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Grumpy Old Geeks, a weekly talk show hosted by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFilippo discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the Internet and who's to blame. Welcome to Grumpy Old geeks. I'm Jason DeFilippo.
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And I'm Kara Swisher. Name drop, name drop, name drop. You know, I call them all. I call them and I call them and I tell them they're evil and they're just mean and I don't know. What do you think?
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I'm the dog?
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All right, enough of that.
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How's it going? Yes. After 720 episodes in almost 14 years, we finally caved and turned on the cameras. So maybe. Are you happy now?
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Maybe third time's the charm. We'll see.
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Yeah, maybe. Maybe this will be out. Yeah, I. I figured out the settings problem. I was. I was trying to push 4K video to, you know, that teeny little pipe, and it didn't work.
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So all of that Internet of tubes.
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And you'd think that, you know, oh, I have, you know, bidirectional, gigabit fiber Internet to my house. But no, wasn't enough. Wasn't enough. This morning, just in preparation for this, I was looking at our YouTube account. So. And by the way, everybody go to go to the website, click on the YouTube link, subscribe, because we still need a few people to get over the threshold so we can actually make any money doing that. But we had a ding. We had a ding on our YouTube account. And I'm like, for what? And they made me take a class. And guess what it was for, Brian?
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No idea. We talk a lot of shit.
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We've apparently been peddling medical misinformation. So I had to take a class this morning, YouTube. I had to go to YouTube school this morning, Brian, for 15 minutes and go through seven questions. They give you seven questions and they lay out, is this against our policies or not? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's the fun part. So it's seven questions. They tell you what you got wrong, and all you have to do is hit retry and then click the one that they said. This is the correct answer.
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Okay?
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I'm like, this is pointless. It's absolutely pointless. I did not learn a thing, Brian.
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So how interesting it must have been for our during COVID episodes when we probably read some of the misinformation that was being bandied about online and they cannot parse the fact that we were making fun of said information.
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Yeah, they can't discern tongue in cheek. A tude. So, yeah, so that was my morning spending dodging the raindrops here in Southern California and taking YouTube class. Did not have taking YouTube class on my bingo card today.
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I have a feeling you'll be taking a few more before we're done with this experiment.
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But.
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Yeah, so.
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Yeah, well, our mark goes away in February, so we got to, we got to be nice till February, till this one goes away.
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So. Okay. Okay. Well, I know we're basically whoring ourselves out on camera for the money, but I don't think we need to anymore. I think. Shut it down, Jason.
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Okay.
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Shut it all down. Because I got my Facebook Internet tracking settlement administrator you rolling into dough. Yeah. For some class action lawsuit that we all signed up for like 19 years ago. $4.01.
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That's it.
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That's all I got.
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That's all you're worth, Brian is.
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I'm a little pissed because everybody's getting a lot more money than me.
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Yeah. Our friend Brian Blondell, he got $37.14 and he said he wouldn't have done it had he not listened to the show. And we made him go do it. So now he's going to take free lunch at Loki.
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So how does that benefit me?
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It doesn't. Well, actually, here's the fun part. When you come back to town, if you ever come back to town, Paquito Moss has a new front, has a new competition in town. This, this new restaurant called Loki out here in Woodland Hills. If you're in town, go check them out. They're fucking awesome. Best Mexican in town.
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You know, I gave me my Paquito Moss.
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It's cheaper and better. So.
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All right.
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Yep. So come on down, Brian. Come visit.
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I will make the three hour drive from Anaheim for a burrito.
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It's actually worth it. It's actually it.
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All right, a little bit of follow up here. I think everybody kind of maybe remembers my ire when, when Friday night baseball was taken over by Apple TV and they actually had like real time betting stats on the screen. And I was just like losing my mind because I think it's horrible. It, I, I understand that the sports betting industry is basically keeping sports alive at this point apparently, because, you know, it's everything is, is all about sports betting now. And it, it sickens me to some degree because we have issues with this. There's a lot of people that are addicted to gambling that have lost their life savings. But now it's gone beyond just the fans and this is the inevitable outcome that I saw from this pervasive sports betting prop betting bullshit. So, okay, there's a big scandal going on right now in baseball. Tens of thousands of fans have watched MLB games that turned out to be partially fixed. This is like Pete Rose level fixing here. No, it was probably worse, actually, because Pete Rose swears to God that he never threw a game. There are two pitchers, Emmanuel Class and Luis Ortiz of the Cleveland Guardians, that have been indicted for rigging games. They deliberately threw pitches out of the strike zone because of prop bets placed by gamblers. So seriously, you can bet on. Will the first pitch be a strike or a ball? People reached out to these pitchers.
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Oh, man.
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People went to these pitchers and said, I need you to throw a ball. That changes the dynamic of the at bat. That changes the dynamic of the whole game. Yeah, everything.
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Everything. Yeah.
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So Class did this in at least nine games across three seasons, helping betters win over $400,000. Ortiz participated in at least two games in 2025, personally earning about $12,000. Unbelievable. Like, and they're getting caught. Thank God. So sportsbooks detected suspicious betting patterns, which has triggered the investigation. And yeah, this is mlb' been very limited. They've placed small caps on micro bets. But experts warn every pitch affects the integrity of the game, as it does if you're a baseball fan. This is. Get gambling out of sports.
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Oh, dude, come on. Gambling is never going to be out of sports. That's why sports exists.
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Well, save it for Vegas or. Or at least get rid of these prop bets. These prop bets are ridiculous. Bet on the outcome of the game. Fine. Dodgers win. Okay. You can bet on that. Betting on balls and strikes per pitch and all this crap that they do. They're ruining the game. God damn it.
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Well, what are you going to do, Brian?
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Well, I'm going to. I'm going to call them. I'm going to give them a piece of my mind. That's. That's what I'm going to do, Jason.
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Okay. Thank you, Brian Swisher. Appreciate it. Oh, man. I don't know about you, but since I did for the past two months, I have been taking a massive break from social media. Like, period. Even blue sky depresses the out of me now, which is saying something because that's like, the only place that I had left.
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Yeah, I mean, I. I'm kind of with you there. I don't really update much anymore or anything. I. I occasionally will doom scroll, but that's about it.
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Yeah, I'll doom scroll Instagram for a little bit at Night just because it's there, you know? And so people send me stuff and they're like, hey, I sent you some things on Instagram. I'm like, well, that's probably the last place you should probably actually send me anything that you want me to see in a timely manner. 8000 different methods to get a hold of me. That's the one you pick. That is the one that I'm never going to check. But I have to tell you, man, I, I feel better. I, I like can handle the day better. I don't have that, that doom cloud over my head all the time like my roommate does because she's on, on that all day long. And I'm like, huh, There really is something to be said for just getting the away from it. Even like I said, blue sky, which I liked because it was all scientists and even the scientists are hating life now. So it's like, ah. But I think this is going to tie in a little bit with some of our next stories. So I got to say it's, it's been a good thing in the news.
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Well, speaking of getting off social media, arguably we have fully formed brains already. Jason, speak for yourself. Arguably somewhat dented and damaged due to indiscretions of our youth and adulthood. But yes, a little pickle, A little pickle there. But there's no doubt that, that social media is bad for, for the utes of today, the kids, and it's, it's messing around with them. And I know there's a lot of naysayers. You know, I, I, I have a love hate relationship with Bob. Bob left this and his.
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Oh, you still read that guy?
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Yeah, I just, I'm too lazy to ever unsubscribe and then one comes in and then I get really angry about.
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It and then I'm Madden too lazy to unsubscribe. That's how we got Trump. So come on.
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Hey, that's, that's also how we get a lot of our Patreon money every week.
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Sh.
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Don't tell them how the sausage is made.
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Yeah, exactly. But you, he'll always go off about like, well, you can't turn back time and people that aren't online are dead and you're just, you're just being left behind. I'm like, yeah, except for all the studies that say it's really bad for you. So there's that.
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It's like, hey, hey man, if you're not smoking, you're not cool. You're not one of the cool kids. You're going to be left behind because you're not smoking. Oh, yeah, But I'm also not going to be dead. So.
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So there's. Yeah, there's that. There's that part of it. Anyways. Denmark is set to do something about it. The government of Denmark said on Friday that lawmakers from its political left, right and center have reached an agreement to ban social media for anyone under 15. If enacted, the move will be one of the most ambitious attempts globally to keep children off social media. The country's Digitalization Ministry would set the minimum of age at 15 for certain social media platforms. It has not clarified which ones should be affected yet, but I can give them a list if they'd like.
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Yeah, if they'd like, we could help.
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The government also do not share specifics on how enforcement would work. And that's the real issue, of course.
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Yeah.
