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welcome to Grumpy Old Geeks, a weekly talk show where we discuss the finer points of what went wrong on the Internet and who's to blame. I'm Jason DeFilippo.
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And I'm Brian Schulmeiser.
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Brian, you missed the bus on this one. I, I, I'm Sad to say so. 37 year old tax economist dumped his entire $342,000 life savings into Cauchy prediction markets, betting that federal spending would keep rising despite Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency president promising to slash waste and balance the budget. Well, we've talked about you betting on Elon's downfalls for a while and this guy beat you to the punch because he won. He got, he cashed out at roughly $470,000, pocketing $128,000, which is about a 37% return on the downfall of Elon Musk, or at least Doge.
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That's a, that's a hell of a bet to put your entire life savings out there, but pretty strong one. As we've talked about a lot on this show, everything that Elon says is bullshit.
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Everything he touches turns to a poop emoji.
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It kind of does. So I, you know, good for this guy, you know, here's a win. It's, it's very funny. It makes the news because everybody's down on Elon right now, as they should be. But you know, I, I just, where are all the stories about people that have lost their life savings? Because we're going to start hearing a lot of those.
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Oh yes. Oh yes. They're out there.
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This is not good. And once we actually have a sane government, this shit's going to get regulated until it's gone.
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Gone, gone, daddy gone. Yeah, we've got, yeah, we've got more stories about that coming up.
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All right, well, I've got some more stories about Elon right now. Some more follow up. Tesla is still on the hook for the $243 million verdict after a US judge rejected the EV maker's bid to overturn the jury verdict from last year. On Friday, U.S. district Judge Beth Bloom upheld the jury's decision to hold Tesla partially responsible for a deadly crash that happened way back in 2019 and involved the self driving autopilot feature. You know the one that California said you can't use that name anymore because it doesn't autopilot it Auto kills.
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It's more Decepticon than Autobot.
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Yeah, I never even watched the damn show or the cartoon, but I just know the sound. Anyways, I mean, this is Elon's playbook, right? So he gets sued, he, he loses, he counters, and the eventually the countersuit gets tossed out of court. That's what he does. He just tries to keep things in court all the time. Anytime he loses something, he has to countersue against it. And he's doing it again because as we just talked about in California, the California's DMV basically said you cannot use the term autopilot in full self driving to sell cars. They won a case on that. Tesla was forced to clean up its marketing language or risk a suspension of its sales license. But of course, Elon did what Elon does and he's suing them back right now. So if you want to bet on something on Kalshi, if Musk has been sued, bet on a countersuit.
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Bet on the countersuit. Yep. Yep. Well, he's just taking a page out of his Cheeto friends playbook, you know.
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I know.
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Just keep him in court. Keep him in court.
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So they filed a complaint on February 13 alleging that the DMV wrongfully and baselessly called Tesla a false advertiser, even though they are basefully and quite correctly false advertising. The autopilot.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And he also said it was unconstitutional.
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What?
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Because why the fuck not if you're making shit up anyways, you gotta fucking go for the fences, man.
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Let's go. I'd say shoot for the moon, but let's shoot for Mars.
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No, no, we, we, we moon now.
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Oh, that's right. We bound back Mars. We're going to the moon.
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Going to the moon.
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To the moon. Last week we talked about Jack Dorsey and Jack Dorsey's beard and his. Jack Dorsey's beard's AI.
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And we couldn't even remember the name of his company. Remember, it is so far out of public consciousness these days, we could not remember. But then I just go, oh yeah, he's a blockhead. Bingo.
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Yep. Yeah. And square. Square is the subsidy under that that you get to every coffee shop in Barista known to man knows how to use a square terminal. Did I tell you this story? I think I don't always know how
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to use them to be.
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I did I tell you the story about when my dad went to go get coffee and the square terminal broke and the girls couldn't figure out how to make change for a $20 bill?
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You did? Yes. And that's how bad we've gotten. And no wonder. We have the government. We do.
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And that was pre A.I.
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right?
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Just, just, Just, you know, roll that one up and smoke it. Well, Jack has finally pulled the. Pulled the band aid off the beard, and he is going to cut 4,000 jobs at Block, slashing the company from over 10,000 employees to their 6,000.
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Under.
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6,000, Brian, I don't know what they're going to do with just under $6,000. Well, they're going to spend all that money because the stock popped 24%, which
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is a sad indictment on the state of the stock market right now, because this is what's. What you're rewarding. Just fucking firing people.
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Hey, the Dow's $50,000, Brian. It's over $50,000.
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Screw your liberties.
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Yeah, so Dorsey framed Thursday's cuts, is proactive, even empathetic, because he said, it's so demoralizing for the. For them to eke out the, you know, the firings and see all the corpses of their fallen comrades on the floor. Like, let's just clear the decks. Let's just clear everybody out. Now, here's the thing. This is the first time that they're actually that people are backing up their firing claims and saying it's because of AI. So Block CFO Amarita Oja said the cuts will position the company to move faster with smaller, highly talented teams using AI to automate more work.
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So far be it from me to call Jack and his beard a fucking liar, but bullshit.
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Well, Jack used AI to get rid of these 4,000 people, remember? So technically, he is using AI, you know, so.
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Yeah, no, I don't. I don't think that's the case. I think the problem is because we could not even remember the name of the company. Block. Things haven't been going well over there. That's the reality. Square has already. It's got as much market share as it's going to get. There's no growth there to be had. That's done. What else has he got? Not much. I think that Block had overhired, as they do because they were expecting a lot of gains. The gains never happened. And now you've got way too many employees and not a hell of a lot of business.
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Yeah, well, you also have to remember, too, Block is named after the Blockchain. And we're in the middle of the worst crypto downturn ever. Yes, so.
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So things are not going well. You can't support 10,000 employees. What you got going on?
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So maybe he's just using AI As a cover.
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Exactly.
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Because the crypto market has just tanked. And all of his. Basically, his Investment in crypto is just halved in the past couple months.
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Look, I've been wanting to kind of mention this for a while, but Jack Dorsey's kind of gone off our radar recently. He's a horrible CEO. A lot of these guys are. Yes, and that's the real problem here. If you think back to Twitter and if you listen to our show for a long time, you've heard me talk about this forever. At the time, Twitter's market share and mindshare was so far above and beyond what they actually were compared to other social media networks. They didn't have the amount of people on them, they didn't have the engagement on them, they didn't have all the features, and they weren't even trying to do new features. But somehow Twitter was the go to for everybody. It had the right people on it in terms of reporters and celebrities. It had the right lack of features that made it super simple, easy to use, and it was used in late night bits. It was on every billboard. Everywhere was the, you know, the Twitter handles for things.
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Yep.
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How do you fuck that up? And Jack managed because he's a shitty CEO. Any real CEO, anybody that had been trained, had gone to, you know, business schools, had put in the work, had known what to do, would have been able to do something with Twitter other than sell it to another shitty CEO.
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Well, you have to remember what Jack started out as. He was just a coder in the back room. He was one of us, a side project. Yeah. He's. He is on the spectrum with the rest of us. He does not belong in the C suite. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. Are we surprised Narcissist gene for it?
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Are we surprised that he's not running Block? Well either, duh.
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No.
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He doesn't know what he's doing.
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No. Well, a little more AI news before we actually get to the news. A little more. Follow up, Goldman Sachs just threw out some cold water on the AI hype cycle, saying all that, all that massive spending on artificial intelligence. I'm stuttering over my words because this is just such a fun story that all the spending on artificial intelligence added basically zero to US GDP growth last year. All those gazillions of dollars that were being spread around did not meaningfully add to the gdp. They spent hundreds of billions of dollars and this year they're saying they're going to spend $700 billion, which I call bullshit on. There's not $700 billion to go around right now, especially with OpenAI's, you know, hat in the ring, they don't have the money. They just don't. Show me the money. Show me the money.
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In my mind, I just see this graph and it just goes straight up like that. And you know what it is? It's time. You know, since we. Since we were in tech.
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Yeah.
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And the bullshit hype over all these stupid fucking technologies that we've dealt with. Push technology, Little bit of hype. Blockchain. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
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We're gonna spend so much hype.
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NFTs to the fucking moon. And now crypto. Oh, my God. Bitcoin. And now we're at fucking AI and people have gone apeshit motherfucking mad. And this is all, we don't want it, we don't need it. It fucking sucks. And it's doing shit for us except firing people.
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But it's here to stay. I know I am. Where is that going? Anywhere.
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It's too big to fail now. There's too much money in it. Too many billionaires are involved and too much of their money is in it. And we're never getting out of this shit.
