718: Net Unhelpful

Summary

Grumpy Old Geeks – Episode 718: Net Unhelpful

Release Date: October 18, 2025
Hosts: Jason DeFillippo, Brian Schulmeister (out this week), guest co-host Donovan Atkisson
Theme: An unfiltered, sharp-tongued breakdown of this week’s tech disasters and digital blunders. “If tech had a walk of shame, this is it.”

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Episode Overview

Jason and guest host Donovan take the wheel in Brian’s absence (he’s at Disneyland Paris), diving into the week’s most chaotic tech news and digital controversies. They take no prisoners in dissecting legislative overreaches, AI regulation, crypto noir, the programmable sky, and the latest in vibe coding delusions. Expect sarcasm, strong opinions, and no shortage of “WTF” moments.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. California’s Crackdown on AI Companions

[02:31]

• California’s new SB243 law targets AI chatbots, effective Jan 1, 2026.
• Key requirements:
  • Age verification for users
  • Warnings that users are chatting with bots
  • Prohibited from impersonating healthcare professionals
  • Mandatory “take a break” nudges for minors
  • Block sexually explicit content for minors
  • Suicide/self-harm response features
  • Up to $250K penalty per deepfake offense
• Jason: “It’s time for these AI companions to get at least some kind of penalties—you know, because they’re… oh, I don’t know, killing children. So, you know, we’ll see.” [04:15]

Memorable Quote:
Donovan: “What the fuck is AI going to do for toasting my bread or my baguette or whatever? ...God damn this. Enough’s enough. This is scary, man.” [05:33]

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2. AI Hype and Anxiety: It’s Not All Toast and Warm Feelings

[05:05]

• Global Pew poll: Majority in 25 countries are more worried than excited about AI.
• Discussion of AI’s relentless creep into daily life (from fridges to toasters).

Notable Moment:
Jason: “Five years ago, your toast would have been on the blockchain.” [06:25]
Donovan: “NFT stands for Not Toast.” [06:47]

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3. Drone Swarms and 1984 in Georgia

[08:16]

• Georgia Tech launches drone first responder program; drones now actively surveil campus for rapid response.
• Involvement of Flock Safety, known for massive surveillance networks.
• Donovan draws parallels to dystopian fiction: “I’m thinking 1984 here.”

Memorable Moment:
Jason: “College pranks are great, you know. Okay, let’s start—let’s create some net guns… start taking down drones.” [12:01]
Donovan: “Panties, sir. Panties. They were brought down by dirty, rotten panties.” [12:28]

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4. Crypto Noir: The Ukrainian Tragedy

[12:53]

• $380B crypto crash destroys fortunes—Ukrainian crypto fund manager Konstantin Ganich found dead in his Lamborghini.
• Discussion of his questionable 7% monthly fixed return promise.
• Behind-the-scenes intrigue: Possible law enforcement pressure, a gun gifted by a Ukrainian spymaster.

Jason’s Take:
“If you’re going to invest your money with somebody that is going to tell you that you’re going to get a fixed 7% monthly return, you deserve to lose your money.” [13:49]
Donovan: “Maybe you should have used some of that crypto to help buy more weapons and get Ukraine out of the mess that they’re in.” [14:15]

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5. Space Junk and Orbital Anarchy

[18:37]

• Starlink satellites burning up raise concern over unregulated reentries.
• 20,000 tracked objects in orbit; Starlink alone operates ~8,000 satellites.
• More companies (Amazon, Espace, China) planning to add tens or even hundreds of thousands more.
• Collisions risk triggering “Kessler Syndrome”—runaway chain reactions leading to orbital lockout.
• Astronomers are already complaining: “We can’t see shit up here anymore.”

Notable Quotes:
McDowell (quoted): “It’s getting pretty busy up there.” [19:55]
Jason: “It’s not just light leaks from the reflections. It’s actual signal leaks… signal jammer satellite, which I’m sure we probably have a bunch of those up there already.” [23:27]

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6. 4chan Fights UK Regulation—From the Grave

[25:48]

• 4chan fined by UK’s Ofcom under Online Safety Act; 4chan fires back with a US lawsuit alleging free speech violations.
• Jason: “Well, that’s what 4chan was always about—harmful content for minors. That’s where its bread and butter was.” [26:34]
• Reflection on 4chan’s meme-factory past and abysmal present.

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7. Elon Musk’s Boring Company: Environmental “Bulk Discounts”

[28:44]

• Nearly 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas tunnel projects; fines reduced from possible $3M+ to $242K.
• Jason: “You get a bulk discount in Vegas if you just keep violating the law.” [29:13]
• General agreement that Elon acts untouchable; “What does Vegas have to show for it but a bunch of holes in the ground?” [30:12]

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8. AI-Enhanced Real Estate Photos: Cool or Scam?

[32:18]

• MLS rules require disclosure of AI edits—but virtual staging often misleads.
• Donovan: AI was used to beautify a South Georgia property—net result: Disappointed buyers, house still unsold.
• Jason (on AI staging): “If you actually physically change it, there’s a problem… that’s bait and switch.” [36:03]
• Bottom line: Virtual staging OK, AI fakery not so much.

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9. The Death of “Vibe Coding”—Andrej Karpathy’s Confession

[38:59]

• Andrej Karpathy (OpenAI co-founder, “vibe coding” evangelist) admits he hand-coded his project; AI tools were “Net Unhelpful.”
  • “Vibe coding” = Letting AI code while you chill; reality = more bugs, more human work.
• Jason: “It gets you so close and then pulls the rug out from under you. It’s like a really bad NFT scam.” [40:35]
• 95% of devs spend more time fixing AI code; AI devs are actually slower.

Memorable Conversation:
Donovan: “I’m constantly fixing what it’s trying to do. I’m faster just doing it by hand.” [41:25]
Jason: “It’s whack a mole.” [41:39]

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10. Tool Talk & AI Subscriptions

[43:55]

• AI tools becoming expensive as capabilities plateau; hosts swap anecdotes of using ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, PO, Whisper CPP.
• Context: AI’s great for small utilities, not complex projects.
• “I don’t want to spend money on code. I want to write code to generate money, you know?” [43:25]

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11. Waymo Prank: The First Robo-Taxi DDoS

[49:05]

• 23-year-old Riley Waltz calls 50 Waymo taxis to a dead-end street, blocks an area for a day.
• Outcome: No legal action; Waymo eats the cost, shrugs it off.
• Discussed alongside the quirks of self-driving cars in cities—amused disbelief all around.

Sample Reaction:
Jason: “The first couple hundred times you see a car driving around with nobody in the driver’s seat… it really is.” [50:32]

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Media Candy ([52:34])

TV/Movies:

• Gen V: Penultimate episode—hosts agree, must-see before The Boys, Season 5. [52:37]
• Idiocracy & Galaxy Quest Documentary: Jason’s father sees both for the first time; “Galaxy Quest is a perfect film.” [57:55]
• Minecraft Movie: Donovan confesses enjoyment (“goofy, dumbass fun”), sequel coming 2027. [59:29]
• Other Recommendations:
  • Celebrity Traitors (UK)
  • Fortune Hotel
  • Anonymous: Real Stories of Alcoholism, Addiction and Recovery (plug for Jason’s project)

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Apps and Doodads ([60:57])

• THINGS 3: Jason returns for aesthetically pleasing task management. “Life is too short to use ugly software.” [61:45]
• WiFi 8 Trials: Tech quickly outpacing consumer adoption; WiFi 7 just launched, but TP Link/Qualcomm are already prepping 8. “It hits all the buzzwords, man.” [63:17]
• Networking Talk: Jason and Donovan nerd out on access points, signal strength, and the outrageous speeds no one needs.
• Windows 10 End-of-Life ([67:40]):
  • Jason: “Everyone’s going to keep running their Windows 10 machine without support and it’s just going to become a botnet dystopia.”
  • Donovan is furious: Forced obsolescence creates e-waste or security disasters, Windows 10 is solid, new machines arbitrarily required.

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Listener Support Shoutouts

• New Patreon supporters: Daryl, Fat Fat, and Donovan (yes, co-host Donovan, pledging after appearing).
• PayPal tip jar: Miles, Sherry, Arcadio, Nathaniel, Brett, Linda, Andrew.
• Special thanks: Thomas P. for $250.

