Year End Wrap Up Ft. Wayno & Adri

Summary

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Grits and Eggs Podcast

Year End Wrap Up Ft. Wayno & Adri

Host: Deante’ Kyle
Guests: Wayno & Adri
Date: December 30, 2025

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Overview:

This episode of Grits and Eggs Podcast is an unfiltered year-in-review for hip hop and pop culture. Host Deante’ Kyle, returning guest Adri (from Cooking for the Culture), and Wayno dig deep into the triumphs of southern lyricism, debate the best albums and artists of 2025, discuss creative evolutions, address hip hop discourse, and candidly examine who gets to shape narratives within the culture. The tone is sharp, genuine, humorous, and passionate—true to the show’s vibe of celebrating and critiquing Black music on its own terms.

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Key Topics & Discussion Breakdown

1. Southern Lyricism & Misconceptions in Hip Hop

• Atlanta’s Reputation for Lyrics:
  • Wayno debunks the myth: "I hate the misconception that Atlanta don't like lyrics. That's a lie." (00:53)
  • The crew sets up 2025 as a year of championing "Southern lyricism" and building their own “music club” for in-depth album conversations (see the Les Music Club Journal gift exchange, 04:06).

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2. 2025 Hip Hop Highlights: Favorite Albums, Rollouts & Live Experiences

Key Albums:

• Freddie Gibbs – "Alfredo 2"

  • Adri: "I've been waiting on Alfredo 2 since 2020... The thematic cohesion... the Japanese influence... honoring history while embracing the future." (05:36)
  • Deontay: "Alfredo 2 was my personal favorite album of the year." (12:49)
  • Wayno: “He has one of the best discographies in hip hop of all time.” (11:24)

• Eclipse (Clipse) – Reunion Album

  • Wayno: "One of my favorites…to see it come together the way it did, it just felt perfect... I was just more happy that we got Malice rapping." (06:11)
  • Adri on live show: "The energy in the room... most intensity leading up to them walking out that I've seen in a long time." (07:17)
  • The group highlights Malice’s powerful on-stage presence and the long-awaited resonance of the album—for fans, it’s become a generational moment.

• Show Experiences:

  • Deontay: "Being on stage at the Freddy Gibbs show was... overwhelming. This is my favorite rapper, Low Key." (10:57)
  • Adri: Emphasizes the balance of "history and future" and the importance of legacy acts returning without losing relevance.

• Other Favorites:

  • The Great Escape (Alchemist & 2 Chainz & Larry June): mixed opinions—strong preference for 2 Chainz, with June’s delivery critiqued for being “lazy” though atmospheric (14:02–15:43).
  • Boldy James: Acknowledged for work ethic, but discussion ensues about the cost of dropping too many albums and "fast fashion era" of music (17:09–18:56).

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3. Debate: Album Quality vs. Quantity in Streaming Era

• Adri: “A lot of these albums that are just getting thrown out, they're just a collection of songs. There's not much intention behind it.” (18:32)
• Wayno: “You gotta be seen 15 times to be seen once... but I’m not mad when people go into themes.” (17:12)
• Critique of “fast fashion” in streaming—preference for carefully curated albums over constant drops.

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4. Production, Imperfection, and Standout Moments

• Pharrell’s Role on Clipse Album

  • Deontay & Adri debate positives and negatives of Pharrell’s singing/production.
  • Wayno: “Do y'all think... there has to be some sort of level of imperfection?” (22:14)
  • Opinion: Imperfection can add character, but there are moments ("the Dream shit") that initially divide them but grow on listeners.

• Hook of the Year?

  • Deontay: "Could we call Fico hook of the year?" (23:15)
  • Adri: “His hook made that song”—praises Stove God for singing rather than rapping here.

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5. Lyricism & Artistic Exaggeration

• Comparing “Kitchen Lights” type lyricism (Stove God, Griselda) to Young Dro, Ghostface:
  • Adri: “What makes rap so innovative is not how big your vocabulary is… it’s how many ways you can say the same thing...” (26:32)
  • Playful discussion of how exaggeration, surreal visuals in lyrics is artistry—not just posturing (25:20–26:22).

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6. Discussions on Lists & Recognitions

• B. Dot’s Annual Best Rappers List (29:36)
  • General skepticism over omissions (Freddie Gibbs?), placement (Nas at #2 off features?), and the criteria for such lists.
  • Adri: "To act like he [Nas] is... dominating the year. No, not particularly... It's just disingenuous." (30:25)
  • Wayno: Defends Nas for “one of the best feature runs this year” (31:09).

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7. Genre Blending & Tyler, the Creator

• ‘Don’t Tap That Glass’—Is it rap?
  • Deontay: “Felt like an Atlanta, Miami bass album...but of course they're gonna put Tyler in the hip hop category." (39:00)
  • Wayno: “While hip hop today is not Predicated on dance—it was a point in time where it was only about dancing.” (41:00)
  • Adri: “The highlights of the album were a lot of his singing...I get protective over hip hop a little bit.” (43:18)
  • Robust agreement on Tyler’s artistic growth and role as Apple Music Artist of the Year.

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8. Artists' Growth & Separating Art from Artist

• Comparison of Tyler and Earl Sweatshirt’s divergent but authentic growth.
  • Adri: “You can see very clearly how he [Earl] got from one place to another...still doesn't stray too far from what we know and love from him.” (50:23)
  • Candid talk about past controversial lyrics—acknowledging artistic shock value versus real-world consequences and societal perceptions.
  • Deontay: "I can separate the art from the artist. Until you get charged..." (56:08)

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9. Women in Hip Hop: Success & Double Standards

• Discussion on Glorilla’s impact, commercial and creative female MCs.
  • Adri: “I feel like we're kind of in a weird space with female rap...I give them a lot of grace. I'm also not willing to pretend I like some shit that I don't.” (57:34)
  • Wayno: “If your shit garbage, I'm going to tell you shit garbage. But you cannot then say, why is men in our business? Because we in your business.” (59:04)
  • Shout outs to overlooked albums/artists: Che Noir, Baby Mother, Shay Noir, Bangs (65:49+).

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10. Cultural Critique: Who Gets to Comment on Hip Hop?

• Extended back-and-forth on white and non-Black critics, viral rap pages, and who gets to shape the conversation.
  • Adri: “Why do you feel comfortable tearing down something... that is not really yours?”. (75:53)
  • Wayno: “If it's something...talking about our plight or pain...don’t tell me you know nothing about that.” (77:11)
  • The trio urge more respect and boundary-keeping in the culture, and to uplift Black women’s voices in hip hop.

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11. Music Numbers, Art vs. Commodity, AI, & Fast Fashion Mindsets

• Deconstruction of “hip hop is dead” and obsession with chart numbers.
  • Adri: “A lot of hip hop discourse is so miserable.” (71:31)
  • Deontay: "Best albums don't get the best numbers." (72:47)
  • Worries about AI’s impact on creative authenticity.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• "Honoring history while embracing the future. I feel like it was a good balance of that." – Adri (05:36)
• "When Malice walks out, it feel like we there for him. Because we got to see Pusha T for 15 years. But when he walks out, it's really them, bruh. They're back." – Wayno (08:37–08:57)
• “He has one of the best discographies in hip hop of all time.” – Deontay Kyle on Freddie Gibbs (11:24)
• "You gotta be seen 15 times to be seen once." – Wayno (17:12)
• "I love that...It's the Cameron, Young Dro thing—you just exaggerate to the level of, not even being comical, this shit is just artistic." – Deontay (25:44)
• "It's not about how big your vocabulary is... it's how many ways you can say the same thing and it sounds like you've never heard it before." – Adri (26:32)
• "Rap gets moved around so much, it's sub-genres and sub-sub-genres... Back in the days, rap was just rap." – Wayno (41:56)
• "Women are held to a higher standard...especially in hip hop spaces. But to have a thriving female rap space, we have to be able to criticize them and give feedback." – Adri (60:03)
• "Constructive, because let Anthony Fantano’s opinion matter facts." – Deontay (75:18)
• "Let’s put an end to white opinions on hip hop and allow y’all to be bystanders. And let’s expand our knowledge of females and hip hop beyond just what people serve you.” – Deontay (85:47)

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Standout Segments & Timestamps

• Les Music Club Gift Exchange: Deontay introduces journaling albums—future plans to break down A Seat at the Table. (04:06–04:33)
• Live Show Recollections – Clipse & Freddie Gibbs: Immersive talk on the emotional weight and generational meaning of these concerts. (06:51–08:56, 10:54–11:24)
• Debate: Is Alfredo 2 album of the year? (12:49–12:54, 85:20)
• Production Imperfection + Pharrell’s Singing: Candid appraisal of what works and what doesn’t in Clipse’s comeback. (21:41–22:31)
• Genre Lines & Tyler’s Evolution: Is dance or bass music a hip hop album? How do album categories get policed? (39:00–43:18)
• Women and Recognition: Discussion around double standards, critique, and support for overlooked female MCs. (57:34–64:31, 65:10–68:18)
• Dialogue on White Opinions and Internet Gatekeeping: (75:18–80:59)
• Closing Year-end picks: Favorite album (Alfredo 2), artist of the year (Tyler), rapper of the year (Malice), and a direct call for deeper curation in hip hop discourse. (85:20–85:41)

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Final Takeaways

• 2025 was a landmark year for hip hop’s diversity and sonic boundaries: the intersection of nostalgia and innovation, Southern lyricism, powerful comebacks, and bold genre crossovers.
• Intent and album curation matter: The group favors impactful projects over “fast fashion” releases, celebrating artists who balance both history and vision for the future.
• Expanding the conversation: Advocates for the amplification of women, regional voices, and deep-cut discoveries in hip hop.
• Defending the culture: Strong consensus that the narrative should come from within, cautioning against performative or appropriative outside commentary.
• Top Honors:
  • Alfredo 2—Album of the Year
  • Tyler, the Creator—Artist of the Year
  • Malice—Rapper of the Year

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For more: Tune into future Music Club episodes, follow Wayno (Wayno119) & Adri (Cooking for the Culture), and support underground talent. Hip hop, as always, is thriving.

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Transcript

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Wayno]

Woke up in the morning and to God be the glory Thankful for another day to tell my story Put my opinions in the universe and let them orbit I'm from the dirty soul with a dirty mouth My knee orbit miss things Things on me like a Norbit had to refuse them cause my bitch no rest Fusion she gorgeous as I doubt my sons up and kiss my daughter forehead Tell them we gonna get this money to my pocket Sn morbid. Remember living in apartments now we playing mortgage.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Wayno]

I don't look my place.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, he hard. You got run around Atlanta a little bit.

[Wayno]

Okay.

[Deontay Kyle]

Okay. Here.

[Wayno]

I don't be running around nowhere.

[Deontay Kyle]

That's what we here for.

[Wayno]

He from Atlanta.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Wayno]

I hate the misconception that Atlanta don't like lyrics. That's a lie.

[Deontay Kyle]

Y' all can listen to it. Friday.

[Wayno]

He kind of remind me, like, early. Early nip, bro.

[Deontay Kyle]

He's. He goes the way he just did that in one take. Was so crazy foggy today, too. One take fire foggy wrapped over earth, wind and fire beat. I was like, this nigga's out of his mind.

[Wayno]

Which. Which beat? Y know, I got the stems.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know, Nothing crazy. Nothing we can't find out. Nothing we can't. We can figure it out right now. I am rolling. Yeah. Know. There we go. Don't start that, bro. Nothing I can do. Don't start the pause game, bro. This was on some. This morning. What I say. This said.

[Wayno]

He said, there's no softness in there. I said, paul, son.

[Deontay Kyle]

Out of context, that sounds crazy. I'm not gonna lie within the context. It was not a pause, all right?