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The thing is, it's going to be consolidated in the next year or two. OpenAI, I think, is going to go the way the dodo. They have overextended themselves. Anthropic is probably going to win the business. You know, category with Claude. I still have fudgeing. Hate the name Claud. Hey, my name's Claude. It reminds me of Joe Pesci. And, you know, he's like, you know, they fuck you with the. They fuck you with the AI. They fuck you with the prompt. Yeah, they fuck you with the Claude. And, you know, Google's. Google's going to win. Absolutely. They are just tearing it up right now.
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Well, they swim in money.
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They do. That's the thing. They've got the. They've got the money to actually back it up. And they've also got the technical chops. And Meta is going to step on their own dick time and time and time again. That $200 million hire that they just had just left because it sucked at Meta and went to OpenAI. So he's just bouncing paycheck to paycheck to get all the monies he can, and he'll probably end up at Google,
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you know, probably so. And what's the playbook? You know, this is. It's the Uber Playbook. It's the. Spend the most money to drive everybody else out of business. And if you've got the most money, you're going to win.
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Yeah. And that's what, that's what Zuckerberg's like, you know, planning on, but it didn't really work with the metaverse. And let's see how it's going to work. This guy has never had an original idea in his fucking life. So why do you think now he's going to, like, just magically spend his way out of it? He's not, but, you know, he's spreading the money around, so take it while you can get it, I guess. But anyway, let's get back to this. I just want to clear this up here. So, yeah, the popular narrative has been that AI investment is juicing the economy. And even President Donald J. Cheeto has argued that AI is making the US Economy the hottest in the world, but that state regulations could choke off that growth. Whatever. Some economists back that up, pointing that big spikes in information processing equipment and software as major contributors to gdp. But. But Goldman's chief economist, Jan Hatzius, says, not so fast, brother. A lot of that AI hardware, especially the advanced chips, are imported. So when US companies buy processors from Taiwan or South Korea, that spending shows up in those countries. GDP's not ours.
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Ah, but tariffs, Jason, Tariffs.
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Yeah, well, we know how that ended up.
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Yeah, they're going to pay for them.
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Yeah. And in a survey of nearly 6,000 executives, about 70% said they're using AI. But roughly 80% of that 70% reported meaningful impact on jobs or productivity. So way to go, guys.
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It's just a firing mechanism. That's all AI is.
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in the news.
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Well, let's talk about Sam Altman for a minute because boy did he step on his thing.
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Stepped on his orb. He stepped on his orbs.
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At last week's India AI Impact Summit in New Delhi, industry leaders convened to discuss the future of artificial intelligence and how best to squeeze it into the parts of your life you haven't even considered or ever wanted. Also in attendance was OpenAI's Sam Altman, who earned numerous headlines over the course of the event for his words and antics. He started off by saying the claims about chat GPT consuming 17 gallons of water for each query or whatever are completely untrue, totally insane and have no connection to reality. Before qualifying that, okay, maybe it was a valid concern when his company used to do evaporating cooling and data centers. Okay, he went on to say that there is a fair concern about the amount of energy data centers eat to crank out the most soulless slop you'll ever see, but suggested the onus of responsibility for dealing with AI's ravenous appetite falls to the energy sector itself, which Altman Field needs to move towards nuclear or wind or solar very quickly to give us the power for the that nobody wants. Great.
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He then it gets better, doesn't it Brian?
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Oh, it gets better. He then stunned the crowd and firmly re entered the discourse with a mind blowing truth bomb for those who still felt AI was consuming too much energy. It also takes a lot of energy to train a human, Altman rejoined. It takes like 20 years of life and all the food you eat before that time before you get smart. And not only that, it took like the very widespread evolution of the hundred billion people that have ever lived and learned not to get eaten by predators and learned how to figure out science and whatever to produce you and then you took whatever you took. So if you compare a Chat GPT query asking whether you can stick this up your butt or not and the amount of energy required, it really isn't that much compared to all of human evolution. Jason.
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I'm so glad he cleared that up for us. Brian. I am so glad he cleared that up for us.
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Social media quickly took to roasting the remarks as dystopian and deeply antisocial and anti human. Now just to go back to him talking about, you know, how all the, the, the, the specific amounts being thrown around the 17 gallons of water for each query or whatever being completely and totally untrue, we have no way of knowing this because there are no regulations in place requiring data centers to disclose their water, water and energy consumption. Center employees and business partners are typically muzzled by non disclosure agreements. So even if they wanted to tell us, they can't tell us because of companies like, oh, I don't know, OpenAI.
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Yeah, yeah. Oh great, great. We need whistleblowers. We need whistleblowers. But there's no, there's no water left to whet their whistle. Brian. Wet what? Oh, I'm sure a lot of people don't realize that when you say whet to your whistle it's w h e
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t. Yes, I'm sure they don't. But you know, if they ask chat GPT they can get the right answer.
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Exactly. It takes 17 gallons to wet my whistle says chat GPT and it's still
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oh, we do seem to have spelled that wrong. My apologies. We'll make sure we note that for the future.
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Yep. Then they go to spell it. I spent 17 times on new on. I didn't even get the new Nano Banana But I spent 17 times trying to get Nano Banana to create this background today in 1080p 1920 by 1080. And it just kept giving me squares and I kept saying no, you're wrong and it's like you're right. Let me try that again. It would just give you the same fucking square over and over and over and over again. So I probably went through 400 gallons of water until I took it into another program and said, here, make it like this.
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Yeah, this is also useful though. I mean it's very useful.
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It is, it is.
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I'm glad we're banking the entire world economy on it. It's fantastic. I'm going to bet my life savings on Kalshi on the AI is going to fucking fail.
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Oh, I wouldn't take that bet. I would not take that bet. Anthropic has been in the news this week because of the dust up with Dario Amadai. And Pete Hegseth, two people I would definitely not like to be stuck in an elevator with. So Anthropic just told the Defense Secretary to go pound sand because the Pentagon reportedly demanded the company strip out safeguards blocking mass domestic surveillance and fully autonomous weapons, giving them a Friday deadline and threatening to label Anthropic as supply chain risk or even invoke the Defense Production act.
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By the way. I just want to stop for one second to point this out. The only two things that Anthropic said, you cannot do mass domestic surveillance in the United States, which is massive domestic surveillance in the United States. You can't do that. And fully autonomous weaponry. That's it.
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That's all we're saying.
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Anything else is fair game.
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Else is fair game, whatever else you
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want to do, but we have our limits. And those two, which are pretty fucking extreme, we're saying no to. And that's a no go for Keg Smith.
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Yep. So they, and even this week Anthropic has decided to like pull back some of their safeguards and they're just like, yeah, we were a little over heavy handed, you know, we're the safety AI company, but we don't need to be that safe, if you know what I'm saying.
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So yeah, they put out a press release last night. Dario Amade put it out saying that, yeah, we're not going to do that. We're going to stick to our guns. And, and by the way, Pete, Pete Keg Stand, you are contradicting yourself by saying that we are, are we, are we integral to U.S. security or are we, you know, a threat to U.S. security? You can't have both. They're contradicting statements that you're making. So what the fuck, dude? Yeah, but you know, at least I would say good for Anthropic to sticking to their guns, even though I think this is just a fucking PR maneuver.
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Yeah, well, Keg Stand sat there for a few seconds, stroked his chin, then he lifted about £800 or some bullshit for, and then drank some milk in a hot tub with Kid Rock. And then once he got out of that, he, oh, that was the other asshole.
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Sorry, that's the other guy. And they ate a dead whale and was strapped to their car.
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Well, he thought for a couple seconds, which really exhausted him because he's not used to it, and wondered, well, what AI company would be willing to do whatever the fuck because they have no scruples whatsoever. And they landed quickly on Grok. So of course the US Department of Defense has reportedly reached a deal to use Elon Musk's Grok and its classified systems.
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Yeah.
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According to Axios, that follows news that the Pentagon is. Well, yeah, all the other stuff that we just talked about. So last year, they ordered grok, along with chatgpt, Gemini, and Anthropics Claude to be approved for government use. Up until now, it's only been anthropic, but since they've had this kerfuffle, they are turning to grok, which should be great, because.
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Wait, you said the Department of Defense in here? And I think there's a lot of people that are contradicting each other right now in the news. Yes, there are, because it's the Department of War now, isn't it? Hasn't it been relabeled the Department of War?
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Well, yes, it's been relabeled in that they put up a sign for a photo op.
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Okay.
