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Summary

Podcast Summary: Guru: Don't Cross Kat - Episode 2: Searching for Desiree

Guru: Don't Cross Kat is a gripping podcast series from Wondery that delves into the enigmatic world of Kat Torres, a charismatic influencer whose seemingly perfect life masks dark and dangerous secrets. In Season 2, Episode 2, titled Searching for Desiree, host Chico Felitti unpacks the intense journey of Patty as she endeavors to locate her missing friend, Desiree, who has fallen under Kat's influence.

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1. Introduction to Patty's Quest

The episode opens with Patty, a dedicated friend, desperately searching for her best friend Desiree, who vanished three months prior. Desiree had abruptly severed ties with family and friends to live with Kat Torres, a renowned supermodel and life coach. Patty’s relentless search consumes her daily life, leading to sleepless nights and growing concern among her loved ones.

Patty (00:40): "So I was not sleeping because I was, like, searching for her, and then I had to work."

2. Joining the "Friends of Desiree" Group

In her quest, Patty joins a WhatsApp group named Friends of Desiree, hoping to collaborate with others who share her concern. Among the group members is Lau, whose real identity remains concealed for safety reasons. The group, comprising both close friends and acquaintances, begins to piece together Desiree's whereabouts.

Patty (02:25): "I felt a connection with them, this love for a friend that everybody was trying to do something."

3. Uncovering Kat Torres' Online Persona

As the search intensifies, Patty and her allies scrutinize Kat Torres' extensive social media presence. They stumble upon one of Kat’s peculiar rituals known as the "alien bath," which initially appears harmless but takes a sinister turn when Kat introduces razor blades into the mix.

Patty (06:31): "You had that one where she is doing this kind of a bath..."

Chico Felitti (07:11): "She put in some rubber toys, a bag of Gumby bears, bath bombs, plastic packaging, and all gold tinsel. It all seemed pretty harmless until Kat added razor blades to the bath."

The followers’ blind adoration for Kat raises alarms among the searchers, highlighting the depth of her influence.

4. Escalation and Public Outcry

Realizing the need to expose Kat, Patty and her group create an Instagram account, searchingdesire, to publicly seek information about Desiree. Their efforts quickly gain traction, attracting tens of thousands of followers and prompting Kat to retaliate by blocking them. The situation escalates when another missing Brazilian girl, Leticia, is identified as Kat’s follower, deepening the mystery.

Chico Felitti (09:08): "They created a public Instagram account and uploaded a photo of Desiree."

5. The Hostage Video and Increasing Threats

After six months of searching, Patty receives a chilling video from Desiree, who appears emaciated and distressed, pleading Patty to stop the search. This footage suggests Desiree might be coerced into cooperating, raising fears of Kat’s malevolent control.

Patty (15:30): "She was so skinny, talking to the camera like she was reading something that's so aggressive, like, stop looking for me. You are all demons."

Subsequently, Kat sends Patty a threatening message, warning her to halt the investigation or face dire consequences. This act of intimidation leads to members of the search group withdrawing out of fear.

Chico Felitti (18:08): "Stop chasing this girl. Stop making people want to commit suicide because they can't stand that their family and supposed friends are stalking them."

6. Personal Attacks and Unveiling Deeper Intrigues

Kat’s retaliation goes beyond digital harassment. While Patty is on vacation in Brazil, Kat leaks her personal information online, including her children’s photos and details, and falsely accuses her of exploiting them. This devious move not only endangers Patty’s safety but also points to Desiree’s potential complicity or coercion.

Patty (22:20): "My address in Vancouver, my phone number, my name, my kids' names, my kids' pictures."

The discovery of Desiree's photos on an escort website underlines the possibility that she is being forced into illegal activities, further solidifying the need to dismantle Kat’s influence.

Patty (24:55): "Why would she let her live in Germany to do something illegal? What's the goal?"

7. Patty Takes a Stand

Faced with escalating threats and personal attacks, Patty decides to take a more prominent role in the search, becoming the face of the investigation despite the risks. Her determination intensifies upon recognizing Leticia in the escort site photos, confirming that multiple women are ensnared in Kat’s web.

