Fuck high school. We gonna perform in art school. Put niggas in performing art school.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Man, What a. What a. What a time. How you feeling, big Cat?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I feel good, man. I feel great. We had a good time last night. We was out.

[Deontay Kyle]

We was outside.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Jamila Bell. Audie. Audie Audemars EP is coming.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah, that ep fire on that.

[Deontay Kyle]

I ain't gonna lie, man. Fire that rinse and repeat. And that loose leaf.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Loose leaf, loose leaf.

[Deontay Kyle]

First of all, in the rinse and repeat, she was sounding like Pusha T. Yeah, I was in that bitch making an ugly face. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One of them. But that loose leaf is Pops. Pops turned up there.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yo, her Pops, her biggest supporter.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He knows. Word for word.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

He know it like he's listening to it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Nah, that's his.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, he rides to work listening to his daughter.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, for sure, for sure.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Nah, she tough though, bro. Like, very tough. I know when she played clowns on here, people was liking it. But like, I'm telling you, clowns might be the tip of the iceberg. Like, bro, she really got a bag over there. Yeah, that shit is hard. Yeah. So shout out to Audi Audemars drop EP dropping soon. No announcement on that yet, but we will. Goddamn. You know what I'm saying? Announce it soon. Shit. She can come in here and do a freestyle on New Music Monday. Hey, y'all better tap in with that New Music Monday. We got a little surprise for you.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, surprise. We had a break.

[Deontay Kyle]

We had a break.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You know, we didn't drop last week, but this week to make up for that, we got a surprise for y'all.

[Deontay Kyle]

Got a surprise. All right, well, so some updates on the young man Carmelo Anthony's case. Attorneys Bill, Billy Clark and Kim T. Cole no longer represent 17 year old Carmelo Anthony in the murder case against him, they have raised over $300,000 for Carmelo's family and the gifts and go. The link to donate is in the description we've been donating, but people have came out and donated and looked out for this young man. And I was reached out to anonymously by somebody who's close to the family that can speak on that young man's character. This is an upstanding young man, bro. Yeah, like captain of the track team. Great student, great leader. He was a good kid, bro. He's just defending himself. And they're the. The talks have came out, the eyewitnesses have came out. They was trying to jump the boy.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

And then, I mean, so he defended himself. But also another thing that, you know, we're gonna need people to come look out for that family because they're getting death threats, you know, these races and done docs them basically. Docs them and they giving them the death threats and like that. But I mean, y'all done raised over150,000 for the father. So.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

So they, they. They've been sending death threats.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

All right, so Hebrew Israelites.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Line up in front of the house.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

FOI lined up in front of the house.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

We got people to protect the community.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And y'all want to be out there screaming in the streets, do something.

[Deontay Kyle]

Nah. Go out in the front yard. Pull the Bible out and do the knowledge. Yeah, right there, Right there. So just in case the races want to get wrong, you can get their ass right.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Attorney Anthony was previously represented by attorneys Bill Clark and Kim T. Cole. Last week, law firm released a statement on behalf of 17 year old seeking to reduce his 1 million dollar blonde bond. Frisco PD has warned. What the. Come on with the ads. Let me see where we was at. Frisco PD has warned community members about misinformation being spread online by accounts posing as a. As its police chief. At the same time, tensions have been heightened leading to Collin county leaders to address the case. And the shockwave is sent through the community. In a letter to the parents, the Frisco ISD superintendent Mike Waldrop said in part. Let me be clear. Frisco ISD will not tolerate misinformation, manipulation or any attempt to undermine our community. We are actively reporting suspicious activity and when appropriate, pursuing legal action against those responsible. An online fundraiser that raised 350,000 on Anthony's behalf was also put under scrutiny online. A message to the family. A message from the family reads the narrative Being spread as false, unjust, and harmful. As a family face faith, we are deeply grateful for all your support during this trying period. Your prayers and assistance mean more to us now than ever. So let's keep supporting this young man. Of course, this is taking on a life of his own, and it's become quite the circus online. Yeah, it started a lot of, like. Well, I think situations like this really just, like, racist. Be waiting on moments like this so they can expose their racism and shit like that. But, sure, this is no surprise to anybody black, really. We already know y'all is racist. But the way that they'll try to just the hypocrisy of the whole thing, you know what I mean? Because, you know, they. They will raise money for killers for real. That we've seen evidence. Right. And all this is hearsay. And from what. From what statements have came out, he was clearly defending himself, and that's a problem. But, you know, it's because he's a young black man. So let's keep supporting Carmelo Anthony. The link to support him is in the description. Let's talk about. Let's talk about global pettiness. Global.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Petty.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, let's talk about being petty globally.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

So Trump went low.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

The Chinese went to hell no.

[Deontay Kyle]

Okay, all right. You want to throw more terrorists?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

How about that? Her man's bag ain't shit.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Nah.

[Deontay Kyle]

How about it's made here?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

How about that really cost $1800 to make, and they charging you 30 racks? 300 racks exposed. Birkin exposed. Autumn, folks. Nike.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Only thing they're doing is putting their tags on it. That's it.

[Deontay Kyle]

So. So they go and they manufacture the bag, and except for the tagging and label apart, and then they ship it somewhere to Europe. So you put made in France. Oh, they really hitting y'all with the finesse.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Finessing.

[Deontay Kyle]

First of all, Italian leather is from Africa.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Really? Nigeria.

[Deontay Kyle]

Nigeria.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

And a crocodile skin. Anything ain't. Ain't from up that way. What, it's from Africa.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

It's from Africa.

[Deontay Kyle]

Italian crocodile.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Might be from Louisiana. Shit might be from the bayou.

[Deontay Kyle]

Nigga. Bayou bag shit say made in France.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

She was made in the knife award, Jay. Electronica shit. That all for himself.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah. It was in a currency.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Birdman rubbing his hands for a reason.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Come get you this Birkin bag. Playboy, straight crocodile. Ain't no Italian crocodiles.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

No, I don't think they got crocodiles in Italy.

[Deontay Kyle]

They don't. That's what I'm saying. Alligator, crocodile, none of that. None of that. Just. Just Tony Soprano and meatballs.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Mario, Luigi.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yay. See you later, alligator Mario.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

That's all they got.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. So Chinese manufacturers basically, like. And then also too, like, what it does is expose American luxury, but just the greed of American capitalism. Right? Like, you paying $30,000 for $1,800 bag. Well, it costs to make $1,800, right?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

That's the cost of it.

[Deontay Kyle]

That's the cost.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

$1,800.

[Deontay Kyle]

Cause it's still. It's still good. Genuine leather, right? But it ain't that. Nah, it ain't 300 racks. Nah, it ain't 30 racks.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

What purse is 300 racks? What purse is worth $300,000?

[Deontay Kyle]

And see, this is another thing too. All you motherfuckers that came out talking about, oh, the Birkin. It's an investment. No, guess what? That investment just went bellied the fuck up. Because when niggas find out that you trying to sell me a $70,000 bag that costs $1,800 to make or less. Or less. Cause we talking about the high end bags that cost 1800 to make. Yeah, Jordans cost $16 to make.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Niggas are standing in line.

[Deontay Kyle]

Fuck is up with you, Mike? Mike, you got going on, Mike?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You niggas are standing in line. You 16 shoes and paying 240.

[Deontay Kyle]

240. 250. Reselling is reselling 16 shoes for like 600. Yeah, man, what an insane markup.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Hey, listen, I just want to say this. Atlanta been on the discount mall.

[Deontay Kyle]

Nah, Atlanta, US and New York. Africans on canals canal. Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And the Korean lady in the alley. They take you upstairs. And the wall do a three.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, she been had the night.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

She been had it.

[Deontay Kyle]

She had a 95 since. 95.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, she been having been on it. We got that.

