Episode 85 - The Amanda Show ft. Amanda Seales

Summary

Grits and Eggs Podcast – Episode 85: “The Amanda Show” ft. Amanda Seales

Host: Deante’ Kyle
Guest: Amanda Seales
Release Date: September 16, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this landmark episode, Deante’ Kyle welcomes acclaimed actress, comedian, and outspoken activist Amanda Seales as his first-ever virtual guest. The conversation is a raw, thoughtful, and sharp-witted dive into topics spanning Black radical politics, therapy, the pitfalls of liberalism, media manipulation, ideological grifts, historical cycles, personal growth, and forms of resistance. Listeners are treated to Amanda’s insights on recent events, her approach to public debate, critique of the mainstream political spectrum, and practical advice on self-care for activists. True to form, Amanda and Deante’ bring humor and vulnerability while weaving deep analysis with lived experience.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking the Mold & Personal Introduction

• Deante’ highlights Amanda’s many public roles but Amanda prefers “Actress, Comedian, Radical” as her descriptors.

  “I hate all of those titles.” – Amanda (01:33)
  “Just go there. Actress, Comedian.” – Amanda (01:38)

• The episode opens with banter about therapy, astrology, and the importance of self-work for Black men (especially Cancer men).

  “Seriously, every cancer man should be in therapy once a week, minimum.” – Amanda (02:30)

2. Mental Health, Therapy & Self-Employment

• Both discuss the impact of therapy, changing needs over time, and Amanda’s dedication to mental health:

  “I have a therapy session right after this.” – Amanda (05:23)

• The challenges of self-employment without safety nets and the use of alcohol as a (not ideal) coping strategy.
• Amanda extols the value of sleep and routines for sharpness and emotional balance.

  “Sleep is. Like going to sleep at a, like, regular time is ... it'll just be healthier for your body.” – Amanda (07:23)

3. Body Positivity vs. Health

• Amanda distinguishes between body acceptance and unhealthy lifestyles, especially in the context of older age, sedentary jobs, and family life.

  “Body positivity is one thing, but if it's attributed to an unhealthy lifestyle, that's a different story.” – Amanda (08:18)

4. Political Violence, Media, and the “Liberal” Blind Spot

• The hosts analyze reactions to recent political violence (e.g. the shooting of Charlie Kirk), contrasting media narratives and the emotional responses of white liberals.
  • Timestamps: 09:21–11:21
• Amanda critiques the liberal tendency to mask racism as mere “political opinion”:

  “They're calling like white supremacy and fascism an opinion.” – Amanda (11:21)

• The conversation turns to the performance of being “on the right side of history,” and the desire of liberals to author the historical narrative.

  “Their right side of history is still, like, maintaining white supremacy.” – Deante’ (12:11)

5. Virtue Signaling, Hypocrisy, and Black Solidarity

• Amanda and Deante’ take aim at virtue signaling among liberals and the superficiality of “thoughts and prayers” after the death of avowed racists and fascists.

  “It's really just that. That's a virtue signal.” – Amanda (23:20)

• A comical but pointed exchange about “Stevens” (the Stephen from Django Unchained archetype), and Amanda shares her poem-in-progress, “Flowers for Massa”.

  “‘Massa died today and we were ordered to kneel in his field and pray that his soul be redeemed.’” – Amanda (21:46)

• They discuss intergenerational radicalization—like Deante’s conservative-leaning aunt shifting to a more radical stance through exposure and family experience.

  “If I got my auntie on their radical, I know I'm doing something...” – Deante’ (20:39)

6. Amanda’s Jubilee Experience & Black Conservatives

• Amanda details her Jubilee debate with Black conservatives, the emotional and intellectual labor involved, and the tactics of the opposition.

  “That was three hours taping... my mental capacity and stamina was tested that day.” – Amanda (26:27–27:00)

• Black conservatives, ideological assimilation, and the career path of “Cooning” (discussed in both survival and grift terms).

  “At this point, Koonin is a career path... they have made that as an option.” – Amanda (30:12)

• The nuances between Black conservatives motivated by grift (e.g., Candace Owens) versus those with genuine but problematic ideology.

7. Media Manipulation, Manufactured Consent, and Conspiracy

• Amanda lays out the ways public narrative is shaped, referencing the reporting of Kirk’s death by Trump rather than news outlets and how media literacy is crucial.

  “Using media literacy, understand that that headline is controlled manufactured consent.” – Amanda (14:23)

• Both call out “conspiracy” as a word with actual meaning, often misapplied or trivialized in discussions about systemic racism and American history.

8. Historical Cycles, Capitalism & Structural Racism

• The episode connects U.S. history to current events, highlighting:
  • The recurring cycles of oppression and resistance (“We are in a repeat of the cycle of the civil rights movement, except it’s a flipped mirror.” – Amanda, 70:41)
  • The use of drugs (heroin, crack, fentanyl) as tools of destabilization following civil rights victories.
  • The role of education, capitalism, and the long game of white supremacy (“they live decade to decade with their planning.” – Deante’, 59:58)

9. Contrarianism, Rage Bait, and the Decline of True Debate

• Amanda points out the shift in debate culture from intellectual exchange to performative contrarianism and rage-baiting for engagement.

  “We've gone away from a pure intellectual exchange of information to contrarianism via rage bait.” – Deante’ (84:13)

• She emphasizes that the purpose of public debate isn’t always to persuade the opponent but to educate the audience.

10. Resistance, Organizing, and the Limits of Respectability Politics

• Amanda stresses the need to direct energy toward the movable middle rather than entrenched contrarians or self-hating Black people:

  “I don't think that's who we should be talking to...” – Amanda (79:13)

• Both discuss the dangers of platforms giving legitimacy to “grift”-based conservative figures, and the importance of focusing on principles over party.

11. Practical Advice: Self-Care, Boundaries, and Recommended Readings

• Amanda shares routines for self-care:

  “I rest. I get a good night's sleep. I go to bed between 10:30 and 11:00... I remove people from my space that simply aren’t vibrationally aligned with me.” – Amanda (108:30)

• She’s candid about medication (Lexapro) to manage demoralization and stress:

  “I finally decided that I needed to get on medication to regulate... I was so deeply afflicted by the amount of demoralizing news...” – Amanda (111:12)

• Five Books for Black Radical Thought (112:36–114:58):
  1. Blood in My Eye by George Jackson
  2. Assata: An Autobiography by Assata Shakur
  3. Black Power by Kwame Ture and Charles V. Hamilton
  4. Black Marxism by Cedric Robinson
  5. Freedom Dreams: The Black Radical Imagination by Robin D.G. Kelley
  • Bonus: Imagine Freedom by Tochi Rahel Test for Mariam & Imagination by Ruha Benjamin
• Plus, for personal growth: Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the liberal obsession with order:

  “Liberals are more concerned with order than progress.” – Amanda Seales, referencing MLK (11:52)

• On survival and ‘cooning’:

  “Koonin’ used to be a source of survival... At this point, Koonin is a career path.” – Amanda Seales (30:12)

• On cycles of history:

  “There is no version of a cycle that does not create some level of disturbance. When we look at the cycles that the United States has gone through repeatedly, it is all cycles of fighting for rights that should already be apparent.” – Amanda Seales (70:54)

• On debate and education:

  “When I did the Jubilee thing... It was really, oh, I need to educate... like, I have to be in this space in love. And these people may not be, but that's how I have to be.” – Amanda Seales (82:00)

• On resisting grift-based politics:

  “We are entering a space where we're kind of past... the grift because... there’s real consequences... You have picked a side type shit.” – Deante’ (98:10)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Amanda on Therapy & Black Men: 02:19–05:23
• Alcohol, Self-Employment & Coping: 05:35–07:34
• Body Acceptance vs. Health: 08:11–09:02
• Political Violence, Media, and Liberalism: 09:21–14:23
• Virtue Signaling, Black Solidarity & “Stevens”: 19:40–23:27
• Jubilee Debate, Black Conservatives & ‘Cooning’: 26:07–35:07
• Historical Cycle Analysis: 43:33–50:57 & 70:41–77:24
• Activist Self-Care & Medication: 108:30–111:46
• Recommended Radical Books: 112:36–114:58

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Tone & Flow

The conversation is lively, deeply informed, often biting, and laced with Amanda’s characteristic humor and Deante’s direct, insightful questioning. Both speakers move fluidly between historical analysis, current events, personal anecdotes, and practical suggestions, creating a space that is equal parts community-building and intellectual exploration.

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For Further Reflection

This episode is ideal for listeners interested in:

• Black radical political thought
• Debunking liberal platitudes and the performance of allyship
• The lived experience and tactics of Black organizers and public intellectuals
• Self-care for activists and creatives
• Understanding the cycles of oppression and liberation in American history

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Closing Thoughts

Deante’ and Amanda close with mutual respect and the promise of future collaboration, a fitting end to a conversation centered on community building, self-knowledge, and activist scholarship.

“Be the person for (your children) that you needed at 11. And reading that book will help you refine.”
– Amanda Seales (125:38)

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Transcript

[Deontay]

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[Amanda Seals]

My name is Dana. I am a subscriber to the New York Times, but my husband isn't. And it would be really nice to be able to share a recipe or an article or compete with him in wordle or connections.

[Deontay]

Thank you, Dana. We heard you introducing the New York Times family subscription. One subscription, up to four separate logins for anyone in your life. Find out [e-mail] family all right, cool. This is my first virtual joint. You know what I'm saying?

[Amanda Seals]

Oh really?

[Deontay]

Yeah, you the first. Hold on, let me give him my. Let me get in my introduction. How do people introduce? All right, gang. We have a. A multi hyphenate creat. Actress, comedian, author, media personality, activist.

[Amanda Seals]

I hate all of those titles.

[Deontay]

A radical.

[Amanda Seals]

Just. Just go there. Actress, Comedian.

[Deontay]

Yeah, that's what they do, right? I normally just talk to my guests, but what's stopping you? No, you're the first virtual guest. We got to do this.

[Amanda Seals]

We had a whole conversation before we.

[Deontay]

Of her Amanda Land summit.

[Amanda Seals]

Oh my gosh.

[Deontay]

We just watched her run intellectual circles around 20 black conservatives and we were born three days apart. Amanda season, everybody.

[Amanda Seals]

Cancer. June cancer or July cancer.

[Deontay]

July 4th.

[Amanda Seals]

Wow, look at you, Susie Blow. Do you go to therapy?

[Deontay]

I do not. I need to.

[Amanda Seals]

Seriously, every cancer man should be in therapy once a week minimum. It should start with three months of twice a week. Hardcore. Like a regimen.

[Deontay]

All right, all right.

[Amanda Seals]

Because y' all have all the emotions, like, but then you also have like the intellect. But then you have a society that won't let you combine the two. So it's a tough.

[Deontay]

Yeah. I think when I've been called a narcissist a few times.

[Amanda Seals]

In what context?

[Deontay]

That either I'm too. I'm too emotional. Where it's emotional manipulation or not enough emotion, which is also.

[Amanda Seals]

I think you're just neurodivergent. But narcissism is an overused word. Narcissist is I preserve my feelings over everything else and I will do whatever it takes to protect myself. Which means oftentimes just avoiding any level of criticism or self awareness.

[Deontay]

I just think that there's like these Hail Mary words that people use.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah.

[Deontay]

When there's like, there's no argument to be won there. It's just like.

[Amanda Seals]

I mean, did you grow up with both your parents. So.

[Deontay]

Yeah, so until I was like 13, 11, 12, 13. Because my mom is actually the person that moved initially. So when they split up.

[Amanda Seals]

Well, that's gonna make narcissism happen. Hate to break it. Living with your dad, just having a parent leave.

[Deontay]

Yeah, yeah. Then I flim. Sorry. That's how I ended up in Atlanta because before I started high school, moved in with mom.

[Amanda Seals]

I mean, if you want to like be useful in resistance, you're going to have to go to therapy. I mean, because what has prevented in my theory, one of the big reasons why our resistance has been able to be so. Our resistant efforts have always been able to be so easily infiltrated is because we are not mentally and spiritually strong. Like we need to be considering the evils that were fighting.