Patty (20:07): "I decided to be the face."

8. Conclusion and Ongoing Struggle

The episode concludes with Patty grappling with the realization that Kat Torres is a formidable antagonist capable of orchestrating severe reprisals against those who oppose her. As Patty delves deeper, the stakes escalate, underscoring the perilous nature of challenging a powerful influencer with dark intentions.

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Key Takeaways:

• Influence and Control: Kat Torres' ability to manipulate and control her followers highlights the potent mix of charisma and psychological influence in the digital age.

• Community and Isolation: While the search group provides support, Kat’s tactics effectively isolate Patty and others, demonstrating the challenges of combating powerful adversaries.

• Personal Sacrifice: Patty’s journey underscores the personal costs of seeking truth and justice, balancing her quest with familial responsibilities.

Notable Quotes:

• Patty on Isolation:

  "Maybe you should live your life and not spend too much time seeing search for someone that don't want to talk to you."
  (01:14)

• Lau on Group Realization:

  "That's when we started to realize that Kat had many, many, many loyal followers."
  (07:53)

• Patty on Personal Threats:

  "If you don't stop, maybe she going to kill her."
  (18:50)

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Guru: Don't Cross Kat continues to unravel the complexities of modern-day influence and the dark underbelly of seemingly perfect lives. Episode 2, Searching for Desiree, paints a vivid picture of the lengths to which individuals will go to protect and find their loved ones, even when faced with formidable opposition.

To dive deeper into Patty's harrowing journey and uncover the truths behind Kat Torres' facade, listen to the full episode on the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.

Transcript

[Chico Felitti]

Wondery subscribers can binge all episodes of Don't Cross Cat early and ad free. Join Wondery in the Wondery app, Apple podcasts, or Spotify. Hey, Chico here. Just wanted to let you know that this episode has a short mention of self harm. Please take care while listening. It was the middle of the night. Patty's face glowed in the light of her phone. She was still awake and still scrolling through Instagram.

[Patty]

So I was not sleeping because I was, like, searching for her, and then I had to work.

[Chico Felitti]

It was now more than three months since her best friend Desiree had ghosted all her family and friends and moved in with her supermodel life coach, Kat Turris. And every day, Patty spent hours searching through social media for any clues to their whereabouts. Her friends had begun to notice the effect it was having on her.

[Patty]

The people around me, they are a little bit like, maybe she just don't want to talk to you.

[Chico Felitti]

And Patty was beginning to wonder if maybe they were right.

[Patty]

Maybe you should live your life and not spend too much time seeing search for someone that don't want to talk to you.

[Chico Felitti]

But then she got a message on WhatsApp. It was an invite to a group chat called Friends of Desiree.

[Patty]

There was a lot of people in the group, and they are trying to find her to help her.

[Chico Felitti]

One of the people in the group chat was Lau. She had met Tessire a few years before at an English language school.

[Patty]

There was so much going through my mind. All I could do was worry, you know, I kept thinking, am I going crazy?

[Chico Felitti]

Lau, by the way, is not her real name. Her words are spoken by an actor because she and other members of the group still fear retaliation. And there were other members of the group who didn't even know Desiree, like Lau's friend Mada.

[Lau]

She said, you know, one of my friends disappeared, and I'm really worried. So I told her, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. Let me see what we can do about finding her.

[Chico Felitti]

Her words are also spoken by an actor, by the way. Patty felt relieved to join the group.

[Patty]

I felt a connection with them, this love for a friend that everybody was trying to do something. People were talking about good times they had with Desiree. We could see that we were looking for someone that deserved everything. Everything the friends were doing for her, she deserved that.

[Chico Felitti]

But it also made one thing very clear. Patty wasn't the only one who had been ghosted. Desiree had cut everyone who loved her out of her life.

[Patty]

Okay, so something is wrong. Really wrong.

[Chico Felitti]

Betty was sure if she could just talk to Desiree, reason with her, maybe she could find a way to break Cat's spell. But to do that, she had to find her first.

