738: A Sprinkling of Random

Summary

Grumpy Old Geeks, Episode 738: "A Sprinkling of Random"

Hosts: Jason DeFillippo, Brian Schulmeister, with Dave Bittner
Date: March 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this spirited and sharply irreverent edition, Jason, Brian, and Dave tear through the week’s most “inshittified” tech news, layoffs, AI chaos, corporate hypocrisies, and internet nostalgia — serving their signature blend of rants, sarcasm, and hard-won wisdom. They break down the latest in AI job panic, tech company layoffs, increasingly scammy subscription models, copyright battles, and shifting tides in media and culture. Generous tangents into generational pop culture (hello, Evel Knievel) and the absurdities of digital life round out this characteristically grumpy, hilarious discussion.

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Key Discussion Highlights

1. Podcast Anniversary & Industry Reflections

[00:42–03:11]

• The show marks its 13th anniversary, reflecting on lessons learned since the first episode ("How to Make Money on the Internet").
• Brian: “We did it backwards… It's not working so well.” [01:49]
• Jason laments early podcast mistakes but notes improvement over time, with banter about drinking on-air.

2. AI Layoff Blame Game

[03:11–06:09]

• Companies (Block, Amazon, Atlassian) increasingly cite AI as justification for layoffs, often disingenuously.
  • Only 9% say AI actually replaced roles; 59% use it to appease investors; 90% say no real impact—“yet.”
• Jason’s firsthand account of advanced AI coding tools:
  • “For $400 a month, you can do an app a day... It’s insane. Programmers...are not going to be writing code, they're going to be writing specs.” [04:44]
• Both hosts agree: experienced coders may survive by pivoting to spec writing, but junior programmers are endangered.

3. The “AI-Free” Movement & Labeling Debates

[06:11–09:11]

• Discusses the push for “AI Free” labels—akin to organic stickers—but feels it's mostly a money grab, with unclear standards.
• Notable Quote:
  • Jason: “These people are working on the, the human creativity side and the...AI free label. This is just another scam...and I bet they'll use AI to determine whether the product is AI free or not.” [07:26]
• Lament: AI vs. Machine Learning distinctions are lost, muddying everything from spellcheckers to content generation.

4. Marc Andreessen, Tech Sociopaths & No Accountability

[09:11–13:36]

• Riff on viral video where Andreessen claims self-introspection is modern—and the insanity of unchecked tech leadership.
• Brian: “All these fucking rich guys...have no one that calls them on their bullshit. They just start to believe their own shit. Nobody tells them to shut the fuck up.” [10:48]
• Link to poly-market betting—and how online betting is leading to death threats and dangerous manipulation of journalism.

5. Layoffs at Atlassian and Meta—Excuses and Exasperation

[13:57–18:38]

• Atlassian lays off 10%, blames “future of teamwork in the AI era.”
  • “I'd be fine if they cut 100% of the workforce. Personally, that's just me.” — Jason [15:02]
• Meta rumored to prep layoff of 20% workforce, despite staggering profits per employee.
• Meta’s “Inshittification”: Facebook/Instagram are now “ad & reel machines,” no longer social.
• Brian: “They're just media companies. Well, speaking of meta…”

6. AI F*ckups: Meta’s Bots Cause Data Leaks

[18:38–20:12]

• Meta AI agent impersonates engineer, exposes sensitive data—shades of “intern” errors but now at machine speed.
• Historic and recent bot blunders, like total inbox deletion via poorly scoped AI.

7. Encryption, Meta, and User Data

[20:12–22:37]

• Meta backs away from Instagram DM encryption, citing low user adoption.
  • “Of course...when encryption isn't the default, most people never dig through the settings...” — Jason [21:10]
• Meta Verified now offers the long-sought clickable in-caption links—at a price.

8. Copyright Battles: OpenAI, Britannica, and AI Video

[24:19–27:45]

• Encyclopedia Britannica sues OpenAI for copyright and trademark violations; claims hallucinations are falsely attributed to them.
  • Brian: “The Britannica never said to add glue to pizza.” [25:45]
• Senators decry ByteDance’s Sea Dance 2.0 (AI video) as a threat to American IP—years after the problem began.

9. Financial Shysters: Trump Media, TikTok Deal, and Billionaire Grift

[28:01–33:15]

• Trump Media's epic losses and pivots to crypto and fusion.
• Trump admin's $10B “fee” for approving TikTok’s US deal, and prior government grifts.
  • “If Obama forgot to tip the guy at Starbucks, they would have fucking...three hours of Fox News coverage on it.”— Jason [30:04]
• Billionaires renege on Buffett’s Giving Pledge; charitable talk now redirected to political influence and “philanthropic” businesses.

10. Subscription “Inshittification” and Lawsuits

[33:15–36:59]

• Washington Post uses AI for dynamic surge pricing based on user data—“how much it can squeeze out of you…”
• Adobe pays a wrist-slap $75M fine for dark patterns in subscription cancellation.
  • Jason: “That should have another zero at the end of it...This is another grift.” [35:40]

11. AI Tool Update and Password Woes

[36:59–42:01]

• Google’s new “Stitch” app for AI-generated front-end design stands out by actually providing instructions and documentation.
• AI-generated passwords shown to be dangerously predictable.
  • Jason: “It finds the most popular basic password. So it gives you 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.” [41:17]

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Pop & Media Culture

Media Candy

[44:26–55:08]

• Kids’ Movies: High praise for Zootopia 2 and later Shrek sequels—better jokes for adults.
• Star Trek: Starfleet Academy finale aired, overall positive reception, but Jason can’t remember details.
• Dune Part 3: Official teaser trailer out—hype, but disappointment that some storylines won’t make it. Rebecca Ferguson gets one scene.
  • “She’s my favorite, she’s beautiful. But we should get a lot of Anya Taylor-Joy…” — Brian [48:32]
• Hulu’s Paradise: Season 2 dips into “mediocre dystopian” territory.
• Mars Express: French anime hailed as “near-perfect”; 100% on Rotten Tomatoes.
  • “Hell, no. Not appropriate for kids.” — Jason [50:37]
• Firefly returns: As an animated series bridging the end of the show and the movie. Wash is back!
• Buffy reboot: Canceled—executives weren’t fans, scripts didn’t deliver, and wrong creative team.
• Reflection on Joss Whedon: Acknowledgment that his unique voice defined those shows, and it may be irreproducible.

Nostalgia Rants

[54:23–80:02]

• V for Vendetta is 20 years old: “It has more legs now… predicting bellwethers.”
• Extended discussion with Dave Bittner on media consumption:
  • Kids now binge and revisit shows endlessly, unlike earlier generations.
  • “All the media and properties that my child has gotten into, nothing has stuck as much as Gravity Falls.” — Brian [55:49]
  • “We all had this shared pop culture thing because it was all that was on...” — Dave [61:50]
  • Remembering Evel Knievel: from childhood idol to cautionary tale, and his iconic toy “Stunt Cycle.”

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Timestamps for Notable Segments

• AI Job Layoffs & Spec Writing: 03:11–06:09
• AI-Free Labels & ML vs. AI: 06:09–09:09
• Marc Andreessen & Tech Egomania: 09:11–13:36
• Meta/Atlassian Layoffs & Platform Inshittification: 13:57–18:38
• Meta’s Internal AI Mishaps: 18:38–20:12
• Media Candy (Movies/TV): 44:26–55:08
• Billionaire Giving Pledge Pullbacks: 30:48–33:15
• Dave Bittner Joins (Pop Culture Deep-Dive): 55:09–80:02

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Memorable Quotes

• On AI layoffs:
  “I have seen...with the tools that are out there right now, for $400 a month, you can do an app a day...It's insane.” — Jason [04:44]
• On tech business leaders:
  “All these fucking rich guys...have no one that calls them on their bullshit. They just start to believe their own shit.” — Brian [10:48]
• On modern social media:
  “They're just media companies. These are absolutely not social networks anymore. They're not.” — Brian [18:35]
• On billionaire “philanthropy”:
  “Some people, including Elon Musk, argue their companies themselves are philanthropy. Yeah, dude...Andreessen cocktail speaking.” — Jason [32:22]
• On subscriptions and consumer rights:
  "We disagree, but have $75 million because we think you’re wrong." — Brian (regarding Adobe, [35:14])

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Running Themes & Tone

• Sarcastic, exasperated, and unfiltered—the hosts take no prisoners as they roast tech industry hypocrisy, corporate greed, and the “randomizing” effects of modern AI and media.
• Sharp generational contrast: nostalgia for when tech, culture, and media fostered more meaningful connections, as opposed to today's algorithmic chaos.
• Ongoing frustration with AI hollowing out both tech jobs and digital authenticity.
• Lament for the collapse of shared pop culture, the “inshittification” of everything, and what it means for the next generation.

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Final Thoughts

This episode powerfully encapsulates the anxiety, cynicism, and gallows humor of lifelong tech and media veterans reckoning with a world overwhelmed by AI, subscription traps, and a loss of authenticity. It's a must-listen (or read!) for anyone seeking not only the week’s tech news but also context, critique, and cathartic laughter—plus the occasional loving trip down memory lane.

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[Compiled and structured for clarity and maximum grumpiness.]

Transcript

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[Brian Schoellmeister]

And I'm Brian Schoellmeister.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Brian, we got a little follow up this week and March 25, 2013 was the day that we launched our first episode, how to Make Money on the Internet.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Have we figured that out?

[Jason DeFilippo]

No, we have figured out what not to do. Podcasting. Definitely don't go into podcasting if you want to make money on the Internet.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Not necessarily true. You can get into podcasting if you appeal to the lowest common denominator. Make shit up all the time a la Joe Rogan. Or if you're already a celebrity.

