Episode 88 - Grits, Eggs & JAAM Ft. The JAAM Podcast

Summary

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Grits and Eggs Podcast — Episode 88

Title: Grits, Eggs & JAAM (Ft. The JAAM Podcast)
Host: Deante’ Kyle
Guests: The JAAM Podcast Crew
Date: September 30, 2025

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Episode Overview

This lively and unfiltered episode of the Grits and Eggs Podcast brings Deante’ Kyle together with the four-member crew of the JAAM Podcast for a no-holds-barred conversation spanning Black culture, Atlanta and Chicago life, family roots, the realities of podcasting, generational experiences, and the aspirations of Black independent media. The show exudes camaraderie, raw honesty, and comedic energy, with memorable stories and deeper reflections on community and identity. Special focus is given to how the next generation is redefining both social media and Black media landscapes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Art of Game: Giving Knowledge, Black Media, and Collaboration

• [00:35]–[01:04]
  The group kicks off discussing whether giving away game (knowledge) is worthwhile because few will actually use it, but when it comes to Black independent media, sharing and collaboration are essential.

  “It's actually better if you do take it and run with it.” — [C, 00:57]

2. Food, Sushi, and Alien Conspiracies

• [01:45]–[05:21]
  The crew banters over sushi, wet markets, and the bizarre concept that fish might be "aliens." Eel reproductive mysteries and ocean conspiracies swirl into a hilarious group riff, segueing into stories about Atlanta's food scene and local markets.

  “Scientists have never seen eels collectively breeding... and that shit be happening in the Bermuda Triangle.” — [C, 03:41]
  “If you eat sushi, you're eating aliens.” — [A, 28:11]

3. Atlanta Life: History, Neighborhoods, & Police Culture

• [07:03]–[13:53]
  Guests recount visits to historic Atlanta sites, compare city layouts with Chicago, and break down Atlanta’s police zones, car culture (including souped-up GSP Camaros), and infamous units like the Red Dogs and Scorpion Unit.

  “Atlanta is an extremely Black city, but all of the surrounding cities are extremely Black... It’s odd. North is like... North Atlanta is white, but north suburbs are also white, and... west, south, and east suburbs [are] Black as hell." — [C, 13:18]

4. Policing in Atlanta & Chicago: Copaganda and Realities

• [14:01]–[18:52]
  The conversation delves into policing differences, propaganda like the show Cops, and childhood perceptions versus lived experiences with law enforcement.

  “Cops, as a concept, like Cops the show, is propaganda out the ass, bro.” — [B, 16:22]
  “That convinced a whole generation of kids to be cops.” — [B, 19:10]

5. Black Diaspora, Family, First Gen Experiences

• [33:41]–[44:07]
  Members of JAAM explore their Jamaican & Liberian roots, identity differences and similarities between Caribbean- and US-born Black people, and the global culture flow between Jamaica and Black America.

  “Outside of where you was born, what is the difference? ...That’s the point.” — [C, 37:52]
  “Jamaica was just a different stop on the slave trade. Everyone came from the same continent.” — [B, 39:28]

6. Style, Thrift, and Cultural Markers

• [28:20]–[32:00]
  The crew does a signature “fit check,” discussing favorite brands, thrifted finds, Coach accessories, and the cultural pride in unique style choices.

7. Generational Shifts & How the Crew Met

• [32:02]–[36:11]
  Ages and years of birth create playful divides. The group shares how their family connection was discovered at school—thanks to a “Jamaican mom interrogation”—and reflects on the experience of being first-generation Americans.

8. Jamaican Resourcefulness and Hood Survival Skills

• [44:16]–[47:05]
  Hilarious Jamaican family anecdotes highlight resourcefulness, from catching wild animals with rocks to the universal ability of “hood kids” to adapt and survive.

9. American vs. Jamaican/Black Global Pop Culture

• [49:59]–[54:12]
  How reggae (even Eddie Murphy’s track!) and rap mingle, the “becoming a Rasta” meme in US weed culture, and how Black American and Jamaican patois and style circulate globally.

10. On Being Black Creatives: Chicago vs. Atlanta

• [76:25]–[81:43]
  The guests talk about how Atlanta’s creative energy feels more open, supportive, and Black-centered compared to the more racially rigid, segregated scene in Chicago.

  “There's so much more creativity in Atlanta than Chicago... Even like the streets got a charm to them.” — [E, 77:06]

11. The Realities & Aspirations of Independent Black Media

• [94:43]–[114:49]
  The importance of authenticity on the mic, resisting becoming mere "products" for sponsorship, and a vision for Black-owned media and entertainment structures.
  Deante' gives crucial advice on branding, expanding formats, and never letting corporations define your narrative.

  “You're not a product, you're a person… so you can't sell yourself…” — [C, 113:53]

12. Building the JAM Brand & Staying Grounded

• [112:24]–[118:17]
  JAAM shares their collaborative approach, creative agency dreams, community ambitions, and how the reality of their rapid success sometimes still surprises them.

  “If we're good and the four of us are on the same wavelength… we could really run this [thing] and do whatever the fuck we want to do." — [E, 104:54]
  “The thing about content creation, social media is niche. So normally you only expressing one side of yourself… I was talking about everything. This is who I am.” — [C, 97:13]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Food, Culture & Conspiracies
  “If you really look at a fish… they have angler fish in the middle of that fucking ocean… I'm might not never eat sushi again.”— [B, 02:21/04:44]

• On Black Identity & Shared Culture
  “We got similar cuisines, we got similar cultures… if the music's different, it's still music… it's still even the people… it’s still gonna be rice and greens…” — [C, 37:15]

• On Law Enforcement & Copaganda
  “Cops, as a show, is propaganda out the ass, bro.” — [B, 16:22]

• On Podcasting & Authenticity
  “The problem with podcast land is … everyone is kind of like talking and trying to be a dickhead just to be a dickhead… as opposed to trying to lay out an argument and … get a point across.” — [B, 94:44]

• On Black Media & Independence
  “You are a Black media company… dictate the posture of it… I don’t gotta sit here and compromise my language, I’ma talk how I wanna talk, because the obvious part of it is people understand it.” — [C, 113:53]

• On Atlanta vs. Chicago
  “Being down here, even like the streets got a charm to them. It’s like, bro… control, chaos. That’s how it is.” — [E, 77:06]

• On Generational/Age Dynamics
  “It’s an intergenerational podcast… I can’t wait till the trace generation on us.” — [C, 32:26/32:40]

• On Success, Growth, & Staying Grounded
  “Because… if we’re good and the four of us are on the same wavelength… we could really run this shit and do whatever we want to do.” — [E, 104:54]

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Memorable Segments & Timestamps

• Black media game & collaboration: [00:35]–[01:04]
• Sushi as “alien food” & eel conspiracy: [02:18]–[04:55]
• Atlanta vs. Chicago, police culture: [07:03]–[13:53]
• Copaganda & “Cops” TV: [14:01]–[18:52]
• First gen Black American experiences, Jamaican/Caribbean kinship: [33:41]–[44:07]
• Fit check: [28:20]–[32:00]
• Outtakes on white people sports & recreation: [59:44]–[66:46]
• Reflections on creative independence and collective goals: [112:24]–[118:17]
• Deante's closing guidance on brand and Black media: [113:53]–[114:49]

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Tone & Style

The tone is energetic, comedic, and uninhibited—just as billed: "raw and unfiltered." The hosts and guests don’t shy away from profanity, dark humor, or deep camaraderie. The episode is driven by a playful spirit but manages to land thoughtful reflections on community storytelling, family ties, structural obstacles, and Black excellence.

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Final Thoughts

Episode 88 brings together two generations of Black media voices for a wide-ranging, memorable conversation. At its core, it champions the idea that authenticity, collaboration, and cultural pride are vital for building the new wave of independent Black media. Filled with personal stories, laughter, and hard truths, this episode is both a snapshot of the culture and a roadmap for where it could go.

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JAAM Podcast Links:
You can find the JAAM pod on all platforms: YouTube, Spotify, Acast, etc.

Host signoff:
“Keep doing your thing, bro. Thank y’all for coming.”

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Transcript

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Woke up in the morning and to God be the glory Thankful for another day to tell my story Put my opinions in the universe and let them orbit I'm from the dirty soul with a dirty mouth My knee orbit miss things Things on me like a nigga nor big had to refuse them Cause.

[A]

My bitch no rest Fusion she gorgeous As I dab my sons up and.

[B]

Kiss my daughter forehead Tell them we gonna get this money to my pocket Morbid. Remember living in apartments now we playing mortgage.

[C]

It's gonna be some I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm probably gonna give away game, but at the same time, it is what it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

You can give away whatever you want there. How many people gonna use it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Ain't real.

[D]

Goddamn real. I can't tell you how many times I try to put.

[A]

Man.

[C]

Bro.

[E]

You know how many n. Teach me. I do that.

[A]

It's actually better if people.

[C]

The way I talk about black media and independent black media. It's actually better if you do take it and run with.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

For the collab.

[A]

I'm politicking with this chicken. All the non blacks to the back.

[B]

You said it was. You said it. Was it next to Nobu? It's a place called. What's it called? Lanya Bravo. Was it that.

[C]

Keep going.

[E]

There's so many places I might say.

[A]

Yeah, bro. Bro.

[C]

It's literally, like, right next to no Bar Senior.

[B]

It was like, right next to it, literally.

[E]

Did you go to Noble?

[B]

Yeah, we didn't even go to.

[E]

We've still never been to Noble anywhere.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

In any city. We never.

[C]

I ain't gonna lie.

[B]

Yeah, it's.

[A]

Whatever.

[E]

We already know.

[C]

I wouldn't say overrated. I think it's in the.

[A]

It's.

[E]

Yeah, that's another note. He don't like sushi, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

I mean, why would we go there?

[C]

You don't like it or you haven't tried it?

[B]

I've had sushi before. It's okay. Like, it's not disgusting.

[A]

So. So here's my thing, bro. It's like. I love that. Yeah. We just got Hans on the.

[C]

On the medium.

[A]

You know, as far. It's a jump. We going raw.

[C]

Gotta work my way up the boy Raw.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

I was gonna say, I remember. I don't know if I fully believe the theory, but I seen a nigga that I used to watch on YouTube talk about why he don't like fish, and he said he was convinced that fish are aliens. And I was like, if you really look at a fish, he's losing. They have angler fish in the middle of that fucking ocean. You know what an angler fish is, nigga?

[A]

Okay, now look, I know you're not, but, like, do you know what a seahorse is? That shit look weird too. Nah, hiding seahorse. Okay, no, no, no, no.

[C]

All right, I'm gonna validate your argument. Okay, this ain't even devil's advocate. This is real.

[A]

Are eating ill. Yeah. Now that's an alien. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. Scientists.

[C]

Scientists have never seen a collective eel breeding.

[A]

Oh, yeah, they've never. That is true. They've never seen it. But because of the.

[C]

Yeah, we can roll. I want to keep talking about this. No.

[A]

No, but they've never seen like.

[C]

Seals, eels collectively mate and.

[A]

But they can track them to a.

[C]

Fault like, because, you know, they emit electromagnetic magnetic waves and. But it's like they was. Like when they tracking them, at some point shit just go offline and. And that shit be happening in the Bermuda Triangle.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, hell no.

[B]

I'm about to say you combine it with the fact because there's still so much of the ocean. That's true.

[E]

So I'm like, my nigga, have you.

[C]

Ever seen the back of the earth?

[A]

No, wait, wait. What do you mean by the back of the earth is straight? It's just straight water because we looking at a globe. But we only. It's like. It's like if you in a group.

[C]

Photo, you looking for yourself. Ye, that's humans.

[A]

We only care about the part where we know. We at. It's a whole nother. It's a sphere. You turn that bitch around. It's ocean.

[B]

Yeah, it's ocean. So you cannot tell me like, okay, bro, you haven't.

[A]

Niggas haven't been to all of America.

[B]

Exactly.

[D]

That's fish in the world that can sock the dog shit out you.

[A]

And then eels go off the radar.

[D]

Get that shit.

[A]

These niggas go off the radar. Some Lester. So now you got me fucked up because I'm might not never eat sushi again. Yeah, if you really deep.

[B]

See, that's my. I don't never want to like when a hot me.

[A]

No, it's. Let's go full tin foil, bro. The reason why I don't.

[B]

I don't cross that line is it just. It just hasn't been appealing to me since I was a kid because I'm like, okay, like you said, raw fish is a joke. But it's like, all right, sushi wasn't horrible. Now I'm like walking in the wet markets when we will be. Cuz there was. There was a wet market that was like by. It must. It was like a few minutes outside the. Yeah, it's right near commercial.

[A]

Oh, okay, okay.

[B]

But like it was a different one. It was just like shop that like a bunch of like African, Jamaican and Hispanic. Yeah, that's where all they got all the spices and at.

[C]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

That's your mama.

[C]

Market. Yeah, it's like the Auburn market.

[B]

Oh yeah. So yeah, so it's like. It's like one of them. And there would be like the. The wet market next to where you go and you get like the fish and you get the. The butcher and everything or whatever. And you walk in and it's nothing but dead fish all over like that. And they like, like it. Not crazy, right?

[E]

Get that red snap.

[A]

Red snap for you.

[C]

So there's a Arbor market, which is the Atlanta like meat market, seafood market. There's another spot called the Austel Market. This is a huge international food market.

[B]

Damn.

[C]

Now shout out to food stamps if you got stamps. Go get all your meat from there. Because. Because it's. It's affordable for one, but also two is bulk, so you get more post.

[E]

Y' all gotta coast. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Y' all gotta.

[B]

I mean all the way on like where they fishing.

[C]

It's that way. It's that way. You know what I'm saying? Like, because we're extremely close to Alabama, so we damn near. We extremely landlocked right here. But we got a lot of lakes around. But I think a lot of our lakes around here. Man made, ain't it?

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Oh, damn.

[C]

Late Lanier. I think Sweetwater man made too.

[A]

No, no, no, it's a stream over there.

[C]

That's it.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, you know what I'm saying? You can't fake that also in that part.

[C]

So Sweetwater National Park. I'm gonna get back to what I was saying in a second. Sweetwater national park is like a Confederate battleground.

[B]

Really?

[C]

So they still got like Confederate structures like homes that was blown up during the war, all type of.

[B]

They got it like pause mid battle.

[C]

Yeah, no, type like. Hold on, preserve that.

[A]

We gotta see no more bombs over here.

[E]

We saw the other day, we saw the little like preserved like area where his house is.

[D]

No, that was true.

[E]

That was fine.

[B]

Yeah, we gotta talk about like all the. That we've seen since we've been in Atlanta. Yeah, we went and seen MLK's birth house like, like two days ago.

[E]

That was an experience.

