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Brian Schulmeister
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Jason DeFilippo
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Brian Schulmeister
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Jason DeFilippo
Grumpy Old Geeks, a weekly talk show hosted by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFilippo discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the Internet and who's to blame. Welcome to Grumpy Old geeks. I'm Jason DeFilippo.
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Brian Schulmeister
And I'm Brian Schulmeister.
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Jason DeFilippo
Brian, I'm back in my old studio today.
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Brian Schulmeister
Congratulations.
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Jason DeFilippo
Thank you. It's been sitting dormant for months because I haven't been able to rent it out and I just gave up the ghost. But the other reason was my roommate pointed out, you know, it's winter and it gets cold in the garage. I went out this morning, it was. It was 48 degrees in the garage. I'm like, you know, I love doing this show, but not that much. So here we are.
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Brian Schulmeister
Well, you're paying for the studio anyway, so you might as well use it.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, long story on that one got fucked over. But anyway, let's move on. What do you got for us today, Brian?
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Brian Schulmeister
Well, we've got yet another class action lawsuit, and we all know my opinion on this. You need to take these companies for whatever money is offered because, God damn it, it's your damn job to do it. And quite a few of our listeners may or may not have used this app, Cash App, which I personally have. Yeah, there you go. Well, heads up. If you've had a Cash App account over the last six years or so, you may now be able to claim thousands of dollars as a result of a class action settlement. The company proposed a $15 million settlement earlier this year following the two security incidents that they've had. Kind of bad if it's a Cash App.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, it really is.
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Brian Schulmeister
If you're eligible to make a claim, you only have a few more weeks to do so. This is a consolidated class action complaint that alleged that Cash App and parent company Block failed to enact sufficient security measures to prevent data breaches. They've denied any wrongdoing, which is why they're ponying up $15 million.
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Jason DeFilippo
Okay, $15 million doesn't seem like that much money.
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Brian Schulmeister
Yeah, but they say the settlement is not an admission of liability either. So if you've had an account between August 23, 2018 and August 20 of this year. You will be able to get some. The settlement will cover up to 24, $500 of out of pocket costs stemming from the breaches, as well as up to three hours worth of lost time at $25 per hour.
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Jason DeFilippo
Excuse me, I make more than $25 an hour, so what the hell.
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Brian Schulmeister
Yes. Those few hours that we work, we have to.
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Jason DeFilippo
We have to sue Jack's beard instead of suing Cash app.
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Brian Schulmeister
Yes, I agree. So there's. There it is. Go get it. Link in the show notes.
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Jason DeFilippo
Okay. I got another one this morning before the. Just right before we started recording, and I didn't have time to put it in the notes, but there's apparently a Peacock class action lawsuit that I'm getting looped in on. So if you've had Peacock in the past, however long it is, check your email because you might be part of a class action for that one too.
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Brian Schulmeister
All right. I don't think I've ever actually paid.
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Jason DeFilippo
For Peacock, so I did for a while there was one show that I wanted to watch. That was it.
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Brian Schulmeister
Yes. Isn't this new Brave World of streaming awesome?
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, maybe I'll get some cash back on that. That would be nice. Because Peacock was definitely the weakest of all of the streaming services. Oh, no, no, I take that back. A and E was definitely the worst. That was only Interview with a Vampire and that only show on there, but Peacock's second worst. So I've been saying this since the day that Elon announced this, Brian, and it's finally, finally hitting the news. Tesla's decision to rely solely on camera based sensors for its full self driving technology is under scrutiny because Unlike competitors using LiDAR and radar, Tesla did eliminate ultrasonic sensors back in 2022, opting exclusively for cameras. The approach has faced criticism, especially after incidents where FSD equipped vehicles failed detect obstacles at low villability conditions like fog or sun glare. I don't know if you saw the video going around this week, Brian, but it was of a Tesla driving at night that just plowed down a deer. A little baby deer, about the size of a small child.
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Brian Schulmeister
Fucking Bambi killed Bambi.
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Jason DeFilippo
Fucking Bambi. I know. So the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is investigating for such collisions, including a fatality potentially leading to a recall of, wait for it, 2.4 million vehicles. Okay, now we know recall means not really recall anymore, so, you know, press the update button. Experts suggest that weather conditions can impair camera performance, posing challenges for Tesla's planned robo taxi service, which we know is never going to be here.
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Brian Schulmeister
No.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah. Despite CEO Elon Musk's long standing promises of imminent fully autonomous vehicles, Tesla's FSD technology continues to lag behind competitors like Waymo. Yeah, we know, we know because we follow Waymo. So, yeah, I said, from the day, from the get, when he said we're taking away lidar, it's like, no, that's the thing you need. You need depth perception. I don't care how many cameras you have, you're not going to get proper depth perception. And that's what you need for cars.
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Brian Schulmeister
You're going to need your car to work in fog. I'm just saying. Especially if you're trying to go for San Francisco.
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Jason DeFilippo
I saw a hack this morning on Instagram. Somebody was, it was, it was basically a fog driving hack where somebody was holding up their iPhone to the window because it cleared out the fog. It made it look much better. So they were looking at their iPhone while they're driving through the fog. It was great.
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Brian Schulmeister
Who knew the Tesla needs a Rudolph.
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Jason DeFilippo
In the news now, Brian, it's been an interesting week for Trump Social, it is now apparently has transferred over to Meme stock land because there's two headlines which I loved. First one was Trump's social media company is now worth more than Musk's X after recent surge in stock price. Now this was early in the week and so it saw Trump Social jump to over $10 billion in value. Now the funny part about that is X is now only worth 9.4 billion. What's the bigger headline there? Yeah, it was 44 billion, now it's 9.4. That's a lot of shareholder value that just went out the window. Everybody was. I mean, that made the mainstream news. That's the only reason I found out about it, because it was on the LA news. I'm like, wow, that's interesting. Sort of. And then of course, at the end of the week, Trump loses $1.3 billion in net worth after the worst ever day for his social media stock. The meme giveth the mem taketh away.
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Brian Schulmeister
Yeah, I haven't really been following. I got really depressed when you posted the first one about it going up and been just doing really, really well. And I got really happy when he posted the second one where it tanked because as Scott Galloway has long since claimed, and I also believe, I think, that the stock price for True Social, which yes, it is a meme stock, I would actually more consider it a political Stock because his belief is the. That this is going to be a harbinger of the election. The better his stock does is the better chance that he has of winning the election. The worse his stock does, the worse chance he has. Because basically nobody in their right mind would actually fucking invest in this company. It's purely putting your money in Trump's mouth.
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Jason DeFilippo
Right, right. It's a campaign contribution for the most part.
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Brian Schulmeister
Exactly. That's all it is. So good to see it go down. I'm happy about that.
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Jason DeFilippo
Okay. Hopefully somebody shorted it.
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Brian Schulmeister
They actually use a different term for it for true social. It's small. Handing it.
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Jason DeFilippo
Okay, nice.
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Brian Schulmeister
Thank you. Got some breaking news, Jason. Standing desks are the new eggs.
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Jason DeFilippo
Are they as delicious, though?
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Brian Schulmeister
Absolutely not. Unless yours is made of chocolate.
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Jason DeFilippo
Ooh.
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Brian Schulmeister
Yeah. So this just came out. There's been a massive series of studies about this and as we know, the global market for standing desks is booming. Projected to reach $12.6 billion by 2032. I am sitting at a standing desk right now.
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Jason DeFilippo
I am standing at a standing desk right now.
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Brian Schulmeister
But yeah, I know you've got as well. Now, I put a bunch of stuff in here from the article. You might want to go read it yourself if you're interested in this and following it. This was a study from Australia which involved over 83,000 participants, which is not insignificant. And the TLDR on this is just standing or just sitting are both bad. You need to move your ass. So basically you need a treadmill desk.
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Jason DeFilippo
Had one of those.
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Brian Schulmeister
It's hard to work when you're doing that. It really is.
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Jason DeFilippo
You get used to it. You get used to it. But honestly, just move around a lot. If you're standing in one place and not moving your feet. Yeah, you're going to get the same problems. Yeah, it's never been about always standing or always. I always switch it up. That's why I got the motorized one like, you know, seven or eight years ago.
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Brian Schulmeister
Yep.
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Jason DeFilippo
I got, I got a motorized standing desk with a really nice chair. So I sit for about 20% of the day and I stand for about 80%. And about out of that 80%. 20% is on a Bosu balance ball.
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Brian Schulmeister
Yeah. I try to follow the 40, 20 rule where if I'm working for 40 minutes, I get up and walk around for 20. I know that's hard to do for.