[Deontay Kyle]

The wall doing a 360.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

The wall does a 360. Nothing but Burkins behind it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Nothing but burkin back there, dog. It's. It's, you know, it's a good time. It's a good thing, though, because the thing is, is, like, what. What are we. So what are we paying for? Yeah, paying for the name.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

This is why I don't want to do anything. Like, this is why I don't. Somebody asked me like, oh, you should make another tier on Patreon. Like, no, bro, it's good.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Netflix started out at like six bucks. Yeah, eight bucks is cool, bro. Yeah, eight bucks. We. We trying to get as many people over here as possible. And like I said all the time like you trying to flip the pack once. You trying to knock niggas head off. No, $8 is affordable. And you come over, you get love, you get community, you get connections, you get information, you get extra episodes, live stream, exclusive merch. Goddamn. It's love though.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You're like the Frank Lucas of Patreon.

[Deontay Kyle]

I stand by my product, nigga.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Guarantee it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Blue Magic, motherfucker. Blue Magic.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I stand by it.

[Deontay Kyle]

I stand by it. I guarantee it. That shit is like Coca Cola, nigga. Patreon Gristin ass podcast on Patreon. That shit is my Blue Magic, nigga.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Now if you wanna recreate it, I don't care if you do, you can wrap it up and Ty Bodon put Blue Dog shit on. But don't let me catch you using the Gristen Eggs name again, nigga. Niggas used to. But see this the thing. We come from early 2000s discount model Air Force ones.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh, man.

[Deontay Kyle]

So here's what this is, what really happened, okay? Back in the when, when these things were being released, before they was retro, just when they was being released, they were using high quality materials on these shoes. So these shoes would. They would look better, they would feel better, they would fit better, all these different things. So back then, before they started making everything in the same factory, people could duplicate. They probably had the templates, but they didn't have the quality materials, right? So you was getting cheap material Jordans like you was getting cheap material Air Force ones. But now that they done lowered their standards for what the products they put out, and it's all being made in the same factories. It's the same shit. So is it a rep or is it just not, you know, licensed by Nike, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, that's all it is. It's the same exact shoe. You buying this, you wearing the same exact shoe. And you could probably get it from your boy over there, one of the manufacturers over there, for like a cool 60 to 80 bucks instead of paying 120. Because white bitches hiked up the price of Nikes. Cause they started wearing Air Force ones and duttying them up and now duttying them up. No, no. White bitches was always just cooking the forces. And then now it became like a popular shoe. Like that was some nigga shit my whole life. White air forces.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

What, it's gonna be Easter next week.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Have them on.

[Deontay Kyle]

I'm gonna have them bitches on with a polo. Yes, yes. A pastel colored polo. Absolutely. A light blue, a Yellow. A nice. A nice, like sage green.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Or a pink.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

And we outside and we in church and we ain't coming back for another year till next year.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

All I'm doing is popping out. Cause granny asked me to come. Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Hey, why not?

[Deontay Kyle]

And the whole neighborhood there, everybody's outside. Everybody outside. Everybody outside in the Easter feast. But the thing is, like, this is a good thing for the mind of the American consumer to know you've been getting played the whole time they've been fucking you over.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Not black America.

[Deontay Kyle]

Well, not yet. You know, we always.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Don't let them see the tag. Just don't let them see the tag.

[Deontay Kyle]

Just don't let them see the tag. Matter of fact, tuck the tag. I'm returning.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Black people always been boosting this shit like that. So, like, we ain't never, you know, we buying niggas had a whole low life movement in New York in like the late 80s, based off niggas just stealing polo, just stealing them. And they. They said the same thing. Like the Ralph Lauren made in China. All our shit. Nigga, I just watched a video where they putting out a hundred. They was putting out a thousand trump flags a day. So all them TRUMP 20. 20 times the flags that we seen. Made in China.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

China.

[Deontay Kyle]

What the.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

China.

[Deontay Kyle]

China. Ask China.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

What the. That flat made. Ask China.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

This is a game.

[Deontay Kyle]

This is a game. It's all a big game, bro. It's all a big game. Because the thing is, is like that know that. Yeah. The making America. Make America great again. Hats was made in China.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Or Taiwan.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

One somebody somewhere.

[Deontay Kyle]

Somewhere. One made in America. Nah, see, you make a Mitch America big, gonna be a hundred fucking dollars. But I think that's the thing too. And it's like we have to. I don't think. I don't think enough of us, like, really ever pay attention or care about like the import export business. Right? So when people were saying like, dhgate on dhgate, like, oh, these are the same bags. Like it's the same shit. It is.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

It's the same thing.

[Deontay Kyle]

It is. The thing is, is like you want the prestige and the status and also like e. G Whiz.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

G Wiz. Can you imagine spending $30,000 on a bag? Why $30,000? I don't. I wouldn't care if I had a million dollars. Not even a million, because that ain't enough to justify that purchase. Yeah, a billion. If I had a billion. I'm not giving you $30,000 for a bag? Are you out of your mind?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Nah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Have you lost your cotton picking mug?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I'd rather pay somebody rent for a year, bro.

[Deontay Kyle]

I'd rather, I'd rather, bro, we can go build up a starter house like T.S. madison just did. You know about that?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Like for, for trans women that's transitioning out of prison. She bought us, she got a starter house for them so they can get their transition and be in a comfortable safe space and it make it their own shit. They already just get out of prison. They got good routine and good maintenance. I'm just saying, son. I'm just saying, son, your uncle never came to the crib like fresh out up at 5am doing push ups and cleaning up. Nah, I ain't gonna lie. When your uncle come home from the pen, that low key be kind of fire because the clean everything up cleaning.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

As soon as you, you, here's some.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Eggs, some links and he walking to the bus stop.

[Deontay Kyle]

Walking to the bus stop.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Mom Dukes ain't gotta do nothing.

[Deontay Kyle]

He's just grateful to be there.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

He already on a routine. That's all I'm saying.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, he's up doing sit ups and push ups. Yeah, he's getting ready.

[Deontay Kyle]

Michael was in the living room, my grandma house doing the roller.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, great pecs on it, man.

[Deontay Kyle]

Buff. I said nah. I was looking at my granny like how long he gonna be making me nervous.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

They have a great routine when they get out of school.

[Deontay Kyle]

They do though. Just saying, bro, you gotta have a routine to make. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's all I was saying. I wasn't even trying to be funny. For real. Yeah, I'm just saying. With 30 racks, do you know what you could do? Yeah, you could do so much more to help people. I understand, I understand. Like I'm cool with some materialism, dog. I like clothes, I like nice clothes, I like Nikes. I like everything I like just like everybody else. But what are we talking about? $30,000 for a bat. Why? And then you get these dumbass rappers who probably get in the flex or spend their money just because. Just because the status like I can spend $30,000. Look at me now. Meanwhile, probably extremely wealthy people probably buying the cheap. Yeah, for sure. How you gonna know? And then who gonna question?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Who gonna question you? You're a billionaire.

[Deontay Kyle]

Who gonna question.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Who's questioning you?

[Deontay Kyle]

I don't know, man. Are cycle through too many identities for me. You remember was talking quiet luxury. Oh, this is quiet luxury. We don't wear the big. You're not gonna see the big Gucci print on my shirt. It's just gonna be very small. Very in the tag. Yeah, it's still Gucci. It's Gucci. You still an idiot. You still wasting money on a white T shirt? Yeah, it's a white tee, idiot. Go get you some pro club and call it a day.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Go to the gas station, get you five packs of Harlem.

[Deontay Kyle]

What a good caller.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Good caller. Get you five pack of them. Call it a day.

[Deontay Kyle]

Call it a day. One time. Where?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

What you doing? I'm not going no higher than the Polo Te. Right. I'm not going no higher than the Polo Te.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And polo's tea is ridiculous too.

[Deontay Kyle]

You were like five for 80 or something.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, like, it's crazy price.

[Deontay Kyle]

I don't know what that markup is. I need to go get online. How much does the polo cost? This probably cost $0.12 to make.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

They just stitch a horse on the bottom of it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Horse on the bottom of it. Nah. Good quality T shirt, though.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

No, it is great quality T shirt.

[Deontay Kyle]

Standard white tee for black men now.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

That's all my son wear. Yeah, pull tee.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, that's my son too, man. God damn, man.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

What?

[Deontay Kyle]

Me and Ralph Lauren gonna have to sit down, have a few words a ref.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, Lauren. What's up, nigga?