[Adri]

People be making it a pause by saying it.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I'm saying? That's what he did. And so then I was just looking for anything because he was like, yeah, it's an acquired taste. That's not pause. Is.

[Wayno]

Depends on what you talk.

[Adri]

When you make that face. It is.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We don't got the. We don't got the beat.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

I don't know what beat it was.

[Wayno]

I think it was more of a gay.

[Deontay Kyle]

I don't think it was Earthworm and Fire, he said. He sent me a multi chart, too.

[Adri]

I guess we'll find out. When's it come out? Friday.

[Deontay Kyle]

Foggies come out next Friday. Yeah. Then we gonna. We're gonna chill for the year, and then we'll do it every other week. So we got jigs. 285 jigs is nice. He gonna be the first one of the year, and then we'll just Flow from there. We got a couple artists from Mississippi that we really with. That's just tough. It's gonna be like Southern lyricism. That's basically what we doing. And it's like, I'm gonna create our own aesthetic so that, like, if. Did you see the linnae that I posted? Yeah, that's the thing. She was a test run, but that was so good. I was like, just put it out. It. All right. Did the cookie one time. We're gonna pop this shit off with the gifts, man. This is Deontay Kyle, host of the Gristnae podcast. This is the year end wrap up with our guest Adri from Cooking for the Culture. And wayno, of course. Wayno 119. Everybody knows wayno. So these are gifts for y'. All, since y' all are music heads like myself. This is a less music club journal. My homegirl, Lauren Brooks, produces these. These are ways to journal your experience with albums. You can do up to six albums per journal. So that's for you.

[Wayno]

Wow. Thank you.

[Deontay Kyle]

And that's for you. And I know Adri, for sure you're gonna love that.

[Adri]

You know, I'm gonna need another one by next month.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, you could do six albums. And we doing. I'm out. Invite y' all cordially. When we figure out next month, we're gonna break down a seat at the table. That's. So we gonna. We're gonna do live journal entries as we listen to it, and then we're gonna discuss. It's gonna be like a. It's a music club, so like a book club, but for music.

[Wayno]

That's fire. I was not expecting something like that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, man, for sure. Thank y', all, man. Y' all are, you know, out y'. All. Me and you've been talking like, we gotta do something, but I was like, if we're gonna wrap up the year, we're gonna talk hip hop, pop culture. Wayne gotta be here. Of course Adri is returning. She was our first year in Wrap Up Guest, where we nerded out for about three hours about hip hop and just ended up on like, n started talking about Beg G Unit. That's. You see what I'm saying? We went there with it. So I'll say this, regardless of whatever the conversation has been, hip hop had a phenomenal year. Phenomenal, I would say. Highlights. Getting Eclipse album 100%, man. Yeah. For me. Where are y' all at with it as far as highlights of the year?

[Adri]

Meaning, like our top albums?

[Deontay Kyle]

Well, so I'm. I'm fucked. Up, you know, me and you. So me and her. We some we some we some. Freddie Gibbs, like. Yeah, I'm sorry, Bias there.

[Adri]

Yeah. I've been. I mean, I've been waiting on Alfredo too since 2020, so that was like a big moment for me. I didn't think it was actually gonna come out because people just lie on the Internet for fun. But once I saw the actual rollout, which I think his role, I was actually pretty good and very intentional as well. I like the thematic cohesion with all of the Japanese influence. So that was a huge moment for me. And the whole mass appeal, legend has it situation, I thought that was really cool. Because I feel like this year, I feel like could be defined as hip hop wise, like honoring history while embracing the future. I feel like it was a good balance of that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, for sure.

[Wayno]

Yeah. I feel like one of my favorite is the clips album. And reason being is because I spent a lot of time around Pusha and he used to always be talking about them potentially doing it. I remember the first time he said something about it and he was really excited. And to see it come together the way it did, it just felt perfect. Like, that shit felt perfect. I wasn't worried about, you know, the typical Internet stuff. What's the first week sales or what's the this or what's the that. I was just more happy that we got malice rapping. And I swear, like, going to the show. I know we're going to talk about a lot of that stuff later, but, like, going to the. Seeing it live, it's crazy. It don't even like the live experience along with the. The album makes this so much better.

[Deontay Kyle]

I've seen this show twice.

[Wayno]

You seen the show twice?

[Deontay Kyle]

Yes, I saw it in Atlanta and in Chicago, and I inadvertently seen it at One music Fest. But I was like side stage, so I was like. I was like, oh, y' all rushing over there. Seen it twice, but no, they walk out the chains and whips, bro. That shit is just that those jumbotrons they're using, that shit is the crate. You went to the show in Virginia? In Virginia.

[Adri]

In Fairfax. I feel like the energy in the room was so like. I don't know. I don't know if you ever seen Beyonce, but I feel like the only time it's ever been similar to that was when I saw Beyonce and everyone's kind of just like looming, like, when are they gonna come out? And I've been to a lot of concerts, I've seen a lot of big artists but that was like the most intensity leading up to them walking out that I've seen in a long time.

[Deontay Kyle]

It was crazy.

[Wayno]

Yeah. I think what throws you off so much is, like, them coming out to Chains and Whips, which is Argu. Like, the most talked about record off of there. The same way how, like, they said the. The toughest thing for them to do was to do the song about their parents, but they put that first and then get out the way. It's like when they do Chains and whips, they get it out the way and then after that, it's crazy. Like, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Ending the show with they parents and then like, specifically they dad just looking you in the eyes like, oh, shit. The energy is in that room is crazy.

[Wayno]

The way they put the whole show together. Like, I was sitting there like, yo, this shit is crazy is black. Like, you know what I mean? Like that.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's an amazing. I mean, to see it. Like, you really. For people that appreciate the album, you really can't appreciate it if you don't see a live.

[Wayno]

Yeah, I think it's one of those. It's one of them 20 years from now, people be like, yo, did you go to the show?

[Deontay Kyle]

For sure?

[Wayno]

Like, for real. Like, did you go to that? Did you get that live experience?

[Deontay Kyle]

Also, Malice says nothing the entire show. He just looks at the crowd. He.

[Wayno]

And then he had disappeared. But it was crazy. It was just like when he walks out, I know we there for the clips, but it feel like we there for him. Like, you know what I'm saying? Because we got to see T over the past 15 years of just him being Pusha T. But when he walks out, it's like, yo, it's really them, bruh.

[Deontay Kyle]

They're back.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

You understand what I'm saying? It is because especially me being from North Carolina, the way they got, the way that the clips hit, like, they hit, Lord willing, hit the city, like dope, for real, like, was like, yo, these from. They from right up there. They right here. They basically from here. Like, we claiming the clips type, because there was no. The only artist we had in North Carolina to that point was probably people. Pablo wasn't trying to hear that, bro.

[Wayno]

Like, I wasn't Jack and Petey Pablo, bro.

[Deontay Kyle]

The song was great, but, like, it was like, it's great amongst us.

[Adri]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

I don't want no outsider talking about Petey pop up, you know what I'm saying? So, like, the clips, it was like, man, this is like. And I would say being on from a coastal city just the vibe is different.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

So the influences is different. Like we very. It's Southern in its nature, but a lot of niggas come from the coast and move to North Carolina. Cause the beach is there. Wilmington, like, beautiful beaches, rich black city. A lot of history. So I had. I was listening to a lot like New York and my dad from New York, so it's all that. And I was like, damn, bro. These is really them. So that 20 years later, 25 years later, man, that was crazy.

[Wayno]

That was amazing.

[Deontay Kyle]

I was like, this is what grown up money is for.

[Wayno]

This is why I'm buying merch. Everything I need, everything on me.

[Deontay Kyle]

This is a perfect year for me to get famous. Joe Fresh Goods gave me the Mike Tyson Blow to the Face T shirt in Chicago.

[Adri]

I'm mad I didn't get that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yo, imagine the way is in the line waiting on it. And I wore the to the show. How the you get this shirt? Who is this? Yeah, they know who you were when you walked. I'm going upstairs.

[Wayno]

That's fire.

[Deontay Kyle]

That was hard. I was like, biggest flex of the year. For real? Yeah.

[Adri]

Not the Freddy Show.

[Wayno]

Oh, my God.

[Deontay Kyle]

Being on stage at the Freddy Gibbs show was just like, bro. I was like, this. This is overwhelming. I was right there. This is my favorite rapper, Low Key Freddie Gibbs.

[Wayno]

And I kid you not, man. What I don't care. What nobody got to say about his antics off the court. That is one of the best rappers consistently bar for bar. We've probably ever seen that. That might be far for people who don't listen to him. Yeah, but if you listen to him.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yes, I. I said this. I got a lot of flack for it. But I said he has one of the best discographies in hip hop of all time.

[Adri]

People only know pinata and after, though. That's the problem. And people always say, like, oh, well, people only like him. He's overrated. Because his big three biggest projects are producer collabs. But here's the thing. If every producer collab was a classic album, there'd be a lot more classic albums. There's plenty of producer collabs that are not held at the same regard. But also, do you think Mad Lib and Alchemists are making a bunch of collabs with a scrub from the street that can't rap? Like, I don't think that that legitimizes the album door. I think it takes away from it. But aside from those, well, I guess four now he has a lot of great music. Like, he has so much Versatility in his sound, in the way that he raps. So it's like, if you have not listened to at least. What's the. Where you got the cars on the. On the COVID The Cars. My favorite song in there is Natural High. It's a white cover. It's like a cartoon.

[Deontay Kyle]

We got phones, right? Yeah. Technology.

[Wayno]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

We don't have to remember everything. Cold Day in Hell. I. Man, look, when the. The song. So I heard. I've heard of him, like, a lot over the years. Right. When I heard 24 karat Jesus, I was like, this is the best rapper alive. You go ahead and sign me up. This is the best rapper alive. Because that is crazy.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

But Alfredo, too, was my personal favorite album of the year. But that's a personal favorite. I think the story of the clips carries their album over the top. The. The whole thing. The rollout, the videos. Not a fan of the Tyler video. Not a fan of the. The POV video.

[Wayno]

What about the record do you love?

[Deontay Kyle]

I love the record, but she's not.

[Wayno]

The video.

[Deontay Kyle]

The video, I think they leaned like. I think they thought the animatronics was just gonna be. The selling point is cool for, like, the first two minutes. And it's like, why everybody at the table, like, ignoring each other? What is this about?

[Wayno]

Yeah, I agree. I think that, to me, like, Let God Sort Them out is, for me, my favorite rap album of the year. Like, I know that we don't care about Grammys, Right. Until somebody that we love wins. Right? Like, we always don't care. Like, fuck the Grammy. Then somebody we went, oh, yeah, I told y'. All. So I did feel a way that Alfredo, too, wasn't nominated. I also felt the way that Life is Beautiful is not nominated either. What happened?

[Deontay Kyle]

No, no.

[Wayno]

I was wondering, because you took that.

[Adri]

Deep breath, you look at each other. I was waiting for you.

[Deontay Kyle]

Is it a great album?

[Wayno]

I think it's a great rap album.

[Deontay Kyle]

I think. All right. Whatever this should have been. If I would have preferred it just have been the Alchemist and Two Chains.

[Adri]

It's more of a personal preference. I'm not saying he's. I don't think he's, like, awful. Which. I mean, that show that isn't really. That sounds.

[Deontay Kyle]

I mean, the Great Escape. I love that album.

[Adri]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

But for whatever reason on this, it was like, what is? What is.

[Wayno]

I'm gonna keep it a hundred. It threw me off to see. To see it on paper. Right. Like, seeing it on paper. I didn't know what I was gonna get but then hearing it, I was happy with it. I'm really happy with it because it makes me happy about, like, getting older, like, my priorities.

[Deontay Kyle]

Okay. It is a.

[Wayno]

But at the same time, I still love, like, young shit, you know? I mean, I love songs that's about absolutely nothing. If you could deliver it well, you know what I mean? But.