[Jesse Weber]

When Luigi Mangione was arrested for allegedly shooting the CEO of United Healthcare, he didn't just spark outrage, he ignited a cultural firestorm. Is the system working? Or is it time for a reckoning? I'm Jesse Weber. Listen to Law and Crime's Luigi. Exclusively on Wondery.

[Chico Felitti]

When a young woman named Desiree vanishes without a trace, the trail leads to Kat Taurus, a charismatic influencer with millions of followers. But behind the glamorous posts and inspirational quotes, a sinister truth unravels. Binge all episodes of Don't Cross Cat early and ad free on Wondery from Wondery. I'm Chico Felitti, and this is Don't Cross cat Episode Episode 2, Searching for Desiree. Even in a very online world, it's surprising how hard it is to find someone if this person doesn't want to be found. Desiree had been silent for over three months. Now all the searchers really knew was that Desiree and her life coach, Cat, were living together somewhere in Texas. But they had no real idea where to even begin to track them down. At first, they thought they could just outsource it all to a detective. But they quickly realized none of them had that kind of money. So they came up with another plan.

[Lau]

That's when we started playing detectives ourselves.

[Chico Felitti]

Each of the women had turned their homes into makeshift investigation headquarters. Lau and Mada in Brazil and Patty in Canada. They covered the walls in printouts of everything they knew about the case. And they kept a close watch on Kat's social media, trying to find new clues. Kat did lots of live streams, promising her followers that if they listened to her, she would show them the truth and free them from turmoils. Sometimes she mentioned the witches that worked for her. Thank God my girls are trained. They're super happy and are doing so well, Kat said. But it was tough to find out anything specific about Tessiwe. And there were so many videos of Cat to go through. Like a true influencer, she posted a lot. Patty would join other searchers on video calls to talk about clues.

[Patty]

Everybody was so involved. No one was sleeping. We're talking 24 hours a day.

[Lau]

Hey, are you awake yet? Are you watching the live stream? You should record it, please. Quick.

[Chico Felitti]

As Patty and the others scrolled through Kat's old content, they began to find videos that were a little strange.

[Patty]

You had that one where she is doing this kind of a bath, A.

[Chico Felitti]

Special ritual which Kat called an alien bath. Kat stood in front of the tub wearing a see through black blouse. One of her assistant witches sat behind her drinking wine.

[Patty]

It's for the energy of beauty, but she's just throwing in the bath, like things and plastic or glitters.

[Chico Felitti]

She put in some rubber toys, a bag of Gumby bears, bath bombs, plastic packaging, and all gold tinsel. It all seemed pretty harmless until Kat added razor blades to the bath. Kat said the blades couldn't hurt because she was an alien. As weird as this alien bath ritual was, Kat's followers on social media seemed to be into it.

[Patty]

People was there, oh, my gosh, I want to do that. And you had the people that believed that was a real thing.

[Lau]

That's when we started to realize that Kat had many, many, many loyal followers. I'm talking the kind of followers who idolize her completely.

[Chico Felitti]

Followers would write comments praising Kat for her psychic abilities and her beautiful life. She's so strong, they would say she's a phoenix reborn from the ashes. Lau's friend Mada didn't know Desiree directly, but as she watched all of this unfold, it began to dawn on her what was happening.

[Lau]

Wait, it sounds like your friend is in a coat.

[Chico Felitti]

It wasn't just Kat's followers who believed in her powers. It also began to affect the searchers. Some of them got scared of Kat's abilities. One of them even feared that Kat could put a curse on her. Patty Lau and Mada realized that if even some of the searchers started believing in Kat's powers, then there were so many other young women out there who could easily fall for her. They had to do more to warn people about Kat. They had to go public.

[Lau]

We created an Instagram profile, and we called it searchingdesire.

[Chico Felitti]

They created a public Instagram account and uploaded a photo of Desiree.

[Patty]

We wrote that we thought Desiree might be in a cult led by a fake guru in the US and we asked if anyone had any information about.