[Deontay]

Yes, a lot. Because it's non stop. Also, I, you know, even outside of like that, it's some. I need to unpack on myself. Some personal, like just, just to kind of get through it, you know, I mean.

[Amanda Seals]

How old are you?

[Deontay]

35.

[Amanda Seals]

Oh, it's a good time. This is the time.

[Deontay]

Yeah, it's like prime time.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, you better get in the game. Yeah, you'll be right. By 38, you'll be right. Yeah.

[Deontay]

So I, I take it you are in therapy.

[Amanda Seals]

Oh, yeah. I'm a big believer. I mean, your theory changes over time. You know, the type of therapy that you need or that you find useful. I have a therapy session right after this.

[Deontay]

Oh, word. All right. Yeah, I'm actually not drinking until spring. That's like one of my goals. I noticed since I've been like self employed over the last few months, my drinking has seen an uptick.

[Amanda Seals]

Oh, really? Yeah, as like a coping mechanism.

[Deontay]

Yeah, it's a lot of. Yeah, because there's no like safety net. It's just like all pain.

[Amanda Seals]

Which is beautiful as well as a.

[Deontay]

Exactly. Because it's like there is no like pto. No, no. Also no insurance. You know what I'm saying? There's just. I'm five months in, so it's like, it's just a conscious decision that I made. I was like, look, I knew I was going to this Clips concert the other day and I was like, all right. After that I'm cool.

[Amanda Seals]

Okay.

[Deontay]

Okay. I just got with WME and so now I'm gonna start a tour.

[Amanda Seals]

Okay.

[Deontay]

It's a lot of, you know what I'm saying? I'm, I'm. I got, I got a brand. I got a meeting with brands for ad reads on the pod. It's a lot of going on, and.

[Amanda Seals]

I get it while it's hot.

[Deontay]

Yeah, Yeah. I take all these meetings too. So it's like, well, you have to.

[Amanda Seals]

Stay sharp too, you know, so the liquor also prevents the sharpness. And, I mean, you're clearly a neurodivergent person, so liquor is gonna not be your best friend. But sleep is.

[Deontay]

Well, I.

[Amanda Seals]

Like going to sleep at a, like, regular time is. And. Right. So. And it'll just be healthier for your body.

[Deontay]

Yeah. I feel a little bloated in the face, and you know what I'm saying? I look a little puffy, you know what I'm saying? Once I. I don't know if I'm neurodivergent or vain as hell, where I'm just like. You know what I'm saying? This little right here, this ain't it.

[Amanda Seals]

I'm not. I'm not with it. I mean. I mean, I'm a size large in shorts now and just had to accept that and call it thickness. Just forge forward.

[Deontay]

Yeah. Because I be. I've embraced the dad by over, like, the last two years. But I'm also like. I want to feel good in my body.

[Amanda Seals]

You're too 35 to be just embraced. Listen, body positivity is one thing. Body positivity is one thing, but if it's. If it's attributed to an unhealthy lifestyle. Lifestyle. That's a different story.

[Deontay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one. I'm saying. Well, I was driving trucks too, so it's like, you know, the. My entire 30s.

[Amanda Seals]

Right. Like, the cemeteriness of it.

[Deontay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I noticed, like. And I only gained weight in, like, my mid area. I don't know.

[Amanda Seals]

Not the. You got the skinny legs.

[Deontay]

I wouldn't say skinny. We wouldn't go that far.

[Amanda Seals]

Not skipping leg day.

[Deontay]

I'm proportionate. I just don't get like. Like that. All right, I'm gonna let you cook because you my guest.

[Amanda Seals]

All right.

[Deontay]

You got one more?

[Amanda Seals]

I don't. I don't. Respect. Respect. Respect.

[Deontay]

All right, so elephant in the room.

[Amanda Seals]

What is it? What is it? Oh, political violence ain't in the room no more.

[Deontay]

Out the room.

[Amanda Seals]

Clear. Clear them out.

[Deontay]

Yeah. You know when it. When it happened, somebody sent me the video immediately. And, like, you know, I'm not. No squeamish. So we grew up, like, kind of watching this type of. On the Internet, like, early 2000s and whatnot. So they was just reporting it as shot. I was like, cuz. Yeah. That was on impact. That was over with. But I want to ask this because I'm sure you share my same sentiments about white liberals, but have you seen this, like, Dean Withers kid, the one.

[Amanda Seals]

Who said he was crying?

[Deontay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that. Yeah. Thoughts and prayers, for sure.

[Amanda Seals]

Well, I think ultimately we get caught up in this and I. I gave myself 24 hours to be a part of the narrative, the rhetoric. Right, right.

[Deontay]

Just kind of be a little facetious about it.

[Amanda Seals]

Well, I mean, even. I mean. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I'll be honest. Yes. Greater. The greater problem with liberals reacting this way is, in my opinion, that they.

[Deontay]

Are.

[Amanda Seals]

Conflating deeply seated racism as a political opinion.

[Deontay]

Right. So I, I gave myself some time too, just to kind of like, get that shit off. I. I stay away from Twitter, but I, I have taken a liking to threads and basically my thing is, is like, y' all are calling like white supremacy and fascism an opinion.

[Amanda Seals]

Yep. That's what you're calling it. The liberals that are supporting that are again, perpetuating the Democrat controlled opposition efforts.

[Deontay]

I think liberal.

[Amanda Seals]

Sorry, go ahead.

[Deontay]

I think one of the biggest benefits to being a conservative is having liberals on your side.

[Amanda Seals]

Absolutely. Because they're going to cold order. That is what liberals are about. They're more concerned. And that's what Dr. King talks about in. In his book, Where Do We Go From Here? Community or Chaos? He says, you know, liberals are more concerned with order than progress.

[Deontay]

Yeah. Because at the end of the day, the performance of, like, being on the right side of history, you know, that's like a big thing with people, is that when the history books, when they tell the story, I'm going to be on the right side of history, but like, their right side of history is still like, maintaining white supremacy.

[Amanda Seals]

Absolutely.

[Deontay]

Yeah.

[Amanda Seals]

Because. Because when they think about that, when they talk about that, I'm just like, well, what are you. Are you expecting to be writing the books?

[Deontay]

Oh, absolutely.

[Amanda Seals]

Because if that's the case, then we're still.

[Deontay]

They want to be the author.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes. Right.

[Deontay]

They want to be the authors. I, I think this thing of like, I try not to go like, you know, death for death with these people, because that's a. That's a long road ahead. But I think when they start talking about stuff like, odd, like, you know, there were kids there, his daughter was there, and things like that. And it's like, you know, these are the same people that, like, he. If, if he had it his way, she would own you. And then this is the same person.

[Amanda Seals]

Who Said that Palestine doesn't exist.

[Deontay]

Well, also, you know, empathy is a made up word.

[Amanda Seals]

So we're not going death for death. We're going quote for quote right now.

[Deontay]

For quote, for sure.

[Amanda Seals]

And you know, what we're saying is antithetical to the defense that people are applying. Right. And so what happens is people use these individuals as a symbolism, as a way to project their own, you know, desire to, like you said, be on the right side of history, et cetera, et cetera, instead of seeing these individuals within their own existence. Right. Like I don't need Charlie Kirk or my response to Charlie Kirk to in any way be an indicator of where I exist in history. I am responding to how he existed in history.

[Deontay]

Right. And Jeff, doesn't erase like your life. It doesn't erase. And I like. And not only that, in your last words, you was gonna send out a race. You was literally in, got gang violence out. And I mean, and they have footage.

[Amanda Seals]

Now that shows that there's like men on the side of him doing hand signals. Right? Yeah, so, but the bigger issue here is that immediately, first of all, when I saw that the announcement came via Donald Trump, I said, oh, I know where this is going. Like I didn't see this reported by Reuters or reported by CNN or reported by ap. I saw them report Donald Trump says Charlie Kirk is dead. So first of all, we have to, using media literacy, understand that that headline is controlled manufactured consent. The fact that it was reported via the President, that's just another version of him signing your Covid check.

[Deontay]

Right.

[Amanda Seals]

Him putting his name on it to align a certain thing with his rhetoric. And his rhetoric is representative of a greater white nationalist movement.

[Deontay]

Okay, so that's one nationalist thing. And then flying, flying flags that have staff and things like this, like, so.

[Amanda Seals]

That is.

[Deontay]

Like that, you know.

[Amanda Seals]

Now the second thing I saw was that he immediately put out a video on his truth social saying that this is somehow attached to leftist violence and it needs to be checked. And he dog whistled all of white nationalists, all the alt right groups, et cetera, to now do the opposite of stand down, but to stand up. And we're gonna, we're gonna quiet all the leftist organizations, et cetera, like the, the People's Forum, which is a socialist space here in New York City, like they got some letter from some senator or represented the other day saying that like they're going to be under audit for, you know, how they're spending their money, which is again another effort of the tools of fascism to quiet leftists like you're considered a leftist, you know, so, like, you're at wme. I'm curious to see how they're going to handle those of you that they represent who are actively against this effort, because it's a McCarthyism movement that's about to happen.

[Deontay]

Yeah, I'm. I. That was one of my, like, very first things. I was like, you know, y'. All. Y' all know what I do. Y' all know what I talk about. You know, y' all ain't just looking at the numbers. Are y' all listening in the meeting with or, like, extremely hip, you know what I mean? As far as. Even things that I know aren't, like, extremely relevant to, like, things that I've went viral for recently on things is, like, as far back as last year. So I was like, all right, that's cool. We'll see. But I think the thing is, is, like, for me, I knew it was weird because I saw. When I saw the video, and then I see the report is shot, critical condition. It's like, oh, y', all, Like, y' all don't have the green light to, like, report his death. So, you know, more in alignment with what y' all is, like, Trump wants to handle this the way he wants to handle. Now, another thing that strikes me as odd is, like, where are these people who have, like, alternative expressions in Utah?

[Amanda Seals]

My brother. My brother. They're on a college campus.

[Deontay]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but, like, it didn't seem like it was one of those college campuses where he was there. I mean.

[Amanda Seals]

No, I'm agreeing with you. On a college campus. I don't know if you ever used it. Did you ever see. Oh, man. With their menaces. Black menaces. Did you ever see their videos on Tick Tock? It's these black folks that were at Brigham Young University, and I think they were at another Utah University, but they started at these schools where they would just ask white people questions like, do you know who Harriet Tubman is? Do you know who Rosa Parks is? And they'd be like, no.

[Deontay]

So to me, this thing is this. It's like, one of the, like, biggest tenants that I know of about Mormonism is just that these. They look at our melanin as, like, the sign of the devil type. You know what I'm saying? Like a curse. So I'm out already, full stop. I'm like, yeah, I'm cool.

[Amanda Seals]

Y' all got.

[Deontay]

Really ain't no conversation that we could really have, because you automatically is just like, this nigga's the devil, you know? What I'm saying, yeah, yeah, I'm good. You know what I'm saying right now. The only other thing, you know, my auntie, I got an auntie that's like, she would, she would be a little bit more conservative leaning as we were growing up due to like Christianity and things like that. Right. But as she's been like tapped in with my show and like just kind of getting to know me more as an adult radical, you feel right?

[Amanda Seals]

Right? Yeah, yeah.

[Deontay]

So she was like, man, that was a well placed shot. I said, oh, it's 6, it's 6:15 in the morning, I'm getting up to take my daughter to school. She's like, yeah, that from 200 yards, well placed, straight right to the jugular. She was like, I'm interested to see how they're going to spend this to make this about us. I said, damn, good job, Deontay. Yeah. I mean, and talking about auntie knocking on 50, you feel me? And her thing was, she said her quote was, they will sacrifice, they'll sacrifice two white men to make this a way to turn it around us on us, baby.

[Amanda Seals]

They. Heck yeah.

[Deontay]

And I was like, damn, auntie on that though.

[Amanda Seals]

You prayed on that. And that's what she came up with.