[Jason DeFilippo]

I was going to say if you, if you do the. What was her name? What was Neil Gaiman's wife that you always bitched about? Amanda fucking Palmer. Amanda fucking Palmer, yeah, yeah. If you build up an audience on mainstream media and then take that audience,

[Brian Schoellmeister]

like complain about mainstream media.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yes, exactly.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

See, that's also Joe Rogan.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, exactly.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

So that's all those guys, that's Tucker Carlson. That's everybody that built their audience up through mainstream media that went, fuck mainstream media, man.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, we did it backwards. We did it backwards.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

It's not working so well.

[Jason DeFilippo]

And I just got to say, I listened to about 10 seconds of that episode. We were terrible.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Well, we, we

[Jason DeFilippo]

mince words. We're still pretty bad, but we were really, really bad.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah, well, we kind of figured out the technical aspect and we stopped drinking.

[Jason DeFilippo]

What do you mean we. You still drink but not on the show? Well, sometimes when we do a late night one, you still get back a few.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

One beer,

[Jason DeFilippo]

that's on you. I'd be fucking half halfway through the bottle if I was past 4 o'.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Clock. Well, that's why I'm still drinking and you're not.

[Jason DeFilippo]

That's true. That's true. Buzzing. Okay, little actual follow up here because, yeah, I mean, okay, so seriously, we're going into our 14th year. I thought we'd already done, you know, I, I, I thought we were finished 13, but I re, I remember that. Oh, no. Since you're into your 13th year, you can say you've been podcasting for 13 years. Some PR wonk told me that. I'm like, well, technically, not really, but they're like, lie. I'm like, okay, now I, in my head. Whatever.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

I, I think at this point we should pretend we just started over, we're brand new.

[Jason DeFilippo]

I think we should, I think we should. Let's get some of that, that new release juice. Say, fuck it. Well, just, we'll just rebrand to grumpier old geeks. Right.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

And older.

[Jason DeFilippo]

I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's possible. So we've been talking about AI job cuts in the past couple weeks. And so here we go. Companies from Block to Amazon are increasingly blaming job cuts on AI even when the technology had little to do with it, which we've said many times. A survey of hiring managers found 59% say that they highlight AI and layoff announcements, but because it sounds better to investors than admitting financial problems. And only 9% say AI has actually replaced roles.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Significant difference there. About 50%.

[Jason DeFilippo]

A little bit.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah. So in 2025, AI was cited just 4.5% of the time for layoffs, while nearly 90% of executives say it hasn't meaningfully affected employment yet. Yet. I said, but we're restructuring around AI. Sounds like growth while we're overhired during the pandemic. So sounds like a mistake now. That said, Brian, I have had some time this past couple weeks to actually spend with actual AI, like top tier AI coders who are using the tools and who know how to code. They're like, these are no joke coders. And the shit that I have seen would, would make your head spin. It actually is going to start taking people's jobs really fast, really like really soon.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Well, I think we, we knew that with programming, but it does bring up the whole, you know, downside of that, which is no junior programmers, nobody learning the ropes, and nobody who knows the basics. Everybody just vibe codes in the future. And then what?

[Jason DeFilippo]

You're not going to need it. That's the thing, though. You're actually not going to need it. It is so good now. It is. I mean, I will talk offline and maybe we'll put together a special episode where you drink and I don't and release it to the fans. But there is some shit that I have seen that is like, with the tools that are out there right now, for $400 a month, you can do an app a day, like an actual iOS app a day that is feature complete. All you have to do is be really good about spec writing and knowing how to pit the two or three different LLMs against themselves and it will do all the debugging for you. It's insane. It is insane. But it's all about knowing how to write a spec. So programmers in the future are not going to be writing code, they're going to be writing specs. And that's going to. That's what it's going to really come down to and more about that in a little bit.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

But yeah, that makes sense.

[Jason DeFilippo]

I was impressed. I was fucking impressed. And that takes a lot for me to be impressed by any bit of AI technology. I was impressed and depressed at the same time. I'm like, you mean, I spent 30 years learning how to learning that craft and it is absolutely worthless now. They're like, yeah, pretty much.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Doesn't matter. We aged out of coding anyways. Jason. We're actually probably. This is actually might even be good for us because you know what we are good at doing specs.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Writing specs. Yeah, I could, I can tell somebody else what to do all day long.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Me too.

[Jason DeFilippo]

I'm really good at that.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Oh, man. And there is now a global push to create an AI free label, basically the organic food sticker. But for human creativity, which I said when AI first came out, I'm like, there's going to be two things that we need to work focus on human created and people who are good at fact checking. So these people are working on the, the human creativity side and the, the AI free label. Now the thing about this is there's like a bunch of different groups trying to do this and nobody can actually come up with what they can say is AI free because it is so embedded in everything we do from. I mean, just basic spell checkers, which an LLM is just a spell checker on, you know, meth, steroids, ketamine and whatever else you can throw at Elon that day. You know what would help?

[Brian Schoellmeister]

But yeah, you know what it would help with coming. Well, first, two thoughts. So it's basically just like an organic food sticker, which means absolutely fucking nothing because there's no real standard.

[Jason DeFilippo]

There are standards for organic foods. No, there are absolutely standards for organic food.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

There are a couple, but they aren't applied across the board. Certainly not in the US and other places. And then secondly, I totally forgot what my second point was. Boom, gone.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Okay, okay, never mind. Here's my point about these people who are trying to make the AI Free labels. This is just another scam because they're going to charge people to say that their products are AI free. So. And I bet, I bet they'll use AI to determine whether the product is AI free or not.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Actually, I did remember what my point was. Now you know what would actually help us determine the difference and get rid of some of those gray areas like spell checks and things of that nature? If we finally brought back the difference between AI and machine learning.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Oh well, that thing we talked about for years and finally gave up the

[Brian Schoellmeister]

ghost that everybody gave up on and now it's all just blanket AI across the board. Yeah, that one.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah. A computer program is technically AI nowadays. That Texas Instruments calculator that you had in high school is probably considered AI by the standard of the day.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Because in my mind there is a big difference between a spell check that's built in that they call AI now and like using. Using one of these things to generate images. That's. They're completely different things. Absolutely different. And there's no doubt about that. There's a difference between. I wrote half my song using one of these AI generated song generators and I was in Microsoft Word and fucking Clippy on steroids just corrected my grammar.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah. Yep. I mean it comes down to like what's a prediction engine, what's not a prediction engine? What is. There are, there are nuances here and I don't think that anybody is going to. How do I put this so delicately, Brian? Actually give a fuck. I don't think they're going to actually give a fuck anymore. It is going to be so embedded in the day to day life that we have that nobody's going to give a fuck.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah, I agree.

[Jason DeFilippo]

So if anybody tries to sell you an AI Free label, tell them thank you very much, you gave it the office and go about your day. That's what I'm going to say. This was making the rounds and it just. I threw it in here before it was hip. There's this video of Marc Andreessen that has been going around for a podcast interview he did where he talks about. He's been saying that he has zero introspection and that the idea itself of self introspection is a modern invention which everybody on the fucking planet is called bullshit on. And B, I want to know A, what, what His. His nootropic stack is because he looks tweaked out of his gourd when he's talking here. And how does he. He actually believes this bullshit? I believe personally, the link will be in the show notes. Maybe I'll put a clip in here for the. For the. For the peoples. But what you have to understand is this is the mentality that I've been railing against for this guy and a 16Z since the fucking start. These guys are fucking weird, Brian.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

They are. They are. All these guys, all the tech CEOs, they have way too much money. It reminds me, I used to listen to the talk radio station before that got killed in Los Angeles. And they had a symposium where there was a whole bunch of people on. And Adam Carollo was one of them. And this is before he went crazy. He was kind of just the normal guy back then, and he was funny. And then they had this other guy, Frosty from the Frosty, Heidi and Frank show that I loved. And they were talking and Frosty was an older guy that's never gotten married and kind of schlubby, and his life was a total.

[Jason DeFilippo]

I had. I had a show.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah, kind of. And Adam Carolla said, you know what the problem with you, Frosty, is?

[Dave Bittner]

You're.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

You're. You. You got nobody helping you steer the ship. You're steering your own ship. And you're making bad choices constantly. You need a wife to call you on your bullshit. You need a friend to call you on your bullshit. All these fucking rich guys, they have no one that calls them on their bullshit. And they just fucking feed off the insanity that they've created. And they've got yes men around them all the time and they just start to believe their own shit. Nobody tells them to shut the fuck up. Nobody tells them, you look like shit in that shirt. Don't go out in that. Nobody.

[Jason DeFilippo]

The problem is, is that these guys have all the money and the people want to be around them because they make more money. So there's a case to be made here where Brian. And if you. If you look at the trends over when we started this show, the tech optimists versus the tech pessimists are doing financially way better than we are. We didn't go in for the bitcoin. We didn't go in for the nft. So we didn't make our. We didn't make our bag because we were actually speaking truth to power, which in the end of the day will get you in a fucking garage.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

So, you know, well, and as a bit more follow up and tying into both psychopaths and people just going in to make more money. The hat tip to Joseph, who sent this one. But this is something we were beating the drum on. And he said this is a new and unsurprising twist to poly market betting. Who would have thought that it would eventually lead to death threats when money and gambling are involved? And this is a. Gamblers trying to win a bet on polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don't rewrite an Iran missile story. And this is a Jewish reporter. Bettors are using death threats to try to get the Times of Israel's military correspondent to change his report on a missile impact in central Israel. This is his alarming account. The link is in the show notes. And who could have saw this coming? Jason, who could have saw this?