[Lau]

Her to share with us.

[Chico Felitti]

Searchers used this new profile to flood Kat's Instagram with comments. Where's Desiree? What have you done to her friend? Mostly, Kat just blocked them. But soon word began to spread about their efforts.

[Lau]

One day it was, I don't know, like 60 people following us on Instagram. The next day, it was 41,000, I think, for sure, more than 30,000 in a day.

[Chico Felitti]

Every time Cat posted a new video, the group sifted through it, looking for clues.

[Patty]

We will see Kat and a restaurant. We Will look where that restaurant. Where exactly it is.

[Chico Felitti]

Patty Lau and Mada kept a giant Google Doc of every clue the group found. And little by little, they began to piece together a location. All the evidence seemed to point to somewhere in the middle of the state, near Austin. It was something, but still not enough. By now though, the group was consuming Patty's life. She'd found a new job as a teacher, but her mind was often with Desiree.

[Patty]

Every night I would wake up with her voice in my mind and was like she was telling me something.

[Chico Felitti]

Even when she was asleep, she couldn't shake the mystery. It still tormented her.

[Patty]

Maybe because I was asking so much to the universe to help me to find her. Just to find if she was okay.

[Chico Felitti]

And then one day, a message popped up in the Searching for Desiree Instagram account. It was from a middle aged couple from the small town of Perdois in southeastern Brazil. They said they had a 21 year old daughter. Her name was Leticia. She had been a follower of Cat and like Desiree, she had gone to live with her in the US they.

[Lau]

Had been searching for their daughter for a long time.

[Chico Felitti]

It had been about five months since they last heard from her and we.

[Lau]

Could tell they were desperate.

[Chico Felitti]

Now it was clear to the searchers this wasn't just about Desiree anymore. There were other women missing too. Everyone has that friend who seems kind of perfect for Paddy. That friend was desir. Until one day I texted her and.

[Patty]

She was not getting the text. So I went to Instagram. She has no Instagram anymore. And Facebook. No Facebook anymore.

[Chico Felitti]

Desiree was gone. And there was one person who knew the answer.

[Patty]

I am a spiritual person, a magical person, a witch.

[Chico Felitti]

A gorgeous Brazilian influencer called Kat Torres. But who was hiding a secret from Wondery. Based on my smash hit podcast from Brazil comes a new series, Don't Cross Cat, about a search that led me to a mystery in a Texas suburb. I'm calling to check on the two missing Brazilian girls. Maybe get some undercover crew there. The family are freaking out.

[Patty]

They are lost.

[Chico Felitti]

I'm Chico Felitti. You can listen to Don't Cross Cat on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Chico Felitti]

The searchers struggled to process the fact there was another young woman missing. Leticia had only been 14 when she first started to follow Kat's teachings. This really, really hit Patty. One of her own children was about the same age. She couldn't stop thinking about Leticia's mom.

[Patty]

You could just imagine how she was right and the way that she was living this whole thing with her daughter.

[Chico Felitti]

Leticia's family told them they had been urging the police to take action, but progress was slow. Patty and the others kept up the search, but it wasn't till Desiree had been gone for six months that they finally got something to go on. At first, it was just another notification on Patty's phone, one of the many she got every single day. She tapped on it and froze when she saw the face on the video. She took a breath and hit play. There on her screen was Desiree. Stop looking for me. Stop asking about my whereabouts. If I blocked you, it's for a reason, she said.

[Patty]

She was so skinny, talking to the camera like she was reading something that's so aggressive, like, stop looking for me. You are all demons. I don't want to talk to you anymore.

[Chico Felitti]

This is absurd. I'm outraged. Desiree says at first, Patty was just relieved to hear from her she was alive.

[Patty]

That was a big win for us.

[Chico Felitti]

But the Dassire Patty saw in the video wasn't the one she remembered.

[Patty]

It was so weird, and everyone agreed she didn't look great. She was very pale, and it seemed like the whole thing was rehearsed.

[Chico Felitti]

The searchers watched the video again and again.