[Deontay]

Okay, for sure. I said, I was like, nah, if I got my auntie on their radical, I know I'm doing something because this is, you know, there's somebody who's in, you know, she's child psychologist Christian, you know what I'm saying? Like her, her school of thought has always been a little bit more left leaning. But you know, that religion, man, that religion chokehold gonna wrap you right up. And I mean, we seeing it today with a lot of these Stevens. It's a lot of Stevens out here.

[Amanda Seals]

What does that mean?

[Deontay]

You know, from Stephen, from Django.

[Amanda Seals]

Is we sick, boss?

[Deontay]

We sick?

[Amanda Seals]

Is we sick, boss?

[Deontay]

We sick.

[Amanda Seals]

I'm currently writing a poem called Flowers for Master about this. Yeah, it's called Flowers for Massa. And it. And I, I'm still in the midst of it, but it begins, Massa died today and we were ordered to kneel in his field and pray that his soul be redeemed.

[Deontay]

Well, I mean, you could just make that a haiku.

[Amanda Seals]

He's like, that's it. Let it, that's it.

[Deontay]

I mean, really just fade it out. You know what I'm saying? That was it. Yeah. Because I'm at this place because I too like, like you. I'm not. I don't vibe or mesh with like the liberal thing. I know that my politics are left leaning, but I too align with just more radical thought. And I don't have time to, like, try to understand. I can't understand a person that's going to say, oh, yeah, like black women doesn't have the brain processing power. If I see a black pilot, I'm like, I hope he's qualified. When I'm in the customer service and these black moronic women are there, I'm wondering, is this a d I hire or is this a product of her bad choices? All these different things, right? This man has said throughout his career, silver rights was a bad idea. All of these different things. And then this person dies, right? And then these people are like, we need to pray for the fam. Like, shut up, shut up, shut up.

[Amanda Seals]

We need to pray his sons don't feel compelled to carry on his legacy.

[Deontay]

I mean, I just don't want nothing. I just don't understand.

[Amanda Seals]

Well, I think it's a virtue signal. It's really just that. That's a virtue signal. It's.

[Deontay]

It's really, really all these people that will reshare memes from Inglorious Bachers like, oh, the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. And then like, right. Literally pray for a Nazi when he dies. Insane to me, though.

[Amanda Seals]

Okay, so correct me if I'm wrong, but did we. Did. Did Barack Obama and. And these other Democrats, did they. Did they send out, like, thoughts and prayers for sure? No, no thoughts and prayers when the representative from Minnesota was murdered?

[Deontay]

Absolutely not. And did any of them make a peep about those children that were shot in Colorado?

[Amanda Seals]

Because Gavin Newsome literally put out a tweet saying we need to carry on Charlie's legacy. And y' all want to. Not y', all, but folks want to be on my head about Democrats.

[Deontay]

I mean, what is his legacy? Arguing, like being a grown man and debating with college age kids, but then having nothing to say when grown other. When other grown men with fully developed brains are in front of him opposing his views.

[Amanda Seals]

I mean, just last week he had my name in his mouth.

[Deontay]

Well, and then I also look at people like Dean Withers as controlled opposition. Like, oh, y' all were buddy, buddy. Y' all are just more of the. Y' all are more of the same. This is. This is like great value. Democrats and Republicans, they just like buddies behind the scenes list. Let's debate on camera for views and clicks. But like, I feel like the thing with Dean, like the Dean Withers kid is like, damn, I just watched my Bag.

[Amanda Seals]

I didn't see that coming. You fixed me with that one.

[Deontay]

That's crazy. That's like seeing. That's like somebody calling you. Like, damn. They pulled the car over with all the bricks in it. Like, damn. We was gonna the streets up with them bricks.

[Amanda Seals]

But go get a job.

[Deontay]

Go get a job. But I don't know, man. I. You know, it kind of leans me into my questions that. I wanted to talk to you about your appearance on Jubilee, first of all, shout out to you. You know what I'm saying? Being able to just like, I, you know, we obviously do need therapy because there was a way that you maintain your composure throughout that.

[Amanda Seals]

I flipped one time, but they cut it.

[Deontay]

So they cut that. But then also too just kind of like redirecting those people's energy constantly to, like, this is a debate. Would I would. I know.

[Amanda Seals]

That was three hours taping.

[Deontay]

Yeah. And it was. So there's a whole hour and a half missing.

[Amanda Seals]

I mean, I don't think people understand how long you're having to engage. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's not. It's not for the mentally. Like, I can't run for. Like, my lungs are just not made for that. They are not Kenya made. But my mental capacity and stamina was tested that day. And I'm proud to say that I. I came out of there.

[Deontay]

I would say this. I would say one of my biggest observations throughout is that the black women there were a little bit more willing to engage in a debate from a more respectful manner, instead of a lot of it being like just over talking. Over talking. Two. Two of them, specifically.

[Amanda Seals]

Well, by the time they got there, I had already raised up and said, I will leave. Like, I didn't come here for free, have men yelling in my face.

[Deontay]

Yeah. So. So there's a thing. A black man with an Israeli coin around his neck. But saying white culture is better than black culture when they have an entire history of barbarism. Like, what the is that?

[Amanda Seals]

You know, so I'll tell you that one of the things that. Because, you know, of course you're gonna leave and be like, damn, I should have said. I mean, that haunted me for like a month that I should have said.

[Deontay]

I mean, but you were saying. Even what you said in the moment, though, was just as important. You was only.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, the thing about. About their quote unquote arguments was in many cases, they were so nonsensical that my brain would freeze up because it was like, I don't even know how to Argue there's no such thing as white supremacy. Like.

[Deontay]

Spamming that on the Internet. This like, what? So there's a kid, Matt, Nuclear, he.

[Amanda Seals]

Did an interview with Charlie Kirk last week.

[Deontay]

Oh, okay, so stage name for sure. But also the way you clocked it, like, nigga, are you acting, nigga? I was like, yeah, because he's. Because, okay, so it's scary, right? This is a young man.

[Amanda Seals]

And.

[Deontay]

The stance of a black conservative is watch white supremacy put a knife in you and then deny that the knife is there 1000%. That is how I see that. Because even with your arguments, it's like tweets, tweets, tweets, tweets. Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk talking point. Reiterate that, reiterate that. Not like factual backing, not even address anything that you say. Just like, let me redirect this back to like some statistic or some crazy ass quote that I heard somewhere that, like you said, it has no factual backing, but it's a way of like, we're not going to have this argument.

[Amanda Seals]

In good faith, which is why we have to discuss capitalism. Capitalism. Because this is. This is not only a result of, you know, white, you know, white mediocrity, but it is, it is also the result of capitalism creating a pathway through white supremacy for whoever wants to engage in it. Right? So, like, in my play, what Would the Ancestors say? I do a monologue as Harriet Tubman and I talk about how Coonan used to be, like, a source of survival. It was like, for some folks, it felt better to choose to love your master than to be forced to be their slave. Right? But at this point, Koonin is a career path they have successfully made, allowing your body and mind to be colonized and weaponized against black people. And anyone who is against their, you know, their trajectory, they have made that as an option. And that can be done nuclear or by being a member of ice. But they have literally opened up for recruitment, saying, anybody can be down who's willing to give up their associations to the. The group that we are attacking. And that's going to continue happening because it's necessary for them to have ranks of people that can infiltrate, etc. And it's not like it's new, it's just, it's expanding, which is why the resistance also has to be recruiting.

[Deontay]

Okay, so here's. Here's a few things. One, we must be in, like, a shared notes app. I have like a whole. I have like a 30 minute rant on one of my podcasts about Cooning for survival. Because I understand what. I get what that is. If I am enslaved, maybe humiliation for survival, to survive, also to be shown somewhat favorable, you know, conditions somewhat other than the whip, you know, if I can.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, if I can make that make.

[Deontay]

Sense, I can make that make sense. Because also too, we are literally life and death every day.

[Amanda Seals]

Every day.

[Deontay]

No, no alienable rights. None whatsoever. Like, not even considered human. Yeah, I, I can understand how that flip can. That switch can flip in somebody's head. So now I have a note here. The black conservative being a minority, but this also being an actual held ideology outside of being a grift. So now it's outside of like the Candace Owens grift of it all and into like. No, this is actually how I think and who I am. So they've immersed themselves, for one. There is some. There is something to be said about considering being away from black people, upward mobility. So putting your children in situations where they are the extreme minority, because that can create two different type of people. Right. This can create a radical or, or the super coon. You dig what I'm saying?

[Amanda Seals]

Yes.

[Deontay]

And so when we look at people like, you know, Matt Nuclear, stage name, as like.

[Amanda Seals]

Well, did you. Wait, did you see the whole thing?

[Deontay]

I, I had at about like, he's not black American. Yeah, no, no, no, I've seen that for sure. Yeah. And then also too, like the smug looks at some. A lot of your points for me was just like, he's not even out.

[Amanda Seals]

They cut out a part where he had gotten real, real beside himself. And they cut it to just where I said, so you're not going to talk to me like that. Like you, you need to talk to me like I'm your mama. Because I don't know who you think I am. But it was very reflective of the rhetoric that we've been saying about this Charlie person. Right. Where there's no regard for black women at all.

[Deontay]

There's nothing there. Like, they have to. It's, it's. It's this odd thing of like, they don't see. It's almost like they don't see themselves. So, okay, perfect example. Down to Earth by Chris Rock. Right.

[Amanda Seals]

Okay.

[Deontay]

You remember when he was in the store and he was like, wanna lie? Wanna try? But he don't know he a white man.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah.

[Deontay]

So the inverse. So you can imagine that there are. Who are. Chris rocks walking around out purely the actor, not what the man represents, because they are.

[Amanda Seals]

But I mean, but it's like a body dysmorphia.

[Deontay]

It's a body dysmorphia. Like they don't see themselves as they are. They don't see themselves themselves as they're seen. And oftentimes the.

[Amanda Seals]

Well, that was O.J.

[Deontay]

So yeah, they're the last ones to realize it. And oftentimes when they realize this is way too late.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, it's. Yeah.

[Deontay]

Or you know, you know, an unfortunate sacrifice. So the odd thing about people like that to me is like you're coming with a fact, a fact based opinion for one. Like things that they can't really deny. And then it turned and then it morphs into this thing of like a couple of, a couple of the same points. Victim. You want to be a victim. When are we going to stop looking at ourselves as victim?

[Amanda Seals]

Yep.

[Deontay]

Or they want to take it all the way back to slavery and talk about nothing that's happened since. So when you bring up redlining, they're like, no, that didn't exist. Nobody brought up the fucking war on drugs. And it's like, it's odd to me because it's like I say this all the time. We are living in the effects of the war on drugs. A lot of them will agree that poverty is a precursor to crime, but ignore the entire last 40 years. And, and like what that. What kind of conditions that created in the first place.

[Amanda Seals]

Well, something I've noticed today. Right, right. Saying, you know, post the scenario that took place. Oh, I don't want to engage in conspiracy theory. And the truth of the matter is that this entire nation is a conspiracy. Like we, I don't know how many old white retired men have to. From retirees from this government have to write books and do lectures and do documentaries about the complete conspiracy that this place is for folks to grasp. Like, you're not interrupting conspiracy theory at this point. Then you're not seeking truth because it's not supposed to be about making up lies. It's supposed to be about dispelling the lies. Right. So like even in the war on drugs, we can't even have that conversation because a real conversation that has to be had with people who actually want to have this whole, how did black people get here? How did we get. The people who want to have that real conversation will say they did to us what they do everywhere else. They created a war to then attack us. The war on drugs was a Cree. It was a war created by the white folks to then criminalize us. They just created another opportunity for, for bringing us into these labor markets, AKA prison. Right.

[Deontay]

So yeah, the, the There is never.

[Amanda Seals]

But they don't want to have that conversation because they can't see that deep.

[Deontay]

Well then also too. It's like there, there's no. So when you said earlier like we need to talk about capitalism. Right. What is the. What is the. So for 1.1 words matter. Words actually mean things.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes.

[Deontay]

Yeah. Outside of. Just because you repeat something over and over doesn't remove the like.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes. I was like. Just because you.