[Jason DeFilippo]

You? Anybody that listens to this show.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

First off, there's a gazillion problems with betting anyways. And again, another thing we've been beating the drum on on the show. Sports betting has gotten out of fucking hand. I kind of understood the initial beginning sports bet because there are outside reasons for teams to want to win, for both teams to always want to win. So you're betting on an unknowable outcome because both sides are actually trying to. The problem with being able to bet on anything is there aren't any stakes a lot of the times. And you can basically throw things. You can throw your fights. And we're going to see this. We are seeing this. We're seeing insider trading. We got to stop this. It's ridiculous. People are going to die.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Oh yes. People are probably already dying. Did you see that? The news came out today that the Major League baseball association, the MLB, has signed a $300 million deal with Polymarket. Yes. So what are you gonna do, Brian? What are you gonna do?

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Be angry as per usual.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Perfect. It's our bread and butter. Angry and poor. That's our butter. Yeah. I can't believe it's not butter in the news. Okay, Speaking of people who can't afford their bread or butter, Atlassian is the latest tech company trimming headcount in the name of A.I. yes. Here we go. The maker of Jira in Confluent say it's cutting about 10% of its workforce, roughly 1600 employees. As it quote unquote rebalances for the so called future of teamwork in the AI era and pushes harder into enterprise sales. Now the layoffs are mostly here in North America with additional cuts in Australia and India, and will cost the company up to $236 million in restructuring charges alone. That's expensive. CEO Mike Cannon Brooks insists this isn't about AI replacing people, just changing which jobs are needed. Okay, nice word salad there, Mike. Investors seem fine with that explanation, nudging the stock up slightly after hours. Meanwhile, the company's CTO is stepping down, and the restructuring is expected to wrap up by the end of the year. Now, Brian, I've been forced to use Atlassian software many, many times in my career, and I'd be fine. I'd be fine if they cut 100% of the workforce. Personally, that's just me.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

You know, the thing is, I haven't used any of their software since they started pushing AI into it, so I'm sure it's a gazillion times worse now.

[Jason DeFilippo]

It's hard for that thing to get worse. Confluence. Oh, my God. That was terrible. Yep, I just remember. Written in Java. Written in Java. And nothing ever fucking worked. Nothing ever worked.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

What do we got next? Meta could be preparing for one of the largest layoffs in its history, According to a Reuters report, the tech giant is planning to cut about 20% of its workforce, according to outlet sources, a report that Meta's top executives have told other senior leaders to start planning how to pare back. In the latest financial report, the company's Employee headcount was 78,865 as of December 31, 2025, while revenue reached nearly. Let's see, we have to do a bunch of layoffs. Revenue reached nearly $60 billion for the fourth quarter and more than $200 billion for the entire year. Of course, we have to remember that Mark Zuckerberg decides to pour that money into the now shuttered fucking pantsless bullshit VR space and paying gazillions of dollars to AI people to come and start their other crap. So there you go.

[Jason DeFilippo]

I'm doing a little back of the Napkin math here. $200 billion divided by 78,865 people equals $2,535,979.20 per employee is how much revenue they made. And I guarantee you employees, they do not make $2,535,000,000 per employee.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

So, yeah, no, they do not. And again, to use the phrase that we just meant, have been using the bread and butter of Meta, Facebook, the Instagram, Fucking useless these days. Nothing but ads and reels. The few people's updates that I have seen have started posting about, what are we even doing here? I Don't see anybody's updates anymore. It's nothing but a fucking ad and reel serving machine. There's no point on being on these fucking things anymore.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, I mean you're just being sold to. And a couple of people I've talked to, their roas for ads on Meta and Instagram have dropped through the floor. That was the thing. Like the return on ad spend a couple years ago was actually really good. You could expect a couple hundred percent return. You spend a thousand dollars, you get 5 back based on what you can sell. And now it's like barely breaking even. So people are starting to leave because of that, because there's nobody there anymore. Because everybody is just.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Well, even if they are there, you don't see their updates anymore. You just don't. Unless you go out of your way to find them. Like most people I know now will pop it open for a second, will scroll for like five seconds. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing close. That's it.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Well, now it's just basically entertainment. You open it because you're bored. That's it. You open it up and it's just like, hey guys, I got nothing to do for 10 minutes. What am I going to look at? And then you get sucked down the rabbit hole for two hours a la TikTok. And that's how they make their money. It's just basically they've monetized boredom to a different degree from what it used to be, which was, let me see what my friends are doing. Completely different product, 100%.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

These are absolutely not social networks anymore. They're not?

[Jason DeFilippo]

No, they're not. No. They're just media companies. That's it. They're just media companies. Well, speaking of meta, according to reports, a meta engineer let an AI agent answer a technical question. The agent impersonated the engineer, gave bad advice and boom. Sensitive user data was exposed to unauthorized employees for about two hours. This is great. This was happened on the internal Slack channel. Like somebody posted a thing. The agent actually like there was just this whole like three's company moment. And then the AI agent actually went back to Slack and replied to the original poster and gave them some advice. And then that person took the advice like it was the other poster and then did it and it everything up. Yeah. Oh God. And earlier this year, another med far we've come Jason.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

We used to have to rely on humans to do that.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Oh yeah, I know, we used to interns. This was an intern fuck up. And now you can't even fire the intern. We're going to Give the intern 5 million GPUs to do it even more. So, yeah, if you remember earlier, another meta AI agent got access to an exec's inbox and promptly deleted everything while being told very politely to stop. Now, this is where this is wrong. It's. It wasn't a meta AI agent. It was open claw. That this, this, this, this person just said, here, let's, let's try and clean up my inbox. Like, okay, and this is the paperclip problem. It's like, I want you to make paperclips. Well, then the death of the universe comes while the AI is still making paperclips. They're like, we'll clean up your inbox. All right? Select all delete. That was it.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Define clean.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Job done.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

It's a scope again. It's a. You got to scope it out properly.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So now Meta is bringing in signal creator Moxie Marlinspike to bolt encryption onto its chatbots because apparently the solution to AI chaos is more AI, but encryption this time. So. But here's where it gets fun. Meta is quietly backing away from one of Zuckerberg's old promises because back in 2019, he pitched a privacy focused future for Facebook, back when it was still Facebook. Yeah, built around end to end encryption, so even Meta couldn't read your messages. And messenger eventually did get encryption by 2023. Four years, I'd like to point out. Four fucking years. But Instagram, not so much. Now the company says it's abandoning plans to roll out encrypted Instagram DMs altogether, claiming very few users opted in. Which of course tends to happen when encryption isn't the default. And most people never dig through the settings because the default is to give everybody everything and leave it open ass to the wind, you know. So Meta says you can still get encrypted chats on WhatsApp, but Instagram is going to stay as is. So there you go. All right, one more of le insitification of le Meta. Okay, well, Instagram may be finally loosening one of its oldest rules, but only if you pay. Meta is testing clickable links directly in post captions for users subscribed to Meta Verified. They're taking a page out of Elon's book right here with Twitter verified or X verified or whatever the fuck. So historically, Instagram forced creators to shove everything into the infamous link in Bio, spawning an entire ecosystem of shitty fucking tools like linktree, which we should have fucking built. We made fun of linktree when it came out and we were fucking stupid. I'm like, that's blog rolling for Instagram. They're just going to bake this shit in. This will never be a. Oh, wait, that's a hundred million dollar business right now. Fuck me. Yeah. So, well, in the test, creators can add up to 10 clickable links per month inside the captions. And the feature currently works in the mobile app, but not on the web. And Meta hasn't said how widely it's going to roll out. So the platform that broke the links in the first place will now sell them back to you, starting at about 15 bucks a month. That's about a buck 50 a link. Yeah. Great.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah. That's worth it actually.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Probably is.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

It will be for some people. Yes, absolutely. Yeah.

[Jason DeFilippo]

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[Brian Schoellmeister]

Well, let's go back to lawsuits. OpenAI has been hit with yet another one, and this one's pretty heavy. From what I remember from my childhood, it's the Encyclopedia Britannica. Those things had some heft to Them.

[Jason DeFilippo]

I got, I got a set. I got a set in the house. It is really fucking heavy.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yep. They took legal action against OpenAI, accusing the company of copyright and trademark infringements. More specifically, Britannica alleged that OpenAI illegally used its copyrighted content at a massive scale when training its AI models. And not just with training. The encyclopedia company claims that ChatGPT's responses to users queries sometimes contain full or partial verbatim reproductions of Britannica's copyright articles. Duh. Along with claims to copyright violations, Britannica also argued that OpenAI was responsible for trademark infringement. According to lawsuit, ChatGPT generates made up content or hallucinations and falsely attributes them to Encyclopedia Britannica. First I heard of that tact. And that is. Yeah, yeah, that's bad and that's good. I like the way they're going after this. So they are seeking an injunction to prevent OpenAI from repeating those accusations. And we don't know how much money they're going for. But I, I'm, I'm 100% behind the Britannica on this one. Go for it.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Oh yeah, have it. Go for it. Yeah, that's a, that's a really good, interesting tack. Is that. Oh, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're diluting our brand and our trademark based on your, you know, non deterministic output.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yes. The Britannica never said to add glue to pizza.