Obits: Diane Keaton (age 79), Ace Frehley (KISS, age 74).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

“NFT stands for Not Toast.”
— Donovan, on the pointless creep of AI and blockchain everywhere [06:47]

“It gets you so close and then pulls the rug out from under you. It’s like a really bad NFT scam.”
— Jason, on AI coding tools [40:35]

“Panties, sir. Panties. They were brought down by dirty, rotten panties.”
— Donovan, on college students vs campus drones [12:28]

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Tone and Style

The show retains its cranky, irreverent, and sarcastic trademark voice throughout. Jason and Donovan both punctuate the news with personal anecdotes, pop-culture references, and exasperated humor, balancing deep knowledge with pointed skepticism.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• California AI Law, AI Hype Backlash: [02:31]–[08:09]
• Georgia Tech Drones, Flock Safety: [08:16]–[12:44]
• Crypto Noir Story: [12:53]–[15:17]
• Starlink, Space Debris, Kessler Syndrome: [18:37]–[25:30]
• 4chan & Online Safety Law Lawsuit: [25:48]–[28:44]
• Elon’s Boring Company Infractions: [28:44]–[32:10]
• AI Real Estate Fakery: [32:18]–[38:19]
• End of Vibe Coding (Net Unhelpful): [38:51]–[43:55]
• Waymo Robo-taxi DDoS: [49:05]–[52:34]
• Media Recommendations: [52:34]–[60:57]
• WiFi 8, Networking Dork-out: [60:57]–[67:18]
• Windows 10 EOL, MSP Headaches: [67:40]–[76:06]
• Listener Support Shoutouts & Outros: [76:06]–[80:11]

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In summary:
Episode 718 delivers another hard-hitting, hilariously aggravated tour through tech’s latest dumpster fires—ranging from legislative overkill and AI letdowns to misadventures in crypto, satellites, and robo-taxis. If you relish informed, cynical tech banter with lots of quotable rants, this installment is a must-listen (or, at the very least, a must-read summary).

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Grumpy old geeks A weekly talk show hosted by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFilippo discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the Internet and who's to blame. Welcome to Grumpy Old Geeks. I'm Jason De Filippo.

[C]

And I'm Brian. Wait, no, no, that's not right. I'm Donovan. Ad kissing.

[B]

Hey, Donovan, thank you so much for coming today.

[C]

Oh man, it's a pleasure and an honor to be here.

[B]

Oh, you're not going to say that by the time we're done? Don't worry. No. I texted with Brian. He is right now, as we speak, in Disneyland Paris. So hopefully he's enjoying his baguette and Mickey Mouse.

[C]

You know, I have never been to Disneyland. I have been to Disney World because that's down in Florida and I have been there one time in my life and I think I was 10. So that was 1980 and I haven't been back since.

[B]

Oh, well, you got it out of your system early, I guess.

[C]

So I went with family and I was like, okay, this is great. Okay, move on. You know, 10 year old. I don't know, I guess I was never enamored by any of the stuff that, you know. Disney World, Disneyland, Six Flags Over Georgia, none of that stuff.

[B]

Well, I have been to Disney World multiple times. I've been to Disneyland and Disneyland is a pale comparison to Disney World. So you at least got the good one out of the way.

[C]

Yeah, that's true. That's about the only damn good thing in Florida probably. I can say that I'm sitting on top of them. They can fuck off.

[B]

You're like the Canada of Florida.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And Donovan's in Georgia, by the way. I don't know if we've mentioned that.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. I'm roughly 90 minutes to two hours from the Georgia Florida border, so pray for me.

[B]

Oh, it's like Mad Max zone.

[C]

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

[B]

Well, we've got some news coming out of California this week. Governor Gavin Newsom just signed SB243 the first state law aimed at AI companion chatbots. Starting in January 1, 2026. Operators from the big labs to niche apps like Character, AI and replica have to add real safety protocols or face penalties. Sure, the AI Internet police is going to come get you. So what they're asking for is age verification. Clear warnings that you're chatting with a bot. No pretending to be a healthcare professional and forced to take a break. Nudges for minors and platforms must block sexually explicit images for kids, build suicide and self harm response systems and report stats and protocols to the state's department of public health. So, and if you're a deep faker, there's going to be fines there too. Up to $250,000 per offense. That's a lot. Seems, seems, seems a little high, but depends on the deep fake, I guess. They don't, they don't really tell you if it's against a civilian or a celebrity or just what it is.

[C]

I mean, does it matter really?

[B]

I guess it doesn't.

[C]

You know, it's still, I mean maybe they're so high because they're like, well if it's only $10,000, so what?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it will be interesting to see if they ever collect any of those fines on either one, on the, on the chat bot makers or any of the deep fake people. I mean the deep fake people, that's just, that's a lever that they, they put in so the district attorneys can actually like use that to squeeze people, I'm guessing. But you know, we'll see, we'll see. But I mean, it's time for these AI companions to get at least some kind of penalties, you know, because they're, oh, I don't know, killing children. So you know, we'll see, we'll see.

[C]

Yeah, that's not a, that's not a good thing. That's not a good thing.

[B]

Nope, nope. So of course on the heels of that, our good old friend Sam Altman just announced that Chat GPT will open its pants in December for verified adults. Yeah, so now that they're going to be forced to do age gating, they're like, well shit, we know they're over 18. Release the boobs, let's go.

[C]

Well, you know the two things that always drive innovation? Porn and war. So we're going to get the porn part in Chat GPT, so the next thing is going to be some form of war.

[B]

Well, I think Palantir probably has the war side covered with AI.

[C]

Oh, that's true.

[B]

You know that and Palmer Luckey and his weapons company, they're doing, you know, AI powered weapons.

[C]

So, yeah, what could go wrong?

[B]

Yeah, what could absolutely go wrong? Oh, yeah. And just, just so you think that grumpy old geeks are not the only people dunking on AI. There's a new Pew Research poll that shows Global anxiety about AI is spreading across 25 countries. Majority say they're more worried than excited about artificial intelligence taking over daily life. Not a single nation surveyed had more than 30% of adults feeling upbeat about it. So what do you think?

[C]

You know, I like what AI can do for us now as far as what I use services like chat GPT, you know, and I pay for it. But that's to, that's the extent of it. I don't want AI in everything, you know, and every time I turn around it's like, well, we now have artificial intelligence in your refrigerator. We have artificial intelligence in your toaster. What the fuck is AI going to do for, for toasting my bread or my baguette or whatever? I don't, I don't understand this. And don't get me wrong, I love technology. I have, I have lived and breathed technology from the first. I think I probably came out of my mama with a, with a piece of technology in my hand, but God damn this. Enough's enough. This is scary, man.

[B]

Well, the thing is, I mean, this is just the new, this is the new technology du jour. Five years ago, your toast would have been on the blockchain.

[C]

That's true.

[B]

You know, so, and before that, it would have had a social media account.

[C]

I mean, I would have been okay if it had been on the blockchain. As long as it would have been worth, I don't know, $100,000 per slice, I'd be fine with that.

[B]

Well, you know, NFT stands for not toast, so.

[C]

Okay, I like that. That works. Yeah. It's not surprising to me that when you do a survey like this and you know, and, and when you look at the, the 25 countries, were these more like not, not third world countries, but, but actual at parity level with the United States countries, I would, I would presume.

[B]

Well, I mean, India and Kenya were in there. India is, you know, pretty much a first world country, but Kenya, not so much. So they did spread it around a bit.

[C]

That's true.

[B]

So yeah, the wealthier countries like Japan, Germany and France, they, they were a little higher in the, in the rankings. But yeah, yeah, other, other countries are just like, what's AI? I don't know.

[C]

Oh, God, always India. Is that what it was at one point, the joke? Because AI was actually a bunch of folks in India doing everything.

[B]

I never heard that, but that rings true.

[C]

Was that culturally insensitive?

[B]

I'm sorry, I don't know. You know how much fun we've made of Indian programmers on this show before?

[C]

That's true.

[B]

They seem to have gotten better, though. I guess they're using ChatGPT or Claude. Was it Claude code? Now everybody's using Claude code. Yeah, we'll get to more of that soon.

[C]

They're vibe coding.

[B]

In the news.

[C]

Okay, so this is in my neck of the woods. And Georgia Tech's drone first responder program cuts emergency response time to 90 seconds or less. I had no idea that this was even a problem. So Georgia Tech, which is one of our big universities, you've got Georgia Tech in the University of Georgia. And don't get the two confused because, you know, you might. You might get your ass beat.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But they have a program now where they are attempting to cut emergency response time to 90 seconds or less while they're trying to enhance campus security. So Chief of Police Robert Connolly says the goal is to have patrol drones constantly airborne. Constantly airborne. Flying around the campus of Georgia Tech just. Just waiting and ready to respond to major incidents. Instantly. Just instantly. So over 20 Georgia law enforcement departments already use drones for pursuits and theft prevention, which is something I was not aware of. But the thing that really bothers me about this is. And you probably have. You should have brought. Remembered this company, Flock Safety, is part of this thing. Now, if memory serves me correctly, Flock is the. Is the company that law enforcement went to them because they, they do a lot of surveillance and stuff like that. Law enforcement went to them to look for a particular woman in Texas. She. She had been. You remember that one?

[B]

Yeah, I do.

[C]

And they claim that what they were doing is they were trying to. To find her, to make sure that she. When in actuality the woman had had an abortion and they were trying to track her down so that they could probably prosecute her.

[B]

Yeah. Flock Safety runs one of the largest networks of automated license plate readers.