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But then they realized that changing the letterhead was going to be too expensive. And then there's all those business cards,
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and the business cards haven't arrived. Yeah.
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I mean, who needs it? Like we told everybody, it's the Department of War. That's good enough, right?
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Yeah.
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We took the picture.
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Yeah. The Gulf of America, Department of War.
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Yes, yes, yes. And we put Trump in front of everything temporarily for their picture, and then we take it down. It's fine.
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Yeah. Well, let's move on to some more. More shitty News. At least 30 cities have dumped Flock Safety, the AI surveillance company that wants to end crime by carpeting America with license plate readers. Since the start of 2025, activists organized through the open source site Deflock have been pressuring local governments to pull the plug. And it's working in places like Flagstaff, Eugene and Santa Cruz. Flock's network is part of a larger web.
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Sorry, I just went Route 66 in my mind because of the Flagstaff.
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I was just thinking Lockhead up in. Chris Lockhead up in Santa Cruz driving his Mustang. Go get these fucking cameras out of my goddamn city.
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I don't know. Doesn't he want them? I think that direction. I don't know.
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Vlogs Network is part of a larger web of more than 77,000 AI powered plate readers logging where you drive and when. Supporters call it public safety, but critics call it a rolling location tracker. That's already led to wrongful arrests, racial profiling, and cops treating glitchy AI hits as probable cause. Don't forget tracking people who are leaving Texas to go get abortions in other states and other states. That are doing that stuff. So yeah, that's so, you know, people are starting to dump those. But it gets better. Across the country, flocks, AI powered license plate readers and surveillance cameras are getting wrecked once locations leak. They're reportedly torn down, smashed or cut off poles, sometimes with calling cards left behind. Probably not the smartest thing to do when you're actually destroying somebody's property. Just saying. Unless it's the army of the 12 Monkeys. Then you can leave your calling card. Cops in places like Louisville are now keeping camera locations secret because as soon as they go public, the hardware disappears. You'd think that these are network attached cameras. They would have a way to figure out who took them down. But maybe, maybe they can only read license plates and not faces. I don't know. From Oregon to Virginia to California, it's open season on the solar powered stitch boxes flock backed by $275 million from, wait for it, our favorite people on the world, Andreessen Horowitz. Yeah, no shit. Pitches its networked cameras, gunshot detectors and even drone as first responder tech as crime killing infrastructure. Those gunshot detectors have been just lambasted here in la. They put them all over the place and none of them work. None of them work. CEO Garrett Langley has suggested widespread deployment could basically eliminate crime in America. Not white collar crime. You fucker. We reported last week that the Ring partnership actually imploded after the public backlash. So that has been taken down as well.
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All right, well, let's double back around to AI and how it's going to save us all. And we're all investing so much money in it and we're trusting the highest levels of government to put AI into everything now. And they're going to do all that. And of course, let's look at one of the better ones, Google. Google sent out an AI generated news alert that included the N word, according to reporting by Deadline. Yes, it was a push notification that featured a link to the story by the Hollywood Reporter regarding an incident at the recent BAFTA Film Awards that involved somebody with Tourette's that was in the back and said some things he wasn't supposed to say. And bafflingly, it was not removed from the broadcast even though they had a 12 minute delay on it. So somebody could explain that as well. Must have been an AI editor. I don't know. But yeah. So then Google's AI just took that headline and sent out a push alert with the N word.
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I got it from here, guys. Yep, let me take it. I got it.
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Google has since Apologized and said that it has removed the offensive notification bit late everywhere and is working to prevent this from happening again. Here's a thought. A human editor or just a word filter list? Somebody. A word filter list that was built. We built those into our chat bots. We built those into to our message boards. It's not that hard.
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I wrote that shit in Pearl in 1994. I think you can figure it out.
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Obviously not.
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Maybe they need to use Claude Claude code to work up the code for their.
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They've got a network 750 Mac minis to be able to do a ban list for words.
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Oh God. Oh, well, let's get back to some.
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Some.
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Some more fun news. Prediction market cow. She just booted a California political candidate and a YouTuber over insider trading. Giving us a peek at how this whole betting on the future thing is actually policed. In one case, a former gubernatorial candidate alleged. I like saying gubernatorial.
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Sounds like you're on the Muppet Show.
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Gubernatorial candidate allegedly placed trades on his own race. Kelshi froze the account, slapped on a five year ban and fined him 10 times the trade amount and reported it to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, the government agency that oversees prediction markets. They oversee it. They don't do anything about it, I'm sure. Yeah, so in another case though, an editor named artem Kaptur for Mr. Beast's YouTube channel was nagged after he placed about $4,000 in bets and was flagged for statistically suspicious winning streaks. He was fined over $20,000, banned for two years, and reported to the CFT. The fines really count? And are they legally enforceable? Brian?
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A
If I know,
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B
who knows?
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A
I don't know. None of this shit seems legal to me, but here we are.
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B
Yeah, and it's funny too. When I first put this article in here, they weren't naming the. The editor from YouTube. They. They kept the name under wraps. But I guess somebody figured it out and found out it was one of Mr. Beast's guys. And I'm think a $4,000 in. Betsy, you work for Mr. Beast. That's like, you know, I've seen how much money that guy gives away on the, on the, on the Daily. I just watched the ending of Beast Games. You know, in one episode he gave away over $6 million. So come on. I. I would get. I'd ask for a raise and stop nickel and diming your way out of it.
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A
Well, the thing is though, Jason, a lot of people are actually addicted to gambling, which is why this is a real fucking problem.
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B
It's a problem. That's right, I forgot about that. Yeah, there's that. So silly old me. Yeah, well, let's. Speaking of. Speaking of unscrupulous insiders, let's just keep the party going. A popular pro Trump X account called Johnny Maga with nearly 300,000 followers. I don't know how many are humans, but who knows? Appears to be run by a current White House staffer. According to reporting from Wired, the account has been amplifying official administration messages, including posts defending ICE actions and boosting a racist AI video depicting Barack and Michelle Obama as apes and calling it a masterpiece. Public records linked the account to Garrett Wade, a rapid response manager at the White House who helps run the same official feeds his anonymous account promotes. Well, the connection reportedly includes a shared phone number and confirmation from a source close to the White House. So if accurate, that means a government staffer may be moonlighting as an independent MAGA influencer, blurring the line between official communications and what looks like grassroots supports. So let's add Garrett's name to the ever expanding list of shitbags to revisit when the walls come down.
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A
I'm just gonna say, on the scale of things that's coming out of the White House, that that's illegal. This is chicken feed.
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B
Tempest in a teapot on this.
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A
Nothing.
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B
This is.
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A
The president's doing this. Yep. Anyways.
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B
But at least we know, at least we have the name of one of the guys who's probably behind some of that AI that's. He probably made the. The Michelle and Barack Obama masterpiece because we've been trying to figure out who that guy is or girl that is running that shit. So I think we have. We have a lead. We have a lead, people.
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A
All right, well, a common theme in online age verification laws is the tension between user privacy and preventing children from accessing harmful or inappropriate content. We have been following this story as people are trying to figure out how to do it. Since laws are being passed about it, regulations are going out everywhere. The UK is now sending a not so subtle message to Reddit on the subject to the tune of 14.5 million pounds, or one almost $20 million. The nation's Information Commissioner's Office, or the ICO, has accused the company of using children's data and potentially exposing them to inappropriate content. Children under 13 had their personal information collected and used in ways that they could not understand, consent to or control, they wrote in a statement, which left them potentially exposed to content they should not have seen, AKA all of Reddit. This is unacceptable and has resulted in today's find. In July of 2025, Reddit began requiring age verification to access adult content in the UK in compliance with the Online Safety Act. However, that's only used to block under 18 users from sexually explicit, violent or other mature posts. The platform also prohibits users under 13 from accessing it altogether. And enforcement of that policy is unsurprisingly lax. It merely requires users to declare when signing up that they are over 13.
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B
That's. Yeah, that's, that's. That's it. That should. That's legally binding, right?
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A
Yeah. The ICO described the method as easy to bypass. You think?
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B
Check.
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A
Well, we talked about Discord's attempts at age verification as well that earlier this month they said they would be enacting an age verification policy. The platform faced some initial concerns from users about turning over their IDs and personal information, particularly given how poorly similar policies have been going elsewhere, as well as with some of the companies that Discord was planning on using, which were promptly hacked. Yeah, data was everywhere.
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B
See the last two episodes of this show for more information on those.