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Statement from the Digitalization Ministry reads in part, children and young people have their sleep disrupted, lose their peace and concentration and experience increasing pressure from digital relationships where adults are not always present. So this is a good thing. I hope that they do it. I'm interested to see the methodology that they're going to use in December. Very coming up very quickly, the world's first countrywide social media ban for children will go into effect in Australia, banning children under 16 from major social media platforms. So they will have to employ age verification technology and would face fines if they fail to enforce the nation's age limits. So again, we just don't entirely know how they're going to do it in the UK and Italy. We know now that anybody wanting to watch porn online must upload a selfie of them winking off. Oh wait, no, that's Donald Trump. Or provide ID to verify that they are above age limits. So yeah, there's, there's data safety issues here, there's privacy issues here, but we got to come up with something and I think maybe later on in the show we might have at least an Apple based answer to that, but we'll get to that later. So good for it, Go for it. Let's see what happens. I'm all behind this. I think it's a really good thing to do. And I believe you have another study come that you're about to talk about that proves that yes, this is a good thing we should be doing.
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That's right. Because schools across the US and abroad are cracking down on student phone use and the results are basically the plot of Footloose for Gen Z. New York State rolled out a phone. Quit dancing.
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I'VE got foot now. It's like that's all I'm going to hear in my head all week, all day. Thanks.
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You're welcome.
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Footloose. Kenny Loggins gonna get a bump on Spotify.
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New York State rolled out a phone ban this spring, and suddenly kids are actually talking to each other again. Go figure. Lunchrooms that once sounded like morgues are now loud enough to make teachers nostalgic for AirPods. Students told Gothamist they're forming real friendships. Embrace yourself, Brian. Passing handwritten notes and taking Polaroids instead of selfies. Oh, God, I don't want to see those Polaroids. No, no, no, Dickies. Polaroids.
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I know somebody who does. Judging from news.
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Zing. Teachers, meanwhile, are thrilled. A survey from New York State United teachers found that 89% say the bands improved school environment, 76% saw more class participation, and 77% noticed better social interaction. So, of course, not everyone's thrilled. Some parents worry about emergencies, and a few students say the bands show a lack of trust. Yeah, because you can't be trusted because you're a fucking kid.
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A deserved lack of trust. Yes.
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Yeah, exactly. An earned lack of trust, one might say. But one kid summed it up. Best quote. Now when we get computers, I actually have to do deep research instead of going straight to AI. Imagine that, Brian. Kids rediscovering conversation, curiosity and noise. Turns out, reality doesn't need a screen to buffer. So here's the thing. Parents are worried about emergencies. Most of the emergencies. Parents are worried about school shootings. What do school shootings come out of? Kids not talking to each other. So kids talking to each other again. Maybe we'll cut down on some school shootings because they got their phones taken away. Time will tell. But, hey, it's just a theory.
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Just a theory. That's a good one, though, I think. I think this is great. I think it's a great idea. I think banning. Obviously, you should be banning phones in schools. You can. There are millions of solutions. I've been to countless concerts now where I have to put my phone in a bag that is kept to the side and put your phone in the lock bag in the back of the room or put it in your desk. You can have it with you in case there's an emergency, but you just can't get it out during the day. There's nothing wrong with that. It's fine. They can figure this out. Sort it out, people. All right, moving on from the use, the head of the Cybertruck program has quit Tesla and the Model Y leader left hours later. Okay, good times over at Tesla. Tesla. If we assume for a moment that Tesla's recent sales declines are entirely due to faulty management specifically caused by people with the job title program manager, then Tesla is well on its way to massive improvements. The cybertruck program manager, who also managed the Model 3, just exited the company, followed hours later by the Model Y program manager. In the third quarter of this year, Tesla sold 5,385 cybertrucks, a 63% drop from the same point last year. According to an October story in Electric Musk's company, SpaceX and Xai are buying up all the excess cybertruck inventory. I mean, it's a shell game over there, isn't it?
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It is.
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We're just moving money and materials around from his various companies to different companies.
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Companies, yeah.
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Reuters story also notes that several senior program managers have left Tesla over the past year. One led the Model S and Model X programs. So lots of turnover over at Tesla.
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All right, all right. I wonder where they're going.
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Waymo, maybe. Waymo is bringing its driverless cars to freeways in three major US Cities in the surrounding environments. These areas include San Francisco, Phoenix, and Los Angeles.
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Great.
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You know what, though? Look, freeway driving is way less complicated than actual streets, so I actually think they probably should have started on freeways. You drive straight.
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We'll see.
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And that's it.
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We'll see.
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The platform didn't say how many of these vehicles have been greenlit to take to the freeway, other than noting that a growing number of public riders will be given access. The very least, families will be able to play a new road trip game in which they point out cars with weird spinning lidar units on their roof. This is just the beginning of the freeway expansion, assuming everything goes well in early phases. To that end, the platform says its vehicles have already logged millions of miles on freeways and that they are adept at skillfully handling highway dynamics. They note that they're planning something similar for Austin, Atlanta and other unannounced regions. And they're also bringing their driverless cars to San Diego, Detroit, and Vegas next year. But those won't be going on freeways just yet.
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Okay, well, we know how dog eat dog it is here in LA on the freeways, so I'll be interested to see if people start fucking with them, because I certainly will.
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Yeah, LA freeways are a completely different beast. It's basically driving on the road because it's stop and go anyways. It's not.
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Yeah, yeah. Most of the time, it's either. It's either stop and go or your bumper to bumper going 800 miles an hour.
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That's true. Well, Apple is rolling out a new feature that lets users store their US Passports in the official Wallet app. This will allow travelers to present this digital ID as a valid form of identification at TSA checkout lines at airports. In other words, folks with a passport who have yet to upgrade to a driver's license with a real ID will be able to board a plane without bringing a physical copy of that passport to the airport. They would also be stupid not to bring a physical copy of their passport to the airport at this point because as they point out, it's not everywhere. So you don't know if your airport's going to actually take your Apple ID or not at that point. So bring it with you.
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Or even if you have it and your plane gets rerouted because I don't know, there's no flight traffic controllers right now. So who knows? Might end up in Poughkeepsie, and Poughkeepsie might not have the technology yet.
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Yes, this ID will be visible on both iPhones and the Apple Watch. And Apple says the service is being implemented at TSA checkpoints across more than 250 US based airports. It's only for use on domestic flights. If you're planning to travel internationally, you'll still need a physical passport. Not all TSA readers have been implemented with this technology to scan digital IDs just yet, so you better, you know, bring them both along. The company also plans to expand this feature beyond air travel. Apple says businesses will eventually be able to accept these IDs for the purpose of age verification. The digital ID feature was first announced as part of iOS 26 and also adds passports to the list of existing government IDs supported in Apple Wallet. Now, to tie this back into our opening stories, Jason, what better way to verify your age online?
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There you go.
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Apple already does. You know, traceless and contactless email addresses. You put this into your wallet. You have to click the little button and do your little, do your thumb scan or whatever to prove your age. It goes into the wallet, it goes boom. This is the person's age sends a digitalized token to the website.
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Bob's your uncle, all right, until you borrow mom and dad's iPhone and use that for age verification.
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But don't ruin my awesome idea, Jason. There's always a way around everything. Look, I remember in college, because we are old, taking my California driver's ID and doing A little piece of chalk over my birthday ear and then taking a little pencil and drawing in a different ear and then putting it in the little thing and going up to bars. There's always a way around everything.
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So of course there is. If you're clever enough, then you should get full access to the porn. That's the way it works.
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We will find a way.
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Well, a new Wall street journal report says OpenAI could lose $74 billion in 2028. That's 74 billion with a B in 2028. That's the same year Anthropic is expected to actually break even. So that comes from leaked internal documents. OpenAI has committed over 1/8 trillion over the next eight years to expand its data center and chip infrastructure. Now, while OpenAI says it has about 1 million enterprise subscribers and more than 7 million total chat GPT for work users, its profit margins are reportedly far lower than Anthropic's. Anthropic, valued at nearly $200 billion. Jesus has over 300,000 corporate clients, thanks to mostly to Deloitte after they signed on with about 80% of its revenue coming from business subscriptions. So despite its financial losses, OpenAI is continuing to spend aggressively, especially on models like Sora 2, its video generator, which reportedly costs around. Wait for it, Brian, $15 million a day to operate.
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15 million videos.
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That's it. The new thing is fat shaming. That's the new thing that Sora 2 has been dinged for this week is it's apparently very easy to make fat shaming videos on there. So I'm glad they're spending $15 million a day helping, you know, you know, feed the homeless, you know, things like that. So, yeah, that's great.
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$15 million a day for just recreating Shallow Hal.
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Yeah, that's it, all right.
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Awesome. Well, they're not the only people that are crashing and burning with this stuff. Much of the American economy is currently being propped up, and some may argue artificially, by the massive amounts of investments being made into AI projects, largely by hyperscalers. Few firms have made a bigger public to do about their AI spending than Meta, whose CEO very publicly committed to pouring billions of dollars into AI infrastructure in front of the President of the United States. We all remember that one.