[Deontay]

Conspiracy means something. To conspire.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes.

[Deontay]

Actually means something. So when. When you see. When you read Columbus's papers and he says oh my gosh, these people are so generous.

[Amanda Seals]

Yep.

[Deontay]

They would make the perfect slaves.

[Amanda Seals]

Yep.

[Deontay]

That there is a conspiracy that saying. Oh guys, perfect plan, perfect plan. I got it. I just fig. It just hit me just now you.

[Amanda Seals]

Know, they don't, you know that to conspire is the plan. Plan.

[Deontay]

Okay. So perfect. So great. So. Well I mean they would know it if it was three black men on an armed robbery charge and then we were being charged with conspiracy. They would understand it then.

[Amanda Seals]

Touche, touche.

[Deontay]

Like yes, these, these. You know what I'm saying? So that, that's point one conspiracy. Right. But the idea of capitalism is it has to be whatever the blueprint of it is. Right. However a country functions, if. If we are in a building, there had to be blueprints laid down for this building to be built. Correct.

[Amanda Seals]

Right or wrong.

[Deontay]

So we got SKUs and all this different shit, right?

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah.

[Deontay]

The Skew of America is 100 profit system.

[Amanda Seals]

That's it.

[Deontay]

Based on human labor and natur. Natural resources.

[Amanda Seals]

That's it. And they've never found another way.

[Deontay]

And, and, and so in the. The, the very idea that we have to pay for their labor is like to them, they're like, they got away from us.

[Amanda Seals]

They like their money on the table. There's on the table?

[Deontay]

On the table.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah.

[Deontay]

So.

[Amanda Seals]

And now they got vatos on the table. They like.

[Deontay]

Well so. So there's even a crazier thing to me is like have you ever seen a black klans member? Right. In theory, in, in, in actual like walking uniform.

[Amanda Seals]

I was gonna say. I mean I can't. They're in the hood.

[Deontay]

So. So, so there's a thing. Right. But you can see a Hispanic ICE agent hard body. These niggas are crazy with the like the way that first of all you may have been here for two or three generations. You ready to close the borders? There's a lot going on in that community that we don't discuss anti blackness being One of it. But they're. They're like this assimilation that they do to, like, white to the white supremacy power structure, it isn't. It is like a baffling thing to me.

[Amanda Seals]

So I had someone explain it to me.

[Deontay]

Okay.

[Amanda Seals]

And it was an Asian person. And what they were saying was that when they immigrated here, the United States exists differently than other places that are more homogeneous. Right. Because there's. There's basically, like you said, like, there's a structure here that is very inherently capitalist and a history that is very binary. And that essentially when you get here, it is made abundantly clear to you via media, via government, and via your peer group that you come into that. If you want the easiest route here, you go to white.

[Deontay]

Yeah. So this is their cooning for survival.

[Amanda Seals]

I mean, I think in their moment, yes. I think there's a version of cooning for survival that is. That is taking place. I also don't know why they left where they left. Right. Like, were they ostracized there? And so it was like, you know, let me get something new, because my. My place ain't rocking with me anyway. There's so many reasons why people leave. I know for a lot of folks that are migrants from Central America, South America, Mexico, they're leaving because their governments and their economic systems have been destabilized by the United States.

[Deontay]

Right. So the entire war on drugs is to destabilize a Southern American country while. While doubly, Doubly, doubly. We're gonna flood these areas, these highly black concentrated areas, with this drug that they can't afford. But at the university up the street, we figured it out. We figured out how to make it cheap and affordable.

[Amanda Seals]

Here's the thing that people forget, because the way that we learn history is very siloed. Very siloed, when in actuality these things were happening in a very close sequential time frame.

[Deontay]

Right.

[Amanda Seals]

Civil Rights act of 1964, Voting Rights Act. So Malcolm X is murdered, assassinated. 1963. Civil rights, and so is Kennedy. 1964. Civil Rights Act. 1965. Voting Rights Act. 1967. Martin Luther King. 1968. No, not 68. Martin Luther King. 1968. Riots all over. 1968, Housing Rights Act. Right. So these are three. Over the course of a shortest, short span of time, you're seeing these. These legislative efforts, so to speak, to say, okay, blacks, we're gonna. We're gonna be okay with you. You're damn right. Then we also, at the same time, have the college students demanding ethnic studies and A presence in academia. So this is happening in the 60s. Then we go into Vietnam simultaneously. We have the black arts movement, we have the black power movement. We have all these cultural movements of let's take back our identity. This is happening in a very short amount of time.

[Deontay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Seals]

And they're like, these is getting too hype.

[Deontay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Seals]

So we're gonna give them heroin in Vietnam for sure. Frank White's gonna give them heroin in New York. And so you have a whole generation that was hooked on heroin in the late 70s and then they kept it going with crack. And after all of that pain of the 60s and all these assassinations and this war and losing all of these people, there's a welcome, there's a fatigue and a welcome that drugs I think also brings. And let's not also forget drugs did not really become deadly in the way that we know it to be until really the 80s, like for sure was definitely doing coke and living their best lives.

[Deontay]

Absolutely. So I think the thing is this is like the. Any anytime you have like a group of radical people, there are, there is like a big. Is. If I'm going to be big in involvement in like going against the establishment, my decompression is also going to be big too. So, you know, in, in the sense of like we're gonna party, we're gonna too the same coke and heroin that people are doing and still being able to function in their day to day life, some or more than others. Especially when we talk about heroin, we're not seeing that those people be able to come back from this new party drug that they're calling crack. It essentially just wiped out an entire generation.

[Amanda Seals]

The way things are cooked affects the ability to live off of. I've dated drug dealers.

[Deontay]

Right.

[Amanda Seals]

The way that you cook a drug is going to determine people's ability to function.

[Deontay]

Right. So there, there's a. I think there should be more focus on what you just said. There should be more focus on the sequence of events. Because you know, if we look at it like if we started like Trayvon 2014, and for the average millennial adult, it's just like Trayvon Mike Brown.

[Amanda Seals]

Correct.

[Deontay]

Pandemic.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes, yes.

[Deontay]

Like first Trump presidency pandemic, second Trump presidency. And it's, it is. And with social media is quite literally like the thing that I. The thing that hit me yesterday, that has hit me several times before is like, you never fucking know what you're gonna wake up to with these damn phones. You never know.

[Amanda Seals]

I had no idea that yo Conservative Radical Auntie was gonna wake you up at 6:15am today.

[Deontay]

You never know what's going to happen. I mean, and it gets more and more.

[Amanda Seals]

I really put my phone to the side knowing that I don't want to.

[Deontay]

Be shocked for two hours, literally, you.

[Amanda Seals]

Know, I mean, I was in the middle of my life yesterday, and I had plans. That's a wrap.

[Deontay]

I was in berea tacos. You did?

[Amanda Seals]

I was settling in to watch a new Korean drama.

[Deontay]

I'm over here. These tacos up, I'm dipping them, I'm doing my thing. And they caught me like, bruh, did you see this? No, I ain't seen. And, and, and. And it started with the thing that happened in North Carolina. So did you see, like, the dude just randomly stabbed the white lady on the bus in North Carolina?

[Amanda Seals]

I heard about this. Yes.

[Deontay]

Yeah. So I'm so that happened. I'm like, wow, that's crazy. We'll keep an eye on it, right? Because I don't know what's going on, right? And they're saying, this is a Ukraine lady and all this. And I'm like, all right, I'll figure out how they gonna spin this later. And then I get that call and I'm like, oh, okay, cool. Oh, there's a video. Oh, nigga, There goes my day. There goes my day. There goes my day. Because it's like, of course, given mining your position as well is like, people are going to want to hear what we have to say about it. But also, I try not to be extremely reactionary to things there. But that was one of those things where it's just like, bro, this kind of warrants a reaction. Like, this is insane money. You know what I'm saying?

[Amanda Seals]

Wow. I've been saying that, like, we haven't even gotten to the phase. I mean, we are now, but I've all I've been saying, I said two years ago, we're going to enter an assassination phase because that's a. That's an essential part of preserving power because it incites fear. And, you know, like, you know, like, if you do any. Even a cursory study of the Third Reich and, you know, Hitler coming to power, like, you know, in typical white people, they not come. They're not doing this with new plans. They're like, we're just going to steal some plans that's already been done. So what they're doing is the exact path that Hitler went. And there was the night of the Long Swords, and the night of the Long Swords was when Hitler was basically encouraged to merc folks that were in his squad, the. The sa because they was getting too powerful. They was feeling themselves too much. And so he was, they were, he was encouraged and they went, they went around and murked them all and.

[Deontay]

Right. So any other gang, there always is an opportunity where the leader becomes so powerful but is not doing any of the bidding. So the leader becomes like and ultimate delegator. Right. The people that are carrying out just. Let's call them missions. Right. So people that are carrying them out are garnering so much respect and notoriety in those same spaces that they're going to start to believe I could be the man.

[Amanda Seals]

Listen, when I was at MTV.

[Deontay]

I.

[Amanda Seals]

Remember looking at TRL being like so many goddamn houses, like 50 11. And I was like thinking about this out loud one day and my producer said, oh, you didn't know. They're never gonna let another Carson happen. Because Carson Daly, for those who don't know, was this guy who had started trl. This a regular white guy like this.

[Deontay]

Carson Daly is became. He was, he was the host of trl. To this nigga is mtv. Correct what I'm saying? Because now, because we have Kurt Loder and Sway carrying out news.

[Amanda Seals]

Yep.

[Deontay]

Only is all the music, all the. But all the music is coming through Carson, Dale and TRL is the biggest show on the fuck in the nation for sure.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes.

[Deontay]

And Carson Daly is interviewing all stars.

[Amanda Seals]

Eagles co created it.

[Deontay]

Oh, so he has some equity in the game too on the biggest show. Because from this we get what is. Is106 and park even a competitor yet or does you want to see?

[Amanda Seals]

I mean it comes out of it because it's Viacom. But ultimately my point though was that was to just agree with you and say like once, once they see somebody popping, they like, you know, you know.

[Deontay]

Carson Daly probably hit them with the I, you know, I should probably own mtv.

[Amanda Seals]

You know, that's what they, they love to say that about Bill Cosby. He tried to buy NBC.

[Deontay]

Okay, all right, so this is some, right? This is some. But somebody had tweeted out. They was like, they said, Charlie, Kurt was trying to buy NBC. That's like such a deep joke.

[Amanda Seals]

You.

[Deontay]

Know what I'm saying? There's like a highlighted verse in chapter 17. Like you gotta read the whole book. Why that is funny because somebody retweeted and was like, bro, Networks was like $12 million. Isn't he? Nowhere near.

[Amanda Seals]

No, you missed it. You missed it.

[Deontay]

You don't know.

[Amanda Seals]

You don't know. You don't know.

[Deontay]

So to your point, to your point, though, even, even those in allegiance with me can't get to the point where they think they have as much power as me, Right. I'm interested to see how Ben Shapiro moves after this because he's already canceled. Cancel some day. Oh, he canceled the entire tour.

[Amanda Seals]

He canceled, to my knowledge.

[Deontay]

Yeah. So you know what I'm saying? I, I, I think that.

[Amanda Seals]

Agent give them schools a holler.

[Deontay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Seals]

Well, I mean, they got, they got money allocated.

[Deontay]

There's a power vacuum. And there, there is the, the conservative thing is let me go to colleges and debate children so well.

[Amanda Seals]

But here's the other thing that's more sinister, right. The conservative thing is let me go to colleges and indoctrinate, right? Because if you look at, like the Shiny Happy People, for instance, documentary about just the actual concerted effort to start young, and you look at the Israeli society and the concerted effort to start young, and if we're honest, look at our just regular old American society, like we were pledging allegiance to a flag, right? So there was, there's always an understanding that it starts with the kids. It starts with the kids. So them going to colleges is not simply just a money grab. It's also a very practiced and supported effort of let's get this into these spaces. And we also have seen that the colleges were not only the first thing that Hitler and them went for, but also we then saw Donald Trump go for these colleges and say, you know, we're going to undermine their messaging. We're going to be sending in somebody who's going to review the contents of their curriculum because they know that that is where the movements also begin. I mean, Kent State, Fisk. Yeah, yeah, North Carolina. Like, that's it.