[Adri]

But, I mean, I don't. In my opinion, I feel like he doesn't deliver it very well. And I think my issue with Larry June is, like, I know that he can rap a lot better than he frequently does because he's done it. And a lot of his approach feels kind of lazy. And I'm sure that, to an extent, that's intentional. That doesn't mean I have to like it. And I feel like every time I say, like, yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of Larry June, just off of personal preference, like, oh, it's for the vibes. Like, you understand it's because of the vibe. I hear you. I can listen to a song that has a vibey sound and still want them to rap good. I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Cause I listen to Playboy Carti like a motherfucker.

[Wayno]

That was my top listening album on Spotify.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Wayno]

No, I.

[Deontay Kyle]

Music.

[Wayno]

I love that album.

[Deontay Kyle]

I was looking at my rap. They was like, yeah, you listen to, like, wheezy, mad times.

[Wayno]

Charge them hoes and feet. I love that. I just love that album.

[Deontay Kyle]

But. But to her point, I understand vibes. It's. It's like, I'm not. First of all, I'm never gonna lie. I'm not biased, and I'm not gonna force myself to like something.

[Wayno]

Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I'm saying? I think 2 Chainz was walking that bitch down. So for June to come in a little lackluster, it was like, you know, I thought. I thought all ships were gonna rise with the tide, and it just didn't do that for me.

[Wayno]

I mean, 2 Chainz, for him to rap on 2 Chainz level, I don't think. I don't know if that's possible for him to rap on 2 Chainz level, but I felt like he did what he does best, too.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Wayno]

That's what I was happy with.

[Deontay Kyle]

If you could have chose a counterpart for two Chains on the album, who would you choose? Because I still need the Alchemist production.

[Adri]

Yeah. I mean, for that specific sound, I'm not really sure. I do think someone that has more of, like, a. I guess, sleepy approach would still compliment him. Well, so maybe, like, A Boldy James or something like that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Baldi's last album was. Nick Craven is crazy too.

[Wayno]

Baldi got some shit.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, well, he's dropped like nine albums this year.

[Wayno]

As you should, I think, like, you know what I mean?

[Deontay Kyle]

If you.

[Wayno]

So I'm gonna tell you why I think you should, right? Because just today you gotta be seen 15 times to be seen once. If you don't have a definitive. What people define today as a top 40, a hit record, whatever.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right, Right.

[Wayno]

So you gotta stay for them. They gotta work a little bit extra. Now, I don't agree with nine albums in a year. I think, like, for somebody like Boli or in that space, you should drop one a quarter. I ain't.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, one a quarter.

[Adri]

I think that's too much too. I feel like the Griselza Collective is established enough to where they don't need to, like, volume. Shoot. And I also don't feel like I understand the struggle of trying to stay relevant, especially as a more underground artist, But I also don't think compromising the quality of the work is a good enough trade off. And also, too. I mean, I also. I think we're kind of like in the fast fashion era of music where, you know, people kind of like lack object permanence when it comes to music. If it's not right in front of them, then they just forget about it. So I understand that and I think that as the consumers, we partially have to, like, change how we interact and consume with music because artists should not be held to that standard. But I would rather have one really good album per year than one okay. Or like two that are okay. One that's really good, six that are mid. You know, I'd rather have that just lock in on that one album. Because also a lot of these albums that are just getting thrown out, they're just a collection of songs. You know what I mean? Like, there's not much intention behind it.

[Wayno]

I think it. You got to be a special person to be able to do one album that's gonna stick. But I. I'm not mad when people go into, like, themes or certain shit or like, all right, I'm working with Alchemist only on this one. I'm gonna change it on that. You know what I mean? So I do agree. I feel like the problem is that people are just spoiled. Right. Like, you drop an album immediately, there's like, where's the sequel? You feel me?

[Deontay Kyle]

It's because it comes across as being free.

[Wayno]

Yeah. Yup.

[Deontay Kyle]

And unfortunately for the artist, it's like, it's not free to make it. You know what I mean? So I think that. Hold on. I think that to Adrian's point, one album a year, where you can go make your money back off of what you spent, like, what the clips just did, spend some time putting it together, put out a phenomenal project, roll it out properly, all that. I think the reason why I had such an impact is because that's kind of a lost art. And today where everybody just think, I'm going to just drop an album or I'm going to just do this. And in the Griselda world, it's like, of course Westside Gun is going to drop six albums a year. Like, we know he going to do that. And so, like, the Hills have Eyes, one through four drop this year.

[Wayno]

It's like, it's hard to keep up.

[Deontay Kyle]

It is. But also it's hard to remember where it begins and where it ends. Because I like, anything west side put out, I'm listening to. But it's also like, it gets to a point where it's like, okay, it.

[Wayno]

Doesn'T feel like you're in some sort of multiverse, and it's just shit happening, and you don't know where it starts with. I do understand that. I feel like. See, for the clips, though, I think that's a little bit unfair for us to get at them as a comparison, only because we've been waiting for two decades.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. It's a legacy album.

[Wayno]

Yeah. If they mess that up, like, I'm not gonna lie.

[Deontay Kyle]

I was so scared because it's like. It's like when go to jail, it's.

[Wayno]

Like, I was scared because there's no Chad Hugo.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right?

[Wayno]

That. That's what I. That when. When I first. When there's no Neptunes, that's. That made me say, oh, because Chad did a lot of, like, I love Pharrell. I think he's one of the greatest creatives ever. But there's little shit that Chad do that changes the whole aspect of a record. You know what I mean? Just the smallest thing if it might be the melody, but the melody is the whole why we know the record. And to not have that, I'm like, damn, how the hell is they gonna pull us off? You know what I mean? But I would love to see the financials on that album because I really feel like Pharrell said, all right, I'm gonna build a studio with Louis. Right? And we ain't even paying for this shit. Like, I'm just shooting. We're Recording at my job. You know what I mean? And then once they was able to get some bread for it, they just. Everything went to pocket. I would love to see the.

[Deontay Kyle]

I'm gonna keep it honest because I've been glazing that album like a motherfucker without critique.

[Adri]

Is this gonna be about Pharrell's production?

[Deontay Kyle]

It's gonna be about Pharrell singing.

[Adri]

Yes. Okay.

[Deontay Kyle]

I could have did without that.

[Adri]

I think the reason why we could have brought in Let God sort him out is number two for me. Pharrell, he's a lot of what makes the album great, but he's also a lot of my least favorite parts of the album as well.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, it was the singing.

[Wayno]

It was just like, was it. Is. Is it the. Is it Pharrell singing period or pharrell singing in 2025? Because I. I've never.

[Deontay Kyle]

It was just specific to that album. Like, even on so Far Ahead, it's.

[Wayno]

Like, so far Ahead.

[Deontay Kyle]

No, this is what I was just trying to say. I, I. I know why it's good, right? It's. It's like, almost. Cause he's not singing well. It makes it good.

[Wayno]

So let me ask y' all both this question. Do y' all feel like. Because to me, I feel like the album is perfect to me. Right. As a Clips fan, I'm not comparing it.

[Deontay Kyle]

The Clips is perfect on.

[Wayno]

But do y' all think that when making albums that there has to be some sort of level of imperfection? Imperfection, I think.

[Deontay Kyle]

I think so Far Ahead is the example of that. And we could do without the other two. That take away from it.

[Wayno]

I wasn't a big fan of the dream shit until it took me to listen to it, like, seven more times, and I was like, I think I just like it because it's there as opposed to, like, me really liking it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right. And also, it's like the drink. Like, when the dream is on the album, it's almost like, I can't not like this. It's the dream. Like the. He's only showing up on the best.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I mean? I would say. Where we put. Could we. Could we call. Could we call Fico hook of the year? Stove guard.

[Adri]

You can.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's too many hooks. I just think his hook made that song. So his hook plus their rhyme scheme on there.

[Adri]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Perfect song.

[Wayno]

I don't know if it's the hook of the year, but it's a pretty good hook.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's a great hook.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Adri]

I like that he was. This is like Shocking to coming for me. I like that he was singing instead of rapping because I feel like that that is the. The type of singing that I would want to hear from Stove God. A lot of what he does on his own album. Well, not really his own album albums, but on all these people's albums. I don't know, it just sounds kind of. I feel like with singing and rap music. No, I'm really.

[Deontay Kyle]

She hates that, bro.

[Adri]

I am. The Internet has made me better.

[Wayno]

Get it out.

[Adri]

I started out just like not liking. Like, not preferring him along the Griselda lineup. Like, he was just pretty on the lower on the ends for me. But then everybody kept trying to bully me into liking him. Y' all can kiss my ass. I don't like his.

[Wayno]

I want to ask you one quick question and I want you to. Don't lose your thought. Did it have anything to do with B. That making him like, he was the greatest ever before anybody knew who he was? Because I beat. I put a unfair target on that man back from day one.

[Adri]

I think that's partially. Yeah. Because I feel like when in general, people keep telling me like, you have to like him. You have to think he's the best. Like, actually, no, I don't. And I'm not a contrarian. I will agree with everyone if I think someone is great. And I think he's good at a lot of things. He just frequently does the things that I don't like. I like. It's that simple.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Because everything isn't going to be kitchen likes or Vogue cover everything. Isn't he be. You know I'm saying. But like, I get it though. Like, when you make a kitchen lights, you like, I can do this every time.

[Wayno]

Sometimes it's like I like stove God. But sometimes it's like overbearing the repetitive part.

[Adri]

Right.

[Wayno]

You know, I mean, it'd be like now I with it. But it'd be like whipping the coke so hard I caught a. You know what I mean? I tore my Achilles.

[Deontay Kyle]

Like, listen, it's only so much coke you saw in Syracuse.

[Wayno]

Yeah, but I mean, I ain't mad. I ain't mad at Jeezy.

[Deontay Kyle]

And that's my dog too.

[Wayno]

I know Jeezy don't sell coke dough ball. But I would. I. I don't mind.

[Deontay Kyle]

But also, I know pushing on. It's like. I love that.

[Wayno]

I love it too.

[Deontay Kyle]

No, like. Like really go art Basil with the coke dealer. Like, I love that.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's my. It's my shit. It's my Shit. But I do get what he's like. Okay, all right, all right, bro. Like, what you mean? What you mean? You saw the brick outside the Epcot, nigga, What are you talking about? You didn't do that. Why did you have your twins with you when?

[Wayno]

But I think, like, that's what it's for. This. It is that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, it is the exaggerated.

[Wayno]

It's exaggeration. You know what I mean?

[Deontay Kyle]

It's the exaggerate. It's the Cameron Young DRO thing. Like, you just exaggerated to the level of, like, not even, like, being comical. This shit is just, like, artistic at that point.

[Wayno]

You know? What's so funny about Young dro? Young dro? I interviewed him one time and I asked him about, like, the way he rapped in that exaggeration shit. And he was like, I just wanted Ghostface and Raekwon to be like, I fuck with him.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Wayno]

He's like, every rap I wrote, I just wanted Ghostface or Raekwon to hear it and be like, that nigga's nice. I'm like, all right. So I get the exaggeration level. Cause if you listen to all of their music from the start, same thing. They exaggerate Crazy.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. You saying next to Ghostface, number one fan over here.

[Wayno]

Oh, fire.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. All right, Shorty throat. Smell like Impulse.

[Wayno]

Cause we gonna talk about some ghost face for sure.

[Adri]

But it's interesting you say that, though, because for me, one of the things I love the most about rap is it's not about how big your vocabulary is, how many words you know. I hate seeing those lists that are like, asap. Rock. Is the. Am I saying his name right? I don't know. Someone's going to yell at me. A white teenager is going to be mad as hell in the comments. He's the best rapper alive because this. This list that has. He's used the most syllable words ever in his discovery. Listen, that's cool. That's like really, like, genuinely. That is really cool of him. And I think that's a skill within itself. But for me, what makes so innovative is it's not how. It's how many ways you can say the same thing. And it sounds like you've never heard it before. Like, the way you're able to manipulate. It's kind of like word benders. Like, they're kind of moving. The words. Like these words in any other order did not mean this at all.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's Martin Scorsese. He makes the same movie. It's like you never seen it before.