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Jason DeFilippo
Some pomodoro, but yeah, yeah, it works. It really works.
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Brian Schulmeister
So don't do either for a long time. It's almost kind of a no brainer But I mean, to be fair, standing desks have marketed themselves as healthier than a normal desk and not really true.
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Jason DeFilippo
I don't know about that. I think it. I think they definitely are. But it's. It's all about the dose. You know, the poison is in the dose. Well, let's shift gears a little bit here. We've got some Facebook news. In a troubling development, anti government militia groups are using Facebook to recruit and organize openly ahead of the US Election next week.
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Brian Schulmeister
So just like the last time, except.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Extremist groups like the 3 percenters are discussing Civil War preparations. 3% because that's as high as they can count. Including ballot box stakeouts to monitor election activity. Meta Facebook's parent company has reportedly banned such groups. But data from the Tech Transparency project reveals over 260 Facebook groups and pages are still in use by malicious since 2021 with some pages. Wait for it, Brian. Even auto generated by Facebook's algorithms.
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Brian Schulmeister
I had no idea that that was actually happening. I mean, not even just for militia groups, but just in general the fact that Facebook's algorithms is auto generating groups that they hope people will populate. I hate Facebook.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, this is an old thing. I thought they got rid of the practice, but yeah, they've been doing that for God, long, long time, obviously. But yeah, I remember when they were doing this and I was like, what? They were pre populating it with content from around Facebook. So when somebody stumbled upon it, the knitting ponies group, they could have one ready and spun up and ready to join. They're like, oh, you're the first person to join. Would you like to run the whole thing? Sure. Great. It's going to be a fun election year.
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Brian Schulmeister
I'm happy to be out of the country for this one.
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Jason DeFilippo
I bet.
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Brian Schulmeister
Yeah. I got some pink slip news, Jason. We haven't done that in a while. For the second time in less than two years, Dropbox is laying off a substantial portion of its workforce. In a blog post penned by CEO Drew Houston, the company said it would cut its global headcount by 20% or 528employees. Not insignificant. They will provide impacted workers with up to 16 weeks of pay, with tenured employees eligible for one additional week of pay for each complete year they worked at the company. All impacted employees will see their year end equity vest and the company will provide dedicated support to immigrant workers with one on one consultation and extra transition time. Okay, Houston Road. We continue to see its softening demand and macro headwinds in our core business. But external factors are only part of the story. We've heard from many of you that our organizational structure has become overly complex, much like my Dropbox itself, with excess layers of management slowing us down. Partway through last year, they had laid off 500 employees, which was 16% of its workforce at the time. Basically the theme here compared to what he said at the time they did the previous layoffs. Slowing growth, which makes sense because basically cloud storage is dime a dozen at this point.
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Jason DeFilippo
Exactly. I mean, I went back to it after I was using iCloud for. I was using Dropbox forever. Then I went to iCloud because iCloud was included in all my stuff. ICloud sucks for a lot of things. The main fact is that you can't force an update like you can with Dropbox. So I went back to Dropbox. So I pay Dropbox, but I just pay them a little less than I used to. That's all. I still like the product. I'm not.
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Brian Schulmeister
Yeah, I can do a fine job. The integrations are great. It's convenient. It's more convenient and easier than most, but obviously probably not for much longer.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, and they've been trying to diversify. Like I talked about last episode when I was talking about DocuSign, how they saw the writing on the wall for their product just basically being commoditized. Dropbox actually has a version of that built into it. And the problem is that they're just trying to decommoditize themselves by adding on other commoditized features. So it's like there has to, at some point, there has to have some innovation along the way, you know, And I think what we're seeing here, too, is that there's a lot of extra headcount after the pandemic, and a lot of companies are still. They're still trying to figure out how to, you know, reduce that headcount. It's just taken some longer than others.
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Brian Schulmeister
I guess that's true. All right, well, let's get into the AI segment. It's unavoidable these days. We have to do it every single time. But this one is a bit of a. Bit of an eye opener for me. We've talked a bit about OpenAI's whisper. I think you even ran some of our podcasts through it every now and then.
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Jason DeFilippo
They use it every week.
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Brian Schulmeister
They use it every week. Have you been double checking it's work, Jason?
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Jason DeFilippo
Oh, absolutely. I actually. Yeah, yeah. Continue, Brian. We'll talk about it in a second.
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Brian Schulmeister
Okay. As this article states, imagine going to the doctor, telling them exactly how you're feeling and then a transcription later adds false information and alters your story. Apparently this is happening a lot with people using OpenAI's whisper. Over a dozen developers, software engineers and academic researchers have been looking into this and found evidence that Whisperer creates hallucinations, which is inventive text in this claim place. That includes made up medications, racial commentary and violent remarks. According to ABC News, in the last month open source AI platform hugging face saw 4.2 million downloads of Whisper's latest version. This tool is also built into Oracle and Microsoft's cloud computing platforms along with some versions of ChatGPT. Harmful evidence is quite extensive with experts finding significant faults with Whisper across the board. So, you know, basically the TLDR on this and there's a lot of examples in this article, is it's fun. Is it ready for prime time? Maybe, maybe not. Should you be using it in life and death situations? Abso fucking lutely not.
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Jason DeFilippo
Oh hell no. No, they are.
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Brian Schulmeister
And the problem is people are. Yeah, over 30,000 clinicians and 40 health systems are using Whisper for medical transcription right now.
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Jason DeFilippo
Oh, you should not do that.
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Brian Schulmeister
Well, they are.
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Jason DeFilippo
No, they are.
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Brian Schulmeister
So, you know, it's one thing to throw a podcast in there and spit it out. It's another thing to be doing banking. People in banking are using it. People obviously in the medical situation are using it bad. These aren't finished products. We all know this. It's in the news every fucking day.
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Jason DeFilippo
And it's free.
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Brian Schulmeister
I don't free. Don't trust anything free. I don't want any of my medical stuff.
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Jason DeFilippo
Shouldn't be going through free systems or WordPress or Linux. Never use Linux. It's free. What the hell's wrong with you people? Kidding. No, this one is. It's just not good. I was running some of Christopher Lockhead's podcasts through it because then I was going to take those transcripts and run them through some other software and I was doing a bunch of stuff with it and I noticed in Whisper there was one time and I talked about this on the show. I don't have the example in front of me, but there were URLs that were putting it in the middle of the conversation over and over and over again. It was like somebody hacked the model to insert to inject their URL, but it was for something like homehairpermanents.com or some shit like that. It was something totally random and didn't sound like what was Being spoken about. And it was really, really strange and it was happening in different parts of the conversation from different speakers at the same time. It was totally not ready for primetime. So I switched models and it went away. But I think I was using one of the faster models and I switched to like a medium model and it came back just fine. But yeah, you gotta check that stuff. You can't just let it go. So I mean, it's a great starting point if you have somebody on staff that wants to, you know, just basically run through and do the transcript, like check the transcription, it's perfect starting point for that. But if you're just going to take it, run it and then put it on your website or give it to, I don't know, your patient.
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Brian Schulmeister
Yeah. Or not the patient you're giving it to like the pharmacist or you're giving it to the surgeon. I mean.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, that's even worse. Yeah, yeah. Left arm versus right arm switch. Switcheroo. Bad. Very bad. Well, speaking of OpenAI, ChatGPT can now search the web in a much better way than before. You can get fast, timely answers with links to relevant web sources which would have previously needed to go to go to a search engine for this blends the benefits of a natural language interface with the value of up to date sports scores, news, stock quotes and more. ChatGPT will choose to search the web based on what you ask, or you can manually choose to search by clicking the web search icon that is directly from their press release. And it showed up in my ChatGPT app yesterday. And I've been giving it a go and it's not bad because it actually lists the sources as well. Kind of like perplexity does.
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Brian Schulmeister
Right.
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Jason DeFilippo
There are some that have obviously blocked it. I think TechCrunch is one of them because basically I can put in summarize this article with the URL and basically I was looking at a TechCrunch article, copied the URL, popped it in and said we can't get that one. No explanation, that one's unavailable. Sorry about that. Try something else. Would you like to go here or that? And everything else that I put in was fine. And then I tried it again a little bit later. No, it wasn't a temporary glitch. It was definitely not being able to get the story. So maybe it's maybe, maybe. Brian. It's respectingRobots TXT maybe, maybe, maybe. Yeah. Then I just copied the article content, popped it into OpenAI or ChatGPT. It summarizes just fine. So there's always a workaround.
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Brian Schulmeister
Yeah.