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A
Yes, today or I guess about two days ago now, Discord announced that it will delay this oncoming thing and make some changes to its plans in response to the ongoing backlash. The first change is that Discord is postponing global rollout of age verification plans until the second half of 2026. The second bit being they have to figure out what the fuck their age verification plans are going to be. Yep, they are going to offer alternatives to how users can confirm ages, including verification by credit card. Again, not necessarily something I'm going to give Discord unless I know how they're storing it. This should allow people to access age gated content without sharing an ID or performing a face scan. The company is also promising more transparency about its vendors since some of the vendors have already screwed up. They said they will not work with any partners for face scans unless the tests are performed completely on device. And they are building a new spoiler channel option so that servers with select age restricted channels won't have to require all members to verify their ages. So we'll see what happens. But they're buying themselves some time to roll this out. Now, what we have always been saying is that perhaps this could be device based.
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B
Yes, go on.
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A
Let's let Apple handle it. Say I don't know. Well, Apple has started blocking users under 18 in certain regions from downloading apps. The company has introduced new age verification tools. Those will help meet their age assurance obligations under upcoming U.S. and regional laws, including in Brazil, Australia, Singapore, Utah and Louisiana, the company said in a news release on its developer's site. That's where the laws are being passed, Jason. That's why
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B
Brazil, Utah and Louisiana walk into a bar. Are you over 21? Says your phone. So fucking weird.
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A
So yeah, I mean Apple's rolling something out. The App Store can perform those checks automatically. Developers may have separate obligations to independently confirm that their users are adults. Apple wrote. So they're, they're dipping their toes in. But not saying we're the end all be all yet. But look, it's going to go that way. I think we all know that. So Apple's gearing up to do age verification.
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B
Yep, yep. So that's on device. What about your home computer though? You know that comes down to.
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A
Well, you know we're already got two fa, right? You got to get your phone out half the time to log into stuff. So what do you do if you don't have a phone? You're fucked. I mean, I guess you can't get your porn. I don't know what to tell you people.
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B
Yeah, you got to go to the titty bar like the old days.
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A
But we're already doing two fa, so the idea that you have to have a phone. Oh no, I can't get on through the website. Tough shit, right?
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B
Yeah. And, and I was thinking about Discord too. You said you would never give Discord your credit card. But a lot of people already do give Discord their credit card because they buy orbs and whatever the crap, you know, the boosty stuff and this, you know, all that crap.
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A
Yeah, that's true.
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B
So there's a lot of people that have that, but a lot of kids also have used their parents credit card, so.
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A
Yep. Yeah, it's a, it's a tough one.
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B
It's a slippery slope, Brian. It's a slippery slope.
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C
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B
Media Candy. Well, Brian, Netflix has officially bowed out of the bidding war for Warner Brothers, clearing the way for Paramount, Skydance, and setting off a fresh round of merger anxiety across Hollywood. Oh, man. I, I got a. I got a giant bit of copy here that I was originally going to read. And I'm just going to say that this sucks because I didn't, I didn't want Netflix to buy Paramount and I sure as shit didn't want.
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A
You mean Warner?
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B
Warner? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Warner. I didn't want Netflix to buy Warner. I didn't want Paramount. I didn't want anybody to buy Warner. I wanted somebody to take David Zaslav out back and shoot him in the face and then so everybody can get back to work instead of all of these, you know, business bros screwing up everybody's livelihood in this town. And it's now that, now that the deal has been inked, as it were, we got to still wait for regulatory approval, which is a joke. This is just. Everybody is patent David Zaslav on the back, he's like, you got $30 or $31 per share when it was worth 7 before. And, you know, yay. All the shareholders are happy, all of the business people are happy. The C Suite people are happy. You know who's not happy? Everybody that makes entertainment in this fucking town. That's who's not happy.
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A
Yeah, I mean, it's not good any way around. You don't want to see consolidations of industries. That's just what we're going to start seeing more and more of Netflix. This is a win because they're way overpaying for Discovery, Way, way overpaying for it for Warner Brothers and everything. So Netflix is not spending that money now. They also get a couple billion dollars, I think for the deal following through.
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B
2.8, $2.8 billion that Paramount has to pay too. So suck it, Larry and Larry and Son.
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A
It's an absolute win for Netflix. Their stock is probably going to go up, which, fine, it's a win for Zaslav, unfortunately, another horrible CEO, but he played the game enough to get vast overbids for it. And again the shareholders win there. It's a massive win for, for Trump. You know, he's got the regulatory approval, is going to sail through because those are his guys over at Paramount, Skydance. So of course there's, it's going to sail through and create, you know, right wing, another big right wing run company. So, you know, a loss for your speech there. We're gonna. CNN's dead. Dead in the water now. I mean, it was kind of crap anyways. It's been going bad for a long time. But anyway, you know, just on a personal note, like the amount of debt that the Paramount Warner combined companies have, Star Trek's dead. They're not going to spend any money on Star Trek. We're not going to get feature films anymore. We'll be lucky to get a series or two out of this. I don't know how this company is going to survive. They're so in debt. It's unbelievable. I think it's all going to come crashing down or they're just going to, they're just going to start generating AI slop and hope for the best. I don't see anything else coming out of this.
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B
That's, that's the downside. And just so many people are going to lose their jobs here in Hollywood with the consolidation. I mean, and everybody's been holding their breath waiting to see what happens. And I'm sure people were just in tears yesterday when they found out it was going to be Paramount. And you know, I mean, I worked at Paramount back in the day and it was my favorite place in the world I've ever worked. And it just, it pains me, it saddens me so much now that this is what's happened to it. And yeah, and Star Trek, Star Trek's hosed. So hosed. Which is sad too because I was starting to finally get into Starfleet Academy. I thought last night was the best episode that they've had so far this season and reminded me the most of old school, Next gen, Star Trek. I felt that this episode had those. Had the beats, the tones. It had the beats, it had the feels. It had everything. It hit. I think that one hit on all cylinders and I had to go check. I even didn't mind.
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A
I even didn't mind Tilly. And I hated her on Discovery.
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B
I hate. I saw her walk on set and I was just like, oh, you gotta be shitting me. And then she walked on and she fucking ate it up. She ate it up. She was fantastic.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So it was a good episode.
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A
I enjoyed it.
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B
Yep. Bob Picardo fucking nailed it, everybody. I thought it was great across the board. But yeah, there's two more episodes for this season and that's probably the last we're gonna see.
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A
Yep, we'll see about that. So upon your recommendation, I started to watch and I finished the entire season of A Night of the Seven Kingdoms.
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B
It doesn't take much. It's not that long.
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A
No. Which is what I loved about it. I love the fact that they were 2030 minute episodes, you know, I guess there was more 30, 40, let's be. Let's be real. But yeah, it was great. I'm gonna not spoil this because I recognize that there are a lot of, you know, we live in a different age now where not everybody watches everything right when it first comes out. It's also set in Westeros and a lot of people, people like me coming off the end of Game of Thrones went, fuck that shit. I'm never watching any of that stuff ever again.
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B
Me too. That was me.
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A
That was me. I watched the first episode of that Dragon Rising Dragon or whatever and I was like, I'm out, don't care. I heard about this and I was like, I'm out. Don't care. Not even gonna watch the first episode until you told me to. I loved this show.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I highly recommend that people watch this show, especially the first couple episodes, because they were whimsical, they were funny, they weren't dark and heavy. And it wasn't. There were no heavy, big stakes, nothing. It was just some random people living. And it was awesome. But it being a Game of Thrones property, it had to get fucking weird and heavy real quick.
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B
Yeah, it did.
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A
And boy, did it. But I still think that they pulled it off. And, you know, I thought it was really good. And. And a little bit of a spoiler here I love the fact that they teased the next season with the Knight of the Nine Kingdoms, because there's actually nine Kingdoms, not seven. And then I just started thinking about Mel Brooks and History of the World. I present to you these Seven. Nine. Nine Kingdoms. Yeah.
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B
So huge. Shout out to our friend Brian Blondell for this one because I wasn't going to watch it either, but he insisted. He said it was really, really good. And I'm like, okay, I'll watch the first one. And as soon as I watched the first one, I was hooked. I was just like, I loved it.
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A
The casting is phenomenal. Like, it was like, the dunk is great.
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B
Just great.
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A
Like, loved it. I loved it.