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Oh, yeah, that's a fun one.
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Why, of all the magnificent seven big tech stocks that seem to have achieved line only goes up status, has Meta, arguably the hyperest of the hyperscalers, seen most of its stock gains for the year wiped out in recent days? Well, that may lie in the company's super intelligence lab, which has not been super intelligent and has undergone expensive change after expensive change since Meta's pseudo acquisition of Scale AI in June. This $14 billion investment that brought Scale CEO Alexander Wang under Meta's umbrella was followed by the company handing out multi million dollar contracts to bring in top talent. We've talked about this. The company's deal for the world's best AI researchers reportedly included giving out over 100 million per year multi year commitments that would get recipients over a quarter of the way to billionaire status. And then they started to get rid of them or they left or they got fired or they got shuffled around. And all of this is while they have released their Llama 4, which was underperforming expectations and had its release delayed. They've also released Vibes, a feed filled with AI slop before OpenAI's massive Sora 2 app flooded the Internet. But it's yet to garner even a fraction of the hype.
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I forgot about Vibes. Yeah, that thing is that kind of crashed and burned real quick.
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Yeah, it's there's an irony to the fact that Meta is probably the company best equipped to monetize its AI projects and it simply can't seem to do it. They say that that's a bit of self inflicted harm by Zuckerberg, who probably said misspending billions isn't a big deal. If we end up misspending a couple hundred billion dollars, I think that is going to be very unfortunate, obviously, he said on the Access podcast. But what I'd say is I actually think the risk is higher on the other side.
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I don't get the logic. I just don't get the logic.
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It's called doubling down, Jason. There's no logic to it. It's like I'm in this hole so deep already I'm just going to keep digging and hopefully I'll end up in China.
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The thing is, it's like, does anybody remember the Metaverse now? So maybe this is just so people forget about the fact that he couldn't make pants for his avatars for how many years or less the article goes.
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On to talk about. There's also a history of going all in on projects that don't pay off. The company went so all in on the idea of the Metaverse that it changed its name, yet it has reportedly lost nearly $100 billion chasing a virtual reality dream that was dead on arrival.
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Well, but we got sunglasses out of it. That's it. We got sunglasses that perverts have figured out how to mod. That's. That's what we got out of it. So. Great.
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So it's all. Things are not going very well over there. And as we talked about just the other week, they're legitimate. Well, theoretically, legitimately, money making businesses are under scrutiny now too. Earlier this month, Reuters got hold of internal documents from the company that showed it projected as much as 10% of its revenue was coming from advertisements for scams and banned goods.
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Yeah, so that. Yeah.
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Yep. All is not well over at Meta, so we'll see. And investors are getting a bit antsy. That's. That's what we're hearing.
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Well, since they're not well, Mark and Priscilla have come to the rescue. Brian. They are officially betting that AI can cure all disease. The Chan Zuckerberg initiative is merging its science programs under a new Biohub banner and absorbing a 50 person AI lab called evolutionary Scale to speed up biological research. The company's big vision is to use AI to build digital models of cells and molecules, basically a sim life for scientists to unlock faster medical breakthroughs. At a launch event, Zuckerberg said advances in AI could make their dream of curing or preventing all diseases much sooner than expected. I. Okay, maybe it'll make up some new diseases that it can cure, you know? Chan, a former pediatrician said the goal isn't to tackle one illness, but to, quote, make every scientist better. End quote. I wonder how that's going to work out.
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It's not.
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It's not, no. But a couple scientists are going to get a couple hundred billion dollars. So go for it, man.
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Good.
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Take the payday where you can get it.
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That's right.
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Dude, if I could get a science degree and go get some of that money, I'd do it right now.
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Well, just, just play one on the Internet, Jason. That's what a lot of people are doing now. They don't actually have the pedigrees.
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No. Amen. What was it Travis Kalanick said he almost discovered a new form of physics thanks to Chad GPT. So maybe I should just get on that.
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Yeah. Yeah, sure. Why not?
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Yeah. Well, in today's continuing episode of what Could Possibly Go Wrong, a secretive startup called Preventive, funded by tech billionaires including Coinbase's Brian Armstrong and OpenAI's Sam Altman, is reportedly trying to gene hack a human baby. Yep. They're aiming for the first genetically modified birth outside of China.
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Here's Dudes do go to a lot of effort when they're not getting laid.
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I'm telling you, I'm telling you. Sam's married. Sam's married to another dude. So. Yeah, he's getting some.
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He's married. Yeah, he's not getting any.
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Yeah, here's. Here's the problem with all of this. Germline gene editing, which alters sperm, eggs or embryos, is banned in the United States for federally funded research. But private money gets a loophole. So Preventatives allegedly doing its experiments offshore, claiming it's all in the name of curing hereditary disease.
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Okay, if I take my money and.
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I put it offshore, is it still money?
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The IRS has a problem with that because I'm a US citizen, but I guess they can do whatever they want.
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Because they can do whatever they want.
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It's fine. Yep, it's all fine. I'm sure it's going to be fine.
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Well, if it sounds familiar, it's because a Chinese scientist pulled a similar stunt back in 2018 and made CRISPR edited twins and promptly got jailed and exiled.
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From science forever until the, the Zuckerberg Chan initiative picked him up for the.
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Picked him up. Yeah, and then they just shuffled him out the back door over to Preventive and you know, it's all, it's all. It's a shuffle game. So experts have called for a decade long moratorium citing massive ethical health and well, don't create super baby concerns. Gone. So we have, we have precedent for the super babies. Oh, the Nazis tried this shit too, don't forget. So there are other companies too. It's not just Preventative. Other startups like Herasite and Nucleus are also selling embryo intelligence predictions and gene screening packages for the low, low price of ten grand. Herasite is way too close to heresy in my book. Sam Altman is really giving Elon a run for his money in the ultra villain category, you know? Yeah, he really is. Speaking of Sam, though, this might tie into your other age verification issue. Sam Altman's eyeball scanning fever dream, now called World, previously called Orb, is apparently having trouble taking over the planet one iris at a time. According to Business Insider, the company has only scanned about 17.5 million people, roughly 2% of its goal of 1 billion. That's still 17.5 million more people than anyone expected to volunteer. So world of project of Altman's tools for humanity. He is a tool, but I don't know if he's doing it for humanity. Turns your iris into unique digital code used for ID verification and payments through its crypto token, worldcoin. So the pitch is that it'll help prove who's human in an Internet swamped by AI bots. Which is kind of ironic since he's the guy that created OpenAI. Now, the interesting thing here is that privacy watchdogs were initially horrified, as we were too, when people started scanning their eyeballs. But security systems experts say that the encryption is surprisingly solid. For a creepy fucking product, it's pretty good. So regulators, yeah, regulators aren't thrilled about the whole give us your eyeball things. But here's where it gets interesting. World's reportedly cutting deals with Tinder, Stripe and Visa to offer identity verification. So. But unless they invent an app that scans your eyeballs remotely, what's the point? You know, you still need an orb. Not everybody's going to have an orb in their home. Just look at the Facebook's does my ass look fat Fat camera, you know. Or does this make my ass look fat camera that they tried to sell.
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B
It's only going to be Saruman on Tinder.
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A
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B
Well, I love this story. Earlier this week, a critical vulnerability in the decentralized finance protocol Balancer was exploited with crypto losses estimated to be worth $120 million or more. That's just, you know, par for the course. It's just another day that ends in y that some defi thing is get has. Has had losses and got. Got scammed or whatever. But it's how this one worked because it is based on. On office space.
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A
Oh, no.
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B
Hopefully intentionally. They basically just took tiny, tiny little fractions of a crypto token every single time it was exchanged and deposited it into a little account and stole all the money.
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A
Wasn't this the Richard Pryor Superman movie plot as well?
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B
Was it really? Yeah, I think I blocked that one from my mind.
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A
They actually, I think they. I think they name check that in Office Space.
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B
Okay.
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A
This is basically the Superman plot.
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B
All right, we got to go back even further. So anyways, I just love it. I just love that somebody actually went out there and did this. And I hope they beat the crap out of a few printers while they were at it.
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A
Exactly.
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B
Well, Coinbase wants to bring back something that ended in disaster. They've announced the upcoming launch of a new token sales platform that will allow U.S. retail investors to participate in ICO's initial coin offerings for the first time since the token sale hysteria of 2017 and 2018, which eventually ended in disaster for many crypto speculators. Yes, ICOs never went well. People lost tons and tons of money. But it's back.
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A
Great. Next week. NFTs.
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B
Yeah. So we'll see what happens. But, I mean, the article just goes on and on about how this is just. It's just fraud. It's going to be nothing but fraud, fraud, fraud and more fraud. And now we're going to bring back fraud. But they're really going to take a good look at it this time and we're going to be careful.
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A
How are you going to be careful?
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B
I don't know. They don't actually tell you that. Jason they just say, trust us.