[B]

That was crazy.

[E]

The one, like, I guess is adulthouse. His birth house is on the west side on Sunset.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah, this is a. This is an Atlanta historian.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Yeah, that's fine.

[B]

Okay. Okay, cool. So then we need to, like, investigation, because that plaque.

[A]

I got the picture.

[B]

The plaque on it say it's his birth house. And the dude from was trying to explain, like, some stuff about it or whatever. Dad didn't know he was from west side.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Damn. That's okay.

[C]

West side.

[A]

Bankhead.

[C]

That way from.

[E]

Every time we hear west side, you know, we from Chicago, so every time we hear west side, I'm like, is it bad? Is it. But y' all don't go by like that at all.

[A]

No, y' all do. Okay, okay. How.

[B]

I'm about to say how they do it.

[C]

West side, east side, south side.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Word.

[B]

Okay. I had heard, like, I heard, like, the distinction between it being like, the sides versus zombie over there, though. And I don't really know how, like, the difference between. So when you say one thing, I'm thinking immediately a Chicago lingo like, oh.

[E]

I keep hearing, say west side. I'm like, oh.

[C]

So I hear. I hear they do everything based on, like, the police zones, like the most active police zones. So the most active ones is what, zone 1, 3, 4, and 6.

[E]

Damn.

[C]

Yeah, so 6 is east side, 3 and 4 is southwest, and 1 is west side.

[E]

We saw the police cars, and I'm like, well, one. We saw all the fast ass, like, charges and shit. We don't got that shit down there.

[A]

You want to know?

[B]

So it said the. It was said, like, what it mera or something, which. I think that's the transit police. So we. We have like, CTA Transit police. And we laugh at it because we like all these. It's the.

[A]

It's the.

[B]

I ain't got no gun.

[A]

Yeah, we came out the airport, it was a charger. They don't give chargers to the CTA police. They got the little Ford, like, they got. It's been nothing but chargers.

[B]

I.

[C]

Okay, they doing different out here, bro.

[A]

I'm.

[C]

I'mma keep it being. You'll see gsp, Georgia State Patrol. You see them in a Camaro, bro. In a Camaro?

[A]

Yeah, they just taking a dope boy.

[C]

Car like, oh, this souped up already.

[A]

Throw the paint on it. Yeah, that's why.

[D]

What do they put on the side?

[B]

They put the.

[A]

No, they will, though. No, like. No, they can.

[C]

They can chase you till it's over.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

No chase laws here at all, brother.

[A]

Brother, they.

[C]

They are. They are.

[A]

What's that called? They are hitting you with a pit maneuver. There's a video some. Tristan, pull the video up. There's a video.

[C]

All right, so you know how, like, when you get off an exit ramp, it's a slope? Right. But outside of that slope, if you go on a median, it's like going up around, like, literally.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

They pitted a. Into the ring.

[A]

Was it the white horse trackhawk? That was it. Damn. They pitted that airborne.

[C]

He went airborne, brother.

[A]

And I'm telling you, the. Who did that? I guarantee you that, bro. The head of Georgia State patrol right now. Good job, partner. Oh, brother, Send that nigga in the air.

[B]

They put that on a frame. They will kill your. Like, that's the funniest.

[C]

No, they not around.

[B]

Yeah, I didn't recently seen, like, it.

[D]

Was on Twitter or whatever. This had like, a dark horse police car. A gsp dark horse police, son.

[A]

They not playing the same kind of games, different Chicago. There's a really speed and do.

[E]

You could do all that. Them not chasing you. They damn near don't give a. Like, most of them don't give a. Unless you going, like. I feel like unless you're going like over a hundred, maybe 100, like 10 or some like that, then they on your ass.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

But still, they're not gonna chase you. If you go past 140, 150, you good here.

[A]

I forgot what the crazy thing is.

[C]

Atlanta.

[A]

Atlanta and East Point police.

[C]

You cool. They really not tripping on much because when you're in a city, it's bigger fish for them to fry. I ain't worried about no traffic. It's so much more when you get outside of Atlanta, Cobb, Douglas, Clayton, the cab be easy.

[D]

I seen, bruh.

[A]

Nah. Especially in Clayton, though, because this.

[B]

This.

[A]

The. The. The. The police chief of Clayton be tweeting. Oh, he wasn't like Trump. No.

[E]

He's black.

[A]

No. I remember when he. When he stopped when he didn't get elected.

[C]

Or he just like. Like, you know, because the police chief, that's like a political.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Position. So I think he just done with politics and was happening in Clayton that wasn't like, to his liking. He was like, man, y' all gonna make me run for.

[A]

Some. Threatening you with a political run. No, he the LeBron and locking up.

[C]

Like, listen, if you talk to, like, a social worker that black, bro, the way they Doing in Clayton? They fell. Oh, they ain't playing Felton at Clain County Jail.

[B]

Walk in here, it says, welcome to the Hilton. Oh, yeah.

[A]

No, they're actively trolling. Welcome to the Hilton is crazy, because.

[E]

I know what I'm saying. Is that Southern? Is that white?

[A]

That's Clayton, apparently.

[E]

So them just. They doing that to black, too?

[C]

Yes, bro. Listen, bro.

[A]

Because this is the thing about.

[C]

This is the thing about Atlanta. It's like, Atlanta is an extremely black city, but all of the surrounding cities are extremely black. So every. The suburbs are black, too. Like, it's. It's odd. North is like. North Atlanta is white, but north suburbs are also white. And his extremely Hispanic west, south, and east suburbs, black as hell.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they.

[C]

But they getting, like, you talking, it's gonna be black mayor, all the city council people black. The sheriff gonna be black, the coroner, everything. But they giving it up, though. Like, they not playing with they.

[A]

What's the. That they had out there in Douglasville?

[C]

The Scorpion unit.

[A]

Scorpion unit, first of all, in winter.

[D]

What the fuck is that?

[A]

That don't sound good at all. Okay, so wait a second. Okay, hold on. Scorpion.

[B]

Like me.

[A]

So formers.

[C]

You got. You got the Red Dogs, which is like, this is the. The infamous division of Atlanta Police. So, like, these is.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Like, you ever watch the Wire or, like, anything about Baltimore where they just hopping out and checking, putting on the wall and, like, frisking them? Yeah, that's the Red Dogs, except they hopping out whooping ass.

[A]

Like, infinite. Like, famously. Jesus, famously. Like, when you see them go, no, the Red Dogs. The Red Dogs. The Red Dogs is. And this is like when Atlanta.

[C]

This is like Pete Crack era Atlanta. So, like, this is when all the projects were still up and everything. So, like, it was a thing, like, where you see them book it, because there ain't no explanation they don't want to hear. They came to whoop ass, whip ass, take money, take drugs.

[A]

And might drop.

[C]

You in the odd neighborhood. Like, it's like.

[A]

No cap.

[B]

I was gonna say, if there's.

[A]

They throw the.

[C]

In the van, no cuffs.

[A]

Just ship the back in there, grab.

[B]

A nigga by the belt.

[A]

Imagine. Imagine, like. Imagine like Georgia State defensive line, but they just cops.

[B]

They have different divisions like that in, like, all types of different police departments. Because they'll usually like, task them with like, like, the. The stop and frisk shit.

[C]

Yeah, they beat niggas up.

[A]

That's what it is.

[B]

I forgot what they had, what it was called in Chicago, but they had units like that, too. And then I remember they would have TV personalities running around with them. I think Dr. Phil rode around with them.

[E]

Yeah, he did.

[A]

He did.

[B]

And, like, they feel documentary. They will hop out, like. And their job was to get guns off the street. But then they'll just go to.

[A]

Yeah, yo, my nigga, propaganda is crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because Cops as a. As a concept, like Cops the show. The show Cops is a. Ooh. I ain't gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.

[D]

Whenever that came on, I was vividly.

[B]

Watching that show is propaganda out the ass, bro.

[A]

Listen, I don't think I ever watched.

[D]

My name's Ricardo, 35. Gotta make this stop today, man.

[A]

Nah. Yeah.

[C]

Listen, dog, bro, listen.

[A]

This is the original reality tv.

[C]

My so you talking about.

[A]

Okay, you saw, you said B. What you do? It's them. That's they. So it'll just come on like. Like, you hear, like, all the dispatching noises and like.

[C]

Yeah, this neighborhood is known for drugs.

[B]

Vic.

[A]

Ste.

[C]

Yeah, they known for drug trafficking. We a call about a suspicious activity over here.

[A]

As soon as they. Anytime they say suspicious activity, it's. They get out that car. That nigga's booking. So you listening to a chase a full speed, bro, that is insane, bro. Like, I used to watch like that.

[E]

On, like, YouTube and.

[A]

No, bro, this was. This was like, my.

[C]

This was prime time television.

[A]

This is one of the. This is one of the, like, most.

[C]

Syndicated shows of all time, bro.

[A]

They was. The whole show is now, like, half of it is, like, domestic violence. So. And it's funny as shit. Not funny, but, like, just, like, in theory, like, you showing up, niggas is lumped up and all that, so you watching them go through their whole, like.

[C]

Investigation of, like, who they gonna believe?

[A]

Nine times out of ten, the viewer.

[C]

Is like, nah, he.

[A]

He whooped her ass, like, take that nigga to jail. But the story that a nigga will come up with on the spot about whether he did or didn't, it's insane, bro. No, it sound like bullshit. It's like, damn, it make you a cop.

[B]

No, I was gonna say the problem with it is because, like, there it is.

[E]

There it is.

[B]

Yeah, the reason why. The reason why it's propaganda is because, like, I'm watching this shit. I remember 90 of the episodes was exactly that. You hear the radio chatter in the Crown Vic, and then you hear something, and they hit a U turn, and then you hop out, Then you start running, and then someone get tackled.

[A]

And then.

[B]

My issue is. My issue is.

[A]

The thing is, it's never Framed.

[B]

It's never framed in a sense that, like, the cop could be doing something wrong. This nigga has no idea what the fuck he's doing. You caught this nigga after he took three sips of coffee out to Crown.

[A]

Vic, and he is like, no real rap. And then also, too, you got to.

[C]

Think about the immense amount of editing that went into that show.

[A]

Because they didn't catch every nigga.

[E]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[A]

And there's not a lot of police brutality on that. Where exactly? We know what's going on, bro.

[B]

90% of cops jobs is in traffic. Citation. These niggas are not hopping out tackling like Batman.

[A]

No. And also too, the craziest. But it'll make you think that.

[B]

And that convinced a whole generation of kids to be cops.

[E]

I was gonna say, how many kids you think was cops off of that?

[A]

No mad kids. It's hella loser ass out there. That was like. I think I was talking one point. It's Copaganda, bro. It makes it seem like a glorious job.

[C]

This the thing.

[A]

You know how every show has, like.

[C]

A montage in the beginning?

[A]

Yeah, imagine a montage. No, but, like, it's like, it's like every.

[C]

Like any given Sunday.

[A]

Like, the way that they like, tackling niggas two at a time. Bing, bing. Like, God damn, you just tackling. It was one, like, for the longest that they tackled a nigga right into the police car. Yes, it was. And it's like that shit had you rooting for the police. Like, they heroes. Like, oh, dude. Because every show, they what? YouTube geeked up bad boys. Yeah, let's get these bad boys. I think I was just talking to.

[E]

JJ Ass like, a week ago or some. I'm like, bro, who was we talking about? It was some girl. Oh, it was some girl I was talking to. She was talking about some, like, criminal like. Like going into. Like that.

[A]

And I'm like, that's cool.

[E]

I guess. But like, like, me growing up, nothing in me was like, yeah, I want to be a cop when I'm old. Like, never mind.

[C]

Swear.

[A]

Like, I thought.

[E]

I thought cops was the lamest. Even they are cops coming in. I'm thinking you the lamest n in the world.

[A]

Cornballs.

[E]

Cornballs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm a cutie bean.

[C]

It's only been one time ever that I wanted to be in law enforcement, man. That's when I was in jail.

[B]

Yeah. How did that work?

[A]

Cause I want to get out, and I'm like, damn. Try to find loopholes. Let me be my own war no, I'm saying no jail. Had you fucked up.

[C]

Cause you being that bitch, like, damn, I really can't leave. They can leave. Damn.

[A]

I should have been a correctional officer. That's true, though. Should have been Rick Ross now.

[C]

And also too like Training Day. Because it's like Training day. Oh, man. Nigga could be dirty out this bitch. Like, you be a gangster and a cop. Yeah, that's hard.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, you get that? Because I'm like, I remember I would.

[A]

Be the cops dirtiest cop.

[B]

I would put.

[E]

I feel like that's. I mean, how do you avoid that, bro? You give. Those are games, bro.

[A]

You give a record. They're in a mob.

[E]

You give a regular ass badge, little bitty vest. Give his ass a gun or something. That gonna talk his. He gonna be a hot.

[A]

And then is twirling batons. Then he got a whole fleet of.

[E]

He could just.

[A]

And then them. In theory, that's kind of up. It's up because it's like these, like.

[C]

Are systemic gang members.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

Like, they just. Oh, you get rowdy and it's cleared. They clear that and it's like mad. It's up, bro.

[D]

How many times have, like, the New York Police Department been sued because they.

[A]

Like, there has to be like, at least 200 cases.

[B]

It makes you start Chicago Police Department too.

[A]

Yeah. Hell yeah.

[E]

Hell yeah. I was gonna say Mexican independence.

[B]

I was gonna say you gave him.

[A]

A little speaking with.

[D]

No, literally, we was out Sweetwater, right? Yeah, it was in Sweetwater, bro. We looking out the window. There's these on his bike. And this I. Dude was on a four wheeler.

[E]

Yeah, they was all on four wheelers. They taking out. They got both hands on the trunk.

[D]

He falls off the bike. It's like 30 cops just go around to start beating this up.

[E]

Swarming that nigga. Swarming that nigga. And it's in the middle of the city, middle of the Michigan Avenue.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

So psychologically there is an appeal to that. If you lying.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, we can just beat some power.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's the thing that makes. When you make the look like it's a superhero movie. You a kid. Like, I feel like the. The mystique of being a cop immediately vanished like, as soon as we had dare. When we was old enough to have their officers come into school. It was probably like, what, fourth grade or some shit. That's what killed it. And it's not even because, like, I'm standing there and I'm like, okay, ideally, you want somebody like, they're supposed to Be protecting all this. All the. They tell you as a kid, the cops do. And I'm like. Then you fast forward to what we saw. And I'm like, it's Mexican Independence Day. And everyone's usually driving with their flags because of course. And I'm watching like them swarm stop every. Like it was. We were sitting in that restaurant for maybe like an hour and it didn't go maybe two minutes without someone getting stopped. They. They run through. They look through their. And they just let them go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then we see department tackling some dude on a four wheel. I'm like, there's. This is a city of like 9 million people. And I promise you, like a good 10 to 20% of the department is hitting here on a block for no fucking reason to watch niggas wave flags.