[Deontay]

It's such a, because it's, it's, it is the breeding ground for, like, radical rage against the machine type mentality.

[Amanda Seals]

A lot of people do not understand that this is mission work for them. Like after, like the, the, the civil rights movement, I think, okay, one of the things that really frustrates me about particularly folks online is that it seems like a lot of folks can only consider actions within the context of their own mortality. So it's like they only think about, like, these actions happening since they've been alive, even though the action has been in process before you. So immediately after the Voting Rights act of 1965, Ronald Reagan ran for governor in California in 1966, and he ran on Make America Great again. Right. Like, that's because y' all These folks was like, oh, they putting in the booths. We need to immediately start running this back. We need to immediately start squatting up and getting things in order to get America back to where it was. And his education secretary did like a very famous interview where he said, we cannot have an educated proletariat, AKA working class. And that is when colleges started to become expensive because they were like, we can't have everybody have access to education. But I say that, to say that, like, where we are now is a result of patient, methodical effort of white supremacists who are thinking long term, they are taking their time because they want to build something that will last.

[Deontay]

Correct? Correct.

[Amanda Seals]

And so I do not believe they will succeed. But that's what I. That's what they're doing.

[Deontay]

And historically, the. The odds aren't in their favor either. But I was having this conversation with these young men and they, like, you know, they're trying to wrap their minds around gentrification because they're like 13, 14, 15. And so what the thing that they're saying is, what we hear a lot of typical young men say is like, we like, I'm poor, I don't know, my father type shit. My mom working two jobs and she's stressed out. I'm the oldest boy, and I need to, like, help her. So, yeah, like, I be breaking in cars and, you know, I be selling little drugs on the side and shit. But I have aspirations to do something greater than this. Like, I know what I'm doing is wrong, but it's the only thing that I see myself doing right now in order to help my mom out with this situation. Like, of survival. Correct. But he was like, also too. Every year they raise the rent. So it's like, I don't even know if we're gonna be able to afford to live here next year type shit. So we having this conversation and my explanation to them is like, you didn't create these circumstances. Right. The only thing that you can do to help change your circumstances is to have the information and the education about what got you to this situation here. And the whole thing is this. There are people out here with money that have time.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes.

[Deontay]

So they live in decade. They live decade to decade.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes.

[Deontay]

With their planning. So the situation you're in now was planned before you were even born.

[Amanda Seals]

There it is.

[Deontay]

You having to survive. You live day to day. These live decade to decade with their planning.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes.

[Deontay]

And their money does all the planning for them. And if they find the right mouthpiece to regurgitate Talking points that are not only divisive, but charismatic and engaging and bold enough to, like, deny facts, bold enough to, like, push an ideology through a religion, bold enough to know all these racist dog whistles. They will fund them.

[Amanda Seals]

Absolutely.

[Deontay]

And bankrolling them is literally nothing because these are also not the smartest people in the world. And they not. Like, they don't come from these extremely wealthy families. These are Middle American college dropout idiots. For the most part.

[Amanda Seals]

It can be used.

[Deontay]

That can be used. And the. And by propping them up, of course, capitalism is like an incentive. Absolutely. Now. Now they can not only afford, like, certain things that ideologically make them think they're better than their counterparts to begin with. Period. Right. If I already think I'm better than you by virtue of my skin color, me being bankrolled and having money, we're off to the races. You. You quite literally can't say to me, even if you have more money and more education than me, because the virtuous thing is that I was born better than you, that that is the ideology.

[Amanda Seals]

And then they throw God.

[Deontay]

Yeah, because once we. Because once we make my superiority divine.

[Amanda Seals]

Baby.

[Deontay]

I don't want to hear. You know what I'm saying? Then you can. Then you can get, like, Charlie Kirk. They can call a Jasmine Crockett a.

[Amanda Seals]

And then you can eulogize him by saying he was a deeply committed to faith, man of God.

[Deontay]

Okay, yeah. So. So then we'll back this up with the Christian conservative on both sides, the white and the black. Now, now, his death is divine, but also his party can use him. The party that he represents in the ideology can martyr him. And we're going to circulate these videos over and over again. And then you can even have somebody like Jasmine Crockett tweet out about political violence. She did not swear to God. You know what? I commented.

[Amanda Seals]

Are you serious?

[Deontay]

I got it right here. Let's see.

[Amanda Seals]

Come on, man. Why doesn't anybody have a goddamn maybe? Okay, maybe I'm bugging.

[Deontay]

Okay, Today. Today's act of political violence in Utah against Charleston.

[Amanda Seals]

Why is it political violence? Okay, wait, wait, wait. No, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me say it while it's my.

[Deontay]

Because this is a script. Okay, we know it's a script. Let me read it, and then you can get your shit off. Today's act of political violence in Utah against Charlie Kirk is absolutely disgusting and unacceptable. We don't have to agree on everything, but we should all agree on this. Political violence is wrong and has no place in our democracy.

[Amanda Seals]

Jasmine, are you fucking serious? Know that you're seeing this clip because someone on your team is going to send it to you.

[Deontay]

You know what I said. One comment, two words. Check. Clear.

[Amanda Seals]

So a lot of people's gripe with me is Amanda always has a problem. One, it's because Amanda is not able to ignore problems when she sees them. And if you haven't noticed, there's always a God dang problem. Okay? The other part of that, though, is I have a problem with Democrats, largely in part because I feel like I was used, like every other black woman, to continue to perpetuate this entity that has actually perpetuated a passivity that has prevented us from being resistant spiders for. For our own actual liberation, our freedom on an economic level, on an education level, on a political level, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. When you see Democrats capitulating to the framing of this political violence, you are seeing them align with fascism because this is not an example of political violence. We do not know why he was murdered. We do not have a manifesto. We do not have somebody that has been taken into custody and said, I murked him because I didn't like his point of view. All we have seen is rhetoric that has been pushed through by the president and media as manufactured consent to now suppress any type of dissent of the government. And the Democrats are the government. And if you all will not understand that, you will never move past where we are Democrats, Republicans are the government. George Jackson very notably said, I'm paraphrasing. If we're trying to win in the same political system that's holding us back, we are now the political system. We cannot engage. And it is shameful that she did that. It is shameful that Barack Obama, that Gavin Newsom, that any of them are framing this as political violence. It is not political violence. This is somebody who was in a public. I mean, who was in the setting.

[Deontay]

And got murked, okay? But this is political violence to them. But Israel has a right to defend itself 1000%. And that what they are doing to the people of Palestine is.

[Amanda Seals]

It is political violence without question. And Jasmine has been supportive of that because she has been supportive of the funding. And that is why I had to stop being cool with her. We had started to form a friendship, and I had to pull back because I wasn't seeing her say anything in alignment with the very few individuals in Congress who were actively saying, this is unacceptable. And genocide is a bottom line. It is a red line. And I know there's going to be listeners on here who are like, damn, here we go talk about the Palestin again, or here we go talking about the genocide again. And I want y' all to know that they're money laundering your tax dollars.

[Deontay]

To make very, very clear, to create a. A white utopia.

[Amanda Seals]

That's it. They're money laundering our tax dollars. And I think that.

[Deontay]

People of Gaza, when we see them deploy troops in.

[Amanda Seals]

D.C. they're doing the same thing. And when you study it, I don't know how I've seen black people actively, earnestly say it's not gonna happen to us. I genuinely don't get it.

[Deontay]

I don't know what country these niggas are from.

[Amanda Seals]

I don't.

[Deontay]

But you cannot quote the Panthers when the Panthers were in Palestine sitting down with them.

[Amanda Seals]

You can't.

[Deontay]

In solidarity. So.

[Amanda Seals]

But also, let's take it back to what you said. This country was built on a blueprint of free labor. In order for them to enact that free labor, it was through political violence.

[Deontay]

Political violence. And also now even more, you know, so when we start talking about deontay.

[Amanda Seals]

God damn it, that pissed me the fuck off.

[Deontay]

Yeah, so. So. So now when we start talking about the loophole in the 13th Amendment, which is, okay, we can't legally have slaves, but we could funnel you into the system of slavery. Correct. Which is the Department of Corrections.

[Amanda Seals]

Well, there's a very important nuance that took place at the abolition of slavery in the law and the big argument between all the white men in Congress because, remember, Republicans and Democrats have never been, oh, we're for blacks and we're for whites. And that's a misnomer. Whether it's the 65 Democrats and Republican flip or not, that they've never been about equality. That was never the goal. So I want to start there. But the big. The big beef, Deontay, was is y' all trying to say black people are equal to white people.

[Deontay]

Bingo.

[Amanda Seals]

And they were like, we're not going to allow for the 13th Amendment, which abolishes slavery. We're not going to allow it to pass. If you're trying to say black people and white people are equal. And so the. The nuance that was written in. Written in was their equal in the eyes of the law, which continues.

[Deontay]

So if you break the law.

[Amanda Seals]

There you go.

[Deontay]

Okay, so then also curfews, black laws, black black codes, vagrancy laws, littering. It, it, it. So it's all. And so you said something interesting on your live yesterday that we're In a time loop. I only saw a clip of this. I didn't see it live. So can you kind of explain to me because you've said it and now you've had some time away from it and I'm sure you've processed and thought about this since you said it, because I think you said something about like, somebody out there understands space time continuums.

[Amanda Seals]

I'm a nigga that had to watch 10 times before I was like, yeah.

[Deontay]

Yeah, yeah, nah, see, And I'm. I'm the opposite. After twice, if I don't understand, it's like, hey, some things, you know what I'm saying?

[Amanda Seals]

I let that go.

[Deontay]

Had to let it go with me in mind. I tell you that.

[Amanda Seals]

Deontay, did you know you are delightful. Deontay, did people tell you that you are delightful? I just want you to know that you're a delightful black men.

[Deontay]

I appreciate you. Thank you so much.

[Amanda Seals]

You're welcome. So here's the thing. I still don't understand. Yeah, but basically, you know, there's a saying that says history doesn't repeat itself. It rhymes. And I've been thinking a lot about cycles, right? And the reality that, like there is. I can't think of a version of a cycle that doesn't cause disruption, right? So whether it's in the ground, if you do something over and over again, right, like it's going to create a groove, an itch. If you do something in the air, it's going to move the particles in a particular way, right? So there's no version of a cycle that does not create some level of disturbance. When we look at the cycles that the United States has gone through repeatedly, it is all cycle of like fighting for rights that should already be. That should or that are already apparent. So in this, again, this is a cursory theory I'm working, but we are in a repeat of the cycle of the civil rights movement. Except it's a flipped mirror. And the mirror is that the civil rights movement was the culmination of a fight to achieve rights that were already promised to black people. A lot of people think the civil rights movement was like two years. No, the civil rights movement started immediately after we saw Plessy versus Ferguson. You know, once we saw the, the, the Supreme Court say, I know y' all pass these amendments and, but you can't protect black people. It's going to be the states, they're going to have the right to do it. And then you saw all the states hold back all the rights and say, Nope. Separate but equal. No, no, no, no. So then black people started the civil rights movement. We are now now seeing the flip of that. Like how I said after, Immediately after the 65 Voting Rights act, they white. We are in the mirror where white people are now fighting for rights that they're already promised. And we are now here again. But again, cycles always cause disturbance. So even though we're here again, it's not like it's the reset of a loop. There has already been displacement and disturbance, and much of that displacement and disturbance has been discussed by you saying how, like, there are people who are now willingly in alignment with this, not just for money, but, like, ideologically.

[Deontay]

Right. And so the original. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So. So we've seen like, nicks have like fully, like, transmuted. It's gone from like this thing of, like, this is assimilations. This is my.

[Amanda Seals]

Can I say one thing? Can I say one thing? The reason why this is. Analysis is relevant is because like Deontay said earlier when you were like, these folks is thinking in decades. When we're thinking like day to day, we are so often in a reactionary space, we are not thinking ahead because a lot of times we have the luxury to. And I think as much as. And I think, you know, even though Du Bois had a eugenicness that was not cool, there is something valid to the concept of if you have the privilege to think without having to hustle.