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Jason DeFilippo
Have you tried it yet?
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Brian Schulmeister
ChatGPT search? No, I've let it go on Google. So I'm getting Google's AI summarized search results just to kind of see how they're doing and they're okay. It depends on what you're searching for. If it's a straightforward technical or a question or fact based thing, it's generally pretty good. If you ask anything more esoteric, I scroll past it and go look at things elsewhere.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, yeah, it's. It's hit or miss, definitely, but just keep that glue off the pasta, Brian. Keep the glue off the pasta.
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Brian Schulmeister
I'm attempting to do so.
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Jason DeFilippo
OpenAI CEO Sam Altman revealed that limited computing power is delaying the rollout of new AI products during a Reddit AMA. So he's saying that the growing complexity of AI models has forced OpenAI to make tough decisions about how to allocate its compute resources. That's because Elon bought all the GPUs nowadays, so. And what they're going to be doing is they're going to be working with Broadcom to develop their own AI chip, which could be ready by 2026.
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Brian Schulmeister
All right.
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Jason DeFilippo
There's only so many computers in the world.
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Brian Schulmeister
I guess you remember like we had a open SETI where we donated our own personal compute time to find extraterrestrial life.
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Jason DeFilippo
Of course I do, Brian.
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Brian Schulmeister
Okay. Well, I'm just saying Sam Altman could pay us a couple pittances and I'll open up my compute for a bit.
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Jason DeFilippo
I don't know about you, Brian. Did you listen to the Hard Fork podcast?
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Brian Schulmeister
I did for a little bit. It kind of dropped off my radar.
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Jason DeFilippo
Okay. I was listening this morning to they had Miles Brundage on. Do you remember him? We talked about him like a couple weeks ago. He was the former OpenAI senior advisor on artificial general intelligence readiness.
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Brian Schulmeister
Ah, yes.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, well, they had him on today. And since he lives in the AIG world, you know, if you're near a hammer, everything's a nail. He was talking about how the world is going to change when we do have artificial general intelligence. And I just want to know what the fuck he's smoking and can I get some? Because the way he's explaining it, we just watched the Was it episode two of the latest season of Lower Decks where there was this post scarcity world and everybody's like, woo, this is a fantastic. We got replicators. We don't need to do anything anymore. Yep, this guy is. He's in his head AIG is going to be like, we wake up one morning and we have replicators and people are going to be able to retire. There's going to be. The economy is going to be phenomenal across the globe. Everything is going to be great. And I'm like, is your AI going to come replace the tile in my bathroom?
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Brian Schulmeister
Yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing about these people that have drunk their own fucking Kool Aid with this stuff. It's, what do you need? What do you need in life, Jason? You need food. Okay, we need a replicator for that. Fucking artificial intelligence isn't going to solve that. You need clothes, ditto. Okay, maybe robots can make some clothes. So it's a bit cheaper, but still got to pay for those robots and.
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Jason DeFilippo
You got to make the robots.
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Brian Schulmeister
Make the robots. Yeah, Got to fucking lube them up every now and then. Somebody's got to do all that sort of stuff. Still got to get all the raw materials that isn't created by the robots. Housing, ditto. Same thing. Maybe they can build the houses. Somebody's got to get the lumber. Somebody's got to pay for the lumber. It's all such a little, you know, and it's just so stupid. And, you know, the rich thing about this is literally, it's only the rich guys that talk about this utopia, it's the ones that are living in a current utopia, on their taking their money baths that are telling us that we.
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Jason DeFilippo
Don'T need to be worried about this 110%, man. And it's like, they have such a narrow view of the world. It's like, go outside. Is your AIG going to clean the fucking manpu off the sidewalks in San Francisco? No, it's not.
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Brian Schulmeister
No, it's not.
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Jason DeFilippo
I don't know what. It has its place. It's doing some interesting things. Some things it's obviously not doing. Like, we just covered with whisper, you know. If it can't do a transcription, how is it going to rule the world, Brian? Yep, that's. That's all I want to know. If it can't do a basic transcription and understand our language, how is it going to rule and run the world?
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Brian Schulmeister
And I can't remember who I was listening to. I have kind of upped my tech podcast listing recently, but I can't remember who it was. But somebody said something along the lines of, I'm really tired of the hypocrisy of all these people that have stayed two, three, four, five years with in AI companies, made $100 million and now that they've got all their money, they're out there talking smack and worry about this. That's also happening. I'm sick.
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Jason DeFilippo
That was our show two weeks ago.
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Brian Schulmeister
Well, it's, I mean, everything I hear on every tech show was our show two weeks ago.
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Jason DeFilippo
Exactly. No, we talked, we literally talked about that two weeks ago. And it's, I'm sure it's probably Scott Galloway because. Do you still listen to. You still listen to him, don't you?
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Brian Schulmeister
No, I went back to do just the kind of what you should be doing with AI special series that they're doing, but I can't listen to the normal show anymore.
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Jason DeFilippo
Okay. I, I think it's a general sentiment now that we've all, we've all kind of pulled the curtain back and we've seen the fact that these guys, once they cash out, that they're, they're good. They're. They're all good. On, on highlighting the, the badness in the room, you know.
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Brian Schulmeister
Well, as you were just saying, if we, if we whisper AI can't even do transcripts correctly, we should be a little bit worried. Apparently not. Sundar Pichai.
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Jason DeFilippo
He's not worried about what's all Sundar up to now.
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Brian Schulmeister
Good old Google CEO Sundar just revealed that AI now generates more than a new code for its products, according to a company's earning call transcribed by Ars Technica. So maybe they got it wrong if they use AI transcription. I hope they got it wrong because it's going to make me stop using Google products, I'll tell you that much. Chai did say that human programmers oversee the computer generated code, which is something. The CEO noted that AI coding helps with boosting productivity and efficiency, ensuring that engineers do more and move faster. There's no two ways around it. 25% is a lot. And Google is just one company relying on AI algorithms to perform complex coding tasks. According to Stack Overflow's 2024 developer survey, over 75% of respondents are already using or planning to use AI tools to assist with software development. Another survey by GitHub indicated that 92% of US based developers are currently using AI coding tools. This leads us to the rampaging elephant in the room. According to this article, as AI continues to gobble up coding tasks, human experience starts to dwindle. This could eventually lead to a decreased knowledge base in which humans don't know how to fix errors created by AI algorithms that were in turn created by other AI algorithms. So here we go, the ouroboros of confusion. Where it's nearly impossible to detect bugs amidst generations of AI code. Fun times.
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Jason DeFilippo
Exactly what we said about a year and a half ago. The exact same thing. Exactly the same thing. Amazon is also doing the same thing. We just covered that about three or four weeks ago. Where they're using, you know, they're using AI to upgrade their Java installs. That was the article that they're talking about. But yeah, if you don't have the requisite coding skills to know what you're looking at, then how are you going to fact check anything? It is the slippery slope, Brian. It is the slippery slope down into the mouth of the Ouroboros. Or is it the anus? We don't know because it's all the same.
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Brian Schulmeister
Yeah. Good times.
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Jason DeFilippo
Well. Yep. In a move shaking up the AI industry, the Open Source Initiative, or osi, has released a formal definition of open AI, sparking debate with companies like Meta. The OSI now requires fully, quote, unquote, open AI systems to provide access to their training data, code and model settings.
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Brian Schulmeister
Are you saying if you're calling yourself open AI, you need to actually be open?
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Jason DeFilippo
Exactly. Which we've been saying all along, that Facebook is releasing these quote, unquote, open source models that aren't.
- [26:45]
Brian Schulmeister
Yep.
- [26:45]
Jason DeFilippo
So that's what they're coming out saying. And yeah, so this is just going to lead to everybody going, osi who?
- [26:53]
Brian Schulmeister
Exactly. You're not the boss of me.
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Jason DeFilippo
And they're really not, so. They're really not.
- [26:59]
Brian Schulmeister
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I just close out news with this story. Elon Musk fans are losing so much money to crypto scams. Elon Musk isn't just the richest person in the world, he's also an investor in cryptocurrency. And the fact that Musk very publicly promotes crypto, especially his dumb coins that don't do anything, means a lot of people on social media don't find it suspicious at all when they see videos of the billionaire promising to make them rich with some shady crypto investment. Deepfake videos and Musk hawking crypto are incredibly common on sites like Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, blah, blah, blah. All the socials, including X. I guess they can't even clean it up there. And Gizmodo has attained official complaints with the often shocking stories and they're published in the article, linked in our show notes. And I scan through this. Holy shit.