[E]

Look good guy like waving flags. They do their little parade or whatever it is. We start walking and we see a group of them just smoking. I'm like, it's niggas own salary right now. Next to the Independence Day. Their own salary. We don't got no money. We don't got no money for the schools. Got no money for the communities. We don't got no money for no type of reform.

[B]

They just situation billions. They just pulled eight mil. Drumming them for eight more from the CPS schools. Public schools.

[E]

Because they said they wasn't gonna stop. They. They black. Like super kids initiative or something.

[B]

It was federal funding. Yeah. So like that's. That's the priorities and that's the shit makes you ask a lot of questions about policing. Because I'm like, bro, there's not even like national. There's not even like, you know, from county to county, each one are gonna be staffed differently.

[A]

It's whole Ku Klux Klan members in.

[B]

These rural county police department.

[C]

Well, also too like niggas. Niggas don't realize that Chicago is a midwestern city.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because of the appeal of it and because of how close it is to a body of water.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It feels like it's on the east coast.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But if you travel through Illinois, I mean Illinois is literally right on the. On the line of Illinois and Indiana. Chicago lies on that line.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So like Indiana, one of the most racist states in the fucking country.

[B]

The actual Midwest, like, like the city of Chicago. And then like Gary, Indiana is like it where people are everything else there red everything else. Like you even sure that's why Illinois drew up the districts the way it is? Because if you look there like it is nothing but cornfields. Outside of like the Chicago metro area.

[C]

I done been there a bunch, like for work. Like one of the last truck driving jobs I had, I worked for some Russians based out of Chicago.

[B]

Oh shit.

[C]

And it was like close to Joliet or whatever. Yeah. But I mean they got the big ass trucking company.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Out there.

[C]

So like traveling through Illinois, like from the trip from like Chicago to St. Louis, it's like, what the is this?

[A]

Everything is just grass.

[C]

Just grass.

[A]

It's just grass. Yeah. Word. Real rap.

[C]

And then the thing is, Indiana is like, like, you know how they be putting that, you know how they put that like filter on Mexico?

[A]

Yeah, like that orange filter.

[D]

Yellow orange filter.

[C]

That's Indiana. Like it has a great filter on it.

[B]

As a who's grown up in, in the state of Illinois my entire life, I'm still scared of Indiana because Indiana is like, Indiana is like a buffer zone. It's like, it's like if you gonna go from, from Chicago to like the east coast, you got like Chicago and then you got like. I don't even really count much in Ohio besides maybe like Cleveland. But like as soon as that gray area before you even hit like Ohio, Pennsylvania of Indiana is just like, you.

[A]

Don'T try to get through it.

[B]

You don't get pulled over down there. You don't get pulled over no dead ass.

[E]

I got pulled over in Indiana. Was tweaking with me. I think everywhere I get pulled over.

[B]

They tweak with me.

[E]

I'm a n Indiana, bro. I used to be scared of going.

[B]

Through Indiana driving 900 mile now, bro.

[A]

Well, yeah, you know me, I be, I be speeding. We we f start, we f to.

[C]

Start getting to the common denominator.

[A]

But go ahead, you know what I'm saying?

[C]

Every time.

[A]

Every single time. Even me, I've had good interactions with police years. I mean, no, you know what's crazy though? You know it's crazy though, cause these are still people. But no, no, driving state to state.

[C]

You always do for whatever reason, run into weird ass cars.

[E]

I don't think though, I, I genuinely think in my driving life. So what, like five, six years? I think I've been stopped maybe over like 10, 15 times. I think I only got a ticket like twice. Yeah, I always be talking my way out. My tickets though. Like I didn't have my sticker that I was driving dirty for like not like a year.

[B]

Like a year.

[E]

And you know, my shit's still dirty now. Nigga don't drive that bitch.

[B]

Allegedly. Nigga.

[A]

Let's omit that they ain't gonna find me in my car.

[E]

No way. That bitch got dust on it.

[A]

Nigga, stop moving. Don't worry, you won't see Take that Uber black every time.

[C]

All right, so we say all this to say that sushi is eating alien.

[A]

If you eat sushi, you're eating aliens. We got the jam podcast in the building.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[C]

We're gonna take a page out of their book. Quick. Fit check, fit check. We're gonna start with jj.

[A]

Okay. Oh, shit. Hold on.

[B]

I got the, the what are they.

[A]

The Columbias or something?

[B]

Nah, Georgetown.

[E]

Georgetown.

[B]

Georgetown's the other university and shit. Then we got these half evil guests on the shirt chain.

[E]

On it.

[B]

Stacky Energy.

[D]

Undefeated fours.

[A]

On the undefeated fours. Why Chicago crazy ice cream pants.

[D]

BBC shirt.

[C]

You feel me?

[E]

The BBC got to have a satchel every time.

[D]

A little. Little chain.

[A]

Little Joel. Little Joel.

[C]

Let's, let's hold on before we get to you, man. Coach is making a comeback.

[A]

Guys.

[D]

I bought some coach shoes.

[C]

In a real way.

[A]

Yes, in a real way. Coach sho. You showed me they ain't gonna hold you.

[C]

They making a comeback.

[E]

I think the accessories been fired. Like people sleeping on the accessory, bro.

[C]

Duh. I I low key be trying to find a reason to buy them pendants.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

This a coach earring little dinosaur.

[A]

Oh, fire.

[B]

I need to get more like. Yeah, like earring stuff. Like.

[A]

No, bro, they is cold as.

[B]

Yeah, it is cold.

[C]

Yeah. I don't know who got them from coach.

[E]

Story we should tell is coach.

[B]

What's the. Oh, no, we don't have money. Whole story.

[A]

Okay, all right.

[E]

Hey, if the can pick up this hole in my pants, they thrifted. So it's cool. Time don't treat with it. You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Thrifted pants.

[E]

Soho studio shirt. Shout out my Allen.

[B]

Shout out my Allen, bro.

[E]

My George, Floyd on this got my.

[B]

Table and Trayvon, right?

[E]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[E]

And I got the chains on. You feeling ch Stack on. Yeah, coming cool. And.

[A]

I go, you matter. You matter.

[B]

That's a team I with.

[E]

That's me, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

These from H and M. Lil Cargo.

[B]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[E]

Damage tough as.

[C]

You know the Kendrick Lamar.

[B]

I know them is.

[A]

I don't know if these.

[C]

I just seen him wear Nike shots, but these some Nike shots. These is tough. My daughter gave me this.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[C]

Bestie bracelet. You know.

[A]

How cheesecake feeling, bro?

[C]

Tearing up.

[A]

Nah, he comfortable though.

[C]

So this is potty training. Yeah. Once we get him on his once again on good routine. I've been all over the place the last few days, so I ain't been able to fixate. But like next week when I slow down, I'm having good in three days.

[D]

Yeah, well, I showed my Shorty that dog, bro. She's been begging me for a dog.

[B]

Now.

[A]

I got you, bro.

[C]

I got a good breeder, bro. I got you.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Not 100.

[C]

You know, they're gonna run that back in a few. You know what I'm saying?

[E]

We just did the.

[C]

The.

[E]

The app you showed us.

[A]

We just got a good dog, bro.

[E]

I'm telling them.

[B]

Look at that. I had no idea.

[C]

Sponsor me, man.

[A]

Not in real way.

[C]

No. I need that money.

[A]

We need. I was spending like shorty from set it off. I need that money, Stoney. All right, let's go down.

[C]

JJ, when you was born, what year was you born?

[B]

04.

[C]

AB 99.

[A]

Is it date? Hold on. Quickly. Hold on.

[C]

Time, time, quickly.

[A]

04.

[B]

Yes. 04.

[C]

99.

[B]

9.

[A]

He said that quick discrimination when you.

[E]

03.

[C]

03. Okay. N. It's not smooth, bro. Intergenerational podcast. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we going. I ain't going to lie me.

[A]

You VL get together.

[C]

Yeah, that going to pop.

[B]

That is going to.

[D]

I can't wait till.

[C]

Man, the trace generation on us. Three generations.

[B]

Me and him always be beefing about the old 403 thing, but it's funny because there's nothing that happened in the year 2004.

[C]

Like, I started high school there.

[B]

Well, yeah, but like, George Bush won or some. And then like, shout out to George Bush. That was like it.

[A]

Shout out.

[C]

George Bush is rolling this into 20 years of war, my nigga.

[A]

Shout out to George Bush. Keeping that machine scarred every.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? The Middle east good guys.

[C]

Preach eagle.

[B]

And I was like, yeah, but besides that, I ain't really found nothing else interesting besides, you know, four. Yeah, about. Besides, you know, it's cool.

[A]

I think the Lakers won out here.

[B]

Oh, did they?

[A]

I would know.

[C]

Kobe. Kobe was on his team. I mean, Kobe was.

[A]

Kobe Was that in 04?

[B]

But yeah, the generation.

[E]

Well, I know a lot of happened in 03. I just don't know the. Me and Brian got the same birthday.

[B]

Though, so that's cool.

[C]

And.

[E]

Oh, yeah, shout out my brain.

[C]

So y' all all y' all familiarly related, right? Y' all two brothers, and then y'. All. You could. All right, and then let's talk. Let's talk some more about y' all experiences with being first generations. You know what I'm saying? Y' all some first generation babies.

[B]

Yeah, I was gonna say in Chicago. Yeah. I was gonna say. Actually funny bringing it up. The story that we found out that we were related.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

That actually happened because of that. We was in fourth grade. Me and Matt met in fourth grade. And we were sitting next to each other pretty much the entire school year. Had no idea that we was related. But we was cool with each other. Like, it was literally funny. We just became just friends and we was bullshitting, you know, normal beef and shit.

[E]

Businesses and shit. We had a beef and shit.

[B]

It was the best of fun over all type of shit, right? And then it was the end of the year. My mom had came through because she was gonna chaperone. Like, our field trip that we was on. And I don't know why or for whatever reason. As soon as we got. As soon as she got there, she.

[E]

Said, it's a Jamaica thing.

[B]

Yeah, it's a Jamaican thing. Cause she from Jama. She was born there. She came. She came to Chicago, I think, in the 90s. So she came through and she saw him and immediately started pressing him, asking him questions.

[A]

Who your granny?

[E]

Who your mama?

[A]

Who your uncle? Where your daddy stand?

[B]

Yeah, like, every single. So, like, through, like, a whole thing of questions, we found out that my, like, uncle and his, like, aunt. It's like my grandma brother married, like, someone on his side of the family. And, like, and then they ended up staying together until they passed away. So, like, now we. We just. I guess we just cut through marriage forever. Yeah. And that came just because. Yeah, my mom happened to know the Jamaicans in Illinois and in Chicago. In Generally know everybody who's Jamaican.

[D]

So, like, yeah, we got family, like, here, Canada, uk.

[C]

I think that is one of the hardest that, like. And when I say hard, I mean, like, fire. Like, the hardest thing about being Jamaica is like, you go have kin folks in Canada.

[A]

Yeah, that gangster as.

[B]

Some of my favorite memories as a child was either when we went to Canada or when they would come through to visit Canada.

[A]

Nice as Canada is beautiful.

[B]

They got health care and there real.

[C]

Shout out to the maple.

[A]

The big leaf.

[B]

So all of them, like. But the vast majority of our family.

[A]

He said, he's in the big leaf.

[D]

Boy, that funny as hel.

[A]

Like, man. Man.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

No, our family, though, we got. We got like, for people who were born in America, literally, I think it was just. I think us and you and your brother. Yeah, we're like the only generation of people Our entire family to be born in America. Everyone else was either from Liberia, West Coast Africa or Jamaica.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Oh, y' all stamped y' all families.

[B]

Yeah. Was shit's crazy.

[C]

Citizenship.

[A]

Everywhere. I'm about to need to go ye shout out to that birthright. I think that's the one thing about.

[C]

Black people, though, is like, ain't if you walk in the room, you ain't stand that. Like, I was telling this young dude, that Elon, he's Jamaican, he first generation too. And he was starting to talk about, like, you know, some of the diaspora stuff and things like that. And I was like asking him, like, well, outside of where you was born, what's the other differences you have with black people in America? And I was like, we can even go historically.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

We got similar cuisines, we got similar cultures. If the music's different, it's still music.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's still a two step. I was saying it's still.

[B]

It's still even the people. Even the people.

[C]

It's still like gonna be rice and greens and you know what I'm saying? Type of stewed meat. Whatever, whatever. Or like, you know, culturally, I was telling him, like, bro, niggas know about y' all situation with sugar plantations and banana plantations.

[B]

Yeah, sugar cane.

[C]

Just like y' all know about us with cotton and tobacco and shit like that. So it's like, outside of where you was born, what is the difference? And nigga couldn't really give me nothing.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

And I was like, yeah, that's the point.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Because if I walked in this room and let's just say it's a hundred people, and we got a quarter Brazilian, a quarter Jamaican, a quarter Haitian, and a quarter black American, you ain't gonna know the difference.

[B]

Exactly. And that's the white man.

[E]

He definitely not either.

[A]

But the thing is, we not.

[C]

Because transatlantic snow trade, I mean, it's only, you know, genetics is very diverse, but the origin is what dictated. And if we all have a similar origin, because even when people get on they about, you know, we was the original Native Americans and like that, it's like, there may be some truth to that. My. Because because y' all came from Africa like that there's a circumnavigating of the planet that was going on, and there's a trade established with. Between West Africa and America already. Same thing with Jamaica and like that too. So I be trying to get hip to this idea of, like, don't like, ruin a relationship off. One difference.

[A]

Yeah, that one difference.

[B]

You want to Know what? It was that kind of. It was that exact same scenario. I remember the. The cultural difference that I had, at least growing up was that I didn't hear a lot of, like, the same music that other, like, black American people who.

[D]

Straight reggae.

[B]

Yeah. So. Because my mom was listening to reggae or my dad was listening to Afro music. So I remember it was New Edition. My homie asked me about New Edition one time when I was on the bus. I think it was freshman year of high school.

[D]

Oh, I got you, gang.

[B]

I ain't heard what he. I didn't know who he was talking about at first. That was a day and a half.

[A]

Nigga stuck out like a sore thumb.

[B]

That was a day and a half.

[A]

Yeah, that's a litmus test for sure.

[B]

And I was like. And I completely got it. I got. I was violated that day. They was laughing and shit. But I got it because I was like, well, hey, there's so many other. There's little bits and pieces that I grew up with, like, connected to the. My other brother, who was born in Jamaica, because when he came through, he got a lot of friends who were, like, black American already. They put him on to, like, a lot of, like, hip hop. And that's how I ended up getting introduced, like Kendrick and everything like that. So it was like, bits and pieces of it. And it's because, nigga, Jamaica was just a different stop on the slave trade. Everyone came from the same continent, and they just. Yeah. And they draw the racial distinctions differently in different countries.

