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Dave
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Rick Howard
The word is log4J vulnerability spelled L for ledger, O for Observation, G for Gigantic, 4 for the number 4 and J for Java, an open source Java based software tool available from the Apache Software foundation designed to log, security and performance information. Example sentence log 4J is code written in the Java computer language and created by volunteers within the Apache Software foundation to run across a handful of operating systems, Apple's Mac os, Windows and Linux. Origin and context the Apache Software foundation released the general availability of the log 4J module version 1 in July of 2014. The next year the Apache Logging Services Project management committee announced log 4J2 as a replacement. Fast forward to 24 November 2021. Six years later, Alibaba's cloud security teams. Chen Xiaojin disclosed to the Apache Software Foundation a vulnerability in the module. On 9 December, Apache announced exploitation in the wild of the log 4J vulnerability and named it log4shell. By the next day, 10 December NIST classified the vulnerability as a critical issue in its national vulnerability database. The reason for the severity is the ubiquity of the log 4J code module and the simplicity of the log 4 shell exploitation code. Its ubiquity stems from the fact that the code from the Apache Open Source Cross Platform Web Server is the most popular web server software on the planet. If you're running web services somewhere, there's a good chance that you're running Apache. The simplicity results because any unauthenticated user of the log4j service can send a 12 character code segment and take control of the server. Yikes. Log4shell leverages the third highest software vulnerability type from the OWASP top 10, a reference document describing the most critical security concerns for web applications, in this case injection. In other words, the unpatched log 4J module doesn't isolate its code from its data. It interprets log messages data as instructions code. When hackers send a URL to the module, the service grabs the URL, fetches the data located there, and runs the executable payload with the full privileges of the log4j main program. According to Microsoft's John Douglas, as of 4 November 2021, the percentage of public software repositories that use open source software is north of 80%. He says that what that means is that thousands of strangers can effectively contribute directly to your production code. Your product through your software supply chain is affected by unpatched vulnerabilities, innocent mistakes and and even malicious attacks against dependencies. End quote. Most security professionals have no idea what code libraries our organizations are using directly, and absolutely no clue about what code libraries the original open source developers nested within. One temporary mitigation measure is egress filtering, blocking log 4J traffic from exiting the network until you can install a more permanent fix. The more permanent fix is to upgrade the bad software module with a patch or replace it with something else when log 4J type problems emerge, though, 80% of the mitigation work is just finding all the running instances. One solution to that problem is the incorporation of a software bill of Materials, or SBoM, a formal record containing the details and supply chain relationships of various components used in building software. The concept has been bouncing around the industry for at least a decade, but has gained little traction until now. With the 2021 supply chain attacks against SolarWinds, Accelion and others, there seems to be movement to make S BOMs a best practice. US President Biden's 2021 executive order on Cybersecurity mandates that all federal civilian executive branch agencies and key players will deploy a minimum S bomb program by the spring of 2022. For the rest of us, the concept is most likely at least five years away from reality. Today, discovery of these kinds of injection vulnerabilities and other OWASP categories come from independent researchers like Chen Xiaojin and from software scanning tools in the software composition analysis space. It's worth noting here that the log 4J module is over 7 years old and neither group found this problem until now. It's also worth noting that the log 4J module vulnerability is probably just the tip of the iceberg. With 80% of public software repositories containing open source software, you know, white hat, black hat and gray hat researchers will be rigorously mining that ground to find more problems in the near future. Nerd reference on 20 December 2021, just before the holiday break, Eamon Javers from CNBC interviewed Jen Easterly, the US Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Director, about the impact of log 4J.
Dave
So the log 4J vulnerability became public just about a week ago. What do you guys know now that we didn't know last week?
Jen Easterly
Yeah, so first off, I should say that the log 4J vulnerability is the most serious vulnerability that I have seen in my decades long career. Yeah, and three reasons why Ubiquity, simplicity and complexity. So it is a piece of software, open source, that's in millions of devices from video games to hospital equipment to industrial control systems to cloud services. It is trivial to exploit as a vulnerability. Essentially 12 characters and a remote unauthenticated attacker can take over a system, can use it for stealing data, can use it for ransomware attacks, all manner of malicious activity and and it takes a very focused effort to be able to find and to fix the vulnerability because it's open source, so it is an all manner of vendor products.
Rick Howard
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Dave
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Title: Log4j Vulnerability (noun) [Word Notes]
Host/Author: N2K Networks
Release Date: May 13, 2025
Description: Deception, influence, and social engineering in the world of cybercrime.
The episode delves into the critical Log4j vulnerability, a significant threat in the cybersecurity landscape. Rick Howard initiates the discussion by clarifying the technical aspects and historical context of Log4j.
Rick Howard [02:18]: "The word is log4J vulnerability spelled L for ledger, O for Observation, G for Gigantic, 4 for the number 4 and J for Java, an open source Java-based software tool available from the Apache Software Foundation designed to log, security, and performance information."
Key Points:
Log4j's ubiquity makes it a prime target for attackers. Rick Howard explains how the vulnerability can be exploited and its implications.
Rick Howard [02:18]: "Its ubiquity stems from the fact that the code from the Apache Open Source Cross Platform Web Server is the most popular web server software on the planet."
Key Points:
The episode explores the industry's response to the Log4j vulnerability and the strategies employed to mitigate its impact.
Rick Howard [02:18]: "One temporary mitigation measure is egress filtering, blocking log4J traffic from exiting the network until you can install a more permanent fix."
Key Points:
Jen Easterly, US Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Director, provides her expert perspective on the Log4j vulnerability's significance.
Jen Easterly [08:16]: "The log4J vulnerability is the most serious vulnerability that I have seen in my decades-long career."
Key Points:
The episode concludes by highlighting the ongoing challenges and the necessity for proactive measures in cybersecurity.
Jen Easterly [08:16]: "It takes a very focused effort to be able to find and to fix the vulnerability because it's open source, so it is an all manner of vendor products."
Key Points:
Rick Howard:
Jen Easterly:
This episode of Hacking Humans provides an in-depth analysis of the Log4j vulnerability, its implications, and the broader context of cybersecurity challenges posed by widespread open-source software usage. It underscores the critical need for enhanced security practices and proactive measures to defend against evolving cyber threats.