[Deontay Kyle]

Oh, yeah, Lauren, if that is your real name.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. That is who you are.

[Deontay Kyle]

What's your real name?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

What's your real name? What your mama call.

[Deontay Kyle]

I think, you know, I think this is a great day for American consumers because you can realize, bruh, we need to, like, you need to feel that shame of being played. Like, you need to feel that.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Cause Jess, hilarious was just talking about, oh, I got five Birkins. But they're investments.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

No, they're not. That stock has plummeted.

[Deontay Kyle]

God damn. Damn it.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Poke it into Dow Jones in 1920.

[Deontay Kyle]

Black Monday. Drake got a closet full of bullshit.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Throw that shit away, Drake.

[Deontay Kyle]

Throw all that shit away. We seen you. We seen you in the club with the homie looking like a Puerto Rican uncle. Nigga look bloated. Don't. Hey, look at it real quick and tell me you don't think that nigga in terror squad.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Puerto Rican uncle.

[Deontay Kyle]

And how he gets them braids back.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

He just had a low cut. The fuck going on?

[Deontay Kyle]

Nah, this is bugging. Yeah, the alcohol getting to the. Yeah, yeah, starting to get it. Get all up in there.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

He's. He's entering his 40s.

[Deontay Kyle]

Well, he probably doubted back on all the Plastic surgery because Kendra called him out, but yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

But now he's getting old. He's getting older. You're getting 40. That body don't recover alcohol retaining water. Yeah. Retaining sugar.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

You're getting bloated. Put that down. Get the gym. Yeah. Autumn duck lips that out the window. Get your ass in the gym. Do some sit ups.

[Deontay Kyle]

What this called?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, your glands.

[Deontay Kyle]

What? Them glands called the glands right here. Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. I don't know the medical term from, but yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

The mucus is building up now. You better get on the phone with Dr. Yankee Nigga. Give that mucus out. Your body was looking like a mucinex man bent over still trying to throw a gang signs that don't exist. Yeah, like my. Give it up. It's time. It's time for water and walks. Water. It's time for water walks. It's time for some reflections. Yeah. Go listen to 444 and reflect.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, we need.

[Deontay Kyle]

We need the grown up Drake album. Yeah, we need Drake album where he just. He just take accountability for the bullshit actions. Did you see the post he did with the Kate Cunningham shit?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

He's a fucking loser, bro. Yeah, this is the thing. We haven't spoke on Drake in however long.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Cause it's over. That nigga's a fucking loser, bro. Like there's no other way to say it.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Hey, he is what he is, man.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. You can't like bruh. And the thing. And this is why y'all spend all that goddamn money on this fake luxury. Because you're trying to unlame yourself.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Once the lame, always lame.

[Deontay Kyle]

Once the lame, all is. It's genetic, cuz.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

The cool in the discount mall.

[Deontay Kyle]

What?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I gotta get this right now.

[Deontay Kyle]

I need it right now.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Right now, son.

[Deontay Kyle]

I'mma wear it today.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

And that's it.

[Deontay Kyle]

And when the sun hit it.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

It changed the leather. The chemical reaction happened in the leather.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

The leather started to wrinkle. That's why things when they said at night to the club, no sun radiation hits. No UV radiation on the leather.

[Deontay Kyle]

Cause when the UV hit should crinkle up. Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

All the moisture is sucked out the motherfucker. And we in the south and it's humid.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, it's humid. You let us start peeling off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't want that. Your shit turn yellow.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh.

[Deontay Kyle]

First of all. And then two, the discount shoes, like the shoelaces never really line up.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

I mean, shoelaces never really line up. It's not really. You gotta wear it at nighttime, it's like. It's like you in a size 10 with size 16 laces on. Too much lace.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Too much laces.

[Deontay Kyle]

Too much lace on your shit. It's a lot of lace on you.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

A lot of lace.

[Deontay Kyle]

To double knot an Air Force one is crazy. Wicked words.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Nasty double knot.

[Deontay Kyle]

You got the wrong ones, bro. You got the wrong ones. Yeah, these ain't the lesbian. You got them shits from zone four. Oh, well, hey, Americans. Another day. Another day. Another. Another L. Yeah, another day you wake up and getting played. Getting played by capitalism and the greed thereof is greedy, bro. On the floor. Emy, there was literally no need for you to tell me that. Just put it back where you got it from, baby. Did you just want to come say hello? You want to come on camera and say hello? Yeah, Come on. Okay, now be. Be gone. Thank you.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Then she put it back on the floor.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, like, could have put it on door. I couldn't did anything with it. Let's take a quick break.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

All right.

[Deontay Kyle]