[C]

That's it. But the inverse of that is too. It's like if an American migrated to Jamaica, but their parents are black American, and they preserve their black American culture through music and food.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

That's how everybody preserve their culture, like, in new spaces, music and food. So it would be the same thing. Like, if you ask me about some super local Jamaican shit, it's like, yeah, they're gonna be like, ha.

[A]

American.

[C]

But it's. But I think the thing is, it's like that one difference. Yeah, that's like.

[B]

I'm gonna say that everything else similar.

[E]

You know, to be. When you get down there, too, in your American, it'd be the. The dialect, like, the patois.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

You can't speak around them. Like, especially, like, us. We go down there with, like, our family. But I'm not speaking around nobody because everything gonna go up. Price is gonna be go up. You might get your dumb ass.

[A]

Rob.

[C]

Where your folks from?

[B]

Spanish Town.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

For real?

[B]

Lucy.

[D]

Lucy. Yeah, Lucy.

[B]

Jamaican Lucy. So it's one of.

[C]

It's all right, so you, you Jamaican too then. Okay, cool. We got the rosters.

[A]

You know what's so funny though? Like anytime like one of us was.

[C]

This just some inside between me and him. Like anytime, like if you trip or if you fall or you. You drop something, be like.

[A]

That'S just some. That make us laugh, bro. Like. Cuz that is like an ill ass lingo. Exactly.

[B]

And I was going to say if you look at the. The other similarities and I always think about like Bob Marley, I'm like, Bob Marley is one of.

[A]

That's a through line for sure.

[B]

Bob Marley is one of the biggest music artists of all time. And the Washington smoking weed and that kind of sound like 99% of the.

[A]

Rappers like in America. Well, and then there's also this like.

[C]

There'S a continuity of it too because like even when Snoop Dogg tried to rebrand, he low key tried to rebrand as Bob Marley.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Everyone become Rastafarian the moment.

[B]

Snoop lie.

[C]

Oh man, I'mma make another point. The end of the. The documentary was. Was some.

[B]

Yeah, I didn't even see.

[A]

He made a documentary.

[B]

He made a documentary.

[C]

The Snoop lion documentary was.

[A]

You remember that?

[C]

Okay, so this is, this is my. This is part of my deep Illuminati bag. So they was dissecting the like symbol symbolism in that documentary, right? Cuz they were saying his rebrand was like his selling of his song, his alter ego, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is his Sasha Fierce.

[A]

But the reason why they said that.

[C]

Is because like one of the first bars of the documentary, like promotion was the prodigal son has returned.

[A]

And it's like this ass nigga tried to come in. It's not the prodigal son of Jamaica, bro. It's not the prodigal son. He from Long Beach. Long beach is not the.

[B]

My bad.

[A]

No, yeah. Deal with that. No, I'm just saying imagine. Imagine you said like that's like saying.

[C]

A from Trentown and he not.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

But the from Compton gonna be like that buster or whatever. The not from Lucy, bro. He ain't though. And it's like n. Sir, they had.

[C]

They had the. The lady in all white approaching like with like hold his cheeks and was like, the prodigal son be trying to.

[E]

Be so different, bro.

[A]

Like, what the. Like, he died. All you do is like, bro, you met up with Bunny Bunny Weller and smoke some weed and now you think you tough, man. You're Botman now Bunny stole out real rap.

[C]

Nah, I'm gonna say Bunny, Bunny, Bunny. Whaler might be the illest Jamaican of all time, cuz. This nigga pushed up white Timberlands. That's some Jamaican shit.

[A]

That is some Jamaican shit. Jamaicans love general Jamaican feet. Jamaican fits. Jamaica gets fits. Crazy nasty. I'mma tell you what a Jamaican love.

[C]

A white shoe, my boy.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Anything a white mess. Bust you up in that white with the loafers. Nigga, no shirt on. You got to have like that. They.

[B]

No, not even no shirt.

[D]

The mesh shirt. The mesh shirt.

[A]

Jamaicans love a mesh white loafers gonna say, damn, white man, you super Jamaican right now. I'mma keep it real though.

[B]

And you get the khaki like that. Stop at the ankle with like the.

[A]

Loafers on the beach. You look like a Jamaican uncle.

[C]

We going to talk about something.

[A]

Walking barefoot, baby. Yeah. I can't laugh at it because my feet are because of that, bro.

[E]

In Jamaica, six years old, run around this soccer barefoot.

[B]

I'm telling you, bro, and barefoot. If it's not soccer, there's so much like bush. There's so much like bush.

[A]

Like in the kicking trees. Real.

[C]

That's how niggas train from muay thick shin.

[B]

Kicking banana trees and going in the thing and cutting like the Maoji was talking about. Like when they clearing land. All the machete. Yes. Barefoot.

[E]

We used to with that. We killed the. We killed a rat one time with a machete.

[D]

Okay.

[E]

My Jamaican ass cousins was doing nut, bro.

[A]

Don't you remember? Remember the picture? The picture with the bird too? You remember the picture with the bird? Bird.

[B]

Jamaicans caught a bird. I swear to God, Jamaicans are like the most free spirited, like individuals on the planet. Because. Because they will do anything.

[E]

The fits will be rabbits.

[B]

And so we. So there was a picture. He. I remember he sent a picture. His cousin who had caught like a bird in midair. Our cousin came in midair.

[A]

It wasn't. I'm going.

[C]

Keep it real though. This is. This is something that's very universal. Hood can do anything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

We didn't see crackheads holding them. Them fridges over their heads.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You can go anywhere in, in like in America and just give a young motorbike and he hopping on that like he been on it 10 years.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know what it is.

[C]

Know how to flip, Know how to work on cars.

[A]

Flipping is like.

[B]

My theory is it's that becoming accustomed to like extreme environments. It's like you like develop like extra like senses and Sensitivity, activity. This the end of the story with our cousin. Is this scoped a rabbit with rocks? Yeah.

[D]

I never see our cousin came from Jamaica.

[B]

I don't know when he did.

[A]

No, no, no, no.

[D]

We.

[A]

We come back. Did we come back from right there?

[D]

We came back from school. And then we pull up to the driveway. This nigga's peeking out like the back of the house. I'm like, yo, what's the word?

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[D]

Go inside the house. House. This comes around with a rabbit in his hand. I'm like, where did you get that?

[A]

This nigga's a cat. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[B]

He didn't come around with it in his hand. We found it on the sidewalk by the side of the house.

[C]

Yeah, he killed a rabbit with a rock.

[B]

Because we had like a rock pile. We had like a rock pile, like, tan rocks, like in our backyard. And there. There be rabbits running around. It's a suburban area in the middle of Illinois. It be rabbits in. And so I didn't know until I go outside.

[A]

No, no, like. Like, I'm like, no, not even him being primitive.

[B]

I'm like, that's just. That's just crazy. Like there were kids growing up who would like around with bugs. And I couldn't even go that far.

[A]

The took like six rocks and dead.

[B]

Eye scoped like, like the.

[A]

The rabbit and killed it, hitting it that hard, like.

[B]

And I was like, okay.

[E]

But when you go to like, Kingston.

[D]

Though, he got it, bro.

[C]

That's tough though.

[B]

That's tough.

[A]

You survived. That nigga will survive anything, I promise you. He's straight forever like. Like that, bro.

[E]

Them niggas don't play down there though, bro. That's where they get that shit from. That my cousin came up, did the same shit. Killing rabbits and shit, setting traps. We in the burbs, nigga. There's nothing running through here.

[B]

It's a.

[E]

Like, we gated. Nigga, you good. You still doing all that shit. But like, like I was gonna say in Kingston, bro, it's the same way. I don't know if you ever been to like, Kingston or like Jamaica or like that. It's the same way. They be killing all type of shit. Niggas, they kill dogs out there.

[B]

They kill chop the head.

[A]

No, look, in the beginning, I mean.

[C]

You get a pretty crash course in the beginning of shot us. No cap Y.

[A]

Running around and was.

[C]

Running around, hitting legs barefoot with half shirts on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Not dead ass. Then he stole the gun while his dad was washing his face. Like washing his face was still water in the back.

[C]

Stole a gun.

[A]

But I'm gonna say I don't.

[B]

I don't want to like dog hunt, though. I do miss Jamaica, though.

[E]

I want to go back the weather.

[B]

I was going to say.

[A]

I was going to say this about it too.

[C]

Like, so the black. Black American culture is very global, but Jamaican culture is extremely global, too. I would. I would say these are the most.

[D]

Intertwined.

[C]

Most intertwined as far as popularity.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And being able to have a global presence. Right. A lot of it is through music and culture lingo as well. Like black American lingo and Jamaican patois. Like, very global shit.

[E]

Like, you can Mitch mash shit all the time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You dig what I'm saying?

[C]

And I even down to like, identity, right. When. When start smoking weed, what they do automatically they become rosters.

[A]

Yeah. You feel me?

[C]

But so, like, I' ma say this. The illest. The illest American reggae song is sung by Eddie Murphy. My.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. That song not ill.

[B]

Wait, what did it.

[A]

Not Eddie Murphy reggae song is ill. I don't care what niggas talking about. I'm not playing.

[E]

I swear to God. It's the one that he bullshitting. It can't be that one, though. You wouldn't do us like that, man.

[A]

American Jamaican song to me, I'm about to. Hold on, wait. I didn't know Eddie Murphy. Unless it's that white.

[B]

I didn't know Eddie Murphy made a reggae song.

[A]

What's the white nigga?

[B]

A Sean Paul.

[A]

Nah, nah, that's not American. Come around. Finally the earth come around. N. That hard. That hard. And. And K Buz and L. Wayne got a crazy rap city freestyle to that beat. I don't know, bro. No, son. Got a whole album like. And. And I just heard. I don't know. I was in the whip with somebody and that bitch came on the shuffle. I was like, it's hard.

[B]

Wait, who?

[A]

It was like, my nigga.

[C]

This is Eddie Murphy. It might run it.

[B]

Hold on. Okay.

[E]

No, it's a bro.

[A]

Wait, wait, bro, I think this is it. I know it's the only one, bro. His popping.

[C]

I ain't going. L.

[B]

No, I. I vividly remember my.

[D]

OG listening to that.

[A]

I vividly remember.

[B]

Listen, bro.

[A]

It's the illest American reggae song. Like I'm saying. I'm saying I'm pure inspiration.

[C]

This made this like, this probably was getting high listening.

[A]

Yo, Eddie Murphy. Eddie Murphy got a few hits.

[C]

My yo.

[A]

He got this song like my girl likes to party all the time. I. I knew he made Eddie. Eddie. Eddie got that bro. He's eating up, bro. He's not playing. Eddie is like that. First I knew, then I knew it.

[E]

Was like that Comedy.

[B]

I knew.

[A]

No, but check this, check this part out though. When his first special drop, he was only doing comedy for like two years. He got one of the most famous specials of all time.

[E]

Yeah, he. Yeah seen that one.

[A]

And he was only doing comedy for like two years. Like professionally. From that went straight to SNL. It's have been doing comedy 15 years.

[C]

Wanted to be on SNL.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

That's insane.

[A]

He's still eating like that.

[B]

That is.

[A]

Yo, the Eddie Murphy was wearing like a leather durag.

[B]

This song is in GTA 5 and I had no idea that.

[A]

Yes, bro. This is Eddie Murphy. My name. Damn. Hey, so look peep game.

[C]

This another thing about Eddie Murphy had on a leather durag.

[A]

He's an ill. You never seen that picture. This is when he was getting his reggae shut off, bro. That was a part of his aesthetic.

[B]

That's so if he made that off straight. You know who caught me off guard like that too was Donald Glover. The more I learned about like how talented that is because I only ever knew about Childish Gambino when I was a kid.

[A]

I always like like that come around.

[C]

Like once a generation.

[A]

Eddie Murphy, Jamie Foxx. Childish Gambino. It's like some that could do everything and like because Gambino.

[C]

Now here's the thing about him. When he was Childish Gambino, like when he first came back out yo, the.

[A]

Used to make mad Asian fetish music. Yeah. He didn't really like his earlier music.

[B]

Was like his earlier music had that.

[C]

I want to say something publicly right now. This is not cool. And this was a judgment on my behalf and I apologize. I've grown from this position. The reason I ain't like that cuz his hairline.

[A]

Can't trust a walk around like hairline. Nah. But listen bro, be figuring out the sauce. Grow it out.

[D]

Yup.

[A]

Throw it out bro.

[C]

Because this look ill in the distance America video.

[A]

Yeah. No issue was hard. No issue. And his was ill in Atlanta too.

[B]

I'm about to say. Yeah.

[A]

Because as he's got to grow that.

[B]

Out swag changed and everything early him. I remember when I seen like that one clip the. The early stand up routine where he talks about like the.

[A]

The weirdo was hilarious.

[B]

He's hilarious. Hilarious. But like I seen that lying bro.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

You said the hard R. No, no, he was.

[A]

He he made a.

[B]

He was. It was the clip about the. The nigglet joke.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

They got a word for that or whatever in sign language during that clip is crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, the thing is, is, like, he's done everything. Like, he's done comedy writing, he's done comedy acting. He's done stand up. Yeah. He's been a business.

[E]

Have you watched All Atlanta?

[B]

I need to.

[C]

Yes, absolutely.

[A]

That's what I was gonna tell y'. All.

[C]

Like, we was gonna get into y', all, like, full experience of being here, but that is, like, one of my favorite people, bro. Just. I don't. I don't have any, like, personal relation. And if you want to come on the show and you see this for whatever reason.

[A]

They asked me that. They asked me last night. Yeah, bro. Donald Glover, if you want to come.

[C]

On the podcast, bro, I know you don't do podcasts, so this be one of the first one. Hell, yeah, my nigga. Push up. We fucking with you.

[B]

It's a good one to be on.

[C]

We fucking with you on do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Cause, like, the thing about Atlanta is this is the first show that I seen. Instead of making a filler episode with the characters, just go completely and create a universe. Yeah, bro, that shit is ill. Season three is one of the illest TV series of all time. Just Atlanta Season three.

[B]

I've only ever seen a scene from it. Yeah, the bus scene from Alan Lovett, Atlanta. And I will say, just from that, like, if it's felt being here so far, it's felt like he did a really good job because, bro, that be.

[C]

Happening here is like. It is. It's not. It don't feel real. Something.

[B]

No, I don't.

[C]

Yo, I'm down, yo.

[A]

Yo, I'm downtown.