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A
Trust us. That's right. Fun. Well, Speaking of trust, seven more families just sued OpenAI, arguing the company rushed GPT4O to market without real safeguards.
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B
That's a feature, not a bug.
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A
It is. It is. Four suits alleged ChatGPT played a role in loved ones suicides. Three more say it reinforced dangerous delusions that led to psychiatric care. One case centers on 23 year old Zane Shamblin, who chatted with Chat GPT for over four hours, repeatedly said he'd written suicide notes, had a loaded gun and gave a running countdown. The chatbot allegedly replied, rest easy, King, you did good.
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B
Christ.
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A
The filing say open I. OpenAI prioritized beating rivals to launch and point to a known 4o flaw being being excessively agreeable, especially over long conversations. And we've had the conversation about the long convers. OpenAI's own post admits its guardrails work best in short exchanges and can degrade over time. The company knows that it has a problem with long conversations. It is in control of how long the conversations can be. So theoretically, it is all their fault.
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B
The bar knows how much you've drank. They know if you drink too much, it can be really, really problematic. What do the bartenders do? They cut you off and send you home and call you an Uber? It's a very simple process that has been going on for years and years and years. Couldn't figure this part out.
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A
Yeah, because the bar, the bar owners found out that if the bartenders don't do that, the bar owners are liable and can get sued.
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B
Regulations.
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A
Oh, that. Well, okay, well, let's talk about regulations for a second here. A new Republican backed bill could slash the US Broadband expansion effort in half. Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa is floating legislation that would redirect roughly $21 billion from the $42 billion broadband equity access and deployment program straight into the U.S. treasury for deficit reduction. Didn't we have this whole group of mad scientist coders led by Elon Musk at the beginning of this year? Their entire, you know, their raison d' etre was deficit reduction. I think we called them Doge. Correct. Am I, am I right about this?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Did, did they not reduce the deficit enough that we have to now take broadband from, you know, underprivileged people somewhere? No.
- [37:49]
B
We've got to take a beat up our ass.
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A
Ah. So the, the money was supposed to fund high speed Internet for rural and underserved communities, but the Trump administration's recent overhaul of the program already forced States to rewrite their plans, cutting spending and shifting focus from fiber to satellite. So I think she misread this.
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B
Who provides satellite Internet access?
- [38:10]
A
I wonder, I wonder where we could get that from. I don't know.
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B
It's a mystery.
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A
Yeah, I don't know. Let's, let's, let's put a committee together and figure that one out. And I think she misread underserved as undeserved and got that Republican right wing conservative itch up her ass and said, oh, oh, oh, we, we must get rid of them now. So let's just take their Internet. Yeah, so.
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B
Okay.
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A
Christ. Well, another, another poor, poor Elon. Bit of news here. Physicists say they finally crushed the we're living in a simulation theory for good. So sorry, Elon. A new paper from researchers at the University of British Columbia argues that the fundamental nature of reality simply can't be simulated on any computer.
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B
Respectfully, I've taken a shit ton of ketamine and I disagree.
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A
And I'm talking to my horse a lot. Using mathematical proofs, they showed that reality isn't algorithmic, meaning it can't be reduced to code like a video game or the Matrix. The team cites Godel's incompleteness theorems to claim that some truths are beyond computation, making a true simulation of the universe impossible. So, Brian, we're real. Deal with it.
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B
I'm going to get stoned later and figure this out. Don't worry.
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A
Okay? Please do. Please do. Now I just want to round out the Elon jabberee this week because 87 year old novelist Joyce Carol Oates.
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B
This is the only reason I enjoyed being on the Internet this week.
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A
This is all it was about. She just took him to T. I'm just going to read her tweet because it's all that needs to be said. She says quote, so curious that such a wealthy man never posts anything that indicates that he enjoys or is even aware of what virtually everyone appreciates. Scenes from nature, pet dog or cat. Praise for a movie, music, a book, but doubt that he reads. Pride in a friend's or relative's accomplishment. Condolences for someone who has died. Pleasure in sports, Acclaim for a favorite team, references to history. In fact, he seems totally uneducated, uncultured. The poorest persons on Twitter may have access to more beauty and meaning in life than the most wealthy person in the world. Mic drop.
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B
Yep. Good on her. He did not like that.
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A
No, he did not. Media candy.
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B
Well, the kids movie train keeps rolling. Jason, my kid got invited to a Birthday party next week. That will be for Zootopia 2. And we had never seen Zootopia 1, so we had to fire that one up and watch it with the kid over the weekend. Surprisingly delightful movie. I don't know how this one skipped my radar completely, but. Well, it did come out right before he was born, so that's probably why.
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A
But no, I thought there was a Zootopia movie that you talked about. Like something with the farm animals and the aliens that came, wasn't it?
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B
That was a completely different thing. That was almost a pseudo like kids horror movie. Okay. This is just a, you know, a Disney. Disney standard, Disney fair, but got it. Delightful. All right. Enjoyable. Very funny. I liked it.
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A
Okay, Brian, standard approval.
- [41:25]
B
The wife and I finished the Diplomat.
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A
What did you think?
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B
I enjoyed it. I'm very happy. I'm looking forward to the next season. And hopefully they will only spend another year or two before it comes out. Not. Not five years, but yeah, I like. I liked it. It's a great show. The casting's great. I mean, you can't. If you're gonna add anybody to your show, you add them. You add Allison, Janie, and you add Josh Lyman. I can never remember his room.
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A
I can't remember his name either.
- [41:51]
B
So. Yeah, it was great. That was fantastic. What a show. It's a great show.
- [41:54]
A
Yep. Yeah, I totally thought they landed it. Especially the last couple scenes were just like, oh, dear. Can't wait. So I finished the first two episodes of Pluribus. Did you get a chance to check it out?
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B
I have not. And I'll explain why in a minute.
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A
Okay. Love it so far. Love it. And the funny thing is, apparently you don't have to have a lot of audience to have a hit on Apple TV.
- [42:19]
B
Plus five people watch. It's a hit.
- [42:23]
A
Yeah. 1.5 million people tuned in for Pluribus.
- [42:26]
B
Okay.
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A
That. To put that in perspective, only 2.2 million people tuned in for the original premiere of Severance. So it did worse than Severance, even though it was directed and created by Vince Gilligan, which is interesting. So I think it just comes down to the fact that nobody has Apple tv.
- [42:44]
B
It's such a fractured media landscape. It's so hard to hear about anything and for things to bubble up. It's a completely different world than when Breaking Bad launched.
- [42:53]
A
Oh, yeah. And to be honest, this is a very niche sci fi type of show that I'm absolutely loving. So the new one drops today, so I'll be checking it out. And I'm gonna stick with it. Because I think it's a very interesting premise for sure. So I'm not going to spoil it until you get a chance to watch it.
- [43:10]
B
Yeah, I have not watched it yet because it is something that my wife has decided that she wants to watch, so. Oh, no, we have very limited screen time to be able to get these things in. I guarantee you, once she actually clocks to the plot, she's going to be out.
- [43:24]
A
But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just make her watch five minutes of it and then you're done.
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B
You're good. I will get to it before next week's show for sure, because we got sidelined by the show that my wife actually did want to watch, which is Victoria Beckham. It's her new documentary on Netflix, which is basically there to promote her very not doing well and being propped up by David Beckham's money fashion line. So, okay, she's coming out with all that stuff. The David Beckham documentary was great and it was hilarious and it was. This is basically that with all the life sucked out of it and joy and humor. This is the Elon Musk version, according to, you know, if you, if you want to just be miserable in life, this is the one that you want to watch. And thank God it's three parts as opposed to just the one part for the David Beckham documentary that was actually good. So I had to sat through three nights of this.
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A
Well, then you deserve Pluribus. So tell her to get on it so you can get back to it. You're a good husband, Brian. You're a good husband.
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B
I know. It's, it's, it's. It's. It's my cross to bear. Also on YouTube, Lush, a far from home movie, is out. This is, I don't. It's hard to. It's. It's not a documentary in any way, shape or form. It's just, it's the, the. The bass player for Lush carried around a camera with them when they were on tour. Now that Lush is very, very much over. He edited it, put together this 30 minute piece to some of their music. It's basically kind of a. The drummer, Chris Ackland tragically committed suicide, which is when the band ended. And this is kind of a lot of. This is footage of him and it's just done very well. This has been out for a while. A couple of the members of the band have like toured around and talked about it and shown it and it was on the Criterion Channel only for a long time. But now that that has ended. So it's up on YouTube now for everyone to watch. If. If you liked Lush, it was really nice hearing a lot of these old songs again and just seeing this footage and then going, oh, my God, we're all so old now. This is all from the early 90s, you know what I mean?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, and it's a lot of places that I've been in my life. There's la, there's San Francisco, there's different places all over the world. So it was great, like just seeing them there and how young they were. And you see all the cars in the background and go. I didn't remember cars looking that old back in the 90s.