We back. We back, guys. So I wanted to talk about some things because I've seen some comments regarding some of the posts that we've made, and I think that, you know, there'll be things of like, oh, deontay speaks the truth. And then you get niggas saying, oh, he only. Y'all only like him because he pandered the women. And then women will say, shit, he actually be giving it straight up to the men a lot. Like, you know what I'm saying? He show women love. But whatever. But I think that this I've been trying to figure out, like, what is it? What's the issue, like, that we have with one another between, like, gender and it's just proximity. We are in a war of proximity. And when you are in too close proximity to the effects, then it blinds you from the causes. So we blame each other and not the system. So you got to understand that things are greater than your circumstances or the bubble that you live in, right? So you may have been hurt or harmed by another black person, but that's all due to proximity. The root causes of these things are a lot bigger than just your neighborhood, right? But the effects are active in your neighborhood. The effects on the mind, the effects on your behavior, the effects on your attitude towards one another are all proximity based, Just like crime is proximity based, but poverty is a precursor to crime. A lot of y'all wouldn't be criminals or have engaged in criminal activity if you grew up with a more. In a more financially stable environment. So then that brings me to this idea of, like, well, why do we get suburban kids that grow up in, like, cul de sacs and nice homes, and they want to engage in criminal activity? Again, it's proximity. You in proximity to the culture, and the culture is an effect of big corporation. Like, the reason why rappers would rap about a Birkin bag is because they didn't know nothing about no fucking Birkin bag when they lived in the hood, right? But they get around. And like Damon Wayne saying on this Club Shakespeare interview, the higher you go up, the less black people you see. And so you in these spaces, and honestly, you stick out like a sore thumb because you know, this isn't the proximity you used to be in. You're not used to being in proximity with money. You're not used to being in proximity with white people or just wealthy people in general. And it doesn't really change your taste. It changes the way that you approach people that still are where you're from. And we have this. This peacock and shit where we want to flex on each other and go big. So it's like, oh, I'm gonna show them. I'm take this to the hood. They ain't never seen this. This is the idea where say, oh, I'm. I'm pulling up in the hood in a Lambo to motivate them. No, you pulling up in the hood in the Lambo to on niggas. Because what kind of motivation is that when you. You got a $250,000 car and a can't even fathom having that much money, let alone something that costs that materially. You buying bitches $30,000 birkin bags and can't fathom having $30,000 to just throw away like that. You understand what I'm saying? So that's not the. That's not motivation. And you shouldn't do motivation through humiliation. You shouldn't want to humiliate or embarrass or have in a space where they're questioning their financial security or their makeup as a man based on what you're flexing materially. So it's a proximity thing. Like, all the men that you've ever dated have been black men because you only have lived around black men. So now black men are the problem because that's all you know, is other black men. And if we don't dig into the reasons why these black men may be showing up this way or these black women may be showing up this way, then we're going to continue in a cycle of Blaming each other, right? And we get. This is why I'm going to continue to reiterate this, this last 40 year talk. And I'm going to reiterate something else that I brought up. The way that these three letter organizations work, what their recruitment process is. These three letter organizations, FBI, CIA, all these branches of government that put together plans and ways to constantly disenfranchised black community recruit the same way other three letter organizations recruit. NBA, mlb, NFL. They're going, they're spending their money to get the best people. Now they're not getting athletes. If the, if the, if the plan is to affect the minds, the bodies and the behaviors of black people to be more favorable, to make them, to make us subservient to their society, they're going to get psychologists, anthropologists, sociologists, people that understand the brain, people that understand human behavior and how, and how humans interact in large groups. So their recruitment process is based on what's going to affect your mind, what's going to affect your body and what's going to affect your behavior. And how does this behavior in turn affect you in large groups. And we're in proximity to the effects, so we don't see the causes nor think about the causes. And it's hard to think about the causes, right? If you grow up in a household with an abusive dad and shit like that, and he's a drunk, you don't ever get to the point where you saying, well why is he a drunk? Not why you too close, so close to the abuse. And if you, and if you have other people who are going through these similar situations, well, that has to be a symptom of something. Everybody, black ass daddy can't just be a drunk, irate nigga. There has to be a bigger cause than that. And nine times out of ten is the pressures of society the way that he's undermining employment. Sometimes niggas come back from the war and they revoke their GI Bill or they don't get the benefits that they were promised that they would get. And black men have went to war and come back and been extremely undermining and still subject to racism when they go out and serve the country. But then they have mental health issues and not access to health care. There's a lot of things that go into this thing, right? There's a lot of things that go into the effects. And if we can get, if we can start researching the causes, right? You have to understand like equal and opposite reaction. This is a, this is a law of nature. We're existing in the effects of something, right? And this is why the last 40 years is so important to me and the war on drugs is so important to me. Because we need to be researching what the causes were. If we can all sit here and say, yeah, my uncle was a certified electrician, like he was getting money until he got on that dope. My dad was a carpenter, my dad was a welder. My dad did all these great things. He was a genius really, until he got on that dope. Then why, why are we not like looking at where the dope came from and why again these people are running experiments on these things. That's the whole idea of they clown. Tyrone. I think we should pay way more attention to that movie. Because what they talking about is the hypnosis through food and music. It informs the behaviors, the behavior stay the same. So if they're running these tests, they understand, okay, if I give them this, this is how they react. If I give them that, that's how they react. If you hear this, this is how your mind reacts to it on this frequency. They're running test. This is an experiment. It's called a project for a reason. It's all experimentation. And they've been constantly subjecting us to their experiments. And it's, it's work is, it's, it's a crime against humanity, to be quite honest. But we don't want to look at like that because there's another thing about the proximity. When you, when you in the, when you're in a community like that and it's some dog eat dog that you got villains and you got victors, I mean, you got villains and you got victims and nobody want to be a victim. So we stigmatize what it means to actually be a victim. Whether you like it or not, black people were victims of chattel slavery, right? We're victims of that abuse. We're victims of that 100% capitalist profit system, that sadistic ass system. We were victims of that were victims of the war on drug. That was chemical warfare and we were the victims of that. And you don't like the way that that makes you feel because it makes you feel weak even to say the word victim. But you won't release yourself. You're not going to release yourself from that bind that you have on trying to undo things yourself that you didn't do in the first place. That's a bind. And they love nothing more than for you to point the finger at each other. We're pointing the finger at each other for Situations that we didn't create or cause. Situations we wouldn't have thought up of in the first place. But no nigga sitting around. How can I get the whole neighborhood hooked so I can get rich? Nobody was thinking that drugs was drugs. People had reactions to drugs. People got addicted to drugs. But I mean, let's talk about even the unfair sentencing practices of cocaine versus crack. It's all. It was all intentional. This is why. This is why I say what I say. Like you could say, nigga, stop saying Y N. Cause we've been saying young nigga for the longest. Young just always been a thing. Hang on, young man. What's up? Them young, bro, let's go show some love. Them young. We ain't saying Y N. That's a way for you to abbreviate the word so you can say without saying it. But what was the first? What was the original Y N? Super predator. This is the thing. Like, you have to be mindful of these things. This is why history is important. This is why the history of media is important. Because you have to understand how the media has always propagated false and harmful narratives about black people. I'm pretty sure. I mean, there. We don't know the stats on how many people die a day, but niggas ain't just dying in Atlanta. But if you live, you live in Macon. You live. You could live anywhere. What they gonna show you? Hey, these. These is. This is the Black on Black crime hour. It's 7pm this is all the black on black crime that's happened in Georgia today. And it propagates a narrative about us being villainous, about us being murderous. And then you look at. Go look at the real numbers. We're looking at probably less than 5% of people that behave this way. This is very isolated situation. And the reason why it happens so much and so often in these areas is due to poverty. When you subjected to poverty, you got to find a way out. Go look up what the string theory is. That's our homework for this week. Last week. Well, okay, so I said banal platitudes. They said it was banal platitudes. Banal platitudes. That was the homework last week. Okay, this week. Go look up the string theory. I think we should keep doing. We should get niggas homework. Nah, you're gonna do the knowledge. Do it for real. Yeah, Go look up the string theory and how your circumstances affect your mind. Like a man that would never take anything from anybody but wants to provide for his family. Is in a desperate. You in a desperate state. Desperate times call for desperate measures. That's another banal platitude. But it holds true because niggas get desperate. I'm gonna go snatch that lady purse. I'm gonna go in the liquor store and rob the liquor store. Woo do woo woo. Because my baby ain't eating and I can't get a call back to save my life. And nine out of 10, he's not getting a call back. Cause they see his name. You know, all of these things are effects. Like we don't go into, we don't talk enough about the nuanced things that happen to us. Our hair, our names. These things that are true identifiers of who, who we are keep us out of rooms due to racism. And we're so close to the. We're so close to the effects. Of course you don't think black man. When your daddy was an abuser or a drug dealer went to prison, your uncle hood on drugs or a drunk abuser or, or just can't, can't seem to hold down a job. You only know one good black man and he don't live nowhere real around here. He done, he didn't got up, he done got him some money and got the on. Like these women get to the point where they, they selling to feed they habit or they hooking on, hooting on drugs. And ain't nothing worse than a deadbeat mom. Or she left out here to do everything on her own. And she really a good woman, but she is extremely stressed out and taking out all her stresses on the kids. Because the thing is, is like the people you love get the least. We go out in the world and put on a show all day. I can't, I can't put. I gotta turn the show off when I get home. And the reality is I'm stressed the out. I don't know what I'm gonna do. I don't never have enough money and the bills don't fucking stop. And if you grew up with your mama bitching at you like that all the time, you gonna think black women are bitches. You go and you go turn on the TV and all you see is black women with a fucking ass turned to the camera. Every chance they can get, they somewhere bent the fuck over. You gonna think all black women hoes. But whose idea was it to put black women in that position on camera? Whose idea was it for the video vixen? Yes, sex sells, but why is it that our women are always selling sex this is, this is, this is an experiment. This is propaganda. Like so when you see little girls doing things like that that you would make, make, that would make you call them fast. But they're repeating behaviors that they're seeing in media over and over and over again. And our access to controls over media is getting less and less by the day because it's ways around all type of whatever parental controls you got, it's ways around all that shit. And the kids get old enough they find their ways around. Just like we found our ways around the parental controls when we was in school on the computers, we found ways around that shit. So the thing is, this is a proximity war for us. It's not a gender war, it's a proximity war. We are so close to the effects, we don't have time, make time or think about the causes. We don't think about why people act the way they do. We don't think about why people think the way they do. We