[C]

No, I'm outside. I'm out from the spot where we did the show at. And Shorty had walked up and she had asked me for some food or whatever, and I was like, I don't got no food. I got Sigs, though. Like, I got sigs and water. Like, that's what I can do. And so I just gave her some cigarettes and water. And then she was like, can my home girl get some water? I'm like, yeah, that's smooth. Go get her, cuz. I had, like, a mad case of water. And Shorty spun the block with the home girl. The home girl got one arm, and this. The thing. The part of the arm. The part of the arm that's, like, gone. Amputation mutated. That is out, bro. She. She. She on A she got on a spaghetti strap, son.

[A]

And I'm like, it's not, I'm not not saying hilarity.

[C]

I'm saying absurdity.

[A]

Like Atlanta is absurd, bro.

[B]

I feel like the thing about it is that I feel like Atlanta, what it, what it. What it did in the. The clip that I've seen is it kind of makes you morals ain't as like straightforward as something it's not. Bro, that would make me laugh in that scenario is not that. It's the fact that this will happen out the blue.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

You can't plan.

[E]

Atlanta is like high just when you sober. Like, we be going through high. We go through high. When we in Chicago, we'll be like, that was some high ass.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

And then out here it's been like, I'm not high. But it's.

[A]

No, it's just.

[C]

I don't know what it is. Like, the energy is just absurd.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

When we hopped out that Uber, when we went to.

[A]

Oh yeah, we went to the club.

[D]

And like, ass white man.

[A]

He have a good night. Have a good night.

[E]

This holding on to.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I remember. I just remember what bro said. Oh my God. We hop out the Uber and I don't know if it was. I don't know if it's white dude or Hispanic dude. You seen us open the door.

[A]

He have a good night.

[B]

We ain't get out the car yet.

[A]

He's like, stay safe.

[B]

I'm like, all right, cool. We get out.

[A]

Hey, it's the.

[B]

What do you say?

[A]

It's the Y ends of Atlanta or something. He didn't bo.

[B]

I didn't even hear that.

[E]

No, no, no, he did say that shit. That's why I looked at it home. I'm like, you better take that home. Like, I'm sorry, man.

[D]

Oh my God.

[A]

This ain't.

[C]

The very few interactions that you're going to have with white people are going to be absurd because it's like.

[A]

Because. Because them go.

[C]

They cuz they get up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like you ain't out drinking the whites, bro. Because it's a couple things you're not out doing. You're not out drinking a white man.

[C]

You'Re not out whoring out a white woman.

[E]

You're not wrong.

[A]

Oh my God.

[E]

You ain't never said.

[B]

When I was walking through.

[C]

I know my enemy.

[B]

I was gonna say it's real. Because I remember when I was. My college experience was my college experience was going to a PWI and then like my. My girl at the time Also was going to a pwi, so. So, like, the normal weekly experience was either at my school or at her school. You walking down the sidewalk and somebody's lit. Cause it's a college town that somebody's probably a group of white men. And they either throw in a Frisbee or, like, yelling in the middle of.

[E]

The road throwing a Frisbee.

[B]

I done seen niggas throw footballs across the cross.

[A]

It's a one that I'm like, you cannot stop me. Nah, I really fuck with white ingenuity. When they realized, like, white ingenuity is.

[C]

Like, damn, we ain't gonna get him at this sport. Let's just make a new sport.

[A]

Make a new sport. That shit be like, spike, spike, ball, cornhole. Like, they taking over tennis. Let's make pickleball. They got that, yo play spades the way white men play. Hacky sacky, sack real.

[B]

I ain't know.

[A]

Yo, how you figure this out? Like, where you. First of all, that's stolen. This is clearly like white soccer anyway. This is like white soccer. Like, it's like, ah, nah.

[C]

But you can't use your hands.

[A]

It's like, bro, get the fuck out of my face, bro. I seen a damn day. It was like, I seen a game.

[E]

I don't know what the called, bro. They was playing. It's like, you got two trees, and it's a. Like a suspended hoop in the middle of the.

[B]

I know what you talking about.

[E]

And you throwing that.

[D]

And I'm like, the Frisbee, right?

[A]

No, it's.

[E]

It's like a hoop. It's like a hoop, but it's suspended on, like, a. One of them little wires that move so it make it hard to shoot. I'm like, you is just doing it.

[A]

You remember, like, you oppress and you like, damn, I'm running out of ideas. You remember when was like, I want.

[C]

Is something that was popular, like, five years ago was like, white people with the trampoline on the wall.

[A]

Yeah, so they don't like that. They ill at that too. They super ill at that. And then the other thing was, like.

[C]

It was like, there's a long elastic band and they, like, balancing on it.

[A]

And I'm like, yo, I never in my life seen a do this. You were thinking, some point, I would see a recreationally do this in a park.

[B]

Have you seen, like, like, Olympic curling? Yo, that where they hit the. You dig? And they got the two people, bro.

[A]

Who came out with this. I used to do that.

[E]

I used to do that on a Wii and on. Jesus. I ain't never seen this in person to this day.

[A]

I was gonna say, well, first of.

[C]

All, like, when the last time you've.

[A]

Been around, like, concentrated ice travel to Russia off. You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Just an area of ice where nigga is practicing this.

[E]

You know, my. Our high school had a. My high school had an ice rink, though.

[C]

Tight.

[E]

We still had that, though, but still wasn't curling.

[B]

That's too white for even Hl.

[A]

That's like Norwegian. Like, that's really sloppy. That's a super white thing.

[B]

And I'm not gonna lie. It is. It's factual. Because you the. The sports change and the intensity changes based on region. When I. When I went to school in Springfield is the capital of Illinois. I ain't never seen take. I ain't never seen a group of people take cornhole and spike ball that seriously. I learned what spike ball was the first time going to that school. Mind you, this campus is 3,000 students and 2,000 more online, so I don't know why everyone is D1. At Cornhole.

[E]

We had.

[B]

We had like a. We had like, a thing called Spring Fest where, like, you make your own teams. It's a whole, like, end of year competition.

[A]

These was taking that cornhole competition. So they forced me to get better. I will smoke.

[B]

I'm confident I'll smoke 90% of. @ cornhole because of my experience.

[A]

And look, right, yo, first time I.

[C]

Played cornhole, I was throwing that like a basketball.

[E]

That's how I be doing it. I'm just throwing that, bro. St. Patrick's Day, we all St. Patrick's Day. We out. It was hella white people, right? In Chicago, this jj, we had like.

[A]

A crowd of white people.

[E]

Like, yeah, we playing corn on this.

[A]

J.J. in that.

[E]

Go to that. I just hit a lady.

[A]

What the hell in that? I'm. Damn.

[B]

It was the worst. It was the worst combination, though, because, like, I can only be good at cornhole from, like, a little lit. But, like, when. When. When. When.

[A]

When white people get lit, they start.

[B]

Throwing that bitch too hard.

[A]

So we was in the middle of, like, a crowd. It's just cornhole.

[B]

So it's like St Patrick's Day and everyone's just swarming around downtown Chicago. There's not like, everyone's just kind of chilling and the cornhole was in the middle of this thing and there's people just unsuspecting people with their drinks.

[A]

Yeah, I don't remember who threw it. I don't remember if it was it.

[E]

Was either either me or B. Or.

[B]

Yeah, or B. I don't know.

[A]

It was B.

[E]

No, it was B. Reckless ass.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, and.

[A]

And them white girls who came through.

[B]

Too, launching that heavy ass bean bag, mind you. And I'm like, there's people too drunk.

[A]

You can't dodge it if it hits you. You sober if that hit you. Cuz, like, even police bing bag around.

[B]

The.

[A]

Funny enough though, bro.

[C]

I'm in a. I'm on the beach in North Carolina, and it's these, like, Asians. Group of four Asians. They would like right there, which is supposed. I'm not paying attention to them. It's just like, oh, you just not as far as. All right, whatever. Pulled out the spike ball trampoline joint. Oh. And I was like. I wanted to go there and be like, model minority.

[A]

Why y' all doing this super white ass shit? Ain't this. Yeah, y' all on some super white right now, bro.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

And I'm not spike ball. So what is like? Like who like, yo, this is all drunk white shit. No, it is.

[E]

It is beer pong and all that beer pong fun.

[B]

I'll give you beer palm. I'll give you beer pong.

[A]

I don't understand.

[B]

I don't understand the purpose of spike ball. Because I'm like, okay, you hit the ball at the little trampoline, cool. But like, you got a 2V to it. And then everyone's like, running around in a circle and shit.

[A]

I'm like, that should look dumb as shit.

[D]

Spike ball is like a gentrified version a four square. Yeah, it gotta be.

[A]

It's white handball. White handball.

[B]

Because I'm like, yeah, I don't got the energy to.

[A]

Yeah, because like, white be doing, like, what's the they doing indoors with the tennis ball? That's white handball.

[B]

Scared of yo.

[A]

Because son, why we going into a building for this? It's mad walls out there throwing that with, like, hard, like, got gear for that.

[B]

You wonder what the funny part about it is, though. And I was gonna say it gets back to. I forgot which one of y' all said it, though. The thing with oppression.

[A]

What?

[B]

Remember Bert ley said like a long time ago the was like, white people be on life too. Because, like, they completed that. Now they just on to the next.

[A]

Because they already done did everything. If had the ability to grow and.

[B]

Develop all types of ass sports, we'll.

[A]

Be doing all types N. This would be happening be when be left left alone. It be like, you get hockey cuz was in Nova Scotia.

[C]

Just cooling.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Quite literally.

[E]

And then you get like the. The shadow boxing that everybody with like though you seen a whole little like.

[B]

I'm not going to lie.

[E]

Had to be high as thinking about that shadow boxing.

[B]

I done watch that shadow boxing evolved quicker than like any major.

[C]

I've never seen something hit the streets.

[B]

Like never see it. It wasn't even like that. I remember we had a. There's a. So we've been all doing like YouTube since we was like really little. So I think there's still a video up on my page where we must have been like 1514 and we did like a shadow boxing tournament. It was a completely different like format.

[E]

Before it was my mama kitchen just.

[B]

Yeah, before it was like you go one at a time or whatever. And now I'm watching it. I've seen a clip the other day. It was a dude sitting on stage at like a graduation and it was a. In the crowd his friend and they.

[A]

Get lost like in the middle of.

[B]

Them be going up down.

[D]

Then they take the camera, point it up. If you look at it, you're cook like they be doing some wild bro.

[A]

I'm seeing game is evolving. I can't play that no more. That like left me behind. I'm 21.

[E]

That like like Naruto signs.

[A]

They just be me doing that. Getting serious.

[B]

Getting serious with bro used to be laughing on the bus like like playing it. Now they just make your own stadium.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Oh my God. You got that. They going to have prize money for.

[A]

That in a second.

[D]

Did y' all see that one?

[B]

This.

[D]

This one sport that I just seen. It's like a group of that's.

[E]

I got.

[B]

It's one of.

[A]

Because the. Because of the game change. This nigga. He always got one one life game has evolved. It's no reason for that to be that funny. What the most bro.

[B]

It is not in an organized league.

[A]

Hey, they kill cam. That ain't what it is. Kill cam. They will put why we put. Why we make the phone. It was just say something real quick cuz one day these I you not they will be so confident in the direction their opponent is spend a look.

[B]

That they will pull out they phone.

[A]

Camera, use the phone to do it and then when they look they'll take a picture. No no. It's so funny cuz it's like doing N1 with yes. It's like a like doing a replays and yo. Oh my God bro. No I love bro like we the most creative people. Most creative yo, because that is nutty as. Oh, man. Hey, so y' all only been here.

[C]

For what, like, three days, huh?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Y' all came primarily. So what was the purpose of y' all trip?

[B]

Okay, so been here. Yeah. I'm about to say this is the second time. Oh.

[C]

Type shit. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Niggas hit me, like, the day before.

[C]

Like, we good tomorrow. I'm like, oh, hell yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Cause I know we've been talking about it.

[C]

Like, me and AB Be talking. Like, we was corresponding a lot. And I was like, but, bro, shit'll get lost on me quick.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I'm like, oh, I ain't got shit. Yeah. Hell, yeah.

[A]

And now I'm looking, I'm like, damn, we. Damn.

[C]

That damn show is today.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Tomorrow type shit. I'm like, yo, it's running.

[B]

That's the same way it is for us. I was gonna say we had to. I hadn't looked at, like, actually all the details and the itinerary shit till maybe, like, 12 hours before. And I ain't packed mods clothes to the night before.

[E]

12 is generous, gang.

[B]

No. Yeah.

[E]

I'm gonna give it a be. I'm keeping a bean, nigga. We was in that bitch. Like, I didn't. I don't think me and you knew what time. Cause we was packing till the flight. I don't think me and JJ Knew what time we was flying out.

[A]

I dead three hours, four hours.

[C]

Have not. Not packed the day before ever, ever, ever.

[B]

I wish I could be what you like a plant?

[E]

You do it. What is that like, bro?

[C]

Structure?

[A]

Prefrontal. Prefrontal. No, no. This wouldn't be like, this how I pack.

[C]

Like, I. I. So I got, like, a case for toiletries. Like, cologne, too. All my. Like that. And then I lay in the bed the night before, and I'm like, okay, this. That fit? Does that fit? Does that fit? I just fit. I just fit it out in the bed before I wake up. I'm. I'm. I'm grown, grown, grown. When it comes to the airport, I'm trying to be there two hours early.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, real grown. And I have.

[A]

Yo.

[C]

And then. Yeah, especially in Atlanta. And then even TSA might take 30 minutes, but, like, you never know, because if they put them dogs out, it's over.

[A]

But also, too.

[C]

I had lost my light, my. My license, so I was going up there, like, four hours early. Oh, because you got to do, like, this extra verifier.

[A]

Yeah, but.

[C]

And then just like, yo, when I lost my. It just so happened to be like I had three flights coming up.

[A]

Damn, that's almost missed the flight home from la.

[B]

Oh my God. No, that is the worst. Ever since they started doing that real ID too. Because like, ever since they started doing that and then that made me have to go like, switch and get a new id and it was in the middle of the time, I forgot where I had to fly. Yeah. I was like, I haven't got my yet.

[A]

I try to use my past. They do nothing.

[C]

They just.

[A]

They don't do. No, you just. You put the ID and they say it's not real. I did.

[C]

Well, you just gotta do extra screen. They just rub your hands.

[B]

Yeah. I was gonna say. Yeah. Every time. Every time.

[A]

I've had to do, you know the little explosive detector thingy, the little cloth.

[C]

They just rub your hands.

[D]

Yeah, it's like.

[B]

It's like a little. It's like a little like band aid looking thing. And they'll have you come over there.

[C]

Yeah. I'm like, yo, so this is super tight.