[Adri]

And I think that. And that takes a lot of talent.

[Deontay Kyle]

It does. And it also is, like, it shows how great you are at, like, this is a real skill. I have never heard of ASAP Rock Song.

[Wayno]

ASAP Rocky song.

[Deontay Kyle]

No, exactly.

[Adri]

Who did? What's the name of that last year too?

[Wayno]

See?

[Deontay Kyle]

Nah, it's the. The white. Some white named ASAP Rock.

[Wayno]

ASAP Rock?

[Adri]

Yes.

[Wayno]

Not ASAP Rocky.

[Adri]

No.

[Deontay Kyle]

You see what I'm saying?

[Adri]

It's not asap. It's like asap.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's some weird. So he even. Exactly.

[Adri]

That's in the same lane as, like, think, like, what's that white.

[Deontay Kyle]

What's the white. What's the white who used to go everywhere freestyling? Like, give me a word and I'll freestyle it. I have no idea.

[Wayno]

I know what you talk about, but I can't.

[Deontay Kyle]

Not Lil Dicky. See, this is. Yeah. Because this is not the white rap show.

[Wayno]

Yeah. I'm not jacking.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's not for white rap fans. It's not for white rap opinions. It's not for who anonymously run rap pages. But you're white.

[Wayno]

I dead assume my ASAP Rocky. Until you say ASAP Rock. I'm like, I just hate the fact that jack other people's names. Like, what is that?

[Deontay Kyle]

Like, I don't know.

[Adri]

Spelled differently. It's basically.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's like spelling ketchup as catsup. Like, it's.

[Wayno]

Yeah, but it's basically no frills, though.

[Adri]

It's based off of, I think a Greek myth, like, mythology reference.

[Deontay Kyle]

Even that.

[Adri]

It's like, I would highly doubt that. Like, based off of what I know about ASAP Rock. I don't think he's very familiar with ASAP Rocky's discography. And I don't mean that as a slight to Rocky. I'm saying that like, this, man. Like, if you listen to his music, like, he's. It's. It's a scent. It's more like a spoken word.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's like a thesaurus for rap.

[Adri]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

As far as, like, what I like, I've heard verses. I'm like, I'm good.

[Adri]

Yeah.

[Wayno]

Yeah. I'm not even excited about it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, don't worry about it. You're not gonna lose anything by not hearing it. I do want to. We did bring up b dot com, that top ten rappers list, man. And every year, you get us to arguing about this. What is. What is he talking about?

[Wayno]

I glanced over it. I didn't really look at this one this year, my brother. Yeah. We go through it because I'll be cursing him out a lot of times.

[Deontay Kyle]

I just, I just met, I talked to people on, on Instagram all the time. I just met him for the first time in New York. Yeah, but Good guy. Yeah. Top ten, top ten best rappers list. 2025 from Brian B. Dot Miller. Number one, Eclipse. Number two, Nas. Number three, Joey Badass. Number four, J. Number five, Wale. Number six, Baldy James. Number seven, Larry June. Number eight, Two Chains. Number nine, Ransom. Number ten, Lloyd Banks.

[Adri]

Wait, okay, so this is my thing.

[Deontay Kyle]

Where's Freddie?

[Wayno]

Yeah, I don't, I don't think you could talk about anything in 2025, rapping wise.

[Deontay Kyle]

And you're not talking about Fredd sales.

[Wayno]

Not. No. Top of Rap caviar.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, because you put Ransom on there and you put Larry June at 7.

[Adri]

I, I feel like this is my thing and I respect and enjoy pretty much all of those artists. And like, I made a face when you, when you said Nas. And here's the thing, Nas dropped, like, last week, and I listened to his album, and it's like, this is just another example of, like, Nas makes good albums, he puts out good music. But, like, is this a big year for him? No, not particularly. I, I, I guess you could say him being behind a lot of the mass appeal stuff maybe, but it's kind of just, it's just kind of disingenuous to act like he's. At one point, we have to accept that, like, other people are now dominating the year. You know what I mean? Like, he can still get his respect. We can still acknowledge that he has incredible longevity and is still doing amazing things. And if that, I don't know if that top 10 was, like, in order, but if he's.

[Deontay Kyle]

No, that was the order, you know.

[Adri]

Because if he's number two, number two, I think that just doesn't really. It's not an accurate representation of 2025, and that's all that it is.

[Wayno]

Well, hold on a second, because for one, I would say that Beat out is definitely not basing that off of that DJ Premiere album. I think that that DJ Premiere album is just fan service, and I don't believe that they did the best job at it. With that being said, Nas has had a great feature run this year. As far as features, I would argue that there's not five people that have better features than him this year. Now, he was on the De La Soul. He was on the, with off of Raekwon's album. That was perfect timing. Was the Jim Jones Yo Murder. They had the Two verses. It was like directed at Jim Jones, but now he had two different verses. He's on Ghostface album. He's on the Clips album. If we think about every single feature that he's had, he's had a great year now, I think because he just dropped this album and it's probably not everybody's favorite thing.

[Deontay Kyle]

He put. I think he put NASA number two for this conversation.

[Wayno]

I mean, maybe.

[Deontay Kyle]

And.

[Wayno]

And Nas did put him in a campaign and he's from Queens, so that might have something to do with it. I ain't saying that, but I do think that it's respectable that Nas. Nas had a good feature yet putting.

[Adri]

Him in the top 10. I guess that's fine by me. I think putting him so high is like. I don't think someone gets put that high off of features alone. Cuz I'm not. I don't even think that the newest album was probably even considered because it just came out. I don't know.

[Wayno]

Yeah, yeah, I don't think that's considered.

[Deontay Kyle]

I also don't put Joey at three. It's just. Joey had a great year, but.

[Adri]

But not number three.

[Wayno]

Yeah, Joey had a. Joey had. As far as like galvanizing the audience and creating like a conversation around. I think he had a great year, but unfortunately his album didn't like, carry the same conversation. But he did have. I do think he had a good. A good year.

[Deontay Kyle]

He had a great back and forth with Ray Vaughan.

[Adri]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

And those songs that he released. He was Black in the out. Yeah, he was black in the out, though. Who?

[Adri]

Rayvon's album.

[Deontay Kyle]

Rayvon had a great album.

[Wayno]

He did.

[Adri]

His album's in my top 10.

[Deontay Kyle]

And also like, in that conversation, where is MC Jenkins? In that conversation, where is Saba? Like, Saba had a great album this year with no id.

[Wayno]

I. I do like Saba and I didn't even hear his album and I like Saba as a rapper, but I didn't hear his album this year.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, it was from the private collection of Saba and no id. It's a great album.

[Wayno]

I'm gonna listen to it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, it's very one of those, like. Yeah, it's one of those, like.

[Wayno]

But do you think, is it. Is it a. A niche thing or do you. Because. Because I feel like if we talk a lot of the albums that you and you have mentioned. Right. While some of them might be a little bit niche, they also have created conversation just overall.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Wayno]

For me. And. And like I said, I respect Sabbath and no ideas of Master Yoda at what he do. No. No disrespect ever could come to no id, But I feel like it's like cyber might be if, you know, you know, thing as opposed to.

[Deontay Kyle]

That's how it feels, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think the same thing. I mean, I mentioned Mick because his album, like, he just dropped the album. It was a collab with somebody else with. I mean, I just thought that was fly. Like, he was rapping his ass off on that. But, yeah, like, even for Jid to normally have been, JRD has, like, slowly been just creeping up. It's like year by year.

[Adri]

Yeah, he moving up some crazy features this year.

[Wayno]

The.

[Deontay Kyle]

On Freddie the Gold Feet.

[Wayno]

Yeah, that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Listen, I mean, as many features as there's been this year, that's the one.

[Adri]

That'S my favorite verse on the album. And I feel like that says.

[Deontay Kyle]

I was like. I'm listening to. I'm like, is this okay?

[Wayno]

You know, I. What I love about J is like, he don't want to play nobody games. And I mean, as far as the industry.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Wayno]

Like, he don't give a. About none of that. His whole thing is about, like, him and his music, you know, I mean, and it's. It showed a lot this year.

[Deontay Kyle]

He's going to out rap everybody. That's his thing. I think even with him, the Community song with the clips, it was like. Yeah, that's such a crazy. I mean, Malice.

[Wayno]

Malice, Yeah. I was about to say Malice got a diverse on there is crazy. But can I ask both of y'? All this. Did y'. All. Y' all ain't jacking this. This game Gangster Girls.

[Deontay Kyle]

I'm not listening to that.

[Wayno]

Really? At all. You not listening to it neither?

[Adri]

It didn't come across my radar.

[Wayno]

Damn, that Game is rapping on.

[Deontay Kyle]

Of course he is. Game has always been able to rap. I know, but that's always. But Game always likes to rely on the antics, bro.

[Wayno]

I don't.

[Deontay Kyle]

It kills. Not the best rapper from Compton. Stop.

[Wayno]

I don't think he's the best rapper.

[Deontay Kyle]

From Compton, but he knows he's not.

[Wayno]

But even with that. Even with that being said, we know.

[Deontay Kyle]

That the Game is a great rapper.

[Wayno]

Phenomenal at all.

[Deontay Kyle]

I'm gonna give it some time. Is it like.

[Adri]

Is it like a. Within the context of everything else he's done, is it gonna. Like. You're like, oh, wow, this is, you know, like, where does it fall for. Not like. Not like for a Game album in 2025. I just mean, like, in general, where would you.

[Wayno]

All right, so just. It's aesthetic pleasing. One, you got the. You got DJ drama saying the right shit over the right beats. That's always going, do it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Wayno]

Feel me Just on a nostalgic space. Outside of that, there's moments where I'm like, I'm. I'm actually surprised that he can rap this good for the way I liked rap in the early 2000s today, which you don't really. You don't typically get that. Right? Like, you don't get the. Like, Jadakiss isn't on this, but it's like, you don't get those type of bars like we used to, 20 something years ago, where it was just free. You cop a case, slay a cut master, see a DJ envy a DJ clue. We took that for granted. Now they. They make those mixtapes in the albums, right? You don't just get that every day. So for me, I'm just like, I'm happy to hear just rapping bars and bars and bars.

[Deontay Kyle]

Was he rapping over other people's beats?

[Wayno]

No, he ain't rapping over.

[Deontay Kyle]

No, it's original.

[Wayno]

I mean, that's the thing. Like, it's. You can't do that and put it on dsps and monetize it and nobody's not doing that no more.

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Wayno]

I mean, like, you're making a good case for it.

[Adri]

Like, I probably will go, no, I'm.

[Deontay Kyle]

Gonna check it out.

[Wayno]

I'm keeping it a honey.

[Deontay Kyle]

I'm a likability person too. So it's like I got the other news before I got this news.

[Wayno]

This game is crazy. We ain't gonna jump over that.

[Deontay Kyle]

That. Yeah.

[Wayno]

But at the same time, I just think that, like, in the grand scheme of everything, them hit a at the end of the year.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. It's still hip hop. Yeah. Yeah. When he. I. Yeah. I ain't gonna lie. I'm petty though, too. Like, I'm just like, yeah. The down about a class Azula drink champs. I was like, I never want to hear this rap again. I was like, what are you doing that for? That's too much liquor.

[Wayno]

Yeah, but he was always doing it. But. But he does it. Why doing that, though? Because I heard that remember before vibe. Well, I'm not going to say before viral, but remember when we used to go to world star for our news and he used to challenge somebody to come on stage and see how much honey he could drink? I used to. I heard rumors that the Henny was really. Iced tea.