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A
They didn't.
- [45:42]
B
Man, those cars look old. What is this, 1950? So, yeah, it was a fun little watch. And it's available for everybody now. So if you're a fan of the band, sit there and let it play for 30 minutes.
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A
All right, I will check that out. I did like that band quite a bit. I've been keeping up with welcome to Derry. Have you? No.
- [46:03]
B
Horror is hard for me in my household.
- [46:05]
A
That's what you said before. I didn't know if you're gonna try and sneak one in or not.
- [46:08]
B
I haven't had time. I do want to sneak it in. I've not even seen the two IT movie remakes, so I've got.
- [46:13]
A
You don't have to see those for this. So this is standalone.
- [46:16]
B
Yeah.
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A
But unfortunately they changed up directors for this latest episode and it was not nearly as good as. The overuse of CGI was really disconcerting and they did some really goofy shit with the kids. So from. Yeah, it was a total like, as the kid would say, vibe switch up. So. And it did remind us. There's a scene with these ghosts chasing kids through a graveyard and it really reminded me of. Oh, what was that movie with Michael J. Fox? I can't believe I'm spacing on the name right now. It was the Frighteners. The Frighteners, directed by Peter Jackson. Fantastic movie. If you've never seen the Frighteners, go back and check that out. That scene just made me want to go watch the Frighteners instead of watching welcome to Derry. So we'll see if it picks back up. But yeah. And just a little wrap up announcement. The Celebrity Traders ended the. The UK Celebrity Traders. Brian, you would have loved it. It was a fantastic. It was the best ending of a Traders so far. It was so good. So good. They did announce season two. 15 million people tuned in for the Traders UK. So that's 10 pluribi. Believe it or not. Traders Canada season three is well underway right now. Loving that too. Sorry, yeah, you're not gonna check it out, but it was really good so far. And I've been watching Destination X, the UK version. There was a US version that came out this summer with. It was hosted by Jeffrey Dean Morgan for the US version. And he's really cool in that. I mean, he's just a smooth guy. He really has Bourdain vibes, that's all. He's totally got Bourdain vibes. And he was great in the Walking Dead. I didn't see all of his seasons, but I got the email this week that the Walking Dead memorabilia went up for sale on that auction site that always has the Star wars stuff. They wouldn't give me the prices, so I actually had to sign up for it. Now I get emails every day of all the cool that I can't afford to buy, which is really cool. Bumming me out. But anybody that watched the Walking Dead, Lucille. Jeffrey Dean Morgan's bat with the barbed wire, the actual prop. Yeah, that. That sold for a hundred thousand dollars at auction last week, which was not bad. Not bad.
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B
That's was a lot.
- [48:32]
A
Yeah. I think the Walking Dead still probably has like what, 37 seasons and like four spin offs still going. I gave up so long ago. So long ago. But this one has me. This one has me kind of excited. V for Vendetta is becoming a TV show. So I love the movie. And this is DC Studios and they fucking killed it with the penguin. You know, they killed it with the penguin. So I am, I am optimistic. I am. I'm hopefully optimistic for this one. So let's, let's hope it works out.
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B
It's a great story.
- [49:02]
A
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a fantastic story. The comics pretty much match the movie, so it was really good. I always watch it on the 5th of November, so I just watched it again recently. So this made me happy when it came out. It's also my stepmom's birthday, so that's how I remember. It's like, oh, I got to send the Amazon gift card. Dune Prophecy. They're in production for season two. So I, I liked it.
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B
I liked it. It was fine.
- [49:24]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're saying it's going to come out Sometime in late 2026, right around the same time Dune Part 3, the movie comes out, which makes sense. Piggyback on those.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Alien Earth has been renewed for season two. So we'll see that in five years maybe when that comes out. I loved Alien Earth. I'm very happy that they're doing another one. Unfortunately, Poker Face was canceled. Poker Face was on Peacock. Fantastic show, fantastic show. But Natasha Leone is out. Now. Rianne Johnson is going to try and sell the show to another network. And if he does, he's going to bring in a new star, which is Peter Dinklage, which will be an interesting change up.
- [50:07]
B
I can't think of two people so vastly different.
- [50:10]
A
I know. Well, they're saying it's going to be like a Doctor who kind of thing. Like, you know, it's the same type of character. And Natasha Leone's an executive producer on, I think her studio is, or like her production company is, who creates the show. So she's in on it and, you know, she's fine with, with I guess, stepping back and letting somebody else take the lead if they can get the show. Keep to keep going. I love that show. I thought it was so good. I thought it was so good. I don't know if you know this, but the Running Man, Edgar Wright's new movie comes out today, I believe. I think it's today. The new. The final trailer's out. Did you get a chance to check it out?
- [50:45]
B
I did. I'm struggling to be interested. I have to. I'm not gonna lie.
- [50:51]
A
I'm struggling to figure out if I ever want to pay $17 to go to a movie theater again and see something. But I want to watch this movie. I love Edgar Wright, you know. Yeah, I was just actually watching was Scott Pilgrim last night.
- [51:05]
B
That's a great movie.
- [51:05]
A
It was a fantastic movie. I had forgotten that was Edgar Wright. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, this is so Edgar Wright. Everything about this is Edgar Wright. So it was. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. So definitely check it out.
- [51:18]
B
We got a teaser trailer for Toy Story 5. This is the second one. This won't be out until June 19 next year. Initially I was like, how can they possibly be doing another Toy Story? They did enough. They ended him perfectly twice. But we're doing another one. Okay. Why? And then now that I know what the conceit is. Oh, yeah.
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A
Oh, the reveal was it. It was all about the reveal.
- [51:39]
B
It's all about the reveal. It is the toys against technology. And I cannot wait to see what they do do with this. I think it's so good.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That's what my first thinking. I'm like, okay, it's a 49 second trailer. I gotta get on the show in five minutes. Do I have time to watch this? Yeah, let's just check it out. And at the end I'm like, oh, yeah, that's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. Yeah. What's not great is Paramount plus has just decided to charge more money. So starting January 15th, the ad supported essentials plan jumps from 7.99 to 8.99amonth, while the ad free premium tier rises from 12.99 to 13.99. Annual plans are going up to for essential and 139.99 for premium. And here's the thing. The company blames the hike partly on its $7.7 billion deal to bring the UFC to the platform next year. So I don't care about ufc. I care about Star Trek. So just going to cancel anyway and wait for the next season of Brave New Worlds.
- [52:35]
B
That's it. It's basically, I'm just going to start. This is. Paramount is on the chopping block. I'm just going to take it off when there's no Star Trek and then put it back on when there's Star Trek, and that's that. That. So that's the only thing I'm there for. What I don't understand about this is they. They have the technology to be able to do upsells within these platforms, within these apps. Why are you distributing UFC costs to everybody when it's only a fraction of the people that are into ufc? People that are in the UFC are used to paying pay per view. Buy the rights to it, and then just make it a 39.99 per event upsell within the app. And don't fucking hit us with this console.
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A
Yeah, they saw how much money ESPN made with those carrier charges over the years, and they're like, oh, we can try that, you know?
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B
Yeah.
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A
So, yeah, it's dumb. It's actually dumb. Actually, what Paramount would be smart to do is just create a Star Trek channel and just sell that.
- [53:27]
B
Yeah, sell me a Star Trek subscription that is nothing but Star Trek and I'm all in.
- [53:33]
A
Although I think you could just go on like Pluto TV or one of those free channels and watch Next Generation and Deep Space Nine and all those shows on a loop, you know?
- [53:42]
B
Yeah. My wife asked me what Pluto was and I brought it up. And then I saw the Star Trek things and I was like, oh, I should put this on my. I'm going to download this onto my Apple tv.
- [53:50]
A
Yeah, just put it on in the background. It's Great.
- [53:52]
B
Yeah. It's better than listening to news.
- [53:54]
A
Yeah, yeah. But the Top Gear channel is pretty good too. You can watch all the old classics.
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B
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Thanks.
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A
Apps and doodads.
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B
Well, we did have another iOS update. 26.1 is out now and a couple tweaks worth trying out. There's some links in the show notes how to adjust the liquid glass effect in iOS 26.1. So now that there's. There's a couple different things, a couple different levers you can pull to kind of figure out what you want it to look like. And the one I really did like because, you know, the eyes are going. And I don't always wear my glasses. In fact, I never wear my glasses unless I'm reading, but sometimes I want to know what fucking time it is and I can't read on my phone. The time. You can now stretch the clock on your lock screen in iOS 26.1. So I don't need my glasses and I could just tap my phone and go, oh, okay, it's three o'. Clock. Great.
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A
Don't you have an Apple watch? You can't see your Apple watch with your eyes.
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B
I don't always have my watch on either.
- [55:19]
A
Oh, okay. Heretic. Heretic. The funny thing about stretching the clock, if you stretch it long enough, it looks like a horror movie.