don't think about why we behave the way we behave in large groups. And we only think about those things when it's negative. Because when we together at trail rides and shit like that, having fun, we don't question that behavior because that seems extremely natural. When, when we see each other on the street and it's love and we compliment each other when we do that. I'm, I'm trying to get like you shit. We don't question that behavior. The only behavior that we have that always gets called into question is our negative behavior and the behavior that reinforces harmful stereotypes about us because it doesn't feel natural. And we have to remember that we are being represented in our community by a small percentage of people. Most black people, you know, aren't fucking criminals. Most black people, you know, are working class people. And the black people that you know that are criminals are what? Also poor and extremely poor and come from extremely impoverished circumstances. If you grow up in a two bedroom house with, with, with six siblings, I think that you're gonna want to try to find a fucking way out of there. And if you go outside and the people who seem to got it figured out engaged in criminal activity, well, what does that lead you to believe? Maybe I need to engage in some of this criminal activity or dedicate my life to athletics. So it's a proximity, but also that desperation shrinks your worldview. You can only think about, I mean you, are you in survival mode all the time. Your nervous system ain't the same. Like your shit ain't the same as everybody Else's, you're not operating in the same frequency as everybody else. You in survival mode. You, you a prey. You, you, you, you, you always on the lookout for a fucking predator. Keep your, keep your cortisol levels high. You're not experiencing a whole bunch of endorphins. You always on edge. That's why you snapping all the fucking time. The food ain't helping. The food ain't no better. We are eating food that's gonna funnel us right into the, the healthcare system, right into big pharma, keep us on drugs. This thing is deep, y'all, I swear. When say it ain't deep, that's cause they ain't digging. If a tell you it ain't that deep, that's cause he ain't digging. This is deep, man, because all roads lead back to their systems. All roads lead back to where it's one of two places. Big pharma or the big prison industry. Prison industrial complex. All roads lead back to the prison industrial complex or big pharma, all of them. And the way that they recruit, they know if I got the best. You, you, you. You a doctor of psychology, right? And you wrote books and all this hey, man, shit, bro, come over here. You ain't know you. You may be touching 150, $200,000 a year. How does 2.5 million sound? And, and you want a hush hush deal too. You want that money that changed the trajectory of your life. Money talk like a motherfucker. True niggas got to stop taking acting like money don't talk. And the thing is, this is a nice button up guy that you would never. This is a very unassuming man running these experience experiments. Very unassuming woman running these experiments. You walk by him in public, he, he nice slacks, collared shirt, glasses, produce section, checking out produce. You don't know from nine to five, this nigga is running experience on how to get you fucked up, how to fuck your mind up. This is war tactics. Oftentimes the people we don't consider as a part of war are the sociologists. The people we don't consider as a part of war are the anthropologists, the psychologists, the psychiatrist. But this is, this has everything to do with your mind and your behavior. Of course. That's a big part of world. How is this gonna affect the mind? How is this gonna affect the bodies? How is this gonna affect their relationships with each other? Because at the end of the day, it's divide and rule. If I can keep you divided. If I can keep you and women blaming each other, instead of blaming the reason why y'all hate each other in the first place. Instead of getting back to the root causes of things, y'all arguing over the effects. Hey, I'm winning because I'm in the back, in the shadows. Ain't nobody even looking at me. Nigga ain't even thought about me. And we gotta get to a place where we was like, okay, collectively, this is unproductive, right? Collectively, it's just unproductive. What have we gained from these things? Yeah, we've gotten a lot of frustration off, but what have we gained besides more division? Do you know how divided we are? That if I say I love black women, I'm pandering? But if I got up here and spoke highly of white women, y'all wouldn't even that word, wouldn't even leave your fucking mouth. It's never pandering when it comes to white women. But what's more pandering, what's more pandering than that? Trying to get the approval of bitches that don't want you. They see you as less than them unless you luck the fuck up and get some money and they can benefit from you. And you gonna have a whole bunch of little Pat Mahomes running around. And, and, and by the time he have kids, them goddamn kids ain't gonna look like you. You ain't even gonna be able to identify them children. Arguing about the effects, it's not been productive at all. And we gotta get on our black American team. Like I love all my cousins throughout the diaspora, but I ain't gonna lie, man, on Twitter, y'all be on some bullshit, bro. Why y'all are. Niggas is calling us cotton pickers and all type of shit over a goddamn Zulu parade that they had in New Orleans that they have every year. But just now y'all found out about it. Now y'all coming out saying the worst shit in the world. Niggas is out here talking about, yeah, we glad that y'all good on the West Africans for selling y'all into slavery. It was probably bad ones. Probably needed to get rid of them all this type of sucker ass, white supremacists, klansman ass talk. Now a part of me think that's one of them three letter organizations, because why do niggas get to talking like that? And why do it only come, come, come directed at us? But I'm not, I'm not gonna get into dire rewards. Because the thing is, which I don't realize, you, you can come look at us and how we behave. Go look and dig into your history. Same play was put down on you. Same play put down in South Africa. Not all across the fucking board. All across the goddamn board. And it's because we black Americans have much more of a global presence than I would say, other black nations. Right? You know what I'm saying? The black American has an extreme, extremely global presence through our export of entertainment and athletics. Right? So it's a lot of. It's a lot of hate that get directed at us. And I don't think that that shit kind of serves as a distraction too, because it's not. We can get in a name calling contest with niggas. We can roast all day. It's not beneficial, it's not progressive. Only thing it does is divide further. We ain't brought up colonizers once. We talking about the effects again. Proximity war. You comfortable dishing out that type of hate to somebody that looked like you. Whether you want to admit they look like you or not, whether we got totems or whatever customs or cultural traditions that y'all try to put up to say we don't have a culture. But yet niggas is everywhere in the world, dressing like us, talking like us, mimicking our music. Why is niggas in Japan making drill music? You understand what I'm saying? We had Italian drill. We had every goddamn drill. Drill went global. So I think that this is all a proximity war, bro. It's a proximity war. And you too close to it to ever like you. You. You gotta. Sometimes you gotta put down a micro. Put down a microscope and pick up the telescope because we. We too close to it. You on a microscope. You had a microscopic level with other black people where only thing you see is the bad behaviors. And then when niggas do good and niggas speak progress, you extremely pessimistic about it. Because you've been so locked in on the negative behaviors because of how they affect you. The negative behaviors have affected you in a way. Your parents had an extreme impact on you. Your uncles, your cousins, the people you grew up with and went to school with. All of your negativity has derived from these circumstances and these people that you have been in close proximity to. But there's a reason why they act like that. There's a reason why she treated you like that. There's a reason why he treated you like that. There's a reason why you treated them like that. Because I'm tired of the stories about, like. I understand bullying is a Real thing. Stop acting like you ain't never did shit to nobody, bro. It's the reason why you act like that. So if you in close proximity and that bullying had an effect on your mind and on your outlook on black people, then zoom the fuck out. If, yo, if your biggest issue and beef with black people as a black person is the bullying that you endured from black people, zoom the fuck out and look at the bullying that black people have endured by the hands of colonizers for the last 400 years. And you don't think that's going to have an effect. It's about changing your perspective on things. This is not just not to undermine you and undermine your feelings. Your feelings are valid. The things you went through are very real. But the only way for you to get over those feelings and to implore empathy. And the empathy has to come from understanding that these people are living in effects. And the things that affected you are cause of another effect that affected them. And you got to zoom the fuck out. You got to zoom out. Look at the history. Why would you ever give my fucking grace for what they've done to you? You won't give a nigga grace for what? For what they've done to you in the. In the 25 years that you've been alive is unforgivable. But treat your whole community like that. And much worse. And much worse for 400 years. Hey, they not bad. They not all bad, huh? White girls, they just look better be for real, dog. Proximity, proximity. Proximity. Proximity. Proximity to business practices, right? What are the successful business practices that we've seen in the last 40 years? Drug dealing. So when we open up our businesses, we operate them shits like drug dealers. And, and, and, and, and oftentimes we operate in business out of like a dream. What is this dream that niggas have? I understand niggas want to rest, but what is the dream? The dream can't be to do nothing. You're never going to work your way up into a position to do nothing. The work never stops when you arrive, there's more work to be done. Nature doesn't rest. It resets. So reflect on nature and not society. It goes through a reset. We know that the bloom is coming back. We know it's coming back, but we know it got to go through a shedding process. Them trees gonna go through a shedding process. But first of all, they had to grow to be a tree anyway. You got to understand that. You want to you. If you operating as a business, right, let's Just say you went to school. You went to law school. You wanted to become a lawyer, right? Boom, you became a lawyer. You passed the bar. Exciting. But now the work began. Now you have to be a lawyer and you get put onto a great firm. And you killing it, like this is your life dream. You became partner. Oh, shit. You think when you become partner, you're gonna get to stop? No, there's more responsibility. You've arrived now. You arrived. You tell everybody, like, fuck, not only am I a lawyer, I'm partner. My name on the building. Oh, you can't stop now. Now it's more work to be done now. Your responsibilities are larger, but you're capable. You partner for 10, 15 years, you decide, hey, I want to start my own firm. I think I got the hang of this. You think you're going to open up that law firm and it's going to be time to rest. This is where the real work begins. Every time you arrive, the real work starts. It gotta become automated, right? I know for a fact that when I leave the crib, Kyron is gonna follow the rules whether I'm around or not. When we talking about Cohen, she can get a little shaky. So if you. If you walk away from a situation, if you walk away from your work and things go to shit, you got more work to do. Train up that subordinate. You don't want to train them up because you don't want them to take their position. It's your name on the building. How they gonna take. They can't. They. It's not a hostile takeover. They're not gonna take your business. But don't you want it to be able to be well run when you're not around? You gotta train somebody up to know how to do the things you do. So that those times when you do wanna take a rest, you can actually rest. And you can be rest assured that your shit is in good hands. And yeah, you got to pay them a little more. But is it worth your rest? Don't you want to rest? Because the work ain't done? If you ask yourself, if you're sitting there, anywhere you are in America right now, even if you ain't in America, we know we got folks in London, we know we got folks in West Africa, we know we got Australian fans, all that, wherever you at. Understand? The work never stops. It never stops. Labor is love like the body loves labor. The body like the push and the pull. Nine times out of 10, when you overwhelmed with all of these negative thoughts, you ain't pushed or pulled Nothing in a while you ain't got active. That body need to move. The brain needs problems to solve. The brain loves labor. It wants to break things down and pick them apart and analyze it and find a solution to whatever problem it may be faced with. The heart, it loves labor. It loves the love. It loves to feel actively. You always feeling stuff. You always going through a spectrum of emotions. If you got it in your mind that you're going to work your way to a position where you don't have to work, well, what you're talking about is retirement. And what happens to the old folks when they retire?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