[B]

That was the. That was the best time. Most of the time they'll just do that. I remember there was one time I had. I think we had just moved and I had to get my address switched on my ID again. And I was coming back from Florida and I didn't.

[C]

I thought he was gone.

[B]

These had me there.

[E]

And it's J. William J.

[A]

You. Yeah.

[B]

Because they were still doing the. I think they were just now rolling out or they were finna roll out the real ID or something. But all I know is I had my temp on me because I just got the new. And shorty num. White woman did was like. I don't know if she thought. I don't know what she thought was about to happen, but she's like, all right, cool. So we gotta do a protocol. Usually like I say, you just get pulled like to the extra line and do your little screen. And I'm like, cool. She comes back out of a room with a binder.

[A]

Binder, yeah, binder dis. She come back out in the room. A binder enforcement situation with a binder. Any situation when you're dealing with a authority and pull a binder out your girlfriend binder. Wait, I met some slimy. Put a binder on you.

[E]

I didn't met some slimy. They show these Bill Ricos on them gang.

[A]

I'm telling you, bro, no tap, no tap.

[E]

I done met some slimy.

[B]

That's like the equivalent of.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So what happened so, yeah, so she.

[B]

Come out the back room with the binder, and she like, okay, so we got to go over protocol. I'm like, protocol.

[A]

She started asking me protocol. I'm like.

[B]

I'm like, they not going to let me get back home. She asked me about, like, my last address. If there's, like, proof that, like, my. My parents stay there, like, all. Genuinely. I don't know what the problem was. It was just. I had a temporary one, and I think by her protocol, she wasn't supposed to.

[A]

Oh, yeah. So that's what they'll do, though.

[C]

They just do extra screening. So, like.

[B]

So I'm like, yeah. So I thought that the extra screening was gonna be like, the little. Because I had it done before, and it was only a couple minutes. We are sitting there at this table. It's like we're on interrogation, but, like.

[C]

On the side, what that called. What's the Homeland Security table?

[B]

Yeah, Homeland Security table. So I'm like, all right, cool. She asking me, like, all the different information or whatever. I'm like, it's. It's a good, like, 20 minutes till I got, like, board the flight. So I'm like, shitting it that I'm actually not gonna let me go. Nothing. Nothing happened. They called, like, some random number that they had to get to verify the information.

[C]

Yeah, that's what I had to do. Like, and it was like, another adult that live in the house.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

What's their birthday? All right. Boom. Yeah.

[B]

And that was the first time that it happened to me. And I'm like, it's Florida. So I'm like, oh, I don't know.

[A]

If the differently down here.

[B]

So I'm like, oh. But now, like, they don't tweak now. They started doing the real ID stuff. But they will literally just like, ID you and o'. Hare. O' Hare is just like that, like, with the airport here, where it's. It's super busy all the time, so you got to get there a little early. We got in and this is our second time.

[D]

Yep. First time we came here, we did some shit with Linnae.

[C]

Oh, word? Yeah.

[A]

That was crazy.

[C]

Link up on the block.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So we. We did that last time, and then this time. Yeah, it was really just to come link with you. We was trying to see if we could link with anyone else while we was down here. I'mma drop it because we still want you to come on the damn show. Chase Shakur, we all fuck with his music. Heavy. We was trying to see if we could, like, Pull up on some people. But we going to be cool though.

[E]

Cuz Alan not here anyway.

[B]

Yeah, if, if we would have secured that now wouldn't have been here.

[C]

He been y y' all went to Revolt.

[B]

No, we have not been yet.

[D]

Vot is here in Atlanta.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm think now when y' all said Lynette. Cuz I've been on Revolt with Lynae twice. You know she got her own show.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[E]

That was my first time meeting her. Oh, word.

[B]

Yesterday.

[C]

Oh yeah. Tough, tough, tough.

[E]

I didn't come the first time with them.

[C]

I, I, I'm, I'm supposed to be on that season finale. This will be my, my third appearance on this season.

[B]

Yeah, I've seen a couple clips before. I'm like, yeah, we definitely got a team happen. I would love to do that where but yeah, we've been trying to find like a way to, to slowly build up because like jam is going really good. So now we was like all right, cool. We already done link with you before now here I'm gonna say and we've been talking about it since we've been here. I, I still love obviously Chicago. I'm from there, but I love Atlanta and just how it's like the way it's laid out and the way it look is just different than Chicago because everything is more like grid. Like it's a downtown city and then like the suburbs are like the suburbs. But the fact that like everything is kind of of like the, the, the hills, the layout, the weather here. This is great.

[D]

The graffiti art.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Fire street art is crazy.

[E]

There's so much more creativity in Atlanta than Chicago. Chicago is like, like going. Being in Chicago make you realize how like racist and kind of like oh shit, I'm still up north Chicago is versus like a Southern like, like Southern hospitality type city. You know what I'm saying? Like being down here, even like even like the streets got a charm to them. I feel like that's what it is. It's like it's not like, like it's like yeah, it's like it's not like it's like like crazy or no, but it's like it's beautiful. Cuz it's like bro, that would you say control, chaos. That's how it is.

[B]

It's literally like that's, that's what it looked like because we was especially for creative.

[E]

If you're a creative down here. Like I'm looking at places like all the time since we've been out Here, I'm like, bro, I was right there. I shoot right there.

[B]

We done seen, like, three people outside with cameras just in the middle of the night.

[E]

I know we be shooting every.

[C]

If y' all got. When y' all come again, man, y' all gotta. It's. It's. It's. It's touristy. But, like, the belt line. The belt line is lit. Yeah. Well, not only the art. Yeah, the art, though. The art on the belt line is crazy. But also just like, Crog Street. The art. Yeah. They have a whole tunnel just full of graffiti.

[B]

Damn. Yeah, we gotta.

[C]

Yeah, it's right there.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. Explore a little bit more.

[C]

Yeah. What's time y' all leave? Early. Early.

[E]

Early tomorrow morning.

[C]

Yeah. No, don't. Yeah, don't waste your time. Miss that flight, brother. Yeah, but. Yeah, I think my. That's, like, one of my favorite things, too, is just, like, when you start moving and you got a little motion, bro, the people you'll bump into and the shit that'll come from it out here is just, like. It just happened like that. Yeah. And just being outside.

[B]

Yeah. I was gonna say we, so. It's a crazy thing. I think I remember when I went to. I went to DC, I think, like, in May of, like, 2024. And I remember I met with my homie Josh. Josh Dawson of no bro. But he made content as, well, political content. And I remember he was telling me I was crazy that I hadn't been recognized for real because we were still living in, like, our OG crib. So I didn't really get recognized, like, going outside for social media stuff, whatever. And he was like, nah, if you move to the city, trust me, like, all that stuff gonna change. It went from that to, like, yesterday when we came here. Like, people recognize us from, like, the jam and everything here. We was just, like, in a random club, just cooling or whatever. And I'm like, that's love. Because it was also, like, our age demographic as well. We know from growing going out, like, in Chicago, it's harder to find sometimes, like, people who will be like, our age because we're really young in this shit. So, like, it'll be, like, older.

[E]

Like, older color, nigga.

[A]

Fuck. Like, every, bro.

[E]

Every club in the city, you either. You got two clubs. You got two types of clubs, right? Well, three types of clubs. You got the clubs in the city. They all. You got your rich ass.

[A]

They all.

[E]

Most of them.

[B]

The ones, yeah. Like, decent tow is cool, but it's some.

[E]

It's music ain't really There EDM and like, if you go to T. If like a coming or something.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[E]

There's some towel.

[B]

Was. I was about to say my experience with. With towel. Because I didn't. I didn't know like nothing about it besides Drake mentioning it.

[E]

And we went there, tell the girls to meet it.

[B]

We go to town.

[A]

I don't know. I ain't know what I was like expecting.

[B]

I'm like, all right, we.

[A]

We meet at town. I'm like, we here with it.

[B]

It was. I'm about to say the admission was crazy. Like crazy expensive, but like, it was cool the time we went because Gordo, who's a DJ who was working with Drake, he was there and he did like a pretty decent set, even though it was still like, like EDM and like house and stuff. Every other time we didn't walked in.

[E]

There, it's been like the other clubs is like. So you go to the like tunnel and like that. Yeah, if you go like tunnel, like Y bar, like cash or what is it Money Gun.

[B]

Those are good clubs.

[E]

Those are cool clubs. Like, oh, Davenport, Shout Out, Nicole. Those are good clubs. And then you go like west. Them is house parties.

[B]

You don't go to the house.

[E]

Can't go to the mouth.

[A]

Yeah, no, because I was gonna say.

[B]

I like how much. I remember we was. We've been driving around and I was saying how much Atlanta kind of reminds me of like the layout of a college town. Like there'll be some times where they'll have like there'll be houses and everything. And I remember usually like at a big college town, that's usually where all the parties would be. The big ass house parties.

[C]

Well, if you think about it, it kind of is though.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

It's right next to State. Yeah. Clark, Spelman, Morehouse.

[B]

Yeah. So like with Chicago, especially downtown, you're gonna definitely go to much more of a club thing as opposed to a. A house party. But we came here and that's why it was so refreshing, because it was like the first place we went to a house party. We went out Malo and they was. They was cool as hell.

[E]

Yeah, we got to go to a house party out here. Then next time we come up here or something. I don't know how the. We'd get into a house.

[A]

No, bro.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[A]

We'll.

[C]

We'll come especially, Especially this the thing, bro. Y' all got to come out here with no agenda for three days. Like not like, get here, stay a day, leave a day. I'm saying get here, stay for two, three days, and then leave. Because the way that y' all kind of maneuvering and the people that y' all kind of would, especially in y' all more in y' all age range, y' all ask me, I'm be like, bro, I be going to museums and shit.

[A]

That's real.

[C]

I'm 35, bro.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Y' all want to go to a gallery. I know it's popping at a gallery.

[C]

But the way that y' all moving and maneuvering, bruh, it'll literally just happen. Yeah.

[A]

Your whole.

[C]

Your next three days will just happen.

[A]

Because when you found the club yesterday.

[E]

Though, we just talked to one dude. He's like, yeah, there. We, like, all right.

[A]

That is what it is.

[C]

And it don't stop.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? You just keep it rolling. Yeah. If you. If you don't. If you, like, just come. No schedule, bro. You gonna have a time, bro, because you. Because you could just say, yeah. Yes to everything.

[B]

Yeah. What's the most, like. I'm curious. Like, what's the most, like. Like, I guess, random, like, experience you had? I guess most Atlanta, like, experience.

[E]

Atlanta experience.

[B]

Like. Like the show Atlanta, like wild. Wild ass.

[A]

Besides the one last night, I would say, bro, listen, I. I would say.

[B]

Like, East Atlanta Street.

[A]

You near it?

[C]

Actually, ma', am, if it was a few years ago, Peter, bro, like.

[A]

Just a little bit.

[C]

Just a little bit, I say, well, but you talking about, like, from personal experience. Yeah, bro, listen. Old National. So, like, I was. It's a crazy. Yeah, it's college. Okay.

[A]

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[C]

So look, this at the time where I'm trying to, like. I'm trying to come up. I'm with the girl. The girl stepdad sell weed. And so I spent the night. I'm just kind of peeping game of, like, where he putting his at? I'm knowing him a little bit too at this point, but I'm, like, on the out. I'm on.

[A]

I'm.

[C]

I'm on the beginning of being on the outs with her.

[B]

I can't.

[C]

Could just tell. So, like, bro had, like, two ounces of weed in the. I leave shorty house at, like, three in the morning. I creep out, that steal the weed, have my partner come get me. She stay on Old national. But we go. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna go back to the city, bunt this. I'm gonna Come up, bro. We go to the store. Literally marathon right down Old national, bro. I sell all the weed in like 50, 15 minutes.

[E]

Damn.

[C]

And I went in there to get a cigar and it was like, for your cigar, bro? Like, no, I went in there to get the cigar and bro was like, you got some weed? I was like, yeah, I got some weed. And I just stood out like that just had coming to my car. Like I kept coming back.

[A]

When I come, bro, I went from coming back. I went back to the. Bro was like a pop up. I literally. I literally came went back and forth.

[C]

In my car twice and was like, I'm just take all the weed. And then, bro, just. And I'm. And I'm not even like gramming my out. I'm just pinching off.

[A]

And to me, I don't really give a cuz I ain't pay for it.

[C]

So I'm just like, you get the.

[A]

Weed, you get the weed, you get the weed. And is just giving me dubs.

[C]

Like, here, dub, dub, dub, dub.

[A]

That's official. I dubbed it out like in 15 minutes, bro. That was insane, bro. I. I went and got back in my car and then like, bruh, it would felt weird. When I got back in the car.

[C]

I was like, bruh, it ain't even nobody here.

[B]

I'm about to say like, you like.

[A]

All these like all the weed smokers just spawn, bro, that had me tweaking the whole ride home. Like my homeboy was like. My homeboy that came pick me up, he was like, yo, what the just happened?

[C]

I'm like, bro, we ain't all national, bro.

[A]

These came out of a portal for.

[C]

Be coming through the cut.

[E]

You won't even know.

[A]

Yeah, you want to see. That's another. So that's another thing about Georgia is like, it is.

[C]

It is kind of like a green space, you know, Georgia in itself. So like a lot of times when you got apartments, they sit behind like they be some one way in, one way out. And you can only see the sign from the street. The rest of it is just covered in trees.

[A]

So like you'll just see niggas pop.

[C]

Up from out of woods.

[A]

I was literally.

[E]

I was talking about it to this nigga yesterday. I'm like, I feel like I'm scary in Atlanta, nigga. I was like, because though I'm so used to like in Chicago, it's not crazy visibility. Yeah, it's not like it's crazy, cuz not even where we live is crazy. And it's not as crazy as People say it is, but it's like growing up in Chicago though, you just. It's a visibility thing. It's like, okay, I'm on point, point. I'm on point here.

[A]

Walking around, you know.

[B]

You want to know what the it is because it is. Is literally just the visibility. Like the street lights.

[C]

That's the whole disc.

[A]

And when you get to a place like when you get to a place.

[C]

Like all national, you like, there's going to be a certain point where there ain't no more street lights.

[A]

Yeah, that's the same thing in Douglas though.

[C]

Like Douglasville. Like you just gonna get to like.

[A]

When you away from corporate, like when you get away from the target, the.

[C]

Street lights just disappear. My.

[A]

So you walk in darkness like you dead ass. Like, if you gotta walk home, you gotta walk in the dark like dead ass.

[C]

This where like nigga's senses start tweaking.

[A]

Like, yo, yo, like your hearing, like you feel like you hearing everything. Everything.

