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Happy New Year, Hackeroos! While the guys are taking a well-earned break with family, we’re bringing you a great conversation from our friend Kara Swisher’s podcast, On with Kara Swisher.

Kara is joined by Beth Macy, a veteran newspaper reporter and author who has spent decades covering rural America, and Jacob Silverman, an investigative journalist focused on tech power and corruption. Together, they explore how two seemingly opposite forces—Silicon Valley billionaires and the rural poor—have converged under the MAGA umbrella, the role social media plays in fueling grievance and distrust, and what it would take to bridge America’s widening political divide.

New episodes of On with Kara Swisher drop every Monday and Thursday. You can listen to the show in your favorite podcast app or watch on YouTube at youtube.com/@onwithkaraswisher.

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