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Jason DeFilippo
That bad?
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Brian Schulmeister
A, people are fucking dumb and B, they're really, really, really losing a lot of money. As the article points out, it's actually kind of shocking when you read through the FTC complaints. People reported losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in relatively short periods of time.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yay.
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Brian Schulmeister
The funny thing is, they're only kind of banging on about the deepfake videos of Musk Hawking Crypto, as opposed to the reality videos of Musk Hawking crypto, which he does see.
- [28:11]
Jason DeFilippo
That's. That's the point. Was it Elon or not? Come on, can you really tell?
- [28:16]
Brian Schulmeister
Not anymore.
- [28:23]
Jason DeFilippo
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Brian Schulmeister
Media Candy well, two of my favorite bands of all time have released brand new albums within a week of each other and I'm I don't even know what to do with myself. First up, Underworld came out with Strawberry Hotel, just released last week. I've been listening to it pretty much nonstop. It's a. It's not quite the glory days, but it's good and I like having it on in the background when I'm doing other things. And there's a couple like really good bangers that make me definitely want to go see them live when they come through town again. And of course, my favorite band of all time has released their first album in over 16 years. As of this morning, the Cure put out Songs of a Lost World. And let me tell you the kind of disconnect I had in my life when I put on NPR this morning, as I usually do, and NPR is talking about the Cure and does an interview with Robert Smith, npr. That's how my world has changed.
- [32:28]
Jason DeFilippo
Yeah. Yeah.
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Brian Schulmeister
I mean, the Cure used to be like one of the most underground bands. And there is a. I've talked about this before too. Like just being friends with so many people from my high school on Facebook and all that sort of stuff. And people are talking about the Cure and I'm like, what is this revisionist history that has happened? You did not listen to the Cure back in high school. There were maybe six of us at my high school that listened to the Cure. You called us fucking weirdos and you were rocking out to Debbie Gibson and new kids on the block. But okay, fine.
- [32:54]
Jason DeFilippo
Fucking Bon Jovi.
- [32:56]
Brian Schulmeister
Bon Jovi. Exactly. But I'm very excited about it. Two songs have been out for a little bit over a week or two. I've liked both. Both quite a lot. It seems to be a real return to the deep, dark and depressing disintegration style. And I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet today because it came out this morning, but I can't wait.
- [33:13]
Jason DeFilippo
Deep, dark and depressing. Perfect for the election cycle.
- [33:16]
Brian Schulmeister
Exactly.
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Jason DeFilippo
I can't wait. I can't wait. Yeah, everybody go grab your yearbook from when you were in high school, Especially if you're Gen X and around when the Cure was the Cure. And just go look at the hairstyles and you can tell exactly who was listening to what. And I guarantee you, I can count on two hands the amount of people in my high school that listen to the Cure.
- [33:35]
Brian Schulmeister
But everybody listened to the Cure in Depeche Mode. Now, Jason.
- [33:38]
Jason DeFilippo
Of course. Of course. And I can, and I am proud to say that I was not one of the people that listened to the Cure and Depeche Mode. I made fun of people that listened to the Kiran, Depeche Mode. I listened to the Exploited, Dead Kennedys, Dead Milkmen, all those bands. So I didn't get into the Cure, Depeche Mode until in my 20s, you know, and I was there when it was going on.
- [33:59]
Brian Schulmeister
We had two kids in my high school that listened to the bands that you listen to, neither of which made it through high school.
- [34:05]
Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, that tracks.
- [34:07]
Brian Schulmeister
Yes, it does.
- [34:09]
Jason DeFilippo
I graduated out of summer school and I had to take PE in summer school. So, yeah, not a bunch of winners. Us.
- [34:16]
Brian Schulmeister
Yeah. A couple weeks ago, or maybe it was even last week. It's all starting to blend together. We did the massive list of all the shows that were coming out in the next couple weeks and months, some of which are out already. So, you know, it was kind of like TV Armageddon. We have so much stuff to watch in so little time. And my wife discovered a new show that I think we need to add to the list. It's going to be on Netflix. It's called A Man on the Inside. It will be premiering, I believe, November 21st. It's got Ted Danson in it, and it is done by the same team that did the Good Place.
- [34:47]
Jason DeFilippo
I watched the trailer. I'm all in. The one thing that they don't. It's great. It does. What they don't tell you in the trailer, though, is if it's a series Or a movie. You kind of have. You infer from how much story there is that they. They spoil for you that it is definitely going to be a series. Yes. But, yeah, they don't really tell you that. I had to go dig deep to figure that out, but I'm definitely adding that one to the queue. It looks like it'll be pleasant.
- [35:10]
Brian Schulmeister
Very pleasant. It looks like it'll be funny.
- [35:11]
Jason DeFilippo
So you need to watch something like that after you listen to the new Cure album.
- [35:16]
Brian Schulmeister
Yeah. On election night.
- [35:21]
Jason DeFilippo
We talked about the Diplomat coming back. Season two is out. I went and watched the first episode last night and then I looked at the. How many episodes were in the season. And last season we got eight episodes. This season we only get six, which is a fucking ripoff.
- [35:35]
Brian Schulmeister
Yeah, that sucks. I hate these small seasons. I understand. It makes the show better. It, you know, Prestige. Prestige. Well, you don't get the filler episodes with tribbles anymore, and that's the problem. I like those stupid episodes. I want seasonal episodes. I want a fucking Thanksgiving episode. I want a goddamn Christmas episode. I want all that shit.
- [35:57]
Jason DeFilippo
I want the Beverly fucking A ghost episode.
- [36:01]
Brian Schulmeister
Come on, Even Beverly doesn't want that episode back.
- [36:04]
Jason DeFilippo
No, no. The funny thing about it is I told you the story off the air, but I can tell a little bit of it here. The economics behind hit shows nowadays are so cannibalistic. I had a friend who worked on a show, was a writer, the show won an Emmy, and the first thing that the network did was was gut the writing staff because they figured that since the show won an Emmy or several Emmys, that they can now coast on the Emmy wins and don't have to write as well as they used to. That's the thinking that Hollywood has right now. So it's all about getting every penny they can out of everything they have. And it is disgusting.
- [36:40]
Brian Schulmeister
Yep, agreed.
- [36:43]
Jason DeFilippo
Ups and doodads.
- [36:46]
Brian Schulmeister
Seems a lot of tech luminaries are airing some dirty laundry in AMAs this week. And this last weekend, Instagram head Adam Mosari shared some insight into why some videos on the platform appear reduced in quality well after they're posted. And it all boils down to air quotes performance. Basically, the TLDR is if your video isn't getting a lot of plays, we don't give a shit about it. So we crank down the quality.
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Jason DeFilippo
Oh, that's nice of them.
- [37:12]
Brian Schulmeister
Isn't it nice? That is nice. They are definitely supporting their larger creators instead of their small creators. And we're all creators now, and it's because the creator economy, we create things, try to get paid for them, we don't, and then it gets fed into the AI machine. That's our life now.
- [37:29]
Jason DeFilippo
Nice. Nice. Yeah, they apparently don't give a shit about the long tail, as some videos take longer to percolate than others.
- [37:36]
Brian Schulmeister
Nope, don't care about that. It's a hit right away. Or it's not.
- [37:41]
Jason DeFilippo
Thanks, Instagram. That's so nice of you.
- [37:44]
Brian Schulmeister
So nice to know that you're putting your thumb on the wheel.
- [37:46]
Jason DeFilippo
Oh yeah, well, speaking of putting the thumb on the wheel. And we thought the algorithmic feeds were bad. Mark Zuckerberg has announced plan to integrate more AI generated content into Facebook and Instagram feeds. That's right. During the company's third quarter earnings call, he stated that users can expect a new category of AI generated or AI summarized content as well as existing content curated by AI. At least we think that's what he said, because Whisper did the transcription of the third quarter earnings call.
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Brian Schulmeister
Well, this is actually relatively smart. Unfortunately, I disagree with it. But you know, there's been this huge thing about news, right? Especially with meta. So I can't repost news stories here in Canada because they haven't. They're not going to pay up for news stories. This has been going on in Australia as well and a lot of other places. However, if you're doing AI generated summation of news stories, you get around that whole problem, don't you?
- [38:38]
Jason DeFilippo
Oh, interesting. Okay, well, maybe he's smarter than the rest of us. That's why he's a billionaire. Know what I'm saying?
- [38:49]
Brian Schulmeister
Hot or not.
- [38:53]
Jason DeFilippo
Oh, Brian, Brian, Brian. Remember Humane? The AI pin that changed the world, huh?