[B]

If you ever like. If you ever like walked on a trail at like night with like trees around, that's it. That's the like I'm. I'm like. I'm already like walk. I remember we had went. We had went outside like yesterday. I forgot. I think we went to like a shop or something and we was like just exploring because there's this place that's like right next to the cemetery that we had seen. And we. We was just out there because the store right across the street from it. So we standing out there, I'm like, it's no people here and it's just cars coming through, but it's no one parked. And then I see somebody just like walking home. Mind you, no sidewalk. I don't know when it's a straight road and you can see like the Capitol building. So you can see.

[A]

See something. You still don't see the pop up.

[B]

And you just walk and then disappear. I'm like, that's why. That's the thing. That's the Atlanta vibe. Because I'm like, I feel like. Because the visibility, it's just. It's cool. As though like if you hear because be chilling like obviously if you know what you know, you know. But like in Chicago, because the street lights is there, it helps you. Although still do be weird. I didn't seen that. That's the high is people talking about.

[E]

It's not even for me. It'd be literally just like, bro, you just stay on point out there and you stay on.

[B]

On point everywhere.

[E]

But it's like if there's no lights out here and I don't know streets. It's like I'm like, I told them, I'm like, I want to walk because I'm the type of where like I be standing when I, you know, when we vacation or whatever it is. But it's like when I. When I go on vacation, I want to go out, I want to go walk around. I just, you know what I'm saying? Whatever it is, I'm telling them, I'm like, I don't know if it's safe to walk around because I just. I don't know the streets. I don't know how is around here and is popping out of woods, popping out of anywhere.

[B]

But I will say the thing I with thing with about it though is that it kind of gives you that like privacy. Like if I was from here or whatever, I would just be chilling.

[A]

I know, bro.

[E]

I love it. I told him, like, bro, I know all immediately from coming here the first time. Like, I'm already knowing I love living out here.

[A]

Yeah. Because like, this is another thing about.

[C]

Being out here is like when you in the house, you're in the house.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like it don't feel. Even if you stay in an area that feel congested, it won't feel like it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because like be minding their business.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Because the. The fact of it, like Atlanta always been like that. It's just like a very hospitable place where people just stay in their line. Like, you only going to run into problems when you step on people's toes.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, and the nigga going to make that very apparent that you stepping on they toes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's going to be the like with the. A twin.

[C]

Check this out.

[B]

I want to say what they say to you when you know you.

[C]

So I don't. I'm not from this era. Yeah, I'm.

[A]

I'm from the. I'm from the. I'm from the. I'm from the. I'm from the. Now listen, I'mma tell you, bro, if.

[C]

A say this to you, man, you trying me. Shouting guns are gonna come out.

[B]

Yeah, that's that already.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Cause a might, man, you trying me, bro.

[A]

Might have that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Contemplating how much time you want to do.

[B]

Yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing that I feel like. I feel like. I feel like in Chicago, I feel like in Chicago they. They more active. They. They'll close the gap. So like, that's why.

[A]

Check it out.

[D]

Check it out, shorty. It's over with at that point.

[A]

He's like, right here.

[E]

At least you got the like, you.

[A]

Know what I'm saying?

[E]

In Atlanta you got the like, I think the, the. One of the, the major things that we noticed immediately. We driving and I see a gas station, everybody, you know what I'm saying? The whole gas station filled. Everybody a black or just like black in general, bro. I'm like, I ain't never smiled that hard because in Chicago you don't see like that.

[A]

But it's literally every day everywhere. And that's, that's why like I was.

[C]

Telling y', all, like, we be spoiled by this.

[A]

Our police be black.

[C]

So like sometimes like, bro, unless you just like out here that be police and they be acting weird. It's cause they weird. It's not cause they cops. Because like you're gonna run into like, you'll run into a fine ass cop and she'll be like, boy, you know, you know, you know your ass ain't supposed to be driving with this like, right? Man, get the on and like I can't waste my time with paperwork.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

But say that Atlanta got that, like you said, the hospitality. Yeah, they got like the hospitality versus like Chicago, bro. Them should be on that like is angry.

[B]

I was gonna say, because they so much. There's so much.

[A]

I ain't gonna lie. The general vibe out here be cool.

[B]

Yeah. I don't say because there's.

[A]

Yeah. And it's so much of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like that like the, the, the amount of money and pussy out here is.

[B]

Just like talked about it because like a lot of people went from Atlanta to Chicago during like the 1900s. And it's like, because there's so much concentrated like black wealth here as well. You see like everything in Chicago. You see the white people, you see black people, Hispanic. But like when you come here, you realize like we're kind of thinking about it. It's kind of like, it kind of makes you realize what's possible.

[E]

Yes. For black, it's not a people thing. It's the possibility because the people, because it's the freedom.

[B]

Black people like in Chicago don't have. Like, it's not like hella concentrated wealth there, but like in, in Atlanta you see like everything. It's right in front of you. It was rare seeing like five cars that like, it was just, it seemed like it was just black men just by themselves. All like nice cars filling up at the gas.

[C]

Nah. Yeah, they be cooling, bro.

[B]

As five hellcats.

[A]

Five little pull ups. Yeah.

[E]

Related.

[C]

Yeah. Do y' all got like, like, slingshot old heads out there?

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

We be flying them. Okay. So I think.

[C]

I think the slingshot overhead is universal.

[B]

Entity on four wheelers and dirt bikes, yet just run. Just randomly run.

[A]

We. We get like. We get like.

[D]

That's like, rare in Chicago.

[E]

It's rare. But you do get the. You get the dirt bike sometimes, but it's not like how it is out here. Like Philly or some.

[B]

Usually if you get the dirt. Dirt bikes and everything. Yeah. You'll have them in like a pack. It'll be randomly. They'll go down. But the slingshots are a constant. They will always be playing Pineapple.

[A]

Playing the weakest Rick Ross song you ever heard. What is the dice? Dice, Pineapple, Chris Brown.

[D]

Juvenile everything.

[C]

Yeah. I wanted to ask y', all, though, like, as far as this comeuppance that y' all have experienced, I know that y' all are still like new faces to the public, so to speak. Even if y' all been doing y' all things with social media and just like, making attempts, you was the first one to, like, really take that shit through the roof. So I, like, you may be a little bit more accustomed to the attention, but what is it like when. Because the content on the jam is completely different than the content you do. Cause I think the assumption is that it's gonna be more of this debate style thing that you do solo. It's refreshing to see you with your people, though, and. Because it's like, it humanizes you. Right. Because how intelligent you are is gonna make people think you a dickhead.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because really. Cause you really be frying niggas.

[B]

And that's the thing that is so happy that I'm with these niggas. Because we've talked about that. Exactly. I feel like the problem is, especially in the PODC and a lot of the weird niggas who've been in the podcast space is that, like, everyone is kind of like talking and trying to be a dickhead just to be a dickhead. Yeah. As opposed to, like, trying to lay out an argument and trying to get a pointed across and try to make you see why I came to the conclusions that I came to.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I feel like that was the next thing because I feel like too many niggas get trapped in that, like, TikTok online debate culture to the point where, like, you don't even know what you debating for now. Just yelling. We found out 10 years ago that these is. Is racist and stupid and people will still Be.

[A]

It does not make sense to me.

[C]

Like, oh, oh, breaking news. The white people are racist.

[A]

So where have y' all been? Oh, my God. Breaking news. What a genius. Boat found in water.

[B]

Like, so.

[A]

This said this last time.

[C]

25 max. All right.

[A]

We saying the most self explanatory.

[B]

So I remember we had talked about it. It was like, just basically trying to give people, like, the. The real that we kind of live and have been experiencing also the reasons why we think the way we do. And I feel like it is kind of. It's kind of like put us all on the same level when it comes to preparation for this. Because I didn't realize how different, like, podcast, I guess motion is when you lay out, when take that, like, extra step, you, like, try to lay out, like, more shit about your personality and your life or whatever. Like, it does. It does humanize, and it makes it a lot easier. And it.

[C]

It also creates a real relatability, right? Because I think you. The thing about content creation, social media is niche. So normally you only expressing one side of yourself, one aspect of who you are. I think that's why it was easy for me to make the transition because, like, I was fully grown up. You know what I'm saying? I was 32 or I was 31 when I started making content. And, like, at all, period. So, like, I didn't have a niche. I was just gonna, like, I. I'm talking about everything. I'm talking about movies, I'm talking about music. I'm talking about funny shit. I'm talking about ignorant shit. I'm on my smart. I'm on everything. Because, like, this is who I am.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

The podcast, especially being with Big Cat, it's just like I'm with a friend. So it's like I get to just. I'm comfortable in showcasing the full spectrum of who I am. And I see that a lot with you. And it's actually, like, parasocially, I feel like, okay, I know enough about these niggas. Like, where when we meet up in reality, it's just, like, seamless. Cause it's like y' all are who y' all are on the Internet and in real life.

[A]

And that's like the ill part too.

[C]

Because I think the hardest thing is meeting niggas and. Oh, this a character.

[A]

Oh, this was a.

[C]

You out here. WrestleMania.

[B]

You on WrestleMania doing the weird shit.

[E]

I think, like, I was gonna say the cool thing about. I think I always talk about, like, the story of how, like, him blowing up first. I felt like it just made sense, bro. And not only did it push all of us to continue to keep, you know what I'm saying, Like, doing our own content shit in general, but also, like, we help each other with different things now because it's like I becoming this all the time with, like, even just the things you. You start to think about as your name is now in the public, like, for real, and like, yo, your image is in the.

[A]

For real.

[E]

Like, how you deal with this or like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that. And then on his part, we're getting. We're getting the first, like, like, the podcast blow up and that motion that come with it. So on his part, it's fun to see him, like, geek out over the same, though, because, like, we remember, like, when you was in your dorm and, like, that we remember that it was nothing like how it is now. So it's just like, I feel like we just. We. We help each other in that aspect, I think.

[B]

Yeah. Because. Because it comes with a ton. I was gonna say he is, like, more. More of the. I guess because, I mean, prefrontal. So he. So he's kind of like. And when it comes to the motivation, because it's like, when it's a lot, it's weird dealing with this shit. Like, at 21 and at, like, 24. It really is, because it's like a. The peers are. No one is, like, our age in the space generally. So your peers are. Yeah, your peers are all much more, like, older and mature. Right. So it's like. But we're kind of in a position where I think we're each very mature for, like, our age. So there's, like, that dissonance where you kind of going back and forth between, like, growing responsible people shit. But also, like, let me live a little. And I feel like he helps provide, like, a really good balance of that because he's, like, very mission focused. I think each of us have different strengths that makes it, like, work out.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It was just me by myself doing, like, the podcast or even, like, with one other person. I feel like it's much more, at least at my age to, like, handle that, like, anxiety with that.

[D]

The reason why I'm, like, really mission focused is because I was in that position. Position where it's either you gotta make this shake.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Not.

[D]

Or you're not shaking.

[A]

So.

[D]

Yeah, that's what I try to, you know, instill in everybody, because I already know they young as hell. Like, they just left high school, like, a couple years ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So they gonna get some stuff. They probably not gonna get some stuff.

[C]

But, you know, I mean, but it's a. It's a good. It's a good thing that y' all had that balance, too. But also, y' all got a familial connection, so.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

It's. Y' all conflict resolution with each other is totally different because y' all done probably squared type.

[B]

I'm gonna say. I haven't, like. We haven't, like, fought or, like, almost fought in, like, a long time because, like, we kind of went through the. Because we were kind of kidding.

[A]

That's what I was saying.

[C]

Like, y' all did all that as literal children.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

To me, though, like, what's the. What's been one of the more, like, surprising aspects of this for each one of y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

You can start AV Actually. Oh.

[C]

And this could be, like, a thing that's just exciting or just like. Or just something that surprising about, like.

[E]

Just the situation or each other.

[C]

Anything.

[B]

Jam. All types.

[D]

I'll say the most surprising fact to me is there's a couple of them. One being recognized is like, yeah, I've been doing the social media since, like, 2020, when we.

[E]

When we first started.

[B]

Because you was doing vine and shit before, back in the day.

[D]

I don't even remember that shit. I did a couple of little vines and shit. But, yeah, getting noticed in public because of the podcast is ridiculous, because that's something that I've never thought would be possible. And then I think the second one, it's just like, I really. It's like, all of us have a role to play on the podcast, and it fits so perfectly together.

[B]

It's crazy, like, the extent to which it ends up, like, it ended up working. And I was gonna say about the conflict resolution and everything. And this is a big thing about going even back to not being perceived as a dickhead, even though we're in a controversial space, that it's the most important thing in the world for niggas to have, like, homies, actually, like, genuine homies, because I feel like a. I feel like it's a good source of, like, confidence when it comes to, like, believing in your own shit whenever you chart in the world. But also, like, it makes it more likely that you can do shit like this, because that confidence that you have in yourself, like, if you don't, the people that you have around you is super important in that regard. But I think something that's been surprising about it has. Has been, like. I think it's similar to what you said, how well it's kind of worked and how much people have fucked with it is the first thing. Because, like, you never. You get those anxieties about having four people being on different pages, different mindsets or whatever, and, like, creative differences or not wanting to get in the way of each other. And I want to hurt anybody, like, pride and anything. So the fact that it has worked that way because we've, like, kind of trained and wanted it to happen for so long is really cool. But the other thing that I didn't really, really peep is, like, the reality of this shit. Like, the.

[C]

The.

[B]

The. The weight that comes with everything. And the. The, like, I be looking sometimes even, like, just where we were able to move out, like, and come to the city and try to do shit or whatever. And the way, like, we travel sometimes or get, like, offer certain opportunities, and I'm like, what the hell? Like, it's still, like, still today's day. There is not like a. Because. Because when you've been wanting to do something for, like, so long, you don't. You tell yourself that you can visualize when it's gonna happen or whatever, but, like, to have actually see it, it's insane. Yeah. A lot of people don't get to experience that, so that's why I always, like, get taken aback by it still.

[E]

I was gonna say the same thing. Damn near was the. I think just the time everything's happened in, like.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

The fact that. Yeah. With the jam in general.

[A]

Whoa.

[E]

Yeah. The jam itself is, what, eight months old? Some like that. The.

[B]

February 19th. Yeah.

[E]

February 2025. The content. Content, obviously, like, they were saying, we've been doing content for the longest, but we moved to Chicago August of 2024. That was when I quit my job. That was when he dropped out of college. That was when we all decided to do this shit. To be here is like. He talks about, like, the. The reality of the shit. I think what did it for me was when we got the crib. Cause, like, envisioning and manifesting and all of those things. You hear it and it. You know what I'm saying? And you do it. Maybe. Like, I used to manifest all the time. Like, I'm in my notes, like, we got to get this apartment. We got to end this in my mama house. But being there, take you out your body because it's like, whoa. Like, wait, wait. So I'm putting my mind to. No, like, for real. Like, if I'm putting my mind to the shit, and. And we locked in and everything's squared off. Like, we could really achieve whatever the we want. And it's in this time. And that's even aided us in that, like, conflict resolution and shit like that. Like that. Because it's like we have those moments all the time. Like, I say something to jj, I'm like, especially growing up, we was all frying. But, like, I'm the. That, like, was. Was.