[Deontay]

Yeah.

[Amanda Seals]

You better be thinking 10 steps ahead using the knowledge that's already here. And that's why I do the work that I do.

[Deontay]

And you speak, you speak to that. And also, like the Du Bois, like the double consciousness. I'm in a place where I'm. I'm thinking about everything you're saying. And there's a couple of time periods that stick out. So we first get the first black code, so to speak, like 1865. Right. Then we get the. The Pullman Porter. Sprite. Sprite Strike, 1890. So now we're looking at like, labor laws.

[Amanda Seals]

Yep, yep.

[Deontay]

That we're also seeing very, very prevalent right now in the technological revolution. AI.

[Amanda Seals]

Absolutely. That's a great addition to that analysis. I didn't even think about that. Thank you.

[Deontay]

So we're. We're at a turning point there where we're going to start people seeing people fight for labor laws, probably some universal basic income, X, Y and Z. Right. But we also are fighting against these first black codes that pop up upon abolition of slavery on paper. Right. So now that we're going to see ice Hitting the street, kidnapping people, things like that, where basically your existence is illegal. If you're a brown person, your existence is illegal, and you're subject to being considered an illegal alien. In this country, black people, time and time again throughout our history in this country, our skin is the indictment.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes.

[Deontay]

So we're going to start to see those black codes and those things in effect simultaneously.

[Amanda Seals]

Oh, SCOTUS just passed. Profiling is cool. I mean, they didn't pass it, but they made a brief.

[Deontay]

But. But also too. But. But the. The. The thing is, is, like, when it comes to him, his. His approval of something is law to them, like to. To his constituents. Right. To the people who believe in his ideology.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes.

[Deontay]

So.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes.

[Deontay]

So we have ICE reflecting on history, back into black codes, back into labor strikes. Right. Then the blueprint of, like you say, the Third Reich, 1930s to mid-40s. Then the inverse of civil rights.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes, yes.

[Deontay]

50S, 60s, mid-70s. My thing is, what is this? Because we also have, like, a silent epidemic of fentanyl. Like just killing people.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, just.

[Deontay]

No, more like addiction epidemic. Just.

[Amanda Seals]

Right. It's like. Just takes you out.

[Deontay]

Just takes you straight out. So then global political violence, Sudan. Global political violence, Congo. Global political violence, Palestine. So it. It for somebody that is extremely aware, like in the sense that me and you are. And can pull on these historical facts that are playing on a loop. And then to be up against people who literally don't care about facts, don't care about history, are perpetual victims are narcissistic in their ideology and endeavors and. And in their existence of how they live, in contrast to anybody who isn't straight and white or Christian or whatever. How does. How does. Like, how do you even begin to have the conversation with somebody about being proactive and. And you know that the thing that we're going to always be up against is, well, y' all are talking about all the problems, but what are the solutions when they don't want to acknowledge any of the issues at hand at all unless it supports whatever their ideology is. And a lot of times their ideology, if it doesn't directly benefit them from being white, if they're black. Their ideology is all about cooning and assimilation for survival.

[Amanda Seals]

I don't think that's who we should be talking to. I'm. I'm.

[Deontay]

I'm in agreeance with you. I only want to be discussing these things in. Honestly, kind of like a real life.

[Amanda Seals]

Well, I think. But I think there's a spectrum. Right. Like what you're. Like, we're on the ends of a spectrum like you and I are on one end, that mosquito was in the middle, there's another, you know, and those people that you just named are on the other end of that spectrum. But in the middle of that, to me, what is, what is actually more frustrating is the people who don't think they are that, but are still employing the practices of willful ignorance, of contrarianism, of misogyny, etc. That prevents them from actually fighting that. So, like, I see so many black folks, for instance, who consider themselves to be like pro black, who consider themselves to be down, who consider themselves to be informed. However, their knowledge is very, very surface and it has typically only been provided to them by resources that we know are controlled propaganda. So, like, if your source point from your information is the news. Right?

[Deontay]

Yeah.

[Amanda Seals]

That's just not gonna give you enough to have a truly grounded, rooted analysis of where we really are. And you can't find a solution without doing that. So I feel like I'm arguing a lot of time with black people who love black people as much as I do, with no historical context and no analysis based.

[Deontay]

Right.

[Amanda Seals]

And so now we're arguing with each other instead of being able to say, oh, tell me more about how you got to this analysis. Right. And that, I think is a result of so much mainstream media and social media encouraging toxicity as a method to exist in. So, like, when I did, to bring us full circle, when I did the Jubilee thing, I walked into that room and so many people who knew I was doing it were like, murder them, like, annihilate them. And when I got in that room, that wasn't the directive that came over me. That was not the signal that I downloaded from, from the spirit. It was really, oh, I need to educate.

[Deontay]

Right?

[Amanda Seals]

Like, I have to be in this space in love. And these people may not be, but that's how I have to be.

[Deontay]

Well, the thing is too, is like, okay, if we are going to engage in a debate, then I have to operate on the basis of what it is.

[Amanda Seals]

Deontay. It's also not really a debate. Like, debates have rules. You know what I'm saying? Like, debates have etiquette.

[Deontay]

Like debating, right?

[Amanda Seals]

This is running their mouth. And I had to at one point be like, hey, hey, hey, hey. I'm not gonna do this if the rules are just. They can talk over me and lie. Like, that's not what I came here.

[Deontay]

To do for sure. So. And like, like that's what I was going to get to, though. I think that you engaged in it from an academic perspective. Like, there are kind of rules of engagement and debate, and the basis of it is intellectualism. Like, it, it is. Yes, it is intellectual. So in, in a, in a formal debate setting, facts are the whole thing.

[Amanda Seals]

That's, that's literally it.

[Deontay]

Yeah. The more the, the, the crazier thing is, is there is, there is a, there is an like X factor of charisma, right?

[Amanda Seals]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Deontay]

There is an X factor of like just being able. Like, public speaking is a perfection performance. Like, you have to. You know what I'm saying? It's a performance art for sure.

[Amanda Seals]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Deontay]

But the more informed person and the person who can carry that information over better. What's up, baby? The person. Dang, you can't be my baby. Too old for that now.

[Amanda Seals]

But is that your son?

[Deontay]

Yeah.

[Amanda Seals]

What's up, baby?

[Deontay]

He'll be 14 and 13 days, so.

[Amanda Seals]

Wow, Congrats.

[Deontay]

Yeah, thank you. So the thing is, is if we, if this is based on intellect, right now you go into a room like Jubilee, where this is like content.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes.

[Deontay]

But it's less about the intellect and more about the clicks and engagement facts. Now I'm, I'm saying that to, to make a point.

[Amanda Seals]

Okay. Okay.

[Deontay]

We've, we've gone away from a pure intellectual exchange of information to contrarianism.

[Amanda Seals]

Yep, Yep.

[Deontay]

Via rage bait.

[Amanda Seals]

Yep, yep.

[Deontay]

So if this is an effective enough grift to get me engagement, this can possibly create a career path for me which we have seen create the careers of the likes of Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro.

[Amanda Seals]

So there was a on there who told me I was acting like an animal and I had him removed.

[Deontay]

Which one was this?

[Amanda Seals]

I'm not even gonna tell you because I purposely, I made it abundantly clear that his, his segment was not allowed to be included because I know that it was for that purpose.

[Deontay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so when I saw Matt nuclear, I knew what he was there for.

[Amanda Seals]

Same you saw me say, are you accent.

[Deontay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So his whole thing was I need to be here so that I can create. Because it's not even politics. I, I, I don't, I don't like this.

[Amanda Seals]

Nope.

[Deontay]

I don't like this. I don't like this. I don't like this shit of like. This is a political analysis, nigga. This is just contrarianism and rage baiting. You are literally, you are literally just presenting to people.

[Amanda Seals]

Absolutely.

[Deontay]

And misinformation. You can't call a platform built off of misinformation a political analysis. That's just not what it is. So.

[Amanda Seals]

But that's what they're doing. And by the way, that's what the Democrats are doing when they support this, when they use that same language, they actually are purporting that you're giving way.

[Deontay]

You'Re giving credence to this as a political ideology. This. If, if, if that's the case, then David Duke was a great politician.

[Amanda Seals]

Absolutely. And they would not deny that.

[Deontay]

Actually, probably not. So there is a few people that stuck out to me, some more than others. The one guy that it's all brown and he has the frames, and he kind of like Jordan Peele. Yeah, yeah, yeah, him. So he got to a point where he was like, fuck, I've asked too many questions. I've tried to understand. I've tried to understand. And I realized, like, he, he's smart enough to realize, like, oh, whatever I'm gonna say to this is bullshit.

[Amanda Seals]

Well, so you know that is a debate tactic, right? To get people on their heels by you being the one asking the questions. And when you caught him immediately and.

[Deontay]

You could tell he was kind of up because he was like, damn, within five seconds.

[Amanda Seals]

So you know what he didn't think was. So first of all, I, I, from day one, told Jubilee, I'm coming into this as one black radical versus 20 black conservatives. It was not brought to my attention until the fourth young lady caught up there to talk to me. Well, the fourth person. So she was the second young lady, she came up there, they cut it, but she was like, just so you know, they keep calling you a liberal because that's what they told us you were. So they were prepped with.

[Deontay]

To argue with the liberal.

[Amanda Seals]

To argue with the liberal. Now they don't know that it's me until I walk in the room. So when I walked in the room, I heard a couple.

[Deontay]

Oh, because they knew they was in for a long day. Because. Because the thing is, no matter what you want to say, if I have my master's in African American studies, right? If I have accolades to back this thing up, and an entire career in political analysis and activism, nigga, you kind of can't fuck with me now. Especially if the basis of your ideology isn't fact based. If it all is based on a fallacy experience. And also, like, this is a. This is not like some credible yet. I mean, like, this is a content creation center.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, yeah. Like we're not at the Oxford.

[Deontay]

Yeah. You dig what I'm saying? The most renowned black conservatives at all. Because the thing is, when I Say.

[Amanda Seals]

Black conservative is an oxymoron.

[Deontay]

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. So that within itself is just like what the ever. The thing is, it's like I, I spend a lot of time, you know, when I'm. When I'm in like a little free space and I want to know more. I actually do engage content wise with like conservative right wing shit just to see like what are they talking about? About. Because I don't want to be in this echo chamber of like just hearing things that I already agree with. I need to see what people are saying. And so like when I'm, when 2018, when like Candace Owens was at her like absolute peak and I was like, oh, I see what she is. She's very clearly like very smart. But I can see how this works for her as a grift.

[Amanda Seals]

How are we defining smart?

[Deontay]

She presents as very intelligent. Let me say that. I would say, I would say more so presents as. Does that make sense?

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Deontay]

Because I mean, because it's an aesthetic. Yeah, yeah. Because the rhetoric is not. It's just like, it's this fast talk. It's the Ben Shapiro shit. Just the fast talking. I already have my talking points. I'm not going to like. I can't capitulate to your point. I'm not. It's just going to be a whole bunch of that. Right. So I would say presents as intelligent. Right. So like ever since then I always knew, like, oh, okay, these are their talking points. Like it's not a lot of it all kind of like facts. It's like, it's like the R B.

[Amanda Seals]

Singers of this era. There's four notes and they're gonna give you them four notes four different ways. Eight different way. 12 different way. 24, yeah.

[Deontay]

R4, bar 8, bar 12, bar 16. You get the four notes, right? So I was like, oh, this is like not very. This is not hard to understand. This is also why it works. Because the people they are like influencing are not looking for anything complex and they are not looking for anything that has a root network. So like the thing, the way that I look at things is like branches. It's a, it's a network. It's a system. One thing, it's a cause and effect. Cause and effect.

[Amanda Seals]

And then you keep going. Yes, you keep going.

[Deontay]

Right. And it's not this rabbit hole that people just think like things are connected.

[Amanda Seals]

You explore.