- [38:59]
Brian Schulmeister
Sure did.
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Jason DeFilippo
Well, the U.S. consumer Product Safety Commission has announced a recall of approximately 10,500 charging cases for the AI PIN due to a fire hazard.
- [39:08]
Brian Schulmeister
10,500 people are looking through their box of tech junk right Now.
- [39:12]
Jason DeFilippo
So the RecallFX unit sold between November 2023 and May 2024, which would be, I don't know, the only time they shipped. While no injuries have been reported, there has been one incident of a charging case, overheating and melting. So they're playing it safe.
- [39:28]
Brian Schulmeister
All right.
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Jason DeFilippo
Otis Chandler, a name I'd never heard of before. He's a co founder of Goodreads. He has launched Smashing, an AI powered app that curates web content, including news articles, blog posts and podcasts tailored to user interests. The app introduces an AI Questions feature, enabling users to explore different perspectives on stories such as political viewpoints or investment analysis. Users can create multiple interest feeds and engage with content through upvotes and downvotes, refining the app's recommendations. Also, this was one of the other people that were involved with. This is Jeff Veen, who is web royalty. He was one of the godfathers of web usability back in the day. He was at Hotwired initially. He'd written a book. I've met him a bunch of times. We ran in the same crowds when I was in San Francisco. I expected a hell of a lot more from old Jeff, but I gotta say, it looks good. It works good. Like the UI works really well. The app itself is a steaming pile of dog shit. Have you tried it yet?
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Brian Schulmeister
I haven't tried it. There was one a while back that was kind of news related that was very, very similar. And I can't rem remember what it was called. But what I discovered is I don't want it. I don't want curated news. I just want news. I want to curate myself in my brain in the time so I'm not in a fucking echo chamber. And I'm not only seeing music and soccer news, which is what happens if I let something curate for me.
- [40:53]
Jason DeFilippo
Well, it's supposed to get smarter, Brian, as you go.
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Brian Schulmeister
It doesn't.
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Jason DeFilippo
It's tailored to your interests.
- [40:59]
Brian Schulmeister
No, you just. You just go down a black hole of specific things and you don't get a big picture anymore. I want the big picture. I don't need this. No, thank you. I'll just go fix Goodreads.
- [41:10]
Jason DeFilippo
Seriously, why has nobody. I know we say it all the time. Why hasn't somebody rebuilt Goodreads? Because there's probably no money in it.
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Brian Schulmeister
No money in it?
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah. The only money comes from selling books on Amazon and getting an affiliate deal. Well, Goodreads is partnered with. Is owned by Amazon. Monopoly, anybody. So try and get a sweetheart deal from Amazon for selling books on your platform versus Goodreads. Never going to happen. Anyway, that one that you're talking about, about that was with one of the co founders from Instagram. The name is.
- [41:40]
Brian Schulmeister
I'm blanking on it.
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Jason DeFilippo
I'm blanking on it too, because I.
- [41:43]
Brian Schulmeister
Deleted it so long ago.
- [41:44]
Jason DeFilippo
I know. We deleted it when they introduced gamification.
- [41:47]
Brian Schulmeister
Oh, yeah, they did go out of business. I remember that. They decided to shut down whatever that company was called.
- [41:53]
Jason DeFilippo
Yeah. Was it called Ello?
- [41:56]
Brian Schulmeister
No, they're still selling T shirts.
- [41:58]
Jason DeFilippo
No, actually, Ello's gone. It's like some kind of teaching app now or something like that. Some kind of nonprofit. I'm Blanking on that one too, because.
- [42:07]
Brian Schulmeister
Oh, it's a reading thing. A kid's reading program.
- [42:09]
Jason DeFilippo
That's it. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah. I've ran out of shits to give about unfortunately. But yeah, smashing. I've tried it. And the problem is I do get the same articles over and over again and they're all old. It's not breaking news. I need breaking news. And I've read everything. I've literally read everything that they've recommended already. So it's like, okay, well you're useless to me.
- [42:31]
Brian Schulmeister
I'm perfectly happy sticking with Apple News. I just launch it. I don't ever click on anything. I don't give anything a thumbs up or a thumbs down. So I just get default settings.
- [42:40]
Jason DeFilippo
I want to talk a little bit about SetApp today because I love SetApp. There's a link in the show, notes to go sign up. We get a little coin if you do sign up. But I do love it for its own purposes. Before we were even an affiliate with SetApp, I've been using it. I was listening to the Matt Geek Gab podcast this week who we also partner with for a little scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. But I legit listened to the show too. They talked about an app called Marked that you can get on Set App. Marked is a godsend for me because I use Markdown in some of the apps that I have, like Obsidian and trying to get Obsidian to export text the way that I want it does not work, period. It is a nightmare to get. I have a nice formatted piece of text in Obsidian. I want to export it into an email and it gives me all the Markdown shit and I don't want that. There are things that are supposed to fix that, like plugins for Obsidian that don't work very well. Marked, on the other hand, fixes that problem and lets you export it in a variety of formats. And you can get that on SetApp today if you want. But I just. For the Markdown people, I talked to some people in our Discord Chat about this. They had the same problems and it's a nightmare getting Markdown to do what you want it to do outside the app that you're in. Unless the app that you're going to is another Markdown compliant app.
- [43:59]
Brian Schulmeister
Right.
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Jason DeFilippo
And you know my love for Markdown, Brian. I just love it to death. But this week I was going down the. This all came top of mind because I was just listening to the Macabre podcast episode, the latest one when they were talking about Marked because I was wrangling with my Obsidian subscription for sync and I paid like $100 last year to enable sync for Obsidian across all my devices. And Obsidian is a note taking app where basically all of my knowledge gets dumped into all the notes that I've ever taken, all the blog posts, everything that I've ever done is in Obsidian. And for that, it's a wonderful thing. It beats the shit out of everything else. Beats Ulysses, beats Craft, beats Apple Notes, beats all of them. The problem is it cost $100 a year. I ain't got that right now. And I was doing the testing, I'm like, did Ulysses get any better? No. Did Kraft get any better? No. Did Apple Notes get any better? Eh, somewhat, but not good enough. The problem with Ulysses and Craft is everybody's moved into this block editing format. I don't know if you. You've run across this, Brian. We're used to text editors where you have a paragraph, you put your cursor in the paragraph and it puts the cursor. You click and the cursor goes right to the spot that you want it to go. Nowadays you click a paragraph and it selects the entire paragraph like it's an object. And you can drag the paragraph around and you have to double click to get your cursor to go. And sometimes it does it, sometimes it doesn't. It is a fucking. It's madness. It is absolutely maddening.
- [45:30]
Brian Schulmeister
So Google Classroom does that, which I've started at. My kid is now getting homework and it's done in Google Classroom and I want to throw my fucking laptop out the window every time I'm trying to help him because I'm trying to click in the middle of the thing and I'm putting the cursor right there like human beings do. And that's where it's supposed to go. It's not supposed to grab everything. It's supposed to go right where I put my cursor.
- [45:53]
Jason DeFilippo
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if this is just an old thing, but. But it's just the way it should work. And this new paradigm of no human.
- [46:04]
Brian Schulmeister
Would stack books like that. Jason.
- [46:10]
Jason DeFilippo
So, Brian, I recommend that you avoid Ulysses and Craft at all. Possible. Yes. But sign up today for SetApp and get marked if you have the same problem. Link is in the show notes and shout out to the Macabre podcast too.
- [46:25]
Brian Schulmeister
Oh, by the way, I also finally signed up for setup. I didn't do it forever, but I looked at the price of upgrading my clean My Mac and then versus setup and I went ahead and did setApp and by the new clean, my Mac is phenomenal.
- [46:37]
Jason DeFilippo
Isn't it great?
- [46:38]
Brian Schulmeister
It's a little too pretty.
- [46:39]
Jason DeFilippo
I like that part.
- [46:40]
Brian Schulmeister
But it does such a better job. It cleaned out so much more stuff off my computer. It was great.
- [46:45]
Jason DeFilippo
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- [50:54]
Brian Schulmeister
Well, I didn't beat the wire on my Amazon Kindle Unlimited free trial to finish the series. Echoes of Extinction series by De Ward Cornell. I didn't feel bad about it because I'm sure they get like pennies on the dollar if you're part of Kindles Unlimited. So I bought one of the four books. Books put money in his pocket. I think so. So you know, I think that worked out pretty well.
- [51:17]
Jason DeFilippo
Probably still pennies on the dollar.