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B
So good. So good. What wasn't so good was the Night Agent season three. The Night Agent season two was so terrible that I was just like, oh, do I have to really watch season three? And there was nothing on this week. So it was like a weekend. We had nothing in the queue or the can, and we're like, like, okay, we'll give it a shot. And we just knocked it out last weekend and the last one on Monday, and it was really not very good. And the numbers show it. Everybody bailed after season two because season two was so terrible. It got like. It was down, like, you know, massive amounts from the premiere from the last season. The first season was actually terrible, too, but it came at a time when, you know, we were in a, you know, just a drought of content. So I think I will. If you haven't seen it, skip it. If you have seen it, you know what I'm talking about. So, okay, and here's. Here's what this comes from. The Dear God, why? Files. But then I finally got to the point where I'm like, okay, maybe director Adam Wingard has bailed on the long gestating sequel he was co writing with Simon Barrett with no explanation beyond moving on. And we're talking about here. Face Off 2. Face Off 2, they switch faces back this time. They switch again. They go back to the where it was, but they also bring their family members to switch faces, too. So they're now grown children. Swap faces along with them. But I don't. They could be fun. I mean, come on. The only thing that gets me is bring John Woo back because he made that movie. I mean, I still have a soft spot in my heart for Face Off. I worked on that movie. I met John Woo on that movie, and I got a soft spot for it. That's why I'm like, don't do another One, don't do another one. But if you are going to do it, just go find John Woo. I don't think he's doing much these days.
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A
Well, coming from the exact same place. Dear God, why? And then. Okay, well, maybe we've been talking about this for a bit, but Hulu has officially greenlit a pilot of Ryan Cooper Coogler's X Files reboot, a project three year in the making.
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B
Okay.
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A
Don't know how I feel about this. If you don't know Ryan coogler. He had 16 Oscar nominations for Sinners, including Best Original Screenplay and Best Picture. He also wrote and directed Creed, Black Panther and Black Panther Wakanda Forever. As you can guess, there might be some African American people playing the main characters in this reboot. Absolutely. So maybe, I don't know, X Files is something I feel so complicated about anyways, because I so dearly loved it and they so dearly botched it all up at the end and made me not care about it as much as I probably should. I probably remember it a lot more fondly than it. Than it is actually good.
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B
So, yeah, it's terrible. Don't go back and rewatch it. It's terrible.
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A
So. From the. Dear God, why. But, but okay, maybe here we are again.
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B
Have you seen Sinners yet?
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A
I have. It's phenomenal.
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B
Oh, so good. So good. Yeah. And. And everything else.
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A
Maybe.
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B
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, he's awesome. So, you know, if anybody. It's in good hands. It's in good hands. You know, we'll see.
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A
The Smoking man better be smoking blunts. That's all I got to say.
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B
It's Snoop.
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A
Oh, God, if they don't cast him.
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B
Oh, that would be fucking awesome. Oh, well, we finally got the official. The final official trailer for Mortal Kombat 2, which comes out May 8th. I am so in for this movie. This will probably be the last thing that Warner Brothers ever does. That's good.
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A
So even that's debatable.
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B
Yeah, I'm definitely not going to see Mortal Kombat 3, but the first Mortal Kombat, the first in this series, was amazing. They did it justice. They did the whole story justice. And, you know, coming from a Mortal Kombat super fan, spending years of my life playing Mortal Kombat 2 and 1, 2 and 3, not so much one, but I started with two. And I had a Mortal Kombat 2 and 3 in my house for years. So this also has a soft spot in my heart, you know, I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it. And Johnny Cage. I can't wait. You know, there better be a goddamn good Scorpion Johnny Cage fight in there, because that is the best pair up in the actual game itself. So we'll see. And in your neck of the woods, Brian. Google just acquired producer AI and plans to plug it into its Lyra 3 Music model under Google Labs, letting anyone type, make it a lo fi beat and spit out fully formed tracks in minutes. You can prompt the lyrics, instruments, vibe, and basically outsource the entire creative process. And Google says it's about enhancing human artistry the same way an AI filmmaker enhances cinema. Well, reports of the early demos come back that it's. Yeah, fucking generic.
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A
Shocking.
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B
Shocking. Yeah.
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A
I tried to listen to the Dropping Names and Other Things podcast. This is the Jonathan Franks and Brent Spiner. We're not going to talk about just Star Trek. Okay. Maybe we're going to talk about a lot of Star Trek. Okay. I guess if we don't talk about Star Trek, nobody's going to listen to this podcast. Yeah, I've listened to the first episode with LeVar Burton. It was all right. They. They had a gimmick where they rang a bell every time they dropped a name. And as you can guess, that got tiresome within about 20 seconds.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I don't know if I'm gonna go back and listen anymore. It was fine.
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B
So when you put this in here, I went and clicked on it. And the latest episode is with Nathan Fillion and Alan Tudyk from the Once We Were Spacemen podcast. Also Firefly and everything else under the sun. And so I started to listen to it and I gotta say, the audio quality threw me off.
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A
It's not great.
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B
It's bad. It's bad.
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A
They are obviously just like literally sitting around a table with maybe. What were those mics called?
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B
The fucking Blue Yetis.
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A
The Blue Yeti right there.
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B
Yeah. It's really, you know, disconcerting how bad it is for that, that level of quality. Now if you go to the Once We Were Spacemen podcast, which I think I pimped a couple weeks ago on the show with Nathan Filling and Alan Tudyk, that show is top notch quality. I mean, absolutely top notch. They're both, you know, voice actors, so they have home studios. It sounds amazing. There's the people who produce the show is Nathan Fillion's production company. So right there you got something good behind it. And they actually did, in their last episode, they did a name drop thing too, which is actually pretty fun. They did they did a funnier take on it than ringing a bell? They have a little, little bit and it was. It was actually entertaining. I highly recommend Once We Were Spaceman, the podcast. That one I listen to all the time. But yeah, I don't think.
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A
Think.
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B
Dropping names, I don't think that's. I don't think that's got legs at all. Apps and doodads.
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A
Well, OpenAI is reportedly hard at work developing a series of AI powered devices including smart glasses, a smart speaker, and a smart lamp. All of them will use more power than the entirety of human evolution up until now. God. According to reporting by the information, the AI company has a team of over 200 employees dedicated to the project. Why do they need employees? Can't they just have the AI make the AI?
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B
Dude, they've got Johnny, I've. What are you talking about, Johnny?
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A
Aive, the first project scheduled to be released is reported to be a smart speaker that would include a camera, allowing it to better absorb information about its users and surroundings.
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B
No.
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A
I wonder if anybody had thought of that before. Oh, I only have 20 in my house already and I've had them for almost a decade. Wow. How groundbreaking, guys.
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B
Yeah. Never. Never would have thought I'd think of that one.
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A
According to a person familiar with the project, this would extend to identifying objects on a nearby table. Hey, is that a fucking pencil? How many gallons of water do we use for that? Jesus Christ. The camera will support facial recognition feature similar to what other people have already.
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B
Okay, okay, so we're not really breaking new ground here, is what you're saying.
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A
No, they're going to do some powered smart glasses, you know, like Meta has, and other people as well. Oh, but the lamp. Nobody has a smart lamp yet.
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B
Nobody thought of the lamp.
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A
We can put AI into a smart lamp.
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B
How much ketamine did they have to take before they figured out, dude, we put it in the lamp?
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A
Reportedly it may be a lava lamp.
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B
I would buy that. That would be cool. Oh, man. You know. You know what, though? I'm not saying that these guys are the right guys to do it. I'm not saying that Meta is the right people to do that. This type of technology where you can have glasses on that tell you what's around you, guess who it's good for? The Blind.
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A
Blind people.
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B
The blind. Exactly.
- [51:43]
A
But why do we need that when we've got Elon's company that kills monkeys that puts things directly into your brain.
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B
Oh, that's right. That's coming too. Never mind.
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A
Okay. We don't need this stuff.
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B
What we do, we put a lamp
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A
into our brains directly.
- [51:58]
B
So when you get an idea literally lights up above your head.
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A
Unfortunately, my brain is the lava lamp. It's just globs.
- [52:07]
B
Exactly. If you leave it on too long, it explodes. Well, we got some new Instagram news. Instagram says it'll start notifying parents if their teens repeatedly search for suicide or self harm related terms. Rolling out the us, uk, Australia and Canada in the coming weeks. Repeatedly. You can, if you search for it once, you're off the hook.
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A
So up to five times I can contemplate suicide before it pings my dad.
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B
Yeah, great. Says the app already blocks that content and pushes helplines. But now it'll ping mom and dad too, assuming both accounts have supervision turned on. The move lands as Meta fights lawsuits over addicting kids and failing to protect them, while regulators in places like the UK and Australia tighten the screws with age checks and outright bans. Instagram says it worked with experts to avoid alert spam. Okay, hold on a second.