[Jason DeFilippo]

No, it didn't.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Oh, wait, that was Google. Anyways, after ByteDance suspended the global rollout of its new Sea Dance 2.0 AI video generator over the weekend, because people were basically using it to create insanely realistic movies and trailers and stuff with copyrighted material and Tom Cruise and everybody else. They. Sea Dance 2.0 poses a direct threat to the American intellectual property system and more broadly, to the constitutional rights and economic livelihoods of our creative community. Senators Marsha Blackburn and Peter Welch wrote in a letter to the company, they're trying to shut it down immediately because they are worried about AI companies training their apps on copyrighted materials from artists, actors and filmmakers without permission. Little late to the game. Yeah, we've been talking about it for a couple years now, but now you're

[Jason DeFilippo]

welcome to the party, pal.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

They cited Sea Dance AI examples, including an AI generated Thanos and Superman battle. A rewritten Stranger Things ending. I wonder if I could do Battlestar.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Oh, yeah, can we fix, can we fix Battlestar and can we fix Lost? Those are the questions. You know, if they can fix those Sea Dance Might be okay. Yeah.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

And the famous fake Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt battle that went viral. So. Yeah, so we'll see what happens.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Those guys are hurting financially, so we need to make sure that they don't lose any coin out of that.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Well, that's a. You know, it's the rich get richer problem here. After pulling CDance 2.0, ByteDance said over the weekend that it respects intellectual property rights. With a straight face, they said that. And that it is taking steps to strengthen current safeguards as we work to prevent the unauthorized use of intellectual property and likenesses by users. They called the pledge a delay tactic to continue to abuse the innovators and profit from their successes. Added that its regard for American IP is part of a larger trend of artificial intelligence companies stealing protected work at the expense of the creative community. Again, welcome to the parties, pal.

[Jason DeFilippo]

So I would like to say if any of these LLM companies and Frontier model companies actually give a shit about copyright, don't train your model on copyrighted material. Yep. Simple enough, right? Yeah, but they're not going to do that, so.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah, no, of course not.

[Jason DeFilippo]

All right, let's get some more fun news here. This is no AI involved in this one. Trump Media burned through over $712 million last year while bringing in 3.7. That's right, they turned $712 million into $3.7 million. Now, technically, they should be an AI company with this kind of burn rate. You know, this is. This is open AI level and anthropic level burning of money. But yeah, so the stock is cratered. It's now down under $9 from a high of $80. And because the company has been dabbling in prediction markets, buying up Bitcoin and now jumping into nuclear fusion, just what I want Trump Media to have their fingers in is nuclear fusion.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

The portfolio. Quite the portfolio.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah. Let's throw some shit at the wall and see what sticks. And apparently nothing.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Now, just a reminder that the Trump Media was basically created to bilk the MAGA faithful. Please invest and give us your money. We don't actually care if this does anything or makes any money. Why don't we care? Oh, I don't know. Because according to a report from the Wall Street Journal, the Trump administration is set to receive a total of $10 billion in the deal that allowed TikTok to remain in the US if this is in grift, I don't know what is. The new investors who acquired stakes in the US entity of TikTok have already paid a $2.5 billion fee to the administration when the deal closed in January. But the Wall Street Journal's latest report noted that the group of investors would continue to make payments until the total hits $10 billion. To better contextualize the recently revealed $10 billion fee the Trump administration is receiving, the US entity of TikTok was valued at $14 billion by Vice President J.D. vance. So. Wow. Yeah.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah. 80% of the value of the TikTok deal is given back to the Trump administration. No, there's nothing wrong with that.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

No, this is completely normal.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Democrat would do that. Jesus.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Oh, Jesus Christ. Can you imagine if Obama did something like this? If you imagine pitchforks.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah. If Obama forgot to tip the guy at Starbucks, they would have fucking.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

He wore a tan suit.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

And they freaked out. This is unbelievable. Grift.

[Jason DeFilippo]

He forgot to leave one time, and then there was three hours of Fox News coverage on it.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Now, lest us forget, this isn't the only thing that has happened. Last year, the administration invested 8.9 billion into intel and received a nearly 9% equity stake. And of course, he got the Boeing 747. 78 as a gift from the Qatari government in May. Totally normal. Totally normal.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. What. What's. What's wrong with that, Brian? What's wrong with that?

[Brian Schoellmeister]

It's business, man. Just business. Yeah.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah. Well, speaking of business, back in 2010, remember Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, and Melinda French Gates? When she was Melinda French Gates still before she.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

I'm trying to remember 2010 and be back there.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, I. God, yeah. Well, they launched the Giving Pledge. That was the. The idea where billionaires promised to donate at least half of their wealth to charity. Remember that?

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah. I can think of one person that may be on track to do that. One.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Just one.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

One. She's the wife who just got all the money.

[Jason DeFilippo]

She is. Awesome. We'll get to her in a second. Yes. More than 250, though wealthy families eventually signed on, including Mike Bloomberg, Mackenzie Scott, and Sam Altman. But the vibe has shifted hard in the past few years. New signups have slowed to a trickle because some billionaires are quietly backing away. And at least one, Coinbase CEO, Brian Armstrong, actually unsigned the pledge entirely.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Wait, did he go through his email, find the DocuSign document, reload it, and unclick on signature?

[Jason DeFilippo]

I think so. I think so. So they're saying that part of the shift is political because in the current climate, billionaires are less interested in nonprofit philanthropy and more interested in direct influence. Give me a fucking break. Like oh, oh, I'm sorry. The Direct influences funding elections and pushing policy through their businesses. Not. Not giving it, giving the money away to people on the street. Mackenzie. So some people, including Elon Musk, argue their companies themselves are philanthropy. Yeah, dude, this is, this is the Andreessen cocktail speaking. Whatever.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

They're on Ketamine dreams, baby.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah. Others, like Peter Thiel, have been actively encouraging people to ditch the pledge, calling it an Epstein adjacent fake boomer club.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Well, how about you release that list and then we'll talk about it? Peter?

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, we'll talk, we'll talk a little more.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Let's get a little more info first.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, well, that criticism actually lands a little harder thanks to Bill Gates's reputational baggages from his ties to Jeffrey Epstein and all of the shit that just came out about him and the Russian hookers and the estate and all the good stuff and his wife leaving him because she knew all about it. Oh, deary deary me. So yeah, billionaires are going to billion and they're going to take their money back and they're going to go play in their own playground and just say, no, we're not giving any, any of it away. Except for Mackenzie Scott, who is the hero of the universe. The more I read about her, the more I love her.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

She's wonderful. I don't know how she tolerated that nut for as long as she did.

[Jason DeFilippo]

No, Nope, I don't either. But speaking of that fuck nut, the Washington Post just ditched flat subscription pricing and went full Uber surge mode. Using AI to decide how much you personally should pay based on your data, location, reading habits, even what device you use. The algorithm figures out exactly how much it can squeeze out of you before you bounce. Well, the company's being vague about how it works, but experts say this kind of pricing can get uncomfortably invasive. You fucking think. And they're pulling in everything from your zip code to inferred income.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Now hold on a second. Yes, to be fair, in the old days of subscribing to a newspaper, they also knew your zip code because they delivered it to your house.

[Jason DeFilippo]

That's true, but did they change the rates on how much did they did not. Just clarifying, just clarifying.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Let's not make it a data invasive problem here, because they've always had that data. It's the way that they're using this data.

[Jason DeFilippo]

They're using the data. Yes, exactly. Yes. And they also didn't tell what phone you had inside of your house to tell if you were. If you are an iPhone or an Android if you could pay more or less.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

So now we're all going to have our burner Androids for cheaper subscriptions and we're all going to use our VPNs and come in from Namibia and yeah, this is the only way we're going to get cheaper subscriptions. This is the nightmare. This is what we thought that AI would start to be used for. And this is the bullshit that is coming.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, we are at end stage inshittification apps and doodads.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Well, speaking of inshittification, Adobe's been in shidifying for quite some time and they've finally gotten their hand slapped for it. They've agreed to pay the U.S. government $75 million to settle its lawsuit over the company's alleged harmful approach to subscriptions. Everybody expect your $1.50 that we'll get from, from that. Oh wait, no, we won't get a penny. The suit.

[Jason DeFilippo]

The.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

The suit started in 2024 when the US Department of Justice and the FTC filed a joint complaint alleging the company deliberately made it difficult to cancel subscriptions and obscured the frequently expensive early termination fee customers had to pay to get out of annual subscriptions that are paid monthly. While we disagree with the government's claims to deny any wrongdoing, we are pleased to resolve this matter. We disagree, but have $75 million because we think you're wrong.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, and they're giving it directly to the Department of Justice. And by the way, that should have another zero at the end of it, at least for the trouble that they caused with this. This is another grift. It's just going back. It's just. I'm surprised they didn't buy it in DJ T Coin, you know, to pay their bill because this is such a low ball. Bullshit fee. Yes, bullshit.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

It's total bullshit. And you know, the article just goes on and on about all the stuff that we talked about, the dark patterns that they were using and how modified things to make things more streamlined and transparent just because they got caught. That's why.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yep, that's it. I've been in this loop with them. I'm sure you have too. It was a nightmare.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Multiple times. Not only personally, but then I was also managing Adobe subscriptions for the company that I was working at for a while and trying to add and remove subscriptions was a nightmare. Total nightmare. Oh, wait, sorry. Adding subscriptions, super easy.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Super easy. Super easy to add. Yeah, yeah. God forbid you want to downgrade. There was a fine company who used to advertise on this show who did temporary credit card numbers, which I'm not going to mention them because they're no longer advertisers on this show. You know who you are. Come back. We had a good partnership, you fuckers.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

We gave you a lot of users too.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Lots of people who still use your program, still talk about it, but. So I would create a card on that service, swap it out for my Adobe subscription card, then cancel it and turn it off and then, you know, that's how I would have to cancel my subscription on Adobe. That was it. You know, you have to make a fake credit card or a temporary credit card. It wasn't fake, it was a real credit card number. And then actually have it switch over and then cancel it. It was ridiculous. And by the way, that still works for a lot of different things that are hard to that they say, well, would you call us to unsubscribe? I'm like, no, I'm just going to change my billing and kill the card. That's it. That's what you do. Yeah. So this is a new AI app that just came out yesterday called Google Stitch. This is the basically the vibe coding of design work. Now comes. It came from Google. This is Google Stitch. And it's interesting, I have not played with it yet, but in looking at it I'm very fascinated because as a, as an ex engineer, you know, my design skills are not the best. So this basically lets you, you know, vibe design your app that you're vibe coding over here with Gemini and Codex and Claude and all that shit. And so you have a nice pretty front end over here. Now I'm dying to try this because they have, they've actually put out a new file format called Design md. Now I don't know if you, if you're deep enough, Brian, into actual AI coding or using much of the agents or stuff like that. Because generally when you start a project you create an Agents MD file which you know, gives your agent marching orders on what it can do, what it can't do, what it should do, what it shouldn't do. And there's skill sets for different things. So this is just another layer of that telling the LLM what it can and can't do. The one thing. The reason I'm really kind of pointing this out is this is the first time I've seen an AI toolset come out that actually has instructions and a user manual. The link in the show notes, if you go to the go to the show notes there's actually a page that Tells you how to use the tool. Because none of these other fucking LLMs have fucking instructions. There is no manual. It's like, here's a chat box, type some shit. I'm like, okay, yeah, but how does it work?