- [51:18]
Brian Schulmeister
Probably still pennies on the dollar, but a few more pennies. So I read book four, the final book, Destiny from the Echoes of Extinction series. I'm glad I read the series. I'm glad I'm done with the series. It was a little. It wasn't the best writing. Some good ideas. The main character was just wildly implausible and almost kind of. Well, no, I'm not going to say that. Never mind Because I. I did enjoy the series. What I will say about it, though, is I think he got bored with the series because that is one of the fastest endings I've ever read in my life. I thought this book was kind of gear. It was. It was gliding into an end. And then I realized that I have like five pages left. I think he just went, I'm so tired of writing this. Done.
- [52:06]
Jason DeFilippo
He expands the ending.
- [52:08]
Brian Schulmeister
He totally did. It was just like. It went from, like. It could have easily gone another hundred pages and fleshed out some stories more and given a more satisfying conclusion. Instead, it was just like. Almost like a. Like waving a magic wand. All right. And everything's solved and we're done here. Okay.
- [52:22]
Jason DeFilippo
Okay.
- [52:25]
Brian Schulmeister
So I think that that pretty much killed any idea of this one getting bought up for a series or a movie because the ending is just wildly implausible and comes out of nowhere. Nowhere.
- [52:35]
Jason DeFilippo
Well, if the guts are good, maybe they rewrite that shit anyway.
- [52:40]
Brian Schulmeister
Or they just. Battlestar Galactica it.
- [52:43]
Jason DeFilippo
That's true. That's true. I picked up the new book, Nexus A Brief History of Information Networks from the Stone Age to AI by Yuval Noah Harari. Haven't started it yet because it's going to be a long one.
- [52:54]
Brian Schulmeister
I picked it up and I put it back down.
- [52:56]
Jason DeFilippo
No, but what I did pick up this week and put back down was Polo Stan, the new Neal Stephenson novel. I gave it a shot. I tried. I listened to like the first hour of it on Audible and no, absolutely not. Could not get into it. Could not get into the alternate history shit. I'm like, no, it's too confusing. It's too confusing for my old ass brain, I guess. And I just don't care that much. The characters were. Not that it didn't hook me. It did not hook me one bit. All right.
- [53:31]
Brian Schulmeister
I don't even think I'm going to try it then.
- [53:33]
Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, I mean, I have a certain threshold for giving a fuck about characters nowadays, and Neil just does not meet that criteria anymore. I'm sorry. I loved his old books. Diamond Age, still one of my favorite cyberpunk novels of all time. Snow Crash does not have legs, by the way. But this was just. Just, you know. Nah, not. Not for me.
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Brian Schulmeister
All right, fair. I was a bit worried that Christopher Moore was heading that way as well. Another one of our favorite authors. And because the last few books didn't really grab me as much. But he did announce a new book. And judging by the title and the COVID I think we're going to get A return to form there.
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Jason DeFilippo
Okay. Lamb two kind of lamb to the resurrection.
- [54:17]
Brian Schulmeister
I think it's more in that fool's universe that he did, which is pretty good.
- [54:20]
Jason DeFilippo
So that's a fun universe.
- [54:21]
Brian Schulmeister
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's spot the Dark side.
- [54:25]
Jason DeFilippo
Ha.
- [54:26]
Brian Schulmeister
With Dave.
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Jason DeFilippo
Welcome to the Dark side with Dave with dastardly, dynamic and delightfully devious Dave Pittner. Whether it's decoding all things cyber on the cyber wire, exposing deception in Tomfoolery with Joe Kerrigan on hacking humans, diving deep into privacy with Ben Yellen on Caveat or breaking down industrial cybersecurity on Control Loop. Dave's got you covered. Now don't miss his latest venture, Only malware in the building. This monthly show hosted by Selena Larson with Rick Howard and Dave himself unpacks the most impactful malware stories into bite size, actionable insights perfect for tech pros and security execs with a dash of charm and wit. Hello, Dave. Welcome back. We missed you.
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C
Hello. Hello. Thank you. I know, it's good to be back. That's quite an intro, I have to say. I need you to be my PR person. I love it.
- [55:18]
Jason DeFilippo
Give me a dollar. I'll do anything.
- [55:20]
C
I know. Exactly. Exactly. Your rates are reasonable?
- [55:24]
Jason DeFilippo
Yes, they are. So I want jump into some Halloween talk because we are recording this on November 1st and I think we probably all three of us had widely varying Halloween experiences. Okay, okay, I'll start off because mine is very simple and short and I think we'll lead the discussion here. So we don't answer the door on Halloween because of dogs. We have scary dog. Well, now we just have one scary dog, sadly. Miss you. Bam. Bam. So we have a Doberman who terrifies the children. So we put the bucket of candy out front. This year we bought a nice spooky bucket and we bought an 85 piece bag of candy. By the time it went in the bucket, it was about a 65 piece bag of candy because you do lose something to snackage along the way. And we always keep the little Hershey bars because we make s'mores. So anyway, 65 pieces go into the bucket, go on the fence last night, go out in the morning. I like to see what happens. Two years ago they stole the bucket last year. Last year the bucket was still there, but there was one Reese's cup left at the bottom of the bucket.
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Brian Schulmeister
We're like, who leaves behind a Reese's cup? That's like the gold standard.
- [56:35]
Jason DeFilippo
Tell me about it. I go out this morning out of the 65 pieces that were there? There were about 50 left. What? And most of which were Reese's cups.
- [56:47]
Brian Schulmeister
You got some weird ass neighbors.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, I'm telling you. And I live in a decent, normal, middle class neighborhood. Here's the problem, though. I also live next door to Calabasas, which is where all of the rich people are. So I see caravans that used to stop in our neighborhood full of kids, keep on driving, going to Calabasas where they have full size candy bars and probably sushi.
- [57:16]
C
Right?
- [57:17]
Brian Schulmeister
Right.
- [57:18]
C
A sushi chef.
- [57:21]
Brian Schulmeister
Please limit yourself to one roll each.
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Jason DeFilippo
They answer the door, go. Trick or treat. Do you have any food allergies? That's how it rolls over there.
- [57:29]
C
Yeah.
- [57:30]
Jason DeFilippo
So how'd it go for you guys?
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C
Well, I would say our Halloween is, I would describe, fairly typical. I live in a townhouse community, so. So that makes it very efficient for kids. So they like to come to our neighborhood because houses are very close together. I remember when I was a kid growing up, the first house I lived in was like one of those 1960s suburbs where you have little tiny houses on acre lots, so by the time you came home, you were bathed in sweat from running from door to door. Kids, they learned they don't do that anymore. They come to our neighborhood and on either side of our neighborhood are other townhouse communities. But ours is the nicest of the three. So they all come to us because I think we have the best candy. And my wife is a full size candy bar giver. But in our court where I live, all the neighbors have gotten together and we put up a little tent and we have a table and we put all our different bowls on this one table so the kids can come basically have one stop shopping and just go down the line and get all their candy and off they go. So we make it even more efficient for them to do their thing and move on to where they're going next. My favorite group last night was a group of high school aged kids who. There was four of them. Three of them were dressed as Ghostbusters and one was the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.
- [59:04]
Brian Schulmeister
My son was the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.
- [59:07]
C
Nice. So that was. They won the night for me.
- [59:12]
Brian Schulmeister
But very cool.
- [59:13]
C
Yeah, typical. I'd say we probably had 100 people, something like that.
- [59:22]
Jason DeFilippo
That's respectable.
- [59:23]
C
Yeah. Yeah.
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Brian Schulmeister
All right. Well, I guess it's my turn. We live on one of those streets. Caravans come here. The neighbors, my particular block on our street, get a permission from the city and a permit to shut the street down for traffic. For four hours starting at five till about nine o'clock, everybody on the street does go to, goes to Outrageous Lanes for decorating. We have a guy that runs up and down the street with a chainsaw, notably without the blade in it, but fully powered up gas. You smell it, you hear it, people scream. It is a big deal. We do not do full size candy bars because we would not be able to afford the mortgage if we did. We bought 12, 60 pieces of candy. Candy. They were gone within two hours. So we were dark for two hours. And we will have to increase our candy budget next year. I think I'm going to start an investment fund purely for candy.
- [60:27]
Jason DeFilippo
Get another job, brother.
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Brian Schulmeister
So yeah, we, we have a crazy, crazy time for Halloween. It is a lot of fun, a lot of kids and everybody has a really good time. I particularly want to give a shout out to one of my neighbors, Peter, who's about two houses over, who sets up an adult drink station for the parents walking up and down the street. I went over with my coffee mug and got some, some nice heavily heavy poured ciders a couple times throughout the night when I actually had a break from throwing candy into bags. So yeah, it was, it was nuts. It was pretty crazy.