They die.

[Deontay Kyle]

They die because they stop moving. If you ever met an old person that is in good health and great health and with a good mind on their shoulder, they tell you, I gotta stay moving, I gotta keep moving. If I stop moving, I might die. And they know it to be a fact because they don't watch their friends stop moving and die. You just gotta change your perspective on what you think work is and understand that like, like I said, every time you arrive more I can jump. I jumped out the window, right? I quit. I quit my job, but my work didn't stop. Now we gotta work more. We gotta pay these bills, huh? It ain't just easy mode. No, you. You don't go easy mode now. Now you're responsible for everything. I don't got no. I can't just go clock in and I got two week check guarantee, nigga basically living off a net 30 now get paid once a month. We gonna try to find a way to make that two, three, four, five times a month. But the thing is, this is where the work starts. I gotta get up every day, shoot out some emails, respond to some emails, try to put some plays together. We still got. We still gotta. We still gotta make some money. Tristan still gotta get paid, huh? Okay, well, just text, Text, babe. Tristan still gotta get paid. Suki gotta get some money too. Big head got baby, guess what? What.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

She say right here?

[Deontay Kyle]

Okay, that's your chore. Yeah, do that chore. Close that curtain. It's all good, baby. Don't worry about it, okay? I'm gonna be on the show.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, I'm on the show.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, man. It's. The thing is, is these things are. These things are processes, man. And the further you get in your process, the more progress you make, the more that's going to be required. And the thing is, is the type of work make it easier, right? You enjoyed. I enjoyed doing this. So it ain't. I ain't tripping on getting up at six in the morning and getting going. You know what I'm saying? But it be the things that we're forced to do for survival that put us in a position where we feel like we want it to be over. But niggas acting like I wasn't in a truck grinding it out for five years. The last five years, over the road, away from my kids, three, four weeks at a time, trying to get some money. That's why I advocate for the trades, because I'm a tradesman. I still got the license. It ain't even been a month, I still got that license. Now we can still put that bitch back on the road. But I'm saying the more you put into this thing and the more progress you see, the more that's going to be required. But the thing is that you're going on this journey and you're equipping tools as you go. So you have the tools when you arrive, you got all the tools you need necessary to make the job as easy as possible and whatever that means for you. The stresses of going to school and having to take midterms and you trying to figure out your place in your social life. And you're going through so many things from 18 to 22, while also still trying to accomplish this goal. And you accomplish it just to realize, hey, shit, oh, these are just levels that I'm accomplishing. This ain't the end. All be all. And you should want to continue to grow and to continue to progress. And we gonna have to get back on the books. Like, we gotta get back on the books. The books will expand your mind. I think we're gonna start. We gotta start some type of book club or something, you know, we'll launch it sometime. Right now I'm in no Name Reads book club. Cause she put a lot of really good books out there. And you know, they support the prisoners. A dollar donation will help a prisoner get a book. And you know, I'm a big advocate for the no Name Book Club because it's just a lot of great literature. And not only is it transforming the minds of young men that are locked up in prison and young women in prison, but you on the street, you need the information too. So the work never stops. You never know enough. The more you know, the more you realize you don't know. That's just a fact of life. The tree's job's not done until it falls and then it's still working. Because what would happen when it hit the ground now it's providing for everything in the soil. The work never stops. So it's about reshaping your mind. Once you submit, you gotta submit. I'm telling you. That's the thing that changed everything for me. I submitted to it. I was like, this might be it. I might just be a truck driver. I submitted to it. I said, the bigger responsibility is for me to provide and take care of my kids. I done had all my fun. I done had my fun. I had a lot of fucking close calls. Things that should have took me out of there. And I'm blessed enough to still be here. I need to submit. If you don't submit and you're not okay with where you at, you always going to be in a cyclical. You always going to be in a cycle of fighting where you are, because you won't be present. You got to be present. You got to submit to it. Once you accept your circumstances, it provides the opportunity for more circumstances, for your circumstances to change, for more opportunities to flow your way. But if you in a constant state of resistance, well, you don't know what's behind that door. You trying to keep the door shut because you don't even want to accept that this the room you in. But no matter what it is and how you. How you know how to. No matter how you slice it, no matter how you dice it, the room you in is the room you in. And the faster you accept that, the easier it'll be for you to get out of it. Let's get some of these emails, man, some of these voicemails, man. How you feeling, big cat?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Feel good, son. I just want to say, you know, you're doing the knowledge, son. You look like busted rhymes. And how you learning right now, son? Oh, oh, yeah, son.

[Deontay Kyle]

With the disrespect. Got you all in check even with this shit, right? Yeah, yeah. Y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Very 90s headwear that you have.

[Deontay Kyle]

All that come here and do the knowledge on these look like the. That used to do the knowledge.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Exactly. Look like a nigga on a different world. For sure, for sure.

[Deontay Kyle]

Look like Tupac on Fresh Prince.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, let's get to the emails.

[Deontay Kyle]

Hit you with the direct flow. All right, Voicemail number one.

[C]

Greetings. This is Michelle. I'm from Cali. Grits and eggs, y'all. Doing your thing. I appreciate the realness. I appreciate everything. Shout out to you, Deontay. Shout out to you, Big Ice.

[Deontay Kyle]

Good.

[C]

So all I'm doing is giving something to think about just a little bit. Y'all doing your thing, telling. So I just want you to keep in mind two people I want you to look up. Legendary top cats. He's out of Texas. The second brother is brother Rod Hayes. He's out of Michigan. They have been researching and done extensive work on how we got here in our current position. Right. And it has to do with our lineage here in the United States. Just a concept. I feel like we're giving white folks a little bit too much credit on what they control and what they don't and who's really doing what. So I'm just posing a question, brothers. You ain't taking the white folks off the hook, right? Because they could get it, trust me. But I just wanted to leave that concept, just a little bit of investigation on the soil here in the United States, because my people is from the South. My mom was from Louisiana. Shreveport. My daddy's from Texas. I was born and raised in South Central Los Angeles. But in the house, it was straight up South. Trust and believe. Just laying it out, giving you y'all flowers. I love the podcast, y'all. The realest ones on the scene right now. I am very excited about what's to come for your future and what you guys intend to do. And I'm watching. I'm here for it, and I'm with the shit. If I get to come to the south and holla at y'all, I really want to do it. Mama gonna do it.

[Deontay Kyle]

All right. All right.