[B]

Was that taking that too hard?

[E]

I'm the type of where it's like, we frying it. Like, you know, when they go low, I go lower. So, like, that was spiral. And then want to box and.

[A]

But. Yeah, no, for real. And.

[E]

And. But like, you had it.

[A]

You.

[E]

I had to grow out of that living with and. And being around these as well. Because it's like, now we have conversation about that all the time. I talk to them. I'm like, okay, did I. If I made this joke or I said something, did that affect you in this way? And those are the things that you get, not only just being around each other, but, like, really deep and like, oh, if we're good, like, as a collective, if we're good and the four of us are on the same. You know what I'm saying? Wavelength, my nigga. We could really run this shit and do whatever the fuck we want to do.

[C]

It's a huge maturation process.

[B]

Yeah. And I was going to say especially because, like, when you think about. I think one of the things trips me out is, like, the statistics of it. Because, like, we are obviously, we young black men, but, like, none of us have a college degree. Yeah, my nigga Alan, I wish he was here.

[D]

I went to college for criminal justice. I don't know what the fuck I was doing.

[A]

Nah, it's real shit.

[C]

You looking for a career, though, bro?

[B]

Because at one point. At one point, I wanted to be.

[D]

The career, to be real, to be honest. Like, I went to.

[A]

I went to college.

[D]

The only reason why I went to college, because my OG wanted me to go.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

The major that I took was because of the shorty that I was with at the time. Her family was all police officers and shit. So I was like, oh, let me.

[B]

You know.

[A]

Yeah, that's real.

[C]

But, like, that is, like, that is a. That's that's so easily understood.

[B]

Yeah, because.

[C]

Because it's like, when you don't have direction, you just look to success.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Like, if I don't have an idea what I want to do to myself, do for myself, bro. I was working For a dude detailing cars. And I was, oh, maybe I'll detail cars.

[A]

Because you just see the success.

[C]

Like, he's even one of the richest black men in Douglasville. And, you know, like, generationally, his dad was a cop, so it's like, okay, he didn't go to cop route, but he opened up a mobile detail service. And now he, like, the big. He's the. When it comes to this. Like, he. All the rich people come to him for their business, which has made him rich. And it's like, oh, maybe I'll just do that. But it's like, think about the sheer possibility of it and the probability it's.

[B]

The same thing it was for me with law because initially I was going to school and I was studying in.

[C]

Law, and you'd be an ill lawyer.

[B]

Yeah, I still. I still. I think I believe that I would.

[C]

100 hire you as my lawyer.

[A]

Not like now.

[B]

I appreciate.

[A]

I was gonna say that opening statement.

[C]

You're a cooker.

[A]

I was, boy.

[B]

That's my thing. That's the one thing about. About being lawyer that was like, kind of interesting to me was that, like, I would. I feel like I would love to be, like, in a trial. And I feel like, yeah, yeah, that's the thing. But the other thing that I wasn't so sure about was also, like. Like, I know that. That. I mean, the schooling is one thing. I've always been, like, pretty decent with school, but, like, I. I really have to be focused and, like, interested in a topic or else I'm not. I was taking nutrition as a GED to, not as you. As a general education thing my freshman year. Did not finish that fucking class. Like, Like, I just was not a nutrition nigga. But you give me the law, you give me the sociology. I got you. Yeah, so. But I did. I did realize at a certain point that I didn't think I wanted to go, like, corporate lawyer route or, like, what that avenue looks like. Immediately after I did know that I really wanted to, like, do this shit. I already love doing, like, research, political shit or whatever. So it made. When that. When that decision came to, like, not go to school, it was obviously, like, a hard decision, but we kind of each were able to kind of like, just try to bank on the. That we wanted to do, like, in this regard for now.

[D]

And I always told this nigga, I'm like, look, you going to school for law, That's. That's fire. Whatever path you take, nigga, I'm gonna be there anyway, so.

[B]

And I was gonna Say about the thing with the success stuff and, like, not knowing your path, especially, like, as a younger. As a younger man, it was like, I. I felt like I liked law, but it was mainly because my. My mom, who also, like, was following that model of success, like, get your education, go to school, whatever. Constantly reinforcing the, like, go to school. So since I was. Even before I was in high school, I was like, yeah, I'm going to college already. And having, like. I was gonna say it's one of those things where it kind of, like, it tests what you really consider to be, like, intelligence and not. That's the. That's the real thing that I grapple with when it came to that, because you live your entire life being, like, told that, like, that's the way to success, whatever. And then not having that college degree, kind of, like, it says something like, you less than or you didn't finish it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So, like, I remember dealing with all was, like, a lot, and it was a lot for us to deal with because we all, like, 20 and trying to figure out, like, all right, cool. What's the path forward in this? But that is that one thing that we all could, like, rely on is that belief that, like, okay, we've proven that we understand this to at least a certain extent, so let's see if we can do something with it and then bang out the jam happen. So it's like. So it's like, y' all killing. It's one of them things.

[C]

So, like. Or day before yesterday, I was on yours. That was funny. It was just a good time, bro. Like, I think some of the better podcasts is. Podcast slash interview is like, I want to go a space. And it's like, there are questions, but there is just conversation.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Like, questions are just guiding points for conversations instead of, okay, this question. Answer. Ask an answer.

[B]

Ask an answer that should be like, yeah, I be seeing. And that's the thing is that you learn that, too, like, in this shit. The thing about being in it and being so new, at least in podcasting, is that, like, we kind of. Of don't have a mindset of trying to follow, like, any given thing we see beforehand. So we.

[E]

Yeah, we just jumped into it.

[B]

Is that additional. Is that additional, like, thing that I'm. I'm sure y' all are familiar with, like, trying to make some, like, popular like yourself through your own thing. It's kind of like, we are the thing that you. You like, selling to people, right? So, like, That I feel like that kind of allows you to take a lot more, like, creative freedom, because it's like, all right, bro, we got to make some way to get this shit about the mud for sure. And, like, I think the thing that we tried to go for combining, like, all of our niches as well, that's kind of like a background thing, because, like. Like you said, the conversation and everything is first, and that dynamic kind of, like, shines through. Yeah, I had my. Like, you don't have your doubts about it, but I remember when was in the early stages, it's like, fuck, you don't. You know, you don't know. If you go, like, stutter, fuck up, all types of.

[D]

It's like, it's four niggas, and I. I already know that he likes to talk a lot. He likes to talk a lot.

[B]

Allen, he's, like, in the middle, and.

[D]

I'm probably, like, the less talkative out the group. So, like, when it all came together, it's like we all played our individual role. We know that he can get into detail with a lot of. He can explain a lot of better than I can. Alan can do the same thing.

[B]

And that's. So that's. That's one.

[C]

It's really a great dynamic, bro, honestly.

[B]

And I feel like a lot of niggas, like, be fucking themselves over when they feel like they have to do everything. That's the one. Yeah, you don't.

[C]

You like a point. You point guard. You like a slasher.

[E]

No, real slasher.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Because you controlling, and you know when the passing want to shoot.

[A]

But you a dunker.

[C]

He's a dunker. You a center.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you do the nasty work.

[C]

And island is more of a power forward. Like, he got some offense, but, like, his is really brute shit.

[A]

Y' all really the dynamic sitting there.

[C]

Like, really weaving through the. The thought process of, like, how y' all are. I want to ask y' all one final thing before we get up out of here. Have y' all collectively discussed, like, what the overall goal for it is? Is it still too early to think about that? Y' all think. And y' all just. In most.

[E]

We be talking about that shit. We've been talking about that shit since.

[C]

Y' all smart. Y' all smart. If y' all don't want to leak, because I'm. I like that, too. I don't kind of. I kind of don't publicly tell niggas where my. Where my shit going.

[E]

I go into it a little Bit like, well, the jam started, right? We just kind of went over how it started.

[B]

It started as just like us and like the shit that we fuck with.

[E]

So like, I think it's not. No, like it's. I wouldn't say it's like like roadmap fully or no shit like that yet, but definitely like in terms of like the shit we want to do with the jam, like, we want to take it like, like real bit like network style shit and then just play off it through that creative agency. Like all types of shit that go through just the jam as, you know, the brand name, but also just.

[B]

Cause like, bro, we all fuck with that shit.

[E]

Like, we wanted a creative agency when we were 16 years old, we couldn't get it. We wanted to podcast when we were 16 years old, we couldn't get it. You know what I mean? Now it's like we, at the time now where it's like, okay, now we know when we do get like, you know what I'm saying? We can say it. We can get shit like if we do like a jam foundation or some shit like that. Definitely wanted. We've talked about that and we definitely, definitely want to like push money into communities or like even just awareness. Do shit with like grassroots organization, shit like that. I think it's just like the jam for us is just like, it's us. You know what I'm saying? It's who we fuck with. It's what we fuck with. So it's like, obviously you got J, William J. And his bitch, you got Avery and this bitch. You got me, you got Alan. It's like once you start to look at all the shit we fuck with, it's like, okay, naturally we would start investing into those things that we fuck with and shit like that.

[C]

I think, I think I'm gonna end the conversation how I wanted. It started when I was discussing how I formatted the live show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y' all gotta understand this. We was talking about this in the car last night, that you're not a product, you're a person, right? So you can't sell yourself, right? Like, if we work and we had something that was like, let's say I made a product and Microsoft says sees the benefit of that product, so they wanna buy it and you become uber rich out of nowhere. I think that' an amazing play. I think as individuals, that's not a route that we can take because corporations are going to repackage you into what you want to be and they have an idea of what archetype of black. They want you all to be right. So think about yourselves first as a media company. Right? Always first. Like, you are media. You are a black media company. Grist and eggs.

[B]

The.

[C]

The branding in itself is culture, unfiltered truth. Right? So if. If I do anything in the media space, it has to be reflective of that, which is why this makes perfect sense. Right? So the game that I got for y', all, especially when y' all get into this space of, like, doing live shows and things about that, remember, like, you already have it laid out. You know what black media looks like in magazines. You know what black media looks like in daytime television. You know what it looks like in late night text television. Incorporate all those aspects into your show, because niggas ain't doing that. You know what I'm saying? Nobody's doing a live recording and then making it an episode. They would just sell the tickets, and then that would be tour shit. But there hasn't been many live recorded podcasts that are just episodic. There hasn't been late night shows that are episodic, and there's never been a daytime television aspect to it, where we going into the crowd with the mic and having them answer questions, having them ask. So take everything that you know about media and incorporate into it. So when the jam podcast is a part of jam media, you dig what I'm saying? Because all y' all have different aspects. You can definitely go the political route. You already get into your streamer bag. Whatever route you decide to take with yours, you gonna take it there, and you have a platform to do that. So, bro, thank y', all, too, for just pulling up and having me come on y'. All. Shit. And thank y' all for coming, brother.

[B]

Of course. Thank you for having us. I was gonna say. I was gonna say, outside of even that, I think the other thing. Or there's a million goals, I feel like. But one of the other things that I think about is that I kind of want to. Like. One of my goals has been to try to help create a funnel that, like, wasn't there for me when I was younger. Yeah. And, like, trying to break through this, like, assumption that niggas have that, like, you can't talk about politics because either A is not cool or B, you know, I'm watching the dollars. So I don't want to. So I'm a compromise and not say on what I believe. And I. And I also want to kind of, like, at. With the jam, kind of provide an avenue where people buck that and also are still, like, cool for sure. Like, people get up. The people who get up every day and, like, help to change this are also people who live lives and shit. So, like, you might as well come see everybody lives. Come see how people. Come see how we chilling. Because we still normal people.

[A]

Yeah. Because everyday life is cool.

[B]

Exactly. And it's.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[C]

I think a rigid reality is bullshit.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Exactly. So you might as well shift that bitch around.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, y' all are at the, like, listen, bro, y' all are the first in your generation. You know what I'm saying? You gotta understand that. So I think the most important thing is that we here.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? I know. Like, when we. When I was in Chicago, it was like a brief link up. But I'm glad we made this shit happen, bro. Oftentimes that should be lip service and it don't happen.

[B]

I can't tell you.

[C]

And we had to cross collaboration too. So I. This would be probably my first time where it was a actual cross collaboration where I was on y', all showing y' all was on mine. So that. Well, Mecca Jamila, too.

[B]

Yeah. This is our first time doing some like this too. And it was crazy. Like seeing. We've been seeing your. And your success like this entire time too. So it's like I knew. I knew at some point the link wouldn't happen. It's so crazy that we already. So thank you for having.

[C]

Yeah, for sure, bro. I think an important part is to continue it, though.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[C]

Yeah, we have to, like, continue to immerse our brands together. Cause if we will. And that's all black media, like podcasts, coalition building. Coalition building within ourselves. Because this is how you get a Source magazine. This is how you get an Essence, a Ebony magazine, a Jet magazine. This is how you get a bet.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Because start here. This is independent media. And also too just like dictating the posture of it.

[B]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[C]

I don't gotta sit here and compromise my language. But I'm gonna talk. I want to talk.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because the obvious part of it is people understand it.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

And y' all keep doing your thing, bro. Thank y' all for coming.

[B]

Del Reno, Breakfast Club on some.

[A]

Shout.

[C]

Out Charlamagne and Black Effect.

[A]

You know what? Fuck it.

[C]

We're gonna drop it Wednesday. So this is episode 88.

[B]

That's ain't my favorite number.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

That is crazy.

[B]

Shout out my nigga Allen as well.

[C]

Infinite Square, bro. All right, this been Grisnet's podcast. Episode 88 with the Jam podcast. Y' all plug y ourselves and then we'll get up out of here.

[B]

Yes, sir. You can find the jam pod on any Single platform.

[D]

Platform.

[B]

YouTube, Spotify, Twitch. Not Twitch, Acast, all that. Yeah. You find J William J and J William J8 for my personal. On all platforms.

[D]

So which camera?

[B]

This camera right here.

[D]

Yes, sir. AB the artist. On all platforms.

[E]

What, you all met? On all platforms. W y o met. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yes, sir. And thank y' all for rocking with us.

[C]

Thank you, Tristan. Play the AB Solas, though, man.

[B]

It's just raps.

[A]

I just want to rap. They say without the proper labor faith.

[B]

Don'T stand a chance I put my.

[A]

Faith in faith and stand on fertile land I planted seeds Adeline D Turning the trees before Rest in peace Tease get printed to me.