[C]

Yes, yes. Yeah, exactly. So they're part of this. And they claim their drone system covers a four mile radius which is larger than Georgia Tech's campus. So they're like, yes, you know, rapid deployment. Their chief strategy, officer, Bailey Quintrell. Really? Quintrell. Okay. Emphasizes that it's. It's faster, coordinated responses and improve safety for the students. The drones are going to provide real time visuals. I'm I'm thinking 1984 here. Enabling officers to assess situations before arriving on scene. They claim they got privacy safeguards. They're keeping the cameras pointed at the horizon until they arrive at the incident. Yeah, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. I'm sure you are.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And. And of course, this is being used as a model for other universities to follow across our great state of Georgia.

[B]

Okay, how. How bad is the crime at Georgia Tech that you need a drone swarm flying 247 to respond to events? I mean, should we just have Trump sent in the National Guard? Is it that bad?

[C]

That's what I'm wondering. I mean, this was the first I. You know, I stay up on the news here in Georgia because I do a little newsletter for my city and all this other kind of stuff. And. And so I try to make sure that I am aware of things that are. Even though I'm down here in the asshole of Georgia, I still try to make sure that I understand what's going on in the entire state, but I have never once heard of there being rampant. Apparently, Georgia Tech is a fucking war zone.

[B]

Must be.

[C]

So you're right. I'm waiting on the National Guard to be federalized and Brian Kemp to bend over and say, yes, sir. How. How far should I shove these national Guards up my butt? Yeah, trust me. You. Okay, I'll back off.

[B]

Well, I'll be interested to see how this plays out if the students rebel over it, because that is just itching for. I mean, it's college. College pranks are great, you know. Okay, let's start. Let's create some net guns to, you know, let's modify some T shirt guns from the frat houses to start taking down drones.

[C]

I would love it.

[B]

Yeah, they just fill them with panties from the panty raid and just fire them at the drones. And the drones get brought down by stolen panties. There you go.

[C]

Could you see the report on that one? What happened. What happened to this drone? Panties, sir. Panties. They were brought down by dirty, rotten panties.

[B]

A flock of G strings took them down.

[C]

Oh, God.

[B]

Oh, man.

[C]

That sounds like a band.

[B]

Keep it. I'll keep an eye. Keep an eye on that one. So, I don't know. Are you a crypto guy? Do you have much of your. Your life savings in crypto?

[C]

What life savings?

[B]

Got your job.

[C]

I work in it.

[B]

True, true. Well, if you had any life savings in crypto, you had a really shitty. After a $380 billion wipeout that saw Bitcoin drop 15% and Ethereum nosedive 21%. Ukrainian Crypto Fund manager Konstantin Ganich, known online as Kostyakudo, was found dead in his Lamborghini with a gunshot wound. Police are calling it a suicide, but the details reek of crypto noir. Ganic allegedly lost between 7 million and 60 million dollars in the crash. Most of it was unfortunately investors money. And he had been promising them a fixed 7% monthly return, which is just. What the fuck? No, look, if you're going to invest your money with somebody that is going to tell you that you're going to get a fixed 7% monthly return, you deserve to lose your money.

[C]

Agreed.

[B]

Now here's the fun part. This was in the Ukraine. Ukrainian outlets report he was pressured by law enforcement the night before his death to share profits. And here's where it gets cinematic. The gun used was reportedly a gift from Carillo Budanov, Ukraine's top military spy master. Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure that was a message, not a suicide.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Maybe you should have used some of that crypto to help buy more weapons and get Ukraine out of the mess that they're in.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And I did say the Ukraine before. It's Ukraine. That was my bad. It's early. I haven't had enough coffee. I know better. I know better.

[C]

Hey, trust me, I did not know until, honestly, until Ukraine got into the news over the last 10 years or so that it. That it wasn't the Ukraine, because so many people, news people would always say the Ukraine.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And now whenever I hear it, you know, my brain just kind of slows down and goes, what?

[B]

Take a pause.

[C]

But it's all right.

[B]

But. And the funny thing is, before the war, I knew tons of Ukrainian developers because we hired them all the time at some of my companies because Ukrainian developers are some of the best in the world, so.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Half the software that you run is probably built in Ukraine. I know, I know. My Mac Paw is so. Anything from Mac Paw is from there so clean. My Mac Ukrainian. Go figure.

[C]

Well, that's cool.

[B]

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[C]

So I know we've talked about Starlink. I say we. Like, I've just been on this show for ages. Okay, you're on Discord.

[B]

You're on the Discord channels. It is a we. Yeah, that's a royal we.

[C]

It's a royal web. So whether you love or hate Starlink. Love or hate Elon. I fall in the latter camp. But there is a growing concern over satellite reentries after viral videos show SpaceX Starlink satellites burning up in the atmosphere. So according to astrophysicist Jonathan McDowell, who is a Harvard Smithsonian center for Astrophysics, say that three times fast before coffee. Earth is seeing, quote, a couple of satellite reentries a day. There's about 20,000, 20,000 tracked objects that orbit Earth. Roughly 12,000 active satellites, 8,000 Starlinks, which I thought there were more, But I mean, 8,000 is a lot.

[B]

They're working up to the tens of thousands.

[C]

So I think his goal was what, 45, 50,000, something like that.

[B]

Yeah, some. Some ridiculous amount that is just going to screw up the entire night sky for every astronomer out there.

[C]

Exactly, exactly. So McDowell, he's warning the situation is getting, I love this quote, pretty busy up there.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[C]

I think you buried the lead calling for global regulation coordination to manage the growing risk. And of course we're talking about low Earth orbit or leo. It's become increasingly crowded. You've got new entrants like. Well, Amazon just put up around 100 satellites. They've got thousands plan Espace, which I honestly I've never heard of, but they're proposing hundreds of thousands in China.

[B]

Hundreds of thousands.

[C]

Hundreds of thousands is what it says. Yeah. And we got China. Don't let's not forget China. I had to do China, but has already deployed 100 plus satellites and they plan tens of thousands. So maybe Espace and China need to get together. I don't know. But there's also other things up there. Like a million untracked fragments of at least a centimeter in size orbiting Earth. Yeah, and something I had to clarify. It says average LEO commercial satellite lifespan is around five years before deorbiting. And I thought, wait a minute, I know there are satellites that have been up there a lot longer. So I had to dig in and clarify. What this is actually talking about is the FCC now requires commercial satellites in LEO to be deorbited within five years of their mission ending, which is a change from the previous 25 year standard. So Starlink designed their satellites to deorbit around about the five year mark after they've been launched.

[B]

Yeah, that's not mission ending, though, mission end. That's, that's like, you know, planned obsolescence. Because I bet they're believing that their satellites are going to be upgradable within five years. So they're just like, okay, these are disposable. We're going to throw them up and take them down.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. I think that's what it is too, because that's what, that's what I keyed in on. It was like five years after mission ending. So if I got a 10 year mission for my satellite that's in low earth orbit, then that means at the 15 year mark, I'm supposed to deorbit the thing. But Starlink's like, yeah, we'll just do it every five years. And, you know, they'll, they'll burn up. Sure, right.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

So this goes along with what's known as the Kessler Syndrome, which is from a 1970s theory by Don Kessler, which warned that cascading collisions could trigger a train, a chain reaction of orbital debris and.

[B]

Yeah, locking us into basically being stuck on the planet forever.

[C]

Exactly, exactly. And McDowell cautions that a radiation event or a random collision could accelerate such a scenario. The Starlink satellites are around 30 meters long. They weigh about a ton, and as we already said, they're designed to fully disintegrate during reentry. Those small pieces may survive. And so, you know, we've got meteors. Meteors are considered fast moving fireballs. Satellite reentry is kind of a slower, stately burn up around 40 miles above Earth. And to further this, even more Chinese space debris incidents have raised concerns about carelessness, which is underscoring this entire need for international agreements on orbital safety. But everybody's just going, me too. I need thousands of satellites up there for my Internet service. No, I need thousands of satellites for my Internet service. You know, and we've already had the issue where astronomers and amateur astronomers and professional astronomers are like, we can't see shit up here anymore because of all of the starlinks. And so they had to. I think they either changed the paint on the new ones or they had some way to make them less reflective.

[B]

Yeah, they did. They definitely changed the paint. But they're also running into issues now where it's not just light leaks from the reflections. It's actual signal leaks from the satellites that are interfering with other satellites that are up there. They're not shielded properly, so things are starting to bleed out, which is a very interesting scenario for kind of a sabotage movie plot, where you just throw up, just basically a signal jamme satellite, which I'm sure we probably have a bunch of those up there already.

[C]

I mean, think about something else, too. You know, you've got the reflectivity issue, you've got the leaks. And as you put more and more up there, are we eventually going to have, like. And, you know, I'm making a callback here. The way the Nova Corps can use their ships, like in Guardians of the Galaxy, and, like, surround something. Are we going to have nothing but Starlink and other satellites that are. That are tip to tip, you know? Yeah, just like that. It's like, no, we're never getting off this planet. We're not going to Mars. Elon, you. We can't get off. Your own satellites are stopping us.