[Deontay Kyle]

Okay, you know what?

[Wayno]

I'm saying, so I wouldn't be surprised if that brought a bottle of water in the Azul drink, which is the antics. But yeah, even with the antics, this nigga's rapping, I'll give him that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Okay, bet. Red Rose, White Cellar.

[Wayno]

Yes, say that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Say that.

[Wayno]

I wish he'd have put that on one of the songs, actually. It would have been funny.

[Deontay Kyle]

That would have been that.

[Wayno]

Yeah. Like, if he would have started without one of the songs with that, that would have actually been type fired.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Red Rose, White Ceiling. How you feeling Hip hop this year? Tyler album. Which one? Both. Don't tap that glasses. Don't tap that glasses. God damn. That shit has a great replay value.

[Wayno]

It does.

[Adri]

Is that. Would you consider that to be like a hip hop rap album?

[Deontay Kyle]

It was a dance, it was like a bass album. It felt like a little bit like an Atlanta based Miami bass album. Of course they're gonna put Tyler in the hip hop category, but I. I really did feel. I mean, so we went to the listening party in la. He made put their phones up and he was like, I just want y' all to dance and y' all not gonna dance if y' all feel like somebody recording you. And I'm gonna tell you. Was dancing okay. Was dancing okay. It was very comfortable to do it.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, man. Feel the rain on their skin. You know what I'm saying? But I mean, yeah, it was fire. It was actually. It's so funny because it's like we had. It was the first time I had like really seen him live in that intimate of a setting. It was so fire. It was like. Did it like Masonic Graveyard or some like that in la? Yeah, it was. Well, there's like a venue there.

[Adri]

Okay.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. But I was like, okay. Hearing it live. This sound, fine. But hearing it in person and the videos that went along with it, it was like, okay, he's. He's not playing.

[Wayno]

I really like don't tap that glass. Because one thing about Tyler is that he's always had a knack for making fun. Like he would even when he had like Goblin and it'd be all dark. He'll always never take himself too serious and make Tina Comb your fucking Weaver, you know, I mean, he always makes some silly song and I felt like as he's grown. Yeah. After year. He's a grown ass man now. Right. His priorities is different, you know, I mean, he made something that was fun. Now, the reason why I would consider it in the realm of hip hop is because while hip hop today is not Predicated on dance. It was a point in time where it was only about dancing. It was only like you, you. You had to have bars, but you had to have some sort of dancing. I love the fact that the. Doing the Gazelles with the gold chain, no shirt with that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. You know, it's definitely a rap album.

[Adri]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's real. Because now I'm thinking about it.

[Adri]

I'm just curious.

[Wayno]

I don't know if he considers it a rap album, but I think that like rap gets. Today rap gets move around so much because it's sub genre and sub, sub, sub genre with. Back in the days, like rap was just rap. And if you like somebody that was rapping, they was just your favorite rapper.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Cuz Heavy D was just as much a rapper as like you said who. Heavy Duty was just as much as a rapper as like Public Enemy.

[Wayno]

Absolutely. And so was Eric Sermon. But he wasn't rapping like coogee rap. He wasn't on those streets.

[Deontay Kyle]

I'm gonna keep it real though. Like that. Stop playing with me. He was snapping on that bitch like rat wise, like he was barring the fuck up. And I was like, oh, he really do want niggas to stop playing with him, like in a real way. And then he hit the. What's the. What's the name? Jamiroqua.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Am I saying that right?

[Wayno]

Jamaica.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. On the video tip like the moving floor.

[Wayno]

Yeah, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's like hard, bro.

[Wayno]

That was a fire video.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, the Sugar on My Tongue video was. Wow, crazy video.

[Wayno]

Yeah. Sugar on My Tongue is crazy.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Great song.

[Wayno]

What's my. My sucker. Freeze that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, Sucker free.

[Wayno]

Yeah, that's my.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, you spend on that too though. Yeah, I think the. The ring ring ring was my.

[Adri]

That's the one.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adri]

That's probably my favorite.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. That is hard too.

[Wayno]

The joint, it's. It's a. It's one of the dance songs that has absolutely no lyrics on it. But it's the. The joint was like, I'll be waiting for you. Because it remind me of what's the. That all the kids was doing the.

[Deontay Kyle]

The.

[Wayno]

The. The. They made it into a viral sensation a couple years ago. A dance south joint. Remember Kyrie was doing the dance to you remember the. Man. Oh my God, bro. This. Because if I, If I can remember it, everybody's gonna know the song.

[Adri]

How long ago were we talking?

[Wayno]

This song is a song. It's a classic like song. I can't think of it at the moment, but it's One of them songs that makes you feel like that.

[Deontay Kyle]

That.

[Wayno]

Yeah, but it'll come back to me.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's a Don't you worry, baby. Yeah, that's on Ring, ring, ring.

[Wayno]

Yeah, but there's enough. What I'm saying is, is it reminded me of a song that came out in the 90s, a dance song that a thousand people have sampled that I can't think about, and it's gonna haunt me until I go to sleep tonight.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, you'll figure it out. Just text me facts. I'll put the text message on the screen.

[Adri]

And I think the reason why I kind of hesitate to just automatically put him in the hip hop category is more so because I feel like, for me, the highlights of the album were a lot of his singing. And I feel like when something's like, I don't know, I think I feel like I've thought a lot about what's the line between hip hop and hip hop inspired and, like, how important is it to stay true to our roots versus, you know, being versatile and expanding and, you know, being open to the evolution of hip hop? And I don't really have a firm answer because I feel like anytime, you know, an album like don't tap the Glass comes out, I start rethinking it, and it's. You know, I think I feel like it's an ongoing conversation. It's hard to. I don't think it can be put into specific buckets. Like, okay, if you check all of these boxes, it's a hip hop album. It's like, it's kind of harder than that. But I also feel like I kind of get protective over hip hop a little bit, because when we get, like, too many outside opinions saying what is and isn't hip hop, and it's like, okay, back up a little bit.

[Deontay Kyle]

It.

[Wayno]

Yeah, I remember the song.

[Deontay Kyle]

What is it?

[Wayno]

At night I think of you oh.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Wayno]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what. That's what I meant when they made it into a viral thing. But just to your point, I think that, like, the only thing that Tyler has done that was definitively not, like, in the realm of just straight hip hop is probably Igor. Right. And then, of course, they gave him the consolation prize. Grammy. Right. Like, oh, yeah, this is rap. Like, no, I mean, he is rapping on there.

[Deontay Kyle]

But that album is crazy.

[Wayno]

The album is crazy. But I'm just saying, it's like, that's the only.

[Deontay Kyle]

His run since Flower Boy has been insane. Insane, I think, well deserved. Apple Music Artists of the Year.

[Wayno]

Absolutely.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, I think like chroma copia into this Grammy noms everything albums.

[Wayno]

Has anybody ever done that in one year?

[Adri]

Well, I mean, I guess one calendar, maybe dmx.

[Wayno]

Yeah, but yeah, I mean, two albums in one year. But I'm saying, has anybody been nominated for two different Grammys on two different albums in one year span?

[Deontay Kyle]

I don't think so.

[Wayno]

I don't think so. Yeah, but they always got a new stat anyway, so you know what I mean?

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, I think I was surprised and I don't know like how to. I don't know the specifics about how the Grammys do they think. I was surprised that like Kendrick's. Because it came out what, last December, right?

[Wayno]

November.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. No, yeah. So I was surprised, but I'm like, what is their calendar year ending? Like starting October or something?

[Wayno]

It's. You have to submit by. I think you have to. You have to get them by the certain date in November. It nice. It's after that. Because the thing is, is that you have to. You probably have to submit it. Do you?

[Adri]

I don't know.

[Wayno]

I know you actually have to.

[Adri]

I don't even know who was nominated. I've like kind of really checked out.

[Deontay Kyle]

You want to go look at. You want to talk about it?

[Adri]

Sure.

[Deontay Kyle]

We can check it quickly.

[Adri]

What she said about the. The Apple Music Award, I will say I think I'm not mad at Tyler being chosen. I think he's a good pick. But I also think that there are other artists that might have been more representative of 2025, just not within the hip hop realm. And it's kind of hard for me to say that because I mostly listen to hip hop, but I also am like, I'm a girl, my friends are bad bitches. I know what's going on in the pop world. I know what's going on in other areas. And like that very well could have been Sabrina Carpenter. That very well could have been Lady Gaga apparently had like eclipse moment in the sense that she had a major comeback. Bad Bunny has been dominating the universe for as long as I can remember, which isn't very long. But the point I'm trying to make is I can understand why some people would not think that he has been the most representative of 2025 and that other people were more deserving. But I also think his wasn't. He was the he. If you. If they told Sabrina Carpenter that have been more obvious. So I feel like they were trying to go with the less obvious pick. But still well deserved and still appeasing the Most amount of demographics as possible.

[Wayno]

I can't even argue because I ain't heard none of their albums. Bad Bunny.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what's crazy? Album of the Year. First one, Bad Bunny. Second one, Swag. Justin Bieber. Third Man's Best Friend, Sabrina Carpenter. Let God Sort Them Out. Clips, Mayhem, Lady Gaga, gnx, Kendra Lamar, Mutt, Leon Thomas, Chromacopia Tyler. All those artists you just named have been nominated for album of the year. Yeah, by the Grammys. I'm gonna be honest. I heard a little bit of swag. Mostly the Cash Cobain song. I just thought that was fly. I'm not a big fan of the Biebs, but it is what it is.

[Adri]

I haven't heard one syllable. You'll be honest. I. I honestly was.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, that one. A lot like One Less Lonely is Crazy. Ever since I heard that, I'm like, I'm cool on the Biebs, but when.

[Adri]

He had his little bowl cut, that. That meant something to me back in the day.

[Deontay Kyle]

Come on, bro. Like, yeah, you came with it.

[Adri]

With that album I've ever bought with my own money. It was $8, and it was that. I don't even remember the name of it, but the purple album, when he had the bowl cut, that is.

[Deontay Kyle]

What's the first album you ever bought with your own money?

[Wayno]

My first album I ever bought my own money. It was an MC Light album. That's how old I am.

[Deontay Kyle]

My first album. My first album was Best Thing Smoking Andro.

[Wayno]

Best Thing Smoking Andro. See, I'm. Yeah, I'm older than y'. All. It was a. It was a. A MC Light album. But I just. I loved MC Light. Like, when I was a kid, I thought I was gonna marry MC Light.

[Deontay Kyle]

Really?

[Wayno]

Hell, yeah. So I was like, the first. It was like, the first CD I bought. It was when CDs came. CDs used to come in this big ass, like, long box, and then it had your CD in it. That's how old I am.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Well, the first album you ever bought with your own money.

[Wayno]

Fuji's the school. That was. I was in the eighth grade. 95, I believe, or 96.

[Adri]

I wasn't a fault yet. Okay.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Wayno]

How old are you?

[Adri]

I was born in 99. I'm 26.

[Wayno]

Oh, you say my little brother was born in 99. I was moving. I was out here in these streets in 99. I'm that nigga now. I'm like, I. I remember that year. What's your birthday?

[Adri]

June 4th.

[Wayno]

I got yours from that year, right in my right now.

[Deontay Kyle]

Facts.

[Wayno]

That's a fact.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, to your point, I understand Demograph trying to cover all bases. Right. I think Tyler is going to cover all bases when it comes to that because of his fan base and because he's clearly trying to separate himself from his earlier work.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

And you gotta let them. You gotta let them, like, mature and grow up. That's something we don't allow artists to do. In hip hop, a lot is mature from where they first started at, but without that, we don't get some of the best albums, you know what I mean? Like, we don't get a four for four if we just let Jay Z stay. Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint.