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A
Did the experts mention to the people at Instagram that perhaps they don't use Instagram to search? Maybe they're going to Google or going into ChatGPT.
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B
ChatGPT nowadays to search.
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A
Just saying.
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B
Just saying. Okay.
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A
Remember the good old days when we had Dark sky, the weather app that mostly worked even in Southern California, when I was right along the beach.
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B
I miss it. I miss it. It did not work in San Francisco that much, but if you're inland, it did. If you were on the beach, if you're fucked. Yeah, but yeah.
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A
So Apple acquired them in 2020 and basically killed them off by 2022 and integrated much of its tech into its native iOS weather app. Although you wouldn't know it because it still works like crap.
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B
It sucks.
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A
Never as good as Dark sky ever did. But they are back. Did the Dark sky people, the team behind it, have a new iPhone app called Acme Weather, named straight out of a Bugs Bunny cartoon?
- [53:47]
B
What if they had to pay David Zaslav any money for that?
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A
It is not free. You get a one week free trial. So I downloaded it to give it a go. But it's 20 bucks a year after that or no $25 a year. Sorry. There's an iOS version now. An Android version is forthcoming. It is not pretty. Dark sky was very pretty.
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B
Yeah, that was what made Dark Sky Dark sky.
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A
Which is why Acme Weather is not that interesting to me and I will not be paying $25. I have already canceled these subscriptions. That starts Automatically when you download it. I mean, it gives you the seven
- [54:18]
B
day trial or whatever. Seven day trial.
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A
And I will be removing it from my phone. And it's just. I didn't see much of a difference. What they're trying to do is they're. They're trying to basically consolidate all the different weather forecasts from different sources and give you a prediction. It's a prediction market for weather, except you can't bet on it. That's coming soon. Probably.
- [54:37]
B
Probably. Probably. Yeah. I mean, it's an interesting idea. I pay 25 a year for carrot weather already, so I'm not going to spend another 25 for another weather app. Carrot does exactly what I need it to do and it lets me pick which leather. Like leather. That's the leather. Stations are in the Castro now. The weather station, like local weather stations. I can pick which one's like near to my house. That actually gives me up to the date. Closer, closer weather. It's really good. They just integrated the Weather Channel data this week too, and did some other new stuff. Highly recommend carrot weather. It works great for me.
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A
Cool.
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B
Yeah. And it's snarky and it's funny and you know, it's like a one guy show too. So I always like to help single parent developers, I guess. Oh, back to the smart glasses. A hobbyist just dropped an Android app that alerts you if someone nearby might be wearing smart glasses like Meta's Ray Bans, which we've seen all over mainstream media this week. I just want to talk about it a little bit because the mainstream media gets a shit ton of it wrong. It scans for specific Bluetooth signatures tied to Meta Exotica and Snap and throws up a notification if it detects what looks like a pear. With reports that Meta is exploring facial recognition features for its glasses. The developer calls this a small act of resistance against creeping surveillance. So it's not perfect. It still fucks up every now and again, but, you know, it's a start. It's an interesting way. Like, it's a good proof of concept, I think. So we'll. We'll see how that pans out. But yeah, this shit was all over the news this week.
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A
I hope they called it class holes.
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B
The Dark side with Dave. Welcome to the Dark side with Dave with podcaster who never stops sleeping. That didn't come out right because I can't read today. Hi, Dave Bittner. How are you today?
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D
Oh, it just. You just woke me up.
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B
I know.
- [56:29]
D
There you go, sleeping through life.
- [56:31]
B
Yeah.
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A
Sleepy Dave.
- [56:33]
D
Sleepy, sleepy Dave. Yep. Snoozing and snoring. Absolutely.
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A
I know why you listen to that guy's podcast, Sleepy Dave.
- [56:41]
D
There you go. Yeah, that's me.
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B
Flubs aside. How are you doing today, Dave?
- [56:47]
D
Oh, hanging in there. We'll get to that.
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A
Excellent. Okay, well, I'll bring us in then. Dave, you are the person that introduced me to the Strong Songs podcast by Kirk Hamilton, which I, I enjoy. I listen to it religiously and I every time I an episode comes out, I listen to it right away. This last weekend he released a new episode and I was taking my kid to his swim class where I basically just walk in minus 30 degree weather to get to a 90 degree humid pool and sit there with the same clothes on for 45 minutes. But it's always a good time to listen to a podcast, particularly one of about that length. So I started the the latest episode of Strong Songs Under Pressure by Queen and David Bowie. I did not expect to be openly weeping at a at my kids swim practice, but I did find myself doing so. This is one of the best episodes he's ever done. First off, of course, it's a great song anyways, but when he breaks it down and relates it to everything that we're kind of dealing with right now as people in the society, wow.
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D
It's the terror of knowing what this world's all about. You mean that part?
- [58:04]
A
Boy, it hits. It hit hard.
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D
Yeah, I'm with you. And I listened to it the past couple days on my way into work and one of my colleagues here,
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A
the
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D
person who does a heads up our editing team, came into my office and he was like, did you hear the new Strong Songs Under Pressure? Yeah, it's really, really good. It's really good. But yeah, to your point about Kirk Hamilton's call out about the relevance of this song to modern listeners, it really got me thinking about my emotional capacity and it's kind of related to. Remember last week I shared that Dead Grandma video.
- [58:57]
A
Yes, thank you for that. I had almost forgotten about it.
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B
Yes, that was. Oh my God. I watched that after the show and I was just like, oh, that's, I don't have kids. And I was just like, oh, yeah.
- [59:09]
D
So it's a sentence I never thought I'd utter, you know, after last week's show with a Dead Grandma video. But it got me thinking about how in general I don't like horror movies. I particularly don't like things with jump scares because as I've shared many times, I have a hair trigger startle reflex and it is just Unpleasant for me. So because of that, I avoid certain types of movies. But what listening to strong songs made me realize is that how much I've been protecting myself because of the amount of things that require emotional energy that are being forced upon me and us, that we have no choice but to deal with that I'm limiting my exposure to other things that maybe during different times I would try out.
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A
Right.
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D
You know, like my son would say, oh, I really think you should see this movie. And I'm like, is it scary? He's like, yeah, I'm like, no, I'm good.
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A
I'm out. Yeah, yeah, I'm all full. I, I'm scared enough.
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B
Right?
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D
Right. And I just read the news. So I don't have the capacity for like, the pleasurable expenditures of that kind of emotional energy because I feel so drained just from the day to day, everyday things that we're being bombarded with. Does that make sense?
- [60:43]
A
That makes complete sense. Because my relation to that is actually through what I listen, the music I'm listening to. Because I tend to enjoy either extremely sad, you know, think the Cure, Depeche Mode or extremely angry. Nine Inch Nails, Hard industrial. That's my like, default setting for music. I, I like that stuff. I like the way it makes me feel. I can't fucking listen to it right now. I just can't. I'm already too depressed and too angry to listen to depressing and angry music. I find myself having to listen to just like bubblegum because show tunes, my friend, show tunes. I'm listening to the you guys listen to.
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B
Right? Right.
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A
And I hate it. But it's all I can do right now because literally, like, I, I, I'm already too deep into those emotions that I can't do what I would normally pleasurably listen to that sits in those emotional contexts.
- [61:45]
D
Right.
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B
Brian's gonna come in next week singing the theme to Carousel.
- [61:50]
A
Dude, it's so bad. I'm listen in the fucking Sunshine Band
- [61:56]
D
get down tonight. Yeah, I, I, I think there's nothing shameful. Well, I think there's nothing shameful you probably do in those kinds of guilty pleasures of empty calories of music, you know, sometimes I, I just need to turn on and crank up Safety Dance, you know.
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A
No, I, look, I, I, I like that stuff as well, you know, give me, give me a good 80s synth pop playlist, you know, that's all happy and bouncy, right? But my point being, like, that's all I can listen to right now because I can't listen to anything Darker or heavier?
- [62:33]
D
Yeah, yeah, yeah. To that point. Like, there have been times in my life when I relied on certain types of media to help enable an emotional release when I needed one. That feels like I'm talking. Talking about porn, but I'm not.
- [62:52]
A
That's. If you would have struck the emotional release from that statement, I would have been concerned.
- [62:57]
D
No. Like, sometimes if I felt just pent up and like, I need a good cry, you know, like there was like a scene.
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A
Sounds like porn.
- [63:05]
D
Yeah, I know. Scenes from Saving Private Ryan.
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A
Right.
- [63:09]
D
You know, like, just like. Oh, just. And it's not. It's. It's weeping. It's like you were saying, it's weeping. It's not.