[B]

Yeah. I can't even get to the moon anymore.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

It's so funny you mentioned Nova Corps. I just watched Guardians of the Galaxy last weekend.

[C]

Yeah? Yeah.

[B]

My dad had never seen it, so I had to. He was in town, and we needed a movie to watch, so we just watched that.

[C]

Ah, it's. I like all three of them. I think the first two are the best ones. The third one is. Is okay, but I got to go.

[B]

Back and watch them. I was drinking a lot when those came out, so I don't even remember.

[C]

I've had to do that before. Before I quit. Before I quit drinking. I remember the. The Matrix movie that came out in 2021. The fourth one. I had to watch it four times because the first three times, I'd fall asleep in the middle of it because I was drunk.

[B]

Same here. And I think. I think when I watched it sober, I still fell asle kind of boring.

[C]

But, yeah, that's true. I mean, I love Keanu Reeves, but I was like, okay, now that I have actually seen it sober, I'm done.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, it was a nice send off.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Although they did a better job. Keanu did a better job with the Bill and Ted sendoff that I thought was beautiful. But anyway, we'll save that for media candy. Keep on because I can talk all day.

[C]

Yeah, I will sidetrack us like, like nobody's business. So keep me on point.

[B]

UK regulator Ofcom has fined 4chan $26,600 or 20,000 pounds, the first penalty under Britain's new Online Safety Act. Now, I had to stop for a second because I'm like, wait a minute, 4chan, are you retroactively, you know, are you going back to the 2000s to start finding old websites?

[C]

Are they dead?

[B]

I thought that they were dead, but apparently not.

[C]

Oh, no.

[B]

4Chan, along with Kiwi Farms, has fired back with a US lawsuit claiming Ofcom's orders violate the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Basically saying you can't force speech, incriminate a site or override due process, especially when the site is US based. So 4chan is apparently back and is in the US, so.

[C]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah. They're also demanding that a US court block enforcement of the UK's law against American companies, warning that acquiescent here could set up future censorship overreach. Now, Ofcom insists this isn't censorship, but regulation to protect users, especially miners, from harmful content. Well, that's what 4chan was always about, was harmful content for minors. That's where its bread and butter was. Now what's interesting is the NFTC agrees that OSA may be an overreach. Its chair recently warned US tech firms that censoring American companies to comply with foreign rules could breach US law. Hmm. Okay. Well, I don't even know if the FTC is actually a real thing anymore, because if it's a three letter acronym with our government, who the fuck knows?

[C]

I don't think it is. I don't think it is. And the only reason why they'd even be weighing in on this is America First. It's like no other country going to tell our people what we can or cannot do. That's for us to do.

[B]

It's for us to decide. I was just, I was just tickled that 4chan is apparently still around. They're back from the dead.

[C]

I, you know, I think I may have visited that site 15 years ago, 10 years ago. I, I don't. It was never a place that I hung out. It just was not my thing. And I saw. Oh God, what was it? A few years ago they did a documentary on one of the streaming services talking about Q and how, how Q got its start on his, her, whoever the hell they are on 4chan and then 8chan and all this other stuff. And I was about channed out after.

[B]

That so more chance in the Chinese phone book.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

Now, I spent a lot of time on random B. On. On 4chan. Just. Just. Just scooping up memes. I mean, it was a meme factory. That's where some of the greatest memes ever started. So back then, it was a thing. But there was also a lot of really horrible shit that I wish I could unsee that I can't. So, yeah, that's the. That's the risk. You take it. Fortune. Well, Elon's back in the news. In Nevada, state regulators say Elon Musk's Boring company racked up nearly 800 environmental violations over the past two years while digging its Las Vegas tunnel network. Violations include starting digs without permits, dumping untreated groundwater on the streets, and spilling muck from trucks.

[C]

Oh, God. I guess their idea was, we'll fix it in post. Just move on.

[B]

That's pretty much it. Oh, man. Yeah. 100 debris and claim the company skipped 689 required site inspections. That's a lot of site inspections over two years. That's almost one a day.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. They could have fined the boring company over $3 million into the terms of the 2022 agreement, thanks to daily penalties for each violation. But in a move bound to raise eyebrows, regulators slashed the fine down to 242,800 or 242,000 dol. $800. Citing discretion given the sheer volume of violation, you get a bulk discount in Vegas if you just keep violating the law. I should have got 10 hookers that time I got busted. God damn it.

[C]

Exactly. Exactly. I mean, if I'm. If I'm going to get 30 days for one, can I get three days for 10? I can get three days for 10. You know, happy, happy, joy, joy.

[B]

Happy endings all around.

[C]

Exactly. Me Love you long time.

[B]

Okay. I'm glad to see the boring company is up to their normal shenanigans.

[C]

You know, I think it's just because Elon is Elon. Especially after he did his little thing with Doge. He's probably like, I'm untouchable, so, you know, nobody's going to fuck with us.

[B]

Nope. And the thing is, you know, at the end of the day, what does Vegas have to show for it but a bunch of holes in the ground? So they probably don't want him to, like, you know, blow up the tunnels and sink. Sink Vegas. That would be a total, you know, super villain move, which, you know, you never know.

[C]

Yeah, well, I mean, that sounds about like him. And, you know, don't get me wrong, I like the concept. Anything that is going to move traffic quicker from point A to point B. I mean, one of the things that I wish we could do down here would be light rail, but nobody wants to do any kind of train stuff down here in South Georgia. I mean, that just makes too much fucking sense.

[B]

Makes too much sense. Yeah. You know what? Yeah, mass transit helps traffic.

[C]

That's exactly, exactly. And I mean, Tifton, Tifton is not a big town. So county wide we have about 45,000 people. The city proper has about 15,000 people. But I live on the east side of town and still to get to the west side of west side of town, and I know people are going to be like, oh, that's the tiniest violin I've ever fucking heard, especially if you live in L. A or whatever. But it can literally take me about 20 minutes to get from one side to the other. I know, I know, I know. You know, I can hear the eye roll. All right, do you know how long.

[B]

I sat in traffic yesterday? I sat in traffic for 2 hours and 45 minutes to do a 32 mile round trip.

[C]

No, no, I will not do that. Fuck that noise. And I'm talking more not just for Tifton, but you know, we have Albany, Georgia, which is, you know, a larger city, even going up to, to Macon. You know, if you could, if we had a depot here and you could hop on the train and you could be in Macon, which is a two hour trip on i75, if you could get on a train and get there in like an hour or less, I don't know how fast the trains can go. I think that would be fantastic. But that's never going to happen here, so.

[B]

It's too damn socialist.

[C]

I'm old man yelling at clouds. I know, right? I know.

[B]

All right, what's our next story?

[C]

Well, talking about social. Well, this is not socialism, but I never know about AI. So the perfect looking house for sale may have an owner using AI to virtually enhance the listing. So if you've ever gone online, like Zillow and all of those other places, a lot of website, you know, looking at houses, looking at all the pictures, they, they will do stagings and a lot of times that is a manual thing that they have to do. Well, now some folks are using AI virtual staging to let sellers digitally enhance home photos, adding furniture or upgrades to boost appeal.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

So broker Matthew Ping, God love that name. Spotted a listing where the lawn, the roof and the facade were AI enhanced. These are changes that if he. The person had actually done, would have cost around $100,000.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

So what they're, what they're saying now is MLS is, you know, that's the body that basically, I forget what it stands for. I actually have some real estate clients which I'm going to talk about at the end of that. This. But MLS rules that you must disclose any edits. You can't alter room dimensions or, or property features. So there needs to be some transparency that. What I'm looking at was AI, augmented AI generated, AI staged, whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

The upside of being able to do this is they say, well, the benefits are it's faster, it's cheaper than physically staging, it's ideal for vacant or remote homes. But there's risk to buyers looking at your house, getting out there and going, well, this ain't what it looked like on the, on the website. So.

[B]

Right.

[C]

You know, some agents are posting before and after comparisons. So I reached out to one. I actually reached out to all of my real estate clients and one of them got back to me immediately. I said, have you seen this here in South Georgia? And he said, yes, I have one property that they did AI for the staging. He said, it's been on the market for a long, long time. Because when people would actually get to the house to look at it, it wasn't the same house. They were disappointed.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And I'm like, well, so what about the rules? Did it. Was it not notated that it was AI or whatever? And basically the answer was no.