[Patty]

It's like the person you knew, she's not there anymore. She's another person. The look on her eyes was really a look of someone lost. Someone is not there anymore.

[Chico Felitti]

To the searchers, it looked like a hostage video. It didn't seem like her. Had Desiree been forced into filming it?

[Patty]

That's the Moment that I think people really got scared.

[Chico Felitti]

The searchers began to cycle through all the worst case scenarios.

[Patty]

Could it be something much bigger?

[Lau]

We didn't know if Kat was involved with the Russian mafia or she was connected to people who did human trafficking.

[Chico Felitti]

We just didn't know they were spiraling.

[Patty]

She lives in Texas. It's really close to Mexico. So you're like, oh, maybe the cartel.

[Chico Felitti]

Took this area, as in the drug cartels. Even though Austin is nowhere near the Mexican border, and Kat had no connections whatsoever with the cartels.

[Patty]

If it's the cartel, if she's with a big organization, maybe they will come for us too.

[Chico Felitti]

Now Patty was really scared, not only about what might happen to her and her friends if they get pokey, but about Desiree's safety.

[Patty]

Maybe that video is from months ago. Maybe she's not alive anymore.

[Chico Felitti]

Hours after Desiree reappeared in that video, another message came through.

[Patty]

We received a text from Kat.

[Chico Felitti]

It said, stop chasing this girl. Stop making people want to commit suicide because they can't stand that their family and supposed friends are stalking them. Kat ended the text message by writing, this human being just wants to live and be happy. This got Patty's mind racing even more.

[Patty]

Oh, why? She's talking about suicide.

[Chico Felitti]

The line about suicide spooked Patty. Up to now, she had thought Kat was just a scammer. But what if she was actually capable of harming Desiree and the others?

[Patty]

If you don't stop, maybe she going to kill her.

[Chico Felitti]

Then, as fears swirled around the group, people started to drop out.

[Patty]

They would text me and they would be, oh, I'm sorry, but I have to stop. I'm too scared, and I don't want to be in danger.

[Chico Felitti]

Patty got more and more worried as the group dwindled. This was a crucial moment. Desiree was in danger. Someone needed to talk to the media. Someone needed to reach out to the authorities. Someone needed to give their contact details out to new witnesses.

[Patty]

Everybody start being scared. So no one wanted to be the face of the search and be the person talking to other people.

[Chico Felitti]

And Patty was scared, too. She had a new job. She had her family to take care of.

[Patty]

I also share my life on social media, right? So I was like, oh, it's so easy for someone to find me where I am with my kids and everything.

[Chico Felitti]

But even in moments of doubt, Patty remembered Desiree. She wanted her friend back. Someone needed to step forward. So she made a decision.

[Patty]

I decided to be the face.

[Chico Felitti]

But being the face of the search meant also becoming a target, even for someone Who Patty thought would never betray her.

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[Chico Felitti]

About a month after the hostage video, Patty was sunbathing on the beach. She had booked a vacation to visit her family in Brazil. It was her once a year trip to recharge and this year she needed it more than ever. But it wouldn't last long.

[Patty]

I got in the hotel, I opened my phone. I had this crazy amount of people texting me. People try to call me or people send me a screenshot.

[Chico Felitti]

She went online and checked Kat's profile. And there it was.

[Patty]

My address in Vancouver, my phone number, my name, my kids names, my kids pictures.

[Chico Felitti]

Kat had released Patty's private personal information for anyone to see all of it. But that wasn't even the worst part.

[Patty]

And she was saying that I forced my kids to have sex with men for money.

[Chico Felitti]

To be falsely accused of such harmful things. And with real pictures of her children and with their names, addresses and phone numbers, it was unimaginable.

[Patty]

Just crazy things that became something really challenging because I had to deal with my own feelings as a mom because she was sharing my kids pictures. So was really like hell because I didn't know how to deal with that. It was hell.