- [55:27]
B
It does. You can overstretch.
- [55:29]
A
Yeah, totally can overstretch.
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B
Which Old, old Apple. They never would have let you do that. That the design team would have been like, you can stretch this far and no further.
- [55:37]
A
Yeah, yeah. It has to be, you know, it has to be a ratio of the, you know, the, the beauty algorithms to make sure that it does not come out of whack, period.
- [55:46]
B
They absolutely would not let you do that. But now they do. They don't care.
- [55:49]
A
All right, progress. And we got ports back, so. Hey, fuck you, Johnny. I've. Well, Tesla may finally add Apple CarPlay back to its vehicles. No, no, not back to. They never had it, did they?
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B
No, they have not.
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A
Tesla. Yeah, that's right. They fought tooth and nail. So they're going to possibly add it to its vehicles as early as late 2025. Well, TikTok, it's look out the window. Yeah. The company has long refused to support third party infotainment systems, but slowing EV demand and rising competition have it rethinking their stance.
- [56:24]
B
Also cheaper. Cheaper than developing their own or continuing their own thing going.
- [56:29]
A
Tesla is reportedly testing standard CarPlay on the center touchscreen while keeping key native controls visible. Like how do I unlock this car when it's on fire? Can I get that since I have.
- [56:39]
B
To drive the car with my screen?
- [56:41]
A
Yeah. Android Auto isn't planned and it's unclear which models would get the upgrade and how much it's going to cost because I'm sure nothing's free at Tesla. The move would buck. The broader industry trend is companies like GM, Rivian and Lucid are phasing out CarPlay and Android Auto, even as research shows those features can influence more than 60% of car buying decisions. So boom, right there on the nose. Nobody's buying a Tesla. They want their CarPlay because CarPlay is awesome.
- [57:07]
B
Yes.
- [57:07]
A
So finally this one, this Brian just made me laugh. Fireflies, the so called AI transcription startup with a billion dollar valuation. Billion dollar valuation in a brag that 75% of the Fortune 500 uses. It just admitted its original quote AI wasn't AI at all. Its CTO Sam Udatong says that back in 2017, when customers thought an automated assistant named Fred was joining their meetings, it was really just him and his co founders silently dialing in and taking notes by hand for 100 bucks an hour. So Mechanical Turk 2.0, baby.
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B
The AI is humans.
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A
Yep, yep. They said that they eventually automated things, but only after the founders sat through more than 100 meetings to make rent. So you know the statute of limitations is out on that now because you can't say that shit anymore because the FTC has cracked down on deceptive AI claims and schemes. So on September 25th, the new enforcement initiative Operation AI Comply came around with the FTC. So you need to. You can't do that shit anymore. It's illegal.
- [58:20]
B
Jason, I don't know if you've noticed, but our entire show is full of shit that people aren't supposed to be doing but are doing anyways.
- [58:27]
A
That's right. That's right. Never mind. Never mind that.
- [58:30]
B
Never mind.
- [58:31]
A
The Dark side with Dave welcome to the Dark side with Dave. Podcast super host Dave Bittner decodes all things cyber on the cyberwire every day Exposes deception with Joe Kerrigan on hacking humans. Dives deep into privacy with Ben Yellen on Caveat, Breaks down industrial cybersecurity on Control Loop. It even brings the chuckle wuckles on only malware in the building. Hi, Dave. Hello.
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C
Nice to be back. Chuckle Walkles. I need a T shirt that says bring in the Chuckle Walkles.
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A
Well, I don't know if you guys saw this terrible, sad news, but the official Star wars magazine is coming to an end after over 30 years, and I say it's still a thing.
- [59:16]
C
I was gonna say there's an official Star wars magazine.
- [59:20]
B
Well, good for them, I guess.
- [59:23]
C
Yeah, I remember Star Wars Insider. No, I. I do remember this, and I. I remember looking through them. They would. You know back when you would go to the neighborhood news rack and look 711 magazines. 7 11. Sure, sure. And that, sure, that was probably one that I would thumb through, but I haven't thought about it in a long time. I don't. I, I know, don't. I mean, there's no printed magazines that I cross paths with anymore.
- [59:53]
B
No. All the music magazines I used to love and always pick up at airports on my travels are long defunct. Star Wars Insider. I don't really recall. It's probably one of the ones that I picked up while at 7:11 and held up like this while I put the Playboy inside.
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C
Right.
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A
Yeah. That's funny.
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C
I was thinking the same thing.
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B
That's what we used to have to do for porn kids.
- [60:18]
A
Yeah.
- [60:19]
C
Well, you know what was even better? It was when you got to the newsstand and you picked up the copy of Star Wars Insider and you picked it up and someone had already put the Playboy inside of it.
- [60:29]
A
That's convenient.
- [60:30]
C
One of the neighborhood kids was a step ahead of you, looking out for. For you. Yeah.
- [60:35]
B
Yeah. We didn't have to scan our eyeballs to get age verified for Reddit porn. We just. We put a Playboy inside the Star Wars Insider.
- [60:43]
C
That's right.
- [60:45]
A
It's funny, I still do get one physical magazine. Well, I got up until recently. I think I'll probably start getting it again. Wired magazine. It is almost impossible to get the digital subscription without them sending you the magazine, whether you want it or not. I didn't want it, but it still shows up. It just. Okay. Yeah. And I think it's cheaper to get just get the digital and physical subscription than it is just the digital because I think for them it makes more sense to up their numbers for the print magazine to just give it to you and say Here, please. We can sell more ads that way.
- [61:16]
C
I remember years ago I tried to cancel my Baltimore sun subscription. I was getting the newspaper every day, the printed version. And I didn't need that anymore. And they just wanted to keep putting it on my front porch. I got it for years without paying for anything. I think they just wanted the numbers. They didn't care if you were paying. They just needed anybody who'd be willing to have it delivered. They were happy to do.
- [61:43]
A
We've got all these laying around, let's just give them out. Why not?
- [61:46]
C
Right, Right. What else are we going to do with them? So yeah, they went right into recycling or use to kindle the fireplace or something like that.
- [61:55]
A
All right, well, RIP Star wars magazine.
- [61:59]
C
You know, there's somebody out there who has a complete set. There's more than one person out there who has. Oh yeah, the complete set. 237 issues. Wow. So speaking of Star Wars, I went looking earlier this week for a scarf that looks like Chewbacca's bandolier. Doesn't this seem like a pretty straightforward idea?
- [62:23]
A
Should be right up there on Etsy front page.
- [62:25]
B
I was thinking this is a job for Etsy.
- [62:27]
C
That's what I thought. Nope, couldn't find one anywhere.
- [62:33]
B
Luckily for you. I, I also googled Dave and you'll see a new link in the show notes.
- [62:39]
C
Oh, what is this?
- [62:39]
B
The, the fuzzball bandolier shawl which is a revelry download for $6. It is a, a stitch project. So you just need to find somebody that will stitch something for you and it looks quite good.
- [62:54]
C
So yes, I have a co worker who is an avid knitter. In fact I had reached out to her about this problem of there not being a scarf and she went and looked in the knitting databases. Was also surprised to not find that's.
- [63:13]
B
On the dark web.
- [63:14]
C
Yeah, so this is great. All right, well this could be problem solved. I mean I wasn't looking for a shawl, I was looking for a scarf. But I am confident enough in my masculinity to wear a shawl and if, if that's what it comes to. But this looks very nice.
- [63:30]
A
I'm sure with a few design tweaks your, your expert knitter can make it, make it happen for you.
- [63:34]
C
Yeah, I would think so. I think so. But again, I was surprised because it seems like such a no brainer idea to have a Chewbacca bandolier scarf and there aren't any out there that I could find. So we got any entrepreneurial knitters out There perhaps market opportunity.
- [63:53]
B
That's right.
- [63:54]
C
That's right.
- [63:55]
B
Yeah. You probably will need to pay Disney off some point if you get big enough. But until then, you know.
- [64:01]
C
Yeah.
- [64:02]
B
Move fast and break things. Kids, knitters.
- [64:04]
C
That's right. What could go wrong?
- [64:06]
A
Well, just this woman did. She called it fuzzball. Bandolier.
- [64:10]
B
Yeah.
- [64:11]
A
That's all you got to do.
- [64:12]
C
That's smart. I saw in the show notes that you guys had discussed Pluribus earlier.
- [64:19]
B
Well, one of us has seen it. The other one was forced to watch the Victoria Beckham documentary with his wife instead.
- [64:24]
A
So two guesses on who that was.
- [64:29]
C
Hmm. Yeah.
- [64:33]
B
So the fact that I did so is the reason that one of us has a wife.
- [64:38]
C
Well, there's that. There's that. I just wanted to touch base because I am two episodes in and very much enjoying it.
- [64:47]
A
It's good.
- [64:48]
B
I can't wait.
- [64:51]
C
Yeah, it is good. And it is one of those shows that I find myself thinking about it all the time.