- [61:03]
C
Now, when you bought the house, did you know that you were moving into a destination Halloween location?
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Brian Schulmeister
I feel like it should have been disclosed. It was not one of the first things our new neighbors said to us because we did move in. We actually moved in about three weeks before Halloween when we first moved in and one of the neighbors came over and said, you need to go buy candy now.
- [61:28]
C
Oh.
- [61:28]
Brian Schulmeister
And that's when we were informed that Halloween is a bit of a big deal on this street.
- [61:33]
C
Okay.
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Brian Schulmeister
So yeah, we were not, it was not disclosed. It would not have deterred us, however, because my son is. Been a big fan of Halloween since he was very little and loves it. Loves it more than Christmas. I also am a big fan of Halloween. My wife kind of sighs through it all.
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C
Yeah. There's a similar street in Baltimore, in Hamden, part of Baltimore here that they do Christmas that way where they shut down the street and every home is obligated to be extremely decorated and the whole street becomes a place, a destination. But I guess they give out candy canes.
- [62:13]
Brian Schulmeister
Yeah.
- [62:14]
C
Wow.
- [62:15]
Brian Schulmeister
Yeah. We don't have to do it for Christmas. It was determined that October and Halloween was enough. So. And I, you know, we don't have enough storage to put all that kind of stuff away. So we do a whole like Nightmare before Christmas theme. We have like a 12 foot inflatable oogie boogie that we put on our front balcony. And you know, we've got the jack and it's just all kinds of stuff. It's. It's crazy, but it's. Yeah.
- [62:35]
Jason DeFilippo
It's not the front of your house. It looks.
- [62:37]
Brian Schulmeister
You did a good job.
- [62:37]
Jason DeFilippo
It was impressive.
- [62:38]
Brian Schulmeister
Oh, thank you, thank you. We work pretty hard on it and spend an outrageous sum of money.
- [62:46]
C
That's fun.
- [62:46]
Brian Schulmeister
But it's all for the children.
- [62:48]
C
Of course. Of course. Of course. We have a single 12 foot tall ghost that we put on the back deck. We have. Our back deck is three levels, two screened in and then one like, you know, top one that's not screened in. So we put the ghost all the way up on the top there and he looks out over the lake that our house is next to and kind of lords over the lake.
- [63:12]
Brian Schulmeister
Right.
- [63:13]
C
And then he. In a couple weeks. Well, he'll come down this weekend. Then in a couple weeks a 12 foot tall turkey will go up nice and place him on the corner.
- [63:24]
Brian Schulmeister
And then the 12 foot tall Santa.
- [63:27]
C
No, 12 foot tall Bumble from.
- [63:29]
Brian Schulmeister
Oh, nice.
- [63:29]
Jason DeFilippo
We're off.
- [63:29]
C
The red nosed reindeer. Yeah. Yes. And instead of putting. And Bumble actually has a star in his hand and instead of putting the star on a Christmas tree, he's putting the star on the menorah that sits next to him. So that's my wife's thing. And yeah. So yeah, it's great. And it's nice to have a little place where basically nothing else is. And people seem to like it as they come around the lake. You know, it's a park and so people enjoy it and they tell us they do. But it's nice to. It's a nice excuse also to keep it kind of constrained to just have these single ridiculously large inflatable thing on the corner of a deck that's 30ft above the ground. Means I don't have to decorate the whole house.
- [64:18]
Brian Schulmeister
Otherwise you start to slip into Griswold territory.
- [64:21]
C
Right, Exactly.
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Jason DeFilippo
You should see our. We're fans of the inflatables. So we have a ten foot Grim Reaper archway that sits in our gateway in the front for the past month. So when you come in, you have to go through the big Grim Reaper, which is kind of fun. Then we've got like, you know, we've got lots of inflatables around the yard and I bring out the big LED floodlights. So the house is purple at night and we got, we do it up pretty, pretty decently yeah, for we don't do anything for Thanksgiving because that takes away from the eating time. But for Christmas we definitely go all out. We've got white Santas, black Santas, white angels, black angels. We've got a 10 foot tall Drake cradle that goes in the middle of the yard. We hit everybody. If we could find more diversity for blow ups, we would have a Rudolph rottweiler that goes in the front yard as well. So yeah, we do it up with the inflatables. I think those are the greatest things ever.
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C
By the way, when I bought my bumble last year, I was shopping around for inflatable bumbles. You're like, oh, look, there's a foot bumble that's not big enough. Oh, there's a 12 foot bumble. All right, that'll do just fine. You can buy a 40 foot bumble.
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Jason DeFilippo
Nice.
- [65:38]
C
Yeah, yeah, it's like $2,000 I think, but you can buy a 40 foot bumble. And believe me, you've considered the thought crossed my mind.
- [65:48]
Brian Schulmeister
Why not?
- [65:49]
C
Well, particularly because I live in a condo association and so just any time that I can just turn the screws a little bit and well, and just look, it's just a holiday decoration. The rules say I can have a holiday decor decoration.
- [66:03]
Jason DeFilippo
So you can't have a security camera. That's out of code. But damn, you can have a 40 foot bumble.
- [66:07]
C
That's right. That's right. So just FYI, yeah, if you're interested, they do exist. And I think that's a happy thing in this world that you can buy a 40 foot bumble.
- [66:19]
Jason DeFilippo
Our Walmart up the street has had Christmas decorations up for the past two weeks now. And we're looking for to kind of get the jump to see if there's any good inflatables in there. And they had one really cool display and we're like, ooh, ooh, how much is that one? Cause we wanted another archway to go where the Grim reaper goes. We want a good one for Christmas and we had to go through like seven people. Cause we couldn't find a price or anything. We finally got a manager and they're like, oh, that's not for sale. We bought that on Amazon.
- [66:49]
C
Wow.
- [66:51]
Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, I think a regional manager came through because it is now gone. We don't put stuff up that we can't sell people.
- [66:58]
C
Right. Make me an offer.
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Brian Schulmeister
Makes sense.
- [67:00]
C
That's funny. Well, I put in the link here. I want to say not long before we recorded today, Disney dropped the official trailer for Skeleton Crew. The Upcoming Star wars series with the kids. Have you guys watched this trailer?
- [67:17]
Brian Schulmeister
I watched. Yes, I did watch it.
- [67:24]
Jason DeFilippo
Enough said.
- [67:26]
Brian Schulmeister
No. Think I might be into the show. I'm just so taken aback by the fact that Star wars is rocking Major Tom for a trailer.
- [67:35]
C
Yeah, I liked that. Like, that pushed my buttons very effectively. And the fact that they made their own version of Major Tom where they changed, they're doing it in some Star wars universe language I thought was especially nice. But. But I mean, this is Star wars version of the Goonies.
- [67:59]
Brian Schulmeister
Yes.
- [68:00]
C
And let me tell you, I am here for this. Like, I was just smiling, grinning from ear to ear while I watched this. From the moment the first note dropped on Major Tom, I was like, okay, you've got me and I am ready to go.
- [68:14]
Brian Schulmeister
What I particularly like about the show is this feels like this is the first real Disney Star wars show I'll be able to watch with my son. I think he'll dig this one.
- [68:25]
C
Oh, okay.
- [68:26]
Jason DeFilippo
Yeah. You know, I wasn't going to really care about it, but you had me at Star wars version of the Goonies, so I think I might have to check it out now.
- [68:34]
Brian Schulmeister
It looks good. It does. I'm very intrigued. It is not at all the show that I thought it was going to be, I'll put it that way.
- [68:43]
C
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, a couple more weeks, we'll know.
- [68:48]
Jason DeFilippo
Okay. I threw in a random one here because I wanted to get you guys take on this because I thought it was funny. I had a episode of Schmachters that we did where we talked about is a hot dog a sandwich, which is the age old question. And I got voted down on that one. But I saw this. It's called the cube rule of food identification. And I think it's.
- [69:11]
Brian Schulmeister
Let me tell you, Jason, this took me on a journey.
- [69:14]
Jason DeFilippo
Yes, it does, doesn't it?
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Brian Schulmeister
I had many emotions while scrolling through this. I started with the. Yeah, okay. Then I got, oh my God, this is kind of genius. Then I got infuriated. Then it brought me back down to hold on a second, this may make some sense. And then I ended up very, very angry.
- [69:37]
Jason DeFilippo
Yeah, it's worth going through the. The TLDR for me was that a hot dog is a taco. And I don't. I can live with that. I can live with that. I think that splits the difference of is it a sandwich or not? It's a taco.