[Wayno]

Yeah. I mean, listen, bro, just in our culture, period, like, you want a person, you want to accept them, how you met him, you know what I mean? Until they start doing dumb shit and then you. You clowning them for the same shit you want them to do. You feel me? It's like. It's weird, but I think that, like, Tyler has been an example of growth and artist development. You know what I mean?

[Adri]

Speaking of that, Earl sweatshirt also dropped this year. Live Laugh Love. That's in my top 10 as well. And I noticed there's some. Tyler and Earl have just taken completely different paths musically. But I feel like there's been some parallels in the fact that, like, they're both. The albums that they've dropped recently. I'm thinking more Chromacopia. And then this album from Earl, it really highlights just the way that they've grown, both in their personal life and in their music. I feel like Live Laugh Love is some rap songs on 20mg Alexa Pro. And it's like you can see very clearly how he got from one place to another and how he's like, like, happy now and he's living or, you know, living a better life. And it's like, I. I love to hear that, because there's also still. He doesn't stray too far away from what we know and love from him. But it's just so interesting to see how, like, at one point, they were almost synonymous. Like, they were kind of like, yeah, do you thought you heard one, you thought of the other. But now it's like they're two entirely different artists. And I kind of. I love it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. And I think that that's a very, like, prominent example, too, that, like, there's still some tabula rasa in there, some voir dire in there. But this is a totally different thing. But there's no Doris in there.

[Adri]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

You see what I'm saying?

[Wayno]

It's no Doris at all.

[Deontay Kyle]

You see what I'm saying?

[Wayno]

There's no Earl.

[Deontay Kyle]

There's no Earl in there. Like, and I think that that's the example. Like, there's no goblin in none of this. There's no cherry bomb in any of this. So you have to like. And I. For the people that like, especially like with the words and like the. Used to be talking crazy. Crazy.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I'm saying? And so for people that feel like that he owes certain communities or demographics and apology. I can understand that. Like, I understand, you know what I mean? Like be talking about openly raping people and like that.

[Wayno]

But I, I say even to that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Point, right, but they never made, but they never made Eminem apologies for anything.

[Wayno]

I don't think people took rap at that serious back then because I know I didn't. Right. Like, I know Cameron on his first album got a song called Confessions of Fire. And it's the, you know, the self titled song off the album. And he talking about all this crazy. Like he. The whole theme of the song is him being in the church, in a confessional with a, with a priest. And he's talking about all types of crazy. Rape, killing, all types of. And I never thought for one second, oh, he's actually doing this or he actually means this. I looked at it as he just rapping, saying crazy. And the thing about it was like back in the, the late or mid-90s, into the 2000s, when people said crazy, it was just like, oh, he said something crazy. But we didn't look at them as like, is that they real thoughts?

[Deontay Kyle]

Right.

[Wayno]

We also didn't have. I also didn't know my favorite rapper ate for breakfast. I didn't know what their kids look like or none of that. So now we're just in this personal time, we're like, yo, you said that you must really feel that way.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. And I think that that like the, the circus act of it all just kind of like, you know, it's like I just saw you leap through fire, but it's also like, I'm hanging with you backstage now. And it's like, did you really jump through the fire? Like, is that real fire? It's like I just kind of take the mystique away.

[Wayno]

It's also a level of entitlement as well.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, well, and I think it's also like a sign of the times that like everything is a political statement now. You know what I mean? So like when I was listening to like Eminem. Like, I don't really think Eminem was tying up and putting them in the trunk. And you know, like, you know, he used to say the wildest shit in the world. And I think it was just like, that's the shock value of it at all.

[Wayno]

But, yo, I gotta go back to Cameron. He got a ball when he said, and you heard what me and Poppy did. Left him on the road like the Cosby kid, you know what I mean? He said, kill you like Mike pops for new Jordans. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's like, damn, he said that about Michael Jordan's dad. I mean, on some level you think it's up, but then most people just look at it like he just rapping.

[Deontay Kyle]

Who more real weed in the four wheeler F Mike till you see me, you never saw Thriller. That's a hard ass bar. It's one of the hardest bars of all time.

[Wayno]

Real.

[Adri]

This is kind of like, this is the type of conversation that's been happening for decades, if not centuries. Like, people still have the same conversation about like Lolita and like, when is it. It's almost kind of like the separating the art from the artist thing. But it's like separating. It's like, when is a statement or something controversial just like a part of the art, a part of the performance? I think the other question we have to. I think. Well, I think that question's been answered because I agree. I don't think Tyler Crater meant all that craziness. He was just an edgy teenager. And edgy teenager say edgy teenage stuff. But I also think we have to acknowledge that that still doesn't necessarily make it fully okay and not necessarily encourage it, because I think that there are still negative consequences to saying those things, especially on major platforms. But it's like at the end of the day, you know, making a million tweets about how this artist is so awful is not necessarily the solution to any problem. Not even that. That necessarily that that bar is the problem. It's more of like, it's. It's representative of things that are much bigger. And it's just like something ugly that's being put back in our face. But yeah, I think people are more hung up on the tweets, feeling superior and kind of having this moral high ground of like, well, I've never said this.

[Wayno]

Oh, yeah, well.

[Deontay Kyle]

And I think the thing, I think the bigger thing too, both of your points, is that we don't have to take the music seriously, but I have a tweet, so it must be how you really felt. And it's like, yo, if a nigga's being edgy, he's doing in every aspect of life. Especially, like, back then on Twitter was like, wow.

[Wayno]

It was what? Yo, I. I really. This is the thing. If you got some crazy tweets. When I first got on Twitter, I was, like, 25, 26 years old. It was just on there talking shit, saying anything. If you got some crazy tweets, you got some crazy tweets. But if you got a case to go along with your crazy tweets.

[Deontay Kyle]

See, this is where I'm at with it, bro.

[Wayno]

If you.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah. I can separate the art from the artist. Until you get charged, I'll show you how to keep. Yeah, when you get charged now we can't use it. These are crazy charges. You know what I'm saying? I don't know about. Not now. Yeah, now it's not just a crazy tweet. Now it's evidence.

[Wayno]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Because people say dumb. Like, you know how we give everybody, give kids his flack for what they doing live? If Tupac Shakur would have had IG Live, if ODB would have had IG Live, you know what type of we've been seeing? This man was like, I got burnt by gonorrhea twice. He said that on television.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Like, you don't. This is the thing. It's a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of that. Couldn't have had, like, Twitter or IG Live?

[Wayno]

Hell, no.

[Deontay Kyle]

They was too wild.

[Wayno]

No.

[Deontay Kyle]

Somebody was. I was talking to somebody, and they were saying that. That the female rap scene, the women in hip hop scene has, like, lost esteem. I think it's a take, too. Glorilla did get nominated for best Rap album of the year, along with clips. Jid Tyler for Karmacopia. And then Kendrick should have added more.

[Adri]

I mean, I think Gloria is definitely fitting because she was everywhere.

[Deontay Kyle]

Like, I think Glorilla was definitely fitting.

[Adri]

The amount of cultural impact that she's had. And I feel like whenever someone's considered, like, a mainstream artist, all of a sudden their impact is just, like, less valuable. Or it's like, oh, well, they just played this at the club, and it's like, okay, well, that's still a major part of.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, but it was worth being played at the club. Club. You know what I mean?

[Adri]

That's still. It's still relevant.

[Deontay Kyle]

And Glorilla had a great album.

[Adri]

She had a she had a great. And I think she's going to continue doing great things. I've called it since the beginning, but I do. It's. It's. I feel like we're kind of in a weird space with female rap because for me personally, I feel very strongly about supporting female rappers and I give them a lot of grace. I'm also not willing to pretend I like some shit that I don't. I'm not gonna pretend that some shit is good if it's not. Because I think that women as consumers, as an audience deserve to have good female rappers as an option and not just have to like anything that's presented to them. And I think that there are. Exactly. And I think that There are female MCs that are amazing and they should have that same amount of hype. Like I think another one that's on my top 10 list is Shane Warren. Love the Genius Desired Crowns. I think that was an amazing product. Amazing, amazing project. I'm not sure if I heard anybody talk about it.

[Deontay Kyle]

She's dropped like four albums this year.

[Wayno]

Shane Moore, she's been, she's been dope. When I was on Everyday Struggle, I used to always bring her up. She could fucking rap her ass off.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, but that's another thing too is like you can't say and this goes back to your idea or, or your, your statement about like object permanence. It's like if it's not right in front of your face, then it don't exist because y' all can't say like women only rap about they pussy and then ignore Shay noir facts.

[Wayno]

This the thing I think when it comes to female rappers right now. Glorilla, I think Glorilla is a star. She's been a star, she's a fixture. That's not going to move. She's here for the, for the rest of our time to go. The only problem that I have with female rappers is is that you want to be considered or talked about when it's good. Like if this fire and a like it, it's fine. Oh yeah, I could, I could do an hour episode just talking about that. When your trash. Now I'm bashing women. You want, you want to be in the same conversation as any other rapper, right? Because that's the thing. People want to be considered in any conversation that now we. I'm not going to skip over the fact that it's different when it comes to men and women, but I'm just saying if you trash, you trash. I don't care if You're a man, a woman, whatever you identify as if your shit garbage. I'm going to tell you shit garbage. But you cannot then say why is men in our business? Because we in your business.

[Deontay Kyle]

When you fire hip hop is everybody's business. It is.

[Adri]

I agree. But I think two caveats. One is that I think women are held to a higher standard and just in general but like especially within hip hop spaces. And I also think a lot of times, a lot of times people have those underlying like you really just don't like her because she's rapping about having a fat ass and making a lot of money. But you're going to disguise it as xyz. And I'm not saying every person that I think in order to have a thriving female rap space, we have to be able to criticize them and we have to be able to give feedback. The artists have to receive feedback. We have to tell an artist when they fucked up. Megan Thee Stallion is I. I was like an OG Megan Thee. I saw Megan Italian perform for free. That's how early I was a fan of her.

[Wayno]

We talked in 2016.

[Adri]

Yeah the make It Hot album. Like I was there from the beginning. I'm not gonna sit up and lie to you and say everything that she's put out since then has been amazing. I still want her to do well. I still. I have not like lost hope and but that I. I think sometimes with female rappers once they put out one bad project, oh they fell off, they were flop. You know it's. They're. They're kind of held to this high and that. That also applies to men.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. I think that that's like era we're in too. It's like it is. I think it's an era we in too because Chance should have been nominated. Chance had a phenomenal, phenomenal album. If we want to stay in a female hip hop space. Monolio break out breakout year for not great album. Hella singles.

[Wayno]

Yes. She's snapping doing on Both Ways too. Because giving you. Because this is my thing right. Like I ain't even mad about you rapping about your ass being fat. It just make it fire you feel right. Yeah yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Give me the metaphors. Because like rap about guns all day.

[Adri]

But you know so many similes.

[Wayno]

You know because you always get the. But men rapid. You know my biggest problem with is with their equivalent to twerking is to me a twerking is holding up the money. If if you. If you doing still doing the spread if you still to me that's twerking.

[Deontay Kyle]

That's me twerking like Floyd at the Crypto Arena. A cashless arena. What are we doing?

[Wayno]

So my thing is.

[Deontay Kyle]

Is like, that is a version of twerking.

[Wayno]

You're pulling out the bread. It's like, all right, bro. Is your song good or not?

[Deontay Kyle]

Also like, yo, my. I can tap my phone and pay for things.

[Adri]

Put your mom's rent money back.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. Like, also like, you went and withdrew this money.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

You could have left it in the.

[Wayno]

Bank, but that's what I'm saying.

[Deontay Kyle]

I understand having like 2500 cash, if that's how you're getting down just to.

[Wayno]

That's not. It's just not adult. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Having some cash on deck just to have some cash is cool.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Pulling out of eight racks, 80 racks, and undoing the rubber.