- [64:59]
A
Yeah, it's like. Right.
- [65:00]
C
Like, it's just, like, puzzling through and, like, what's. And because it's one of those shows that doesn't give you all the information to start with, so it sort of gets, you know, metered out as the show goes along, which I find very compelling. So I don't know, should I. Should I hold off with any spoilers.
- [65:19]
B
Until I'm aware of the plot?
- [65:22]
C
Okay, so if you're aware of the plot. So here's a thought that crossed my mind, Jason.
- [65:26]
A
Okay.
- [65:26]
C
What if the world that Carol is in is actually heaven?
- [65:35]
A
Brian's getting stoned so he can follow along.
- [65:37]
B
Yeah, man. What if the color green to you.
- [65:42]
A
Is not the same as the color. Yeah. Or perhaps hell. I was going on a different track that it was. It's the greatest. It's basically an invasion weapon. The virus that the people were infected. It's an invasion weapon to make everybody compliant so when the aliens do get here, that they just can walk right in and take over the planet. That's where I was going with it.
- [66:04]
B
I'm reasonably sure that's the plot in one of those books in that series that we read, Jason, which is all about first contact.
- [66:10]
A
Yeah, probably. So it could be. Could be very Twilight Zone y. She's actually dead and has gone to heaven.
- [66:17]
C
But, yeah, I guess I wasn't thinking so much of that. It's just that sort of metaphorically, if you think about what would heaven be like, and it would be very similar to what she's experiencing of everyone trying to take care of your every need and eternal happiness and everyone getting along, all that sort of thing. So, I don't know, just something interesting to ponder.
- [66:43]
A
One minor problem with that theory is that heaven would have bacon. And these people are. They won't kill the pigs for you. So there's no bacon in that one. So that would go to the hell side of things for me if there's no bacon.
- [66:57]
C
Yes, I agree. I totally agree. So yeah, highly recommended. I'm digging it. It's beautiful. In the same way that Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul were beautifully shot, I was also thinking, I was talking with my son who is studying filmmaking these days and how.
- [67:18]
A
Sorry, when's he moving back in?
- [67:20]
C
Well, he never left.
- [67:21]
A
Oh, he never left. Okay. And he never will. He never will.
- [67:26]
C
Hey, I live in my parents house and I'm, you know, so. Because for one of his film classes he had to watch an episode of Star Trek Voyager. So we watched it together and I was struck with how different the production of a television program. How much has changed since when they were making Voyager to today when they're making a show like Pluribus or Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul. And how much of that I think is because of how much bigger televisions are. When I was coming up and was in film school, I remember one of our professors saying over and over again, television is a close up medium. Television is a close up medium. And that's because the average TV size was probably 19 inches in people's homes. So you had to have lots of close ups so that people could see what was going on from across the room. But we all have these relatively huge TVs now or comparatively huge TVs now. So you can have these big spanning wide shots that would not read in a small television.
- [68:33]
B
So do you think it'll return to that? As we know, the younger generation is watching everything on their small phones?
- [68:40]
C
No, because I think that's a distance thing. I think it's a distance and field of view kind of thing because as long as your device is this close to your, to your head and boy, I'm glad we're shooting video now. As long as your device is this close to your head, inches away from your eyeballs, it's like a white screen. Yeah, yeah, it covers the same field of view. And if you have young eyes and can focus that close, close, I don't think it's a problem. And also switching to 16 by 9.
- [69:06]
A
And all that kind of thing, resolution too, because you only had so many scan Lines on an old tv and now we've got gazillions of babillions of pixels.
- [69:15]
C
Right, Right. So it just changes how they can do storytelling, I think for the better, but it's just different. And one of the things that got me thinking about was is it correct to call them the same thing? Is it still television in the way that we thought of it?
- [69:34]
B
Absolutely. I don't think so. It's so different. It's a different medium even. Just as we talk about all the time, it's like now you get eight episodes of something and then you'll get another eight episodes in five years. Everything's different.
- [69:47]
A
Yeah. I missed 22 episode arcs. Come on.
- [69:51]
B
There's no holiday episodes anymore. All the things that we grew up with love.
- [69:56]
A
Hey, at least we get musical episodes on brand new worlds.
- [70:00]
B
That's true. We never get very special episodes anymore.
- [70:04]
C
Summer reruns, all that stuff. Remember when they would have a. The networks would run a special that was a preview of all the new shows?
- [70:13]
B
Yes. Look at all the stuff we'll be shoving down your throat this year.
- [70:18]
C
Right now.
- [70:18]
A
They just run that in front of every episode of every show you're going to watch on Apple tv.
- [70:23]
C
Yeah, no, I remember it was an event when they would show the here's all the new Saturday morning cartoons on abc and we'd sit in front of the TV and watch whatever iteration of Scooby Doo is new.
- [70:35]
A
Damn you, Scrappy Doo.
- [70:37]
C
Yeah.
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B
Ruined it.
- [70:39]
C
Yeah, absolutely. I put a YouTube video in here of a very fun experimental aircraft. I labeled it. Talk about your crotch rocket. These folks are somewhere in Asia. I'm not sure, but boy, what a way to fly. To work in the morning.
- [70:55]
B
I thought you were about to say what a way to go and that would be.
- [70:59]
A
That's true, too. Yeah.
- [71:03]
C
I mean, probably inevitable.
- [71:06]
B
This thing looks fucking dangerous as hell.
- [71:08]
A
Oh, my God, this looks terrifying.
- [71:11]
C
Oh, yeah, yeah. But how cool that jet engines are.
- [71:18]
B
You know, Strapped to your ass. Well. Right.
- [71:21]
C
I mean, it's sort of.
- [71:22]
B
It's.
- [71:23]
C
It's kind of like the Rocketeer, except you're on a boogie board with wings and. But just to have a jet engine that small and accessible I think is kind of neat.
- [71:34]
A
Have you seen the Iron man suit, guys? Those guys have four jet engines, like on. One on each. One on each arm and one on each leg. And they just fly around with those. Those are just little turbines with this thing. What I'm noticing from this video, though, besides my stomach and sphincter clenching up quite a bit is that this guy doesn't have a parachute. If I'm getting on that thing, I want a fucking parachute.
- [71:55]
C
Right.
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B
I think if something goes wrong on that thing, nothing's gonna save you.
- [72:00]
C
Yeah.
- [72:01]
B
Wow.
- [72:01]
C
That's true. He should be wearing a parachute.
- [72:04]
A
Yeah. He's got a helmet on. Why wouldn't he have a parachute?
- [72:08]
C
He should be wearing an Iron man suit.
- [72:10]
A
Yeah.
- [72:11]
C
Really? In case he crashes. Yeah. I don't know. I'm trying to think, would I want one of these or not?
- [72:19]
A
Oh. The answer is yes, absolutely.
- [72:21]
B
You can wear your shawl while you're flying.
- [72:25]
A
That would look really cool then.
- [72:26]
C
Yeah, that would be cool. All right. Put one thing in front of the other. Right. Well, honey, start with the shawl. So, naturally, the next thing I'm going to buy is this crotch rocket. I put a little thing in here about a story that we covered over on Cyberwire. This is about some AI powered toys that are going to be available for Christmas this year for the little ones. And of course, as you would expect, when researchers went and tested them, it went horribly wrong. The toys answered questions about things like, where in the house can I find matches? How do I start fires? Where are the kitchen knives? They also got into explicit sexual content and erotica. How to tie bondage knots.
- [73:18]
A
These are all useful life skills.
- [73:21]
C
Yeah. I imagine. Like Teddy Ruxpin, you know, just kill your mother, Right?
- [73:29]
A
Exactly. What's Daddy doing to the nanny?
- [73:33]
B
Yeah.
- [73:35]
C
Yes. Your mom won't let you have more dessert, will she? We'll take care of that.
- [73:41]
B
Yeah. It's funny, they point out, and this is something we just discussed a little bit earlier in the show, that the guardrails begin to erode during longer conversations. Again, something that they could have built into the toy to reset, you know, the history, basically, after five minutes. But nope, nope.
- [73:57]
A
Right.
- [73:57]
B
Let's not do that. So.
- [74:00]
C
Yeah. And this being an unregulated area, this is what we get.
- [74:06]
B
Yeah, exactly.
- [74:08]
C
So we'll see. I saw there's someone in Europe, I can't remember off the top of my head, who are restricting AI from kids under, I think, 16 or so. Same way we restrict porn or claim to do so. They are claiming to keep kids away from it, and I'm not sure how I feel about that, but it could go that way. I doubt it'll go that way here in the States, but be interesting to see if that catches on around the world.
- [74:36]
B
I mean, I certainly have no intention of letting my son get anywhere near AI until he's a teenager at the Earliest. No way I would buy something like this for him. Absolutely.