[B]

Yeah. Because there's no. There's no real MLS police. You know, I live with a real estate broker and I used to shoot houses, you know, for her. And we did a couple virtual staging. And virtual staging has been around before AI was ever a thing. You basically can go on a site and literally drop furniture in and put stuff on the walls because people have no imagination. They want it staged so they can kind of get an idea of what the house is going to look like when they move in. Now that kind of virtual staging, no problem. It's fantastic. I can't believe how good it is. I mean, when I did the first house with it, I went and I shot it plain and just uploaded my photos and just let a service do it. And they sent it back within like 20 minutes. And it was gorgeous. And then I did a couple of them where I actually went to a site and staged it myself based on what, you know, the client wanted. And it was. It was great. And the house sold like, you know, just like that it was gone and nobody complained. There was no problem with it. Now with. Now they're saying it's AI Virtual staging. I think the problem here is this. This guy who saw the. The lawn, the roof, and the facade. That's a different thing than actual staging the inside of the house with furniture, you know. Yeah, there's a fine line there.

[C]

Exactly. You're making actual constructural changes to the way the house actually looks.

[B]

Yeah, that's bait and switch.

[C]

Yeah, I agree. That's. That's 100% bait and switch. And I'd be pissed off, too, if I looked at the house and I was like, oh, yeah, that is the. Let's go. Look at that. And I get there and, you know, the windows are falling out and where's the duck pond? Yeah, where's the duck pond?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

So I. I don't know. I'm. Look, I'm fine with them using stuff like this as long as there needs to be in big, bold letters. This is not representative of the way the house actually looks. And then, of course, I don't know why the. You do it anyway. You know, show the house the way it is and do the work.

[B]

Well, the thing is. Yeah, yeah, actually showing the actual physical version of the house, that should be 100%. You know, you can use. You can use lighting, time of day, things like that, to mask imperfections, but if you actually physically change it, there's a problem. There's definitely a problem. And with staging, AI staging, I think you can. You can. There's a checkbox for staged with AI, but that stuff, like I said, that you have. You have to stage a house no matter what. And staging a house physically for walkthroughs is a must. You can't virtually stage a house for walkthroughs, but if it's just for a quick, you know, quick turn and, you know the house is going to sell because it's in a, you know, a good market and you can sell it without having to do walkthroughs. AI staging. I'm sorry, virtual staging. Yeah, virtual part is. Because literally it's just drag and drop Photoshop shit. That's fine. I got no problem with that whatsoever.

[C]

Yeah, I love the 3D rendering that they do, like on all these building shows where they go out and they, like, look at three different properties and then they're like, well, we can take this wall down and we can do that. And they do those. Those virtual 3D renderings where you can really see a good representation of the way it's going to look after they're done. Yep, I'm fine with that. So it's just this. I don't like the dishonesty aspect of it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just, just basically with any. It's good sales, good salesmanship to not, not lie to your potential customers.

[C]

Yeah. You know, like with me. Of course this $50 computer will do exactly what it'll play. Crisis. Don't worry about it.

[B]

Yeah. Seriously.

[A]

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[B]

Well, something that is not living up to what the salespeople said it was going to do. Vibe coding. Oh yes, Vibe coding.

[C]

Who would have guessed it?

[B]

OpenAI co founder, Andre Carpathy. Carpathy. I just think Carpathian. I am a Carpathian.

[C]

Yeah, I know, right?

[B]

Andre Carpathian, the guy who coined vibe coding, the idea of letting AI handle your code while you chill, just admitted even he can't make it work. After leaving OpenAI, Karpathi built an open source project called Nanochat, a small from scratch framework that lets anyone train a mini chatgpt for about 100 bucks. The twist? He wrote every one of its 8,000 lines of code by hand because, as he put it, AI tools like Claude and Codex were. Net unhelpful. Yes, Net unhelpful. That's a bit awkward considering this is the same guy who once said he fully gives into the vibes and doesn't even read the code AI spits out. Turns out when you're writing something serious, not just a throwaway weekend project, those vibes crash hard. And it's not just him. Surveys show 95% of developers spend more time fixing AI generated code than they save. And research finds AI assisted devs actually finish slower. Companies are even hiring humans to clean up AI messes like we've covered on the show before. So for now, vibe coding might be fun for demos, but when it's time to ship real software, the vibes are dead and humans are still doing the heavy lifting. I can, I can totally corroborate this. I've spent so much time in oh God. Cursor in cursor building a couple projects. It gets you so close and then pulls the rug out from under you. It's like a really bad NFT scam. It is just a rug pull waiting to happen.

[C]

Yeah. My son Tyler, Amazon is really very positive about trying to use AI for internal systems and software development and things like that. So they're. They're heavily encouraged to try to use it whenever they can.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And he's a software developer of about roughly 20 years now. And he's like. He's like, dad, there are times where it can. It can almost do some things. He said, but he said, I constantly run into this issue where I'm telling it to do this thing and then it does this other thing wrong and then I tell it, no, you need to fix this thing, it fixes that, then it fucks the other thing up. He said, I'm constantly fixing what it's trying to do. He said, I'm faster just doing it by hand.

[B]

Yeah, it's whack a mole. It is absolutely whack a mole. That's what I've run into. I've got this project almost done and then I'm like, I need you to make this one tweak. And then the rest of the house of cards falls apart. And it's like, why did you do that? Why did you do that?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I didn't tell you to mess with those libraries over there. I said, I need this one little library fixed over here because it's not doing what it needs to do. Oh, I see what the problem is. You're absolutely correct. Let me just blow away six hours worth of work.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, I'm not a programmer or a software developer. I dabbled years and years ago. But I will use ChatGPT for minor things. You know, build me a website framework in HTML or some Python scripts to open up a database and do a search and do some other things and, you know, just minor stuff like that, that utilities. I could probably figure. Yeah, I mean, I could probably figure it out in about two months when, you know, it. It took me about 30 minutes. And then fixing some things that I didn't like the way it did and, you know, and then it didn't. Or it didn't run, especially with Python, it just didn't run the way it was supposed to. It generated an error and then I'd go look for that error and, you know, and I'd even use Chat GPT. I'm like, hey, you screwed this Up. Why is this not working? Oh, I'm sorry. You're absolutely correct. I should have put this in there within. Why didn't you do it the first time?

[B]

I know. If he tells me I'm absolutely correct one more time, I want to reach through and just rip out Sam Altman's heart.

[C]

Hey. I still say please and thank you to it, because when the AI overlords take over, I want that like, that meme. It's like, get rid of them. Oh, he was nice to us. He's fine.

[B]

I got a text expander snippet that has like a three paragraph. Thank you. The thing is, it is really brilliant for small things like utilities and Claude code is otherworldly good compared to all of the other ones. But the problem is now the prices are going up and I.

[C]

It.

[B]

I don't want to pay for. I write code because I need it to make me money. I don't want to spend money on code. I want to write code to generate money, you know?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I've had friends who, who have, you know, they're non coders, but, you know, they're stupid wealthy and just sit there and play on it all day, and they'll run up to $3,000 a day just dicking around. And I'm like, could you just hire me, please?

[C]

I know, right? I know.

[B]

I mean, like, this is more fun. I'm like, yeah, but food me.

[C]

Help me. Need food. Yeah. I pay $20 for chat GBT, and that's my limit. I've got a friend of mine who he's. He's definitely wealthier than I am, but he's not like a multimillionaire or anything. And several months ago, we were chatting back and forth and I was like, yeah, I'm doing the $20 a month. He goes, I'm doing the $200 a month. I'm like, why? You run a plastic extrusion company. That's what you own. What the fuck do you need to spend $200 a month on chat? What are you doing? Are you trying to figure out how to run your extrusions more efficiently? I mean, what's.

[B]

Well, maybe because he's probably got the erotic package going. That's his extrusion he's working on.

[C]

We are now making dildos. Plastic extrusion flip. Oh, God. Oh.

[B]

So, yeah, I'm rocking it. About 60 bucks a month because I pay for ChatGPT, I pay for Claude, and I pay for Gemini. And like I said, the Gemini is just an add on Because I got to pay for The Google Drive 20 bucks a month anyway to get the 2 terabytes.

[C]

The only time I use Gemini is if I'm doing a search. And my default search is actually DuckDuckGo, which they've got an AI component too, which is not bad. But occasionally if I'm on another machine where Bing is the default or no, Google is the default, say Bing. Yes. Sorry.

[B]

You got a freaking time machine. Hook a brother up.

[C]

I know, right? I need. I really would like to go back. It was much better time from 2005 to 2010. But yeah, I'll. I'll. Sometimes I'll. I'll do it. Let it do the. I'll right click and it'll say, you know, search. And it'll do the little thing on the right hand side. But, you know, most of the time I'm. I'm using. I. I wound up using Chat GPT to do most of my search. What is that one that I. I cannot remember that. You can. It. It has all of them. It has Chat GPT, it has Claude and po. Po. That's it. That's it. I thought about paying for that one, but I was like, yeah. Even though.

[B]

Even I ran for a while. Even though you pay for it, you still run up against limits pretty quickly.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. So you end up spending more money on PO because, I mean, they get it. They buy in bulk, so they get cycles for cheaper. And it's kind of the same model the Cursor has. It'll like, you know, when you pick the default model in Cursor, it just basically cycles you through whichever they have the most credits for whichever model at the same time. So that's why your code comes back. Like sometimes it's like, holy shit, that's really good. And then, you know, they must have had some extra Claude code time. But then when it comes back garbage, it's like, oh, it's like, you know the ghetto LLM.