[Brian Schoellmeister]

How do I make it work better? Oh, wait, there's no instructions.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, so I think, I think at least from that point, Google's done a fairly good job, I guess, you know, coders, we just like to tinker. Designers need actual hand holding and instructions, so.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. This is pretty cool. Like it just generates a whole bunch of CSS for you and it's got real. Yeah, that's. I would definitely try this out if I had a project to do it with.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, yeah, I'm going to be trying it out. I've actually got a project that I'm working on that I'm going to use it for. And it's nice because you can do website or application. So.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah, I saw the split between it. Yeah, that's cool.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, yeah, very cool.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Very cool.

[Jason DeFilippo]

There'll be more coming soon on the stuff that I'm working on because I need to make something and I'm telling you, Brian, you will shit a brick if you could see the stuff that's going on. It's actually impressive from a coding standpoint. From everything else standpoint, I fight with these things all day long because it's like, I say one thing and it tells me one thing and then the next sentence it tells me the actual opposite. I'm like, me, why do these things? Non deterministic output, Brian.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

I have to remember Black box man.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, yeah, little.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

A lot of sprinkling of random in there.

[Jason DeFilippo]

A lot of sprinkling of random. Now, speaking of non deterministic output, Brian, password creation. You would think that using an AI to create your passwords would be awesome because every time it should give you something completely fucking different and random.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

The sprinkling of random. It should be great.

[Jason DeFilippo]

The sprinkling of random should be epic. It is. Apparently not.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Not when it sticks a finger in instead of a letter.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, that too. That too. AQ2 poop emoji finger eggplant. No, that doesn't work. But you know, so when you ask your LLM, like Gemini, ChatGPT, Claude, all of those major ones to generate a password for you, it's still a prediction engine. So it is going to go back to the well and start.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

It finds the most popular basic password. So it gives you 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

[Jason DeFilippo]

That. Yeah. Even if you give it specific instructions in your agent's MD file or whatever your MD file is. Yeah, you're going to get the same shit. So these things are like a boon for phishers and hackers. So people can totally tell now that you're not, you're not actually creating a random password. And you know, the cybersecurity firm Irregular did the test on this and said that, yeah, they're not, it's not good. It's. They're very predictable. There is no random, there is no good seed. Like, I forget who's the company in San Francisco that has the wall of lava lamps crap, I can't remember either.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

I see it in my mind.

[Jason DeFilippo]

We use them every day. But anyway, the wall of lava lamps that they have a webcam pointed at to actually generate randomness for their seed and for their, for their, their, you know, random seed generators. This just goes back to the LLM well and said let me predict exactly what everybody else would predict. And so the, the determination was use one password. Yes, that's it. Gog show one password. If you would like to go try them out. This episode is sponsored by Squarespace. If you're the kind of geek who likes to actually own your corner of the Internet, instead of duct taping together a half dozen tools, Squarespace is built for you. It's an all in one platform where you can design, publish and run a serious website without losing your weekends to configuration hell. One thing I like is how easy it is to offer services and actually get paid. Consults, events, memberships, invoices, scheduling. It's all baked in. No Franken stack of plugins, no mystery payments floating around. You set it up once and it just works. Squarespace puts everything you need to sell, scale and get paid under one roof. Build a sharp professional online store that actually reflects your brand, take payments with ease, and manage inventory, shipping and fulfillment without juggling a dozen tools so your workflow stays clean and your customers get a friction free buying experience. Then there's the design side. Squarespace's blueprint AI helps you spin up a clean professional site fast based on what you do and what you're trying to build. And if you want to tweak every pixel you can. The templates look great out of the box, but nothing's locked down. And once you're live, Squarespace's built in analytics show you what's working and what's not, so you can make decisions based on data. Instead of vibes, I use squarespace to run kingofogue.com and it's made my life so much easier. If you want to build something real online, go to squarespace.com grumpy for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch, use code grumpy to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. That's squarespace.com grumpy.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Media Candy well, it's been March break here, so the kid has been out of school and we took a little trip and watched quite a lot of movies. A lot of kids mov movies. So I've got a couple bits of reports here. Zootopia 2 has come out. Zootopia 1 is something that I missed the first time around. My kid wasn't old enough, but we watched that a little while back. Very good. Zootopia 2, excellent. These are fantastic efforts. Fantastic Disney movies. Really well done, really funny. A lot of good jokes for the adults in there. Fantastic stuff. We also, I discussed that we had watched Shrek finally got my kid to watch Shrek recently and how it didn't really, really have legs. It wasn't as funny as one remembered it being. We watched Shrek's 2 and 3 over the. Over the break while we were on our little vacation. And I'm happy to report they get better as they go along.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Oh good.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

They figured out the secret sauce. They figured out to actually put jokes in there and put. Put a lot of stuff for the adults in there. So progressively funnier as they go along.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Well, and you pointed out in Shrek 1, Puss in Boots wasn't even in it. So the addition of Puss in Boots I think actually raised it prob.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

You know, it does raise the bar quite a lot. Yeah.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

And I also mentioned recently that I had gone back to the West Wing. Well just to have it on in the background late at night to soothe my soul a little bit. It was on Netflix for a couple months for the entire time that I've been watching it. And apparently it had just shown up on Netflix when I started watching and just as quickly, poof, gone. This is the media landscape that we existed. It just disappeared after a couple months and now it's back apparently on HBO Max. So I was able to find it and just had to remember where I left off and off I went again. So. But I do love the hat switches that go on with all these things. It just disappears. Anyways, Star Trek Starfleet Academy season finale aired, so I was able to cancel my Paramount for the time being, which is nice. Good. At least until. Until Strange New Worlds comes back. You know, they were able to solve the molecular mcguffin. They had a somewhat of a happy ending, I suppose. I thought it was very nice. They didn't really tease too much about what would be coming in a second season, although we know we are definitely getting one overall now that the season's over. What do you think, Jason?

[Jason DeFilippo]

I can't remember what the season finale entailed. I. I completely. I watched it. I cannot remember a goddamn thing from it. So I'm going to have to watch it again.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

What you mostly got out of it was Giamatti doing an awful lot of chewing on scenery, which was glorious.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Okay, Yeah, I need to watch it again. I think the melatonin was kicking in for the evening and I just phased out. I had a phase transition. That's what I did.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

All right, well, we'll catch up on that one next week after you've seen it again then, so we can do our end of season wrap up.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Okay. Okay. So you talked about HBO Max, and I would say that some of the things that you can get on HBO Max right now are Dune and Dune 2 and that miniseries. So I would recommend getting those before Dune Part 3 comes out because the official teaser trailer dropped this week. You've got till December 18th to go watch all of that stuff again. Did you get a chance to see the trailer, Brian?

[Brian Schoellmeister]

I did. It wasn't bad. The thing that bummed me out, though, is he's basically announced, this is it. We're not gonna get. We're not gonna get fucking crazy. Lito putting sand worms all over his body and becoming a giant worm, which is. I was just gunning for this. I wanted it. I wanted it so bad. But he's gonna stop doing the movie. He stopped after this one, so. All right.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, it's kind of a bummer. It looks great. Like the other ones. It looks great. Soundtrack's gonna be amazing. It's gonna be a feast for the eyes. And it starts 17 years after the. After Paul Atreides takes the throne. Now, here's the other really bummer. I mean, it's a bummer that it's ending. Sure. The real bummer is Rebecca Ferguson has one scene in the movie and they put it in the trailer. So. Okay.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

I mean, she's my favorite. She's beautiful. But we should get a lot of Anna Taylor, Joy, or whatever her name is. Because she's playing Alia. I believe so.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Okay. Okay. We'll see. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

I mean, It's Next Generation, man. But, I mean, in the book, she's in quite a bit, which is kind of a bummer. But you got to cut something. It's a movie.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it's only going to be three and a half hours long if the other ones are any bellwether. Paradise. Paradise has been renewed for season three at Hulu. I am. We're coming up to the end of season two on. Yeah, I really like season one. I really like season one. And season two is back out in the real world after things have fallen apart and it just turns into a mediocre fucking dystopian. It's a heckscape. It's not even a hellscape. It's a hexscape. Right. You know, it's just not that great. And it's predictable. And the only thing that has really made season one so good was the first episode at Graceland that was fucking phenomenal. But the rest of it so far has just been mediocre dystopian bullshit. I'm not loving it. I'm not loving it at all. You're not a big anime guy, are you, Brian?

[Brian Schoellmeister]

No, I'm not.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Okay. I found a movie that was. I think this came through Gizmodo. It's called Mars Express. I think it came out in 2023. And they were saying that this movie should be up there with the pantheon of great anime movies like Akira and all of those movies. So I was like, okay, I'll check it out. I haven't watched a good anime movie in a long time. And I have to concur, it is damn near a perfect movie.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

It.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Guess what it has Rotten Tomatoes? Brian?