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A
Not.
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D
It's not crying because you're sad. It's weeping because you. There's no alternative emotional release. And sometimes that can be healthy to do. And as men, we tend not to do that.
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A
So anyway, completely save it for being beside a pool in the middle of.
- [63:34]
D
Right.
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A
Swim lesson. Right. That's when men cry. That's what I hear.
- [63:41]
D
All the moms are looking at me
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A
like, who the is this guy?
- [63:47]
D
Who's that guy in the long black
- [63:48]
A
trench coat watching kids in bathing suits? Yeah.
- [63:54]
D
Okay. Yeah. So I guess it's good to be self aware of these things. But I throw it on the pile of things that makes me sad for the time that we're in and hopeful that I have enough time left that this too shall pass. And perhaps we'll have happier days like we've had in the past, where I don't think about some of the things that I think about every day because they're just being taken care of and handled.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. All right, let's move along on a completely different level. Matthew wrote in this video explains the lore of Coruscant. It's pretty cool. And there's a YouTube link which will be in the show notes. I did. I watched about the first 25 seconds of this and then even my super geeky brain tuned out. So, yeah.
- [64:49]
D
Yeah, I skimmed through it and it's cool. It is. If you want to take a deep, deep, deep dive into Star wars planet nerdiness, here's your chance. It is well researched and pretty completely. So that's fun. Yeah. It reminded me of. There's a Robot Chicken joke, like a throwaway joke on Robot Chicken about planets that have a single biome, like the ice planet Hoth and desert planet Tatooine. And they went to a water planet and there's city planet, like, and wondering if because you know, Earth has many biomes, so why would an entire planet be a biome? So anyway, needless to say, there's lots of conversation online about whether or not this is possible, whether Earth is the outlier with our multiple biomes. And so if you want to dig into that. But I couldn't find the robot Chicken clip. But I'm pretty sure it's just a little throwaway thing, you know, in between the static.
- [65:58]
B
Right, Yeah, I watched it and I was at the end of it when I was scrubbing through, she got into fractals and how Coruscant was kind of laid out using fractal geometry. And it just really reminded me of KPT Fractal Explorer, the Kai's power Tools Fractal Explorer back in the day. So I just had to go find a link. There's a link in the show notes where you can see the old interface if you used to use. Brings back a little bit of the feels. Definitely.
- [66:22]
D
Yeah, it was. What a wild interface that was and playful back in the day. It also reminded me of KPT Bryce which was a landscape generator.
- [66:33]
A
Oh, I have an anecdote about Bryce. Do you know the band World Party Dave? It does put the message in the box way down. Now a bunch of songs that you'd probably recognize from that kind of 80s alternative vein. The lead singer, Carl. Well, it was basically a one man band. Carl Wallinger was a very good friend of mine. Mine. He passed away recently, unfortunately. But people who are big fans of his music were clamoring for for quite some time and particularly the 2000s because like he hadn't released any music for a while. And I can tell you the reason that he didn't release any music for a while is he discovered KPT Bryce and musicians are strange creatures at the best of times. And Carl was a, I'd say large to gigantic fan of smoking weed and combination. He spent four years doing nothing but making Bryce landscapes.
- [67:32]
D
Wow.
- [67:33]
B
Wow. It was probably one landscape and it took four years for it to render. Yeah, right.
- [67:39]
D
That's funny. I wonder how Bryce would run under emulation these days. I bet be pretty fast.
- [67:44]
A
Well, you get a Claudebot and Yeah,
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B
different architectures. I don't even know how that would work.
- [67:52]
D
Yeah, my recollection or my Bryce anecdote is right after it was released, me and one of my co workers who was a 3D rendering and animation guy, we were flying out to the NAB convention in Las Vegas from Maryland. And so when you do that, you fly over the part of the country. That looks like Bryce.
- [68:16]
B
Bryce Canyon.
- [68:16]
D
Yeah, Bryce. Yeah, exactly. And my friend and colleague had never seen that part of the country before. And I remember him looking out the airplane or the airplane window and saying, God, it looks just like Bryce. I know. Yeah, it does.
- [68:32]
B
Amazing, Amazing. I actually put a. I'll put a link in the show notes to this photo. This is a picture that I generated in Bryce on a. I think it was a. It was either a. I think this had to be a Quadra 840AV. It took about 36 hours to render.
- [68:46]
D
Wow.
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B
And it's just a little sci fi experiment that I did with a kind of. I was. I think I was listening to War of the Worlds or something. This was just a weird interpretation of a War of the Worlds thing that was just. It's. It's. It's garbage. It's throwaway. But I just. The time it took to render. I am so invested in this image. And then I printed it out out on. We had one of these printers at Kinko's that used basically melted wax to print. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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C
It was.
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B
That was. That was. This. This thing was printed on that, and then it was laminated disublimation.
- [69:18]
D
Is that what it was?
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B
I don't think it was Daiso. Okay. It was a. It was a different. It was a really weird technology. Yeah. That rarely worked. Was super expensive and goddamn slow.
- [69:28]
D
I remember those. Yeah. Wax. Waxy printers. Yeah.
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B
Yeah. We got rid of that thing for our first Fiery, which was great because it ran on an sgi. So that was my first SGI little Iris box. But yeah, so that was. This is my last remaining piece of Bryce art. So I threw it in there, actually. I'll post it on Discord. So go to the show channel on Discord, because I can't do images in the show notes. But yeah, it was fun. It was fun.
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D
Do you remember the Mac game Marathon?
- [69:56]
A
Oh, yeah, of course.
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B
Of course.
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D
He asks rhetorically. All right, let me post a link in here. So one of the things with Marathon is you could alter the shapes and the textures in the game, and then you could send and share that. Back in the day, I created a whole set of shapes called KPT shapes.
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B
Oh, no way.
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D
And evidently you can still download them. Looks like I created them on March 18, 1995.
- [70:32]
B
Wow.
- [70:32]
D
And yeah. So the Internet never forgets when you were making these.
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B
I was at Paramount working on the. On Star Trek First Contact with our friend Dave Riegler. And we had the entire department after hours playing Marathon. We had the entirety of our. The print division at Paramount wired up playing Marathon. Yes, it was great.
- [70:52]
D
Somewhere in this set of shapes and I. It's been lost to the tunnels of my mind. There is a corridor that you go down in Marathon that is now lined with pictures of my dog. It was an Easter egg I put in there, and I don't remember where or how. I just remember that I did it. So there it is. If anybody wants to patch a marathon with shapes inspired by Kai's power tools.
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B
Oh, man.
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D
One of the first things I think I probably shared on the Internet from way back when. 1995.
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B
Yeah, 30 years ago. 30 years ago. Crazy. So we're all Apple Watch users, right? Yes, we've all got our Apple Watches. I thought the upgrade To Apple Watch OS 26 was so really subpar. And I'm just like, I don't see what the big deal is. And I'm trying to get the thing, like the flip to mute thing to work. And I'm just. I'm not finding any of this stuff. And then I finally realized that I'd been stuck on the IO or the WatchOS beta 11 track because I'd manually set it to go on the beta downloads. And I never upgraded. And I'm sitting there beating my head against the wall. And so I finally got it installed and it kind of looks exactly the same except for the part where you type your number in, but. So I haven't found anything that exciting except the Notes app. The Notes app is in 26, but you gotta check your. I just went for months now wondering why is everybody. So this just doesn't work, right? I don't know.
- [72:34]
D
I tend to just sort of let my watch do its own thing. I don't pay a whole lot of attention to it, which is fine. It seems to be happy with that and gives me what I need. I did notice today, my car is in the shop today getting an oil change. And the shop called and left a message and my watch buzzed and the message was on my watch. It wanted to tell the recording of the message that they left was on my watch. And I don't think I'd seen that before. So that was cool.
- [73:06]
B
Yeah. Yeah. Now I'm excited to kind of dig into it now. And it still drives me crazy. I don't know if many people do this, but we've talked about the power user put the. The crown on the inside thing. Yep, I did that. I think we all do it. Yeah, I think we all do that now. And I see people out on the street, like, not. Not having it flipped around. It like. Like, you know, straight out of the box. I'm like, noob. Fucking noob.
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A
Yeah.
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D
The only trouble with that is if you're wearing heavy clothing, like in the wintertime, sometimes your sleeves can bump up against those buttons.
- [73:39]
B
Yeah. It's better than my wrist hitting the. The crown all the time. That was what would happen to me. It would just hit it all the time.
- [73:45]
D
A little dimple in your wrist there from where you're pumping up against it.