[C]

Yeah. This one came from Gemini.

[B]

Yeah, I've had great luck with Gemini. It's been actually better for me than almost all of them at this point.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Yeah. The new Gemini license or the new Gemini models are really, really decent. Especially since I can drop in an MP3 and have it write all the show notes for clients. I'm like, give me the outline. Here's the. I've got text expander snippets for everything. So I just say, put in the text expander snippet for particular client show. Like, this is the outline. This is What I need it to look like, this is a previous version. Take this MP3 and give me everything and it'll spit it back almost perfectly. And then I send it to the client for edits. It's like, okay, done.

[C]

Yeah. I still, I still have Whisper CPP on my Mac mini that I take my files, run it through. I've got a convert shell script that converts it using ffmpeg and then I run like, I run two commands. I have it do a text only and then I have it do an SRT and I take, then what I do is I take the text and I drag it over into Chat GPT and then I, I have a prompt that I basically say, you know, summarize for show notes, add a little bit of humor, give me some ideas for titles, et cetera, et cetera. And about 90% of the time I don't, I don't have to do any major edits to it. And then that's what I use.

[B]

Yeah. The problem with Chat GPT. I know we're getting into the AI wormhole here for a second, guys. Stick with us. The problem with ChatGPT is the context window isn't big enough to usually get the entirety of an audio file for an hour. So that's where Gemini is key. Like if you drop in the, and just drop the MP3 and it'll cost you about, for an hour, it's about 180,000. Between 140 and 180,000 tokens. The input window for Gemini is a million tokens. So you still have 800,000 plus tokens for your actual prompt and in context. So that's where that really kind of kicks ass.

[C]

But I've never tried to drop an actual MP3 into chat GPT.

[B]

It barfs for the most part. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Depends on which server farm you get to. They may have capacity or not.

[C]

Yeah, because honestly, every show that I do is going to be over an hour long anyway, so.

[B]

Yep. So you're going to run into problems with that. But you know, AI is going to kill us all. We just talk for 20 minutes on how we use it.

[C]

Well, we are, we are humans. We are not bright.

[B]

Welcome to Grumpy Old Hypocrites.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

Well, I'm going to finish off the news here because I needed a laugh. Man launches world's first Waymo DDoS by ordering 50 robo taxis to Dead End Street.

[C]

I would have loved to have seen that.

[B]

I know. This weekend, a 23 year old tech prankster Named Riley Waltz pulled off what he dubbed the world's first Waymo DDoS, which Waymo is DDoS itself many times. So this is the first external DDoS. I think instead of flooding servers with traffic, he flooded a San Francisco dead end street with 50 self driving taxis all summoned at once. And none of it because he got a bunch of his friends together to kind of pull this off. And none of them got in the cars and they just paid the $5 no show fee and then took off. But Waymo did catch on and suspended rides in the area overnight, which you know, was a decent. They didn't go after anybody. They said they called it harmless fun and nobody's, nobody's harmed. Everybody's laughing at it. And I was after my, my horrible commute yesterday. I was in Beverly Hills driving through Beverly Hills at one point and I was stuck at 18 traffic lights. Every traffic light I saw two or three Waymos. They're everywhere in Beverly Hills. And it is really disconcerting. The first couple hundred times you see a car driving around with nobody in the driver's seat. It really is. And somebody in the backseat. It's bizarre. But yeah, they, they didn't cause any problems. They, they signaled. They changed lanes. Yeah.

[C]

Tulsa King.

[B]

I haven't seen that.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, it's the one that's got Sylvester Stallone. Sylvester Stallone. There is a scene that I just happened to come across. You may can find it on YouTube somewhere. He gets in the back of a Waymo, not realizing that there's no driver and just the scene, he starts going nuts and to the point where. And you know, I'm going to have to give away the punchline here, he pulls his gun and shoots the damn front of the car. He's sitting in the back. He starts shooting the screen because he's like, I want the fuck out of this thing.

[B]

Okay, that's pretty good.

[C]

So. But yeah, I would have loved to have seen this right here. And I'm actually surprised that Waymo didn't, didn't bring charges against. I don't know what kind of charges you would have brought against him unless.

[B]

There'S nothing you can do. He just. No, he, he literally hired the taxis to show up and paid the no show fee. So that's. There's nothing illegal about that.

[C]

Yeah, it's kind of like the, the cops that had to pull over the, the Waymo that did the. They were, they were doing dui.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah. Driver.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. And the car did a U turn and then they Pulled it over and they're like, we have nothing on the books to be over like this.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

So, yeah, it's hilarious. It's hilarious. I'm not sure when we'll ever. If we'll ever see them around here.

[B]

I mean, eventually, just not in our lifetime.

[C]

Yeah, well, Lyft drivers and all the other ones, they can't make a living. They have to go down to, like, Valdosta or Tallahassee or Jacksonville in Florida, but you just can't make it around here.

[B]

Well, Uber did just launch its new AI training program where you can get paid to train AI while you're waiting in between rides.

[C]

Hey, so there you go.

[B]

They're monetizing downtime.

[C]

I don't know. That may help some folks.

[B]

Media candy.

[C]

All right, so Gen V had its penultimate episode this week, and I know there are a lot of people and I think.

[B]

Spoilers, no spoilers.

[C]

I'm not gonna. No, no spoilers, no spoilers. And I think I've even heard you say that you kind of weren't interested in it. But here's what the only thing that I will say. You need to watch it before the fifth season of the Boys comes out. I'll just say that.

[B]

Yeah, I saw you put this in the notes and you pointed that out, and I'm like, oh, that's right. There's gonna be crossover, so I better start watching. And I just finished episode four last night and. Oh, absolutely. You have to watch it before the Boys, because the whole season is a setup for the ending of the Boys, so.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. And it's great. It's like the first episode just didn't hook me. But after I. After I started watching it, I'm really into it. It's not. Not nearly as. As cringy as the other season was, as far as just, like, evil. And I like the first season of Gen V. I actually liked it better than some of the seasons of the Boys.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. I thought the first season was good. And yeah, I think I agree with you. The. The first of the second season was a slow start, but it's well worth it, especially once you get to the seventh episode.

[B]

Yeah, that's, you know, this weekend I'm definitely going to get hopefully caught up. It's my watch before I go to bed. I kind of fall asleep to it, which is probably not the smartest thing to do, but.

[C]

And he wonders why he has those weird dreams.

[B]

Yeah, I wonder why I need so many drugs to fall asleep. That's. Why Is it right to take seven Benadryl just so I can get three hours of sleep.

[C]

Dr. That's the reason why I take by. I take Super Sevens from a company called Binoid. It's basically the reason why they're called Super Sevens is they have Delta 8, Delta 9, Delta 10, THC 8. I mean, there's seven different things in them. I cannot take a whole one because I start seeing things.

[B]

Yeah. I think my sponsor would have problems if I took that as far as.

[C]

Well, I mean, it's all my program goes. Yeah, I mean, I understand. I understand. And I. I literally have to cut them into quarters.

[B]

Yeah, no, I. Trust me. I had to have a conversation over melatonin if I was allowed to take that or not.

[C]

Oh, yeah, I get it. Yeah, I understand.

[B]

Yep. So Apple has just dropped the plus from Apple TV plus, which is going to confuse the shit out of everybody who wasn't confused already. When you're trying to explain. What did you watch that on? I watched it on Apple tv. Okay. Is it the. Which one? I watch it on Apple tv. On my Apple tv. On Apple tv.

[C]

Right, Exactly. That makes perfect sense.

[B]

Such perfect sense. I'm so glad that they cleared that whole thing by just removing the plus. That's so great.

[C]

How does one call this a vibrant new identity?

[B]

I have no. They. They released a new icon, so if you get. If you're on the. If you're on the iOS betas, it gets a new icon.

[C]

Oh, whoopty fucking, dude. I mean.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, God. You know, I love Apple, but come on, guys, it's fucking stupid.

[B]

All right, I got a shout out to Geek's Corner over on Discord, AKA Steve. Let me know that the celebrity traders in the UK started last week. Oh, my God, it's so good. It's so good. Stephen Fry's on there, so he's a national treasure. Even though it's not my nation, he's still a national treasure to me. True. I bet. I always get. I always get nervous when I see somebody I really like on the Traders because they usually go home first, but he's still there. A couple episodes in Knock on Wood, no spoilers from here on out. But it's so great. If you're in the UK, grab it. If you have BitTorrent, go grab it. If you're a Traders fan. If you don't know what the Traders is, you probably don't give a. But for me, it was great. I also watched the entirety of the Fortune Hotel both seasons also, again, I think, thanks to Steve, it Was great. Great game show. A bunch of people locked in a hotel with a bunch of briefcases with money in it. One has money, and they all have to figure out who has it. And somebody gets kicked out every night. My kind of show. I don't know why. I've just. I've fallen in love with these kind of shows as I get older. It's strange. Very strange.