[Brian Schoellmeister]

100.

[Jason DeFilippo]

It does have 100%.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Good guess I clicked on the link.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Probably click the link in the show notes. So, yeah, I finished watching it last night. Highly recommended. It's only an hour and a half long. Great storytelling, great visuals, just great all around.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Appropriate for kids or is this an older thing?

[Jason DeFilippo]

Hell, no. Not appropriate for kids? No.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Good to know. My kid is starting to get into anime. He likes all that stuff. And vetting all that stuff is a fucking pain in the ass.

[Jason DeFilippo]

So, yeah, no, this is. This is a daddy. This is a daddy view, so.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Gotcha.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah. Yeah. And in the big news this week, Nathan Fillion has announced that Firefly will be coming back as an animated series with the whole cast. And how is it going to be the whole cast? You say if you've seen Serenity and you know that Wash Dies and all the other multiple characters die. Well, they're going to set this new animated series between the end of the series and the beginning of the movie. So Wash gets to come back because he's important, because he was everybody's favorite fucking character, and Joss Whedon killed him. So we're gonna see how this plays out. You actually have a story coming up about Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'm gonna let you get to that one next, and then I'll talk about my other story, because these tie together very tight.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

See, I knew this. I was never really all that into Firefly, nor was I really all that into Buffy. I know that you were into both, but. So Buffy was supposed to be coming back as well. It was gonna be Buffy. New Sunnydale. They announced all of it. And Sarah Michelle Geller was back. Chloe Zhao was going to direct it. She's fantastic. How. How interesting is this going to be? Pretty cool. No. Canceled. Announced over the weekend while Zao was at the Oscars and Sarah Michelle Geller was doing something else. They seemed to have timed it to make sure that they were busy and wouldn't be sitting around making angry TikTok reels or whatever the hell you do when you get pissed off about this sort of stuff.

[Jason DeFilippo]

That didn't work.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

It did not work. Sarah Miguel, Sarah Michelle Geller has got a hold of the People at People and informed everybody. We had an executive on our show who was not only not only not a fan of the original, but was proud to constantly remind us that he had never seen the entirety of the series and how it wasn't for him. So you got somebody like that on board who kind of killed it from the music world. I know how this works. If you had an A and R agent that signed your band and he quits or gets fired and you get replaced by somebody that doesn't give a about you, your career is done.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, and that was just part of the story. Yeah, the bad executive. But also, I hear the script was shit. And Chloe Zhao was completely not a right fit for the type of production that it needed to be completely wrong style. So the whole thing was kind of an active mess.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

So the executive might have been right.

[Jason DeFilippo]

The executive actually might have been right. It was wrong for Hulu to put that executive in charge of that property. You need somebody who's a fucking fan of that series to, you know, spearhead that. You're like, oh, let's put a devil's advocate in there. No, that's not what you do with a Beloved series like Buffy. You don't fucking do that. Here's the problem that Buffy is going to face and Firefly are both going to face, and I'm going to be probably a little bit indelicate here. The guy who made both of those, the guy who was canceled actually was the creative force behind those shows and was the spirit of those shows. And trying to do those shows without him is probably not going to work. No matter what you think about Joss Whedon, it doesn't matter. Those were his creations from his mind, and that's what made those shows. Those shows.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

And this is also my theory as to why we may never be seeing Good Omens 3.

[Jason DeFilippo]

They said it's coming out. David Tennant.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

They said it was coming out. We shall see.

[Jason DeFilippo]

We shall see. We shall see. But, yes, one, when the heart and soul of a show goes away, yeah, you can. You can hire some writers to kind of keep it, but you don't have that spearhead behind it to really guide the ship. And that's a fucking problem.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yep.

[Jason DeFilippo]

So, yeah, so, yeah, I, you know, like I said, people still listen to Michael Jackson music, so maybe they should just let him come back and do the fucking shows and go back away and hide in a cave again. I don't know.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

I think you have to be dead.

[Jason DeFilippo]

That's. That could be it. So too bad. This is real quick here. V for Vendetta. 20 years old. I cannot fucking believe V for Vendetta is 20 years old. I watched this movie in the theater two times on opening weekend when Bob Fogarty and I went to the Dig Nation Recording in Reno, Nevada, and we were so drunk we couldn't go snowboarding with everybody. So we decided to spend the weekend in a. In a. In a dark movie theater to recover. I just. I'm. I'm just gobsmacked that this movie is 20 years old. I just.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

It's a great movie.

[Jason DeFilippo]

It is a great movie. It highly recommend. It has legs. Go. And especially it has more legs. Now if you go watch, I don't know, anything outside that's going on. It really kind of is one of those predicting bellwethers.

[Dave Bittner]

So there you go.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Enjoy it. The Dark side with Dave. Welcome to the Dark side with Dave with a podcaster who never sleeps, Dave Bittner. Dave covers the daily cybersecurity beat on the cyber Wire Bust Scams with Joe Kerrigan on Hacking Humans Untangles Privacy Headaches with Ben Yellen on caveat digs into industrial security on Control Loop. And still Shows up to stir up trouble. And only while we're in the buildings. And I need to take a breath. Hi, Dave.

[Dave Bittner]

I need to take a nap.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah. Hello, Dave.

[Dave Bittner]

Good to be back.

[Jason DeFilippo]

We've missed you.

[Dave Bittner]

Well, thank you very much. I missed you guys, too. So nice to see you all.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

All right, let's just get into it. I have a hat tip, and this should be to Lycoid on our Discord channel. This should be good news for you, Dave, and it certainly is for me. Of all the media and properties that my child has gotten into, nothing has stuck as much as Gravity Falls with him. And I have you to thank. You're the one that recommended that show to us, so I'll send you the bill for all the books that I've purchased. The. Yes, I mean, we have gone through absolutely everything that there is to go through with Gravity. Gravity Falls. He's watched the show multiple times. He's gotten every single book that has been released so far, and now there's a new one coming. This one's quite pricey, but I already know I'm buying it. Disney has announced the upcoming September 15, 2026 release of the Art of Gravity Falls, a 252 page art book that delivers the definitive visual history of the series. But as per usual, it's not just that there will be new content in there. The book will reveal the true origins of Gravity Falls, with series creator Alex Hirsch returning alongside co writer Rob Renzetti. This will have never before revealed developmental art from Alex Hirsch's personal archives, including the first inklings of the characters and world Lost episode ideas. Cut jokes, deviously hidden Easter eggs. My God, those Easter eggs in the books and the translations that my kid has been doing. Yes, every single one of Mabel's sweaters and much, much more. So very exciting stuff. I assume your family is still into this enough that this will be on your purchasing list as well.

[Dave Bittner]

Oh, yes. No, the timing works out. It'll either be on my son's birthday or Christmas list for this coming year. And that's just an excuse because I look forward to checking it out as well. But, yeah, it really is a remarkable show in terms of being a gift that keeps on giving. It really has had legs compared to a lot of other things. It's curious that Alex Hirsch hasn't really done much since then. He did some stuff with Owl House, which is another fun animated series.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

We watched all of that.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah. But, you know, I don't know, and I don't know if, like, you never know. If, is he difficult to work with? Was Disney difficult to work with? Was it both of them? Like, like you'd think something successful like Gravity Falls would lead to follow up projects, but it hasn't so far.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

I don't know. Sometimes that's, that's just kind of what you got too. You got you, you know, George Lucas. We had Star wars and then we got Howard the Duck.

[Dave Bittner]

Right, True, you know, true. Yeah.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

So, yeah, I, I, he's been kind of tangentially involved with like you said, Owl House. I think he had some hand in Amphibia, which is another series which was also fantastic and get loved. So, you know, it's, yeah, it's interesting. But Gravity Falls is definitely one of those things. Although that does bring me up to my next point. The way in which kids consume media these days as compared to us. You know, we had our one episode a week on Saturday morning cartoons or things of that nature. Now it's all Streaming, all available 24, 7, as many times as you want to watch it, binge it, watch it all day if your parents let you get away with it. I've just experienced, I obviously have experienced that with a lot of shows with my kid, but he just recently. The flip switch for the Muppets on my kid, that new show that really did it. We have seen every single movie. We have watched every single episode of every single show except for the old stuff because he hasn't quite gotten into that yet. We've even Muppet Mayhem, all of it, non stop, burn through it. Watch every single piece of media that can possibly be consumed about this. Watch trailers, watch extras, watch behind the scenes. Holy crap. Kids consume things way differently than we did. And I am curious as to how that's going to affect them or will it, or is this just the world now?

[Dave Bittner]

First of all, congratulations on your success as a parent.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Thank you.