[Deontay]

Yeah, explore, right. So you could go through and listen to all of their talking points. And it's black on black crime, slavery, absentee fathers.

[Amanda Seals]

I Was gonna say, that's a hit record for them.

[Deontay]

Oh, oh, they had all the greatest hits. They had it queued up. And I was like, if there is no, like, context, if there is no historical context, if there is no context for cause and effect, if you telling me redlining isn't a real thing, it's just like, yeah, there's no, there's no conversation to be had. Even with the young lady from Chicago. It's like, my father was murdered.

[Amanda Seals]

And it's like, okay, she called her mother's cousin. Not her cousin. She was like, my cousin. I mean, my mother's cousin. So. But here's the, here's the real take away deontay. The real takeaway for me is that. So I had a lot of people asking me, oh, do you feel like you convinced any of them? Do you feel like you changed any of their minds? That is not the goal of debate. The goal of debate is not to convince the other person. The goal of debate is to. To stand on and defend your side of the debate in such a way that you are more. You're basically dispelling the burden of proof more than the other person.

[Deontay]

Correct.

[Amanda Seals]

That is the point of debate. And so you're not debating for engagement with the other person. You're in get. You're debating as a platform of information presentation for an audience.

[Deontay]

So any audience that's the people that are watching. It's not about.

[Amanda Seals]

It's not about the people I'm debating. So that's when I saw people saying, like, you know, I mean, this wasn't even. This is a waste of Amanda Seals's time because, I mean, she wasn't even debating smart people. You're missing the point and you're actually demonstrating a lack of depth on what I'm doing. I am using a platform that has become notable to present a very particular conversation that needs to happen in a space where it will get high volume and doing so in a manner grounded and educated. I didn't, I didn't partake in the goal of creating content like you were talking about. You know, I'm saying, like, I didn't come there with the mindset of, like, I'm gonna do sound bites and I'm gonna really show out here, even though there were people that told me that that's what I should do. No, this is about to be boring. I want this to be for y' all to watch.

[Deontay]

Bites in and of itself were based in, like, irrefutable facts and things that you can research and look up. And you should. And best thing that I noticed about that entire platform is that they do do fact checks.

[Amanda Seals]

Which people saying the fact checks were proving her wrong. No, they were not.

[Deontay]

Actually. They were. A lot of times they were backing you up. But so, so this, there's also this thing of like, I'm going to go into this as a conservative and Amanda is already wrong in my eyes. There's nothing she can do or say. Right.

[Amanda Seals]

Our ideologies.

[Deontay]

So, but, but just like anything else, and like you said earlier, there's a spectrum and there is, there's rooted systems of thought. Right. There's rooted schools of thought here. And I wanna, I hate to say the goal, but the goal is to figure out how to influence all these people that are in the middle that are like, that have unfounded ideologies. Right. Like somebody, people call me, have called me liberals and liberal. This is what I tell people all the time, full stop. My ideology is the liberation of black people.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, yeah. That's not liberal.

[Deontay]

It's not. And so then it's, I've been called a black nationalist and I've been called a multitude of things and I say liberation of black people and however we can get there and then, and then, and also to liberate the minds of anybody, anybody in earshot or eye view, like if you can see me and you can hear me, just do that. Because the amount of non black people that reach out to me because they understand how what I'm saying also applies to their said group, given that they don't deny imperialist systems. Like I would say the biggest form of self hatred that kept coming up. Black people hate themselves. Biggest form of self hatred to me is the denial of an imperialist system.

[Amanda Seals]

1,000%. Yes.

[Deontay]

Yeah.

[Amanda Seals]

The failure to acknowledge the villain while continuing to only blame a victim is of hatred.

[Deontay]

Yeah. Okay. So if you're in, if you're a henchman, right, Your boss doesn't look like you, the other henchmen don't look like you, but for some reason all the people that you're taking out do you ask yourself.

[Amanda Seals]

It's like when you look at certain people's pages and you're like, you don't realize that everybody in your comments is a cracker. Oh, well, you don't realize that everybody agreeing with you don't look like you.

[Deontay]

So.

[Amanda Seals]

That should tell you that you on the wrong page. Playboy and girls and non binaries.

[Deontay]

I, I just, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm in a place where it's like we, we are entering a space where we're kind of past, like in, in my mind, we're past the grift because to.

[Amanda Seals]

Me, because it's real consequences.

[Deontay]

Real consequences in like the grift and the money don't matter no more. You really, on some. You have picked a side type shit.

[Amanda Seals]

Oh, of course. Yeah. We're, we're beyond a grift when, when you're literally being used to go to Palestine and make videos that aid is not being sent in because of the un. When that's just simply not true. This is no longer a grift. Like, you are a minion of, like, that's like devils, you know, I mean, like, you're, you're, you're in the mix of it all. Well, but this is, but this is why we come back to capitalism, because this still gets many people off the hook with, well, they got to get a bag. You know, they're just getting the bag. You know, they got to get the dollar somehow. Etc. And that is the excuse that we have been indoctrinated to believe is a sufficient reason and explanation to. For allowing yourself to be a tool of your own people's destruction.

[Deontay]

So there's a funny thing that happens where everything is about a bag until the bag is too big. Now, black people do this to each other all the time. Go get your bag, go get your money. Right? And when that means you're 100,000 there, we're good. When that means you and that you're in a millionaire status and our lives don't have any relativity or crossover at all anymore. Now this nigga sold his soul to the devil.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes. So, well, people, like, people undermine my point of view on a regular basis, saying like, well, you can't talk because you have money. And it's like, well, first of all, I didn't always have money. And I, I honestly feel like if I have money, I should be talking the most because I have.

[Deontay]

Isn't that what y'. All. But also, if you said nothing, of course, then your platform, you. Then you don't use your platform. So we have to also understand that there's, there's an entire sector of people that it will never be good enough for. They just.

[Amanda Seals]

In nine minutes.

[Deontay]

Okay. Yeah, that's great. So there's going to be people that black people are always just going to be at fault and flawed. Right. I wanted to say this about Charlie Kirk and like, this would be like my closing statement about that whole thing.

[Amanda Seals]

Okay.

[Deontay]

On Twitter, Benjamin Netanyahu sent prayers up for Charlie Kirk and his family. So.

[Amanda Seals]

So, like, if you doing the same thing as him, you know what I'm saying? You not on the right. You not that whole right side of history. You're on the wrong side.

[Deontay]

Yeah. Because if Hitler is basically thoughts and prayers.

[Amanda Seals]

Baby. I don't want these keys.

[Deontay]

No. Like, I'm really sending a personal shout out to the business. Yeah, yeah, I got you.

[Amanda Seals]

Someone said to me, someone said. And I thought this was a really dope quote. I don't know who the source of it is, but they said, I. I'm unbothered by your booze because I see what you cheer for.

[Deontay]

Yeah. That's a quote from Rick and Morty.

[Amanda Seals]

Is it?

[Deontay]

Yeah. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rick was being arrested for something. He was like, oh, I don't care about your booze. I've seen you what you cheer for. It's just real. Rick and Morty's a.

[Amanda Seals]

That was like Oscar Wilde.

[Deontay]

No. I want to use our last eight minutes wisely. I didn't announce to my Patreon that you were coming, so they do have some questions.

[Amanda Seals]

Oh, cool.

[Deontay]

What was your political stance last. During the last presidential election knowing the reality of a two party system?

[Amanda Seals]

System. My political stance during the last election knowing the reality of a two party system was that many people were incredibly demoralized and disenchanted with the two party system. So they would either participate by voting for a third party option, whether it's PSL or working families or, I mean, not working families or. Come on.

[Deontay]

Yeah.

[Amanda Seals]

Or they would not participate at all. At all. And so my political stance was the Democrats then need to engage those who would be in that group if they want to win. And I get really misnomered and misrepresented as telling people not to vote for Kamala Harris, which I actively never did because I don't endorse anyone. So I definitely didn't tell people. I told people not to vote for Trump. I actively said that. But what I did say was that if Kamala and the Democrats want to win, they need to engage the left. And people felt that me having critique of that. Me. People felt that me being frustrated with her engaging with the right, with her stumping with this, you know, Dick Cheney's daughter, etc. People felt that my criticism of that was more about. They felt that my criticism that. Of that was disengaging voters when. When. When in actuality, my criticism of that is meant to engage Democrats in behaving differently. And what People fail to realize is these folks are watching us. They are actually seeing what we say. I was summoned by Kamala Harris when I was at Bloody Sunday in Alabama because she saw me and this is before she was a candidate, but she's seen my videos where I was being critical of how she was showing up as a black woman in this presidential, in this vice presidential position telling immigrants not to come, saying that the United States isn't racist. These types of behaviors I felt were antithetical to why I supported the necessity for a black woman to be in that position. So that was my political position.

[Deontay]

Okay. Which for whatever reason, critique is.

[Amanda Seals]

Well, let me tell you, Deontay, it got missed. It got. Well, we've seen people have taken money, right? So we know that. We know people have taken money to create content. And it was no mystery that there was a concerted effort to discredit my voice and to use other black influencer. I don't say other because I'm not an influencer, but to use black influencers to do so.

[Deontay]

More of a. You are a radical, but you're also very extremely educated in your stance. So the thing is, is like you're not disengaging voters. You're trying to provide.

[Amanda Seals]

You're trying to engage better.

[Deontay]

Better engage with the left. Yeah.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes, yes. That's literally what I was trying to do. Because I don't believe in manipulating voters, which is what a lot of the people who were being used by the Democrats were participating in. And I had been used in that way in 2020where it's like, no, don't tell people to ask for what they want, to demand reparations, etc. Just tell them that they have no choice but to do this and don't ask questions that seemed logical at the time. It was illogical to have to do that again because why are we in the same situation again? Why were we in a crisis before and now we're in the same crisis? That means that you all like this. I've been with whack before. When you stay in it, it's because you like it. There's only victims and volunteers.

[Deontay]

So.

[Amanda Seals]

And wait, let me correct that. Not abusive situations, because there's a very real thing about.

[Deontay]

Yeah, yes.

[Amanda Seals]

So let me just. Before, before anyone takes that little piece of this interview and is like.

[Deontay]

The political stage.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes. I just say that to say. I just say that to say that what I wanted to do was engage with the left with. Not even the left with. Engage with Democrats in a way that had respect for them differently than how the Republicans engage with their constituency, which is we're just gonna lie to you and we're gonna play on your emotions to convince you to do whatever we ask you to do. And I thought that that was manipulative and dishonest and I didn't want to be a part of that. And my messaging was co opted by individuals who felt fine doing that.

[Deontay]

Understood. Well, I mean, we only got two minutes left, so.

[Amanda Seals]

No, keep going. Let's get the questions.

[Deontay]

Okay.

[Amanda Seals]

I have therapy. We have a little bit time.

[Deontay]

All right, I will. We'll close it out with one more.

[Amanda Seals]

How many. How many questions do you have?

[Deontay]

It was only. It was five.

[Amanda Seals]

We'll do three.

[Deontay]

Okay. You always show up with a high level of folks. What the.

[Amanda Seals]

The high level of what?

[Deontay]

I'm sorry, I was getting a call.

[Amanda Seals]

Oh, sorry. Okay.

[Deontay]

No, that's not on you. Okay. It says you always show up with such a high level of focus and purpose. What are some of the most effective forms of self care that you practice?

[Amanda Seals]

I rest. I get a good night's sleep. I go to bed between 10:30 and 11:00'. Clock. I'm surrounded by animals and nature, and I make a point to enjoy them and not take them for granted. So I know that may seem kind of like. What do you mean? But like, for instance, today, like, my dog got the Zoomies. And I could have just been like, all right, nigga, and kept it moving, but instead I. I joined in with the Zoomies.