[C]

Peace of love to y'all.

[Deontay Kyle]

Thank you. Peace and love.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Thank you.

[Deontay Kyle]

We love you, too. We love you, too. That's just love.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Look up. I'm gonna look them folks up.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Shout out to Cali, man.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Cali be showing love.

[Deontay Kyle]

Cali be showing love because they from the South.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

They are from the South. Yeah, they all from the South. I said that when I went to the Bay. I said the band number country up here. That's all they are. They just country in Northern California.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, that's it. That's all it is. For real. All that gotta come back to the root, man. This is where the roots are.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Voicemail. Number two. Shout out to you. Thank you again.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, thank you.

[Deontay Kyle]

Love you.

[C]

What is up, Deontay?

[Deontay Kyle]

Did the beat go up? Okay, hold on. Let's. All right, we just do the other one then. I thought we had three. I don't be listening to them. Yeah, I've been wanting to.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Her phone probably died.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, damn. I charge died.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Died.

[Deontay Kyle]

She went out of. She went out of coverage. She got. Hold that like this.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Damn.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I ain't got no balls working the bathroom.

[Deontay Kyle]

I'm gonna look into. I'm gonna keep this on the board so I can see if you said something later. Maybe I could chop it up or something like that. Voicemail number. Well, the official number, too.

[D]

Hey, Deontay and Big Cat, first off, like everyone else, want to start off by giving you all your flowers and saying that I appreciate that these conversations hold so much substance. But at the same time, you know, it's like you're. It very much feels like y'all are talking with us and not at us or down to us. And so, you know, just honored to be a part of your little Internet family that you got going here now for the advice. I'm 26, I'm a black woman. Grew up all over the place due to a parent in the military, but have spent all of high school and college and now post college in the Midwest, in Minneapolis, to be exact. And I'm just feeling kind of lost, a little directionless. I did the thing. I was a great student in high school, went off to college, got the degree. It's not seeming like the degree means much. I have a science degree. Haven't been hired in my field since I graduated. Just been kind of doing whatever I got here to pay. Bills, restaurants, childcare, working in a school right now. But it's not fulfilling work. It's not difficult, it's not scratching my brain. It's not challenging. And I'm just. I guess I'm kind of wondering, like, where you all would suggest kind of starting. I know that's like a big question or it's really open ended. But, like, when I talk to my friends about this, what I tell them is I know three things about myself, and it's that I'm good with people. I'm smart because I work hard at it, and I like to learn. But most importantly, the third thing is what I care about most is black folks and giving black folks the chance and the space to really succeed and to really thrive. And I guess I just haven't figured out how to turn that into. Into tangible work. I don't know if I should go back and get a master's and join, you know, the elite ranking of black women with their master's degrees or kind of like where I could take this or what I should do. But any advice is greatly appreciated. Sorry if this is really long, but thank y'all and praying that you Continue to thrive, onward and upward.

[Deontay Kyle]

Thank you. Well, I mean, that's a predicament, right? Because yeah, it would suck. It sucks that people go for higher learning and then they aren't able to find jobs in their field. So now they like, like she said, subjects like unfulfilling work, just take care of herself, create some sort of financial stability for herself. So I could say this. I don't know if we have people in stem. I'm pretty sure we do have people that work in STEM that can do the hiring and the firing in STEM or just present opportunities. So I would say to you, to do like we did with a kill, you can send me your resume. Other people have sent me their resumes as well. I need to get to. Hold on, let me see. But I would say that for the people that have reached out, the places where I can make those connections, I have and it's been fruitful for them. You know what I'm saying? And if it hasn't landed them a job, it landed them at least a roadmap on how to get a job. Like in a kill situation, it was still some things that were required before he could actually get in the field that he didn't know about. But through talking to people that were in the field, they was like, oh no, no, you also need X, Y and Z and boom. And he on, he got a road map, he on his way. So I would say that unfortunately, you know what I'm saying, that is a circumstance like I don't know whether to tell you to go to get your masters, but I don't see if it's something that you're driven to do. You obviously are very intelligent young woman. If it's something you're driven to do. And do you, if you think it'll be cost effective, like it'll provide the opportunity that you're looking for in your field of science, then I would say go for it. But also it seems like a situation where you could be looking into what type of work you can do in your community. Like if there's non profits and things that could be applicable. But also like, you know, naturally you want to be able to take care of yourself financially and things like that. But you know, there are going to be opportunities where you can work for nonprofits and maybe there's a stem, some, some sort of application for STEM in those spaces. But if you do send me your resume and the people in the comments. If, if, if you do, are you, if you are in these STEM fields and you want to know more about, like, what her degree is and how it could be applicable to you. You let me know, you send me your resume, we'll hook it up and put it together. All I can do is make the connections. As far as advice, I think you have a couple of avenues and options, right? If you wanted to go back and get the masters, that's an option. But I also just think that maybe like, like I said, you should be looking into your in the community and seeing if maybe there's a nonprofit that works in the black community where you can't actually help black people. And you could be real boots on the ground about it and it'll maybe it'll scratch that issue that you're looking for to give you fulfilling work and you can also still pursue your Masters and do things like that in the meantime. And if we can make a connection over here, we will. But we appreciate you reaching out. We appreciate the flowers and we wish you the best and get into some of these Trade Help needed First off, want to say I love the podcast. What you guys do is amazing. I've even put a couple of my brothers onto the pod and they love doing the knowledge as well. My name is blank, I'm 24, currently located in South Carolina. I'm currently reaching out because I need help getting my foot in the door regarding trades. Tried college twice. Not really a fan, but I want to go into trade. Get into a trade, specifically electrical or H Vac. I've heard getting a apprenticeship can be hard without knowing someone. I've applied for multiple apprenticeships with no luck so far. But I'm not motivated and really want this. If there are any brothers and sisters out there in South Carolina, Columbia, Spartanburg, Greenville or Greer areas that could help me get my foot in the door, that would be amazing and greatly appreciated. I'm hardworking, fast learner, extremely punctual, help, multiple leadership positions professionally and academically. But I want to take the next step in my life and find a career even if I don't get the answers I'm looking for. I appreciate you guys for motivating me to get into a trade. I can be contacted at this email or even by phone. P.S. do a show in Charlotte or even Columbia. You'll be surprised how many fans y'all have out here in the SC and NC area. Well, Charlotte is on the table right now. But yeah, y'all heard the young man. He did leave me his number. If you do live in the Columbia, Spartanburg, Greenville or Greer area in South Carolina and You have some access or, or just some advice or some direction on how this young man can either get into a trade school or an apprenticeship. It will be greatly appreciated. Just shoot me an [e-mail] Deontayantaykyle.Com Shoot me an email and I'll get you in contact with him. I have his email and I also have his number and I can put y'all in connection. So just holla at me and let me know. Appreciate you, young man, for reaching out and you know it's gonna shake, bro. You want it. You smart. Like you said, you're a fast learner and you taking the initiative to reach out here and you know, that's what we trying to do. We're just trying to make the connections, bro, wherever we can. And I actually, I think I got. I'm gonna call somebody I know and see if they know something because my man just sent me this junk. He sent me this job board called roadtex.com. so it's a job board that can look, literally get you a job anywhere and it's applicable to all trades. So it's. It's. It's called roadtex.com road r o a d text t-e c h s dot com. But if anybody can help my. This young brother out with any information in South Carolina area. He did say electrician. H Vac specifically. So if y'all can get some help in that, we would appreciate the help, man. Subject line. I fucked up. Okay. Accountability. Accountability. Yo, Deontay. Big ice cup cat. Peace and blessings. I'm 22, got a decent job. My girlfriend recently had a falling out because I shitted on something she was very passionate about because I didn't understand it. And out of frustration, I said some fucked up things to her. Out of ignorance. I apologized and took full responsibility damn near instantly because I recognized my behavior was similar to what my father would do to me. She was very hurt by my words and she has every right. I love my lady with everything in me. A beautiful woman who is damn near perfect. I feel like this might be it for us. And she's someone that I don't want to lose because of my ignorance. Aunt nephew in trouble. Can you give me some advice as to how to make things right? Look, you gotta get on your knees and plead, my boy.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Keep sweat.