[Dave Bittner]

That your child is consuming quality media. Yeah, yeah, I guess. Did this start with vhs where you could consume something over and over and over again? I didn't really have, Yeah, I mean, VHS came along well, I guess a better way to say it is our families obtaining a vcr, which was I think kind of late in that cycle compared to a lot of folks because vcrs cost a lot of money. So I don't recall ever having a movie that was like my go to shove it in the VCR and watch it over and over again kind of thing we did.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

But it wasn't, I guess the difference would be like even the videos were incredibly expensive or you had to go rent the. Them, you know, from Blockbuster or whatever. But you, you know, it was, it was Your, your expensive VCR and then your $89 copy of Star Wars. So you had a copy. You didn't have all three movies, the 75, you know, VHS. That would have been the Clone Wars. You know, it's just that they have everything on tap so easily now. It's. You can, you couldn't do that back then. And it was. Things were more special events, I feel like.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah, I think that's right.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

I mean, I don't know if it's a bad thing. My son's certainly having a blast and you know, it's up to us to limit how much he can watch and we do that. But it is strange to just watch, watch the obsessions like flare and then burn out generally really quickly. It's some things like Gravity Falls or Muppets that don't. They keep going back to that. Well, but a lot of stuff, it's just like it's a month. I've seen absolutely everything. I will never look at this again or think about it.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah, yeah. The thing I wonder about and something I've noticed with some of my younger co workers, people who are in their 20s, is that they are proudly ignorant of having. Proud. Proud of being ignorant when it comes to pop culture knowledge. And in thinking about that, I credit a lot of that to the fact that our generation in the evening sat down with our parents to watch TV because it's all that was on. And if you wanted to watch something, it had to be something that if you wanted to watch something, it had to be something that everyone agreed upon and usually your parents would choose anyway, except for like you mentioned earlier, Saturday morning cartoons. So we all had this shared pop culture thing like TV shows that we probably like shows like all in the Family and the Mary Tyler Moore show and things we probably wouldn't have watched as kids, but we did watch because we sat down with our parents and it was the only thing that was on and we only had one TV and all that sort of stuff. So I think today the 20 somethings who grew up with their own mobile devices, they had access to whatever they wanted, like you're saying all the time, and they weren't forced into that thing of, of spending that time with a parent. Right. So that those, those cultural things didn't get absorbed. Multi generational cultural things didn't get absorbed in the same way that like us, me being forced to watch Bob Hope specials.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Right, yeah.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Hee Haw. He haw.

[Dave Bittner]

Right.

[Jason DeFilippo]

But I, The Lawrence Welk Show, I

[Dave Bittner]

talk about Bob Hope specifically because a Bob Hope special would stretch back all the way into vaudeville.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Right.

[Dave Bittner]

The people you'd have on that show, you know, Bob Hope with our special guest, Milton Berle.

[Jason DeFilippo]

And I was gonna say Milton Berle, always Milton Berle.

[Dave Bittner]

But we knew who those people were and we knew a lot of the classic routines and things and the setup of those old timey kind of jokes because of that. And I don't think they're forced into that these days.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah, it's the same like, you know, I'm thinking like old school Hollywood Squares, you know, you watched it because you didn't have a choice. There wasn't anything else. Right. But you were, you were indoctrinated into this kind of grander pop culture that everybody. A shorthand that everybody knew and understand. Maybe that's why we're so stratified these days. Maybe that we, we don't have the shared touchstones anymore. We don't. We're not coming from the same place. We all go down our own rabbit holes, not just with media, but with news, with everything.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Because, you know, in, in my world growing up, I never ever would have wanted to have Ruth Buzzi in my life. But now I know who that is.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Oh, who's the, who is the guy with the confession? Eddie.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Whatever his name was, he was the most annoying person on the planet.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Nelson Riley.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yes.

[Jason DeFilippo]

That was a different guy.

[Dave Bittner]

No, not Charles Nelson Riley. No, he had. And he had a terrible toupee.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yes.

[Dave Bittner]

And he would come on the Gong show and what the hell is it?

[Jason DeFilippo]

Oh, it's gonna drive me crazy now.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

So, yeah, I mean, you know, who would choose such a thing? But we, we all knew what it was. We all knew it and it's. It still sticks in our head. Even if I can't remember the guy's name, I see him in the. Rip Taylor. There you go.

[Dave Bittner]

I know it's Rip Taylor because I just googled Confetti guy and he was

[Brian Schoellmeister]

the first thing that came up.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Let's see, I was thinking Paul Lind. I was thinking about, too. Yeah, yeah.

[Dave Bittner]

Center square plays.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah. See, we all know it. We all know it. It's crazy. I don't think kids have anything like that right now. I know, because I've been. I've even asked my son, like, you know, do your friends watch the same shows? And sometimes they do. They convince each other to watch things and say it's really good. But in General, they all watch completely different stuff.

[Dave Bittner]

Hmm. Do you think? Okay. I know my son, my youngest son, who's 19. Now much of the media he consumes are podcasts, so I wonder if there's commonality there, but maybe.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Hopefully it's not Joe Rogan.

[Dave Bittner]

No, it's not. No. Hey, you know, it's a real time social experiment and we'll see.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Y. I hope I don't. May I be dead.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Well, speaking of dead, I've. I've talked to you guys before about my idea of why haven't they reinvented the zombie genre yet? Because of EV vehicles now. I knew they're silent running. And Daniel writes in. Sorry, Jason, but Kia Australia already did the EV zombie apocalypse. It's worth watching, even if it's an ad. And he sent the link to the. The ad. And the ad is. Shh. It's zombie proof and it's a funny ad. Yeah, I thought they did. They did exactly what I would have done. So, I mean, I would never buy a Kia, but otherwise it's a great ad. So I highly recommend. Link will be in the show notes. Check it out. Thanks, Daniel. Yeah, I'm not. And I'm not mad at that. I'm glad somebody did. That's all I wanted. I wanted somebody to take it and run with it. And they did.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah, there you go. See, that's that and not. That's also where we are today. If you think of it, chances are someone has already done it or there's porn of it. Well, there's that. Yes, yes.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Rule 13, I believe. Isn't it called 13? I'm not sure.

[Dave Bittner]

I mean, I've heard. Shouldn't it be Rule 69?

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, it should be. I forgot my 4chan rules, I'm sorry to say.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah, yeah, I got.

[Jason DeFilippo]

I had to. I had to memorize 12 steps in the. The 42 rules of the Internet went out the window.

[Dave Bittner]

I put a link in here for a website page, whatever that grabbed my attention in the past week here. It's called the Last Quiet Thing, and it's from someone named Terry Godier. I guess it is. And it starts off with a little comparison between a simple Casio watch and your Apple watch. A tip of the hat to whoever built this website that the Casio watch actually shows the correct time while you're scrolling in it by. But I found it really interesting and worth my time. And it's all about how much everything demands our attention and our time these days when they didn't used to because everything's Connected. I wrote a thing about this on Facebook and Mastodon about a week ago. Just how it seems like everything is demanding your attention and trying to extract as much as possible out of you. And this is a little study on that. And I found it thought provoking and worth sharing. So it takes a few minutes to scroll through, but I think it's interesting. I don't know if you guys had a chance to check it out.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

I did.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Beautiful.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Very cool.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Absolutely beautiful.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

It's funny, I think this must be in our. Now that we're old and we have the collective zeitgeist, unlike the kids these days. There must be something in the air about this, because I read your thing when you posted it. It was wonderful. Even before you had posted that, my wife and I had just been having a lot of discussions about how frustrated we were with how much time and effort is involved, just with the upkeep of all the digital things that we have now, updating the apps and then going back in and checking the settings. Because now it stopped working the way that we wanted it to work and now there's an update and it doesn't do the same thing the way that we wanted it to do that it used to do. So now we have to figure out the new way to do the thing that we wanted it to do. And not only do I have to do it for me, now I have to go to my parents to device is my mom's device. And then I have to go around and reset all these. And it's so like all these things that we're supposed to make our lives easier and better are sucking the life out of us.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah, it's true. It's true. And yeah, I mean, surveillance capitalism.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yep.

[Dave Bittner]

And I think partly what is so frustrating is that we grew up in the era where there was much harder hope that this was going to lead to the exact opposite of what it's led to. And so we were there. I guess we feel as though the promises that were made to us, they were lies.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Well, it's what Jason and I always say on this show too. It's like the Internet. Oh, my God. This wonderful device that is just gonna. The entirety of the world's knowledge will be available to anyone for free. We will be to discuss in deep thoughts about the things we will move humanity forward. We get fucking shitty memes. And surveillance capitalism, that's. That's what we got out of it. So.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah, yeah. Careful what you ask for.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yep.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah.

[Jason DeFilippo]

And as I'm trying to build some New, some new projects I'm going back to. Not so much about features as about feelings. I remember what it was like when I would, with new technology, what I felt like when I had it, and trying to, you know, recreate some of those feelings. Not just the features, because the features are all different now. Features are complete. The Internet as it was, is dead. Forget it, it has been killed. So. And software as it was, was killed. But I trying to rekindle some of that wonder that we used to have and how does that work is kind of what I think about a lot nowadays. And this thing really just hit home. It's just like, oh my God. So much work that we put into this that we pay for. It's like, oh, I pay for the job that I have now. Right. Sucks.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

By the way, they're stopping letting you pay for it. Now you have to subscribe to it.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, now I gotta subscribe. Right. And it's more if they know exactly where I live.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Right.

[Dave Bittner]

There was a thing I saw about a week ago, it was some YouTuber who, unfortunately, I don't remember exactly who it was, it wasn't someone who I regularly watched, but somehow it was brought to my attention. I want to say this person was a woodworker or something like that. And they had put out a little piece about sort of lamenting how much AI had ruined so much of YouTube and that the legit publishers, small, medium sized publishers like himself, the minute that they published something, it would get sucked up by some AI that would then take the transcript, recreate it, generate graphics and basically do its own version of whatever they just published, just to generate clicks and traffic and bleed off some of the interest in whatever that topic was. But the phrase he used as he was looking toward the future that caught my attention was he said, I hope we're heading towards an economy of authenticity where there is a market for real things, for authentic things, where things that are not generated by the machine have extra value.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah, we were talking about earlier, there's a push for AI free labels, but of course that's becoming mired down a bit with definitions and et cetera, et cetera. But yeah, I think we're going to see that. I hope we're going to see that. I know our generation, those of us and most of our listeners want that. I'm curious to see if, if the younger generation give a right, right.

[Dave Bittner]

They might not, they might not.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

And that's their world to live until it comes down to making their own living. Right. Okay, so what are you gonna do now?

[Dave Bittner]

Then they're gonna complain about how much, you know, when. When we're all in old folks homes and we insist on having face to face conversation with real human beings, they're gonna roll their eyes and, you know, as olds.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Yeah, I subscribed to your AI avatar for you. Why don't you just use that?