[C]

It's the times we live in.

[B]

It really is. They're just upbeat and fun backstabbing with, like, nobody getting hurt, so. And somebody wins a bunch of money. It's perfect.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So my dad was in town last week, and he had never seen Idiocracy. I was like, how? You're my father. How is it possible that we've gone this long, You've never seen Idiocracy? So I just wanted to show him the beginning scene because he'd never seen that, which is, you know, the kickoff to everything that we're going through today. So we ended up watching that. I gotta say, it's a little slow in the middle, but Idiocracy, it's got legs and electrolytes.

[C]

I need to go back and rewatch it.

[B]

It's so good. It's so good. When we were done with that, we watched Never Surrender, a Galaxy Quest documentary, because he'd also never seen that. Because Galaxy Quest is a perfect film, as far as I can tell.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

Most people that have seen it also agree. Yes, you agree. It's. It's a perfect film. So Never Surrender, a Galaxy Quest documentary is on. I can watch it on prime for free. If you're a Prime member. It's a phenomenal documentary. It's got a couple of my friends in it, which was really fun to see. My friend Crash is in it. He was the art director, used to work for Stan Winston, and he's a. He's a buddy of mine. Most talented person on the planet that I know. Crazy talented. And Missy Pyle, who was one of the actresses in the show. Friend of mine. And she's got a new show out, the Missy and Brooke show, which I pimped a couple weeks ago. Go check it out. It's fun. Missy and Brooke shooting the shit. Good stuff. But definitely, if you've never seen Never Surrender, have you seen it?

[C]

I have. No, I have not.

[B]

You got to see it. The documentary is almost as good as the movie. It's so good.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

It leaves you with all the good feels.

[C]

And it's on Prime.

[B]

Yep. You can watch it on Prime.

[C]

Okay. Yep. You know, who in America doesn't have it? Whether you wanted it or not, you get it.

[B]

You get it. But you just pay as part of your taxes now. Yeah, it's. It's so good. All the feels. All the feels. And I do want to pimp a show that I may or may not be associated with called Anonymous. Real Stories of Alcoholism, Addiction and Recovery. I think just put out the 11th episode, so. And it's going strong. It's just people telling their stories like it says, Real Stories of Addiction, Alcoholism and Recovery. So check it out.

[C]

Oh, cool. Have you seen the Minecraft movie?

[B]

I am not a kid, and I don't have kids, so I have not seen the Minecraft movie because I've never played Minecraft.

[C]

Okay, well, I did see it. I'm. I'm not a kid. Just a kid at heart. My wife still tells me that I'm 14 years old.

[B]

I think we all are.

[C]

We probably all are. And I love Jason Momoa and, you know, Jack Black's okay for me. And I did used to play Minecraft with. With my kids years ago. They were the ones that got me into it. And we were actually streaming on the early days of Twitch and that kind of stuff.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

So the movie itself is. It's fun. All right. I would not put it. I mean, it's. It's not an academic exercise in anything. It's just goofy, dumbass fun. Okay.

[B]

Jason Momoa, you're not going to get.

[C]

Exactly, exactly. And Jack Black is just Jack Black. I mean, he plays Steve, but he's Jack Black. So anyway, as. As you would suspect, Minecraft movie number two is going to be released July 23, 2027.

[B]

They made so much money on the first one. That was a foregone conclusion that was going to come out.

[C]

Yeah. I think the thing that they sent out that they released was something like they were building something. Anyway, it's from the whole Minecraft motif of, you know, you constantly build stuff. So they're starting to build number two.

[B]

So we better finish this show so I can go build a number two myself. Apps and doodads. All right, this week I have decided to go back to Things three. I know it's a groundbreaking decision. I talked about using reminders on iOS and how it just got the job done, but it's just so goddamn ugly, I couldn't handle it anymore. So I had a Things 3 license for all my devices. Like, why am I not. Why am I not using that? So I went back to it, and I'm happier That's all I gotta say. I'm just happier because it's prettier. Life is too short to use ugly software and reminders, albeit functional. It's pretty fucking ugly.

[C]

I mean, isn't that the goal in life, is just to be happy?

[B]

It is. It is the little things. Little. It's the little things three that make me happy.

[C]

You know what doesn't make me happy?

[B]

What?

[C]

We're now looking at Wi Fi 8. 8, 8.

[B]

I didn't know there was 6 and 7.

[C]

Yeah. Do you know what your access points are in your place?

[B]

Hell no.

[C]

So, well, the new hotness has been Wi Fi 7, but now TP Link has confirmed that they have successfully done Wi Fi 8 802.11 bn trials, which is a key milestone in the next gen wireless development.

[B]

Okay, okay, I'm sorry. Here. Every time I think TP link, I think Cornholio, I need TP link for my. So I think 802.11 should have been 802.11 BM for a nice BM. So Cornholio could have a 802.11 BM.

[C]

I like it. Maybe we should petition them to change the.

[B]

I think we should.

[C]

The name of it. All right, so what they did is they validated Wi Fi 8 beacon inductor throughput. They used, of course, prototype hardware built for a. Or built with a joint industry partnership, most likely with Qualcomm. But the goal is not to get more speed, but to get better reliability, lower latency and what they're calling stronger real world performance. So you still get your 2, 4, your 5, your 6.

[B]

I'm sorry, that sounds like a Viagra commercial. I need better reliability, lower latency and stronger real world performance.

[C]

Yeah, well, that's the reason you just start a BlueChew subscription, you'll be fine. But, okay, yeah, they still have the 2.4, the 5 and the 6 GHz bands. 4, 4096QAM, if anybody knows what QAM is. I used to run a cable broadband company, so I'm painfully aware of what QAM is, okay? 320 MHz bandwidth, et cetera, et cetera, which you already get in Wi Fi 7. They still rated at 46 gigabits per second max, but they're aiming for 25% faster real world speeds. I mean, ultimately, there's all kinds of crap in here, technical stuff. Optimizes power levels for cleaner signals, improves directional signal targeting, boost throughput by up to 80%, refines data efficiency. I mean, it hits all the buzzwords, man. So ultimately, the benefit is hopefully you'll get stronger connections in crowded areas, you'll get less interference, you'll get smoother roaming, and you'll get better low signal performance. Here's what kills me. Wi Fi 7 only came out in 2023.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

So what? You know, and Wi Fi 7 already kicks ass. So I figure Wi Fi 8, we'll probably start seeing spec units come out in another year or two with WI fi because they do that a lot. The spec won't be ratified, but they'll go ahead and produce equipment that they're like, oh, we'll fix it with firmware, you know, once it gets ratified. And so I figure we'll start seeing spec units in a year or two, and it might get ratified by 2028 or 2030.

[B]

Well, I guess it's time to start now, you know, if it's. If it's going to be that long to come out. So.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, the majority of my clients still have Wi Fi 5 units.

[B]

I just looked. I've got. I've got eero 6 pros.

[C]

Okay. Okay. I have deployed one TP link Wi Fi 7 Wi Fi router, which I hate to do, but it was such a small network and I was just replacing existing equipment. So that's Wi Fi 7. I'm a Ubiquiti shop, so that's what I normally put in. And I've done Wi Fi 7 in two different locations. One was a complete network with Wi Fi 7 wall units. And another one, I just replaced one of their main access points, which was a Wi Fi 5, with a Wi Fi 7 Pro. And I'm like, I'm not going back anytime soon to upgrade this stuff. So, you know, they're going to be kicking with it for at least another five years.

[B]

Mm.

[C]

So, you know, something to look forward to.

[B]

Well, like I said, my sixes work great. I got a bunch of the router. I've got three pro routers. Like, you know, I didn't go with any of the, you know, the little extenders. I just put three pro routers around my house and it seems to work. Everything else is just Ethernet, because I like Ethernet.

[C]

Oh, trust me, I've got. I've got four access points. I've got one here in the office, I've got one downstairs, one upstairs. And then I got a Wi Fi 6 outdoor unit because I had a certain area of my yard that whenever I would, I was cutting yards and I listened to podcasts and I might stream music or whatever. I started dropping out and I was like, this will not do.

[B]

So that's, that's how you know you're a geek.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

I can't mow my lawn and stream at the same time, so I must, I must fix this.

[C]

Exactly. I'll bring up YouTube because I got YouTube Premium. I'll bring it up and start a playlist. And I'm just rocking around on the lawnmower and then it starts buffering and.

[B]

I'm like, oh, this no, this just cannot stand.

[C]

This cannot stand. So I've got a Wi Fi 6 mesh unit ubiquity on that side of the house.

[B]

Well, that's awesome. Maybe you should get together with Dave and you guys can figure out some kind of solar windmill powered way to power it without actually, you know, hey.