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B
Pretty much. Pretty much. And just some old school news. Mr. Clean has been retired at 68. So that. That made me sad, you know, because as. As we are getting older, talking about video games we've made. 35 years ago. Yeah, like that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Or 30 years ago. Yeah. It's kind of sad.
- [74:08]
D
He's in the retirement home with. Along with the Maytag repair man and Uncle Ben. Yeah.
- [74:14]
A
Well, one can assume Mr. Clean, given his look, has probably moved to Palm Springs.
- [74:18]
D
That's true.
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B
That's true. That's true.
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A
So, yeah, if, you know, you know.
- [74:23]
D
Well, I was gonna say the. Maybe he and the Maytag repair man are longtime companions.
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A
Maybe. Who knows?
- [74:32]
D
That reminded me of my childhood disappointment with scrubbing bubbles.
- [74:38]
A
Remember scrubbing bubbles? I have strong feelings about them. Do tell.
- [74:40]
B
I love scrubbing bubbles.
- [74:42]
D
Yeah. So I found this old commercial from the 70s of scrubbing bubbles. And I remember watching TV, probably the price is Right or something, and seeing the commercials for scrubbing bubbles, going to the grocery store with my mom and just begging her to buy a can of scrubbing bubbles. Because I wanted to see the little bubble guys scrubbing the tub. And we got home and I sprayed the tub, and it was just foam. And I was like, what the hell?
- [75:16]
B
I've been lied to. Yeah, I've been lied to. False advertising.
- [75:20]
D
I thought. I really thought little. Little guys with eyes and little scrubby things were going to come out of this spray can and clean the tub for me. And so I lost a little bit of innocence that day.
- [75:32]
A
Well, I prepared you for the world we live in now.
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B
You're going to be so mad at me, Dave. There was a. There was a giveaway that they had with scrubbing bubbles, and you could get toy scrubbing bubbles. And I had the toy little scrubbing bubbles, little plastic guys when I was a kid. Oh, I had like, three of them. Great. Okay. Ebay, here we come. Oh, man. I was just. Just thinking about old, old tech this week, too. I was doing a chat with somebody and it was. I'm going through this stuff with the bankruptcy that I'm dealing with, and I have to. Had to do this class and I had to talk to a person afterwards. And it's just a generic online chat and I'm typing things into the text box and I'm doing this thing where I'm like. I was type something, then I would erase it, then I would type something else and then erase it. And I'm just like. It reminded me of icq, because icq, back in the day, you could see what other people were typing. I didn't know that the first time I got on ICQ and I was talking to a girl I liked and I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to say to her. And I'm typing this, deleting it, typing it, deleting it, typing it, deleting it. And then she's like, are you okay? I'm like, what do you mean? She's like, I can see everything you're typing. And I'm like, oh, shit. Yeah. It was not a great day. It was not a great day. Yeah, we didn't last long. Let's just say that you found him.
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D
Is that right? Is that the guy?
- [77:12]
B
Close enough. I mean, my memory doesn't last last week. It's close enough. Yeah, yeah. How much is he?
- [77:18]
D
Oh, that's a good question. He is currently 16.99 or best offer.
- [77:24]
A
What a deal.
- [77:24]
B
Wow.
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A
Vintage 1990.
- [77:27]
B
This is not the one I had then. No, no, I was a kid, so we're probably looking 70s, right?
- [77:35]
D
Yeah. Well, there are lots of them on here, so it seems like this was a thing for a while.
- [77:40]
B
Yeah. But. Yep. Yeah, it was very similar. Yeah. Very similar. So get it and fill out your collection, Dave. You can fill him with some scrubbing bubbles and then squirt him and move him around the tub.
- [77:53]
D
Yeah, maybe I'll do that.
- [77:54]
B
Make him do his thing.
- [77:55]
D
Maybe I'll do that. I just. Yeah. I mean, this gives me the category of things that I would love to have, but I really don't need and. And don't have a place for. So I'll just pretend I'll look at it and imagine that I have it.
- [78:08]
A
But I have an entire folder of bookmarks in my browser that is just stuff like that. It's stuff that I think is really neat that I'm probably never going to purchase, never going to get. Just. I like it.
- [78:19]
D
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
I got one last thing that I gotta. I gotta run past you. Guys, today, speaking of weird things that I don't need that I.
- [78:26]
A
Whatever.
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B
So for Christmas, my. My bathroom is usually a. A cornucopia of fart sprays because I'm a dude and I. I need to have a very fresh smelling bathroom because my bathroom is right next to my roommate's office and she would like it smelling fresh. So for Christmas, she got me start
- [78:45]
A
with looking at your diet if it's affecting the other room.
- [78:48]
B
Yeah, she got me these little travel packs. People who are watching on YouTube can see this right now. It is a poo pourri travel sprayer. And they're amazing. But as I got them, I look at it and I look at the back of it, and on the back there's a little. Which looks like a WI FI symbol and it says tap poo win. And I'm like, what is this? It says simply tap your phone above to gain exclusive access right now. And it says spritz tap and poo. There is is an RFID tag built into this little disposable fart spray bottle. So you can download an app so you can I.
- [79:31]
A
So you can watch my poops.
- [79:33]
B
My poops actually have a eula now is what I'm trying to get to.
- [79:37]
A
Wow.
- [79:37]
B
Okay. We have gone too far. We've absolutely.
- [79:45]
A
Yeah. Great. Now we're gonna have to make that URL because somebody's gonna type it in.
- [79:49]
B
No, don't go to there. Don't go there. I was just like, how much technology do we actually need, guys?
- [79:56]
A
Not as much as we have. That is for sure.
- [79:58]
D
Now, is that the one that you spray in the bowl to create the little film of oil that keeps the stink from. No. Okay.
- [80:05]
B
No, this is you spritz the room before you drop trowel, and then it permeates while you go, and then it. Then it cleans the air. And they're wildly effective. And they're I. And this little. One of these little guys, she got me two of these. Has lasted me from Christmas till now. And it's only half gone, so they're a fantastic value for the price, I must say.
- [80:25]
D
Is this like part of your daily carry that you get up in the morning and you put on your watch and you put that in your pocket?
- [80:31]
B
No, I do have it in my backpack when I go out along with some dude wipes.
- [80:35]
A
Gives new mean to the go bag.
- [80:37]
B
Yeah, it is. That is my go bag for sure. That's all I got, guys.
- [80:44]
D
Yeah, that's enough.
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A
I think we're good.
- [80:47]
D
Yeah. See you next time.
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A
Bye, Dave.
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B
See you next time. Closing Shout Out. Over at Patreon, we've got some new patrons. Woohoo, Restikin, Rastoken, Jeremy and Andrew and Lars and Disloyal broom up their pledges. So thank you very much. And we'd also like to thank Vinnie, Ivan, Kevin, Sarah, Bob, the Bear, Runner, 609, Petey, Lonnie, Richard and W for your continued support.
- [81:14]
A
Thank you all so much. And over at PayPal we have donations from Joseph, Jens, Ronald, Charlie, John with 25 bucks and Corey with $36.51.
- [81:23]
B
Over at the tip jar, we've got Kathleen, Gabriel and Jennifer. Thank you all very much. And just a reminder, if you'd like to help support the show, which we really need, pretty pleased with sugar on top. Go to gog.showdonate or patreon.com gog if you go to Patreon, you get the show early ad free and in high definition, as early as I can get it. Because this is a sprint. This is a sprint. Not a marathon to get this thing out the door. But everything, every little set helps keep the show on the air. And we mean that from the bottom of our black little hearts.
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A
That's right. And we had a little bit of news earlier about talking about being old and well, we've lost the king Nerd. Jason.
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B
Yes, I saw.
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A
Robert Carradine has died at age 71. He unfortunately took his own life. He had been struggling with over two decades with bipolar disorder and ultimately it got the best of him. This article on Deadloc Line says the actor is best known for his roles in the Long Riders. No, he's best known for his role in Revenge of the Nerds.
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B
Yeah, period. I didn't know he was in anything else. Actually. I didn't know. I didn't know he had a career outside of Revenge of the Nerds.
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A
Nor did I. I guess he was on Lizzie McGuire as well. You know, obviously famous older brother Keith Carradine as well. But yeah, so sad to hear Robert Carradine has passed.
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B
Yeah, too bad, too bad.
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A
And a big thank you to everyone that has chimed in with their thoughts regarding 3D printers. I have been inundated with your thoughts about it. It's all been very useful and helpful. So thank you all so much.
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B
Awesome. Awesome. Well, until next time. I'm Jason DeFilippo.
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A
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