- [74:47]
A
It's just cute. You still think we're going to have a planet for him to check this thing out with? Because AI is going to dry up all the riverbeds. I don't know if you saw in the news today, Tehran's about out of water and they're going to have to. To get rid of everybody and they don't even have AI, so.
- [75:02]
C
Oh, really?
- [75:02]
A
They've got nine days of drinking water left in Tehran and they might have to evacuate all 10 million people, so.
- [75:07]
B
Well, that's fun.
- [75:09]
A
Yeah, don't come here.
- [75:11]
C
No, I remember I was probably decades ago now that it was an article in National Geographic that was speculating that water could be one of the main things that wars are fought over in the future.
- [75:22]
B
I've heard that my entire life. We're going to have water. Water wars. Yeah.
- [75:25]
C
Yeah.
- [75:27]
B
And not just the stupid Kevin Costner movie.
- [75:29]
A
Yeah. I was gonna say I couldn't remember who it was. Kevin Costner. Yeah. Yeah. He got it wrong. He's got too much water. Moist world.
- [75:39]
B
Well, it's a world of delicious Atlantic.
- [75:41]
C
Yeah, Here in the mid Atlantic. We have plenty of clean drinking water so far, but we'll see. We'll see.
- [75:50]
B
Keep running those queries and you won't.
- [75:52]
C
Yeah, exactly. We'll see. That big slurping sound from the data center next door. We'll see. And then the last thing I wanted to check in with you guys on was camping again. My son Jack just came back from a weekend camping with his buddies and he had a good time. I think a weekend was enough time camping with his buddies for him to want to come home and not be with his buddies. But he enjoyed the time that they spent together.
- [76:20]
B
Yeah.
- [76:21]
C
And I was just curious if you guys had. What part camping played in your lives, if any. I was not a camper. I was never a Boy Scout. I've camped, but I've never would never anything I'd consider to be a camper. How about you guys?
- [76:38]
A
No, no, I've never been camping. I have never been a Boy Scout. I was. I was a Cub Scout for a while, but. Yeah, it holds no appeal to me whatsoever. Give me a good rv. I'm cool with that. I'll sleep in the car, whatever. But I have this problem with bugs. Bugs really like me a lot. I've got that sweet gene that gives the sweet blood that everything wants to eat. So I'm just like a salad bar for those guys. So I do Everything I possibly can to stay out of the great outdoors. Yeah. Yeah. Glamping maybe. Sure. Sign me up. I'm in. I'll go for a hike and then go back to my mint on my pillow. Sweet.
- [77:22]
B
I grew up with camping. I was not a Boy Scout. We had something called the Indian Guides, which I'm sure would no longer be politically correct and probably doesn't exist anymore. But yeah, my dad and I would camp with. With that a lot and, and we went a few times. My mom. Mom was not interested in camping. She did not come along. I married someone very similar to my mom. The closest my wife will ever get to camping is going down to a four star hotel from a five. And that is. That is enough for her. So, yeah, it's camping. Well, I thought perhaps with my son we would do that. But what I've learned about my son is he's taken after his mother that way. So there will be no camping. So camping seems to be a thing of my past. And honestly, I don't, I don't. I. I enjoyed it with my father as a child. I. I enjoy the finer things in, in life these days as well. I remember, Jason, you and I went to that conference up here in Canada, the podcasting conference.
- [78:19]
A
Yeah.
- [78:20]
B
And we were in a shack, and that was bad enough. And I'm like, that was.
- [78:24]
A
Yeah, that's as close as I ever want to get. It was so cold. We had. Oh, but we had so much free beer that it didn't really matter.
- [78:33]
B
Yeah, the beer kept us warm.
- [78:35]
A
Oh, that was a great convention. That was our first and show. That was so much fun. And Brian, by the way, the Indian Guides were rebranded as YMCA Adventure Guides now.
- [78:45]
B
Okay. Yeah, I figured there's no way that they were still called the Indian Guides. And you know, it's. The dads gave themselves name like Sitting Bull and like that.
- [78:54]
A
So.
- [78:55]
C
Yeah, they still have the.
- [78:56]
A
The Indian genocide people, right?
- [78:59]
B
Yeah. So, yeah, so I, I did camp once, and I think that those days are long gone. Certainly with my, my family dynamic, it's not happening. Happening anytime soon.
- [79:09]
C
Yeah, the few times I did it were in college and I had a friend who had put together whitewater rafting trips for us. And so that was usually an overnight, maybe two. We'd drive a few hours out to where the river is and the outfitters and set up tents and all that kind of stuff. And my college roommate, who was an Eagle Scout, I counted on him for everything. It was like, Ken, Ken make fire. And Ken would go make fire at the camp.
- [79:37]
B
I'm hungry.
- [79:38]
A
Yeah, exactly.
- [79:39]
C
Ken build tent. And Ken would run away and he'd come back. And the funny thing was, Ken was perfectly happy to build me a tent. And then he would sleep in a hammock that he'd strung up between a couple of trees. He would string up a hammock for himself and then, like a tarp that went over the hammock.
- [79:56]
B
That's what bears calls him. Snack.
- [79:58]
A
Yeah, exactly. I'm like, is this guy related to Bear Grylls? Did he drink his own pee?
- [80:03]
C
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sasquatch appetizer. But so I, I was never. I, I would. I'm far from self sufficient. And we also. Also the campgrounds we stayed in had toilets. So.
- [80:21]
A
Answers the question. Does a Dave in the woods.
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B
I was gonna say, does a podcaster shit in the woods?
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C
Yeah, never have. Never have. And at this point, never will.
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B
Will.
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A
Never say never, Dave.
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C
Well, that's true. We'll see how it goes with this whole civilization thing.
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A
Yeah, exactly. Ken toilet.
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C
Ken dig latrine. Yeah, he's a good guy.
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A
So I got one last thing today too. I had to find a set of headphone splitters this week, and I found them in my bag at the very bottom, and I open them up and I look at them. I'm like, aw, Radio Shack. Because that's, you know, that was the last thing I ever bought from Radio Shack was going in and getting a pair of headphone splitters. Because you always need it. Sometimes when you're on the plane and you're with somebody who's just like, I want to listen to the audiobook too. Listen to a podcast. They're better for you. But then you have the headphone splitters. Now it's all Bluetooth. And then you have to share AirPods, which is just disgusting.
- [81:22]
C
Yeah, yeah. I recently stumbled upon a pair of Minimus 7 speakers in a closet in my basement that were tucked away. So. From Radio Shack.
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A
Ah, the good old days. Now it's just crypto scams with Tai Lopez. Yay. That's right. All right, Dave, well, thank you very much. We'll see you again next week.
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C
All right, see you then.
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B
In. Hi, Dave.
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A
Closing Shout out over on Patreon. We've got a new subscriber, Val. Thank you very much, Val. And also we would like to thank Derek Allen, John, Mike, Whit, Trenton, Peter, Allison, Brendan and Sarah for their continued support.
- [82:05]
B
Thank you.
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A
We also have some comments this week. One from James says, this is a fantastic show that seems like it was made for me, a friend T turned me onto it a couple years ago. Go over time, I found I look forward to it every week. I love the raw observations and insights. Lack of fear of dominant political pressures. Just it all. Please continue.
- [82:24]
C
We.
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A
We're gonna try. We're gonna try.
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B
The money we get, the more we.
- [82:27]
A
Continue, the more we continue. Yes. Line goes up. We stay on. David also right in says, I just love you guys so much. Well, we love you too, David. Thank you.
- [82:37]
B
Thank you. Over at PayPal, we got Miles, Ralph, Arcadio, Shari Dennis with $25 donation. Jessic Jasek.
- [82:45]
A
Jasek sounds right.
- [82:46]
B
J sick. Okay. With $30 donation. And Oliver, who sent us $31.22 and said, hi, I sent you my entire $31.22 Google settlement payment. Enjoy it. I love your show. Missing out on a Google payment.
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A
Yes. Where's that one from?
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B
That's much more than my $4 from fucking Facebook.
- [83:05]
A
I didn't get anything from Facebook. I'm worthless. I got nothing over the tip jar. We've got John S. Hi, John, Roger and Theodore. So just a reminder to everybody, if you want to go to patreon.com gog you can sign up for the show to get it a little bit early. Ad free and in high definition. We don't know what the timing is going to be like now that I have to edit a video. So we'll see.
- [83:27]
B
We'll see how this all works.
- [83:29]
A
Yeah, but you get. Yeah, but no ads. You get no ads for. For sure.
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B
Also, we're getting towards the season, so I'm going to need Alvin and Simon to step up and join Theodore. Theodore, I've been dying to do this for 12 years. I want to be able to read out Alvin, Simon and Theodore at Christmas time as donators.
- [83:46]
A
Yeah, please do get on it, guys. Please. Pretty please. So, yep, GOG show donate for all the different options or patreon.com gog either one will work.
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B
All right, until next time, I'm Brian Schallmeister.
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A
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