[Deontay Kyle]

I had to get in your. Keep sweat. Yeah, nigga. James Brown made a song with one word. Please, please, please, please, please.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

That's not the whole song.

[Deontay Kyle]

Please, please don't please, please, please, please, please. That nigga was begging. Hey, you gonna have to start pleading, my boy. Look, you fucked up, okay? It's a reactionary behavior. You're 22. You don't have it all figured out, and you are operating off of learned behavior. Correct. So first of all, you have to be vulnerable enough to let her know that you recognize this behavior stems from childhood. Second of all, you have to understand that she's gonna have to regain trust for you when sharing big things and big ideas because you did shit on her. And that's her process. If she chooses to stay with you, then she loves you, and she may just have to dial it back when it comes to expressing things that she holds near to her. Now, that could fracture the relationship in the long term. But change behavior is how you do that. So the way that she's going to change behavior, she's not going to give you the big things. She's going to give you little things and see how you react to that. So you have to always be mindful of the impacts of your words and actions, which it seems like you are and which is really good because you took accountability. And I'm pretty sure anybody can understand saying things out of frustration or ignorance. But like you said, this is something she was holding close to her. So the effects of it may just be a little fracture of trust. This may not be means for the relationship to end, but you also have to understand that y'all are young and she's going to put these things in perspective. Well, what would my dreams mean to him when I get older? You know what I mean? When I want to try something? Are you going to shit on my ideas? Are you going to shit on my dreams? Or am I going to go to. Are you going to be a space of support for me? And these are valid on her end. And your reaction, you know, you acknowledge that it's fucked up, and you acknowledge that it's learned behavior, but you need to learn and grow from this behavior and make sure it doesn't happen again. And then you're gonna have to hit your knees.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

And not only talk to God, but you gotta beg your girl. You're gonna beg her. You gotta beg her in the privacy of your own home. Yeah, you're gonna have to beg. All right. Where this one? But I wish you the best, bro. You're gonna be all right. You're gonna be all right, man. We all up. You're young, bro. You up. You know what I'm saying? The fact that you Acknowledge you up. You ten steps ahead of these, man. And if you. And if it's. If you as a girl and you watching the show, man, forget that young man. He didn't mean that.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

He mean that.

[Deontay Kyle]

His daddy used to be tripping. Now he be tripping.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Now he tripping because his daddy was tripping. You know what I mean?

[Deontay Kyle]

Sometimes be tripping.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

But he acknowledged it, though.

[Deontay Kyle]

He acknowledges. So we good to go. All right, here goes the juicy email.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Well, what we got, son?

[Deontay Kyle]

My father slapped a race. Yes.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yes. That's what I've been waiting on. Slapping out his son.

[Deontay Kyle]

Slapping racing palms on.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, son.

[Deontay Kyle]

Hey, y'all, my name is blank, and I'm writing to your show to get some help or any advice. Yes, the subject line is extremely wild, but it's true. Currently watching your most recent episode and hearing you speak about community support for Carmelo Anthony, defending himself against supremacists is giving me hope. So hopefully you'll find it hard to speak on my family's current situation.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

All right, here we go.

[Deontay Kyle]

All right. Great. State of Florida.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Oh, shit.

[Deontay Kyle]

On April 6, 2025, my mother and my father were out to eat at a Cracker Barrel in Bradenton, Florida, that they frequent often.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Why do black people love Cracker Barrel?

[Deontay Kyle]

That good. You just gotta keep it as real as we can. That should be hitting. It should be hitting. It's something in that syrup, man.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

It's something, that syrup.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yo, I put crack in that syrup. Pancakes. Mama's pancakes, Nigga, I never had it. Yeah, that shit feel racist when you walk in.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Did this feel racist? It looked racist on the outside. Just the porch.

[Deontay Kyle]

You can feel it.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Wheelchair. I mean, not wheelchairs. Rocking chair.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, and a Cracker Barrel used to hold whips. Hey, shit. Well, that's how we've identified the first problem. They end up trying to turn them white only pies into nigga pies.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, that's what it is.

[Deontay Kyle]

They frequent often. Father was checking out an old white man. Ben began antagonizing him about moving out of his way, and my father attempted to ignore him. But this old white man insisted on being a nuisance, and a verbal altercation ensued which led to the white man calling my father a stupid fucking nigger. Twice.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Shit.

[Deontay Kyle]

My father snapped and slapped the old racist man to the floor. And of course, the authorities were called. Everyone at the restaurant was defending my father's action. But he was arrested anyway and set in jail. Overnight, he was released on his own recognizance. But now we have to try to find A lawyer that will help us. The county that we live in is the definition of a good old boys club. And these white lawyers are asking for 4,500 to 6,000 up front. I'm a single mother and parent on limited income while I attend nursing school and my parents just don't have that kind of money right now. I'm not asking for any cash donations to be sent to us directly, but if anybody can find any hearts to help us with paying fees to a lord directly, find it in their hearts to help us with paying fees to a lawyer directly and would like to hear more about our story, that would be amazing. This is the second racist incident we've encountered in less than six months, which is another long story in itself. Always. Y'all stay blessed. Have a great weekend. Thank you for reading. Check this out. I have been in contact with a lawyer who's been trying to focus more on pro bono stuff and also has an extremely large network where he wants to take on situations just like this and be able to guide people in the right direction with great lawyers that will represent them. And nine times out of 10, going to be a great black lawyer. So I will reach out to him and forward him this email and he will have your email and he will send you an email and let you know what service he can provide. And it is pro bono for him. He just wanted to do something to help the community with his degree. He's a really stand up nigga. I got you, Trust me. But if there are any lawyers in Florida that want to take a look into this case and help out this family, please reach out to me and I will relay that information to this young woman, Ms. Adkins.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Shout out to Pops, man.

[Deontay Kyle]

Shout out to Pops for slapping the shit out that nigga. Man. Fuck that shit. We gonna look out. Yeah, we gonna look out. Start a go funk. Start a gifts and gonna. We'll do that. Yeah, yeah. Started gifts and go and then. Yeah, do that. I'm gonna figure out this lawyer. You started Gibson Go so we could raise some money for your pop. Slapping the shit out of a racist. Yeah, that deserved it. You mean stupid. How about this?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah. You said it twice.

[Deontay Kyle]

End up on your back, on the floor in a cracker barrel, on your pockets. Yeah.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Should have, should have ran his pockets. Yeah, but he put him on his pockets.

[Deontay Kyle]

Putting on his pockets in a cracker barrel. You thought, you thought this was back in the day, didn't you?

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Tell your folks to stay out that cracker barrel though.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, we gotta find a new restaurant. Black owned restaurant, something.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

What a great episode. Let me reach out to the old boy right now. Yeah. If. If you are a lawyer, practicing law. No lawyers. Holla at me. Send me an email, let me know. You trying to help the Atkins family, Ms. Atkins. Start a gifts and go so we can start donations towards your family and helping your pops get his legal fees so he can get off. Because that. That's the act of aggression. You call me a stupid? We know the. The lineage of that word.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

And we know what he meant by that. He demean him.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

And. And he demeaned his ass right on the goddamn floor. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. If I was there, I would have spit on your old ass.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Yeah. I would have kicked.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Broke your hip, bitch.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Called you a bootlegger.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Yeah. I'd have picked up a rocking chair and rocked his ass.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

I would have felt the wheelchair and rolled his ass out of there.

[Deontay Kyle]

All right. Episode six. Great episode, man. Deontayantaykyle.com for all advice submissions and music submissions. We finna do this New Music Monday. Ow. Deontaykyle.com for merch so we can support Suki Deontay Kyle across all platforms on.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Social B I G g k a t89 Instagram, big ice cup on TikTok. That's it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Everything you need is in the description. Trust me. Everything. How to vote for us, the events that's coming up, where to buy the tickets for that. It's all in the description. This is episode 61. I'm Deontay Kyle who's behind the camera. Big ice cupcat until episode 62. We will see you next time.

[Big Ice Cup Cat]

Ow.