[Chico Felitti]

And there was something else eating at Patty. Where did Kat get her information from? Kat didn't know her address. She didn't have access to photos of her kids or even their names. There was only one person who could possibly have shared that with her. Patty's own friend, Desiree. She had to be behind this.

[Patty]

Why she doing that? Why? Why did she let Kat send me.

[Chico Felitti]

This text after everything she had done to help Desiree? This was a thanks she got.

[Patty]

Maybe she don't even deserve what I'm doing for her.

[Chico Felitti]

Here's the thing. Patty Was convinced that there was another reason Kat had done this. It was because of something that had happened in the weeks before. Something that made Patty more sure that Desiree was in danger.

[Patty]

Someone found this page.

[Chico Felitti]

It was a website called Eros, as in the Greek God of desire.

[Patty]

Like, oh my God.

[Chico Felitti]

On one page were photos of a semi naked woman and a list of services. Dancer slash escort offering, fetish and fantasy. It was Desiree.

[Patty]

It was kind of sad to see my friend and those pictures under fake names. And the question was, do someone force her? Or she's doing that, right? But why would she do that?

[Chico Felitti]

Look, all kinds of people with different personalities get into sex work, right? But to Patty, Desiree was one of the most romantic people she knew. She wasn't into casual relationships. Her friend, the Desiree Patty knew, wouldn't go on an escort website on her own.

[Patty]

Why would she let her life in Germany to do something illegal? What's the goal? So, yeah, someone is forcing her.

[Chico Felitti]

Patty knew she had to warn the world about what Cat was doing to her friend. So not long after the Searching for Desiree, Instagram page had a new post. It said Kat was using the vulnerability of Brazilian women to lure them into prostitution. Days after that post, Kat published the photos of Patty's kids. So yeah, Patty knew what Kat had done had completely crossed the line. But it showed Patty that Kat was desperate. She was willing to do anything to stop the search. Which made Patty even more convinced she was getting closer. And even if Desiree had given her kids details to Kat, Patty was still determined to find her. There was one other photo on the escort site that caught Patty's attention. A woman with the name Star. Patty knew the face instantly. It was Leticia, the other missing girl whose mother had asked for help. There was no way Patty was going to drop the search now follow Don't Cross Cat on the Wondery app, Amazon Music, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes early and ad free right now by joining Wondery in the Wondery app or Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short [e-mail] survey if you have a tip about a story you think we should investigate, please write to us at wondry.com/tips from Wondery. This is episode two of six of Don't Cross Cat. Don't Cross Cat is hosted and reported by me, Chico Felitti. Producer is Andres Caballero. Senior producer is Fernanda Echafari. Associate producers are Giovanna Romano Sanchez and Otavi Bonfa. Additional production assistance by Beatriz Trevisa. Fact checking by Zoe Sullivan. Voice acting by Renata Salda and Carolini Cota de Mello Fragrance Theme song by Mariana Romano. Sound design by Stephanie Lebeau and Jacob Rossati. Additional mixing by Julia Caruso and J.J. carubin. Sound Supervisor is Marcelino Vialpondo. Managing producer is Heather Baloga. Development producer is Olivia Weber. Senior development editor is Rachel B. Doyle. Production services by Futuru Studios Executive producers for Futuru Studios are Marlon Bishop and Maria Garcia. Executive producers for Wondering are Russell Finch, George Lavender, Marshall Louis and Jen Sargent.

[Jesse Weber]

In the early hours of December 4, 2024, CEO Brian Thompson stepped out onto the streets of midtown Manhattan.

[Patty]

This assailant pulls out a weapon and.

[Chico Felitti]

Starts firing at him.

[Jesse Weber]

We're talking about this CEO of the biggest private health insurance corporation in the world. And the suspect he has been identified.

[Chico Felitti]

As Luigi Nicholas Mangione became one of.

[Jesse Weber]

The most divisive figures in modern criminal history.

[Chico Felitti]

I was targeted, premeditated.

[Patty]

Admit to sow terror.

[Jesse Weber]

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[Chico Felitti]

He's awoken the people to a true issue.

[Patty]

Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our healthcare system.

[Jesse Weber]

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