- [69:52]
Brian Schulmeister
Well, look, when you get down to a key lime pie being a quiche and a corn dog being a calzone.
- [69:58]
Jason DeFilippo
Right?
- [69:58]
C
And A steak being a salad.
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Brian Schulmeister
Well, that I'm on board with. I can sell that to my wife.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah. Really.
- [70:06]
C
So if it's in your self interest, it's fine.
- [70:08]
Brian Schulmeister
Yes.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah.
- [70:10]
Brian Schulmeister
And I do like the. And humans are just ravines.
- [70:17]
Jason DeFilippo
Well worth the scroll. I think it is.
- [70:20]
C
It's well done. It's fun. Similar to what Brian described. It was a journey for me as well. I think I started out more on board with it, but as we went through.
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Jason DeFilippo
Yeah.
- [70:31]
C
It became more and more absurd. But I think mostly what triggered my anger was this feeling of existential crisis. Because there's nothing in here that's wrong. If you accept the framework by which they have decided to categorize and describe things, it's completely logical. It makes.
- [70:54]
Brian Schulmeister
If you buy into each increasing premise, then. Yes.
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C
Right. Right. So. But I think that's part of what made me uncomfortable was having to take a hard look at myself and how do I think about things.
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Jason DeFilippo
And reassess all of your life's assumptions.
- [71:12]
C
Exactly. It makes you question everything. It really does. So. Yes. Worth a look. A lot of fun. Do check it out.
- [71:21]
Brian Schulmeister
Yeah. Very good. Very good indeed. Definitely fun. Final story that I have for us ticks many of the boxes that we talk about often in here and some that are kind of somewhat personal to me. I don't know if I've ever mentioned, but my son had developed a peanut allergy at some point. He seems to be growing out of it. Plus we've done some therapy on it. So he can actually eat like two Eminem peanuts a day now, and we see no ill effects. In another year, we're going to get him tested. He may be out of it completely, but for a few years there of our life, it was rather stressful because you basically just have to look online for things and you worry about, like, people bake sales and even going to places like, say, Disneyland, which is admittedly pretty good about things because they always have these printed sheets. If any of your kids ever have a food allergy, or if you do, you can go to Disneyland. You can go to any vendor that sells food. They will have a sheet that lists every single ingredient known allergen that be in any single one thing. So that makes it a lot easier, which is nice. The other. And obviously we're talking about Disneyland. We talk about Disneyland all the time. Now, there's a security aspect to this story. So a fired Disney employee allegedly altered menus to change allergy markers. So this is. This could really screw things up. Unfortunately, this guy, Michael Schuer was fired by Disney and they did not change passwords, hence the security issue. He used still viable passwords to access a third party created proprietary menu creation and inventory system. And over the course of his misdoings, he allegedly changed the allergy information along with adding profanity, altering prices and changing the font to wingdings. Wingdings is what initially tipped off employees.
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C
Gee, see he went one step too far. He would have gotten away with it.
- [73:03]
Brian Schulmeister
Churro that he put in there. But you know, so yeah, this guy got busted. He broke into multiple copies of a third party company's FTP to change allergy markers and altered QR codes, et cetera, et cetera, directed a menu to a Boycott Israel website and he also apparently tried to break into Disney employees accounts nearly 8,000 times. So I think this guy was pretty pissed off at the mouse.
- [73:27]
C
I was gonna say he held a grudge.
- [73:29]
Brian Schulmeister
Yes.
- [73:30]
C
Yeah.
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Jason DeFilippo
That's crazy though, Brian. You've worked for Disney, so have I. I have. Disney security is like, I mean it's insane. It is absolutely insane how usually good they are security. I mean, I know anything and at.
- [73:44]
Brian Schulmeister
Every level, not just the park. Like, I have a friend that worked for Hollywood Records which is owned by Disney. So I've been onto the Burbank campus and I've been to the, you know, the Disney record label, which is, you'd think it's music. It's loosey goosey. Hell no.
- [73:58]
Jason DeFilippo
No. I did an email news template or an email newsletter template for Dancing with the Stars one time and I had to fill out 20 forms and get fingerprinted before I could even get into like a Dropbox account to be able to upload my template, it was, it's ridiculous.
- [74:14]
Brian Schulmeister
Yeah, Disney is pretty tight on security. So the fact that they didn't swap, they didn't change passwords immediately or revoke this guy's account upon getting fired is almost unbelievable to me, but apparently.
- [74:25]
C
So I'm just thinking about your son Brian and like Dread Pirate Roberts with iocane powder slowly working to build up a resistance to peanuts over time.
- [74:41]
Brian Schulmeister
Kind of. That's kind of what it was like. We started with basically they make a peanut solution and you know, you start with like 5 milligrams, then you go up to 10 milligrams and we got all the way to actual physical peanuts where we would, you know, weigh out 10 grams and 20 grams and yeah, it's been a like a two year process but he seems to have come out of it now, so although, you know, just to be safe, all the Reese's peanut butter cups he brought home from trick or treating last night are fucking mine.
- [75:07]
C
Well, you can't be too careful with these things. Yeah, you can't be careful. It's just science, right?
- [75:13]
Brian Schulmeister
Yeah, exactly.
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Jason DeFilippo
Closing shout out over at Patreon. Big thank you to Stavros for increasing your donation. And Kiwi Graham, welcome aboard. And Kiwi says cool. Discovered the podcast via your cross promo with Matt Geek Gab. How about that?
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Brian Schulmeister
Nice.
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Jason DeFilippo
Also welcome to number six, David James and Dag.
- [75:35]
Brian Schulmeister
All right, thank you all so much over at PayPal. Thank you to Charlie Simon, Jonathan Judge, Nicola Antonio Thomas. Thank you all so much over at.
- [75:42]
Jason DeFilippo
The Tip Jar we've got Adam. Thank you, Adam. And just a reminder to everybody, if you sign up for Patreon, for a minimum of $3 a month, you can get the show early and ad free and in high definition. And if you so desire, you can pay for the year up front and get 5% off. Woohoo.
- [75:59]
Brian Schulmeister
Woohoo. We have some new reviews. We got a five star review. Pleasant find. Note, Ublock Origin is not ad blocker. It is a free extension that blocks trackers, popups and can even be used to remove Google's stupid AI. Overview is being shoved down our throats and it is and has always been free. I think we got a little confused between the feedback and the review, but we'll take a five star review. Doesn't matter.
- [76:20]
Jason DeFilippo
Say you want to give us. You want to yell at us for five stars, go for it.
- [76:23]
Brian Schulmeister
Yes.
- [76:24]
Jason DeFilippo
But thanks. Thanks for the clarification. And we got a five star from Tech with Snark. I first started listening to gog in my 20s. I just turned 40 now. No regrets. Five stars.
- [76:35]
Brian Schulmeister
Oh my God. God.
- [76:40]
Jason DeFilippo
So old.
- [76:41]
Brian Schulmeister
So old.
- [76:42]
Jason DeFilippo
So old. So old.
- [76:44]
Brian Schulmeister
I want to give a shout out to the Los Angeles Dodgers, my baseball team, which won the World Series on Wednesday night. And thank God, because those have been late nights for me. I don't know if I could have done two more games.
- [76:53]
Jason DeFilippo
So I'm glad it's over. And we only lost one city bus.
- [76:57]
Brian Schulmeister
Not bad actually, all things considered.
- [76:59]
Jason DeFilippo
It was quite the conflagration too. If you saw that thing burning, it was like, woo. Some. Somebody put some accelerant on that puppy.
- [77:06]
Brian Schulmeister
Maybe it was electric.
- [77:08]
Jason DeFilippo
It could have been. Could have been. Yeah. Could have been the batteries. Could have been the batteries. Somebody stole your battery. I say we go get the deepest condolences to friend of the show Brian Blondell, who lost his beloved dog Charlie after 17 years this week. Sorry brother. Love you. Hang tough.
- [77:22]
Brian Schulmeister
Yep, sorry to hear it.
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Jason DeFilippo
And Jerry Taylor, co creator of Star Trek Voyager, has died at age 86. Wow. Good run.
- [77:30]
Brian Schulmeister
Good run. We also lost Terry Gar, star of Young Frankenstein, Tootsie and a million other things at seven. She was awesome.
- [77:38]
Jason DeFilippo
So she was awesome.
- [77:40]
Brian Schulmeister
Yep. Until next time, I'm Brian Shulmeister.
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Jason DeFilippo
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Brian Schulmeister
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