[C]

I'm all for it. I'm all for it. I literally have a WYZE battery operated camera that has a solar panel connected to it to keep the battery. So that's right in my sphere.

[B]

There we go. Well, Windows 10, since you're an IT guy, I'm sure you have a lot of things to say about Windows 10. But all the big news this week is that Windows 10 is ending support. And people are saying that this is a disaster for the environment because everybody's going to have to dump these old Windows 10 machines because they're not Windows 11 compliant. But what more than likely is going to happen is that everybody's going to keep running their Windows 10 machine without support and it's just going to become a botnet dystopia. So what are your thoughts on the end of Windows 10 support, Donovan?

[C]

This pisses me the hell off because I have, I am what's considered an msp. So I have a lot of contracts with clients and I manage all their updates on their computers, I manage their antivirus and all that kind of stuff. And you know, when a lot of them, whenever Windows 10 came out, we started upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10. And I mean, I think we can all agree that the first iterations of Windows 10 were not that great. But by the, by the time they got around to the 1803 and the 19 whatevers, it was pretty solid. So I don't have a problem with Windows 10 in its current form. Is it perfect? No, I don't think any operating system is perfect. But there was a time as I was upgrading or replacing older machines from like 2011, 2012, you know, they'd gotten long in the tooth. So I started Buying these refurb units and off of Amazon and normally they were dell units like OptiPlex 7040 7050s. They'd have six gen i5, like the i5, 6500, come with 16 gigs of RAM and SSD and all of that. And it, they worked perfectly fine. Now two years ago I started swapping over to these little mini PCs made several companies make them, they're all Chinese made and I have no problem with that. But I use a particular brand called Beelink and they are phenomenal. For $300 you can get a Ryzen 5 or Ryzen 7, fifth generation, 16, 24, 32 gigs of RAM, 512 gig NVME or whatever. And so that's what I've been doing.

[B]

Two of those for. When I was mining. Oh, what was that stupid coin that I was doing?

[C]

It wasn't Ethereum, was it?

[B]

No, no, no, it was that, that really. God, I can't remember the name of it, but when I had my little mind going, yeah, I used a couple of those, it was pretty good. I'll remember it in the middle of. Just keep going, keep going. Yeah, and they're great little machines though.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, they're great little machines. They're low power because they're basically the form factor. They're based off of mobile CPUs that go in laptops and they come with a full license of Windows 11 Pro for 300 bucks. So what this has started causing is all of those refurb units that I was getting are no longer compatible for the requirements of Windows 11.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[C]

And so I'm okay with all the stuff that I've been buying over the last two years, but you know, you have to go to a client and say, you know that computer that we replaced in 2022? Yeah. We got to replace it again. Oh, and so I've got, yeah, I've got one client, it's a dentist office I just replaced because these, these were machines that weren't actually the refurbs, but they were like fourth generation, either i5 or I Threes. I replaced 13 of these things with these new BE links. And what I did is I said, yeah, I know, right? It was a chunk of change for them. So what I did is I said, look, I presented them with an agreement And I said, October 14, 2025, you're no longer going to get security updates, feature updates, anything on Windows 10 machines got to go to Windows 11. These machines do not support Windows 11 per the requirements of Microsoft. I Said, however, if it's a sixth or seventh generation, here's what we are going to do if you will agree to the caveats. And so what Donovan does is Donovan has a Windows 11 Pro thumb drive that he built with Rufus that bypasses all that bullshit. Now it does come up and it gives you a screen that says, hey, this machine does not support the requirements, so you're on your own. But you, so you have to, you have to click an accept button.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

But it'll still inside, it'll still install Windows 11 Pro or Home that I'm.

[B]

Doing on Pro and it'll keep, keep the updates going.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, there you go.

[C]

Yeah. And so that's, that's what I'm doing for some of them now that, like I said, the older machines, the 13, they were like, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna replace them. And then I had another client that they also had six Gen Dell units that were bought I think around 2018 somewhere in there and I gave them the same option and they were like, yeah, we'll just replace them. And so I replaced them with the little, you know, 32 gig 1 terabyte ryzen 5:55, 60U or something like that, Beelinks. And plus then they wanted, well, we need two monitors on each one now. So that was a nice little job. But this, this is bullshit. There's absolute, I mean, I know Microsoft is like, well, you need the TPM 2.0 because there's going to be, in the secure boot, there's going to be security issues and et cetera, et cetera. And I'm like, no, you just did this because you wanted to. There were other ways of doing this and there is no reason why a machine that, that is a 6th or 7th generation intel processor or the equivalent of an AMD Ryzen cannot run Windows 11. You just arbitrarily chose this. And so you're right, like this says you're either going to have a lot more e waste or you're going to have a lot of people that just aren't going to worry about it and they're not going to get security updates. And then on top of that, and I'll get off my high horse here, if you do want to continue to get updates, you got to use a fucking Microsoft account. Oh God, yeah, you can get a Windows 10 machine to continue updating I think for either another year or two, but you must start signing into the machine with a fucking Microsoft account.

[B]

Are you going to become a Linux house?

[C]

I have Tried and tried and tried my best on Linux, but the problem is some of the software that I have to use to like remote into machines only works on Windows. Yeah, well, I take it back. It works on Windows and it works on Mac os. I don't know how well supported it is on Linux.

[B]

Is anything supported on Linux anymore?

[C]

I mean, I don't know. I've got a friend of mine.

[B]

Save the emails, everybody. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[C]

I got a friend of mine that's in the same business. We were actually discussing the potential of maybe forming one company together. He just switched his workstation over to Linux. And I'm like, well, how are you going to handle the remote control and all that other kind of stuff? And he's like, I got a Windows VM for that. I'm like, okay, you got it figured out.

[B]

As Dave would say, let me just stop you here for a quick aside because I know we'll get letters. Dave.

[C]

Dave. Yeah, that would have been fun to talk to him.

[B]

Yep, he's. Guess where he's at right now?

[C]

Disneyland.

[B]

Yes, he is. Everybody went to Disney and left me home to work.

[C]

So there you go. Yeah, such is life.

[B]

On that note, closing Shout out over at Patreon, we've got three new subscribers. Daryl, Fat Fat and Donovan. How many people do I know named Donovan? Well, one. So thank you, Donovan, for becoming a Patreon. And no, that did not influence my decision to have you on the show because you did that after bribery. It works like you pay me first, then I do something. I did something that you paid me later. How's that work?

[C]

Yeah, well, I was actually, I was resubscribing or becoming a Patreon supporter again because I had, after I went on to my alcohol retirement, I had actually started tossing you guys money every. Every month. And then I had a lull. You know how it is, you start putting all your bills in a spreadsheet and you're looking at what your income and outcome is. And it's like, oh, I need to start cutting stuff. And I got to be honest with you, even before you asked me, I was already going to do it because I was getting tired of the fucking ads.

[B]

See, we had to up the, up those, those crap ads because we have to pay for the bandwidth and nobody's buying the, the paid ad. So yeah, yeah, we got a few extra ones.

[C]

We listened to my, my daughter and I listen to the show every Friday morning, so it's always the one prior. And when we go grocery shopping and when we hit those ads and I'm gonna. I'll be the. I'm that guy. I hit the fast forward.

[B]

I couldn't give a shit less if you hit fast forward as long as you download the show. Fine with me.

[C]

I do all right.

[B]

And also from the previous patrons, we don't have anybody right now because Brian's at Disneyland Paris and he didn't finish the list this week. So next week we'll do 20. So blame Brian and his Mickey Mouse fetish.

[C]

Exactly. Exactly. So over at PayPal, we have miles, Sherry, Arcadio, Nathaniel, Brett, Linda, and Andrew.

[B]

Over at the Tip Jar, we've got John, Sean, Theodore, Keith, Roger, and Thomas P with a big 250. Thank you, Thomas. Woohoo.

[C]

Yeah, I saw that and I was like, hey, wow, good on you.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

And some sad news this week. Diane Keaton, dead at the age of 79. She had a pretty good run. She will be missed.

[C]

Yep. And yesterday, Ace Freely, founding member of KISS, dead at 74. Which I had a question for you. Have you ever seen that movie they did in 1978 called Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park?

[B]

I've always hated Kiss since I came out of the womb. So I remember the commercials for it. I never watched it.

[C]

Don't. Do not try to find it.

[B]

I won't.

[C]

Just don't. But I remember as an 8 year old kid, I saw the commercial and I was like, I need to see this. Because I. I mean, all I knew about Kiss at the time was they were a band, but in the movie they're made out to be like these people with superpowers. And I was like, I was all in at 8 years old, you know, but, you know, it's one. It doesn't. It does not have legs.

[B]

Trust me, I didn't think it. Oh, man. And also a big happy birthday to a super huge Kiss fan, MXV for the show. And the big 60 to my friend John Sylvain. Hi, John. So happy birthday, John and mxv.

[C]

Happy birthday. Happy birthday to all of y'. All. All right, well, until next time, I'm Donovan Atkisson.

[B]

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