[Wayno]

A million dollars these be having. And of course, you know, I'm. We'll be greeted with these is broke.

[Deontay Kyle]

Okay, whatever.

[Wayno]

I own my house. Listen. So there you go. I don't want to hear nothing about.

[Deontay Kyle]

But I'm saying, like, you know, here's the thing. You know, we're not broke. And here's another thing. I would never do that. Yeah. Like. And you know, the thing is, like, this is that whole Avenger. But, like. Yeah, I mean, told you to change clothes. Niggas change their clothes. Told you to stop using the money phone. And that did kind of get lame. Like, it was like.

[Wayno]

Yeah, but a lot of quadrupled down on it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Oh, yeah. Started going like, they started doing extra.

[Wayno]

They started laying in the tub with the bread. Like all types of weirdos.

[Deontay Kyle]

But also it's like. But it's not representative of anything, bro. It's like, actually that's. It's low key. Some broke to do that.

[Wayno]

I just think that, like, for all of the rappers that we grew up on that. That were making millions of dollars, right? That wasn't doing that. Their thing was they art, you said. You feel me? Like, even. Even when Jeezy tells us. I love the story now about the, you know, thug motivation 101, how he had to call his man's like, we can't handle fake money and they brought real money. All that's cool. But there's a story attached to the content. Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Like with Belly Gang kush, like, the two way, like 285 on 280, 500. But that's like. Like, for the thing next year, I.

[Wayno]

Don'T want to see it.

[Deontay Kyle]

Well, there's no more highways.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

You Know what I'm saying? There's no more highways. It goes up to 400. Like, anything after 400 is like. And also was like, pull out 400 on Georgia. 400. Okay, that's over. Great breakout year for Belly Gun Cushion.

[Wayno]

Absolutely.

[Deontay Kyle]

Oh, yeah. Consistently consistent. Consistently.

[Wayno]

Like, I like the. I was a part of the freestyle series. Just gotta add that in there. I had fun. You know what I mean?

[Deontay Kyle]

What you mean?

[Wayno]

So we did the thing last year, we kind of recreated rap city, you know? I mean.

[Deontay Kyle]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Wayno]

And that was dope. You know, I mean, I went. When we did it, I didn't know it was gonna go viral like that, you know, I mean, that went widespread fast. You know, I like. I genuinely like Belly Gang as an artist.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. I think he makes some great music. I think outside of the what is perceived to be dope boy Persona, he has some music that really touched, like some deep internal on his album too, that. It was refreshing. It was like, okay, great. Yeah, he's a. He's a. He's a full person.

[Wayno]

Absolutely.

[Deontay Kyle]

You know what I mean? Even if the forward facing thing is the drug deal. And I like that too. And I like. And like, we need Jeezies in the space, so I know he don't like the Jeezy comparison, but I understand why it's there.

[Wayno]

Yeah. Facts.

[Adri]

Yeah. And. And before we stray too far from the female rap conversation, a couple more albums I just wanted to mention because I feel like. Like they just did not get enough attention. Baby Mother dropped two albums. Very quirky. Very, like, crass and quirky. So if that's your thing, you would enjoy it. Rebirth Theory by Soul Child and Twice a Day with Food by Bangs. Spelled bvngs.

[Wayno]

Bangs. Bangs was just on my. I do a stream where I play people's music. And I didn't know nothing about her till, like, yesterday. She fired. Her voice is crazy.

[Deontay Kyle]

I.

[Wayno]

With Banks.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yo, me and Big Cat just discovered this artist. I'm gonna put y' all on. Her name is Giselle. Made it. She's making the entire song with her voice, so the beat, everything. And she could rap like a mother. Like, she can. She from or.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Is she from. No. Where's Giselle from? I don't. I don't know if Giselle's from Oregon. No. Shorty with the. Shorty with the. The EDM shorty. That's. She from Oregon. Yeah. We can't find her. No, we can't. She just went into the. She sent us like a fire. Edm Track and just. And. And then it's like I can't find her. Yeah, bro, she just went into obscurity.

[Wayno]

I got a young lady I want to put y' all on to too, that I found on my streams. Her name is Moody. It's spelled M U D Y, but it's on her. IG is fine. Moody, Fine. M U D. Yes.

[Adri]

I know what you're talking about.

[Wayno]

She is dope, yo. Like, she's really, really, really dope. And another one, Nezzy Mamadou.

[Adri]

She's British.

[Wayno]

Nezzy Mamadou. She's Nigerian.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's so crazy because Giselle made it only has. Yo, I gotta find, like, she doesn't put her music out.

[Adri]

Little Sims. I can't believe I've not mentioned Little Sims.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Adri]

This year I will say her album Lotus, I think it's called, is not my favorite from her. Just based off of personal preference. It's like, it's. There's nothing wrong with it. It's just not what I wanted from her. But her albums from, I think 20, 21, I'm really bad with album names. If you can't tell the yellow cover and the gray cover. If you look at her the list, you'll know what I'm talking about. But she, I think is really. And I don't like British rappers. Like, I'm actually very anti British rapper. And not because. Not even off of principle. It's more so just cuz, like, if I don't like a rapper's voice, I can't listen to it. This accent is not appealing to me.

[Wayno]

There a few British rappers.

[Adri]

I jack that and Little Sims is one of them for me.

[Deontay Kyle]

Just because this Little Sims is like Alex.

[Wayno]

I like Poser.

[Deontay Kyle]

That's his name, Alex. He's like the. He's like the British Kendrick Lamar Giselle made. It is spelled J A Z.

[Wayno]

She on the Gram.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. She has music that she submitted to us and, like, won't put it out. J A Z E L L E made it.

[Adri]

I'm glad you spelled it because I wrote it down. Like Giselle from Real Housewives.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. And. And then I think also, like Dochi just kind of like blasting off into superstardom this year. I knew she was out of here when just started hating, like, out of the blue. Because the thing that a lot of people don't know about that anxiety song is that some she did on Tick Tock, like two years ago. And that's when I discovered her. I was like, yo, she's hard. First of all, this is One of the best songs of all time. But to freestyle over this, it's gangster.

[Wayno]

That's another one I tried to sign. It's a lot of artists I tried to sign. But what's crazy is I found out about her in 2020 and this is when a lot of people didn't know about her. But this. I knew she was signed. I'm like, she. She was only getting like maybe 10, 000 players on the song. You go to her, go to her page and scissor like. And you know what I mean?

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you lit.

[Wayno]

Since I had reason. I had reason. Like, yo, bro, she signed. He like, yeah, she signed.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's been overall, like such a great year for hip hop in every aspect. So the. The whole top 40 thing that just. But also, like, if you really love this shit that don't even. You don't. You're not phased by that top 40, bro. Who gives a fuck?

[Adri]

The fact that we have to keep saying it is just getting so exhausting.

[Deontay Kyle]

Because they want black people to care about that.

[Adri]

And like, even like this, the. The tired hip hop is dead conversation coming right back when we just had this conversation in like 2023. We've been saying that hip hop people have been not said hip hop is dead before Tipping Butterfly came out. So it's like we need to let. And again, I think it comes back to that, like, fast fashion mindset of like, oh, well, if we go three months without a classic album, that's changed the entire genre. Hip hop is dead. I need you to slow down and I need you to read a book.

[Wayno]

But the whole thing about, like, the whole hip hop is this dead and all that is because I hate the fact that fans are so big into business now. Like, fans, like, they care so much about people's contracts that they've never seen terms that they don't understand that even when they see it, they think they know what they talking about and they don't be knowing what the hell they talking about. And that's like so much of the conversation on social media as opposed to is the music good or not? People really say you're what they did the first week before. You say, how does it sound? You know, I mean, it's like, I'm not specifically speaking about us because we don't care about that, but the general fan, the casual fan, that's what they give a about. It's like, yo, what they. What playlist they on?

[Adri]

Right?

[Wayno]

You know, I mean, as opposed to. If I just genuinely like This, I don't know what DMX sold in 1998. And I bought that. I bought both his albums, you know, I mean, I don't know what that sold, you know.

[Adri]

Yeah, and there's, there's an art critic, I think his name is, is Donald Cuspit. And he wrote a book a couple years ago where he talks about post art and how art is now an adjunct of the entertainment business and how like the aesthetic identity of art has been replaced with the commodity identity of art. And he, he was just speaking on like a modern and he. It's funny because his perspective is kind of like an art is dead, which is the opposite of what we're saying. But he said that in like 2004. And I just think it's interesting how much that that's become more and more true over time. Not the art being dead part, but just how like art has become less about the art and become more about how it can be commercialized. And I think that especially now that we have like the whole AI thing being tied into, I think it's only unfortunately going to get worse.

[Wayno]

Oh yeah.

[Adri]

But I think within the hip hop community, I feel like we just have to keep aggressively not caring because I feel like we get baited real easily. Complex. Gonna put on a top 10 list and people are going to be enraged for weeks. I think we need to just. It's one thing to have conversations. I love conversations. I could talk all day facts. But it's like I think we do get baited by things too easily and I think we need to have conversations about the right things instead of the same tired, especially the same negative things. Like a lot of hip hop discourse is so miserable.

[Deontay Kyle]

Well, so it's a dominant, It's a dominant. It's the dominant genre and is black, is black music. And I think that they're ready for it to be over with and it's not. And also like I will eat at a restaurant if the food is good. They don't have to have a Michelin star. That's what numbers are for. That if you, if you have numbers and you, you have the, if you break records, that's just Michelin starved to me. That doesn't mean the food isn't good. That doesn't mean it's not a great restaurant. It's just like, this is the A, this is a rating. This is a corporate rating at this point too. It's not even what it originally meant. So for me it's like numbers are great. I know the best Albums don't get the best numbers.

[Wayno]

Yeah, because.

[Deontay Kyle]

Because like the, the culture within the culture is micro, as you know. I mean the macro culture is consumers of playlist music of like, you got to put it right in front of them. They're not. Not digging in the crate, so to speak. And they don't actually give a about it. They care about what's popular.

[Wayno]

Yeah, and this AI is wild because. Listen, man, listen, we just don't.

[Deontay Kyle]

Timberland let me down, bro.

[Wayno]

We don't listen. We don't listen to history, man. Scott, they told us what everything was going to happen with Terminator 1, the Matrix.

[Deontay Kyle]

They did tell us.

[Wayno]

Yeah, it's gonna. Robophobia is gonna be a thing one day. You know what I mean?

[Adri]

Your kid is a robophobia.

[Wayno]

Robophobia is gonna be a thing. When a kid 25, 30 years from now come home and his girl is a robot and you like, I ain't in the robots and the robot going combat you and say, I have feelings just like everybody else.

[Adri]

I read a book with this exact plot not too long ago.

[Wayno]

I'm telling you, man, this is real. But now the robots is telling us. Because you see what happened on Twitter, right? We seen that. All of them accounts that was baiting us in the arguments with some over in India, bro, You know, there's in.

[Deontay Kyle]

Russia and all that saying this, you.

[Adri]

Know, and the thing is like, this is my stance on it. If non black people want to listen to, appreciate, or even say nice things about hip hop, I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's build it. Having a lot of criticisms about something that you can never be thorough enough in to fully understand is where I have a problem. Because. Because this is my thing, I think. And I think this applies to all non black people. But like white people especially have this thing. I feel like they think they're held to an unfair standard when like, realistically, it's like, no, everybody else been doing this. You're just the only one that's not doing it. So it feels like we're only calling you out. I grew up listening to a lot of Spanish music. I listened to mad reggaeton, bachata, whatever. I have 0% Latin in me. Not one person in my bloodline is Spanish. I'm not about to get in a conversation with a bunch of Dominicans and tell them that, oh well, actually I think I've been tour clears is clear Romeo set. You know what I mean? Like, that's just not, you know, if they ask Me, my opinion, I might be like, well, yeah, I actually really like Prince Royce. And I, you know, he's, he's got some albums that I really like and if I, you know, it's. It's only positive to say something positive. But I'm not about to act like I have some authority on something that is not really. It's not mine. And I'm almost like, why do you feel comfortable tearing down something and saying speaking so negatively? And I think there is a way to critique things without being derogatory and doing it in a constructive manner.