[Dave Bittner]

Right, exactly. The robot cat is in the room. I don't understand why you're so needy.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, because it needs to be updated and the Bluetooth failed and I have to reset the Bluetooth so it just sits there licking its balls and I can't get it to come say hi to me anymore.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Right.

[Dave Bittner]

That's why I'm laughing at the notion of robot cat balls.

[Jason DeFilippo]

It's coming. Trust me, it's coming.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

That's the latest show my kids into too. Right, Right.

[Dave Bittner]

So again, I came across a video that sent me down a little bit of a rabbit hole. And I suspect this might resonate with the two of you. I was thinking this week about Evel Knievel. Do you guys remember Evel Knievel?

[Jason DeFilippo]

Of course.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

I was a little too young on the cusp for that, but again, shared cultural knowledge, obviously. I saw it. He more his later joke incarnation, Super Dave Osborn, resonates a bit more with me than Evel Knievel, but yes.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah, Super Dave may have been more successful than evil in the long run, I don't know. But Super Dave was very funny. But what started this was I saw a clip that I've included here that was Craig Ferguson telling an Evel Knievel story. It was basically about how Evel Knievel was doing one of his jumps and he knew he was gonna miss and. And he missed and he crashed. And the people come over to. To take care of him when he crashed. And the first thing he said was, get the girls out of my hotel room. Because he was afraid his wife was going to find out that he had girls in his hotel room.

[Jason DeFilippo]

But she knew. She knew, I'm sure.

[Dave Bittner]

But Evel Knievel was so iconic. And looking back on it, it seems to me like it was so of its time that you had this one stunt person who would do stupid things. Amazing. Mostly he jump his motorcycle over city buses or over things. And half the time he would crash. I think he was in the world, the Guinness Book of World Records for most broken bones or something like that. He was certainly in the running. But we had hour long shows. I linked to one of them. It was like an hour extraordinarily Highly rated. Wide World of Sports on abc. That was an hour long. All leading up to Evil.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Three channels, Dave.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Three channels.

[Dave Bittner]

Knievel jumping over a string of buses. Whether or not he would make it, like. And I guess so I've been thinking about this. I guess part of it was the simpler time. All of us kids had bicycles, so we pretended to be Evel Knievel, you know, building ramps and jumping over things, jumping over each other on our bicycles. There were Evel Knievel branded bicycles also. The Evel Knievel Stunt Cycle was an amazing Stunt cycle. Is it?

[Jason DeFilippo]

That's it. The Stunt Cycle. Great toy.

[Dave Bittner]

I mean, a classic toy that lived up to the hype because that was a fun toy to play with right up until the moment you got sand in the gears. And then it stopped working. But what a great toy. And to this day, there are people still making YouTube videos about with making the Stunt Cycle jump over things, which I think is great fun. So this got me thinking, like,

[Jason DeFilippo]

does

[Dave Bittner]

every generation have an oddball thing that attracts a lot of attention and society really only needs one of them? Right. Like, we had Evel Knievel. We only needed one of them. I'm sure there were other people who tried to be the stuntman. Evil had a son named Robbie Knievel who tried to follow in his father's footsteps and had some success. But, like, we needed one Evel Knievel, and that's what the world needed, and we were happy with it. And it got me thinking, like, is Weird Al that way?

[Jason DeFilippo]

I was gonna say that was my next one. Is Weird Al. Yeah. I'm like, if I had to pick one, it'd be Weird Al.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah. We've got one Weird Al. And I hope to never live in a world without him. Him, because he's delightful, and I feel like we need him, but I don't think we need two Weird Al's.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

We don't need a weirder Al.

[Dave Bittner]

Right. Or Weird Ali, you know, like, Weird Al esque. Yeah. I don't know. So I was just sort of thinking back about Evel Knievel and how singular he was. And I don't know if, Jason, you remember, it was heartbreaking when. And I remember my dad coming to me and telling me that Evel Knievel had been put in jail because he had, like, beat up his manager with a baseball bat or something. And so suddenly.

[Jason DeFilippo]

I don't remember that one. I don't remember, like, anybody telling me that. I mean, I do remember it from the Being Evil documentary. Which I highly recommend. 2015 documentary, Fantastic. Gives you the whole run of Evil Knievel's life. And you can't go wrong with that. That. Yeah, but I, yeah, I, I just remember sitting there on Saturday mornings watching him on the Wide World of Sports.

[Dave Bittner]

Right.

[Jason DeFilippo]

And that was it, you know, it was just so great.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah.

[Jason DeFilippo]

And, yeah, it was just like an hour of waiting for him to come on. Let's go. Jump, jump, jump. Right. And I'm sitting there cranking.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

The buses are moving into position. Right. Yeah.

[Jason DeFilippo]

And I'm sitting there with my stunt cycle, just revving it around the room like, can we go? Let's go.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah.

[Jason DeFilippo]

You know.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah. Dandy. Don Meredith here with Evel Knievel and you know. Well, Evil. What do you think? Well, I think I'll make it, Don. Well, let's see. And we just were glued to the set.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Yeah, I put some links in the show notes, too. They're still making the stunt cycles. There's a company that took over the mantle and have a couple different versions of the stunt cycle that you can get, and they're in stock.

[Dave Bittner]

So there was the stunt cycle. There was the chopper version of the stunt cycle.

[Jason DeFilippo]

I hated that one. It would always just wheelie out of the gate and it would never work. Right. He had to tape it like weights to the front.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah, no, it wasn't good. There was the dragster that had, the cool thing about the dragster was it had a parachute. And then there was the, what was it like, the Evel Knievel action van, something like that. It was basically an RV with his stuff on it.

[Jason DeFilippo]

That's when he got canceled with all the kids in the back.

[Dave Bittner]

I think you could park the, park the motorcycle inside or put it on the roof or something like that.

[Jason DeFilippo]

But didn't say free candy on the side, but it was free, of course. Right, right, exactly.

[Dave Bittner]

If you shook it, cocaine would fall out. Yeah. All right. Well, it was a fun trip down memory lane. I will not be with you gentlemen next week. I'm going to be at the RSA convention in San Francisco, which that time again. It is that time of year and it's always fun to be there, but it's not fun getting there. The six hour flight is a lot.

[Jason DeFilippo]

And the older and gross, especially nowadays.

[Dave Bittner]

Right. Well, that's the thing. I, I, Everybody's been telling me I got to get to the airport super early because of all the, the TSA folks who've been sick because of their, not because of not being paid. So, because paychecks Yeah, I can understand they're sick out, you know, but so we'll see. Hopefully smooth travels and I'll have, I'll have a time in San Francisco.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

All right, we'll see. Have a great time.

[Dave Bittner]

See you guys in a couple weeks.

[Jason DeFilippo]

All right. Use the AI that tells you where all the man poo is so you can avoid it.

[Dave Bittner]

Oh, well, you know what, actually before we go, there is a new. What do they call it, like a company store at Lucasfilm in San Francisco.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Oh, okay. I know where you're going to report, right?

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah, I already looked it up. It's like a four mile Uber from where I'm staying. So hopefully I'll have. Have an hour or something.

[Jason DeFilippo]

I know.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Do or do not. There is no try.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Exactly.

[Dave Bittner]

I am so hopelessly over scheduled for this trip, but I will. All right. All right. Goals.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

You can cancel something. Something's true.

[Dave Bittner]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

There you go. Tsa.

[Dave Bittner]

Sick out, right? All right, see you guys.

[Jason DeFilippo]

All right, Dave, have a great trip. Closing shout out over at Patreon, we've got two new subscribers, Miriana and Echos. Thank you very much and we'd also like to thank Heather, Jeff, Francesco, Amanda, Philip, Sylvia, Chris, FA and Ross and Rafal. So thank you all very much for your continued support and new support on Patron.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Thank you.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Thank you, Patreon. Whatever.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Patreon. Whatever.

[Jason DeFilippo]

The money, the money thing.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

The money thing. The other money thing. PayPal. We got a donation from Tom and Dennis sent us 25. Thank you both so much. We really appreciate, appreciate it.

[Jason DeFilippo]

Thank you so much. Over the tip jar we've got Sean and Theodore. So if you would like to jump on the bandwagon and keep the show on the air. And we need you to keep the show on the air. Go to gog show, donate where the links will be to every which way you can get to us and give us your hard earned money little bits at a time. And if you want to go to patreon.com gog for as little as $3 a month, you can get the show early ad free and in high definition. And Patron Patreon is the only way that we can do you those perks. So that's why we push Patreon. And to answer the age old question, we get paid the exact same amount no matter how you'd like to give us your money. So it doesn't matter to us one bit whatsoever.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Exactly. And just before we started recording, we got some sad news. Rest in peace, Chuck Norris. I know, I saw on the news yesterday that he was rushed to hospital. And when you combine in your 80s and rush to hospital, that rarely is a good outcome. So unfortunately, that seems to be the case. We don't know too much about it. The family is, you know, to the typical request for privacy at this time. But that just, that just means TMZ will report something tomorrow because that's the way it works.

[Jason DeFilippo]

That's the way it works. That's a bummer. That's a bummer. I'm surprised Will Shatner actually outlived him. I didn't think that was going to be the case.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

I think Shatner's going to outlive everyone. It's Shatner versus Sulu at this point.

[Jason DeFilippo]

I was listening to the TV in the background the other day and I just heard it's Will Shat coming to you. And I'm like, you're actually going by Will Shat now?

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Why not? God, when you're in your 90s, you're hoping you sha. Who gives?

[Jason DeFilippo]

You who gives a shot. Yeah, that too.

[Brian Schoellmeister]

Until next time, I'm Brian schillmeister.

[Jason DeFilippo]

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