[Deontay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Seals]

And those little moments may seem kind of like, you know, perfunctory, but they really do add to your, like, shot of serotonin, particularly when you're so attached to this phone that's doing that. You got to get it from, like, natural places, right? People from my space, that's like a real form of self care. I remove people from my space like, I remove people from my space that simply aren't vibrationally aligned with me. And what I mean by that is I feel like a lot of people that I was around did not actually know me and didn't actually understand me. And the more that I knew me and understood me, the less I felt inclined to have to mold myself for their, you know, understanding. One of the easiest ways to do this is to just be vulnerable with somebody and see how they respond to it. And if they respond defensively or they respond in a way that makes you feel like you have to defend your vulnerability. They are not. They are not a safe space person. It doesn't Mean you necessarily have to cut them off, but it means like, you know, you got to shift their positioning. So like things like this have been self care also. Matcha ice cream.

[Deontay]

Hold on the two together.

[Amanda Seals]

Haagen Dazs. Matcha ice cream. I'll eat a pint for dinner. Which is how I. Which is why I'm a large insurance now.

[Deontay]

That's why you think.

[Amanda Seals]

Yep, yep. And you know what the other floor in self care is? I finally decided that I needed to get on medication to regulate and I fought that for a long time because of big pharma and because, you know, the west and western medicine.

[Deontay]

Yeah. What's up?

[Amanda Seals]

But I live in the West.

[Deontay]

Yeah.

[Amanda Seals]

And you know, and for what it's worth, I did everything in my power to fight it. I did the working out, I did the reading, I did the eating right. I did all the things and I still couldn't regulate. I was so deeply afflicted by the amount of demoralizing news and, and knowledge that was coming through me that I finally say, you know what, let me get on this Lexapro. And I take the lowest dose of Lexapro and I take it daily. And now I'm Lexapro, thick.

[Deontay]

Type. All right, all right, Ms. Seals, we got one more and then we'll close. What five books should one read to learn about being radical? What is your explanation of what it means to be radical during. To be a radical during the verses? Oh, okay. Your explanation of what it means to be a radical during the verses was spot on and also awesome way to distinguish oneself from a liberal. So they saying, you know, that you did a great job of distinguishing yourself liberal. But what are five books that one should read to learn about being a radical?

[Amanda Seals]

Blood in My Eye by George Jackson Asada. Her autobiography black. There you go. Black Power by Kwame Torre. And he co wrote it with somebody else. And I'm. I apologize for not being able to pull their name out the sky right now. I mean the concept of the black radical and black Marxism was created by Cedric, was like formalized by Cedric Robinson. And so you can read black Marxism and that gives you kind of just a more theory based conversation for it, so to speak. And then Freedom dreams by Robin D.G. kelly. The black radical imagination. And then the bonus, I would say, hold on, what's the name of her book? Test Rahel Test for Mariam has a book called Imagine Freedom. And you know, because I named a lot of names, like you know, names names. But we need to be bigging up and we need to be platforming and we need to be reading the minds of our current time. And she's one of. She's one of them. And you can also read Bruha Benjamin's book Imagination, and you can check her out on my podcast, where we talk about imagination as resistance. And Ruha Benjamin is the sister who did that. That commencement speech at Spelman when she famously said, black faces and black spaces will not save us type.

[Deontay]

Nah, I know exactly what you're talking about now.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, yeah.

[Deontay]

We back. I don't. Yeah. And I got my little board over here. I'm gonna pull it. I'm gonna pull a sound bite from your ass in here and put it on the soundboard. But thank you so much.

[Amanda Seals]

So how was it? How was your first virtual interview? I.

[Deontay]

With it? I mean, first of all. First of all, sending the bar very high.

[Amanda Seals]

You know what I'm saying?

[Deontay]

He said, hold on, Master Flex. You know, I got all type of. Over here. We got the fun Master Flex balls over here.

[Amanda Seals]

Master Flex night.

[Deontay]

If you in New York City right now.

[Amanda Seals]

All right, so that was the time. That was the time we're gonna let.

[Deontay]

You get the therapy. But thank you so much for taking the time. This was. I mean, this is gonna be. Points were made, laughs were had, and people leave with some education that they can go, you know, research and educate themselves on. So thank you. I know that you do your show.

[Amanda Seals]

Wait, I want to add one more book.

[Deontay]

What's up?

[Amanda Seals]

Because I made a point in the beginning about how we need to have our mental wellness, right? We need to have our spiritual wellness. And so I suggest that everybody read the book. Adult children of emotionally immature parents.

[Deontay]

Write that down.

[Amanda Seals]

Because for the most. For the. For the vast majority of us, that was simply just the reality of the era that our parents were in. They did not even get the opportunity, the time, the space to be emotionally mature. And we are a result of that. And it is our responsibility to do the due diligence to address the things that became that. That were. That came out of that. That impede us from being able to show up in our most. Our most connected and soulful selves.

[Deontay]

Absolutely.

[Amanda Seals]

That was a sub for you.

[Deontay]

Damn. All right, well, I mean, I wrote it down. I'm gonna go check it out. Hopefully they got the audiobook, because that's. I gotta put that junk on a 1.5 or two so I can really get through. You know what I'm saying? Thank you. So there. A lot of people don't know this Me and you know this in the midst of my working days, you was trying to get me on there on the Wednesdays. Has that ship stale?

[Amanda Seals]

No.

[Deontay]

Okay, well, I hit you up and.

[Amanda Seals]

Said, I now do the show on Wednesdays. Let me know when you around. Because this was like, I am unavailable. I have no time. I am simply just in. Able. Unable. I said, well, that's. You know what? That's a busy man.

[Deontay]

I did not say it like that.

[Amanda Seals]

He definitely said it like that. John, I'm sorry, I cannot accommodate this one day that you do interviews. I am a very important person.

[Deontay]

No, this was actually very early into people requesting me on interviews and I was still working 12 hours a day in a truck, so I could not accommodate on a Wednesday.

[Amanda Seals]

I wish you had said on Wednesdays I'd be driving my truck because I was like, oh. Because let me just tell you the. I'm not saying that this is you, but there is a cadre of quote unquote influencers. And there's a definite, like, there's a. What's. What I'm looking for. There's an energy of self value and worth that often comes off as like, you need me more than I need you. When really all I'm trying to do is build community.

[Deontay]

We're just trying to have a conversation.

[Amanda Seals]

All I'm trying to do is build community and to be quite honest, expose my audience to other voices than the ones that are constantly thrown in their face and presented as the be all, end all when they're actually just upholding establishment.

[Deontay]

I've started answering emails as myself. When I was first, like, doing this whole email thing, I was trying to guide.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, yeah. Like you then you need the team and you need this and you need that because you need to posture and you need to show up a certain way. And let me tell you something, brother, you're coming up in a time where that really, that's untoward, you know, because folks is really over this celebrity that.

[Deontay]

Ain'T even, like, who I am or how I represent myself publicly. So, like, I don't need to hide behind professionalism in a email. Like, people be emailing me. I'd be like, hell, no, I'm straight. Like, that's how I email back now. I'm just like, no, I'm straight. Like, no disregards, no, none of that. It's just like, still hit me up.

[Amanda Seals]

And I keep getting asked to do, like, because that's all they make now is propaganda. So they're always asking, like, are you available? What Are your avails play detective. Such and such, or to play, you know, FBI agent? Such and such. And I always respond. It's ACAB all day over here. I do not play law enforcement.

[Deontay]

There is no black radical cop.

[Amanda Seals]

No. Get out of here.

[Deontay]

All right. I mean, you could start your own, like, universe of black radical police. Austin Powers, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Like, fighting the power like a Shaft type.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, I see it, I see it, I see it, I see it. Okay. Are we still gonna do the live the day of?

[Deontay]

Yes, we can do that. We'll do that Tuesday because this will come out next Wednesday.

[Amanda Seals]

Okay. Because Wednesday I'm on. Well, so. So you are now available on Wednesdays.

[Deontay]

Yes, I am. I am.

[Amanda Seals]

Congrats. That's a big move.

[Deontay]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Amanda Seals]

Take care of yourself, though. You know, it's like. Because it can feel like if I don't do everything all the time, then I'm not going to get it done, and then I'm going to be the source of my own demise.

[Deontay]

I spun out all of August on that.

[Amanda Seals]

Okay. Yeah.

[Deontay]

Quite literally.

[Amanda Seals]

Okay, you're back.

[Deontay]

I said. I said this doesn't feel good. I don't like the way I'm talking to myself. Also, this isn't real.

[Amanda Seals]

Like, you're your boss.

[Deontay]

Like, this pressure that I'm putting on myself is not real, bro. No, this is all expectations that I've set for myself. And I don't have to do that because I didn't get here by doing that. So I'm not gonna just. I'm not gonna create a path forward. There's just.

[Amanda Seals]

And I will say that I do find fallacy when people say, like, I didn't get here doing that because it's like. Right. But once you get to a certain space, you do have to expand. And, like, when you, like, when you, like, like, what's required to be a parent, to be a parent is not what's required to make a baby.

[Deontay]

These are facts. So.

[Amanda Seals]

So there is expansion needed. But sometimes I think people do it in a way that.

[Deontay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not. I'm. First of all, I'm just not gonna, like, do, like, a full ethic and personality change in the course of six months like this. Exactly. And that's the thing I had to come to. And it's like, look, bro, my ethic is my ethic. The things that I've been doing well this far, we're going to keep those. The things that I feel Like I need to work on, we're going to work on those and we're not going to try to make it this drastic thing. It's just if I need delegation, I will figure out how to delegate. If I need help, I will ask for help. But I will not be packing my days up with like I'm doing three meetings this morning and then I have to, I have an appearance over here.

[Amanda Seals]

Like making a day or making like two days that are delegated, like meeting days and letting my agents know, this is when I had agents, but letting them know like I am available for meetings Mondays and Tuesdays, you know, 12 and three.

[Deontay]

Okay, that's smart.

[Amanda Seals]

I'm stealing that, you know, and letting them know, like that's what it is. And then I also built in Fridays are off. I am not available on Friday for nothing. Because even if it is an exception, people know that they can't just bring you anything. They gotta really think because the said Friday is off limit. So if we bring it to him, it's got to be something.

[Deontay]

Gotta be that thing, you know what I'm saying? Gotta be that man. You hear me?

[Amanda Seals]

So those boundaries really helped me. And then I also had to create the boundary of the end of the work day. I do that during COVID Yeah, I would just be like, oh, dope. That's good.

[Deontay]

Yeah, Thrice. So. Yeah. And my baby is seven, so you know, I get up and I take her to school. That's like one of the been of the things where I'm like, I get to take her to school is slick. You know what I'm saying? We get our little daddy daughter time.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes.

[Deontay]

Because the only one in elementary. So.

[Amanda Seals]

So you have a 7 year old, a 14 year old and an 11 year old. Nice.

[Deontay]

Yeah. This is the most headstrong person in this house. So it's like, it's basically me as a child. I just have to do it myself as an 11 year old.

[Amanda Seals]

So this is my last phrase that I will give you my last word. Be the person for him that you needed at 11. And reading that book will help you refine.

[Deontay]

I. I've been getting, I've been dipping and dabbing in books where it's like, I'm also kind of like, oh, this ain't really hitting me. Like I want it. Like I really need something that I can really latch on to when it comes to like books. And I haven't been finding that. So I've been like skimming. Skimming.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah.

[Deontay]

Chapter, chapter there, chapter here, chapter there. But that is something I'm really interested in. So I'm gonna take you up on that.

[Amanda Seals]

All right.

[Deontay]

And then I'll check in with you in like 90 days.

[Amanda Seals]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Deontay]

All right, thank you.

[Amanda Seals]

Tuesday.

[Deontay]

Next Tuesday. Yes. We will pin down the time because I have tennis. Yeah, I with that actually really with that. Really want black people in equipment sports. That's really my like next wave trades and equipment sports is like where I'm at with it right now.

[Amanda Seals]

So I'm out of pocket from 1:30 to 3:30.

[Deontay]

Oh, no. Well, see, I was thinking about something more along. Late afternoon, early evening.

[Amanda Seals]

Perfect.

[Deontay]

All right, cool. All right. Well, ladies and gentlemen, the iconic, the radical Amanda Seals.

[Amanda Seals]

See, I like that much better. I like that. This was a blast. Thanks for having me. And I.