[Deontay Kyle]

Constructive, because let Anthony Fantano's opinion matter facts.

[Adri]

But you know, the thing is too, it's crazy because I was.

[Deontay Kyle]

He's not even terrible, but.

[Adri]

Right. I was like, I'm not even familiar with his content until. Well, still not. But like, I'll still, I'll see. I just don't really consume a lot of like, like music critic content because I like to form my own opinion opinions first. But you know, when I see clips and stuff, I'm like, I think the best thing that he has to offer is when he speaks on things objectively and he tells you like this online. He has a really good understanding of just how music works and he has the vocabulary for it. I can appreciate that. Now when you get to call a red veil a Copycat Earl sweatshirt.

[Wayno]

Now I'm like, he called Red Villa copycats Earl sweatshirt.

[Adri]

That was his most recent review of the album. That cannot last this year is positive. The album, was it 2017? I don't know. Prior to that he gave a very poor rating too. He did the same thing with. With Mike. His. He gave out an album review, pretty low score. Then he's the same with thing with Isaiah Rashad.

[Deontay Kyle]

Also, like, yo, you should only be going after chart Populous Rap. Don't dig into our, like, stay out our. Stay on our underground. If that's not your, you know, that's not your bag. You know what I mean? And also, you know, you don't relate to this. I could understand how a popular rap album released by a major record label is for everybody. And yeah, I still don't want to hear white people's opinions on it. But Anthony Fantano, like you said, with the language and the understanding of like, objectively what's good and bad and technically, yeah, I get it. But it's also like, that also makes other white people feel like, oh, well, he made a career out of it.

[Wayno]

Yeah, it's that whole idea, this fake ass cookout that exists Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

It's, it's, it's, it's, it's just I'm shooting the cookout.

[Wayno]

Yeah. No facts. It's this idea of this cookout. Just because somebody can rap your favorite song, it's like, oh, no, he cool. He could say whatever.

[Deontay Kyle]

No, you know, you could do this.

[Wayno]

You know, you're down with that? Get the out of here, man. I honestly, like you said, I, I don't want to hear if it's something. Music that is brought up, comes from our culture, whatever the case may be. And it's talking about like our plight or our pain or whatever. Don't tell me you know nothing about that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Like, because also, like, don't call Dolce Harriet Tubman music.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Don't let Drake, which is insane because.

[Adri]

Have you listened to it? Like, that doesn't even make sense.

[Deontay Kyle]

It doesn't because they're just disrespecting her because she's dark skinned. And that's like, I know that the racism is baked into the opinion, but also, like, if I go in your house, like, let's say you invite me over for dinner and your parents start arguing, I just sit back and shut the up.

[Adri]

Like this. Jones, you're tripping right now.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, do that. Like, yeah, bro, because now you're gonna get up by everybody because, like, yo, you're a guest.

[Wayno]

Yeah, right.

[Deontay Kyle]

You don't have an opinion. You just sit back. Yeah, we wiling right now, but we wild.

[Adri]

Yeah, this is our house, unreasonable ass. Because I don't say.

[Deontay Kyle]

And I can wild out in my house. What is white people's music? I don't wild out. I can wild out in my own house. You know what I mean? But I don't like, I'm, I don't have any objective opinions on dance hall music. I'm not from Jamaica, right? It's not my. Like, I can appreciate it. I'm not rating it. I'm not.

[Wayno]

But I think that even, I think that even if you do, you like it enough and you like something over something else. Like the opinion. Like, remember we just talking about the women, right? Like it. Even with white people speaking about black music, it always come with some little funny. Like a little. You know what I mean?

[Adri]

Someone has to get torn down for another person.

[Wayno]

It gotta say some little funny. Will you be like, yo, bro, like, what the are you talking about?

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, what is that?

[Wayno]

I think that you. I think if you listen to music, right, like, everybody can have an objective opinion to some sort of extent. But don't Start telling me nothing about what niggas go through. Like, please.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah, bro, this is like you overstepping. And it's also like you hiding behind this fucking rap page.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Just saying shit. You know what I mean?

[Adri]

Like, it's crazy to me. I feel like the. I will. Literally yesterday I got a comment saying, like, I will never listen to a woman's opinion on 2000s music. Mind you, I was talking about the 90s. But that's not neither here nor there. I go to the profile picture. I can't see nothing but a white chin. So I don't really know what else is happening. But it's like, where have we come to as a community where white men primarily and white women are more graciously accepted and feel more comfortable speaking in hip hop spaces than black women do? That is beyond me. And I'm not saying that that's as like a diss towards black men in particular. I'm just saying, like, as a collective, we clearly let. Like, they just got too comfortable.

[Wayno]

I'm telling you, it's a. We created it.

[Deontay Kyle]

And it do be, though. It do be just like, oh, this white girl likes west side Gun.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Adri]

Let me tell you something.

[Wayno]

She's cultured.

[Adri]

Let me tell you something. And this is what blows me. I. I feel like. And this is definitely my just, like, personal experience coming through. So I'm definitely, like, biased in that sense. I feel like a lot of I will see so many times, you know, a white girl will go viral for simply knowing that a rap song exists, for simply knowing a Westside Gun song, for simply, like, you know, doing a little thirst track, Thirst Trap to MF Doom. And you know what? Go ahead. Because what you're doing does not affect me in any way. So I'm not necessarily, like, hating on that in particular. But then when I say, well, actually, you know, I think the black album's a little bit better than Reasonable Doubt. Shut up, you big fat black. Like, whoa. Because now I. I feel like I have to be perfect. And I'm sure, you know, some of the white girls are held to that.

[Wayno]

You said the black album better than a Reasonable Doubt.

[Adri]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

It'S not a crazy type.

[Wayno]

That is.

[Adri]

It's not. But anyways, you know, the only reason.

[Deontay Kyle]

It'S crazy is because, like, will never forget how they were introduced to something.

[Wayno]

I think it's that also because I'm not. Listen, we comparing classic to classic.

[Adri]

Yeah.

[Wayno]

So it's not like you said kingdom come. You know what I mean?

[Adri]

It's not.

[Wayno]

You Said Magna Carta Holy Grail. It's not. You said that. Right.

[Deontay Kyle]

Hold on. What are we talking about though? Like those aren't bad albums.

[Wayno]

Magna Carta Holy Grail is not. Oh my God. It's not as bad Kingdom come as they're at the bottom of his own.

[Adri]

Right? Yeah.

[Wayno]

So of course.

[Adri]

30 something.

[Wayno]

The bias that I have. Right. And I'm not going to knock you for it.

[Deontay Kyle]

It was a fucking horrible Holy Grail part that like threw me off because Nickels and Dimes is on that album. That is hard.

[Wayno]

Yeah, but no, there's good songs on there. But I'm just saying like.

[Deontay Kyle]

I know. I get exactly what you're saying.

[Wayno]

The bias is just that like I. I was able to experience seeing what was going. And I wasn't in the. I was 12, 13 when that album came out. 2003. Two. Yeah, 2003. I was. I was working at Rockefeller when that album came out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean great albums. I just. That album just means more to me for me. And that's just personal preference. That don't mean that you don't know shit.

[Adri]

And I think that's an important distinction to make that a lot of people don't really recognize is that like you need to be able to separate. I personally like this because my brain is wired to enjoy this thing. That does not mean that it's bad. And just because I like something doesn't also mean that it's like objectively good. And I put the quotes around objectively because people seem to push back on this idea that music has any object subjective qualities. Yes, music is subjective. That doesn't mean that it completely lacks any objective traits that can be measured in some qualitative way. Those things exist. That's why music theory is a thing. Y' all just don't read.

[Wayno]

I'm gonna tell you what's so crazy about what you saying to the person that's gonna hear it on the Internet. Do not use words as they are defined at all. Yeah, the words don't mean like when you say a word and you use it as its definition, they tell you that you're wrong for using the words definition as the definition. Because it don't mean that.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. And also like are to that point so simple minded that if they can't relate to the music then they gotta run to them. Yeah. That's the only time they do it. I can't relate to this music. I don't understand it. It's not made for me. So let's Run to the numbers.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

When it's like, you know, and he shoe. He who shall remain unnamed does morph into several different genres all the time, based on having writers and.

[Wayno]

And.

[Deontay Kyle]

And instilling lingo and forcing accents and doing things like that, where it is, like, palatable to everybody because he makes music to be palatable to everybody, especially young people.

[Wayno]

Fair.

[Deontay Kyle]

So, yeah, I mean, you got it. Like. Like, that can't be the barometer for anything because it's like, well, what am I going to compare that to? Like, if I had a room full of writers and I didn't have to be genuine to where I'm from.

[Adri]

Right, right.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah.

[Adri]

And that's. That's really what. Just call it things, what it is. Like, I feel like whenever I'm talking about. When I say someone's a better rapper, I'm talking about the rapping. I'm not talking about the aesthetics. I'm not talking about, like, I'm talking about the rapping, Talking about the rap. And I feel like you would imagine you go to a restaurant and the server gives you this amazing meal, and then somebody asks you, like. Like, oh, who. Who's the greatest pizza maker? Oh, it's this waiter right here. The waiter is not who made it. The cook in the back that you've never seen in your life is the one that made it. You can still give the waiter props for having a great demeanor and a lovely personality. And you tipped in 20 because he gave you such an amazing experience. That is its own separate thing. But I'm not giving the waiter the best chef award when he didn't cook.

[Wayno]

I have no arguments here.

[Deontay Kyle]

I feel like we just end the episode. Overall, what a great year in hip hop. Great year overall. Thank y' all for pulling up. I wish we could go on longer, but with time constraints, you know what I'm saying? But, yeah, let's. Let's go through. Let's objectively. Are me and you on the same page as, like, favorite hip hop album of the year, Alfredo 2.

[Adri]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Where you at? Yeah. And. And I think one of us are wrong.

[Adri]

Yeah.

[Wayno]

Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

There's no wrong.

[Adri]

Strong number two for me.

[Wayno]

That's why we compare, like, a classic to a classic. Like. Yeah, I love Alfredo too. Like, I listen to that daily.

[Deontay Kyle]

I think Tyler artist of the year is great. I think malice rapper of the year.

[Adri]

I'm okay with that. Yeah.

[Wayno]

Arguable. Yeah.

[Deontay Kyle]

Yeah. I think. Well come back to. Come back after so long.

[Wayno]

Yeah, for sure.

[Deontay Kyle]

Also, you know, let's put an end to white opinions on hip hop and allow y' all to be bystanders. And let's expand our knowledge of females and hip hop beyond just what people serve you. And go search out and seek out actual credible, amazing female hip hop artists like Ashe Noir shouts out to Shay. Yeah and also great year in hip hop B dot Let this be the last year you make a list.

[Wayno]

What you know he got the six month list.

[Deontay Kyle]

I'm saying that just because he. I know he gonna say something about that, but yeah man. Wayno Adri. Thank y' all for pulling up. Adri did pull up. Make sure you go check out Cooking for the culture. And she did bring us some like s' mores cookies. S' mores cookies. That shit was smart. Fire. And Wayne O is dropping three videos a day. He's on you. He on y' all ass bro. 119 follow follow cooking for the Culture of course Grist next podcast I'm Deontay Kyle Big cat left so we out. I just want to rap. Yeah. Yeah. They say without the proper labor faith don't stand a chance. I put my faith in faith and stand on fertile land I planted seeds.

[Wayno]

Adeline deed turning the trees before rest.

[Deontay Kyle]

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